Was this a good twist?
what twist?
I'm not good at sudoku. I'm glad someone was helping me.
>>339951093
You were a loli all along
>>339951336
Boring.
>>339950878
One of the best in games
>You were brought here to save my sister
>>339951093Long story short, the events of the top screen are a recreation of what happened to another character 9 years prior. The narration on the bottom screen was her watching what the MC was doing through a telepathic link. The last puzzle is the guy from the future solving a puzzle so the girl in the past doesn't die.
>>339950878
wut game tho
>>339951829
Danganronpa
>>339951730
And is there a point to it or is there just to try and be deep
>You were a random nobody all along
>It's deep because it's meta.
>>339951886
The writer just likes to force time travel related bullshit into everything he does
>>339952075
Oh its his fetish, well I can understand that I guess.
>>339951886
>implying the ending was trying to be "deep"
You sound like an underaged retard. Sure is summer in here.
>>339952132
I didnt imply anything I was just asking, stop being a defensive little bitch.
No. It was retarded.
Pic related, now that's how you do a fucking twist.
Don't post that as the OP image, c'mon man. Not with the new game coming out soon and all.
i liked it better the first five times the hack fraud used it
>>339952206
>hurr I can't imply something if I'm asking a question
How are you enjoying your break from public school?
>>339952320
Now you are making no sense, how nice to be a stupid fanboy.
>>339951730
That sounds really stupid.
>>339951858
999, got it. Gonna try it out.
>>339950878
This was a dick move OP, I'm betting people are playing it for the first time in preparation for ZTD
But fuck yeah the twist was pretty baller>the slow creep-up of supernatural shit in the game before you realized the game is scifi
>the puzzles slowly letting on that shit is kooky in the nonary game
>finally get to the true ending and no one who isn't a piece of shit has to die
10/10 would play 2 sequels
It was okay but getting there isn't worth it.
>get 2 specific endings out of 6 endings to unlock the one, true ending
How about you learn how to design a game?
>>339952252
>Implying that wasn't just them trying to copy the previous game and doing it worse in every way
>>339950878
>time myself to see if I could complete the seppuku puzzle in the time Akane had to do it
>go over by two whole minutes
wanted to commit suduko so fukcing bad, I'm sorry June
>>339952734
>implying it's any way at all like the previous game
>implying it's any way at all like any previous game
>>339952656
You can fast forward through any text you have already seen. Replaying it is the easiest shit.
>>339952656
they're just routes in a non-linear narrative
if you think of the "one, true ending" as the game's only real ending, then it's the same as any other game
you don't stop in an RPG when you reach the end of a quest, and yet that quest has a beginning and an end
>>339952656
Although I agree it's a bit of a slog with the unskippable dialogue, it's also essential to the message and magic of the game. It's designed fine.
![latest[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/vuxuufM.png "latest[2].png")
>>339950878
>JUNPEI IS BACK FOR ZTD BAEBY WEW
>He's a emo sasuke cunt instead of witty smartmouth junpei from 999
>Sigma still witty smartmouth he was in VLR
>Carlos will probably cuck Akane away from Junpei in the True Ending
why does he get it so fucking hard bros?
>>339952656
every ending is canon though, you're not really getting the full story unless you get everyone, so even the bad endings can be considered necessary for completetion
>>339952656
>can't get a third of the base endings to unlock the true end
How about you learn how to git gud? Raging casuals like you are killing vidya.
>Implying this wasn't the best twist
![2589913078807p[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IzTBY9Y.jpg "2589913078807p[1].jpg")
>>339953128
>laptop can't handle a puzzle game with bad 3d animations
is this your laptop my good sir?
>>339950878
Stop starting ZE threads with shit OPs faggot.
>>339952854
>guy you thought was good was evil and the guy you thought was evil was good
>>339952778
Felt kind of weird that solving the puzzle wasnt timed
>>339953314
More like
>The narrator is replaced by a lying bitch halfway through the intro
Name one other game which does that.
causal loops can't actually happen
>>339953190
I never realized this was homage to 999
>>339953442
Fucking casuals, can't even loop
>>339951730I don't really get the ending. Basically Akane actually survived 9 years earlier because Junpei saved her in the future be she still created the nonary games to make sure Junpei would still save her?
>>339953052
>>Sigma still witty smartmouth he was in VLRit's not even the same sigma
>being shit at sudoku
This was so anti-climactic. Every other puzzle in the game had some originality behind it but then for the "final boss" puzzle they just throw you a newspaper clipping. It was fucking stupid. It wasn't even a hard grid.
>>339953524
She has to, otherwisePIME TARADOX
>>339953052
>Sigma still witty smartmouth he was in VLR
God, I fucking hope
>>339953671
The fact that you're good at sudoku means you're a top-tier normie
>>339950878
It was a twist in a literal sense.
But seriously, I really liked howthe story was told in those two perspectives right from the start. It was so in your face, and I remember thinking to myself, that the text placement on both screens was a little odd until I got to that twist.
>>339953524
Look
In ZE there is one TRUE timeline and whole bunch of other ones that are essentislly bad endings.
The whole point of the games is to ensure the best events possible happen in the true timeline.
So yes, June survived by looking into the future, but for that future to happen she had to make sure to recreate it.
