>higher tickrates
>community servers
>competetive mode
>nerf McCree
>buff D.va
I think these are the most important points. What do you think?
What's wrong with D.va? I play with her the most and she seems fine, she's not crazy good but not bad
Higher tick rate already solves a bunch of problems
>Bastion can now move in turret form, extra 100 armor
>McREEE doesn't have to reload and roll can be used again within 1 second indefinitely, after 1 second causes normal cooldown
>Lucio healing increased, alt fire range extended 10m
>Widow charge time removed, all shots considered charged, poison mine now does double damage and can place 6 at a time
This fixes the game
>>339708461
>Allow everyone to accept that the game has a low skill ceiling
>Change it from 6v6 to 12v12, make bigger maps to compensate
>>339708649
Retards are playing her like a frontliner and not an ambusher
>>339708461
>Who gives a shit
>its okay
>its already coming
>what is meta
>what is meta
>buff D.Va
Yeah, no. A good bit portion of people have already gotten to the point where they never leave their mechs unless they're ulting.
>>339708664
I'm so glad you're not in charge of balance you shitter, just being a sniper with a grapple already makes widow the most broken fucking character in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEN06UA9BrU
>>339708461
and they are doing all that in the next patch xD
make lucio's bullets increase in size as it travels
turning into a big black hole if it reaches half of the map's size
>>339708887
are you serious nigger, how fucking oblivious are you.
fucking lurk more summerfag
>>339708887
Is this bait? He wasn't being serious
>>339709015
>>339709068
He replied to himself, dumbasses
>>339708649
She's got terrible damage, you're a sitting duck outside the mech that you basically have to sacrifice every time you want to kill someone, and the ulti is extremely easy to avoid
>>339709212
also her headshot hitbox ist bigger than the fucking moon
>Fewer chokepoints in maps
>Remove all the tedious abilities which disrupt the flow of the game, like Mei's ice wall or orb of discord (it just makes you hide for ten seconds more often than it actually causes you to die)
>Remove all the abilities which require no skill on the user's part and have no counterplay on the enemy's part
>Remove infinite ammo and add ammo pickups, so that people can't just spam mindlessly all day
>Remove Widowmaker
>>339709376
>Remove Widowmaker
You spelled Mei wrong, my friend.
- scrap bland character designs and come up with good ones, and better humour
- scrap all maps except maybe route 66, make more intersting maps with more verticality
- scrap all ults and 'timers' for special abilities, and replace them with ammo consumption, nerf many of them
- replace hard counters with soft counters. rebalancae characters and physics to increase depth. e.g. make torbjorn's sentry use resources to build, replace pharah's specials with actual quake-style rocket jumping, etc
- give the user the ability to select which game mode they want to play. add symmetrical capture point mode.
- allow community servers, maps and mods, release mod tools
- remove crates and all cosmetics from the game
there, i de-casualized it
who unironically claims that mccree doesn't need a nerf is retarded. there's reason why pro teams have 2 mccrees almost all the time
>>339708735
Even if you ambush with her you can't kill anyone
>tick rate
Is this the new "2.5 sec GCD?"
>>339709656
nigga you just described pre-hatupdate tf2
>>339708735
>d.va
>is classified under tank role
>apparently people are retards for playing their role
"A tank is a character whose primary role is to absorb damage and prevent others from being attacked. Tanks are "meatshields", so to speak, putting themselves between the mobs and the more vulnerable party members."
the main problem with her is she is listed in the wrong role section. she should be under support
>>339709567
But mei is fun to play
>>339708664
This hothead is furious
>>339709732
Yeah, I'm definitely looking forwards to it
Remove Mei's wall ability, it's the easiest grief mechanic I've ever seen.
>>339709871
well if blizzard are trying to copy an existing formula they should at least do it well
>>339709732
>pro overwatch teams
You think before a big game they just stare into a mirror and wonder what they're doing with their lives?
better maps, and soon, and the fucking option to choose gamemode
this list isn't accurate but it's correct in saying that almost everything is shit
>>339709890
Nah, she should be on Offense. That's the only time she's useful. When she's actively seeking out stray targets and loners and finishing them off. As long as there's a group or someone that's concentrating fire on her rather than her teammates, she can't kill shit, loses her mech, and becomes a free kill
>allow modding
I want to play this game in 360° like this
https://youtu.be/f9v_XN7Wxh8
>>339710070
>putting shitty bo3 maps under "good tier"
>being this autistic
McCree and Mei need changes
>community servers
AHAHAHAA FAGGOT
Fucking PCucks and their shit "community" servers. Never once has that been good. I'm so glad matchmaking is standard for multiplayer now.
General modability. Custom sounds, huds, maybe even models. And change 20 tick, yeah.
And for fuck's sake
LET ME TURN OFF VIEWMODELS
>>339710259
Is this satire?
>>339709841
2.5 GCD just makes FFXIV slow, it doesn't make you die behind walls because the other player saw you plain in the open.
>>339710216
KOTH is literally the only gamemode that isn't chokepoint central and actually requires some sort of strategy
Give Pharah a side weapon and 25 or 50 extra health
>>339710098
lmao offense good joke anon. she has supportive abilities. offense would be a terrible fucking spot to put her under. mercy's gun does more damage than d.va's pellet gun, for instance
You think you want higher tickrate...
