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>poorfag pirates will defend this
That took me back.
>>339688035
HE LITERALLY DOES NOT LOSE MONEY FOR THIS
he spent time and money for that bike, AND HE STILL HAS IT
who was in the wrong here?
The comic is missing a panel where it turns out that the bike is barely functional and falls apart after driving it for fifteen yards
But the shop keeper is in the wrong there.
>>339688035
I'm looking forward to people getting pissy for having 3D printed anime figures that don't cost $100
A second customer walks into the bike store. "I have a lot of money, how much is the bike?" The shop owner glances at the pirate, merrily enjoying his free bike and replies "that'll be 158.99. plus tax."
>>339688661
>Can make 3D printed Dildos
What a time to be alive!
If you believe in piracy you don't believe in capitalism and I want you out of my goddamn country by tomorrow.
>but I don't live in America
Get the FUCK out of my country
Hey I really like your store and the bike, I could make a copy of the bike but because I like it so much I'm going to buy it.
>thanks, remember you can only use it within a 100m radius of the shop and require authentication before using it
>>339688035
That's not really the same thing. The man in the comic created a bike, and even though it happens to resemble another bike, it's a different bike that he created through some sort of poorfag pirate magic.
Pirating a game is more like going to a book store, taking a photo of each page, and claiming that you're in the right for not paying for the book.
>>339688035
someone post the other one
>>339688661
Are 3D printed anime figures even of the same quality as traditional anime figures?
>>339689002
Stop shopping at strawman cycles friend.
>>339688035
I wouldnt hav a problem if they could just admit they pirate becaue is so easy and they are poor or assholes.
Nah its always some bullshit excuse:
>G...guys i want to test if it runs on my Pc i swear
>I always buy the games when i prated them
>>339688457
Clearly the developer of the game for thinking that dialogue would sound deep and clever.
>>339689173
Not even close
They look like shit and 3d printing is not magical like everyone pretends it is
>>339688457
In real life : brave
In nep world : Uni
>>339689336
sorry anon but it appears you have left your tag on from your last thread. Just reminding you that you no longer need it in this thread or any other
>>339689473
Soon™
>>339689336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>339688035
But they guy is right.
Just because you make him look angry and evil doesn't mean he's wrong.
>>339688374
And he'll never see profit for that lost sale. He's not bitching for losing a bike, he's bitching that people can benefit from his work for nothing.
Not really weighing in on it myself, I'm not gonna waste my time by offering an opinion on /v/, where opinions go to die.
>>339690164
>im not gonna waste my time
>writes a 40 word response
>>339688035
I only pirate because I don't want to support publishers releasing games on PC.
>>339690319
>Typing two small sentences that took eight seconds is a waste of time
>Having such shit attention span and reading comprehension that you stop reading before 'by offering an opinion'
>>339690551
And he keeps going!
>>339688457
I enjoy the shit out of pirated games.
I pirated Arc Rise Fantasia and am enjoying it immensely and I paid for Zestiria and hope bamco kills themselves.
>tfw pirated Minecraft, and it was partially because a friend wanted me to play online with him, and he had the game himself
Kinda felt guilty about it, even though Notch is a greedy jerk. I don't like piracy even if certain companies deserve it.
>>339690548
you generally dont support publishers selling to a media so you protest by pirating?
thats so beyond logic i am actually interested in hearing you explain that
i usually pirate because of extremely bad clientcare from game producers and the game industry being in total shit atm, but because of the media, thats something i havent heard before
I pirate and don't give a fuck Death is inevitable, life has no inherent meaning and there is no afterlife so u can suck my diddle diddle
>>339691078
What the fuck happened. Few years back, /v/ was glorifying piracy, now it's fedora redditors everywhere.
>>339688035
Well yeah, the other guy single handedly begun to create a post-scarcity society. Do anti-pirate fags think this is bad?
>>339688035
If a game has not enough content for it's money worth, if it's uninspired and "safe" and made with no passion, if it's a sequel turned casual-as-fuck, if it's got invasive DRM, it's it's got 15 bullshit prices DLC packs and multiple season passes, if it's got P2W micro transactions and a price tag.
If it's got a few of these or more, I will not buy it.
I may pirate it to see how it plays, if I like the look of a certain gameplay mechanic or the story, or if it's a glorified tech demo, etc., etc..
Also I'm running out of money, and I rather be careful what I spend it on.
>>339688035
So if someone 3d prints bike parts he has to pay for it?
>>339688457
>Please buy our games
>>339691193
For some reason they all came out of the woodwork with Denuvo, presumably because gloating about paying exorbitant prices for games by devs with disgusting anti-consumer business practices and DLC moneygrubbing makes them feel better about themselves as people?
>>339691242
>true desu senpai
>>339691337
yes because supplies to 3d print are not cheap
theres a faggot that 3d printed a car, a whole fucking car
does it work? i dont know because as far as i know an engine would need to be metal and would melt the material anyway
i dont know if it works, but he did print a whole fucking car
>>339691242
>Whatever. I wasn't interested in the game anyway
>It's not like one less sale will hurt them
>One person doesn't make a difference
>They don't care about me so why should I care about them
>I know I was just bitching about how morals are wrong but these guys have bad morals about DLC
>everyone pirates, what's the big deal?
>remember: everyone is an asshole but me
>Let me quote a rich person who is bitching about how he got rich
Holy shit dude, I couldn't even get through the whole thing
The ability to spontaneously generate new matter completely destroys our current concept of ownership.
This is why we can't treat digital piracy the same as stealing. It doesn't translate when you can steal something while the creator still has the original copy.
The creator doesn't lose their product. They lose the ability to profit from it.
>>339688035
I'd copy things in real life too if I had the power to.
>>339688035
Nigga, if we could create replicas of physical objects that easily, we wouldn't need money.
Nice false analogy though.
>>339691590
theres a tl;dr for a reason
>>339691545
what about those enabling piracy?
what if i regularly crack games and release them?
i pay for the games and modify them to be able to be pirated
where do i fit in on that list?
>>339691769
The top section, dickhead.
>>339691870
thats the people who download what i upload
sure it fits but im still buying the product in the end to allow piracy
I pirate because it makes me feel like a supa hacka.
>>339689014
>claiming that you're in the right
nah
there are 2 sides in this discussion
>the moralfag
>the pirate
the moralfag wants to have the moral highground, the pirate doesn't care at all.
if you pirate and try to justify it you're a moralfag.
>>339688035
>can copy anything
>somehow the concept of money still exists
Retarded.
>>339692159
i pirate because i invest extra money into dev hardware
i already pay 50-75% more for the system than the retail price at any given point because it allows me to reign free without modding
>>339691242
Holy fuck
>>339688035
If the bike owner really wanted to make money, he would have offered a chance to win a lottery with every purchase of his bikes.
>>339690164
He lost NOTHING
You can't prove that the guy would have bought the bike if he couldn't copy it
You can't prove that the guy would have stolen the bike if he couldn't copy it
Oh damn you have shown me
>guy leaves an apple in the middle of the road
>some bloke picks it up and eats it
>yo wtf bro that was my apple and you need to pay for it
>>339688035
>thinking about lost money when a dude just demonstrated actual magical replocating powers
>>339690164
>LOST SALE >:(
If I were a wizard with copying powers I sure as fuck would copy every bike for myself. I already have one and I'm fully aware I don't even like riding bicycles, but why not try since it's free and morally sound?
I wouldn't ever purchase a single bike so you can't call it a lost sale.
>>339693724
So the bike you already have is stolen
Thus you are a nigger
Hello nigger im whitey
>>339688457
>when there's no reward, nobody will want to create!
Just like nobody wanted to create linux and shitload of open source software.
>>339688785
This. China is pretty much the piracy/IP theft/etc etc capital of the world, pirates can move there if they hate capitalism so much.
>>339688374
You are not entitled to a game if you don't want to pay for it. That's not how licensing works. You don't get to act entitled for something because you wouldn't have bought it otherwise.
>>339694070
Or any "real" art.
>>339694218
You're not entitled to spy on me and gather my purchasing habits either.
Also you are entitled to try before buy.
>>339691242
>STOP FORCING YOUR OPINION ON US, WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK
>BUT THIS INFOGRAPH EXPLAINING HOW MUCH I DONT CARE TOOK SEVERAL HOURS TO MAKE, JUST IGNORE THAT PART, IT DOESNT MEAN I CARE WHAT YOU THINK AT ALL
>>339688035
I miss demos.
Can anyone remember why demos for games stopped being a common thing?