This is why ZTD is going to be interestig, they forget everything every 90 mins so no timeline memory fuckery can happen.
>>339953524
it's a "stable" loop, so she kinda has to do it in order to ensure her survival and her ability to establish it in the first place. but perhaps the "first time" around if there even is such a thing, could have been her brother finding out and setting it up and then her joining in for latter iterations. but i dunno time stuff makes my head hurt.
>>339953671
It's symbolic anon, you know, 9 numbers, 9 rows, 9 columns, 9 hours, 9 persons, 9 doors.
>>339953801
>tfw all through highschool, the only game I had on my phone was sudoku causing me to become a fucking pro at it
>>339953938
There is no "first" time in a loop. It has no origin, it always did happen and it always will happen
>>339953671
yeah but as far as "9"-related games, sudoku is probably the one game that fits the best so thematically it fits pretty well.
in fact, if they put a real timer for the puzzle it would become much more challenging even on easy grids because it cuts down your time to think.
>>339953776
VLR had soo much character banter that it was bordering on side splitting.
But I totally see that they're going for a more serious route for the sequel, probably because its all rendered in 3Dexcept the characters don't move for shit.
>yfw you heard the aussie accent
>>339953442
Causal loops can happen, even in real life, because time is just something we perceive as a continuous thing, when in actuality everything that has and will ever happen already exists at once. There's no paradox because the entire loop was there from the start.
>>339953671
It was fitting because Sudoku is about getting nine vertically, nine horizontally and nine in each box.
>>339953801
It's just an application of logic. Honestly I don't even play it but it's not difficult to deduce what must be true and what can't be true and work from there
>>339953767
>Akane, you can't do that! You've changed history. You've created a time paradox!
>>339952252
i hate you
>>339954097
Watch the first 9 mins of gameplay on youtube. There's still a ton of phi and sigma banter
Mildly entertained by 999 but I never could justifying playing this on my 3DS since I have actual games on that.
>Do I want to look at gradeschooler anime dialogue for 50 minutes or fulfill a hunt
Tough choice.
>>339954207
Don't worry, there are plenty more. I wouldn't give away the best shit.
>>339954213
It's good, but not VLR good.But that's like my opinion man.And that video has me hyped as fuck.
Hey guys, the 999 stream will be finishing up tonight with the true end. We'll start with VLR tomorrow.
We'll be starting 10PM CEST / 4PM EST/ 1PM PDT
Location is hitbox/blick-winkel
>>339954146
>Causal loops can happen, even in real life
[citation needed]
Just because they're logically consistent doesn't mean they're physically possible. There is no known example of information being sent to the past
>>339954287
>In-depth discussions about physics, maths, game theory, philosophy and occultism
>Grade school
So you didn't actually play the game.
>>339954512
Didn't you hear about the Japanese teenagers that achieved it with a microwave?
>>339954489
Wew I thought I had missed True Ending yesterday.
>>339954674
>Wew I thought I had missed True Ending yesterday.
Took longer than I had thought, so I stopped after the Operating Room.
>>339954525
>In-depth discussions about physics, maths, game theory, philosophy and occultism
>This is what teenagers actually believe
Name one thing of value you learned from any of these games.
What is your TWEEST theory for ZTD?Kyle is going to inhabit Carlos,Q and Diana to correct the paths.
Sigma will give up his young body for Kyle in good ending.
>>339954107
>aussie
Honestly, I wasn't impressed when I beat 999. I thought it was OK and the twist at the end was meh.
Felt the same about VLR up until the point when I went back to change a choice from Ally to Betray for Alice and when the outcome was different, Sigma was confused about it. At the moment I knew I was playing a 10/10 game. Even kept a pen and paper handy too.
>>339954213
>Sigma eithergets a live round or a blank, directly pointed at his ear.Well I hope you had fun with your ear drums cause they're gonna go bye bye.
>>339954739
My theory isit was all a video game
>>339953329
well since it was Junpei completing it in the future, and he was sending it back in time in the first place, a time limit wouldn't make sense
It's been years since i played 999 and VLR so I feel like alot of the finer points have escaped me.
Does anyone know a good catch up vid I can watch to help jolt my memory in preperation for ZTD?
>>339954512
Relativity shows that time can bend infinitely and is just a property of space. A person entering a black hole, if they weren't killed by the tidal forces, would see the entire lifespan of the universe play out in front of them due to how they bend spacetime.
Knowing that time exists all at once, time loops become possible in theory without paradoxes.
>>339953052
Because you should never go sasuke
>>339954957
I doubt much will be relevant to ZTD's story
They said they rewrote it so that people could enjoy it as a standalone title, with only small references tying it to 999/VLR
I mean, just think of how relevant 999 was to VLR. Not knowing who Akane, Junpei, Clover or Alice were doesn't really change anything because the story told you everything you really needed to know. The connection is just icing
>>339954731
A cursory knowledge of quantum physics, if anything
>>339955267
>Still doing the time flow chat.
Should have made it clouded until you've finished that route.
>>339955267
christ alive this game is gonna take awhile huh
>>339955174
VLR whole premise is literally getting to ZTD point.
It is a direct sequel.
That was whole game's objective.
Send Sigma,Phi and Kyle back to Mars Test Site.
