How can justify stealing software /v/? It's as simple as this.
Someone works to produce something, then you pay for it. There's no ambiguity in the exchange. You're stealing food and shelter out of people's hands and through some sort of twisted logic you attempt to make people defending their work the bad guys.
>>339795075
Fuck them, I can get free games
Whats the matter, goym, feeling bad cause your favorite companies are losing a bit of cash?
>You're stealing food and shelter out of people's hands
>stealing food and shelter from people with enough time and money to put together a video game
I'm not following
>>339795075
Majority people wouldn't have bought it anyways.
Dosen't hurt sales whatsoever.
Why do you think "drm free" games do so well?
Look at undertale for example.
LEGAL TENDER IS A CITIZENSHIP OBLIGATION
YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY HAND OVER MONEY WHEN YOU BUY SOMETHING, YOU HAND OVER THE CONCEPT OF MONEY
>>339795313
it's free advertisement really, I may not buy this game but if I enjoy it enough I may consider purchasing the sequel or another title from the same developers
If it's not indie, you're not actually paying the developers.
>>339795348
Are you saying that EFTs don't count as money?
Are you fucking insane?
>>339795075
No matter how many times i pirate FE Fates, it's still a best seller, i can't change the future.
>>339795348
Gonna use my conceptual money to buy some theoretical shoes and some hypothetical pants.
>>339795313
They don't all do well. The free rider problem is exponentially worse with them.
>>339795479
>consider purchasing
>when you already pirated the first one
whats stopping you from pirating the second one and just outright not buying it?
>>339795348
That's stupid. You don't play the concept of a game and money doesn't buy you the concept of food.
>>339795313
You're still enjoying the fruits of people's labor and not every game can be an undertale with a buying population strong enough to make up for thieves.
>>339795276
By the grace of buying customers who know how the transaction works and has respect for their media's creators. Not to mention the smaller studios banking on the sales of their game while living worse than hand to mouth.
how will they piratesplain their way out of this one?
>have income
>don't mind paying for things I want
What has become of me?
>>339795075
software isn't a physical commodity being taken from the premises, it's something infinitely copy-able that requires 0 resources to do so
>>339795313
>Majority people wouldn't have bought it anyways.
>Dosen't hurt sales whatsoever
lol this fucking guy
>>339795479
>free
Giving away your product for free is not free. Products have costs.
Stealing can be justified if you as a consumer are treated like shit for being a consumer.
Piracy can be justified if it's to preserve a game that would otherwise be lost forever
for an example
>game was complete
>was ready to be shipped
>parent company bought out by EA
>they say "nah fuck that, too violent and would hurt our rep"
>game gets cancelled
>all copies are to be destroyed or saved to an archive
Do you
>let EA have their way on something you worked hard on only to have it be treated as shit
or
>release it for free for anyone if they wish to have it even if you go against what your new parent company told you
In one end you get nothing, in the other end you give something back for free so you still get nothing.
Which do you choose?
This is basically the story of ThrillKill on PS1
>>339795756
Fuck off with that bullshit. I'm tired of seeing it.
>>339795739
It's simple.
1. Make "good" game
2.people buy
>>339795075
I generally pirate the first game in a series and buy the rest if it interests me. Recently did that with Trails in the Sky but I don't really justify it other than just being cheap and cautious.
>Someone works to produce something, then you pay for it.
Do you pay for all your porn?
Do you pay for all your music?
Do you pay for all your TV shows and movies?
Do you pay for all your anime and comics?
This entire site infringes copyright, or in your words, "steals" property every second of everyday. The concept, an image board, cannot legally function. The only reason 4chan can exist in the US is because threads are temporary. Reddit, by contrast, isn't an imageboard. That's not a coincidence. If the law could somehow work as fast as a 4chan thread, there would be no 4chan.
Has 4chan contributed to the Internet? To culture? Well, you're on it. Asking questions. I'd say the proof is in the pudding.
>>339795756
He didn't want the bike in the first place, man.
So obvious.
>>339795695
notice the word consider
I wouldn't have bought Witcher 2 or the second and third STALKERs if it wasn't for piracy
I even bought CoP eventually.
>>339795313
>Majority people wouldn't have bought it anyways.
>Dosen't hurt sales whatsoever.
You should look up "oxymoron"
>>339795853
You again?
It's still stealing. It doesn't matter how you are or aren't treated.
If the Feds found a reason, they could take you for everything you have in a heartbeat.
Would you imagine Da Vinci going apeshit and suing the hell out of everyone that has a copy of any of his paintings? No one gave him a single cent for a reproduction permission, they just went ahead, made a copy and sold it to people.
Developers should be thankful there are people nice enough to pay for their games.
>>339795985
And game companies steal assets from other games all the time and nobody will bitch about it either
whats your point anon
I pirate because I like free shit like any human being.
Pirates who make excuses for it are the worst.
>>339795075
How is it stealing? When I buy a pack of M&Ms, there is no DRM on sharing the contents with other people. The same should hold true for video games.