>>339688035
Hate is a strong word but I REALLy REALLY REALLY don't like pirates.
>>339691337
Is there some patent protecting that bike part? Then yes. If you started selling clones of Macbooks, you'd be shut down even though you're not stealing anything from Apple. It's still 100% illegal.
>>339688457
Get this garbage out of my face.
>>339690551
>I'm n-not mad! I used a reaction image!
>>339694373
No, you are NOT entitled to try before you buy. Also, just don't buy something if you don't like DRM.
When you resort to piracy to protest the publishers/game devs, they see no reason to change their behavior because they don't see someone who would be a paying customer anyways. If you just don't buy the game and dont play it at all, they see someone voting with their wallet who would become a customer again if they offered something they would want to buy.
>>339694758
Also to add, Steam and Origin offer refunds now. The "try before you buy" argument really is a shit justification. Just admit you don't care about the ethics of it.
>>339694070
Or the entirety of the modding community as a whole.
>defending piracy
There's nothing to defend.I do it because I can and I couldn't care less about what you think of me
>>339694218
I am not entitled to feel bad for anyone either.
>>339694070
Open source software is not mainstream for a reason.
Stop trying to force communism on society. Game developers have the freedom to not work for profit if they want to, you have the freedom to support them. Do you know why that model is always dwarfed by for profit enterprises? Because profit is better at motivating people.
>>339694903
This is what's weird to me
I couldn't give half a shit what anyone thinks about what I'm doing here, not to get all first world preachy but anyone with the luxury to pirate has a comfy enough life thanks to the suffering of less fortunate people.
I already don't give a shit about any of those people, why should I give a shit about pirating?
>>339695010
All this fucking talk of "being free to do what you want" and everyone still misses the point.
DO WHAT YOU FUCKING WANT AND ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES!FEEL MUH AUTORITAH!
>if you're not an impatient child, you can get games for $5-$10 or less on Steam if you wait long enough
>you can try before you buy because most digital stores like Steam offer refunds
>people actually think that being poor and not being able to try before you buy are legitimate justifications for piracy
>>339695010
At our hearts we really are Ferengi.
I used to pirate all the time when I was a poor teenager but now that I have a job and play mostly multiplayer games instead of single players RPGs, I don't mind paying for them.
Seriously, who gives a shit if someone else steals something. All that resulted out of it was shit like Denuvo and more online only games, and if that really bothers you to the point of frothing anger, you need to sort your life out.
>>339694758
>You are not entitled to try it out before purchase
Who determines that? You?
>Clothing
>Cars
>Software
>Hardware
I dont know what happens where yo,y live, but over here in the EU we ARE entitled to a 30 days no-questions-asked refund period. Shit dealers like Steam just want to abuse international law in order to sell products in the EU while obeying none of its laws, which is downright immoral.
TL/DR: it is European law to have refund entitlements for trying shit out for 2~4 weeks. It follows that all business practices (excluding consumables) should adhere to those requisites.
>>339690164
Potential Profit doesn't exist.
I don't fucking care.
Abandonware?
I will pirate it
Older than 12 years?
I will pirate it
Indie and new?
I will pirate it
I will buy it if I find a cheap physical copy at the supermarket.
Or if I accidentaly have enough money on paypal.
Developers can suck my dick
>>339695183
>Waiting up to 3 years for a AAA game to drop that
>Steam refund isnt working
Fuck off, Ill pirate what I like.
>>339694758
And who made YOU king of the world? Fuck off.
>>339688035
Haven't pirated anything in years since it's less hassle getting games for <5€ at steam sales.
But to all pirates out there: keep it up bros, I remember being one of you.
>>339695334
The person that determined it is the publisher. Some of them do let you try before you buy by offering refunds or demos. If you don't like it, protesting by not buying and not pirating is much more effective than protesting by pirating.
>EU law
>international law
Pic one. It's only international in a small group of countries, not even all of Europe, just the EU, and there's a ton of exceptions for member states for a lot of things anyways. It's nowhere near "international law".
>>339695454
>>339695446
>hurr fuck off
Why can't pirates handle criticism? Is it because they have the emotional maturity of teenagers if they are not already actual teenagers?
>>339696097
How about don't act like you're worth shit. Maybe I'll spend more time on you next time then.
>>339695446
>AAA games are worth playing
>they all are not the same fucking "open world cinematic experiences" with no risks taken during development
When I was younger and in school and poor, yes I pirated games. Now, with my job and money in my wallet i don't pirated anymore, but I still don't buy shitty games.
>>339696007
Are you fucking dense?
Steam (for example) adheres to whatever country's laws depending on where they set up office. This is what I meant : that they can sell products and services worldwide without paying heed to the sovereignty of the state they're practicing business in.
Thats incredibly arrogant and immoral. It can only he sone because the internet is a relatively new and unregulated thing - no other business model (not based online) can pull this kind of shit and is thus held accountable to the same laws.
But suddenly, we're talking digital goods, and THE DEVELOPER picks and chooses whichs laws to treat all their customers with? From Sweden to sri-lanka, THE DEVELOPER has more power to decide which laws affect its business model?
Are you actually retarded or do you just eat shit for breakfast? With a shovel, perhaps?
>>339696304
Clearly I think I'm king of the world because I think you're not entitled to free shit. You sound really underage.
Think of it this way, if I cloned you would you have any right to the clone?
No you wouldn't you'd either have to buy your own cloning machine or pay 1000 for genetically identical organs yourself
If you "consume" or gain access media in any way unintended by the legal owner of the media you are committing a crime that is punishable.
Committing crimes=anti-social=immoral
Gamefly allows for cheap rentals
Steamsales allow for saving on PC games
Go to a friends house and play his copy(I literally do this when I want to test out a game)
>mfw jesus pirated fish and bread
>>339696618
Ain't that a pickle.
>>339696643
Why would I even want any rights to my clone? I am useless.
>>339696563
>the internet should be regulated
This is why your continent is crumbling. The nanny state is ALWAYS worse than the free market. You could simply protest buy not pirating or buying games until developers do what you want them to, but no, you're an impatient little shit with an entitlement attitude.
>>339696741
>>339696741
Sure, but wouldn't you want an extra heart just in case?
Also at this point is anyone in any of these even passionate about piracy. I genuinely think these threads have become an efficient shitpost engine.
>B-BUT THE DEVELOPER SHOULD CHOOSE WETHER YOURE ENTITLED TO TRYING ITS PRODUCT OUT OR NOT!
EU legislation:
All goods(except consumables) and service providers must give their customers a no-questions-asked 2~4 weeks refund window where the buyer can ascertain the qualities of the product and return it for a full refund for WHATEVER reason.
>Internet products (read: digital goods only because theyre literally goons) salesmen should be entitled to be the exception
How can people defend this?
>all these moralfags trying to say pirating is bad
but why? its not like they're affecting you all
I haven't pirated games in a few years but when I did it was usually because I knew I wouldn't like it anyway. For example, I pirated Fallout 3 because I haven't enjoyed a Bethesda game ever, but my friends claimed this time it was different and they had truly made a great game - 20 minutes after installing, I deleted that shit right the fuck off my hard drive.
Honestly can't remember the last game I downloaded, it's been forever. I've even stopped pirating music in the past few years, most of the artists/bands I enjoy are pretty small time and need the dough.
>>339694573
>>Is there some patent protecting that bike part? Then yes.
Why?
>>339696710
And god just let him.
Talk about nepotism.
>>339696759
Fuck off. Either the law applies to all or none. Next step: regulate ALL cayman islands transactions and off-shores so that we can end corruption.
>>339696973
On the other hand
>Piracy is OK because you're not stealing physical goods, they're just copies
>But digital retailers should be held to the same laws as physical good sellers
Sometimes I pirate and sometimes I buy, sometimes I do both.
Just stop being faggots you faggots, you don't really have a moral high ground for doing either, or both.
I still don't understand the obsession with being this self-conscious about this matter.
>>339697104
Why do you think I'd disagree with that? That'd be a good thing as well.
>>339697086
Because patents are protected for a good reason. They incentivize people to invent new things because they are allowed to profit from them. How many socialist countries have to fail before people realize this?
>>339696759
Maybe internet goods providers should stop being fucking Machiavellian pieces of shit always trying to dodge the law, huh?
Make it international law for digital sales to adhere to every country's laws no matter where they have their headquarters . BAM. No need for "nanny" state as you so describe.
It's appaling how much corporate cocksucking you people endure on a daily basis.
