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For years and years and years every other person I know tells me about how much they used to play Diablo II in high school.
I was playing Capcom vs SNK and Soul Calibur and Final Fantasy IX back then. This game with very little characters on screen running around looked dumb.
>>339802394
Nostalgia, mixed with solid and addictive gameplay. Grimdark world, violence, amazing soundtrack. Low system requirments ensured maximum spread. It was like they designed a virus with maximum infection vectors. No surprise it was a global pandemic.
>>339802394
Imagine Diablo as a genre as this:
You and a few other friends go on a camping trip, you're given a baseball bat and there are fucking pinatas on every single fucking tree, and most of them have things you like.
Every now and then the pinatas do cool shit like make noises when you hit them or explode into fireworks and confetti, sometimes even needing a good 2 minutes of beating to break, but you know that the effort will be worth it because it has something you really want inside.
>>339802394
arpg are the western version of pachinko
>>339802394
>This game with very little characters on screen running around looked dumb.
That complaint applies to RTSs, MOBAs, board games, and whatever other shit. Why are you singling out Diablo 2?
>>339802394
It's something you'll never understand. The drive for better loot in such a fast paced broken action RPG is extremely addicting. Building characters and trading with other people has kept this game ALIVE for 16+ years.
>>339802394
still looks good though
I love how Diablo 2 looks
>>339804628
Because it's the most popular.
>>339802394
I've played Diablo 2 for 15 years. It remains my favorite game of all time, and I re-beat it (to hell baal) every year along with Dark Messiah. I've honestly never understood the "loot hunting" explanation for why it is so acclaimed and I feel like that philosophy is one of the main reasons D3 never clicked with me.
Personally, I found the character building - how you build a template in your head and slowly fit your character into it - to be the most satisfying part of it. Your template gives you a small utility belt against a wide variety of enemies, and how you overcome the challenging parts is what gave me the most thrills. Your character and the gameplay of it is extremely personalized, and the "loot" only accentuates what you've created - although as the years go on you are free to try building new characters around particularly interesting gear which brings a whole new dynamic to the game.
D3's removal of stats and the ability to swap abilities to the current challenge is probably what distanced me the most from it. That, and the story was literally unbearable. There is absolutely no joy for me in the "loot" when the gameplay and story both give me no reason to come back.
>>339805257
This sounds a lot like the From Software games, Armored Core and Souls series.
>>339802394
It was good game for that time, you really didnt have to play anything and it was fun slashing throught the hordes of evil with multiple chars, also chalanging and tough bosses and multiplayer with friends. It was good game for its time.
>>339802394
CvS - good choice
SC - underage wanker
FF - autist with learning disabilities
D2 had solid gameplay and good online and community.
who Zealot Paladin here
>>339806721
You've revealed yourself as an underaged wanker by rating CvS over SC. CvS got boring and wasn't missed at all when CvS2 came out. Soul Calibur was universally praised and saw a lot of play given the scarcity of the platform it was released on.
Final Fantasy IX was the sequel to one of the biggest games ever released. Everyone played it who had anything beyond the most casual connection with console games.
>>339805257
>removal of stats
>what are paragon levels
>ability to swap abilities
>oh no i have more possibilities now I guess the fun is gone
KYS
>>339802394
>Diablo 2 in high school
Holy shit go to bed gramps
>>339807080
well memed kiddo
>>339806981
Well, enjoy your skinner's box, m8.
>>339807105
Daily reminder that if you were born before '90 you need to leave.
>>339807268
1990 here, what now?
>>339806981
>more possibilities
>level paragon to whatever its the max level for getting the max in all "choices" (i guess its around 800) so you can have your character at "max level"
>possibilities
>>339807287
What was your favourite game during childhood?
Lootwhoring is addicting.
>>339807426
>>339807268
nice reddit pic mate , upvoted!!
>>339807474
Supreme taste.
>>339802394
I was playing it just yesterday. Creating a game act 1 start and I had a full game of 8 people within 5 minutes. The appeal is to try out new talent builds and a gamble on getting good items to be even faster.