>>339795075
I'm gonna charge you $200 dollers for this single burger that everybody eats. Down the road someone is selling the same exact burgers for free. Now if you think that burger is worth $200, you can go and buy one.
>>339795075
if they make shit game then i'll just pirate it
if they make good game then i'll just pirate it
spend my money on ramen packets and women. u mad?
>>339795985
>It's still stealing.
Except for the fact that it isn't, legally and by the definition of the word.
Literally the federal government legally defines software piracy as Not Stealing and yet you chucklefucks continue to spew the same lobbyist talking points despite the fact that it's been refuted a thousand times over already.
>>339795813
people will be advertising games they weren't going to purchase for the developer in the first place if the games are good by discussing them online or with friends
it's the same as devs giving a youtuber an early beta copy of a game only less legal and on paper is wrong
>>339795854
>>339796030
They're public domain at this point.
Do you know anything about intellectual property law?
>>339795972
>>339795808
Should have stated;majority of people don't have means of paying or intention of.
>>339796073
Well you're not sharing half a game, either.
>>339796134
You would have an argument if copyright durations weren't continually extended to practically infinity so long as Disney is in buisness.
>>339795075
>You're stealing food and shelter out of people's hands
If this was true, I'd pirate a thousand copies of every EA game in order to starve the company to death.
>>339796107
You can get punished similarly hard, and functionally, you are doing the same thing, digitally.
>>339796062
But they do bitch about it. Lawsuits happen over it.
>>339795908
Didn't the DRM removal clause of the DMCA get stricken down?
>>339796223
But Van Gogh is public domain.
Do you want people to continue creating, or do you want a clusterfuck of IP stealing like China has?
>>339796284
>You can get punished similarly hard,
By this logic manslaughter and robbery are functionally the same thing. It's a false equivalency and you know it.
>and functionally, you are doing the same thing, digitally.
This is objectively incorrect, functionally, semnatically, and legally. You are functionally not stealing by making a copy without permission.
I justify it because it's there, and I'm fucking poor.
It's still illegal, and I can still get caught, so if I get busted for it I know what I'm getting in to.
>>339796284
>But they do bitch about it. Lawsuits happen over it.
on a regular bases they take world of warcraft assets to build their game world. sometimes they modify the assets slightly to make them seem original. its very common practice, yet youd only know this if you are in my line of the hobby.
if companies will steal from other companies, then whats the fucking problem at this point. lawsuits rarely happen unless its stealing a whole game from another developer.
>>339796407
It's almost as if there's a reasonable medium between no IP protections and IP protections that lasts 80 years
>>339796416
You are depriving them money for SaaS. You can't actually steal SaaS, since it is intangible.
What is the difference between playing pirated software and playing a demo disk? I am able to enjoy both without buying the publisher's game.
>>339796284
>You can get punished similarly hard,
Not really, considering software piracy is in most cases a civil offense whereas theft is always criminal.
>>339796134
I don't even know where to start with you, let's say da vinci is still alive, and their pieces are less than 100 years old, do you think he would get mad or he would be grateful to be known worldwide?
Companies started bitching about copyrights just for the money, nothing else, art should be free for everyone to enjoy.
>>339796496
You cannot steal potential monies.
Also nobody in the real world respects SaaS. People expect to own the copies they purchase, no amount of legalese and EULAs will change this.
>>339796169
You should look up "oxymoron".
Both of those are still lost sales, especially the latter.
>>339796568
> art should be free for everyone to enjoy.
So should food, water, housing and all that jazz. But it isn't.
>>339796539
Demo disks do not give unfettered access to the full game
>>339796568
You have a nice philosophy, but copyright protections exist to reward creators of art. Without them, why would anyone bother? It'll just get fucking stolen.
>>339796568
>let's say da vinci is still alive
Could da vinci still be alive?
>>339796681
SaaS is fucking huge, now. Look at every client-based video game. Look at SAP. Respect it or not, it's here, and customers' expectations do not affect ownership rights.
>>339795075
Companies try and get away with everything they can abusing the law. Scammy advertisements, demo footage, promises, PR lies. Why can they abuse the system and the consumer can't? Piracy is a grey area and no effective rules exist against it. You are just gonna have to deal with it as a game creator.
>>339795075
The odds of getting caught for piracy are incredibly low, and on average games are not worth their 60$+Season Pass price tags.
>>339796706
>So should food, water, housing and all that jazz. But it isn't.
Because scarcity equals value. Video games, at least modern ones, have no scarcity. There are literally infinite copies, so much so that everybody could own a copy. If food, water, and housing were so plentiful that we lived in a post-scarcity society, that stuff would be free for everybody too.
>>339796872
Actually, very black and white rules exist to punish it. Enforcing them is the difficult part.
>>339796765
>Without them, why would anyone bother?
For the love of art and the desire to create?
>>339797000
So anything digital should be free? Are you crazy?
Where would be the incentive in producing any software?
>>339797082
You can't feed yourself and afford a house off of good vibes.
>>339797021
>Actually, very black and white rules exist to punish it.
Nope, you are clueless. Clear rules exist against the one person who shares the files (in this case release groups).
