More like this?
More roguelikes?
FTL
Binding of Isaac
Rogue Legacy
Dark Souls
Enter the Dungeon
>>339846914
Those are "roguelike-likes" the real major roguelikes are ADOM, Angband, Crawl, Nethack and ToME.
OP should also consider smaller-scale roguelikes such as Infra Arcana, which is set in the world of H.P. Lovecraft's stories.
See the roguelike wiki for more details:
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
>>339847726
Mein nigger thanks, that's with I'm looking for
Also I don't know why I like these games, I can't pass floor 5, I guest loosing is part of the fun
>>339847967
I will give you some strategy hints if you want, what is your race/background, and how are you playing?
>>339846726
on /vg/ there is a thread called /rlg/ (roguelike generals) you can go check their posted pastebins in the archived thread here
>>>/vg/143825138
>>339848121
Naga wanderer, just like a wanderer I play depending of the situation
Minotaur Warrior when I feel lazy
>>339847726
mfw I ascend on Nethack without using spoilers after years of suffering
>>339848510
>Naga wanderer, just like a wanderer I play depending of the situation
That's the hardest possible combo...LOL. Nagas are incredibly slow, wanderers have random equipment. If you must be a Naga at least choose Venom Mage background, Poison Magic will kill anything in the early floors except for undead, most of which are weak skeletons and zombies you can finish off with a weapon.
Teleport with a scroll or use other items if you face a Necrophage, or a skeleton/zombie of a dangerous being such as wyvern. Bear in mind skels and zombs can't use equipment or their base beings special abilities.
>>339849195
Venom Mage or Berserker.
>>339847967
I really recommend Tales of Maj'eyal (TOME). It strikes a good balance of being able to see progress and not being piss easy or anything. My only real criticism is that isn't a little mouse heavy, which sounds like a positive at first but isn't really if you play a lot.
Still, I highly recommend.
How deep is the Orb of Zot and what would you do with it?
>>339850314
ASCEND!
>>339850314
Eat it
>>339846726
mountain dwarves back yet?
>>339852307
Silly anon, crawl devs don't add things they just remove stuff.
Although did just add 2 gods, jojo and dbz aka pshh nothing personnel
>>339850314
Orb of Zot is in Zot: 5, which is the 25th floor of the dungeon overall after depths and normal D. You use it as a paper weight.
>>339852609
Don't forget 2pak.
>>339846914
I was mad until the inclusion of Dark Souls.
Nice b8
>>339846726
I could never beat this game, even with troll berzerker (ez mode class) , i always got fucked by bees
>>339847967
I have to second ToME. It's really, really good.
If you wanna start on a super fun EZ mode I recommend alchemist.
>>339852938
Crawl has become a lot easier over the years.
Give it another try.
>>339846726
Cataclysm DDA is pretty cool, albeit not a true roguelike.
Caves of Qud was great and is apparently actually getting finished and added to steam.
Among the classics adom is my favorite, though.
>>339853114
But this is wrong. Crawl has been getting harder over the years.
>>339853114
With the last two versions, no.
>>339852938
>i always got fucked by bees
You probably suffered from greed - the reluctance to spend resources. You could have used a Blink scroll to get to corridor, then use Trog's Hand for regeneration (counteract ongoing poison damage), Brothers in Arms (summon ally), and Berserk. If you want to play it safe, kill some of the bees without using Berserk (which blocks use of items and abilities), then use a scroll of Teleport or Fear to escape and heal.
I really want to get into roguelikes, but ASCII really puts me off... What's the best lookinggoodroguelikes out there?
>>339854653
crawl and doomrl are without a doubt the best roguelikes with pretty tiles
people will probably tell you to play tome4 but the tiles are dogshit hideous and it's a terrible game
>>339854357
The biggest problem with bees is their penchant for catching you out in the open and poisoning your shit. He can probably deal with them with just trog's hand if he finds a proper corridor. You don't ever want to use blink/tele/fear to facilitate fighting things. If a situation is bad enough to tele/blink/fear away, its a situation you don't want to be in ever.
>>339854653
Crawl has really great tiles. Adom has decent tiles, outside of some really glaring stuff. Cataclysm DDA has decent tiles. Tome has really bad tiles. Dredmor has ok tiles. Please spoiler future images of vulture. Nobody should have to see that shit.