>>339696097
>criticism
Pardon me Sir, are you aware that what you are doing isn't criticism but rather an attempt to act as if you have some higher moral ground while your robbed?
To be honest, I don't understand your mentality in the slightest. I suppose I could swallow a few paint chips and try to see it at your level but Id rather go on enjoying the games I've gotten for free, or even better, off your dollar.
With that in mind, Thank you for your support of the video industry with your hard earned dosh. I'll make sure every penny is put good to good use.
Attached is an image you can fully purchase for a sum of said dosh, just five dollars.
Don't forget. if you find the image online while I'm selling it and you enjoy the product you are a dirty thief.
Good day.
>>339697254
>>Because patents are protected for a good reason. They incentivize people to invent new things
No, they incentivize corporations who have infinite money to steal things from the people and then "protect" them so the people can't steal for them. Next.
I pirate because I'm poor. I don't brag or think it's better. It's actually a hassle desu.
>>339697329
>complains about corporations not following the law
>doesn't follow the law himself
Stop trying to justify your actions. You have no ethical justification for this.
>>339688035
I don't pirate anymore. I don't even have the time to play the games I can easily afford, so what would be the point.
Last thing I pirated for was the DS.
>>339693080
>>guy leaves an apple in the middle of the road
no one does this
>guy grows an apple tree in his yard
>some bloke hops over his fence and takes an apple off of the tree
>yo get the hell out of my yard
>>durr if you dont want me to take it, you shouldnt grow your tree in plain sight
>guy puts a greenhouse around his tree and gets a bigass guard Dognuvio
>>durr you're just making it harder for customers to buy your apples. That shit was mealy anyway
>guy continues to sell apples at the market
>>339688035
First off, pirating doesn't really effect sales. People on 4chan and similar sites just forget how relatively out of the normie crowd they are. The Cowadoodys and the Stellaris' will never have a significant dent made into their income because pirates represent a stark minority of players.
If you are a pirate and were never going to pay for the game if you could not find a pirated version of it, then that is not a lost sale.
There is nothing wrong with trying something out before buying, you just need to make sure you adhere to your own morals about it.
Personally I buy my games since I am picky and hate dealing with slow torrents and like playing multiplayer.
>>339697060
B-but t-the lost sales means the d-devs didn't make e-enough money a-and can't continue on.
W-wait, what d-do you mean the game was s-shit and had horrible d-dev practices? I-It didn't sell well b-because y-you didn't s-support the devs!
>>339697114
Nope, that's a strawman. But its okay. I never told you what my position was, right?
My position is that piracy is "excusable" while digital products salesmen continue to be such fucking goons, doing whatever they can to stay on the unregulated grey side of the law. The side where they can habitually fuck ou over and deny you rights because the world still isnt prepared to deal with the internet.
My ideal proposition is one where both piracy and digital service providers shady practices stop existing all together.
See? I dont defend piracy should exist . I defend both piracy and digital media platforms in their current form should die.
>>339697350
Not that guy, but I've never seen anybody so mad.
erotic picture, though. nice!
>>339697421
t. High school socialist
>>339697350
You want to understand my mindset? It's like how people who actually studied in school get mad that cheaters get the same grades without the work. I don't understand piracy one bit, being patient and buying games during sales and ONLY buying games that you will play instead of building a giant backlog is cheaper than paying for a VPN and stuff to get away with piracy.
>>339688035
I pirate because i can, i don't defend it
Free stuff yo
>>339688457
Creating stories and art for a living has been a noble pursuit since ancient times.
If we all adopt the idea that this only should be a sparetime endeavor, then we'll just get worse art and worse stories.
But isn't the end game, when we have plenty of food and energy, to have better stories and better art?
>>339697503
>Doesnt follow the law.
Says who? See? You're making the samr mistakr those digital goods sellers make: you're applying a blanket law to all your customers. Where I live, its NOT against the law to download/ torrent.
>>339688035
>Pic related
Actually, there's nothing wrong with physically copying a physical item, by making a mockup of it, then just using it for yourself. The idea is "free" (because you can see it), while you pay for the materials and make it (free labor).
So in the case of pic related, there's nothing wrong with it. Say I wanted to make a doghouse for my dog, and I go to Petsmart or something to copy one of the design of a doghouse they have in stock. After figuring it out, I go and buy the materials somewhere to make said doghouse. There's nothing "pirate-y" about that scenario.
Although there are those who want it to not be free, even if it's for personal use only. They're the problem in society.
But for other things, like non-tangible intellectual properties (ie ideas), it's wrong. Like games, for example. The materials (software, etc.) you can either get free or buy it from a 3rd party (making it a non-factor), leaving the idea as the only thing of value--that is what the devs are selling. How the game was put together, the art/graphics, how technology was used, and the experience.
It's the same thing with movies and music. They're selling you the experience, the entertainment, etc.
TL;DR: Your example is stupid.
>>339688035
Like if I need to defend myself.
What the fuck are you going to do if my argument aren't good enough? Track my ip and then make me pay for all the game I've been pirating?
>>339697568
I know what he said was retarded, but you didn't have to play his game by being more retarded.
>>339697660
To be honest, patents have been abuses in the last 15 or so years.
See: petrol companies buying out electrical cars/engines patents and holding them ransom for 10 years (however long patents last without you doing anything with them).
>>339697587
And my position is that your position will NEVER get the industry to change.
>someone pirates game while complaining about the industry
>industry sees someone who will just pirate their game no matter what, sees it as a more worthwhile investment to make their DRM more intrusive
>someone refuses to buy a game
>industry sees it as a worthwhile investment to cater to them if there's enough people like that (and given that how many pirates exist, if they played by the rules then change WOULD happen)
It's like how Microsoft depends on piracy to prevent competition from arising. As long as people pirate Windows instead of using a free competitor, those free competitors will never get the third party support Windows has and Microsoft can continue to be as draconian as they want.
>>339697792
HeIlo Reddit, this site is for people over 21.
>>339697690
This. Just fucking embrace it, why make excuses and shit
I can do it and easily so im gunna
>>339697841
just telling it like it is, bruh
What if I believe that games\movies\music is supposed to be art, and turning art into business is immoral?
>>339697660
>It's like how people who actually studied in school get mad that cheaters get the same grades without the work.
So you're mad at the corporations exploiting laws for their criminal actions and being above legal scrutiny while fucking over the honest people then?
>>339697934
Yes. I'm also mad at the pirates too. I can be mad at both. This thread is about pirates, not le ebul business/1% though.
>don't mind me, just copying this glass of water
It doesn't matter now that piracy is dead. One version of Denuvo may get cracked, but that won't stop the next version, and the one after that.
>>339697710
US copyright law can be enforced almost anywhere that has Internet access.
>>339698057
>piracy is dead
>every game made from now on will use Denuvo
>>339697756
This.
If he could actually do what he does in that comic, he's totally allowed to do so, provided he doesn't sell any of them.
>>339698013
Well, perhaps you should start at the source then. The fish stinks from the head as they say.
>>339698078
However, it isn't.
>>339697710
What do you mean torrenting is legal? Torrenting is legal in the vast majority of countries because it has legal uses. Violating copyright being legal is what laws you should be showing me.
>>339698057
What's that got to do with anything though?
Fun fact
Piracy is one of the only ways to reasonably preserve games.
You know those games you loved but were taken off of XBL Steam or PSNor Origin
Everything that can be lost, will be lost if you don't take the steps to make a copy that can be used on any system at any time in the future.
Piracy is also preservation. One just supports the notion of prepping for the future.
As we move forward to a more digital age, the lack of physical mediums to archive that data or access it becomes more scarce. If you dont pirate to preserve, you dont care for the future and what it could hold.
I wouldn't have bought the game anyway, so why should I give a shit.
There's literally no loss for the seller in the least.
>>339698117
>every game made from now on will use Denuvo
G L O R I O U S
>>339688035
>Poorfags
Do you already regret your Overwatch purchase?
>>339698270
Doesn't mean you should still be able to get it for free.
>>339698161
No, I'm still going to hate pirates first, because customers or the lack thereof are responsible for who is successful on the market. Pirates just incentivize things like DRM. If they all banded together and protested shitty DRM and things like that, the game industry would be a lot better. But they don't, they resort to piracy because they're just entitled.
>>339698261
Oh yeee?
I just pirate when I'm broke, if I have the money I buy the game.
Don't worry pirates, you can go read a book instead and educate yourselves.