There are no actual clear rules for people downloading, and every rare token victim of this has been the results of companies paying out the ass to try and get the government started on this matter.
Except germany that already has.
>>339797000
If everything digital with their limited copies (paintings weren't exactly something that could be shat out at lightning speed but you still thought it was good to have them 'stolen') nobody will fucking make anything digital.
Because they wouldn't make money and wouldn't be able to buy those "scarce" things you need to survive.
>>339797234
http://www.riaa.com/resources-learning/about-piracy/
>unauthorized copying is against the law
>>339796872
this
in the same manner falsely advertising a game is stealing food from and shelter from people who otherwise would not have bought it
come back with the company moral high ground when you stop being thieves yourselves
>>339795075
Free stuff. Stay mad.
>>339796706
ART, what kind of idiot confuses art with water and food.
>>339796765
I'm not saying creators should not be rewarded, they must receive some kind of payment besides praising.
There are countless of ways for them to receive money, figurines, special editions with goodies, that sort of stuff that can't be copied easily. Why not make "buy the figure, get the game" instead of "pay way more for this game to get this figure".
They owe everything to their fanbase, without us they wouldnt be shit, I'm not asking for free stuff, I dont want free stuff, I'm happy to pay for their work if I feel they deserve my money, but not everyone thinks like me.
If it worked before with shareware it should work now.
I found a better method, buying extremely cheap russian keys.
>>339795075
I don't justify it
I get my free games, I gloat, I make newfags cry
Deal with it
>>339797291
unlimited copies I mean.
>>339797387
>ART, what kind of idiot confuses art with water and food.
What kind of idiot thinks that all that -they- define as art should be free? Why would anyone produce art if they wouldn't get money for food or anything?
Why wouldn't I spend less or zero money to get a thing when I feel like it?
>>339797341
>music
Into the trash your argument goes.
>>339797387
Without copyright protections, people could make knockoffs of the branded products. EVERYTHING about the game could be copied and reproduce. Making it in the video game industry as a new developer as hard enough, and without any IP protections it would be nearly impossible. Bigger companies could steal your IPs and make better games with them and run you out of business.
Because I can
>>339795075
>>339795075
>How can justify stealing software /v/?
Is stealing from a thief a crime? Because it's like this.
>dev/publisher claims his game will have outstanding graphics
>game is out
>it doesn't have outstanding graphics
It's called "scam" and no one prosecutes publishers for doing it.
>>339795075
>the same people that go to youtube and listen to music, with adblock enabled
everyone is guilty. these threads are stupid because not a single person posting in them is free of guilt. be it movies, music, software, television, or photos, everyone has stolen at some point, and continues to do so each day.
>>339797548
https://www.maketecheasier.com/is-downloading-torrent-legal-or-illegal/
Does this better spell it out for you?
>>339797768
i use adblock on my own videos
>All these fags complaining about piracy while using AdBlock on all their favorite websites
I've had steam / psn accounts closed down from having my credit card stolen, thus loosing all games linked to the accounts so I stopped caring about pirating shit.
Also, it'd be nice if people gave demos out more so people could actually try a game before playing it to see if they like it and how well it runs on their computer.
>>339797641
People are already making knockoffs regardless, there are like a thousand CoD and DoTA clones in the market and that won't stop.
>>339797768
Blocking ads is a security issue, as they can contain malware.
>>339795075
I have multiple disabilities and am in pain every day. Playing games, watching movies, and listening to music help me cope. I also feel like they can help you grow as a person, if you use them for self-reflection.
I still buy stuff that I really like when I can afford it, but I feel like I would be left behind if I didn't pirate anything.
>>339797768
I've never viewed a piece of media I haven't paid for unless it was public domain.
>>339797717
>False promises = stealing
Hmmmm
>>339797470
Did you even read? This is why many people are milking the Videogame industry as fast as possible, it is retarded to force people to pay for enjoying their work, if it is good enough, people will throw money at you, no questions asked, if it isn't you can ask them nicely, you can offer them something else.
>>339797870
So is DRM.
>>339795075
"If you lend your friend a copy of a game you bought, you should go to prison for stealing" - OP
piracy is literally the same thing
someone had to buy it originally to get the files :^)
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>>339797810
>maketecheasier.com
Woah, I feel threatened.
>>339797962
How many people you know that gave money for Winrar?
>it is retarded to force people to pay for enjoying their work
You're unemployed, aren't you?
>>339797919
when buy it on the premise of the things it doesn't have, yeah it's a scam
>>339797919
>I can't read
False promises = scamming
Pretty much the very definition of it.
>>339798045
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/501
>>339798057
>enjoying
You are retarded, aren't you?
>>339795075
work is not a guarantee of pay
>>339798123
...but you can wait for reviews, can't you?
Unless they have a contractual obligation, they aren't breaking any laws.
these threads are CIA conditioning
>>339798267
I'm pretty sure the CIA has better things to do.
>>339798219
Furthermore, those devs got paid way before that game hit the shelves. Do people think that the developers go two or three years working without seeing a dime until the game finally ships?