There is no nostalgia if it's still fun for hours to this day and I would go so far that it matches the playerbase of diablo3 in numbers
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>>339807426
1984
When Diablo II came out I was a sophomore in high school. At that time I was playing Marvel vs Capcom 2 (they came out on the same day, how about that?)
>>339807426
Born in 90 here. I liked plenty of amiga games, like popoulus and shareware before the first gameboy
>>339802394
The loot, building characters around different breakpoint setups, the PvP, the atmosphere.. if you don't like it you don't need too. This game honestly doesn't need any defending. At least beat Hell Baal before making a decision though the PvP is the real end game. If you didn't like the PvP, I'm willing to bet fg that you were not good at the game.
>>339807917
I didn't like pvp, it was full of memebuilds and cheaters. However, there are worse games in that regard.
>>339807474
this was so great, but SO FUCKING HARD.
>>339808161
The memebuilds were nearly always contained to pubs. Beyond that, there is nothing wrong with a pure fireball sorc and such because that's just what it is. That isn't how I want to explain it but I'm getting tired. The modder were very predictable. An AA hammerdin will try to tele-stomp you, so just keep moving a little bit forward and use your dmg abilities, you'll figure it out if you play long enough. AA blizz sorc can't do shit if you stay on them and change your approach patterns up. If they use mods they are bad at the game and it shows when you are even just a little good at namelocks. They are all overly aggressive and don't think to do anything other than play aggressive.
>>339803992
That's an interesting analogy.
>>339803992Picked up
>>339807080
I played it in high school too.
Game is still good, so... No you? I guess?
>>339808829
It describes D3 a lot more so than D2.
>>339807426
1990 too
>>339806839
Do u even chargealot?
It's a bit strange to see people talking about a game you've played for a long time. These people not having had the same experience, not having put in enough time to understand its depth.. I wonder if other people feel this way about some other games discussed on this board, I'm sure it happens. I don't think the greatness of this game is ever explained in-depth because it is exhausting to try. Most people will only experience the tip of the iceberg, and that's okay.
>>339802394
diablo II is an addictive loot-based ARPG. the main appeal is
1) running around and hitting shit is mildly enjoyable
2) the randomised loot is excellent
overall it's okay as a single player game but it's an absolute blast with friends. it's obviously designed to be played in multiplayer because the different classes have interesting synergies with one another.
>>339805257
I never found D2's character building interesting at all, especially not after the synergies patch.
>>339809520
Funny, to me the options that synergies opened made it all the more fun. To me it was like playing a new game. I started getting crazy on my necromancers, like a dedicated golem/poison build (that I still haven't pulled off right).
>>339809520
The synergies really ruined more than it fixed. It basically destroyed viable hibrid builds until you were literally level 80 or so.
I'm still fucking mad about Immolation Arrow flamepit not only being nerfed to only three seconds, but also requiring SIXTY SKILL POINTS to be as good as it used to be and it wasn't even a super good skill to begin with. I get that they wanted to encourage you to use the low level skills more, but that just shows they didn't understand the game at all, since you would be using them anyway as your basic attack once you had appropriate mana drain. Making frost arrow cost 15 mana just made that impossible to deploy.
>>339809618
Synergies didn't really open up options, it limited them severely by punishing you for not building around a single core skill and made immunities incredibly frustrating to deal with because enemies were buffed to compensate for synergies making skills stronger and suddenly skills that you took just to deal with immunities were now absolute shit at doing their job.
>>339809692
Just..
>>339809782
>>339809692
Different experiences, I suppose. I played sorc/necromancer almost exclusively until a year or so after synergies hit, where I tried my first bowazon, hammerdin, and a druid that I immediately hated.
>>339809692
I'm still mad they fucked Nova sorcs, that was just fun to me
>>339809921
Bowa with titan switch and 150+ frw was absolute God-tier. Hammerdin.. meme build. Smite/FoH/Charge/Zeal best. Druid, God-tier as well. Classic tornado/hurricane never gets old and decimates all things. The only bad match up for Nado druid is vs a Sin. Hyrbid Sin is GOAT.