>>339698319
i refunded it actually
>>339698358
i bought a lot of games after pirating. if i enjoy it i buy it
>>339697890
>not giving a fuck about beta moralfag is now a reddit behavior
fucking retard
>>339698270
>wasn't going to buy it, but I'll play the game til the end :^)
Here comes the faggot
>>339691545
I pirate because I can.
If I could pirate tangible things as well, I would
At all times, I aim at minimizing of cash I lose and piracy is exactly this.
>>339698416
>being this defensive
Spotted the underage mommy boy.
>>339698350
>because customers or the lack thereof are responsible for who is successful on the market.
Yes, this is why the most pirated media is most successful overall.
Oh wait.
>If they all banded together
So, communism?
>>339698261
Thanks for reminding that dawngate is dead and my only chance of playing it is in a dota 2 custom map and it will never be completed
>>339698536
arite m8
>>339694741
Who are you quoting?
Now that nobody can crack Denuvo. We will tell our children's children there was a time when video games were free.
>>339698549
Banding together is not communist in and of itself, group boycotts are an integral part of capitalism as well. Communism has more to do with the communal ownership and explicitely banning the profit motive.
>hurr durr the most pirated games are the most well selling games
No shit. Popular games are popular among both groups of people. But companies spend so much money on DRM because they've done a lot of research that shows it protects their revenue more than it costs them to implement it, or else they wouldn't do it. If piracy was a virtual non issue, they would see investing in DRM as a loss and wouldn't do it.
>>339698610
>dawngate
i played the shit out of that
im now friends with the head visual designer for visuals and characters. he wants it back too. he never got to play the game he made because he put so much effort into making it.
this is a prime example of what you should do for piracy. server emulation would have saved it, but nobody took the time and EA pulled it before we could analyze how it worked.
and then throw in the PT nonsense too
>>339698761
Haha, who's children, again?
In any case, all of our children will be playing F2P shit on their phones, so they'll THINK video games are free.
>>339698785
Like I said my best chance of enjoying it again is that dawngate custom map in dota 2
>>339698761
>denuvo
securom wants a word with you
>>339698862
>who's
I of course mean whose.
Excuse me.
>>339698926
>all these words
I've only been buying DRM free for PC for over five years now. What's Denuvo and Securom?
>>339698921
Faris Mina and Lilin here
Who were your mains?
Tell me anon
>>339689173
Not at all but you can get damn close if you have skill in customs.
>>339688035
>someone buys game
>mods it and adds crack
>this is stealing
>>339694070
You realize that people actually do get payed for making Linux and free software right?
>gift a game to someone on s/fur
>turns out that they had pirated the game and were using me to "pay for the game because they liked it"
>>339700061
Also, WHO THE FUCK PIRATES AN OBVIOUSLY-AMAZING GAME THAT'S $10 AND GOES TO $1 EVERY FEW MONTHS
>>339688035
How was the shop owners bike created? Did he pay for it?
If copying bikes out of thin air was real, why would you build them using labor and ressources?
>>339700061
>ever paying for other people's video games
What the fuck, man.
in any other business it would be considered a problem on the part of the producers, that they are unable to protect their property. No one can be surprised that if humans can get away with getting a bunch of shit for free they will take that chance.
>>339700061
I bet you donate money to girl streamers as well, faggot.
>>339694373
>You're not entitled to spy on me and gather my purchasing habits either.
Ever heard of cash?
>>339701013
Ever heard of windows?
>>339694070
>Nobody makes money off of producing open source software.
>>339701147
I prefer linux myself
>>339701013
>Windows knows whether or not I payed, how and when I payed.
>>339694070
People do get paid to make that shit though
>>339701406
its part of the botnet and telemetry
granted to only makes an impact to people like me but its very much a real thing
>>339691078
>Notch is a greedy jerk.
Why is that?
>>339701406
>>339701575
If it smells like spyware, and looks like spyware, then WIN10 is SPYWARE. Zero exaggeration of the definition.
>>339701684
He just jealous he can't be a billionaire and shitpost on Twitter all day while offending SJW's who complain that he doesn't fund their games.
>>339701740
it hurts but i have to for what i do.
i dont have a choice without abandoning the hobby
>>339701281
I meant actual windows, throw yourself out of one.
I keep pirating Bethesda games but they're not out of business yet, what's going wrong? Why haven't my 25 million downloads of Fallout 4 put them out of business?
>>339701818
Well he can be. He is.
The last burn he served regarding mansplaining was great.
>>339701854
Whats the hobby?
>>339701575
>>339701740
I'm talking about cash purchases...
>>339698753
your state of mind
>>339701930
Preserving video game prototypes and data.
I have a build that requires win10 to be able to function and theres no way around it.
its actual sufferingthe DR4 rumors are real, and i wish that shitter on neogaf didnt break the silence
>>339701941
botnet will be able to tell if you actually did. it's that detailed anon
>>339688035
>be a poorfag
>try to steal something you want because you are too poor to pay for it
>too lazy to work to buy what you want
>go to steal it
>clerk or store owner pulls out a shotgun
>poorfag gets GG'd
>parents cry crocodile tears
>know you were a worthless faggot
>>339702025
Build a second pc without internet for it, or unplug the internet for it.
Or use a VM.
>>339702071
your baiting a specific /pol/ related reply huh
>>339702025
How will it be able to tell who and when the cash purchase was made?
And if not, how could that be used to gather info on purchasing habits like this thieving fella,
>>339694373
is complaining about
>>339702071
>comparing copying a certain arrangement of replicatable 1s and 0s to removing a unique physical arrangement of molecules
vacate my home planet post-haste.
>>339702174
i play it without any internet connection, its the only safe way
>vm
im gonna need a more powerful system to run it in a VM. shit already takes more than half of my cpu ram and graphics card power on its own just loading.
>>339702232
im not here to educate you im here to warn you
>>339702175
>bating for grammar nazis
huh
>>339688035
I do this all the time. Fucking bike shop fags don't know what hit em.
>>339702289
Seems like you're full of shit when trying to justify your thieving ways
>>339688035
Charing 79 dollars for a 15 dollar bike, and people wonder why this happens.
Look at Britney Spears! She wanted to buy a Private Jet Mark 7 but she had to settle for a Private Jet Mark 5 thanks to you dirty piratefags!
>>339688035
Piratefags are ruining gaming
>>339698478
this
>>339702175
>thinking its bait
welcome to what happens outside of your computer, worthless government support suckling faggot
>>339702389
Sources: My ass^[1]
>>339695010
So we should buy games even when the games are shit?
No that is fucking stupid and you're a fucking moron. They don't get to just ask for my money and expect me to hand it over. If they want my money they had better make something worth my money. If they don't, I'm just going to pirate or buy it second hand and they can go fuck themselves. If they were really interested in profits they'd try to please the consumer.
>>339695010
>open source forces communism on society
Book chute pls
>>339694070
>No one gets paid for open source software
>Its not a good way to pimp out a CV
The debat is stupid because just looking at the numbers piracy doesn't impact sales at all.
And it doesn't matter because piracy is pretty much dead, current gen consoles can't play copied games yet and denuvo is used more and more.
Piracy, big deal indead.
valve killed piracy
>>339698478
this is the only reason at all aside from those of you who are too young to even have a job or just too fucking lazy
when it comes to the generation today, it falls under "too fucking lazy"
dont deny it
>>339688035
Yeah they may not lose money from one person making a copy of the bike but if suddenly everyone just made a copy of the bike without supporting the person who makes it then the person who makes it will no longer make bikes because they cant afford to, the bikes will just be of poor low-grade quality (modern AAA games)
>>339702616
>just looking at the numbers
sources pls
>doesn't impact sales
credentials pls
>>339702731
But most people don't know how to copy bikes anon
>>339694758
>When you resort to piracy to protest the publishers/game devs, they see no reason to change their behavior because
That's the funny part, they never see a reason to "change their behavior". In fact they look every second of every day for a way to milk their customers more.
And Video-games are not washing powder, it's an entertainment business and as a musician myself I don't do it for the money, just knowing that all over the world people listen to my shit or when I play live is reward enough. In fact it's fucking magical. And that's the "right" mentality if there is one at all.
The industry is jewified and disgusting and no morally sane person would give a shit about those multi-billion $ corporations.
If you are really worried about their money why don't you go ahead and send Activision some money? They could buy new bumper stickers for their jet fleet!
>>339702662
valve killed pc gaming
>>339702785
Still, enough people have the tools there to do it.
If you're too poor to afford a game, get a job or borrow it off a friend. If you know you're not going to buy it, dont pirate it.