>>339798213
>Fix someone's computer
>It took quite a long time but it's done
>Customer comes and gets it
>Thanks for the job and leaves without paying, because they can choose if they want to pay
Why would anyone pay if they can just get it for fucking free?
>>339798152
>>339798123
Scam =/= stealing. Scammers aren't thieves, they're scammers.
>>339798256
So what? Seriously, it doesn't change the fact that publishers are lying about their product to make you buy it. It's a scam and that's it.
>>339798334
Indie devs do.
You know, the ones who actually need sales?
>>339798383
>it's a scam and that's it
Regardless of your morals, it's legal.
>>339798375
So what?
Both are crimes. In both cases someone gets stuff he/she doesn't deserve. Stealing from criminal isn't bad in my dictionary.
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>>339798170
>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/501
>The legal or beneficial owner of an exclusive right under a copyright is entitled, subject to the requirements of section 411, to institute an action for any infringement of that particular right committed while he or she is the owner of it.
Well, I never got sent a letter, this means the makers of the games I pirated didn't care. It's on them to make use of their option to preserve their copyright, it is not by itself illegal to download files on the internet if the creator doesn't take any action. Piracy becomes illegal the moment the original creator sends me the letter, by law.
Once again, proven wrong.
>>339795247
First post, best post.
SHILL BTFO
Can't get smuger than this
Why is it so hard for capitalists to understand even an inkling of post scarcity economy?
I can understand if you don't like it, but how can you not understand this?
>>339798375
It's not the same shit, they asked for your services, well knowing that they had to pay. You spent YOUR time working on fixing a single computer, you couldn't do anything else while you were doing that.
You are awful at analogies.
>>339798458
It's not legal:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1038
>>339798504
Your goalpost moving is really hilarious.
>Stealing from criminal isn't bad in my dictionary.
So someone got criminal status from pirating. It's now okay to steal everything they own according to you.
So considering you literally are a criminal if you pirate, everyone is allowed to steal from you?
>>339798256
>justifying false advertising in any way
I'll just justify pirating then. I'm fine.
I pirate Nintendo games because they are expensive. If their wiiU and 3DS games were priced reasonably, and I know they move botloads of stock, I'd be more inclined to buy them but I'm just not paying Nintendo prices for their software especially when you gauge its true quality and the quality of hardware they're running in in accordance to current gen.
I paid $40 for witcher 3 which is a current gen game with current gen graphics and 100's of hours of content.
I'm not paying $60 for a fucking wiiU game that looks and plays like a last generation handheld port with questionable graphics and 2 hour long full playthrough.
>>339797880
You've never watched a movie or listened to a song a friend purchased?
>>339798646
And the people who spent time making the fucking game (you do realise people, up to hundreds, work on them, right?) don't deserve any money for the product they made because you deem it should be free and you'd rather have them all get booted (and end up with nobody producing games as a result)?
Ridiculous.
>It's not the same shit, they asked for your services, well knowing that they had to pay.
It literally is the same shit.
You can make the same thing about tangible product if that's what triggers your autism.
>>339798256
>Unless they have a contractual obligation, they aren't breaking any laws.
And pirates aren't breaking any law as long as they aren't the ones sharing the copyrighted files on P2P.
>>339798731
I'm the same as you. I buy a lot of games, and even bought some even after I pirated, but Nintendo and their refusal to have sales, and keep games that are old as shit priced at $40, makes me want to pirate all their shit.
>>339798671
It's really simple.
On one side you've got publisher who tries to scam as many people as it can, making hundreds of thousands dollars in process
On second side you've got consumer who tries to rob another side, who will save $60.
You don't really need to be expert to see that, but hey, you're just trolling, right?
>>339798538
It's illegal when you do it. Whether you have a claim levied against you is subject to whose software you pirated.
>>339798870
They really do keep their prices inflated and I guess its okay that people are willing to buy them at that price and support the company but I will pirate until they are realistic with their prices of software and the content it offers
>>339795276
You are a piece of shit. This is why there is PS4 exclusives, because of unapologetic faggots like you.
>>339798859
Yes they are, read the law on copyright infringement.
>>339798731
TW3's "hundreds of hours" of content is the same 3 generic points of interests plastered all over the map. TW3 has maybe 20 hours of unique content, maybe.
I hate it when people mistake actual length for spreadsheet simulators.
If whatever nintendo game required you to beat every level 50 times to unlock an optional skin, would that be more content? Please don't get tricked like the lowest level drone out there.
>>339799067
In which country?
>>339798904
You're literally trying to justify criminal actions while saying how it's okay to steal from criminals (which also means you).
All because fucking graphics aren't as good as they look (=BIGGEST FUCKING SCAM EVER)
Lmao
>>339795075
If it's old enough nobody gives a shit anymore.
>>339796067
Thank you. It's one thing to steal something and acknowledge its a shitty thing to do, but these faggots put a twisted morality on it to say that they are the good guys when all they are doing is keeping games people want to play locked to consoles. If you're going to do something shitty and selfish, at least dont try and make it into a heroic action.