>>339710332
how i wish it were
>>339710259
>never once has this been good
>>339709841
FFXIV had a tick rate of 3, fucking 3. How much of a cuck do you have to be to defend that trash?
>>339710048
they make tons of money with no education or special skills while appearing to be having fun with it, so...no, not really.
>>339710526
>3
You're fucking with me
>>339710402
nah she just needs a way to be able to juke in mid-air
>>339710070
Swap Gibraltar/Volskaya and Route 66/King's Row and this is an acceptable tier list
>>339710383
>some sort of strategy
you mean lucio + mercy + offensive heroes?
>>339710627
King's Row and Gibraltar are completely awful though, King's Row especially so
Route 66 and Volskaya at least have ways to round around
>>339708461
McCree aint OP and D.VA aint underpowered.
>>339710593
There's a reason the AoEs are so finicky if you try to avoid them at the last second.
>>339708461
Higher tickrates are in the game. That "High Bandwidth" option I didn't know about myself until recently actually does to 60Hz.
HOWEVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0zbpPCdhGk
EVEN IF YOU DO GET A CUSTOM GAME GOING, 60Hz CAUSES CONSTANT SERVER RESTARTS
GG BLIZZ
>>339710593
They specifically had to hotfix a raid boss because the tick rate was so shit avoiding his instant death cast was impossible sometimes.
>>339710070
>Travelling to Hanamura
>Travelling to Temple of Anubis
>>339710259
what are you even implying? that community servers in any game are bad? css/csgo has surfing and bhopping, both of which have thousands of active players. tf2 has rocket jumping. are you autistic? can't believe I fell for this b8
>>339708664
the absolute madman
>>339710416
What fucking supportive abilities does she have?
Her only real strength is being a bullet sponge, and extreme mobility because of her quickly recharging jetcharge.
How the fuck is she a support, what the fuck kind of support can she give?
She's physically a tank, but she's only useful when she's utilizing her mobility to flank and take out unaware targets. Against anyone aware she's shit, and around her teammates she's absolute shit since then people aim for her rather than her teammates which means she's going to lose her mech and be fucking useless
>>339710741
>>339710772
Jesus Fuck, is the what was up with that? I thought I was just lagging hardcore for some reason when I tried it.
How the fuck do people find that acceptable?
D.Va's buff is inevitable. But the question is: how are they going to fix her?
I think the best solution is to remove the speed decrease when she's shooting
>>339710070
> Dorado, Hollywood, 66
> Bad
> Numbani, King's Row
> Shit
You're literally bad at the game.
The only full shit map is temple of anubis mostly because as attacker you have minimal chances of success due the fucking pillars protecting the defenders.
>>339710718
Nice joke anon
>>339710810
should really have those two in their own unplayable tier
>>339710921
Based off the post they made, probably lower the CD on her rockets, because they like her doing the same damage if you hold M1 or if you spam melee I guess.
>>339710931
They're bad not because they're bad all the way through, but almost all of them have really, really awful final points (except Numbani which has an okay last point but is otherwise fucking shit). King's Row is the biggest offender here, but Dorado is also really bad.
>>339710820
Been playing PC games longer than you faggots. Shit is low brow for fucking faggots like you. Only stupid faggot homos want servers.
>>339708461
Just make it into a porn game. Literally solves every problem it might have.
>>339711070
is it summer already?
>>339711034
Numbany has pretty much the same "Z" section at the end, just reversed.
>>339708461
1. Yes.
2. Maybe
3. Yes
4. No.
5. Yes
>>339711134
Are you a faggot already? Yes.
>>339710820
>Alright time to play some GAME!
>This server looks good, I wonder how my ping will b-
>WELCOME TO GAME (100% CRIT CHANCE)
>Oh, ew, that's retarded. Alright, what about this server?
>WELCOME TO GAME - MOVEMENT EXPLOIT IS NOW A MINIGAME!
>Jesus, that's retarded, too! Where are the people who just want to play GAME?
>WELCOME TO GAME (Trading Server)
You can have your community servers back when you prove that you aren't a bunch of faggots.
Still can't believe it has 20 tickrate
It should be 60min, what the fuck Blizzard
>>339711070
>MMR based only, nationality, personality and fucking language speaking irrelevant
>Not having a server where one chill guy can kick to make room for friends, kick AFKs, kick retards having a tantrum or people unable to speak English in a semi-competitive mood
k
>>339711223
>4. No.
Can't play anything else?
>>339711286
Why are you joining those servers in the first place when there's literally a tag system and a map search to prevent that? You're the victim of your own retardation.
>>339710259
Not sure if bait but ironically I agree with your point.
Community servers just add garbage modes that only bronies, for some wackass reason, like to hang out.
It also encourages idiots to try and be friendly outside of these servers "because I had fun doing nothing xD" and so they take their mindset somewhere else, ruining games as they go by.
So yeah, fuck community servers.