>it's a you die in a Ziggurat despite the fact you could easily have stolen the orb and beaten the game episode
Every time, fuck mummy floors
>>339854870
>>339854653
Thank you lads, I guess I'll give Crawl a shot since it seems to be all around the best regarded rl.
>>339854870
>The biggest problem with bees is their penchant for catching you out in the open and poisoning your shit
>He can probably deal with them with just trog's hand if he finds a proper corridor.
Hence blinking to a corridor. And obviously I meant use Fear/Teleport if necessary, not that he should definitely plan on using them. It's moot anyway, as a Troglodyte with +30% HP (size) double regeneration and a +2/+6 weapon (claws) shouldn't have problems with bees unless they are before Floor 5.
>>339856104
Don't be afraid to check out /rlg/ if you want help.
>>339856116
You blink to get away from really dangerous stuff anon. They're really rare emergency buttons and you don't want to burn them just to fight some bees. This whole thing is kind of moot though, since its a hypothetical.
>>339846726
You can always try DoomRL. It mixes really well the concept of DOOM with the gameplay of a roguelike.
>>339856693
Why would you melee in arena, especially against barons of hell?
There's no reason not to cornershoot with shotguns. Everyone can cornershoot with shotguns regardless of builds, and it's even important to do so easrly game.
I am confus.
>>339857485
And then I realized that's probably angel of berserk.
>>339857485
Angel of Berserk.
If you're a weeb shit Elona+ is great. Every player gets a free little girl to fondle.
>>339852752
Delicious 2pac aka wizard of wands aka why is nemelex still in the game
>>339852609
What does jojo god do?
Any new races?
>>339856104
ToME is a much better game, but its artstyle is a little odd so you may not like it as much.
>>339848713
That's hardcore. It took me like a year of on-and-off playing even with spoilers. It was my first roguelike though.
>>339856104
It's definitely the best entry for someone new to roguelikes. It has a lot of convenient little features that detract from autistic labor of playing roguelikes.
Just remember one thing, you don't have to fight everyone you see, retreating is viable and completely encouraged.
>>339858835
FOREVER THUGGIN' ON THE QUEST FOR THE ORB
ZAPPIN ENEMIES SINCE THE START OF THIS SEED
I'M UNDER PRESSURE, THE STRESS WITH HAVE ME EVOKIN'
>>339859051
Literally gives you a stand.
>>339849509
I tried to get into ToME but just couldn't. The graphics are weird and I didn't understand how to gear my character and stuff.
>>339858272
Does it have a goal or is it more like a sandbox roguelike?
>>339859603
It's a grindy sandbox roguelike, but it does have a main quest line.
>>339859603
There's a main story to progress through, but the third part is still in development.
>promised myself I'll only play one roguelike at a time
>told myself I'll only move on to the next roguelike after beating it at least once
>nethack as my second roguelike
God damn this shit is hard.
>>339859051
When you pray at his altar, he throws you an arrow. If you survive, a ï½¢Standï½£ appears at your side. You choose the stats and the ability.
>>339861661
This is not a joke right? Re-downloading right fucking now.
>>339861823
That nigga might be exaggerating it, but you basically get a friendly phantim that follows your every order. Can be a Fighter, a Caster or a Hexer.
>>339861823
jojo god just gives you an ancestor
a ghosty dude that follows you around and respawns shortly after being killed
piety increases by exploration
eventually you can turn ghosty ancestor dude into either a knight, hexer, or battlemage (battlemage has terrible AI)
eventually ancestor upgrades more and more and you have to make more choices
like broad axe or demon trident for knight
it's p cool
not that great of a god
but it's cool
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f
/rlg/ is one of the few decent generals mostly free of shitposting.
>>339856693
For anyone unaware, you can get the Dragonslayer sword (from the Berserk manga) by completing it's level without taking damage.
any good roguelikes like cataclysm, but with a different theme maybe? not like unreal world, but maybe a fallout or mad max theme
>>339863137
don't the dragonslayer and berserker armor also just randomly spawn?
or is that specifically one of the requirements to be able to equip it?
how do you do melee arena without taking damage? that sounds impossible
>>339863137
So that was the secret to guaranteedly respawn it? Nice.Now it's the time when the thread gets closed and erased from the archives.