>>339799128
The United States. Read the law on it.
>>339799279
Why would I give a shit about some other country's law?
>>339798857
Seriously, learn to read, they have been paid for their work, they don't receive a single cent for each sold copy.
You like analogies, I'll make an equally shitty one.
Some dude comes to you and asks for a fix for his computer, he pays you for that fix, let's say it is a program, some of his friends have the same problem on their computers, he shares your fix with them.
You got paid, why would you bitch about him sharing the fix with his friends? They can choose to pay you to get the fix from the source and be sure they will solve their problem or trust their friend and not receive any kind of guaranty.
>>339799101
Some of the side quests offer truly unique and interesting dialogue, there's a lot of it. Even if there is not as much unique main story content as I previously suggested, the overall build and scope of the game is still huge. I still feel like I'm being over-charged for Nintendo software when their games seem 50 times cheaper to make and develop, yet I pay more than games that that have 10 times the content and technical detail and every turn.
>>339799318
Just know that it is illegal in the US for when you talk with people from the US, which you inevitably will.
>>339799138
>You're literally trying to justify criminal actions while saying how it's okay to steal from criminals (which also means you).
Pretty much. But if you had applied some logic here then you'd knew that according to me stealing from criminal doesn't make me a criminal.
>All because fucking graphics aren't as good as they look (=BIGGEST FUCKING SCAM EVER)
That's your opinion.
Fact is - someone is lying to get your money. End of the story.
>>339799067
Which states that a company has a right to file copyright claims. It doesn't say the user is not allowed to download a videogame. It doesn't even mention the end user at any point in an active manner about what they can or can't do. It's all about the company actively fighting for it.
If they aren't fighting for it, it means it's not worth it for them (infact it isn't).
Since you bring out the law, that's how the law works. I'm sorry your destroyed anus is so filled with corporate cum that you cannot accept this, but, your rules, it's all about the law, remember? No morals.
>>339796067
My excuse is that I will pay for your game if the price makes sense for the game it's not hard to follow. If you are charging 7 bucks for a 30 year old game which should be free now anyways then I ain't buyin it.
>>339799392
>Seriously, learn to read, they have been paid for their work, they don't receive a single cent for each sold copy.
Yes and since those fucking games don't sell because "haha YOU CAN'T FORCE US TO PAY FOR YOUR PRODUCTS!!" they'll all get the boot and be unemployed soon enough.
If they don't fucking make the money back there's no sense to keep it running. Which again leads to nothing produced.
>You got paid, why would you bitch about him sharing the fix with his friends
That's an actually shitty analogy that has nothing to do with mine.
You say people shouldn't be allowed to force to pay for products and shit they provide which would again just lead to people getting everything for free with some random people maybe throwing one dollar at you.
>>339799491
And you want to give those same people the right to rape your ass in court on a whim?
Be my guest.
>>339796568
He would still be known worldwide you hack. He would be pissed when he's relegated to a damn janitor position because nobody paid him for his work, people just said "Yeah this is good and I enjoy it, cant wait for the next painting and I'll put in my two cents on how it should be made, even though I am not only not the target audience but not even a paying customer." and leave him high and dry.
>>339799454
And you just know that the US isn't the sole arbiter of copyright laws. If you want to make a moral or ethical argument, make it. Don't bitch about how it's against the law as if that's actually relevant when it doesn't even apply to every western country, much less the world over.
>>339799478
Stealing from a criminal is STILL a crime.
If you know someone has gotten fucking sentence over substance abuse or something do you seriously go and steal everything they own and then say "it's okay, he's criminal so I'm actually the good guy here!"
No. You'll be trialed for your crime.
How fucking delusional can you be?
>>339799664
Well I assumed you were from the US, as many users here are.
I'll feel remorse about pirating vidya the same day I feel remorse about pirating movies and music and browsing YouTube with ad block turned on. Jay-z, speilburg, and Notch can all cry into their fistfuls of hundred dollar bills. Cry about the indies all you want, capitalists seem to give enough of a shit about them that they will surely be okay.
>>339799742
Why would that matter unless your only argument is that there's a moral imperative to obey every law regardless of its efficacy or merit?
>>339799576
Yes, it's their right to notify me, catch me and fine me/send me to jail. I've always accepted it.
Until then, the act of downloading a game is not illegal. Copyright infringement happens the moment a company fights for it, not before.
>>339799592
Clothing doesn't have copy protection and yet high fashion seems to be doing just fine.
>>339799883
The argument was that it IS a law, which it is, here.
>>339799563
>>339799592
You don't understand how life works, noted, I'm going to assume you never go out and have never seen the countless of places where you can buy bootlegs and pirated versions of games, movies, music and even clothes.
You would lose your shit, most people are not only fine with piracy, they are against paying more than a few cents to get what they want, and if they can get it for free, they will get it for free.
>>339798856
>friends
no
>>339795075
The shit I pirated, I wouldn't have bought anyway. And it's not as if someone loses anything, since the games are digital.
>>339800013
That's not an argument, that's a statement.
