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Tried this earlier, hopefully my connection doesn't shit the bed this time.
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>>339703286
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Wait, is this a dark souls comic?

How the hell does that work?
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>>339703362
You never saw anyone dump the first issue where Solaire has a big angry sun instead of his usual one?
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Decompressed as fuck.
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Well that was awful, thanks Op.

Anyone got links to the first comic, I missed it.
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>>339703527
There should be a law against making spider or spider-like monsters if your only knowledge of spiders is having spiders described to you by someone who won't even get clouse to common house spiders.

>>339703362
It's from the Dark Souls 2 alternate timeline where the Dark Souls universe is inspired by World of Warcraft instead of Berserk.
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>>339704782
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/82044375/
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>>339704782
http://www79.zippyshare.com/v/1axfSQjT/file.html
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>>339705090
>desustorage

Cute.

Thanks.

>>339705101
TOO LATE FAGGOT, SUCK IT!

Thank you too.
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> Japanese game
> Made a WESTERN comic
> Shit art

Why didn't they make it into a manga instead?
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>>339705227
this, honestly
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>>339705227
Because capcom.
This is the comic form of slashy souls.

Hiring a team with respect enough for the source material to write and design shit properly would be more important than just making it a manga since there's no garantuee it won't make the same mistakes.
Maybe not the same exact mistakes since this is such a specific skyrim/WoW blend of shit but a similiar brand of mistakes.
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>>339705227
Cause some suit from Bandai Namco who's only other credits involve pac-man and phone games thought it would make for a great marketing opportunity.
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Shoulda just made a textless comic.
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>>339705535
>capcom
I'm an idiot.
nevermind that.
I obviously meant the other company.
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The scryer is THE Aldrich?
Oh boy this can't end well.
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>>339705737
Yes he is
Doesn't look like way of white cleric, right?
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So why is it so bad?
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From the visuals this looks nothing like souls

Where's the token elite knight set?
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>>339706059
On the cover to bait you into buying crap.
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>>339703701

>aldrich

Uhhhhh, is this the slime guy from DS3?
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this isn't canon right
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>>339706296
No one reads comics.
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>>339706250
>>339706296
I think it's about as much canon as DaS2 was.
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>>339706228
This kills the souls fan
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>>339706250
supposedly before he began eating people
which is bullshit because he'd be a deacon in irithyll

>>339706296
almost certainly not

>>339706373

piss off you assmad cunt
It fucking happened, it did not achieve your expectations, we fucking get that, but it fucking happened
You can't just cover your ears and sing nonsense
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>>339706504

It happened, but it didn't matter.
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>>339706504
>You can't just cover your ears and sing nonsense

I don't have to, A-Team came back to save us, AND they gave us nonsense signing at a professional level to drown you out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWae6r7Blw

Personally I don't think DaS2 is actually non-canon, I just choose to believe it's all misinterpreted truth, because otherwise nothing in 1 or 3 makes any sense.
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It's just an utterly shameless cashgrab by Bandai Namco and that one asshole's comic studio,
who went on about how this is a passion project of his but it's quite obvious he never actually played the game.

He probably just watched one video and went "Ok, zombies ... check ... knights ... check ... castles ... check ... magic ... check."
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>>339706504
Don't be mad. Truth is DaS2 is as good as non-canon, it matters jack shit
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To be honest I skipped DS2 entirely, is there a no-bullshit plot summary or anything I should read?
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How could they get everything so completely wrong
when random people on deviantart have the style and feeling down to a T?

Oh, right. They didn't give a shit.
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>>339706738
Headcanon, but for me DS3 feels like centuries or even a millenia has passed. Consider that there have been 5 lords of cinders that kindled the lame before DS3. I can imagine that DS2 is just one moment in the past where the fire was kindled but the whole story is forgotten in time. The fire was probably kindled hundreds of time after that.