>>339846726
I recommend ELONA.
The main story for the most part has been translated in the custom edition. You also have add-on stories in ELONA + and Custom.
If you wait anothernever everyear you can get it's successor game ELIN.
>>339849195
IE is better than VM.
>>339846914
>Dark Souls
You have to be more subtle.
>>339863429
>how do you do melee arena without taking damage? that sounds impossible
>>339863584
it's not in the arena. You need a 100% kill rate, and to be playing on HMP, and to take no damage during the UC level. If you only fulfil the first 2 requirements you get Azrael's Scythe, otherwise you get The Spear of Longinus.
http://doom.chaosforge.org/wiki/Unholy_Cathedral
>>339863717
>IE is better than VM.
0 Aptitude vs 3, and Ozocubu's Armour increases movement delay by 1, so why on earth would you choose it as a Naga?
>>339864239
IE is the strongest mage start. VM is generally considered the weakest along with AE.
>>339862491
Oh damn, thought they would also start with a randomly generated special ability. Still cool.
>>339864239
IE spells are much better, also you ideally cast Ozo in situations where movement speed does not matter.
VM is commonly considered to be pretty weak, though I do like it. But I also like Nagas, and they suck!
>>339848121
Not him but I tend to enjoy playing as a monk, any viable race.
>>339864470
>>339864334
Wizard background for Naga then, a range of spells, including mephitic Cloud.
>>339864032
Wait just a minute... You mean, completing The Unholy Cathedral without taking damage? Nigga, that sounds utterly impossible. I don't think even with an incincibility globe you'd be able to do this.
And nuking doesn't count.
>>339864602
I don't like Wizards at all. Frost is a much better book, anyway.
>>339864334
>IE is the strongest mage start
That's a weird way to spell FE.
But yeah, AE is shit.
>>339864602
Wiz is tons of fun and really good for naga. They have inherent immunity to their own meph clouds, and blink does much more for a naga than any other race. You're going to be poison spitting WAY more than usual though. I think NaTM is a really great start for them though. Nagas are best when they're abusing their huge HP and constriction.
>>339854870
I tried playing ADOM but it felt really underwhelming to me. I like the general idea of a somewhat open-world roguelike but it felt way too easy and like most of the non-combat skills were superfluous. Also it felt like the enemy design was focused way more on quantity than differentiation. Did I pick up a bad version or something?
>>339864980
I've never played ADOM, but from what I've seen of other people posting their playthroughs, it tends to turn into degenerate grinding and spoilerly shit. If you aren't into that kind of thing, try out another game.
>>339864475
Trolls are very powerful, and because of this power can succeed with many Gods,
Non-troll monks are generally weaker than weapon-wielders, at least to begin with, for example Demonspawn will eventually develop powerful mutations, and have a high Invocations for god powers, but are hard in the beginning because of their poor Aptitudes. They may or may not develop claws like a troll, greatly boosting their unarmed damage, but if they do it will probably take many levels.
Transmuters can transform themselves to boost unarmed, but they are also weak to begin with due to splitting XP between magic and melee.
>>339853630
Is this true? Might try again.
Anything notable removed in 0.17-0.19?
>>339859403
Why do they call him 2pac?
Why is no one recommending PosChengband?
It's a glorious clusterfuck like no other.
Also, in what other game can you play as a ring of power?
>>339866143
God's name is Pakellas.
He's all about wands/rods, which are really just fantasy guns if you think about it.
We like giving gods nicknames too.
2pak
>>339866302
Makes sense.
Might try a Transmuter or something with him.
>>339866143
His real name is Pakellas. We just have an odd sense of humor and call him 2Pak. We do it for basically every other god too.
>>339866215
>It may invoke mana storms, touch of doom or fire a rocket. It may summon cyber demons, summon uniques or summon dragons. It may touch to drain charges.
Poscheng, i hate u so much but the loot game ridiculous.
>>339859435
But it's really easy to figure out what stats are important, all things considered. Where it falls down for new players is knowing the order of dungeons and every death coming at being stunlocked to death (being pinned, usually). Still, stats are really straightforward. In fact, hovering over them tells you what they are/do. The character sheet is fairly robust.
DWARF FORTRESS ADVENTURE MODE.
>>339865821
No more Amulets of Resist Mutation or Clarity.