Maybe it won't be that "in your face" but Sigma and Phi will definitely drop stuff about events of VLR.
>>339955423
Least its as easy as VLR's sequence jumping.
>>339950878
I'm pretty stupid so I actually never realized that was the twist.
Is the 9 minute gameplay of ZTD spoilerfest?
Kinda watch to watch but on the other hand...
I have a feeling ? is gonna show up in the true end and guide Sigma etc. on the right path.
Sigma can't remember shit after jumps because of the bracelets, so thats really the only way to do things. Have ? manipulate the RNG of the puzzles and what not.
>>339954901
>Automatic incineration will take place in 6 minutes
>>339955854
No it's the scene that was already talked about
Remember 11 twist on the killer was probably the best I've read in these kind of VNs
Too bad they don't explain about why everything happened in the first place but you can piece most stuff together.
>>339953052
>>Carlos will probably cuck Akane away from Junpei in the True Ending
DEAR GOD
JUMPY HAS SUFFERED ENOUGH
>still haven't finished my vlr playthrough
PANIC
>>339953052
Junpei took it upon himself to call the notes that Gab delivers "Gab Letters"
That's pretty goofy imo, I think there's still some hope for him
>>339956448
Get to it nigga.
>>339956448
ADACHI IS THE KILLER
Why is Dr.Klim acting so....finnicky?
He should be more stoic, especially since he knows death is not really an actual problem.
I think it was just about the stupidest thing.
Somehow two kids grow into teenagers who set up a 1:1 Titanic ship replication, kidnap multiple people, put them in life or death situations that actually do result in death (like, they couldn't just fucking fake it?) all so someone can send the solution for a beginner tier sudoku puzzle back in time to save one of those two teenagers' lives.
It's somehow not treated as completely absurd they were able to do this, and neither of the two that set it up are treated as a villain.
>>339954389
Not because you spoiled it, senpai. I already played that game, it's shit. Not even the best PMD twist by far. Hydriogen was obvious and dumb.
>>339956889
Really that's what you thought was stupid? Not time travelling telepathy itself?
>>339956889
Just pretend it was a really hard sodoku. They only made it easy because the video game itself has to be played by real people and they didn't want it to be frustrating.
>>339956889
>put them in life or death situations that actually do result in death (like, they couldn't just fucking fake it?)
Only the 9th man had a bomb
>>339956889
>who set up a 1:1 Titanic ship replication
Also the replication was already there from the first game
REMINDER THAT ZTD IS A SHITTY GAME BECAUSE JUNPEI TURNED INTO A WHINY BRAT
THANKS A LOT
I literally beat VLR 30 seconds ago, can someone explain to me what the point of that entire last 30 seconds was?if akane had to kill me or pretend to kill phi OR WHATEVER to trigger me jumping, why did I wake up again in the current time or was it meant to signify that the old conciousness had returned to the old body, and young consciousness jumped back?
>>339956889
They didn't set up anything. They reused Building Q from Hongou's game. They also had tons of cash from Cradle stocks.
Am I spoiled just by looking at this? I've only seen a few things, but they've been engraved into my mindsomething-something with the bottom screen, mirror something6=0, hexagon isn't real or some shit
I'm guessing the game is more than the twist, 'cause I want to get into it, but I tried to forget these first
>>339956889
the only thing i was upset with was that they didn't explain how Akane and Santa came into the money to fund it all. It's explained they have wealthy "benefactors" I think which made me think Free The Soul was going to be run by them in vlr
I've never done this for a game before, but I've taken the 29th off. That way, if my copy arrives on release day, I can play all night and all through the next day. Hype as fuuuuuck
>>339952320
I think you might literally have autism anon.
>>339957494
yeah pretty much
sorry mate
>>339957440the second one
why do people spoil games for others anyway? fuck yall
>>339952320
>implying people don't have constant access to the net especially with cheap 3g on smartphones
Are you 50 or just a moron?
>>339957494
That's what happens when you come into threads for an extremely plot heavy game.
Not saying people are right to spoil others, but we should all expect it by now.
>>339957494
Phi is Santa
Seven is his gay lover
Snake is the mastermind
Junpei did nothing wrong
Okay so (999 spoilers)Akane creates the nonary game because there would be a time paradox otherwise. Fine, she gets out alive and stuff.Why the fuck does VLR happen? I've played through it and I still don't get it.
Ever17 was better. A lot better.
>>339957837
Let me tell you about termites...
>>339957837
for the same reason literally
999 happens because they had to recreate what she saw in the past
same goes for vlr
>>339957573
They did explain it, though I can't remember if it was just in the q&a (in which case I'll give you that one) or in the game as well. Akane saw that Cradle Pharmaceutical would be crazy successful in the future, so Santa invested and bam, murder game funds secured.
>>339957440
The last 30 seconds is Kyle mindfuck.
Did you get true ending?
>>339957816
>That's what happens when you come into threads for an extremely plot heavy game.
I've never done this, this is the first time I've ever done this. However, there have been plenty of threads such as "ITT spoil a game without directly doing so" and the OP image has just been the text6=0against the white background. It's okay though, I have a big enough backlog already.
>>339957993
>invested
By which I mean he bought stocks, like he mentioned to Junpei in that first cabin.