After all, the whole game is based on a cycle.
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WOW that was bad

And people say Dark Souls II is bad, come on, that was ridiculous

>Generic naked ally guy (not summoned phantom) who has no equipment and no weapon, he's not even capable of using sorceries, ironically enough named Aldrich
>Protagonist is some generically named "warrior grrl" with made-up Warcraft armour, doesn't even dodge roll or use Estus
>Dying is unexpected, in fact there is no darksign, no curse, no hollowing and no undead at all
>Enemies are giant generic spider shit plus generic forest golem who doesn't look ANYTHING like a "Green Man" and even has a Warcraft sword
>Really shitty map with shittily put together world - oh look there's the town and next to it is the CRYSTAL FUCKING LABYRINTH
>Absolutely no recognizable visuals from anything Souls related except that shitty bonfire graphic at the end

Basically made by someone who never played any Souls game and just wanted to be included in the hype train
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Does anyone else REALLY like Dark Souls 2? I get that it changed a lot of stuff and yadda yadda, everything critics say about it is true like the lighting is shit and enemy tracking is crap and all that. But it's still a great game and the narrative is really interesting. I want them to do a Dark Souls 4 which is a sequel to DS2 in the same vein that Dark Souls 3 is a sequel to DS1. We still don't know what Vendrick stole from the Giants; we still don't know how many Children of Dark there were; we still don't know what became of the Cursed Undead after he gathered the four crowns and halted the effects of the curse. Even a sequel where you play as Vendrick would be awesome.
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>>339707242
>the whole game is based on a cycle.

Yeah, and DaS2 completely misunderstood what the cycle was, and decided that everything you do in DaS was meaningless because it'll happen again and again with the same souls and events. I like how they tried to move things on with characters studying the curse, but making the plot entirely about the curse and your player trying to cure himself was odd, especially given 1's themes of prophesy and shepherding.

3's ending confirms for me that 2's idea of cycles is deeply flawed, since linking the fire just brings your ember to a small flame, it's nothing like reigniting another age of fire for civilizations to rise and fall, you're just kindling for the flame to keep things going as they are for a bit.

I'm still puzzling out what it actually means to link the fire, given that most of the lords are pretty strong, while Ludleth is a lump of sentient charcoal. Plus the prince refusing to link the flame, but already being a lord of cinder, I hope it's not intentionally contradictory.
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>>339707724

I figured that one of the brothers linked the flame when the other refused, and they both ended up as Lords of Cinder because they had linked souls, like how the abyss watchers do.
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>>339707653
From confirmed that Dark Souls is over.
There'll be one final DLC and after that nada.

I personally didn't think DS2 was horrible. It's still a decent game within it's genre.
But to me it felt kind of uninspired, even if it had some neat ideas.
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Art isn't too shabby, but faces really need some work.
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>>339707915
It's Lorian who was groomed to link the flame IIRC, and it's his kindling you get when you kill them.

The Abyss Watchers are an interesting question too, do they share a soul through the wolf blood?
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>>339708163
They together linked flame, everyone who was interested in story knew it before game was even released
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>>339705945
It isn't t b h.
It just has retro comics feel to it.
>>339704401
Someone get this image and desaturate it and you'll know what i'm talking about.
The coloring could've been a little better but the desaturated version should look just swell.
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>>339708163
yeah the abyss watchers have a collective soul
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>>339708246
Bully for them, I preferred to explore the game for myself.

>>339708305
So they had a 'dead man's boots' system for gaining membership, kill a watcher and absorb his soul, or did they get the blood/soul from elsewhere?
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>>339708250
I'll hop on my other PC and do it myself i guess.

brb
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awful art, awful writing

>you will never read dark souls comic by Mike Mignola
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>>339709086
>darkest dungeon ripoff
no thanks
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Why is it so hard to find a western comic where their facial expressions don't look like shit
Jesus it's almost like the artist drew the pages without seeing the dialogue
Something tells me they just trace real faces poorly 95% of the time
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>>339709729
>Why is it so hard to find a western comic where their facial expressions don't look like shit
Because even simple ones take effort from author
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>>339704598
Is this shit offical? I mean the artist have no fucking idea what dark souls is and just drew a generic fantasy shit.
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>>339710825
Commissioned and Namco Bandai didn't supply any real material beyond "make a fantasy comic".
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>>339711028
Couldn't they at least played the fucking games? The comic is one of the most generic shit I saw. Hell look just look at that plant monster.
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>>339711186
No, they weren't paid to play the games and these comics are usually expected within 1-2 weeks of being commissioned.