>>339710867
>What fucking supportive abilities does she have?
defense matrix, it's a support ability. ever heard of it? prob not cuz you've never played the game. you're probably basing all your information on livestreamers. can tell this is already bait
>She's physically a tank
she is the squishiest of all tanks, and this is coming from a mercy main. she's a big pink target on the field, and has no defensive abilities. she LOS's the healer most of the time, and her ULT isn't even crowd control, unlike rein's or zarya's
>being this autistic
>>339711370
>Implying people have ever used tagging of servers correctly
lover the price to twenty dollars on all platforms
it's now worth how much money you're paying for it
>>339711391
>>339710259
>they have never been a regular to good community servers with good players, a good map pool, and good settings
I just pity you people, I really do, but then you go on and spout garbage about not needing community servers and you just come across as fucking idiotic. Even if you're stupid enough to think that they're always bad, you can just... not join them.
>>339711414
She is a tank solely because of her second wind. She never really dies, and always comes back. Meanwhile you try to tank with winston and if you reach 0hp you die
>>339711414
>Mercy main
how big of a cuck can you get
>i hold left click on people
>sometimes i use right click
Have they given an actual valid and legitimate reason why the tickrate is so low?
>>339711467
>let's increase the rate of cheaters, squikers, blyads, hues and toxic scum
yeah no
>>339708684
12 winstons incoming
>>339711467
>Mooooooooooooooooooooooom Overwatch is 20 bucks
Yeah no, 60 is fine.
Game already has enough retards going alone thinking it's CoD.
>>339711423
Almost all tagging is automatic, so yes.
>>339711540
> hold
> not changing to toggle
>>339711565
>Russians are dominating the game in EU and bring the skill average way down
Brilliant plan faggot, it's like as if it isn't just a meal or something to pay for OW outside 1st world countries.
>>339711565
>lets make product's price match what you're getting.
how about yes
>>339711556
Yes.
>>339711556
The reason is because it used to be an MMOFPS with the same server architecture as WoW (which also had 20 tick)
>>339710921
That or give her some kind of an alt-fire so she can at least compete at mid-range.
It's rather pathetic that her DPS sucks even at close range unless you aim at the head.
>>339711414
Defense matrix is absolutely shite. It lasts for only a few fucking seconds, and you can't fucking attack while using it. It's a less useful version of Reinhard's shield, except it's not even close to as good at protecting your teammates.
Is her shitty fucking defense matrix the only fucking reason you think she should be support? Because anon, even I didn't think you were going to be this retarded
>>339708461
>never lag in any online game
>OW averages at 140 ping
I just want this latency shit to end
>>339711528
it's called a custom game with friends you moron, maybe you should try getting some
>>339711540
>implying healers in any game require skill
take wow for instance. you click 1, 2, and 3
and also lucio is requires less skill than mercy is. he just walks around people
>>339708461
explain tickrate
>>339711528
I used to hang out in Skial in TF2, amazing players there and a few hackers. But they removed servers blaming it on Valve.
Oh hey, another reason why community servers are not needed! They can disappear any time they want.
I've been to community servers, they're nothing special pal.
One day you get epic matches and some other day you get paired with idiots.
Where does that happen too? Oh that's right! In Matchmaking!
>>339711414
>Matrix is a support ability, not a defensive ability
>being an Maintard in Overwatch
>being a fuck HEAD AN SHOLDAS "main"
Shut the fuck up.
No, really, shut the fuck up. By your logic Reinhart is a support, and every single person here, even you, can agree that that is retarded.
D.Va's problem is that she has the kit of a flanking brawler like Winston, but her critbox taking up 90% of her center mass makes her the worst character to flank and try to catch people with.
If they want her to be a flanking ambusher, they need to lower her MASSIVE FUCKING HEALTH BAR, remove the critbox entirely on Mech form, tighten up the damage spread, up the damage through the roof, and add a magazine to her M1. If they want her to be a massive fuckoff tank with initiation potential, they still need to remove the critbox, remove her snare on M1, and let her grab people like Reinhardt can with her rockets.
Either way, the problem with D.Va is not her numbers or cooldowns, it is that her kit is retarded, likely caused by her being such a late addition to the game.
>pick healer or sniper
>fucking terrible at it
>feel bad switching to a hero im good at because then someone else has to take my place
>>339711717
>Is her shitty fucking defense matrix the only fucking reason you think she should be support?
that, her armor, and her ULT. if she is to be an offense hero then buff her "pellet gun" by 5,000%, maybe then it will match that of every other offense hero's damage
>maybe
>>339711946
that makes no sense
>>339708461
>Let's make this game gud
make it third person
the only thing blizzard can do these days is make nice looking models, so they should show those off more.
>>339711528
>my best friends are from the internet :^]
Pathetic. KYS.
>>339708461
>Buff D.va
You've never played against a good D.va have you? I was in a game last night and there was an enemy D.va who was pushing our shit in so hard I had to check if they stealth buffed her.
>>339711987
She's a tank her, her only usefulness is as an offense hero.
She has absolutely no supporting abilities other than her ult. Her defense matrix is a defensive, bad, ability.
>>339711717
>>339711987
Her damage is fine, just needs either less spread or a slighly higher damage output. The real issue here is her snare when she starts firing. You can't possibly chase anyone besides maybe zenyatta.
>>339708649
She's not a tank
>>339711528
Brilliant idea, let's split the community!