>lend game to friend
>they get to experience the software and the game without spending a single dime
WOAH PIRACY
>>339800073
>99% people pirate a game
>1% buy
>They lost nothing because it's digital :^)
>trying to argue for ethics in a economic system that operates on the premise of exploiting the proletariat.
I'm not going to feel bad that I didn't spend 60 dollars of my 7 dollar an hour slave wage so that EAs shareholders and Ceo could make even more money. That's not going to ever make me feel like a bad person. Sorry.
If it's independently developed or sold yeah, but if it has big name publisher money behind it I don't care.
>>339800139
It was an argument, though. If you look here, a lot of people are disputing it.
>>339800182
Again, I wouldn't have bought the games anyway.
If your game is so shit and it doesn't sale then it's because it#s shit, not because of pirates.
I only buy games from developers I want to support.
For example my 3DS is hacked and with CFW yet I'm going to purchase Zero Escape 3 even though I could easily pirate it.
>>339800182
It's doubtful that 99 out of a 100 people cared enough to pirate a game without paying for it.
>>339799403
Technical detail in terms of graphics and environment interaction, but less technical detail about combat intricacies or character physics. At the end of the day, TW3's combat is prettied up buttonmashing that tricks you into being an action game, that is as technical as a 10 years old MMO.
I think it's just focusing resources and polish in different areas. I mean I have replayed Super Mario 64 more than 20 times because of the amazing momentum-based movement that can make the game fun without content; I will never even think about going through the slog that is TW3 or MGSV again after one playthrough.
You're still right about their recent minigames trend though, like Yoshi's woolly's world or SM3DW. They lowered their games' quality compared to what it used to be.
>>339795075
If I didn't steal it, I just wouldn't play it. Either way, they aren't getting my money.
yeah those poor companies spending twice the games budget on advertising.
if they are willing to spend so much money on shilling their game to normies then there will be enough normies to buy it anyway,no reason for me to spend anything.
>>339800657
>TW3's combat is prettied up buttonmashing
your fault for playing on easy
>see a game
>not really interested in it that much, not going to buy at this point
>decide to pirate it to give it a try
>play for a couple hours, love it
>buy the game I otherwise wouldn't have
>buy the other games in the series
>tell my friends about it and get them more customers
More games just need a demo or something, if it is free to try they may get more sales. I suppose you would also lose some every now and then for those people that buy stuff on a whim though.
I really just pirate or emulate shit that is either overpriced or I have no way of getting without importing.
>>339795075
>You're stealing food and shelter out of people's hands
They're stealing food and shelter out of my hand by charging more than it's worth
I only pirate overpriced shit like Sony vegas or after effects.
>>339797000
>Video games, at least modern ones, have no scarcity.
They're pretty scarce before they exist
>>339796124
>Joruto
Stop it, you can't cross both ends of the spectrum!
>>339795075
Metro reports that Sony is worth $17.7 billion
Microsoft's brand was valued at $62.8 billion
EA reported $3.8 billion
UBI Revenue €2,984.786 million
vivendi Total assets €49.180 billion (2013)
acti-blizz US$18.9 billion.
Me $45 canadian pesos in my savings.
I feel no guilt and barely find it stealing. Especially since the minimum salary for anyone at any one of these companies regardless of position is like 40k and only goes up exponentially from there. I'm not taking food from anyone. That isn't to say that I wouldn't pay if I could afford to.
>>339799592
You have no idea how the ultra rich think evidently, those people would be more than happy paying him tens of millions for some exclusive art
>>339795075
There are legions of retards who think like you do to support them. If they fail, it is because they deserved to. I am part of the minority, and when that changes, so will I. Until then, everything that I enjoy will be free.
Now take your arguement and apply it to porn.
>>339796807
Of course Da Vinci is dead you moron. Even though my inventions were great there is no way even a genius such as me would be able to live forever.
Capitalists don't hate piracy because they give a shit about publishers or developers or their families and if they are getting fed and sheltered. Capitalists hate piracy because they thrive off the belief that the things they pay for give them status. And nothing pisses them off more than the idea that the same status can be achieved by those they consider lesser (poorfags and piratefags).
>>339795075
>stealing is bad
I act in my self interest and if stealing is the best way for me to get something I'l do it.
Deal with it faggot.
I'l steal video games out of your own house and food if I can get away with it
>>339801479
>I'l
>I'l
>>339795075
Nah, they're only the bad guys when they're a group like EA where it's clear they're just a bunch of greedy fucks who don't give a shit about literally anything but money.
>>339801595
I'l make my own words if I want as well. Try stop me faggot
>>339795075
How can justify shitposting 4chan /v/? It's as simple as this.
Someone works to produce content, then you contribute to it. There's no ambiguity in the exchange. You're ruining OC and fun out of people's hands and through some sort of twisted logic you attempt to make people defending their good threads the bad guys.
>>339795075
>How can justify stealing software /v/?
How can justify it being so damn expensive?
>>339798390
And those are the games that I actually buy.
i cant count how many times ive put snacks into my pocket and forgot they were there until i was out of the store
somehow ive never been caught either
Goys, pirating ≠ stealing
When you pirate you make a COPY of the original product as in stealing you take it leaving nothing to the original makers hands.
