How does Doom (2016) hold up to Doom II?
It's better than Doom II
Sandy made some ugly ass maps
Doom (2016) was a better game IMO compared to Doom 2 after replaying 2 again recently and seeing how lackluster it is
>>339930520
>>339930756
>Neo-/v/
Holy shit
much better
Doom 2 had shit level design, shit enemy placement, it was awful compared to the first Doom. Honestly I'd rate it lowest in the series.
>>339930824
>Someone doesn't like a game I like
>DUDE WTF NEO-/v/ XD
Fuck off back to where you came from
>>339930520
>>339930756
>>339930848
>le Doom 2 has bad level design maymay
Kill yourself retard. Nobody will miss or remember you.
Doom > DOOM > Doom 2
also
Fallout > Fallout: New Vegas > Fallout 2
>>339930940
It's fucking godawful. They managed to make the levels less mazelike than the first game while making them more painful to navigate.
>>339930985
>Fallout
Get the fuck out of here with that shit series
People who hate Doom 2 are the same types who can't handle Plutonia.
>>339931075
Plutonia is only fun with gameplay or weapon mods.
It's much more enjoyable then Doom 2. Doom 2's level design goes to total shit after Circle of Death.
Replaying brutal doom 2 after d44m reminded me how much I missed persistent bodies. I just want to wade through a river of gore and say "yeah, I did that"
>>339930985
>Fallout > Fallout: New Vegas > Fallout 2
Fallout 2 was better then FNV tho
>>339930387
it has no mandatory hidden walls to progress and also has no hitscan enemies, take that as you will
seriously though, mandatory hidden walls is really shit level design and contributes to me hating a lot of the levels in doom 2, including the gimmick levels; tricks and traps is the kind of thing I expect a modder to make as a funny joke, or for it to be a secret level made by the devs, not as a fully fledged level in the game
>>339930387
The base game? Probably Doom 2016 since doom 2 has some questionable levels.
Although all doom 2016 will have is fucking snap map and Doom 2 has a shitton of kickass wads so in that regard Doom 2.
(Doom 2 also had master levels which was kickass desu.)
>>339931354
That and Barrels 'O Fun.
>>339930387
if DOOM 2016 got proper mod tools on PC, it would shit all over doom 2
It's the same.
Even the double barrel shotgun is the same.
Strafe, shoot, strafe, shoot, strafe
Too much useless storyline with doom (2016)
Also too much jumping
>>339931189
Doom 2's level design goes to total shit after the very first fucking stage. Second level is TERRIBLE.
>>339930926
>Using XD as an argument
You sure showed him faggot
>>339931605
Underhalls is fine except for the slightly manic shotgun guy spam which can be pretty easily dealt with.
>people want hitscan
Truly the worst
>>339931660
Shut the Fuck up xd
>>339930985
> Fallout > Fallout: New Vegas > Fallout 2
agreed. FO2 is a weak entry in the series. Still miles above 3 and 4, but I guess that's why you didn't list those pieces of shit.
Also, KOTOR1 > KOTOR2
>>339931684
Guns no. Archville flame yes please. Its fair.
I like doom 2 more but at the same time i didnt miss the walking into a room and the walls opening to uncover a swarm of imps and lost souls from 2 when i played DOOM 2016
DOOM is the best in the series.
I love Doom and I appreciate Doom 2, never play 64, but this game is just joy incarnate.
It will put hairs ON the hairs on your chest.
>>339934554
>never play doom 64
The fuck are you waiting for go find doom64ex
>>339930387
It doesn't
Also Baldurs Gate > Baldurs Gate 2
>>339930940
>someone doesnt follow the same mindset as me
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339930387
They're both great games on their own.
NuDoom doesn't have that much lasting appeal or replayability though, you complete it and it's over, while as with classic Doom you can get over 20 years of maps/wads/mods to keep you entertained for years.
No harm in playing both, quite frankly.If you can't afford the new one I believe the crack is on great progress, give it a bit more time.
>>339932164
>KOTOR 1 > KOTOR 2
I would have argued with you, but having played KOTOR 2 with the restoration mod, it's so obviously clear it's an unfinished product. It's got much (much MUCH) stronger parts than KOTOR, but overall it doesn't offer the original's whole. A shame, and still beyond me how any publisher could just force an unfinished product out and then sleep at night, even with a hot cake franchise like Star Wars.
>DOOM 2
>Being held up by anything
Anything good DOOM 2 ever had was thrown down the shitter with it's tedious level design. If the SSG was in DOOM 1, DOOM 2 would've been completely irrelevant, much like DOOM 3.
This is the truth and you know it.
>>339939776
Doom 2 added a lot of cool new enemies as well. Honestly 2's only problem is level design which is a non-factor because of the rickdiculous amount of wads out there
Doom 2 was always inferior to doom 1 due to its level design
>>339939958
>Cool new enemies
>Le long distance hitscan nigger squad in every map
>Pain elemmemester
>Good
The only "good" new enemy was the Archvile. Don't fucking kid yourself.