>>339810184
What? Es nova is absolutely fine. Just use a scythe infinity.
>>339810208
I agree on the hammers. It was great for farming, but zealadin was way more fun, especially before he was fully decked out. Smiteadin was definitely the best paladin, both for pvp and pve.
Was charge ever a dedicated build? I always just used it for sprinting everywhere at sanic speeds.
>>339810486
BM charger was used in PvP, mostly used a pike and relied on TG. The best paladins used a hybrid build using smite, charge, and foh. Some with the best gear also used zeal with that set up.
>>339810486
>>339810689
Also, charge is used with vigor to desync. Some Hdins would desync hammers.
>>339808986
With d3 is more the first 2 pinatas have what you want and the rest are filled with giraffe shit.
>>339810875
I don't agree. It's just that loot hunting in D3 is the entire game.
>>339802394
It's an experimentation game with a great loot system and (on first playthrough) atmosphere.
>>339806721
Maximum pleb
>>339811849
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
>>339805257
>D3's removal of stats and the ability to swap abilities to the current challenge is probably what distanced me the most from it.
WHY did people not see this coming?
World of Warcraft should've shown everyone (both the fixed stats and changing your characters skills like underwear) that Blizzard would not put out a game like D2 again.
>>339812115
That's nice, and you do?
>>339812238
Yeah, I do and it's painful to see this game being discussed by people like you.
>>339812389
Still no evidence of having a clue yourself.
>>339812495
No evidence that you can find because you don't know shit about the game.
>>339812181
D2 was made by Blizzard North. You should look into why they aren't around anymore. Current Blizzard will never understand what made D2 so good.
>>339812567
>No evidence that you can find
In a couple of autistic one line posts, no.
>>339812708
Jesus dude... you can't understand because you don't know what to look for. There are a possible maximum of 2 people in this thread that understood the game enough.
>>339812831
That's not how that works.
>>339812874
I don't have to explain shit to you. Did you PvP?
>>339802394
Never understood the appeal either. I played it on PC and PS1 and was thoroughly underwhelmed. It's more of a meme game today, like Planescape.
>>339813257
Dude, I like totally played it on PS1, it zucked. XD
Fuck off.
Let this thread die.
>>339806721
>that shit taste
I'm a bit in awe.
>>339812678
People didn't even have to know about different teams; WoW showed the direction modern gaming was taking.
>>339812831
Ah, you were just being passive-aggressive to the whole thread. That's enough /v/ for me. First reply isn't me btw.
>>339813389
You mad champ? The game blows like your leacherous mother. Try not sperg out, ok?
>>339813596
The point is a different sect of Blizzard made D2 and mainstream blizz is incapable of making a game as good as D2.
>>339813610
It is annoying to come into contact with faggots like yourself. Faggots that know fuck all about the game but still feel like their opinion matters. I can tell you are underage.
>>339812975
PvP was never good.
>>339815374
Did you PvP? I don't care what your opinion of it was. What I want to know is if you have or not. I will expose you too.
>point and click
>pointless grind for 3k hours
ARPG fans are retards
>>339815548
Yes, yes I did, and I didn't find it fun in its own right, let alone compared to the PvP games I was playing at the same time. D2 was a huge disappointment compared to D1.
>>339815915
What did you PvP with? What were the main games you typed in to PvP? What about it was shit?
>>339811073
lJHAHAHAHA
lol no
D2 is 90% loot hunting.
D3 is maybe 40% at best
>>339815872
Except D2 was about PvP. Bots did the grinding. The only thing stronger than the monsters in game were the people killing them.
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>>339807426
I was born in 94, favorit game was Duke Nukem 64 and golden eye
Am i a shitter?
>>339816094
>Except D2 was about PvP.
t. autistic PvP dumbass
>>339816005
Wow, you don't know shit. What other than GRifts and other grinding for loot do you do in D3?
>>339816149
Why do you think there were so many bots and item sites? Do you think people wanted the best loot just so they could kill Baal again?