>>339958013
ohshit never mind there's more to the game apparently, a new time appeared in the flowchart
IM TALKING TO QT YOUNG AKANE NOW DO I GET TO KEK JUNPEI IN THIS TIMELINE?
>>339955386
The unplayed portions of the chart in VLR were full of shit. It didn't accurately represent the choices at all.
So I watched ZTD gameplay.
Why does Sigma act like total dork?
>>339958327
Because he's a billion year old autist who spends his time studying termites
>>339958320
Agreed, the choices the other characters made didn't logically follow from anything you did.
It was just a case of playing them all out in sequence to see which was the right one.
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/mtuZKvE.png "latest[1].png")
>>339958327
>implying Sigma being a dork is news
>>339954525
dood, ZE is fun, but everything they talk about is entry level
>>339954525
spot the teenager
>can count the porn of this series on one hand
this is tragic. I need to masturbate to Phi fucking and old man named Sigma RIGHT NOW
>>339958429
>>339958498
Yeah but Dr.Klim seemed calm this Sigma is just "OH JEEZ LOUISE WE GOTTA SAVE HER WEEEHAAAW".
Also what is this crap about randomized events?
Does it mean I have to "grind" for best outcomes?
>>339950878
incapable of deciding anything for yourself?
>>339956157
I literally finished Remember11 this morning and I don't know what you mean about 'twist on the killer'. You meanUtsumi's unborn kids fucking stuff up the entire way through the game without you realising.
Pretty great game but ended out of fucking nowhere.
Ever17 >>>> Remember11 > Never7
>>339958828
No, he just wants a thinly veiled reason to post a spoiler on the OP because he's a dickhole.
>>339957915
>>339955423
They confirmed it's about the same length as VLR; ~40 hours.
>>339958725
>Also what is this crap about randomized events?
The 'demo' showed two options
>Let Phi bake
>Shoot the gun
The gun has a 50% chance of shooting a blank. So you only choose to shoot, and you don't know what will happen.
>>339960405
but then if it shoots can I just access the flowchart and start that sequence again?
>>339960790
Yes.
Am I the only one worried ZTD will be shit?
I mean, we already know the models/animations are bad, and I'm willing to set that aside for a good story. But Uchikoshi said his original story was rewritten to accommodate people who never played the first two games. This really bothers me. I'm afraid in casting too large of a net they're going to alienate fans of the series, which are ironically the only people who will probably buy this anyway, considering how bad the graphics are, especially with a $40 price tag when most TTG adventures look loads better and are half the price.
>>339961748
>>339961748
Where is the "rewritten" part coming from? VLR was also written to be accessible to newcomers, and I don't think the story suffered for it at all.
>>339963407
Maybe he noticed saying CIA LEAKED wasn't a good enough bait?
>>339963407
Was mentioned in an interview, I can't find it. He talked about the conflict in trying to resolve things for existing players of VLR while simultaneously trying not to ostracize new players, and the solution is something of a compromise
>>339963572
Not everything is bait. I can't be the only person worried about whether it'll be good or not, espeically when the trailer doesn't even feature the series' main theme
Stream starting in 15 minutes
>>339964024
That doesn't necessarily mean "rewritten" though. If he planned from the start to make it an entry point for new players, that conflict would still be there.
>>339964094
gentlemen, prepare your 【F】s
>>339964094
Stream for what?
also check out this OC I made
>>339964618
We're finishing up 999.
Starting VLR tomorrow.
>>339964693
What channel, on Twitch I assume.
>>339964324
And even if it was rewritten it doesn't necessarily mean it would be bad, or even "not good"
Still though, I'm just wondering, it seems like everyone is blindly hyped, whereas I'm wondering if the game can possibly live up to expectations
>>339964807
Nope.
hitbox/blick-winkel
post phi
Being acatthe whole time was a great twist because there's small hints here and there throughout the whole game, like not recognizing words or how certain things human inventions work.
Being alolithe whole time was a meh twist - it makes sense after the fact, but there's no hints, foreshadowing, or anything that really leads to that conclusion outside of the final puzzle.
>>339965581
You weren't a loli the whole time, the DS was actually displaying both Junpei's view and Akane's view
>>339965827
The bottom screen was a loli the entire game until the end sequence. The bottom screen was also the screen where pretty much everything happened.
I'm pretty sure that's being a loli the entire game.
okay fuckboys, tell me i can emulate VLR before ZTD comes out.
>>339966293
Sure you can't
>>339966293
fuck you buy it, ZTD almost wasn't a thing cause of shit like this
>>339966293
You can't. Get a 3DS nigga, you can even pirate the gamesalthough then you wouldn't be supporting this fantastic series.
>>339966394
>>339966463
fuck you, i'm not buying a dead console for one game.
>>339966505
then fuck you, don't play the amazing series I don't give two shits about you. 3DS is a great console anyways and you can play both on there
>>339966685
>3DS is a great console
hah
>>339966505
There's a lot of other good games for the 3DS too, Anon. Or check out the Vita if there's more games that interest you on that system.
>>339966737
check this shit out right here and tell me that isn't good >>339966742
>>339966293
You can't.
VLR's only available on Vita and 3DS.