Unless the commissioner supplies the material, it doesn't get incorporated. These fuckers don't have the time.
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>>339711186
Personally I'd rather they stay as far as possible from the source material, I don't want to find out if that shit is contagious.
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>>339704040
>See? We mentioned Ornstein! We're totally a legit Dark Souls comic!
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>>339705227
The art's actually pretty good, but it doesn't suit Dark Souls at all. I can't help but imagine what a Dark Souls comic drawn by someone like Mike Mignola would look like.
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>>339707021
People have linked the Fire at this point dozens of times, and the world isn't getting any better. Even letting the fire fade doesn't affect any lasting change since the cycle always continues anew. The King of Drangleic and his scientist brother set out to find a cure for "The Curse," which many believed was a cure for the Undead, but was actually a way out of the cycle. Some of Manus' leftover essence takes the form of the King's wife, who goads him into invading foreign lands and stealing their crowns, as well as stealing a Kiln from a country of giants. In the end, this accomplished nothing save for giving the Queen access to more power, and the king goes hollow. The king's brother, Aldia, performed unspeakable experiments on his many prisoners, and eventually himself, creating abominations in an attempt at gaining true immortality. If you aid him, you can become the first real immortal, immune to hollowing and free from the curse, though you are the only one.

Note that there was almost no plot at all until the DLC and Scholar of the First Sin expanded on it, so most people have a very, very dismissive attutude toward DSII's plot.
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>>339705227
> Shit art
The art is pretty good but the coloring was rushed or who knows who did it.
Here let me try and recolor one of the images so you can see what i mean.
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>>339712476
SOTFS didn't do that much other than add Aldia, whose monologues don't change a thing other than flatly confirming what his keep was already spelling right out, and Vendrick, who just speaks in riddles anyway.
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>>339712476

That sounds pretty stupid desu.
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>>339704256
>thunk
>shunk

wtf is wrong with western comics
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>>339712693
Do weeb combics for faggots not have sound effects?
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>>339712693
Conveying action in a static medium relies on onomatopoeia that becomes absurd on closer inspection, who could have fucking guessed.
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>>339712769
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>>339714096
>unintelligible japanese onomatopoeia

WTF is wrong with oriental comics?
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>>339709279
If i had more time i could make a spiffy image.
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>>339714386
P.S i would love it if i had the original black and white without the photoshopped trees in the back and without the meh effects added.
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>>339714223
It clearly says "GO." Learn to read before you whine about not being able to read.
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>>339715007
Wut.
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>>339715120
Learn to read before you whine about not being able to read. There's no hidden message here.
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>DaS2 is non canon
What is this autism
There are tons of references to DaS2 in DaS3, items and characters returning or being mentioned, etc.

Apart from that comics and manga are for autists, keep this shit away from here
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>>339715186
But I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT ISN'T CANON
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>>339715184
You wut.
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>>339715186
I think the thing about Dark Souls II is that it's the most noteworthy thing that happened in the many cycles between I and III

So in short yes it's canon and important, just its story hasn't been entirely wrapped up and probably never will be
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>>339715252
And i don't like the original DS so it is not cannon for me either?
What do now?
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>female protag
>going into a new area and slaying massive chaos spiders in one hit each

Bullshit, nothing like Dark Souls at all
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>>339716125
A lot like Dark Souls 2 t b h.
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>>339716125
DeS canonical protag was female royal
What are you gonna do now? Drop the series?
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>people pay $60 for a jump roll rehash
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>"how do we capture the spirit of dark souls in a comic book?"
>wordswordswordswords
>one liners

I don't dislike all western comic books, but holy shit, the bulk of them are so mediocre.
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>>339716331
It's not that I have a problem with the protag being female, as much as it is her being a "STRONG WOMYN" who kills everything in one hit with no tension at all
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>>339703758
>Thou hast better still be alive
it's like a 13 year old wrote this
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>>339716447
It'd be fine if they laughed at the end of each sentence.

>>339716453
Why mention the female protag if it doesn't bother you, when the whole thing is irredeemably shit?

You're really bad at hiding your insecurities around women, even online, you must be cringeworthy IRL.
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>>339714223
You being retarded doesn't mean it's unintelligible, you know.
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>>339716665
>not being able to read weeb means you're retarded

Ok vee, that sounds true!
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>>339716616
Because they wrote her as a horrible unlikeable cunt like all western comics seem to do since comics are now SJW territory. It just comes across as obvious pandering, especially how she's killing everything with ease and how she seems to be the one doing all the hard work and fighting while Aldrich(who is also shit by the way) is cowering and weak in almost every panel
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>>339716890
You literally don't understand what "unintelligible" means
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>giant monster
>doesnt stab it in the ass
0/10 not muh dark souls
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>>339716921
You're not really improving your appearance here, perhaps it's time to stop digging.