Enjoy Abyss and Pandemonium.
>>339866981
>no more Resist Mutation
what the fuck
How am I expected to deal with Orbs of Fire or Wretched Stars?
>>339867171
Well, considering it never worked against transient muts (the kind wretched stars give), you'll probably manage.
>>339867171
Chugging the extra 2 cure mutation potions they give you to compensate it.
By the way, they cure less mutations now.
Enjoy Slime Pits.
>>339867171
cutemut is supposed to be more common now
alternatively play halflings
>Caves of Qud
>implying it'll get finished
>giving goons money
>>339867171
>How am I expected to deal with Orbs of Fire or Wretched Stars?
With your INTERESTING AND TACTICAL DECISIONS. Amulets are boring nobrainers and swapping jewelry is scummy.
>>339867321
Oops, don't I feel stupid.
Interesting change, though.
>>339846726
Dungeons of Dreadmor
Caves of Qud boyeeee
also NEO Scavenger might be considered a roguelike. The rest I'd eecommend are obvious as hell and all over the thread.
>>339854653
This makes me really want to play UO again but I don't want to grind a year to max out skills.
>>339867593
It really isn't a big deal. The number of purple tier 3 mutating demons (neqowhatever) was lowered and pots of cmut are more common. When you are fighting oofs you are in Zot and about to win so most muts matter not.
>>339867598
>Dungeons of Dreadmor
no
nonono
>>339867523
Nigga, they remove 3 just like they always did.
>>339867171
Cmut is much more common. You'll have 3-5 cmuts by the time you hit zot. They also made nexokeks much less common so you don't have to tread as lightly. You mostly get mutated by OoF in a normal game, or cacodemons/nexokeks/Mnoleg in extended.
>>339858835
>make god of wands
>remove half the existing wands from the game
So what are your best characters/most memorable victories?
I'm only a babby to the genre and have only two 3-runes victory under the belt, even tho I managed to get them in a streak, I have no clue how.
TrMo of Oka with high throwing is turbo diesel: the experience, would recommend to everyone.
The second victory was with a conjurer, but I cried blood against the 6 orb of fire I had to fight on zot:5. How the fuck are you even supposed to fight them if you didn't train earth magic all game and rely on fire storms? I had to pray that my orb of destruction always get their target and had to quaff 5 cure muts.
>>339869292
At least they kept the wand of healing. A Deep Dwarf of 2pac is basically a free win.
>>339863692
I could never get into Elona, i dunno if is harder than crawl but i always get my shit rekt in elona and maybe i was doing something wrong but leveling seemed slow. Any tips aside from git gud?
>>339869479
Are you really that guy who played the Fe of Qaz? I remember watching you, it's cool that you won twice already. Grats.
Vs. oofs, Firestorm could be good if it's high-powered (needs high Int, staff of fire, maybe ring of fire or robe of Archmagi). Ood is a good choice too, and well, even a mage can melee sometimes.
>>339869556
So is a DD of Makhleb, just with less keypresses.
>>339866675
I'm not really that skillful yet on these types of games, but Dwarf Fortress is the game I want to try once I feel experienced enough, Dwarf Fortress looks like the final boss of the Rouge-like games, feel free to say if I'm wrong
>it's a Sigmund on level 2 episode
>>339869479
15 runes with a centaur hunter. Somehow it was a lot easier than with my deep elf fire elementalist who died in pandemonium.
Also I'm happy my first win with 3 runes was with a merfolk death knight. They removed that starting class in a patch for some dumb reason.
>>339869950
>its a Ijyb with a wand of iceblast episode
>>339869738
Yes I am. FeCj of qazlal was super fun, especially since I kept training stealth even after I joined him.
I managed to win those 2 games in a streak too, I have no clue how.After that I got cooky and spammed FeMo, FeBe and OpTm, after splatting 10 or so times I'm now playing MiHu and enjoying the diesel in my veins.
>>339869950
Sigmund has become the unique I fear the less really, if you have ANY kind of resource (ie might, mephitic cloud, some stealth, berserk, heroism ecc...). If you don't, shift-x, e and call it a day, he always sleeps.
>>339870558
>>339869950
>It's a Crazy Yiuf sends you to the abyss episode
>>339869704
Elona doesn't reward you for doing dangerous things.