Capitalism falls apart when it comes into contact with post-scarcity issues such as piracy.
>>339702731
>blaming bad AAA games on pirating
What kind of level 4 turbo cuck logic loops are you using?
>>339703034
Yeah those AAA titles are really bleeding money
Soon they might not be able to afford several millions in marketing + paying off reviewers!!!
WHAT A HORRIBLE FUTURE GOD IM SO SORRY
>>339702731
t. Indie dev
I pirate everything because I don't want to waste any money in something so trivial like a videogame or a fucking tv show.
What are you going to do about it you little shits?
>>339703035
They're not going to put the effort, time and money into games if people will just pirate them get bored and not even pay.
>>339703035
I-if anything, piracy helps the industry!
>>339703123
So because a small portion of your sales population might "steal" the product you just give up all effort and make shit products because muh feels? Sounds to me like the company should go out of business anyway if they are gonna be moody little bitches that make bad products
Please kill yourself
Hope you all pay for your porn too.
>>339703117
My nigga. Why pay for something I can get for free with minimal effort. Just a bunch of clicks and I can play free vidya. If my ISP doesn't care about it, why should I?
>>339703034
Piracy was always there for every medium, and they always bawwwl'd their eyes out that the industry will die now.
But oh wonder every medium has always only shown growth. Ever. It's growing every year since decades and people still fall for the myth and feel sorry for those disgusting jews.
6 MILLION! PIRACY IS KILLING VIDEO-GAMES, WE ARE TOO POOR TO MAKE THEM NOW!
Only the biggest idiots would fall for that shit, and looky here the planet is full of fucking idiots.
>pirate undertale
>play through it
>shit sucks
>have immense satisfaction that I didn't give a cuck my money for a bad product
>>339703160
It does tho, you incredible cretin. Or how would you explain the ever steady growth? I mean I'm sure you can do basic math, right?
So riddle me this, Timmy has a soda stand, and he claims that he loses money, but when we look on his bank account it's saying that he is getting more and more money, every day.
How can that be? Is Timmy lying?
>>339703464
>Pirating /v/'s game
leave. now.
>>339703598
woah there don't hurt yourself
>>339703603
>/v/'s game
It's a one playtrough story RPG for the "le Erthbund" crowd
>>339703284
Its not that they cant make the games because of "muh feels" but they cant because if the game recieves good reviews, more people are likely to pirate it because they either want to:
1. Play but not have to pay for because there poorfags
2. See how it runs on their PC to see if they would have to upgrade their PC which they cant afford because they're, you guessed it POORFAGS
If you made something that took time and money to make but a small amount of people took it copied it and shared that copy again and again with others you'd be pretty pissed off because thats you're livelihood that they're taking from you.
>ITT Socialists that think they have a right to own things that they haven't payed for.
>>339703598
Timmy lied for sympathy and advertising for his business!
>>339703692
what a fucking kike
Piracy was the ultimate defense by game makers/publishers for bad sales, always lying about lost revenue. Fucktards eat pr talk.
>>339703676
>If you made something that took time and money to make but a small amount of people took it copied it and shared that copy again and again with others you'd be pretty pissed off because thats you're livelihood that they're taking from you.
The problem is that this never happened.
That's the rule of the free market, if you got a good product that people want it will sell.
The only exception to that rule is plain and simply bad luck or faulty advertising.
You are a moron basically.
>>339703676
You are the biggest corporate cuck I've ever seen
Bravo
>>339703603
You mean tumblr's game, stupid frogposter.
>>339703676
Are you implying if I purchase a video game I own it?
>>339703849
>You are a moron basically.
>>339703907
>corporate cuck
Top ad-hominem guys. Just accepted it you can't argue with my logic so you result insulting my character.
Pitiful.
>>339703692
Correct!
>>339704031
Because you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
If you post inane anti-consumer dumbass shit, guess what? People will treat you like a dumbass.
>>339697060
They do affect us. It encourages shitty PC ports and DENUVO.
>>339704031
>you can't argue with my logic
BWAHAAHAHAAH
also these >>339703598
>>339703326
But the bike wouldn't exist if the person didn't create it first.
The copier is still contingent upon the original creator.
In a weird way, the pirate is actually stealing from other consumers. Since no studio would develop a game if it was just going to be taken without compensation. The only reason piracy doesn't "harm" anyone is because there are a lot of people willing to actually pay for it.
Basically, pirates are the "free riders" of society, leeching off other peoples labor and effort.
>>339704031
The fuck are you talking about? The argument is right there, above me calling you a moron, you moron.
>>339688035
He owns the bike and is free to sell it to anyone who's willing to buy it, he does not own the costumer.
>>339704180
>It encourages shitty PC ports and DENUVO.
The shitty ports are a part of how they fuck us since 06. To make more money, because they don't care for quality only profit. They don't give a shit about your ass why do you give a shit about them? Are you a self hating jew??
>>339688035
>morals in /v/
What did OP mean by this?
>>339694550
As soon as devs stopped caring about the quality of the actual game, as opposed to the trailer and various other marketing materials. Hard to pinpoint an exact moment.
>>339703290
/thread
>>339688035
Damn fucking straight I will, so long as companies keep trying to trick me into buying overpriced shit games
>>339688035
did it really take 5 panels to explain that?
If you're trying to teach 4 year olds that piracy affects sales, then good job I suppose.
>>339688035
So the salesman wanted to charge the guy for something he didn't spend a dime in crafting?? the copy cost him shit... what a bullshit salesman, he deserves to lose his enterprise with such a stupid argument.
>>339704180
>implying that it is not the companies that encourage copy protection.
>>339688035
There aren't millions of dribbling retards buying the bike in this example. When I downloaded Fo4 Bethesda survived.
>>339704898
>Bethesda survived.
Unfortunately.
>>339703676
I bet you paid for your Winrar too you fucking hypocrite.
>>339705162
>paying for something so that your computer can work properly
Yeah bruhz make sure you subscribe to YouTube Red!
>>339704868
It's not even true you idiot, it's not even remotely the same.
>>339705310
That went straight over your head didn't it son?
>>339705389
Piracy doesn't affect sales figures?
>>339705536
Not negatively apparently or not every entertainment industry wouldn't have shown only growth and nothing but growth.
It's simple math, I don't really know how people can not see this. It's so fucking obvious.
Occasionally I'll pirate something if I have some reason I don't want to buy it. There isn't really a justification, I do it because I can get away with it
>>339688035
>Play all the games on ultra
>Have a WiiU with loadiine
>Have a 3DS with CFW
But hey, someone has to finance my videogames, have fun paying!
>>339694073
>China
>not capitalistic
TOP FUCKING KEK
>>339705686
Are you saying that if people pirated games/media then growth would be impossible?
Because that can be accounted in other ways, such as more people are buying media than before (not necessarily pirates that have had a change of heart, old fashioned growth).
If 10% of the entire industry have always and will always pirate media, then you can pretend that they don't exist and just go by the sales figures and generated revenue, But the fact is that their revenue and sales figures are worth 10% more.
>>339695010
>Open source software is not mainstream
Stopped reading right there.
>>339705536
Not significantly, it would only be noticeable for niche games. If someone can't afford a game and choose to pirate it, its not like they would magically be able to afford it if they were prevented from pirating it. That means the only sales the company is actually losing is from people who would have bought the game if they weren't able to pirate it. For most AAA games that number pales in comparison to the number of people who do buy it.
>>339688035
FIXED THAT FOR YOU
>>339706335
>hates bikes
>rides bikes
nice projection SJW shizo
>>339706520
>hates weebshit games
>pirates popular weebshit game of the month that's being shilled all over /v/ nonstop
just because you hate something doesn't mean you won't try it for free
>SJW shizo
what the fuck are you even trying to imply
Jokes on you fuckers, I'm downloading 50GB of pirated games right now.
What are you going to do? Call the internet police?
>>339694070
DELETE THIS,YOU MUST PAY FOR GAMES
>>339694070
>when there's no reward, nobody will want to create!
Oh yeah, Newgrounds was a barren wasteland because 'no money, what's the point?!'
>>339706613
>just because you hate something doesn't mean you won't try it for free
spoken like a true mental patient
>>339696710
underrated.
This comic always bewilders me. I'm 99% certain it's supposed to make the shop keeper look like the guy in the right but I mean, "that'll be 79$ plus tax", what kind of shithead are you, you're not getting money when your bike is still there, maybe ask like 5 bucks for the guy to take your bike as a template for his magic bike multiplication skills but what on earth makes you think you can charge the full price for that.