And perhaps put aside some time for quiet introspection, just in case you really ARE as insufferable as you sound, you should at least be aware just how bad you are.
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>>339717246
Continue calling me bad and horrible rather than acknowledge my points being correct then faggot
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>>339717387
The trouble with your 'points' is that they're an opinion and thus irrefutable, leaving two options; agree or ignore.

Given your obvious discomfort with women and your difficulty communicating effectively without letting your mental issues cloud your insight, I settled on the latter.

Why would I bother trying to convince you that there isn't a grand conspiracy of women working to keep you a virgin? You'll never believe that's the case.
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>>339716453
>>339716331
Yeah, you're not really gonna see her get Aldrich'd if the writer is too busy fapping to her.
like this guy.
>>339716616
>>339717387


She's set up as someone who's uber-competent and has no personality beyond feeling sad about the past. It's boring.

Also, she has meme-armor and looks like she came out of Warcraft. That ties into the female protagonist thing where this guy's trying to cram her into the games' lore with Solaire being a bad guy and other retarded shit.

Literally any character, like Anri and Horace, Yuria, Dancer, or Leonhart would've been a better pick.
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>>339716331
Where confirmed?

I figured it'd be royal, since King's Field, but female?
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>>339717703
Nigger I ain't readin all that shit about you deconstructing my entire argument just to make yourself sound smarter. Take your liberal bs back to Tumblr
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Don't talk to me or my sun ever again
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I usually hate people who complain about boob armor in videogames.
But god dammit it does not belong in souls. Souls never had that shit.

Also whoever wrote this clearly just got a general idea.
>okay so the anor londor people are gods like the nordic or greek ones?
>and ornstein uses a spear
>so obviously they would say something like "By Ornstein's Lugged Spear" in the same way they say "By Odin's Beard"
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>>339717986
Look, if you really want to cry about a strong female lead, why don't you use a good comic to cry about?

http://www.lordranandbeyond.com/sieglinde-of-catarina-premier-cover/

Then, while you're explaining to me that all women are weak, craven, greedy, duplicitous, murderous, insatiable, and inhuman wenches, we don't need to be considering this shitty comic.

Best of luck with your campaign against literally half the human race, you'll need it.
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>>339718171
I wish this were a troll but liberals and tumblrinas have become so crazy that I can't genuinely tell anymore
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>>339718016
I want angry sun armor
Ganking people would be even more fun this way
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>>339704401
I bet there's sonic fanfics out there with better writing.
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Once again this shit has nothing to do with Dark Souls except for shitty namedrops. First Slashy Souls and now this. Why not expand on an NPC's storyline or actually have the comic take place in the Dark Souls world and not Land of Generic And Uninspired Fantasy Names. Why was Ornstein even mentioned? To remind your readers that this is totally """Dark Souls"""" and not some cheap rip off?
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>>339718347
I'm not a troll, I genuinely think you're an angsty little virgin who projects the same internal issues every time you try to discuss anything involving women.

I don't have an agenda, I just think yours is retarded and derivative.
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Pretty fucking bad DESU. Generic as fuck comic, and I don't think Dark Souls lore is generic.
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>>339718478
Not that anon but the only one projecting here is you.

Remember the background of every sjw is one of being problematic themselves.
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>>339718486
Hello weeaboo.
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I just got in this thread and what the fuck is going on here? Someone's mad at Sieglinde or something? I only skimmed lines.

I thought Sieglinde was alright for a minor character. Probably the mother of Siegward.
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>>339718603
>Remember the background of every sjw is one of being problematic themselves.

Well that's super cool, you realise none of us are SJW, right?

No more than that other Anon is an angry virgin just because I said so.
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>>339718732
I know exactly what you're doing and all you're getting is a nibble from me.
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>>339718812
Oh so you are not the anon screaming misogyny here?
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>>339702625
there's no way this is canon

...right?
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>>339718873
>I know exactly what you're doing
Trying to start a proper topic instead of an irrelevant shitfest, yes.

Siegward was pretty cool.
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>>339718478
Aren't we all angry/angsty little virgins? Is that not our common link? Our reason to be here with others of our kind?

unvirgins get out, losers
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>>339718910
I'm the anon calling >>339716125 and everyone else who agrees with him massive faggots for chosing to lead with "hurr durr strung female protag" in criticizing this irredeemably shitty comic.

If I was an SJW, and this WAS propaganda for my side, I would be fucking outraged. As it is you're just making yourselves look like gamergators with your laser focus on gender, and I'm calling you out on it.

All clear?

>>339719204
No, you're thinking of /r9k/.