Elona rewards you for grinding.
Read the pasta on /jp/.
>>339870865
>fighting Crazy Yuif now that you can help him get to the surface
>>339870865
>Yiuf doesn't have hammers anymore
The evil that men do.
>>339869479
Got this one from when I was doing a Kenshiro run. Human Monk of Zin. 15 runes.
It was a fun run, full of ATATATATATA and one-liners when using Recite.
>>339870970
Explain
>>339846726
Like what? Piece of shit casualfest coffee break games?
>>339871115
If Yiuf sees you with the orb, he stops being insane and ascends with you.
>tfw I just want to play a Draconian
>tfw I fail so frequently on them I have to do a clean reinstall or i get choked with player ghosts and the game becomes unplayable
>>339871107
Did it take forever to kill stuff with high health? I don't know how good unarmed is in Crawl.
>>339871254
Just roll a MiMo or MiBe to clean up and then ctrl-Q
>>339871289
Unarmed is incredibly powerful. With the right build, its actually the strongest melee you can have.
>>339871254
Why not just delete the ghost folder?Or play online?
>>339871115
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=4fac74fc1a52f23b6296f8d7d2c64bbc7a6a5568
>>339871208
oh no we've been found
>>339871379
Transmutations are, pure UC is not.
>>339871209
That's pretty cool>inb4 is bullshit
What does yiuf say when he is confused or you are a worshipper of xom? I know it's something interesting but I've never had the chance to see it.
>>339871289
Unarmed is actually pretty powerful, but it shines at the higher levels. Once I had UC at 27, I was almost unstoppable.
I still learned Tornado to deal with ziggs and to emulate the ATATATATATA feeling of destroying many enemies at once, given that there's still no gloves with Cleave, unfortunately.
>>339871424
Pure UC is still incredibly potent. You get incredibly high base damage with .5 delay eventually. Mix that with transmutations (because why wouldn't you if you reach that sweet .5 delay), and you'll be 2 shotting panlords.
>>339871626
Find the monspeech file in your Crawl folder and search for Yuif's lines.
>>339871861
Pure UC is worse than weapons for the most of the game.
Roguelikes are basically just inferior rpgs that hide over their complete inferiority with a permadeath mechanic.
There's literally no reason I would play e.g. Crawl or ADOM over a good Neverwinter Nights module, for example, because that has complex combat, unique area design, a story, and more interactivity through skills. Pretty much the same goes for any other decent rpg.
>>339871423
because when I played the game heavily last they didn't have those features
>>339871970
That is really neat anon. I'm glad you like the things that you like.
>>339871958
Only marginally so. For example, 16 UC has .7 delay and base damage 19. Pretty nuts, but you don't get enchantment or brand. It just takes the rng out of taking a weapon skill.
>>339871970
This, to be honest.
Pretty much every roguelike I've ever played devolves into luck and being "gamey".
>>339872349
UC base damage doesn't really work like weapon base damage. I remember fsimming it/reading fsmis on tavern some time ago, and while it's ok it falls behind a decent-ish weapon. But Tmuts are good, yes, which I guess is balanced by Tmuters being bad.
>>339872513
>eing "gamey".
whatever shall we doooo!
>>339871970
Roguelikes are more focused on gameplay than RPGs like NWN. That's also why they're much harder to play. You have to be smart with your resources.
>>339848713
I "beat" both Nethack and ADOM in the age where my internet could hardly handle loading porn images, so I know that feel.
>>339872513
That's probably why live speedruns of most prominent roguelikes feature only 0-2 deaths, right?
>>339872513
There's very little luck involved in DCSS for example. A good player can chain wins while a new player dies repeatedly. I'd say NWN combat is more luck-dependent with the D&D diceroll system.
>>339872621
I'd be interested in seeing that tavern post, and what they were comparing. Tmuters aren't so bad, especially when paired with chei or something. Their raw power is really nuts, it just takes them a little while to catch up in other departments.
>tfw i suck too bad to play real roguelikes but like Risk of Rain, Binding of Isaac, and Gungeon a lot
Guess I'm a filthy casual
>>339872949
Dude, there's like 999 millions of strategy guides for the "real roguelikes" now. Apply yourself.
>>339872923
It's been a while, you can probably see it yourself. In particular, I remember Lair-level UC being compared to a +0 dire flail at similar skill levels and being behind it.