And the "bad guy" even goes "stop acting so entitled to my money", and fuck he's right. Obviously that doesn't work out with digital products like video games, where you're not sold a physical object so much as the right to use same copy everyone shares, but this shitty ass bike analogy is falling apart
>it's another "/v/ doesn't understand the basic concept of potential profit" episode
You have to be 12 to not understand this. The whole market revolves around this idea.
>>339706641
NO, recomend some of the games you are downloading dickhead.
>>339697704
In the setting its not a spare time endeavour, unless you consider all time to be spare, because people have everything they need
>>339707852
Its not like companies\people who make actual good games ever suffer from piracy.
>Wanna play DaS3
>On medical leave so only 60% of paycheck and medical bills
>Scared to pirate cuz don't wanna get caught
>>339708051
Who said people don't get it? What if people just don't want to support jews?
>>339708337
caught by whom?
just use vpn\darknet if youre that paranoid
>>339708337
If you can't afford something, you can't afford it.
>>339708345
>yes goy, don't support them jews
>be an immoral thief instead, that will surely help society
The kikes win.
If you don't wanna support a shitty company then don't play their shitty games. Why are people so attracted to shitty games, even when they know they are shitty?
Would you ever eat literal feces, just so you can say that you tried it to make sure it tastes bad? Fucking masochists.
>>339708440
Its less cant afford it. More impatience.
Once I'm back from medical, I'll end up buying it because I'm too scared to pirate.
it is giving me some back log time though.
I'll feel bad about pirating when the execs, who don't even work on the game, aren't being paid ludicrous amounts
>>339708337
nice blog post
>>339708643
Thanks, please subscribe
>>339708440
Too bad I can get it for free.
>>339688035
So you can't make copys?
There is only one legit manufacturer of cars? because using that logic fiat, ford dodge are pirating cars now .
Seriously
Is there a single person here that actually buys music, movies, or anime, software? How expensive is Photoshop? Windows? Who even fucking buys digital data? You look like a moron if you do.
I will always buy your game if its still available as a new physical copy because I like owning games but if you release digital only or your game is so old that the only physical copies are consumer owned ebay copies that cost $70 from rarity then I pirate or emulate
>>339688035
>pirate game
>play the ever loving shit out of it
>buy it
>completely lose interest
>never touch it ever again
Anyone else have this problem?
>>339708610
>who don't even work on the game
Yes, they just sit around doing nothing, right?
If it weren't for them, there wouldn't be a game. No one can make a good game (see: not an indie pixel hipster shit) without help - without a producer.
Yes, these suits don't actually make the game, but they do everything else needed for the game to be made and published. Sure, some of them suits in the bigger companies are indeed actual kikes who just snort money and do nothing else, but to say that you don't want to pay for a game because part of it goes to a producer is retarded, sir, especially if we are talking about average or small companies.
>>339694073
because emigrating is super easy
>>339708795
If I was making a consistent profiyt out of using a program like Photoshop or Ableton then I would definitely consider paying for it
>>339708567
But anon
I care enough about the game to play it but not enough about the guys who made it to pay for it
Is that so hard to grasp
>>339708912
not as much as a problem as that girl has
>>339709032
It's not hard to understand, it's just egoistic, immature and immoral behavior. That's literally the way a child thinks.
It makes sense though; this is /v/.
>>339708912
I'm the other way around
When I pirate games I can't get myself to dedicate the time to finish it but if I pay for it I almost always play to get the most out of it
unless its shite but I usually make sure I'm gona like it
>>339688035
If you saved any image or anythin on the web, you are pirating too.
>>339688035
>it's a digital things are the same as physical things thread
Never go full retard.
In my mind, there are no rights or morals, only facts and actions
I can't have a car without paying for it because I don't want to deal with the drama and hassle of stealing a car. The makers of the car have earned their money not merely by designing and manufacturing the car but by utilizing the law and their own security practices to prevent me from acquiring the car without paying
Until musicians can figure out a way to force me to pay them, I'm going to take what's available to me
I've never pirated a video game before because I only play old games i already own, new games seem shit to me
But If I did want to play new games, I wouldn't be opposed to pirating
Basically what I'm saying is that if I personally made some product that could be freely copied and transferred over the Internet without any loss of value, I wouldn't expect to be able to sell it for a profit. That's just pure supply and demand. I've created something with infinite supply, so how could I expect to charge money for it?
>>339709335
Money is money, just the same.
The effort to create something is just the same.
And stealing is still stealing, just the same.
>>339691193
>>339691353
>These newfags
Been here since 2004, /v/ never liked piracy
>>339708934
I just don't see the work that they do to be worth the money they get, people in lower bands may lose their job, be made redundant whilst execs sit there smiling making hundreds of thousands sometimes millions a year plus bonuses, more money than really makes sense, you could fund a lot of jobs with that money but instead it goes to the execs in suits creating this giant financial / social divide.
>>339688035
to be fair, if we had the technology to replicate things like that, money would be a meaningless construct
>>339688457
whoever wrote this nonsense
>>339709421
Because in every other profession you pay for labour as well as the actual product
>>339708997
Photoshop uses subscription now, so I wouldn't.
>>339709421
>In my mind, there are no rights or morals
>>339688035
If you could copy object like that you would pretty much solve all world problems.
>>339709160
Immoral and egoistic, fine, immature tho? I don't see it. Maybe your mommy taught you to be a good boy and give money to people even when you don't have to, that's not virtues people are told "by default" though.
>>339694070
And you got paid for that post.
>>339688035
>Not being a based bike dev and setting it up to explode if it detects being a dup wizard copy.
Do you like getting stolen from?
>>339709421
So you only do and don't do stuff if there's a "punishment" system to allow or prevent you from doing stuff?
You are the shittiest of persons, and probably underage. Pic related.
>>339702479
If the games are shit, you should not play them at all.
>>339709546
The fedora criticism is just more of the same moral stuff
It just slides right off me
If you're trying to imply that I have bad fashion sense in real life, that's not going to work either because if I really did have bad fashion sense, I would be experiencing the sufferings of that in real life anyway and the opinion of a person on the Internet would be irrelevant to that
>>339709662
>not being based indie bike dev that doesn't mind you pirating it and encourages you to pirate if your country has retarded anti-bike laws
>>339709502
>I just don't see the work that they do to be worth the money they get
You don't see air either, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. You don't see their work because you don't want to.
Producers exist for a reason. There would literally be no video games if there wasn't an industry of producers to guide it. Vidya is not like painting, which can be done with minimal money by one single person.
>>339709421
>In my mind, there are no rights or morals, only facts and actions
This isn't reddit shitbag
>>339709675
You know that's basically almost the entirety of the world, right?
The reason why laws and punishment exist is cause people are dicks.
>>339709675
i don't care about morals so of course you can call me a "shitty" person, that's just the same moral stuff, I don't mind
OP why did you make an altered copy of based bike monk
>>339709594
Exchanging goods and services for other goods and services is not a "virtue" people know by default?
You are delusional.
>>339709908
"Shitbag" is just the same moral argument I don't care
As far as the Reddit argument, it's really the same. I am in fact here on 4chan so what you really mean by "reddit" is "I disapprove"
Same stuff
>>339698273
>Every game will start using denuvo
>piracy will die
>AAA companies still not getting more sales
>get so mad they start cucking buyers into monthly fees or they'll brick your computer
>>339706153
>Are you saying that if people pirated games/media then growth would be impossible?
That's the whole point of the opposition. That there will be no games, movies, music anymore
And we are not talking growth here, we are talking insane immense growth and nothing but.
In short there is no issue at fucking all.
>making art for the sake of making money
>demanding money for making art
>not having people give you stuff cause you inspired them and made them feel
worlds a joke
>>339688035
Okay that comic is hilarious. But even still, it is completely irrelevant because it deals with physical objects. If I sit down at my computer right now and make 1,000,000,000 copies of Bad Rats, I have not deprived the developers of billions of dollars of sales. I have just made billions of copies and I do not have the means or the infrastructure by which to sell those copies myself.
Reminder that Jesus copied Fish an Bread, so copying is completely moral.
>>339709830
>Acting this poor over bike when anyone including a NEETshit and a wageslave can get said bike, but you are all poor you need to copy a bike
I pirate games from developers I don't like just to spite them. Fuck you Ubisoft.
>>339709815
you tell 'em bruh! it's not like it was a real person who made that point rite? xD
ITT: degenerate poorfags and shutin autists who have no grip on reality.