Therefore you can "justify" almost everything you pirate but you gotta remember that the developers would be better off you just paying for it.
I only pirate games I don't think deserve the asking price for example most of the AAA-games are too pricy.
>>339805907
ecks dee
>>339806854
>/mo
Are you supporting my argument then?
>>339806851
In the past 10 years I only played 5 games that I actually enjoyed. 3 were indie, 2 were company games. I would totally buy the indie ones to support them, but I'm poor as well, so whatcha gonna do.
>>339807026
They did this because of "Piracy", im curious how much more or less they are making because of it. I would have maybe paid $40-60 for each piece of software, not $200 or whatever retarded price they had it at before.
But yeah this isn't any better.
>>339807113
Well buying them isn't the only way to support them. Suggest the game to other etc.
>>339807486
I only have one friend and he does not like the games I like usually. But when he does he sometimes buys them for me so we could play together.
>>339795854
>>339797871
Unfortunately that means you get left behind.
Basic human rights to no include Videogames - piracy means you're taking away from another.
If you can morally justify theft because of a disability, you're just as morally bankrupt as someone who morally justified theft because "they wanted it"
It's called dignity. Look it up
>>339795075
How is it stealing if the developer still has what they developed? They didn't lose it right? Of course not, they still have it in their possession. So how can it be stealing if I didn't take anything away from anyone?
>>339807527
Sounds like a good pal.
You have the whole internet to expose the game to. There have been multiple games I've caught to my "to play" list from here /v/ just because someone mentioned it and said it was good.
>>339807665
/v/ does not seem to really like my games either most of the time, or they do, and there's already a thread.
Jesus literally pirated fish and bread, so it's the Christian thing to do obviously.
>>339795075
Nothing to justify, it's theft.
Entitled pc user will continue to screw themselves and the rest of the pc gaming community.
Eventually game developers will figure something out, and the rest of the gaming community will suffer.
Standard practice of criminals
>got mine
>don't care if it screwed you over
>got mine
I'm half black, so the white genes can only slightly control my criminal instincts.
Hence why I pirate stuff instead of robbing grocery stores and getting shot despite duin nuffin.
>>339801479
So you're a sociopath. Wonder how all those happy relationships and life goals are going for you?
Not great? Oh, non-existent?
Hmm, I wonder why?
>>339807765
>Eventually the game developers make uncrackable denuvo
>AAA sales hit the dirt
>indie games stronger than ever and now have a "NO DRM!" as a strong statement selling point as well
noice.
>>339801479
I'd like too see you try, try me fuckboi.
I only pirate games I wouldn't ever buy. That's giving them a fucking chance. If it's a good game I'm going to buy a physical copy because I like owning physical copies of games, especially good ones. I'm not rich, I can't walk into a Gamestop and choose a game at random to see if I can be arsed to play it for more than fifteen minutes. If I couldn't pirate I wouldn't be trying out those games at all.
>Someone works to produce something, then you pay for it.
I work to produce software and art, and then I give it away for free. Handing out copies of data doesn't cost me shit.
You would look at an anime girl I drew if I posted it here but I bet you wouldn't be willing pay money to see it if I described the drawing to you. Are you stealing from me if I post it anyway?
I don't have to justify it.
>>339807987
indie developers are the largest victims of piracy, the only game I've pirated is an indie game.
Mfw it was game dev tycoon
>>339795075
IMO file sharing will eventually kill everything else except multiplayers because there´s no profit in making games that people will just steal for free before shitting on the game at online forums. Why you think Valve stopped making singleplayers like Half Life and are still updating CSGO/Dota/TF2 all the time?
>>339808132
No because you posted it on an open forum you moron.
If someone doesn't want to pay for a product, doesn't mean they have a right to steal it.
>You got a car, i dunno if i like it. I'm steal it and maybe pay you later fag hurr kek
>>339808132
devs gotta pay their bills too you know. if making games isnt worth even money anymore they´ll just go back to working in mcdonalds or to IT support squads and you´ll never get another Mortal Kombat as example.
>>339808312
I don't know man, I've only ever pirated multiplayer games because I can't see myself paying for that shit. A multiplayer game may be fucking gone in a decade and I wouldn't get my money back.
>>339808283
good indie games sell\get donated to
>game dev tycoon
>>339808409
>and you´ll never get another Mortal Kombat as example.
Good, it should've died years ago. I'll be emulating titles and patronizing the cream of the indie scene where fresh ideas can thrive.
>>339808283
>Not pirating all indie games
Remember when all the indie devs got butthurt as fuck once Steam started offering refunds?
>>339808428
I'm sure they're donations cover the losses they take from pirates
>>339808506
what the fuck gif
>>339808562
They can cry about refunds all they want, this is about piracy.
>>339808714
Reason why female soldiers should never be.
>>339808562
>all
Do the good ones some credit and restrain your brush stroke
>>339808404
>le fag hurr kek xd
Firstly, sharing information isn't stealing.