To emulate it on Vita, you'll have to wait 7-15 years before someone builds a decent emulator for the Vita that can actually run on available hardware.
To play it on Vita, you literally have to buy it. The only "flash card" for Vita isn't out yet and we don't know if it'll even work OK, so you're outta luck here.
To emulate it on 3DS you'll have to wait 3-7 years while citrus is being worked on. It technically works, but there's a ridiculous amount of graphical glitches and it usually crashes instantly on loading any game - OoT3D being the exception.
To play it on a real 3DS, you can install CFW if your firmware is below 10.2, at which point you can get it for free - otherwise you gotta buy a new 3ds, hard mod it, or just buy the game.
So I get that Akane wasn't really gonna microwave jumpy, but she strapped niggas with watch bombs right?
>>339966924
just that 9th dude was bombed no one else had them
>>339966924
She only put a bomb in the 9th man.
>>339966685
>3ds is a great console
Nigger what?
>>339966850
With the exception of the Devil Survivor remakes, pretty much every game on there has a better version of it or a better entry in the series on a different console.
The 3DS is a decent Emulation machine (though psp is better), but it has a really poor native library.
Not to say the other anon shouldn't support the series - he should, but VLR's better on the Vita anyways.
>>339967007
>>339966971
and Nijisakiwearing Snake's clothes
>>339966293
you fucker, ZTD only exists because like 12 people on /v/ bought VLR, pay for it fuck face
>>339966041
The puzzles were on the bottom screen, all of the story was on the top screen. Obviously Akane didn't interact with her adult self as a child. That was Junpei. You were primarily playing as Junpei, solving puzzles as Akane. It's barely even a "twist", it's just an easter egg. Since they had the same puzzle experience, the bottom screen could just as easily be interpreted as Junpei's puzzle experience too.
>>339966924
She let jumpy get shiv's and ax'd, she was going to let him get microwaved if she needed to.
Akane can freely jump between timelines with her whole body - she could easily just go back to a different one if something bad happenedand she did everytime something fucked up - hence the alternate endings. Every bad ending is a different timeline that Akane's abandoned
>>339967217
>12 people on /v/ bought VLR, pay for it fuck face
/v/ bought VLR, it's the Japs who didn't buy the game because it was too scarry and not anime enough.
>>339967558
Japs didn't buy it because VN/adventures are very common over there and this exact story has been told before by the same author even
>tfw wanted Zero Escape 3 so fucking bad
>now that it's coming out, it looks like shit
I'll still get it though
>>339966463
Why is this so elitist? Plenty of people played VLR without playing 999, and ZTD was made the same way. You don't *have* to play the first 2 games, it's optional.
>>339967958
I'm just glad it's on PC. The 3DS is a piece of shit and I don't own a Vita because I'm not an idiot
>>339967720
No, it's been explicitly stated that the Japanese audience disliked it because of the gore, violence, and tone.
The fucking love V/N's and story rehashes - with Zero Escape as the sole exception, all of Uchi's shit sells fantastically there despite all of it being another version of the same story. All of his other stories are just less violent and way more anime, and occasionally have a dating component to it.
>>339966742
>>339966850
Hello I'm the guy that makes that, stop posting such an old version.
>>339968032
You can play and watch series in any order you want. You can watch the LoTR movies in reverse order if you want, and'll you'll probably still enjoy yourself - it's just not the recommended order, and it's likely you won't enjoy yourself as much as if you had done it the intended way
>>339968096
Same, but if it's going to be the same price on PC as 3DS I might buy the 3DS version for the 20% off prime offer.
>>339968202
No you're not you asshole - real anon makes it that weird cream color to differentiate it from PS3's black rec list.
>>339968356
PC's also 20% off prime.
You'll also be able to mod PC version, so we can play with Phi in a swimsuit the entire game.
>>339968335
95% of what happened in 999 is completely irrelevant to VLR, and the remaining 10% is more like "hey I remember that character, neat"
I would not recommend someone buy a 3DS to play VLR, period. It's not worth it unless they can get it virtually for free. They can still go back to those games later and play them, and they'll probably get PC ports too.
>>339968437
Are you actually telling listanon the reason for background colours? Anyways go to /nintyg/ to see the last versions have been black, like the Tomorrow theme retard.
>>339967720
>Japs didn't buy it because VN/adventures are very common over there
That's something to take into account, but 999 sold like shit over there and the main complaint from the Japanese players was that they didn't like how dark the game was with its violence and gore. So in VLR Spike Chunsoft told the development team to tone down the gore/dark themes and play up the anime aspects (i.e. putting Clover in the Cavewoman prostitute outfit) in an attempt to appeal to the otaku market. General consensus is that these changes resulted in a lesser game and VLR still sold like shit over in Japan, resulting in ZE3 being cancelled (for the time being).
>>339968517
>PC's also 20% off prime.
Shit really? I don't even see the PC version on amazon though
>>339959191
that spoiler isn't like an "adachi is the origami killer", OP pic doesn't make any sense unless you already know what's going on.
>>339968550
>95% of what happened in 999 is irrelevant to VLR
...I'm now convinced you've played neither game.
>>339968829
Adachi's the fucking WHAT?
We have spoiler tags for a reason, asshole.
I completely expected to see ZE spoilers, we're in a ZE thread. At no point did I expect fucking Persona spoilers you fucking twat.