I almost never enjoy a game I've gotten for free or a really low price.
I just feel no commitment to it. But when I buy a full price game I feel that I need to fucking get my money's worth, so as a result I almost always do end up enjoying it.
It's why I don't really pirate or emulate, it's like; if I have everything, I have nothing.
>>339710064
>piracy will die
not a problem
ive been playing indie\free\old games for years now
>>339710134
Don't be too hard on yourself anon~kun.
>>339710104
>Cloning and copying are the same thing
>>339710218Read the whole post before making a reply
>>339688457
Japan was in the wrong when they suffered such retarded shit to be born
>>339710073
It's an industry, hundreds of people are working on the game and hundreds more are working to promote the game and make sure the developers have the resources they need. That can't exist without money and people can't work full time job hours for no pay.
Unless you want to play 100 versions of undertale a year that's the way it has to be
>>339710132
What does it matter to me if a person who doesn't know me doesn't like me?
All that matters to me is the people in my actual life
>>339710182
That's more a case for a psychiatrist dude.
>>339709996
This comic is wrong, because in reality, the shop would have more than one bike. In the comic, not much damage is done because the shopkeeper got his money anyways as he only had one single bike to sell, but in the real world, there are more than one bikes and vidya.
Piracy is theft, not because you are stealing physical goods, but because you are stealing money that the company/dev/shopkeeper would have made if you didn't pirate it.
>>339710352
>Actual game quality declined over the decades
>Insane greed and jewing is necessary!
>>339688035
>he is a wizard that can materialize whatever item he wants out of the ether
>still won't just make 80 buck appear to pay this bicycle LE HAPPY MERCHANT
Seems like a bro. I'd let him materialize a copy of my girl and fuck her in front of me.
>>339709902
You're twisting my words, I see the work they do, I just think it's wrong for someone to work their butt off and make giant sums of money which they don't particularly need, and is just a luxury at this point, while someone else in the same company works their butt off and gets paid significantly less. I don't mind execs being paid more but the amount more that they can and a lot of the times do get is inherently wrong.
>>339710352
100% this. Vidya is not like artwork, which can and usually is done by a single person. You simply can not make a good, respectable game if you don't work under a company.
>>339710296
i did, it's nothing to do with me, im not gonna upgrade to botnet 15 or whatever its called, and by the time ill have even stronger pc and emulation will become even more trivial.
>>339710508
Of course it's not but even in your "golden age" people needed to work full time jobs to make your favourite games you cuck
>>339688035
The only thing I see here is an idiot bike shop guy. I would've ran after the guy and hired him. I mean the guy can clone bikes.
>>339710352
>It's an industry
it was better when it wast.
>That can't exist
you dont need marketing to make good games
>>339688035
OP can you show me the date this file was created if you're still here
>>339709487
wheres your genuine certificate of oldfag? fuck off liar
>>339710568
Okay, we can agree on that one. The paying ratio could and should be better balanced.
>pirates
Tfw i only really started being a software pirate because winblows is overpriced in my opinion, and at the time i started couldnt get linux to work because user friendly linux was almost un heard of ot cost more than windows.
Tfw i started pirating video games because they were out of print snes and gameboy games that were impossible to find without paying tip top dollar to get your hands on them.
Tfw i still only pirate older generation console games because they are out of print and i finally have an older gen console to play them on. (Ive never had a console of the "current gen" until now, feels good man)
Tfw i dont know if i am really doing something wrong here. The only copies of these games that i can buy are at second hand stores, and the publishers are no longer getting money from them because second hand sales go to the seller directly.
Tfw i only pirate movies if i am curious about if its good or not. And then go buy the dvd but keep the digital pitate copy just because its easier to fire up the digital copy and keep my physical copy clean and pristine.
>>339710687
>it was better when it wast.
It literally always was one though. It might have been a smaller one some time ago, but it always was an industry. Video games were never a thing some guy did by himself in his basement, save maybe for the initial few years in the 70s, but those experiments could hardly count for being video games.
>>339695010
Hey, according to economics all digital products should be free as the marginal cost for creating a new unit is 0.
Read a book before you talk about economics, faglord.
Imagine that you could walk up to a normal Apple, and snap a photograph, then had some magic device that created an apple from the photograph
Now imagine these magic devices are cheap and just about everybody's got one
There wouldn't be an apple business would there?
Sure somebody has to make the original apples, but those people wouldn't expect to make much money creating real apples
Intellectual property doesn't make any sense
>being a poorfag
>Still living in your mom's basement waiting for cracked copies
>>339710842
>buyfags
>>339710687
>it was better when it wast.
It ALWAYS was an industry you idiot.
>you dont need marketing to make good games
Yes you do. If there was no marketing, people would simply not know about said vidya. Ergo, no one would buy said vidya.
I don't you understand economics, the industry, or even simply how the world works. How old are you?
>>339710930
only some of the best games are made by one-two guys in a basement
>>339708912
sauce
>publishers
>tens, perhaps hundreds, of millions of dollars - a lot of which is spent on marketing and buying reviews
>developers
>already paid for their work, get nothing out of my purchase
>me
>get to buy groceries for another week with the money saved
Why the fuck WOULDN'T I pirate? I'm in more need of the money then some fucking suit
>>339711062
old enough that i think now is the time to leave this place, looking at who replaced people like me here.
>>339711114
>things that never happen
>>339710614
>cuck
I would say point disregarded, but you don't have one.
>>339688035
If this guy an duplicate real world objects, why doesn't he just duplicate money and buy it.
>>339711015
that
that's, really sweet and kind of hot, i don't even know if i want to be the kids or the woman
>>339711179
>LOOK AT ME GUY I'M AN OLDFAG I SWEAR THEREFORE I AM RIGHT BY DEFAULT I WIN HAHA
>>339710047
Well obviously everyone is aware of the convention, but saving your dough is a virtue just as well. I can just get what I want for free. I'm not reaaaaally hurting anyone in the process and it's technically not even really illegal where I am from.
Here I value your work so much I'm gonna give you money out of some thinly veiled moral obligation to do so rather than a real requirement to, say what you will, that's not what I've been brought up with.
I also don't tip btw
Buying games in a third world country is a pain in the ass, and if you can't get a decent game for a reasonable price, you can't just not pirate games
>>339711228
cause its a strawman
>>339688035
Never gets old.
The store owner loses literally nothing.
>>339711228
Christians - 1
Atheists - 0
>>339711228
You have it exactly backwards
That would eventually lead to inflation and money would become useless
So he just misses the step where inflation destroys the economy and skips right to the part where he enjoys the product for free
>>339689336
I pirate DLC but pay for the actual game, is this an acceptable excuse? Some games just get too fucking greedy with that DLC, like for example The Sims
>>339711129
This and there is no problem with piracy and every little nigger spouting corporate myths in here can't do simple math.
>>339711342
tipping is fucking retarded
why have a job so shit that you can't even live from it
I don't get people who pirate when games are dirt cheap nowadays anyway. Mow a family member's yard twice a month and buy a game or two more a month. Keep up with sales and shit. It's not hard to not spend a lot, even if you're a supreme poorfag.
Only time I get it is if you're in Brazil or something where games cost a brazillion dollaros.
>>339711383
>money becomes useless
>everyone can just get food and good out of thin air
>this is somehow bad
>>339711428
That's kinda retarded, I wouldn't support a company with jew dlc policies at all.
>>339688035
What happens when someone who has no Copy powers wants to buy a bike.
>>339711114
don't fucking delude yourself, piratefag
>>339711519
I didn't say it was
>>339711489
>50 dollar game is a quarter of average 9-5 monthly check
thats why
>>339711342
>I'm not reaaaaally hurting anyone in the process
Yes you do. You were a potential costumer, and the profit the company, the dev, and publisher and the shopkeeper would make is now lost.
By the way, if you don't want to support them for whatever silly or serious reason you got then don't buy their game and don't even play it for free. Why would you wanna use the product of someone you dislike? That's hypocritical.
>it's technically not even really illegal where I am from.
Sweden? If so, I'm not surprised that your vision of morality is so damn twisted. Get a grip on reality.
>>339695183
>Steam
>Refunds
I guess you must enjoy getting that feature perma-blocked from your account after doing it more than once
>>339711616
>price returns to the actual value in reality as defined by the comic
>that's a bad thing tho cuz reasons
>>339711589
The thing is the games are fun and I enjoy them, but the main reason I enjoy them is because I can heavily mod them, so obviously I'm not gonna pay for their shitty DLC but I will buy the original game. The only reason I pirate the DLC is so I can use it to create mods.