Goodbye /v/tard, say hello to the other incels for me.
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>>339719285
>No, you're thinking of /r9k/
Wrong! I've spotted the outsider! Get him, fellas!
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>>339719285
He is saying he is bored with the strong female protagonist.
I don't agree with him but I also don't read many comics

Now you are saying that somehow makes him a mysognist and me a gamergator.

I think I am pretty clear on what you are and I honestly see no good of this discussion.
I hope you leave /v/ forever since we are so problematic.
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>>339719285
>for chosing to lead with
That is where this entire thing was coming from? What he lead with? From that you extrapolated that we are all gamergator shitlords?
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>>339707653
>the narrative is really interesting
Does it get better or something? I'm playing it for the first time and, while the game itself is perfectly fine, the narrative and characters are a massive downgrade from DeS and DaS. I had a clear, defined goal in those games but DaS2 is just like "Uh, wander around until you find something important I guess." and other than Pate the characters are super bland.
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>>339719285
>with your laser focus on gender
>you are literally the one focusing on gender because he led with it.
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>>339719540
You're told as soon as you reach Majula that your goal is to find King Vendrick.
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>>339719467
So he's offended that the writer of the comic is failing to challenge the status quo, am I the only person who sees how stupid that is?

>I think I am pretty clear on what you are

Yes, we're all very projecty here, but that's why we love anonymity, saves all that time digging into people's posting records eh?

>>339719539
>From that you extrapolated that we are all gamergator shitlords?

No, just him and everyone else who read this piece of shit and came to the conclusion the worst thing about it is having a strong female protagonist. This comic is fucking dire, why would anyone in their right mind complain about the gender politics in something so bad?

>>339719628
If the terribleness of this comic didn't push gender concerns out of your mind, then gender concerns clearly occupy too much of it.
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>>339719730
>bear
>bear
>seek
>seek
>lest

This is good dialogue to you?
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>>339719540
You're told to seek the King, Emerald Herald tells you to seek powerful souls to gain audience, and her and Crestfallen tell you to go to Forest of Fallen Giants or Heidi's Tower of Flame.
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>>339719804
God you speak in such a pretentious way that it makes me just want to ignore whatever you fucking say
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>>339719867
>bell
>bell
>bell
>heheheheh
>bell

I can play the same game.
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>>339720029
>i really want to do the thing
>but i won't do it!

Gosh, you've just about ruined my day Anon.
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>>339719804
>the worst thing about it is having a strong female protagonist
Show me one post saying that.
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>>339720168
There is no post ITT containing that phrase.

Should I make one for you?
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Who is the biggest Mary Sue in the Souls universe?

Artorias? The Ivory King? Or maybe Pontiff?
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>>339719730
That's kind of like if Oscar had only said to fulfill the Undead prophecy and never mentioned the Bells of Awakening.

>>339719887
>and her and Crestfallen tell you to go to Forest of Fallen Giants or Heidi's Tower of Flame.
That said, I completely missed this so I guess I'm an idiot.
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>>339720295
>Artorias
failed at pretty much everything
>Pontiff
huge asshole not even close to being liked by fucking anyone
How are either of them mary-sues?
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>>339720295
Solaire, of course.

Although I must say, The Master comes damn close, is he an actual factual Mary?
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>>339720295
>artorias
not even a mary sue, he failed miserably at containing the abyss
>the ivory King
Maybe, and he did a pretty good job maintaining the chaos
>Pontiff
He never really faced serious competition, except a dying god who wasn't even that powerful in the first place

Your character is the biggest mary sue tbqh
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>>339720295
Ornstein
>*it was a hologram*
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>>339720523
It's traditional to give MSs a flaw, to make them more believable and better characters.

Artorias' only flaw is that he failed against the abyss, a brave and noble sacrifice that ends up not really being a flaw, which is incredibly Mary Sue to my eyes.
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Why is she dressed like an everquest character instead of a Dark Souls character? Why does she have boob armor?

I mean, you could have just cheated and put her in the knight set.
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>>339720295
None of them are mary-sues.

You have to be loved or hated by everyone and win at everything to be a mary-sue.