Chei is a bad god and a bad Tm god. Tm is weak in early game and so is Chei, that is a very bad combo.
Finns gonna finn.
Any advice for someone who likes to summons shit, also any rouge-like that takes place in the future?
>>339873214
Can you tame animals in Unreal?
>>339858272
Even if you're not a weeb elona is great
>can buy a house and plant it anywhere on the overwork to return to and store all your crap
>hire maids and shit
>get a ton of summoning rods and unleash shit upon the towns
>realize how bad of an idea that is when you trigger Ragnarok
>marry your horse, have sex with it
>retire and then play as your kid
>>339873214
>months directly translated from Finnish
Is this a sandbox game by the way?
>>339873186
>Chei
>Bad
Tm has the most to gain from chei stats out of any backround. Its a very common god for TM.
>>339873446
>>marry your horse, have sex with it
remember when you were dumb, you worshipped Elona like a fag
>>339873483
Chei is bad for winning a Tm because, agian, Tm earlygame sucks and Chei is especially shitty in earlygame.
>>339873481
It is.
Damn good one, too.
>>339872949
Play crawl. It's really accessible andfun, as long as you don't play a challenging race/class and stick to the most straight forward, like minotaur, gargoyle, draconian and play gladiator, berserker or fighter.
If you want to get into roguelikes but aren't a fan of class/skill/race customization, play shiren the wanderer: it teaches you EVERYTHING you need about the "gameplay" part of the game without all that complicated stuff, and is awesome.
>>339846726
Try pic related, it's a fine roguelike as well as being one of the best zombie games out there.
>>339873186
>Chei is a bad god and a bad Tm god. Tm is weak in early game and so is Chei, that is a very bad combo.
Stop tabbing for a minute and invest in Stealth, lad.
dungeons of dredmor
>>339873571
Whatever you say man. Tm of Chei is straight diesel, but I can see why people would struggle with it. Can't take Okawaru everytime.
>>339873716
C:DDA is probably the worst game you can reccomend to a begginer, is HARD to get used to the menus, the crafting...
Of course, when you do is a fucking awesome game, DDA is a very complex game and the possibilities are endless. Dwarf Fortress is on the same track.
>>339873865
>>339873716
This. Cataclysm is nice and accesible (at least the basic stuff), and you can kill worms from Tremors with railguns and shit.
>>339873840
I have probably more wins than you. I know a few actually good players who value Chei, but they're mostly speedrunners and have a reason to care about endgame strength and such. "Chei makes strong characters stronger and weak characters weaker" is something that does sound fine to me.
>>339873934
I didn't find it too terribly difficult after watching a video or two
my first roguelike btw
>>339873865
My nigger
>>339874048
>my e-peen is bigger WUB WUB WUB WUB
How much do you hate Chei that you had to resort to that statement?
>>339874354
"wow kiddo lrn2play if u disrespect muh chei"
"I know how to play"
"uh no don't bring up ur e-peen not cool man"
What's the matter? Scared that your e-peen is more of a e-weenie?
>>339874048
There are very few bad gods in crawl, especially if you're a good player like you say. Difficulty is very modular in crawl. You can definitely make cheibriados do serious work and he is a very potent postend god. He isn't bad, just has a weak early game.
>>339852752
Actually, the main dungeon itself is 27 levels before entering the final five levels called the Realm of Zot. And you can't enter the Realm of Zot without a minimum of three runes, which are themselves in separate dungeons, their entrances scattered throughout the main dungeon.
I have played DC:SS over 500 times.
I have beaten it once. Four runes.
I tell you honestly, I cannot honestly remember a greater rush in my life. Shit was intense.
>>339874487
You really want to measure virtual dicks because you were losing an online argument?
Of course you do. I forgot we're on /v/, after all.
>>339874752
>There are very few bad gods in crawl
Chei, Qazlal, Xom.
'>He isn't bad, just has a weak early game.
Having a weak early game is kind of really bad in a game that has permadeath.
>>339874875
The Dungeon is 15 levels nowadays, D:15 has entrance to Depths, which is a hard branch with 5 levels.