Secondly, I'd be glad to hand out copies of my cars if it were free - especially if a small chance existed that even one of the people driving a copy would return and give me 40,000 dollars. Why the fuck wouldn't I?
>>339808409
If I pirate Mortal Kombat and it's shit, those devs deserve to work at McDonalds. If it's a good game I'm going to support them by purchasing a copy so that there will be another Mortal Kombat in the future. What's so bad in this?
>>339808643
>making games as business instead of passion\art
deserved it.
>>339795075
I don't feel guilty about stealing money from EA or other corporations. They've made their choice to steal content from me by cutting it up and turning it into expensive DLCs, I'm just returning the favor.
>>339795075
If it's okay for them to copy it then it's okay for me to copy it.
If they hand code each program then I'll feel bad about it.
>>339807883
>implying
I care about people I assign value to. I don't just "care" for someone because someone says I should
>>339808109
Oops I did it again
>>339808562
Just the ones who made 1 hour walking simulators. The ones that made games are doing just fine.
>>339795756
If someone wizard came to my store with the ability to duplicate objects I'd let him take it
>>339795075
I'm broke af, at this point don't even care if I go to prison
>>339795739
>You're still enjoying the fruits of people's labor
usually those fruits are fucking shit
>>339795985
IDGAF about jews, fuck them
>>339797197
art should always be a hobby
Did 4chan get flooded by prepubecent boys that don't even remember that there were demos of most games and people usually didn't buy games without them right away?
>>339797768
ads make me hate the world
Because I'm too poor to buy them, but I still need an escape in the evening from the absolute misery my life has become.
>>339797197
That's why a lot of artists worked shit paying jobs that had 2-3 workdays per week and dedicated all their time to actual art and not jewing.
>>339809580
>have adblockers for 5 years
>never go outside
>decided to get back into "life"
>cultural shock as i go outside and gaze at every street and every wall and fucking everithing having giant ads literally everywhere
>>339808785
that pirating is fucking illegal and they got demos at cons and playstation store so people can try it out. if you pirate you´re a literal criminal and should be paying double in court to devs
>>339809868
>>339808865
>>making games as business instead of passion\art
>deserved it.
>making food as business instead of free, passion based hobby
you should end up homeless
>doing work anymore when it should be a free for scumbags to take advantage of your years of university-tier education
why bother? lets just all stop working coz obviously nobody deserves to get paid for it, even with more reason if they entertained you and made you delay suicide for couple years. Why bother.
>>339795075
In my country for a long time you couldn't prosecute pirates because there was no law against for what they're doing.
The law literally stated that it's not stealing.
If a person has no money then I don't see the issue with pirating, they aren't taking anything from the creator since they never would have brought it anyway. It benefits the pirate and the creator just continues to not get something he wouldn't have got either way.
A person with money pirating is bad and ust greedy. Also when I say person with no money, I mean a person who has not got money for much, not someone who just doesn't want to spend their money on the thing they want to pirate but wants to spend it on some other luxury.
Pirating isn't exactly fun, if you think most of them wouldn't rather simply buy the stuff then you're ignorant and stupid.
>>339810012
>art = food = labor
how strawman can you get?
>>339795247
ZIS IS BESTE ANTWORD SENPAI
>>339810040
based. where?
>>339795075
>Someone works to produce something
yeah, writing some words into some textfiles 3 hours a day for 2 years equals "work" which gets sold for 4000% of its production costs
>>339810063
>Pirating isn't exactly fun
fucking this
too bad official means are even worse, with always online drm, and fucking dlc jewing
>>339810040
it... isn't stealing
>>339810115
Finland, that was in like the 90's though
>>339797369
cute sheep
>>339809868
hello sonybrony
>>339810069
its not the same field of work but it´s still giving the dumb sheep what they need and filling the basic needs. for free of course since you only want the worst quality,
I mean come on you have to fucking pay almost nothing to experience a product hundreds of trained professionals worked on for over a year and it´s still too much.
You dont even know enough to realize file sharing is killing entertainment business in general at a really good speed
![zOjJLTI[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/PaKtsKG.gif "zOjJLTI[1].gif")
>>339808751
Yeah, because there are no instances of male soldiers fucking up like retards, right?
Or does you argument follow the notion that no one should be a soldier?
If so, how very idealistic of you.
>>339809868
I don't go to cons and there are many games with no demos or shitty demos that tell nothing of the real game.
>you´re a literal criminal
Pirating isn't even illegal in my country. Tracking my IP and accusing me of shit, however, is, so you're the criminal here. You should be paying me in court. What do you have to say for yourself? Fucking criminal scum, people like you are the cancer of today's society.
>>339810448
you're embarrassing yourself
>>339810406
you had one chance to show piracy supporters arent retarded and you skipped it. nice job.
>>339810181
Pirating is still not fun. Sometimes it comes with more benefits depending on the game but fun isn't a word I'd use to describe it.
>>339810629
i didnt say it was, official is just worse
>>339810501
you´re supporting killing the business coz you dont have a job to pay for normie exclusives. if anything is embarrassment it´s your small dick