>>339712037
A good D.Va is always countered by a good team without exception
>>339710619
maybe a right click that blasts a second jet in the way youre facing? not as strong but strong enough to propel through the air
>>339711835
I main because no one else wants to. if you main anything other than a healer you're fucking retarded, because you use different heroes on different maps, but healers are always needed
>>339712114
Yeah. The slowdown when shooting is really retarded for someone that does no damage outside of cqc range.
>>339711987
If her defense matrix makes her a support hero then soldier 76 is a support hero too because he can heal or zenyatta is an offense hero because he can debuff enemies and melt them faster than offense heroes
>>339711528
I used to have a Demoman pill timer but the "community servers" I hanged out with all went sv_pure on me because lol valve hates mods now.
I am so glad Blizzard understands the importance of the timer and they added one to Junkrat.
>>339712037
you must suck major dick. i never had a problem to counter her with any hero
Give Tracer some actual damage
>>339708461
I wanted to like this game, but I have huge problems with it. I dont know if its because I suck.
1. Most characters are slow as fuck, and have no quick way of getting across the map. You die pretty quickly around 1-2 minutes, so a quarter of your game time is just getting to the fight (if you dont have a teleport). Plus, when you need to get to the roof or something, you cant just walljump (on most chars), you have to slowly go by the stairs.
2. The game is set up so you can be killed without the ability to prevent it. Giving some kills to everyone, but making skill less important.
3. Maybe its just me, but the maps feel all the same to me, just different theme.
4. Few modes. Add more modes that are fun, like capture the flag.
I feel that 99% of developement went into the characters, and the rest of the game got sidetracked.
Is this just me?
>>339712218
>I main classes other people find boring
>look how special I am
>>339712309
A good tracer can destroy any tank in seconds
>>339709732
what's that reason? mccree looks fine to me. only thing he can do is flashbang-fan, nerf that and nothing remains and he will never be played again
>>339711528
>Go to a "serious" community server
>Mods have special privileges like auto aim
>Wreck their shit. Don't even say a word.
>You have been banned for racism
Oh yeah, those glorious community servers.
>>339712263
>then soldier 76 is a support hero too because he can heal
because he is? he is just marked down as offense because of his other abilities
also zenyatta lmao people actually play him?
>>339708461
>People say the tick rate isn't a problem
>I've noticed it in literally every single game I've played
It's like those people saying 24 FPS is the most the human eye can see.
This shitty tick rate is really fucking ruining the game. How did anyone at Blizzard think it was acceptable?
>>339712327
>4. Few modes. Add more modes that are fun, like capture the flag.
Enjoy every team stacking tracers with maybe one support (lucio) and a tank
>>339712309
What? Nigga I main Tracer. She wrecks shit I am scared she might get nerfed.
>>339712380
>I'm in denial because I couldn't find a rational response
>>339712454
>also zenyatta lmao people actually play him?
Corageous people
>>339710070
OBJECTIVE TRUTH.
>>339712396
the problem is that his e+right click combo can even fuck up tanks. it's too much. also his left click is basically a sniper without scope
>>339712512
>I am scared she might get nerfed.
pretty sure her blinks are getting nerfed
>>339712463
How does one notice tick rate?
I realize it's like FPS in that you don't really notice it until someone points it out, but what am I supposed to be looking for? Stuff like dying after I run behind a corner?
Not disagreeing that OW's is bad, I'm just having trouble noticing. Maybe because I haven't played an online shooter in so long.
>>339712454
Use his fucking discord orb damn it. Also stay behind your team. Zennyatta is NOT a fucking front liner.
Once you realize how wrong you were using him you'll see how much of a powerhouse he is.
>>339712613
>Anubis
>Good
Yeah only if you're in Defense.
>>339712463
>>339712647
You can easily notice a bad tick rate by runnign to cover. Even when behind a wall you're still getting hit for a few milliseconds
HIGHER
THICKRATES??????
>>339712613
Ilios can fucking suck it.
Worst map for all three points. 0/10. Lijang Tower on the other hand is excellent but unbalanced.
>>339708735
Or, you know, she's underpowered and not a very good ambusher. She's so slow while firing which makes getting away from her extremely easy while she's trying to kill you. Winston is way better at the job.
Her ultimate is also the easiest ultimate to avoid.
How to fix D.va:
Give her a secondary missile attack that is a miniature phara ult.
my only complaint is widowmaker. I think the game would be alot more fun if she was simply removed. the character is anti fun. I don't play overwtach because i'm looking for a hardcore competative game. I play it as a casual game. I like to mess around with the fun characters like Mei but as soon as a good widowmaker shows up she HAS to be dealt with. you CANNOT let a good widowmaker run uncontested. she ends all fun. no other character has this sway over a match
>>339712639
[citation needed]
>>339710070
I suck tons of dick on the daily and you still manage to be a bigger fag than I am.
>>339712647
The easiest way is to compare how you died to the kill cam. They're almost always different.
What will happen commonly is you get killed while being behind cover, but the kill cam will show you as not being behind cover. But there are times when you can activate a skill that should save your life (like Meis freeze, Genjis reflect or any shield) and still die when it shouldn't have been possible. And again, the kill cam shows you dying before the skill activated.
These are related to low tick rates.