>>339874935
>losing an online argument
uh what
>>339874875
You haven't played crawl in quite a while friend. Main dungeon is condensed to 15 levels. New area afterwards called depths is 5 levels deep, and much more dangerous than old D:20+. After depths is zot.I've won like 30 times and I literally cannot stop playing. Its my favorite game of all time.
>>339874980
Qaz is fucking strong. Have you ever worshipped Qaz? One of the simplest 3 runers you can do.
>>339874048
>endgame strength
But chei gives you FREE stats, and slouch is a really potent LoS nuke. And it's really really easy to farm piety on Chei.
I don't see why'd you call his early game weak.
>>339875171
Qaz is the worst god in the game. Yes, I won both 15 and 3 rune games with it. I won with all the gods.
>>339875172
Well the first thing Chei does for you is it makes you slower than most monsters in the game. Wow! That is not very good. And you also can't use Haste. Cool! (It really isn't cool at all.)
>>339871208
>hating coffee break roguelikes
>wanting to spend time on needless grinding
>>339859051
vinestalker is pretty recent right?
>>339875328
Now I know you're bullshitting. Qaz is indeed a terrible 15 rune god, but his last ability literally 1 shots orbs of fire. His early abilities let you do scooby doo laps around any normal speed monster and explode hydras. Free buckler for when you're swinging that bardiche around, and permanent tiamat resists. MfGl^Qaz is one of the most diesel playthroughs you can have.
>>339875630
>diesel
What is this meme evenI adore it
>>339875630
You make a very typical mistake, you think about what your god does to you in the endgame, not when you acquire it, when you reach the first start of piety etc. That's kind of silly when we are talking about a game with permadeath which is infamous for its backwards difficulty curve. That would be understandable if you were a speedrunner, but I haven't heard of a speedrunner using Qaz (probably because it's not competitive with Trog and Makh and such).
>>339875078
Oh, crap, I forgot about the update. Shit. Just shows how out-of-the-loop I am. Still, it also shows that Stone Soup is being consistently updatedand de-bloatedeven today, which is nice.
>>339869848
Last I played it was hideously easy to cheese it with throwing, plus it's open ended so you can't win as such
>>339875858
>endgame
u w0t m8? You just need to clear 2 floors to get it started. What the fuck are you on about?
>>339875858
Mitigating the early game is mostly player skill. One of the biggest indicators of player skill is how often you reach lair, regardless of god/backround. Taking a god for midgame/endgame power is just as viable. Do you take okawaru and trog every game or something? Incapable of taking a god other than TSO or makhleb if you aren't starting as a berserker?
>there are still people who don't play MuMo
>>339876342
Now I understand why he boast so much about his wins. The poor guy can't handle anything that's not a MiBe.
>>339873378
Cataclysm DDA
>>339876567
>MuMo
But why?
>>339862586
this.
>>339876225
To get started what? Pathetic stat boosts in exchange for being slower than 98% of the monsters? Wow, you sure shown me!
Fun fact: Okawaru's Heroism will boost your Transmuter damage more than +15 to Str and Dex, assuming your Fighting and UC are under 22. You get +15 to Str and Dex at 6 stars of Chei piety, you get Hero at one star of Oka's piety. Oka also doesn't break your legs or prohibit Haste. Wow!
>>339876342
>Mitigating the early game is mostly player skill.
As opposed to what? The mid-lategame, where you are literally guaranteed to win as long as you don't do anything stupid? Wow!
>>339876738
My account name isSar, you can check the kind of characters I won/played yourself. If yours is betterand you can prove it by logging in and telling me to fuck off, I vow to never post anything Crawl related on /v/ ever again.I made the same promise for /vg/ and I keep it.
Btw, I don't consider myself to be a good player, but I am probably better than you. Probably.
>>339864470
>nagas suck
They're used by experts for mega zigging
>>339879085
Again, a very typical mistake, using postendgame strength to gauge the strength of a character. Btw, nightstalker Ds is all the rage nowadays, or so I heard (megazigs didn't exist when the ubernagas were running).
>>339878273
I think I've seen you before. Yeah, you probably have more wins than me.
And yet, with all those wins, you are still wrong. So I don't know what the whole e-peen point was.
>>339879809
get rekt you fucking shitfag, I piss on Chei and Qazlel (but not Xom, Xom is cool)
fuck off and get the fuck out shitter and take your SHIT GODS with youI'm out, goodbye!