>>339968550
>95% of what happened in 999 is completely irrelevant to VLR, and the remaining 10% is more like "hey I remember that character, neat"
That's pretty wrong. For one example, if you skipped 999 the entire twist ofTenmyouji revealing the Akane photograph, thus outing himself as Junpeiwouldn't make any sense. You're also missing out on all the character development in 999, then you're given less of a reason to care about the returning characters in VLR because you don't know about their motivations.
>>339968927
Please explain exactly what you think is important in 999 that isn't covered in VLR.
>>339969090
It's a fake spoiler Anon, don't worry. Shit's been a meme for years.
>yfw Spike Chuunsoft fucks up, releases a very poorly protected game.
>Gets leaked on the internet
>Pirates get a hold of it
>Datamine it and post every single possible ending on /v/ 2 weeks before release.
I mean its fucking terrifying nowImagine if i would have posed a Spoiler here, it would have been too late, you would have already read it, remember. DO NOT open spoilers on /v/ on ZTD related threads.
>>339969224
>he doesn't have a CFW 3DS
>he's not downloading the leaked version the day it comes out
Still buying the game anyway to support the series/Uchi, but I'm not fucking risking it with a leaked version.
>>339969090
The origami killer isn't even the same game, that's from the one where the guy hallucinated and killed his son
>>339969106
>Tenmyouji revealing the Akane photograph, thus outing himself as Junpei
>because you don't know about their motivations.
Except Junpei's primary motivation in VLR was Quark. Akane and what happened in 999 was really completely irrelevant. It was a nice nod to people who played it, but the story is almost completely self-contained.
Yeah, Tenmyouji is Junpei, but so what? For someone playing VLR first, this isn't some huge plot point as far as VLR is concerned.
Well at least we got best girl confirmed, how can Akane, Phi and Diana even compete.
>>339969204
yeah but he is the killer though
>>339969449
>that fucking glare
Also, that statuette is neato. Wonder if that's gonna have any purpose.
>>339969412
>Except Junpei's primary motivation in VLR was Quark. Akane and what happened in 999 was really completely irrelevant.
Are you forgetting the scene in the Q room with her hologram? Or the stuff in the True ending where he basically admits the June he knew was dead and that he has to move on with his life? Or any scene with them together? That shit is way less impactful if you skipped 999
>Yeah, Tenmyouji is Junpei, but so what? For someone playing VLR first, this isn't some huge plot point as far as VLR is concerned.
It's a twist that completely changes how you're supposed to view his character. Before you just think of him as some bitter old man, after that twist you know he's fucking Junpei and you're wondering how his character changed to that of Tenmyouji. What the happened to make him act like this? Why is he old while Clover and Alice are still young? How did he get involved in another Nonary game and how is he related to the rest of the cast? etc. You can also apply this exact same logic to all the other returning characters like Alice and Akane.
>>339969130
Character development for Junpei and Clover
Snake and Clover's relationship andSnake's connections to Brother
The nature of Akane's powers,especially being able to physically jump between timelines, which is not alluded to in VLR but is straight up demonstrated in 999
Junpei's and Akane's first meeting and their general history
Brother's nature and his powers
In terms of VLR's plot, 999 does provide important information through the game - it's not 100% necessary, but there a bunch of stuff you won't catch or realize if you haven't played the first, and you're not getting the whole experience.
In terms of overall plot, 999 is mandatory.
If you only wanted to play VLR then you could get away without knowing about 999, but it's a lesser experience - if you wanted to play the whole series, there is absolutely no reason to play VLR before 999, as several portions of 999 are critical to understanding how the entire ZE universe works (especially Akane's and Brother's power's)
>>339970453
I'm going to be laughing at you when you realize ZTD is yet another mostly self-contained story with inconsequential references to the previous games
If you really think they're going to pull Snake out of thin air when he was only vaguely alluded to in VLR, you're an idiot
>>339970453
>Snake's connections to Brother
???
>>339971379
>>339970453
no matter what happens, the story is going to be written in a way that first-timers will be able to appreciate the story, self-contained, so you can throw out any "snake is brother" bullshit fan theory as just that, because it would make zero sense to someone playing ZTD first
like it or not, the game WAS made to be playable by itself, so the primary story arch will be unrelated to vlr and 999. i'm sorry.
>>339971567
>the story is going to be written in a way that first-timers will be able to appreciate the story, self-contained
Says who?
>>339970872
>ZTD is yet another mostly self-contained story
Uchi's already confirmed that this is the end of the trilogy and it'll answer the major lingering plot points and questions from 999, including the confrontation with Brother. So laugh all you want, but the game's director has already said you're completely fucking wrong.
>If you really think they're going to pull Snake out of thin air when he was only vaguely alluded to in VLR, you're an idiot
Jesus christ you know nothing.
This is literally answered in the second question of Uchi's Q&A.
>"Q2: What happened to Snake/Light during the events of VLR? Did he search for Clover for 45 years, like how Junpei still searched for Akane?"
>"Answer: This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it."
http://virtueslastreward.com/qahome/
8/10 though, you got me to respond to your stupid bait.