The game is generally very balanced except for a few things that are mind boggling desu
>Mei should have 200hp not 250 considering her survivability
>Widowmaker should not be able to shoot until it's at 100%, it's ridiculous when she is a shitter and hits the legs instead of the head but it doesn't matter because she can instantly shoot again to finish them off anyway. Snipers should be punished for not making that one shot count
>McCree should not have all that DPS for so little effort, I understand that he's supposed to be like a Genji/Tracer counter but the way they designed him is lazy and works against the entire cast
>Zenyatta should have 200hp
>>339712542
No, I stand by what I said.
You're a attention whoring little twat that thinks you're special for putting up with a class that makes you feel more useful than usual.
Maining is for retards. I play at least 1 class from every role and pick and choose among them depending on my mood and what I think will benefit my team.
Maining classes is an egoistical way to unbalance teams and to only be good at one fucking thing in a game that has so many ways to play.
>>339712463
I'm hoping that the current tick is a temporary thing to save bandwidth while they handle the initial launch load, and that once numbers start to die down they'll improve it.
Of course this is Blizzard we're talking about so I don't know why the fuck I'm hoping for anything
>>339712501
Lol, didnt think about that. Maybe slow down the flag bearer?
>>339708461
>how do we make the game better
make it about being skilled with a class, rather than counter picking the other team.
>>339712896
>The easiest way is to compare how you died to the kill cam
Kill cams never use the same tickrate I believe Even the game had a 128 tickrate killcams would look off
>>339712501
This game does have an Engineer, however forgotten he may be. Maybe remove Tracer's blink if she's carrying the flag or something so she can't zip in and then out no problem.
>>339713069
The kill cam is what the server sees is happening and what is bases all of it's decisions on. The lower the tick rate is, the less of a difference there will be.
>>339712981
>>339713120
Hanzo and Genji climbing walls
Genji using his dash
Widowmaker using her thingy to climb shit too
>>339712937
>considering her survivability
what survivability?
She has absolutely no fucking mobility. If I see a frozen Mei, all I do is walk behind her frozen ass and shoot her in the back when she unfreezes
>>339708461
>tone down ults
>limit repicking
>>339713138
If she plays on a good team she will have someone to back her up immediately, and then wall out her enemies. I don't think she's completely broken like many other people do but I don't see any justification for her 50 extra hp
>>339712976
>implying I ever boasted about me being a healer
couldn't care less about that. and I've stopped counting how many times I've saved squishy <250 health heroes like yourself from certain death. if you think healers are useless then pls keep in the level 1-50 brackets and never come out of them.
also I've never seen people complain about others maining what they want until OW, considering most guilds on WoW have their own mains. lay off the bandwagon nigger
>>339712501
>Capture the flag on a class based game
That sure sounds fun:
> 3 torbjorns camping the flag
> 3 tracers trying to get the opposite flag
> People get bored so they just do a sniper match
Yeah, how aout no?
>>339713282
>Blizzard can't figure out how to do literally the barest bones of game modes
>>339712327
>Plus, when you need to get to the roof or something, you cant just walljump
ONE OF MY BIGGEST PET PEEVES.
>HEY LOOK WE'RE BLIZZARD LOOK AT ALL THESE CHARACTERS WITH SUPER GOOD VERTICALITY ISN'T THIS FUN
>BUT YOU CAN'T LAND ON ROOFS
>YOU'LL JUST SLIDE OFF AWKWARDLY
>>339713279
Those Disney/Pixar tier animations make wonders for the game.
>>339708664
>make bastion move in turret mode
No, you missed the whole fucking point of turret mode. Bastion needs a legit rework. Maybe something like restrict healing to recon mode, give him a 400 point shield in turret mode that only covers his front. And put a 15 second cooldown on transformation so you can't just keep swapping between modes and actually have to make a choice on whether to swap modes. Oh and maybe give him a right click in recon mode that shoots a grenade that does good knockback or something, put it on like a 4 second cd. Bastion players need incentives to get up out of turret mode and use recon mode and they need to be forced to choose when to use either mode.
>>339712647
snipers can headshot each other at the same time
>>339713363
This is so fucking stupid, I've died too many times as Genji because I see a slightly sloped roof and assume I can stand there, but then it's apparantly covered in invisible molasses and I get sniped down while gliding off.
Meanwhile there are plenty of other sloped surfaces high up people can stand on. I really don't get the design behind it. It seems completely random.
>>339713360
You know, capturing and pushing the cart is essentially the same shit.
Except the entire team is focused on bringing the flag home while the opposite team is trying to prevent it.
They already figured it out, retard.
>>339713420
>give him a 400 point shield in turret mode that only covers his front
He had a shield in turret form but blizzard nerfed him and removed it
>>339713279
>squishy <250 health heroes like yourself from certain death
Stop projecting. I can survive well without a crappy healer with Roadhog, Mei, or 76
If you actually wanted to be useful to anyone you'd main Lucio anyway
>>339713501
Pretty sure payloand and intelligence are two completely different modes in TF2 that work differently and require different team comps
>>339711414
So blocking damage is a support ability? Ok zarya, Reinhardt, winston, and mei are all supports now.
>not understanding that to win on anubis/hanamura you need a mobile offense to get through the gaps like Pharah/Genji
>>339712542
"I got called out on jerking myself off so now i'm gonna call the person irrational to show everyone how mature I am!"