>>339939958
This. And the level design doesn't take away the fact that it has the single most satisfying shotgun in all of FPS gaming.
>>339930940
Not those guys, but DOOM 1 had way better level design.
>>339938745
>NuDoom doesn't have that much lasting appeal or replayability though, you complete it and it's over, while as with classic Doom you can get over 20 years of maps/wads/mods to keep you entertained for years.
what about snapmap?
Holy fuck neo/v/ is real. Pls die.
>>339940156
snapmap is too weak the enemies limit and the fact that you can't disable enemies from glowing or the crosshair makes it a pain
>>339940156
It's shit, so is the multiplayer.
>>339940156
We will never have anything on the level of Back to Saturn or Valiant from Snapmap.
The fact that Halo 5 has a better level editor than Doom should be your first clue.
You can make a more faithful e1m1 remake in HALO than in Doom.
>Dishonored 2 wont get a thief fan mission community
>The thief fan mission community will never fix all the problems with MGS5
>Doom wont have a new wadding community
>Valve selling skins as if they were poker chips
I cringe when I hear people call reshade/sweetfx injection modding
>>339940778
>Back to Saturn X
EPISODE
3
FUCKING
WHEN?
I'm DYING here.
>>339940127
>dissing on mancubus
I'm mad
>>339940127
>>339941039
>4 SSG shots from behind a wall before he can turn the corner: The enemy
Not much of a challenge after you find out his flaws.
Oh, Arachnotron is irrelevant since most instances where one shows up it's easy as piss to stunlock and kill. Revenant was okay though.
>>339930940
>we put 200 enemies in each room and called it a day: the game
Doom 2 is mediocre
>>339931291
Except it wasn't all you, those demon monsters tend to go at each other constantly. You're being fed lies.
>>339931436
That's one of the things that bothers me the most about D44m. An id game without mod tools just doesn't feel right.
>>339931684
Fuck you, a healthy mix of hitscan and projectiles is what made Doom great.
>>339933203
Meh, monster closets were abundant in the first doom, too. They're a staple of the series.
>>339930940
Go fuck yourself Sandy you rode the coattails of your superiors.
>>339930387
Well, D44M is pretty fucking spectacular. I wasn't expecting much but holy shit they actually did the name justice.
>>339942770
>but holy shit they actually did the name justice.
How would you know, it was clearly your first "doom" game.
>mfw 90+ hours spent just in snapmap
>>339931436
I don't know, games got too complex when compared to old FPS, even if they release some kind of full-fledged SDK I don't think people will shit out as much content as they did with classic Doom, even after some years. Also, not sure how the whole multi-platform thing will work out for something like that.
They should start further expanding snapmap, that's for sure.
>>339943041
Epic post, anon. It's a bloody good stab at updating the core mechanics of Doom to work in a modern title.
>>339943129
Because making maps for doom and quake is FUN in and on itself. You could adjust some shit, run the map in seconds and then go back to fixing stuff. The tools were kind of a mess but once you got them down you could do whatever. Quake even had its own scripting language for if you really wanted to fuck with the game logic. They were games made by people who loved fucking with game engines and it showed.
Modern games tend to separate the player from the map building process, they don't thrive on letting the player fuck with the game.
I wonder where the next generation of game devs is even going to come from, when all they can do now are shitty gamemaker pixelfart garbage.
At least UE4 is free to try.
>>339943280
There was nothing epin about my post, you disgusting underage bethesdrone sycophant. Never fucking reply to me unless you're contributing to the thread.
Also d44m sucks get rekt.
>>339943675
>Because making maps for doom and quake is FUN in and on itself.
Oh yeah I agree, my point is that I believe creating a map or a mod in something like Doom or Quake is infinitely easier than it would be for a modern game.
I made hundreds of maps for Doom back in the day when I was a dumb kid, and even a few mods for Quake, but some years later down the road I went to try my luck with Q3A (id Tech 3) and shit just got way too real. Still feasible sure, but it really wasn't as accessible.
>>339930387
NuDoom sucks shit and Doom 2 is pretty good. So not well id imagine.
Is it just me or is the chainsaw ridiculously OP in DOOM 64?
>>339944529
>id
Good one
>>339931189
>>339931605
I wouldn't call lockdown rooms with barely any enemies good level design either.
>>339940156
Limited by console hardware incapabilities.
>>339944850
thanks i have jewish writers.
>>339944693
It's because it's TWO chainsaws.
>>339942691
Only really in Thy Flesh Consumed.
The first three DOOM episodes were free of that bullshit.
DOOM 2 just loved making you take 1 step in a room and every wall opens up with monsters.
>>339933203
I do like how 2016 more or less replaces them with the arena areas.
>>339943675
there are no middle-of-the-road devs anymore. Either you get hired to work at some big developer under people who have been in the industry for decades making formulaic AAA crap or you become a no-skill indie and make gamemaker pixelart garbage
>>339941039
that's a pretty awful redesign
>>339930848
What are you guys talking about with Doom II's level design? It was good as fuck. Better than the first game.
Be more specific about why you didn't like it.