>>339970872
>>339971567
The Snake is Brother theory was made before the game was even called ZTD. Nobody knew it would be a self-contained story for newcomers at the time.
>>339971791
Yup. I have this image saved from 2015.
>>339971769
>q&a for VLR
I hope you realize this was done before ZE3 was CANCELLED
ZTD was specifically rewritten so that the story would be accessible by anyone. This doesn't mean they won't tie up lose ends in VLR, but that also doesn't mean that these revelations will be particularly meaningful as far as ZTD's story is concerned.
>>339972147
>ZTD was specifically rewritten so that the story would be accessible by anyone.
Got a source on that?
>>339972147
>>339972218
Although ZTD was written to be accessible to newcomers, that still might not mean much. VLR can technically be played without playing 999, because they reference it and tell you what happened. Certain moments like Tenmyouji's identity wouldn't really mean anything to new players, though. New players saw Tenmyouji as a new character, while we saw him as old Junpei.
So the same could technically apply with Snake, assuming he is Brother.
>>339970872
>>339971379
>>339971567
>Story's going to be self-contained
>Snake's not going to show up or be explained
Niggers, Snake's confirmed to be in the 3rd fucking game. The game's confirmed to be the end of a trilogy.
http://virtueslastreward.com/qahome/
Q2: What happened to Snake/Light during the events of VLR? Did he search for Clover for 45 years, like how Junpei still searched for Akane?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd Game
Q3: Are there plans to end the series after Zero Escape 3 – or continue it? How far ahead is the series being planned?
>I plan on ending things with the 3rd volume. So basically it’ll be a trilogy.
Q10: Where is Aoi during VLR?
>This will be revealed on the 3rd game. Hope you guys look forward to it.
Q22: The cloak Akane wore in the End or Beginning, with the Free the Soul symbol on it, looked like it was the same as the one Snake wore in the true end of 999, which had the Free the Soul symbol as well. Why is that? I thought Snake’s robes were from when Lord Gordain ran the Nonary Games, so why is the Free the Soul symbol on Snakes’s robes?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it.
Q56: The entirety of this one he says is going to be explained in the 3rd game.
Seven, Lotus, and Ace aren't confirmed, and neither is Clover.
Q9: Do you have any plans to include Seven, Lotus, or Ace in the future games?
>If there are enough requests there is a huge chance.
Even CLOVER's not confirmed to be there.
Q7: Will Clover be appearing again in the third game?
>She’s in the middle of a cold sleep right now…but if there are enough requests for her she might show up.
So we're getting big reveals and the major players are coming back.
>>339971791
That theory got even more credence after VLR. It may still not be true, but ZTD's going to be answering it.
>>339951730
>>339953524
this has to be the most retarded shit ever.
>>339972686
Have you even played the game?
>>339972578
>New players saw Tenmyouji as a new character, while we saw him as old Junpei.
Which doesn't really change anything, it's just a nod.
Tenmyouji is still relevant in VLR's story as "Tenmyouji", the bitter old man who found some joy in life when he took Quark under his wing. What happened to him in 999 as Junpei doesn't change that, it merely adds to it.
In the same sense, they can't just introduce the "bad guy" in ZTD and have him go "HAHA, I was Snake all this time". Whoever the villain is in ZTD, if there even is a true villain, will be a villain in the context OF ZTD, and any additional information will only add to that context, not change or subtract from it. This is why I say they won't pull Snake out of thin air, for if he is in ZTD, he will have relevance to ZTD's story in and of itself and not just "hey remember me, I'm from the first game"
>>339972147
>rewritten
shut up shut up shut uuuuuuup
>>339972993
I get what you're saying, but what I mean is that he could still be Brother in a different sense. Just because he's someone new players won't know, doesn't mean he can't be Brother.
Again, look at VLR. Akane (even though she wasn't Zero) was behind it all. New players just saw her as "the mastermind behind the Nonary Game" while we saw it as "Oh shit, it's Akane again."
>>339973720Snake being Brother is perfectly plausible, since Brother is capable of jumping between timelines with his body, just like Akane - except that he can apparently jump through time as well.
OH
Q37: Is it possible that Brother is somebody we already know from 999 or VLR? Or is he a new character entirely?
>It’s a secret. =^ーﾟ)b
>>339973720
Right, and I'm expecting it to be like VLR again. I mean, VLR was made to be accessible to newcomers and I don't think the plot really suffered from it. I know someone who played VLR and hasn't even touched 999 and they seem to have a pretty good idea of what's going on.
So, saying you absolutely have to play 999/VLR just seems elitist to me. Best experience? Sure, but someone might be put off from the notion that "Oh I have to play 2 other games to enjoy this" and just skip it, which would be unfortunate.
>>339974176
You don't have to play both games to enjoy VLR at all, you're right in that.
But you will some key things if you haven't played 999 first. It doesn't matter too much if you're just looking to play VLR, but it matters if you're looking to get into the series.
>>339974176
I don't know if it would be terribly unfortunate to be honest.
It doesn't matter how badly or how well ZTD sells - Uchi wanted to finish this trilogy (which is like his baby), and then move onto creating a new series. Even if it sells amazingly, Uchi will be moving on to something new - Always may make another Zero Escape game without him, but that would be a Zero Escape without the main writer, designer, and overall creative lead.