>>339816140
You're a prime grade Agood taster
>>339802394
Blizzard are simply unsurpassed in manufacturing digital skinner boxes that appeal to many and hook them, the game was simply designed to be addicting, just like all their other games
>>339816004
Tried with my pve Barbarian at first, didn't work. Tried a pvp-focused Sorceress, which worked in that I could win some of the time but convinced me that PvP wasn't fun at all.
Generic PvP labeled games
Everything. The community was annoying as fuck, the grind to get to the point where you could PvP was annoying, and the PvP itself wasn't fun at all.
>>339816436
Nearly everyone else here didn't understand the game. I don't want it discussed by casual shitters that can't understand quality or were simply too young to see the depth or reason to play end game. I'm aware what this must sound like to somebody that just doesn't know but it is the case. Elite circles in games are small for a reason.
What do you guys think of The Incredible Adventures Van Helsing Final Cut? I thought it was pretty good even if the third game was clearly rushed and pretty boring
>>339816606
You didn't like it because you were bad at it. You were bad because you gave up too early. I'm willing to bet you couldn't namelock and tele stomp with your sorc. I'm sure you didn't know about proper BPs or DR and res caps either. Or why you'd use an orb or maybe even a memory CTA. I'm positive you didn't understand how the game worked.
>>339816968
ES CTA* *
>>339816968
>You didn't like it because you were bad at it.
No, I didn't like it because it was shitty, unfun, and had a massive time and effort investment to even start. There was absolutely no reason for me to waste my time on D2 PvP after realizing I didn't like it when I had games like UO and RtCW that had none of those problems.
>>339817136
You got your shit stomped and never aspired to git gud. This is a fair assessment. C'mon now.
>>339807268
>'86 here
Games haven't been advancing as much as I hoped.
>>339802394
The best necro to ever grace vidya.
>>339817240
>never aspired to git gud.
There's no point in it when I both don't like D2 or its PvP and when there isn't a single other game in existence that D2 PvP skills carry over to. It's not like fighting or FPS games, where I can justify dealing with it because getting better at one is going to make me better at all of them.
>>339817395
Would kick from party and tele back to kill and stop the lag/10
>>339817545
Namelocking is the same as shooting someone in a FPS but it's a bit harder considering tele and desync. So, basic reaction speed carry over. Having intricate knowledge of a games mechanics is arguably a carry over skill and good for vidya knowledge in general. Some of the other stuff like tri WWs and such might not be a carry over skill to shit like fightan and what not, so I'll agree there but the game was God-tier and worth it to acquire the know how and D2 specific skill sets for this reason alone.
Also, just to throw it out there you could rekt people in PvP with a basic Tals sorc. I could probably beat anyone at least once with a Nats sin, would be e z mode with a Chaos claw. So, it didn't take much to get started.
>>339816968
PvP in D2 was who one shot the other first and nothing else. Its by far the worst pvp ever made and you are retarded...
>>339818387
This coming from someone who was either really bad at it or never played. It is really easy to tell this because if you understood DR, res, MB and such you would have never of been OHKO'd. Ah, brings me back to lengthy battles vs BvCs using my Hybrid Sin. 2 traps dropped, 1 mind blast to enter fhr lock and chipping away with Venom and 4k WW.
>>339807268
85 lurker here
>>339805257
The loot hunting is only partly why it is such a prominent game in the genre. It has a great story, cast of characters, and wonderfully diverse locations.
>>339817369
What were you expecting games to be like as a kid?
>>339816746
OP wants to know the appeal of D2, from everyone who it appealed to. Are you special?
who /n64/ here?
>>339820592
OP will learn it's appeal through my shenanigans if they pay attention. If you want to know why a game is good you don't ask the 12 year old that played for half an hour and wrote a review online, you ask hardcore fans that have put thousands of hours into it and thusly have gained a valid opinion.
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>>339807426
90' masterrace here.
Every chink cheap version of NES game
slav here
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>>339822296
Aka, OP. Just let it die, anon. I feel obligated to defend what I love from the opinions of /v/'s shittiest. They will all leave when they can't think of a reply.