>>339712937
Mei needs her health lowered simply because of her freeze.
I think Zenyatta should have 175hp and more shields, as is one of the highest DPS heroes in the game. 175 would make him not get killed by a full-charged widow bodyshot (which deals 150). His speed also needs to be increased.
D.VA needs a buff as she's literally shooting rubber pellets out of her MEKA. Lower damage falloff/the ability to regenerate health with defense matrix/ would make her a bit more viable imo.
>>339713420
>bastion needs a rework
git. gud.
INCREASE THE FUCKING TICKRATE BLIZZARD YOU GREEDY FUCKS. THE GAME COSTS 40 DOLLARS AND YOU HAVE MANCHILDREN SPENDING 3 TIMES AS MUCH ON LOOT BOXES
>>339712937
And Pharah should have 250hp
>>339713501
>Attack/Defend King of the Hill is the same as Capture the Flag
>Escorting is the same as Capture the Flag
Overwatch players everyone.
>>339713215
Genji can only use it every 8 seconds or so. So 3 chars out of 21?
>>339713282
Jesus christ, it wouldnt be that hard to figure out. Slow down the flag bearer ( or just let the tanks use it) . Or make 2 flags, one for each team.
Still, it was just an example. What Im saying is that Overwatch NEEDS fun modes. Its a game that is fun for 30 minutes, then you get bored.
>>339713494
the roofs that have too high of an advantage for turrets or too easy to troll wiith are made slippery, learn the fucking maps
>>339713590
>If you actually wanted to be useful to anyone you'd main Lucio anyway
I do, on KoTH maps
>>339708649
Literally everything
Tried to play her as frontliner but her shield sucks
Tried to play her as an ambusher works pretty gud but her damage sucks so bad
>>339713602
Yeah 2Fort is definitely not a sniper duel 24/7 with 4 engies at all times in the flag. Meanwhile a scout and a soldier are the only ones actually going for the objective.
So much fun.
Give Zenyatta a double jump.
Low health encourages him to stay off the front line which is fair on account of his huge damage potential, but he deserves a bit more mobility at least.
>>339713282
CTF worked just fine in TF2.
>>339713714
no she doesn't, she can fly away whenever she's in danger of death. Her shift+E used together will also take you further.
Tickrate is the only legitimate problem, everything else is balance shit or unnecessary
Please just give these fucking shitters that I get matched with a TDM or Arena mode. I'm tired of seeing Reaper, Tracer, Genji, and 76 on Defense because some kids want to raise their KDA.
>>339713725
In theory it is. You're trying to get their flag and then delivering it to the point.
It's one sided, sure, but it's pretty much the same shit.
Just wait for payload race or some shit.
>>339713908
>she can fly away whenever she's in danger of death.
Flying just puts her in bigger danger
I debated with my friends that Mcree would be fine if the fan was removed and replaced with a melee that did a set 80-100 damage on a cool down or something. It could be something to do with the robot hand or whatever.
The flashbang as it is works if he has to use primary fire, because then he has to get headshots and can't just delete you with the absurd damage of fan.
Or they could change the flashbang to a straight blind, so you can ability out if it.I don't think Mei is unbalanced, but I find the wait of a Mei lining up a headshot when you're frozen much more frustrating than being flashbanged
I would change Widow so the charge takes longer or that a fully charged body shot only does 125.
Also how much does an uncharged headshot do? My time as Sniper in TF2 doesn't transition well into Overwatch, and I was pretty good at popping people in TF2.
My other gripe is Zenyatta, I think if he had the orbs last until death or replacement like before he would be on par with Mercy and Lucio.
>>339713813
apparantly she used to have better damage but that was broken. I can see why. You already get free kills by flying into a pharah or widowmaker and shooting them while they desperately strafe.
She could need a buff but I'm not sure what, maybe just lower cooldown on her flying and shield, and faster walking while shooting. She's not too bad if you know where to find medpacks.
>>339713957
>Just wait for payload race or some shit.
the game will have to go down in price for me to buy this shit
>>339712613
What exactly makes Gibraltar good? That shit feels tedious for a payload.
>>339714046
>"contributing" to these threads anyways
kys
>>339714117
OP wanted to know how to make the game good.
putting it at a fair price is a good start.
>>339714082
I like it because it has varied stage design, but at the same time I dislike it because a good Widowmaker will dominate on it
>>339713731
> Modify the heroes to suit a game mode
Yeah, let's worry about balancing heroes just to have an extra game mode.
> Its a game that is fun for 30 minutes, then you get bored.
So basically you want an extra mode just to get 10 more minutes of enjoyment out of it?
I am someone that used to play dustbowl 24/7 nonstop and never got bored. Even today I can still jump on it.
Not sure what your problem is.
>>339709656
You are the least fun person on /v/. God dammit I hate you.
>>339713960
That depends on who is playing against her. If there's a widow shooting you 250hp isn't gonna help you (same with roadhog hooking you). Pharah is only viable in certain compositions - very effective but easy to counter. I don't think Blizzard should try to make her more viable in other situations.
>>339714172
so price affects the quality of a game now, does it?
>>339713780
Tank with a thick meaty cock here, heal me babe?