Anyone have an inkling as to what Brother's ultimate goal is?I'm guessing he's trying to collect as many ESPer's in one area as he can and unlock all their power / full potential so that he can absorb it and become a 4th dimensional entity, or basically like us.
>Free the soul
>Free his soul from the confines of the game
>>339975256
I meant in the sense that ZTD is probably a good game and they're missing out on a good game. You sound very selfish on top of other things.
>>339975548Considering what Junpei said in VLR about killing off other timelines. I mean, you save one person but everyone else in that timeline dies? Or what happens to them? Espers could be seens as mass murderers and Brother could be trying to eliminate all of them at once. He did literally nothing wrong.
>>339975646
We have no idea if it's a good game, and all of the trailers and interviews have been a little underwhelming.
On top of that you seem extremely self centered - there's a bunch of VN's I'd recommend and have recommended to people before the Zero Escape series. They're OK games but not fantastic, and ZTD is seemingly even more lackluster.
>>339975858Massive Spoilers here.Uchi's addressed some of what you said. Timelines that are abandoned by Akane and Brother can have two separate fates depending on what happened in them. Key to this is Brother's and Akane's ability to literally physically hop through timelines - while Clover/Junpei/Snake can transmit and receive information across timelines, and Phi and Sigma can send their consciousnesses to other timelines, Akane and Brother can literally physically move between them.
In timelines that could potentially exist but have been abandoned by Akane or Brother, the timeline keeps going. So the bad ends in VLR are actually still going and it sucks hardcore for the inhabitants.
In timelines that a paradox is created, such as bad ends in 999 where the entire Second Nonary Game couldn't happen if Akane was never saved from the first infern as a child, Akane slips out of the timeline (physically) once it becomes too unstable to support existence, and then the timeline fades out of existence.
Basically, bad ends that aren't contradictions keep their timeline stable, while ones that do cause paradoxes blip out of existence. Akane and Brother circumvent not being able to see them by physically inserting themselves into the timelines.
>>339976772Wait, so you're saying Akane and Brother move their physical body through timelines (as opposed to Phi and Sigma who just mentally go there)?
>>339977075Consider how Akane disappears in the Safe End.Then also that stuff at the end of VLR with Clover, Alice, and Schrodinger's Cat
>>339977075
As far as Esper abilities go:
>Clover
Confirmed transmitter only.
>Junpei
Confirmed receiver only.
>Phi
Confirmed consciousness transference and minor memory transference.
>Sigma
Confirmed consciousness and complete memory transferrence.
>Akane
Confirmed receiver, transmitter, body inhabitor, and physical timeline hopper. Can transmit and receive information from herself across separate timelines and linearly back and forth through the same timeline.
>Brother
Confirmed transmitter, receiver, and physical timeline hopper. Can transmit and receive information from hirself across separate timelines and linearly back and forth through the same timeline. Implied body snatcher and mind control.
>Snake
Confirmed receiver - no word on if he has more or less ESPer powers, but first game implies he has a possible ESPer related ability to subconsciously affect people.
>K
Confirmed consciousness transferrence - no word on whether he can inhabit a preinhabited body or whether he's inhabiting a created body.
>>339978267
>esper is from ESP-er
I feel stupid for just now realizing this. I thought it was some word FF6 made up.
>>339966742
>Xenoblade 3D
DO NOT buy if for the 3DS. Either get the wii version on the eshop or emulate it.
The resolution of the 3DS doesn't do the game justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EBvxsPrJo
Oh and pic related is what you can do if you emulate it(up to 4k)
>>339950878
Why the hell did you make this thread OP? I was playing this and VLR for the first time so I could prepare for ZTD but this thread just had to be posted.
Now I don't even feel motivated enough to finish 999. I just finished the Safe ending.
>>339979734
Does Xenoblade still crash once an hour if you emulate it?
>>339979835
I feel bad for you son, but when the OP says "Was this a good twist?" and puts it behind a spoiler, it's highly likely that it's a twist and it might even be a twist for a game you haven't finished.
>>339979835
It really doesn't even spoil anything unless you saw the picture and then went reading the thread to explain what it even means. Then you're just an idiot and no one cares.
>>339979835
Anon, that's hardly a spoiler.Akane being Zero, now THAT's a spoiler
>>339980034
it depends on the dolphin build and your pc. They fixed most of the bugs but low end machines may run out of memory and crash
>>339980034
Once every 2-3 hours now instead.
3DS doesn't crash at all though, and lets you directly order your party members, so I think that's the way to go.
Someone post a link to the Clover clicking minigame
>>339978267
Junpei is both receiver and transmitter. He speaks with Akane at the end of the game and tells her what to do.
>>339954107
Yfw this is actually a metaphor for BW controlling people
>>339980740
That's Akane's power actually - she's inhabiting his body at the same time as being in the inferno room, so he's just talking directly to the person in his head.
>>339958725
>It opened! Sigma, it opened!!!!
>...and?
>>339964024
The only thing I can remember was them switching from having Sigma playable to Diana, since VLR players would know Sigma already and his motives. With Diana, the players are all on even ground and knows as much as her.
>>339967402
She has to live through dying and getting BBQ'd though. The reason she's so fucked up is because she remembers everything and has even gotten used to dying.