Artorias' only notable act is dying, Ivory King only seems perfect relative to Iron King being a total fucking loser, and Pontiff fed people to his meat creature.
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>>339720632
>It's traditional to give MSs a flaw
But the definition is either flawless or loved by everyone or both really.
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>>339720295
Do you know what a Mary Sue is because none of them are that.
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>>339720632
>a brave and noble sacrifice that ends up not really being a flaw
But he failed.
He is just as much of a mary sue as gwyn then with him sacrificing himself.
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>>339720865
You raise an excellent point; are we all working off the same definition?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

>Originally a Mary Sue is a character that is a shameless self-insert, poorly developed, without flaws and stupidly overpowered.
>Some accept nothing less than the above description, and will sooner gut you then look twice if you say it's anything else. Others prefer a more generalized definition, which refers to an overly-idealized character who exerts an unjust amount of influence upon their respective setting or story. Others still carry this meaning out to extremes, and use the term to describe anyone who isn't a homeless junkie or a brooding sociopath with an alignment of chaotic neutral.
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>>339720891
Ivory King comes close.
>builds his castle on the top of the chaos
>sets himself up as brilliant hero first line of defense
>loved by the dark
>loved by his own people
>could keep the chaos in for a very long time
And even with him getting consumed at the end. In DS3 the Chaos Flame is dead so he won.
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>>339721109
Except he fucked up and couldn't keep the chaos in check, which is why he just tossed his own soul at it which achieves nothing. Only difference between him, and say Vendrick, is that his shard of manus actually liked him.

It's the MC that kicks the Chaos' ass, the real Mary Sue here.
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>>339720986
Artorias tried to do the right thing and failed, Gwyn tried to do the wrong thing and succeeded.

They're both very noble and all that shit, but there's no way you're winning the Mary Sue label by dooming the world with your noble sacrifice. All Artorias did with his sacrifice was show the player just how badass he is EVEN WITH ONE ARM!

I don't think Artorias is a Mary sue especially myself, but there's an argument to be made there.
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>>339721332
The MC doesn't kick the Chaos ass.
You only beat the burnt king and take his soul back from it.

The Chaos already got his ass kicked by the Chosen Undead. The remnants are a chaos you can't kill but only endure.
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>>339703587
>DIE!
This is honestly what bothered me the most about this comic. It just feels so strange to me for somebody in Dark Souls to leap head first into an enemy screaming DIE! like that.
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what the fuck is up with this comic?
before this came out i was so happy there was gonna finally be an honest to goodness medieval fantasy comic with no fucking tolkien or camelot dick sucking and it just turned out to be fucking retarded.
this doesnt look anything like dark souls. armor looks retarded, weapons look retarded, and it just looks like more generic bullshit.
the west will never a decent medieval/fantasy story. ill just stick to berserk and vinland saga.
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>>339721080
I think you (or he) has a point that artorias would be a mary sue if we knew he was also the nicest guy ever and if we knew he was otherwise flawless then his noble sacrifice would still make him a mary sue even if he failed.

The problem here is we don't know much about him. We know he sacrificed himself and we know he failed. I guess if you just look at a percentage of things he did then I guess he could be a mary sue.
I think the most important part of a mary sue and why it even is a valid complaint is that they are overbearing and annoying. Artorias never even says a single word. How can he annoy anyone enough to be called a mary-sue.
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>>339721080
I think you guys need an example of a real Mary Sue to put things in perspective.

This guy kicks everyone's ass, is constantly reminded of how powerful he is, the most powerful entities in the universe accede to his power, all his "flaws" are played as strength, has lived for centuries, is a super-scientists, a superhero, and best of all is the developer's self-insert and was voiced by him.

THIS is a Mary Sue. Nothing in Dark Souls has jack shit on this. A liked, competent character making a noble sacrifice is not a fucking mary-sue.
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>>339721613
DaS2 comic was pretty good
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>>339721337
So with how vague everything is in souls how would you write a noble sacrifice?

I mean they are as common in medieval fantasy as dragons.
Would you make sure to give him a few lines how he is racist or an asshole or an idiot or whatever to show that he is definitely not a mary sue?
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>>339721337
>All Artorias did with his sacrifice was show the player just how badass he is EVEN WITH ONE ARM!

He's a strong warrior who did all he could to fight back the Abyss and failed, what argument is there to be made? Are noble people with good intentions Mary Sues now? Does every character need to have some irredeemable flaw to not be a Mary Sue now? I mean god damn.
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>>339720295
don't talk shit about my husbando the I V O R Y K I N G ever again
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Seeing this makes you appreciate how great the Dragon's Dogma manga was, and that wasn't even that good
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>>339722153
Dragon's Dogma has a manga? What is it about?
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>>339721653
Freddie Mercury is too anime for this world.
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