>>339714172
40 bucks is fine without necessary paid DLC and I'm a major poorfag here
>>339713908
Not when Sniper Duel 2Fort exists.
>>339714267
You know where a good widowmaker dominates? Dorado. Extremely difficult to attack if the defending team has a good widowmaker
>>339713908
It worked fine in a pub enviroment, not so much in a competetive one.
>>339714046
Why are you even here bitching about something you haven't played then?
>>339712309
Tracer can kill any 250>= hp character in one mag. Learn to flank closer and aim for the head.
>>339710070
>Kings Row shit tier
Ahahaha ok, just the best map in the pool.
>>339714336
>>339714290
>so price affects the quality of a game now, does it?
it affects if the game is worth the money, and Overwatch isn't, especially with microtransactions.
>>339714446
>if you didn't suck blizzards dick you never played the game.
>>339714172
>didn't go on /v/ before buying game
>didn't go on any video game news outlets
>BUY NOW $60.00
I'm still mad. Fucking Blizzard.
>>339712512
>maining tracer
F A G G O T
>>339714495
>microtransactions boogeyman
you didn't even try it during open beta did you?
>>339714495
>>if you didn't suck blizzards dick you never played the game.
The fuck are you talking about? I didn't even mentioned Blizzard.
It's simple logic retard. You get no say in games you haven't played.
ANY fucking game, not sure how you're trying to assume shit here.
>>339714508
It's only 60 bucks if you're that faggot who plays FPS on console
>>339714372
The worst is the part with the market/fountain. Only reliable flanking entrance is the wall by the large medpack, but chances are they have a thorbjorn with an upgraded turret on the other side so even Genji can't get to the widowmaker easily
>>339714582
>infinite levels
>except after a few days of play if you want anything you have to give us shekles
add into how Blizzard handles literally every other game now, why would anyone want to give them any kind of money?
>>339714343
Isn't sniper duel 2fort an issue only on valve servers with inexperienced players though?
I don't think I'd like a CTF in overwatch anyway, I'd rather have the devs focus on more maps or multiple-point KOTH
>>339714434
Fair enough, I never played much CTF anyway.
>>339714495
>"putting it at a fair price is a good start [to make the game good]"
>"it affects if the game is worth the money, and Overwatch isn't"
quality =/= value
try again.
>>339714557
What's the matter? Can't handle the blink?
>>339710259
Matchmaking is the bane of video-game communities.
It's communist console tier trash that does nothing for the longevity of a game. Absolutely fucking nothing. Paired with shitty Elo systems that only make from stomps left and right.
>>339714656
>thinking the game is worth 60 dollars
holy shit, you WoW players are retarded
>>339709376
Sounds like the game is just too casual.for you. Although I agree with the chokepoints. But all your other suggestions break the game, it's supposed to be pretty casual. Infinite ammo is fun and is needed for soaking and such, having to look for ammo would break the flow of the game. A main component to the game is time, and mei is good at wasting your time and apparently so is zenyatta if you decide to hide with discord (although he can see you nigga you ain't slick, he knows where you are)
Your complaints are valid though, if these things annoy you then that's cool. I'm just saying the game probably won't change in those ways because it was designed a certain way and those changes would break the game.no comment on the abilities requiring no skill, if I try and argue that most if not all abilities require some form of skill it'd probably void everything I said and all my replies would just be the "git gud" arguement
>>339714475
>any 250>= hp character in one mag
Sorry, that should be anyone under 300 hp. If you get the flank on a deployed Bastion you can easily kill him in one mag by shooting his glowing blue critbox.
remove Tracer.
she's fucking useless and only waifufags use her because they feel like they're somehow helping their team by staying alive for longer despite not actually contributing at all.
Don't nerf her, don't buff her, just fucking delete her and retcon her from the lore.
>>339714715
As someone who avoids valve servers at all costs I can tell you it's not an isolated issue.
Honestly tick rate is the only thing i'd like to see improved. I can't tell you how many times I've missed a kill or I was killed when I thought I was safe
Has Blizzard commented on people's complaints about it?
>>339714679
what the fuck are you talking about did you play this game at all or not you colossal faggot
you level up so fast that if you're not getting 2 cosmetic boxes a sitting you're a loser anyways
good job derailing this thread
>>339708461
just make the game less of a casualized piece of shit.
people play Overwatch when games like TF2 are too complicated for them, and that's just fucking depressing.
>>339714557
>guy wants to go fast
>plays character that goes fast
>STOP GOING FAST YOU FAGGOT
>>339714730
Did you know that before matchmaking got added to videogames, the community would have scrims with other teams/players to play with competent people?
Sounds extremely similar to something else, doesn't it?
>>339713696
He does need a rework though. Notice how I said rework and not buff or nerf. They need to make him viable and fun. Right now he only works on shitters but either way he's no fun to play as or against or with. Every time I've encountered one now (I'm level 40) they die quickly and are lucky if they get 2 or 3 people and they usually switch on first death. He's useless against a competent team and a fucking annoyance for shit teams.
>>339714679
At this point I can tell you're insanely retarded loner faggot seeking for attention with shitty bait.
>>339714960
i don't find tf2 fun anymore outside of playing with demoman in dust bowl
>listen to everyone on /v/ saying this is a reskinned shitty tf2 clone
>friend lets me play the game at his house
>fall in love with the pharoah character because it reminds me of quake
>plan on getting it today
Why do overwatch shitters on here claim everyone is shilling when they're doing the exact same.
>>339714270
How would only letting tanks seize the flag unbalance the game?
>Not sure what your problem is.
That the game is just slow and boring. I dont know if adding another mode would help with it, but it wouldnt hurt.
Im getting really tired of walking 20 seconds to the fight each time I die. The mobility is just shit in this game.
Maybe its just me and the game is amazing.
>>339712639
They should. I'm tired of shitty tracers who just spam it all day so you cant hit them
if you use it too fast there should be a longer cooldown
>>339714781
the game isn't worth 60 bucks but it's worth 40 like I said >>339714336
not sure how you read me calling them console faggots for paying 60 bucks and took that how you did
>>339714872
That entire post.
>she's fucking useless
Basically translates to
>I used her once and I sucked massive dick with her but other players seem to fuck my ass every time they use Tracer.
Her primary role is to be a distraction to the team, going behind enemy lines and create an opening for the team.
>>339712139
>let's split the community!
That's just brilliant. There is no community in matchmaking whatsoever, there is absolutely none. It's a sterile communist console garbage.
And then you "split" the non existing community anyway by implementing "ranked" mode. Which is basically the same shit but with try hards that are going to be as toxic as LoL players.
>>339712139
What community? There is no "community" in random people
>>339715180
>one button gameplay
>no ability to customize games in any way
>a grand total of three game modes
>worth 40
>>339714725
bitch pls
she's easy to destroy, it just takes a few extra seconds.
just fun when tracer fags get mad at me for stunning the cunt.
>>339713516
I know, they should bring that back in place of him healing in turret form. It's a more interesting ability where he has to actively try and look at people to avoid damage instead of killing a bunch of people and then just healing up after and doing it again. Then if his heal was in recon only he could get up and go do it, but then be forced to stay recon for 15 seconds and then ofcourse if they buff recon that may not be such a bad thing. The problem with Bastion right now is that there's almost no point in going recon mode once you find your camping spot. He should still be a camper kind of hero, but right now it's like braindead. He just needs something more to him to make it more active camping like junk rat or torbjorn who pick a general area to patrol rather than just sit there in one spot the whole game. It's boring.
>>339715285
>unironically posting reddit meme comics
>>339715356
Congratulations on beating noob Tracers I guess.
Just out of curiosity, who do you counter her with?
>>339714872
I love how every other Tracer I meet in the game is complete garbage. Also you must be garbage too because you think she is useless. a good Tracer can single handedly fuck the other team. Also the only real counter to Bastion Reini, mercy combo. Blink in, sticky, press E.
What's a 'tickrate'?
>>339715356
>>339715475
Sorta related, but do you get extra points for killing tracers? I've seen so many POTGs where literally nothing happens for 5 seconds until they run into a tracer and kill her.
>>339715347
>>no ability to customize games in any way
Did you try custom game?
>>339715475
>implying you have to have any skill whatsoever to murder people with tracer
anyway there's usually someone else on my team who continually shuts her down, but if i have to i just faceroll her with mcree or reinhardt.
>>339715285
League isn't a paid game, and ARTS games are by nature more toxic as they focus on denying your opponent an advantage.
I do agree that official matchmaking would split the community, but Blizzard will probably never implement public servers, and an MMR system allows you to actually get matched with people your skill and have fun.
How is matchmaking "communist console garbage"?
If you're worried about toxicity then you need to toughen up I think. But then if you actually are a LoL player, I'm not even surprised.
>>339711823
Skial is fucking awful, it's a company making its money through ads and garbage paid content on their servers. That's the bad end of the community servers, but the good end is good servers with no crits/no spread, a regular community, usually paid for with donations and no benefits.
What the FUCK, is tickrate?
>>339715475
Any competent player can counter her with junkrat's M1 without shift or E. If you can't you're casual shit
>>339712289
I don't think that's on the community server end, yeah - Valve took out sv_pure 0 servers from their Quickplay, which fucking sucks.
>>339715130
>How would only letting tanks seize the flag unbalance the game?
The director has stated multiple times that the game is based around heroes and hero switching. Limiting the roster would go against that.
If 12 maps and 3 game modes didn't do shit for you then a couple more won't certainly do anything.
You should have played Arcade last week. Everyone had 75% ability cool down which meant pretty much infinite blinks for Tracer and jumping like an idiot with Winston.
Shit was fun.
>>339715590
>>339715712
we're not gonna spoonfeed you. google it yourself.
>>339715347
>still fun
>worth 40
Plus when's the last time Blizzard released a game without updating/balancing constantly with high production values and full patch documentation?
>>339715712
It's the new meme, overused by kiddies.
1 year ago nobody was talking about tickrate
>>339714878
_Tickrate is only one offender when it comes to that. Their lag compensation is the culprit of that.
It favors the shooter which means a high ping player doesn't miss you because you are not behind the pillar on his screen because he's late to the party. If you want to be safe always make sure you do everything with a 1.5 second buffer because that's about as much as the compensation rolls back. See a Roadhog, don't juke, don't shoot just go behind cover immediatly and wait 1.5 seconds.