>>339691593
You mean copyright infrigement
Just don't pirate indies and from smaller studios that are struggling
>>339711767
where the fuck are you from that bikes cost ten dollars
>>339711616
Sorry lad, but free market have won yet again
>>339688035
If that power existed the world would be a much better place.
>>339711616
well yes, it's the 2nd route of the original comic
mine did show the ending where the game is good
yours show the one where everyone pick it, play for 5 hours and forget it
so I agree, thank you, you saved me the trouble to make it myself
>>339711719
>Yes you do. You were a potential costumer, and the profit the company, the dev, and publisher and the shopkeeper would make is now lost.
You're not pro-abortions now are you?
>>339711616
dumbass went into the wrong business
imagine if 3d printing took off
so many manufacturers would be out of business because all someone would need is schematics and raw materials (assuming 3d printers could then mold up to steel)
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>>339711704
>Paying $50 for a game
>Only get paid $200 a month
I suggest either actually paying attention to deals or getting a job that pays a living wage and not pebbles and fossilized turds.
>>339694070
Please, I support free software as much as the next /g/uy but open source games tend to suck massively, 90% of the good ones are just open source ports.
>>339691242
cringe
>>339710957
That's not how economics work you idiot
>>339709421
>In my mind, there are no rights or morals
>Until musicians can figure out a way to force me to pay them, I'm going to take what's available to me
Nothing surprising here.
>>339711776
I'm might be retarded but I just can't give money to people that have horrible policies like dlc jewing. If anything, I'd rather lose the games if that meant an end to that kind of thing.
>>339710478
that's still not theft though.
i didn't steal any money. the money in question is still in my wallet, and never left my wallet, nor did i physically get up and take that money from someone else's wallet.
it is not theft.
is there a form of immorality towards piracy? yes.
does it fit the definition of the word "theft"? no.
the real problem, is that the word piracy was a bad choice. a new word should have been made up to describe this.
we need a NEW word. describing it as theft is just too vague. it's not technically accurate enough to fit the act.
>>339703034
>digital goods are a post-scarcityissue
Yeah if you discount the fact that time and even money (purchasing equipment or hiring musicians) went into creating it
Piracy is labour theft.
>>339711616
wow that guy sure made a retarded mistake making bikes when magic wizards exist in the world
should have bought some wizard books instead.
>>339712038
But if I lose the game then I can't mod it, which is enjoyable for me
>>339712028
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost
>>339711953
thats why i dont buy games
and what part of "average wage" you didn't understand?
>>339688035
If all people pirated their games instead of buying them would the game industry benafit or loss from it. Because no matter how you look at it, if the industry no longer makes money it will cease to exist or at the very least be limited to indie games or games funded through charity.
>>339688035
>plus tax
that's retarded america, put the real price I'm going to pay on display please, because this is just false advertising.
>>339712034
>listening to faggots that demand money for their "art"
sure is pleb around here
>>339711719
We're just going in circles here. I was never a potential customer, I wouldn't have bought it, and I will play it because I care about the game, I just don't care enough to pay money for it. Or rather, I don't see any merit in paying money whatsoever. I don't have to, I get the same experience for free, it's just the better thing to do on my end. I buy online games, not because they are more support-worthy, it's simply because I have to in order to play at all. Single player stuff, no need to. Those are free for as long as nobody's making more effective DRM / the law (and it's enforcement) shift in ways that make it the better option for me to pay I guess...?
>Why would you wanna use the product of someone you dislike? That's hypocritical.
Is it? I can see that it would be were I to pay money. It's not that I dislike the devs, I just really don't care about them....?
>Sweden?
Germany thankyouverymuch
If so, why didnt the very first maker of the bike didnt stay the maker of all bikes for all etenity, since, you know, he invented it? Or like the inventer of the wheel. Fucking phonys! Stealing all the shit and glory of past inventors! This is not honoring them at ALL NOT AT ALL!
>Be poorfag high schooler
>Pirate shit ton of DS games
>enjoy them all.
>get a job
>go back and buy all the games I thoroughly enjoyed.
>pirate legend of grimrock 2 while poor.
>get a bit of money in and immediately buy a copy.
>pirate darkest dungeon cause poor.
>as soon as Im in the green again, I will buy a legit copy.
Why is this so hard for people.
>>339712285
wait, is that a thing? do you have to pay extra?
>>339711885
I said in the world as defined by the comic
Where people have the power to create bikes out of thin air
In that world bikes would actually be worth 0 dollars, just like video games are currently worth 0 dollars to sane people
>>339712506
As far as I know, everybody pays taxes in every country.
Other countries just have taxes included in the price. You're not "paying extra"
>>339712616
no i know, but do you actually have to pay the tag + additional fee? cause that is fucking retarded as fuck
>>339712272
If people care enough about games they will always exist in one way or another
If they don't care enough then good riddance
If they do there's no problem
>>339688457
>when there's no reward, nobody will want to create!
Objectively false.
>>339712680
Yes.
>>339712731
wow america, lets add that to the list of retarded things you do
>>339712795
that is sales tax and it isn't actually in my state, so not all of America
>>339712680
Doesn't seem retarded to me
Why would the store want to advertise their goods at a price that includes the cut that goes to the government rather than the price that they are asking for
>>339712596
fuck off SJW
>>339712680
It's not an "additional fee." Why is that hard for you to comprehend? It's taxes, just like every other country.
>>339688035
>pleb non-magical buyfags have a problem with this
>>339712356
>I wouldn't have bought it, and I will play it because I care about the game
That's where your "logic" crumbles down. This is the part that makes absolutely no sense. You want to play a game, but you always want it for free, like an entitled child. You can't have cake and eat it too, friend. It's all about "ME ME ME" with you. There are responsibility in the real world. People have worked hard for you to enjoy their product. Why not compensate them, you arrogant asshole?
>I don't hate them, I just don't care lol
What a childish thing to say. I am disgusted by your complete denial of basic societal rules and guidelines. If there were more people like you, society would literally just die off.
>Germany
Close enough. Still an entitled liberal shithole.
I believe it all boils down to you being lazy and egoistic enough to not pay for what you're getting, but desperately trying to find a "philosophical" excuse for your laziness.
>>339712860
cause why would you need to know that?
the price is how much money are you giving away for the thing you're getting, i didn't know tax existed until i was 24
>>339712680
>>339712731
Is that with every product? Or just after a certain price threshold? Like if I go and buy a chocolate bar from the late night shop around the corner, do I have to add like 5 cents to the price it says?
>452 replies
10/10 op.
>>339713006
The store is not responsible for telling you "what you need to know", their job is to tell you what they think will make you want to buy their product
Showing you a number that is less than what you'll actually be parting with seems like a demonstrably NOT-retarded strategy
>>339713002
I'm selfish, I'm egoistic, bla bla I don't know what gave you the impression I was trying to justify anything.
Call me when the world is falling apart, I'll muster up the dough when it happens, until then I'm cruising on my free games like a spoiled brat. Spoiled brats live a fine life I tell you
>>339713312
are (You) by any chance jewish?
>>339713290
Indeed.
>>339713290
america pls. we know you're special. its okay.
>>339688035
If we could copy physical objects with such ease everyone would be a millionare anyways making this whole argument redundant. Go fuck yourself for this poor bait OP.
>>339713312
This post says a lot about the moral ground of pirates. Thank you for that post.
>>339713002
>You can't have cake and eat it too
But I can! And the world hasn't literally died yet either!
I can't wait until matter rearrangers and replicators are invented and capitalism is gone forever
Not cuz capitalism is bad by any means but it will be funny to watch people cling to the old ways
>>339713002
>You can't have cake and eat it too
Okay, what the fuck does that mean? That is exactly what you do with a cake, you get it, and then you eat it. What the fuck is this the pinnacle of retarded food analogies.
>>339713312
>I'm selfish, I'm egoistic, bla bla I don't know what gave you the impression I was trying to justify anything.
>Call me when the world is falling apart, I'll muster up the dough when it happens, until then I'm cruising on my free games like a spoiled brat. Spoiled brats live a fine life I tell you
>>339713701
You are not a native English speaker, are you?
Game devs can cry all the way want, fact is they made a product that can be replicated for free
The price people are willing to pay will adjust accordingly, that's just economics
>>339713776
No, now explain yourself.
>>339713701
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=You+can%27t+have+cake+and+eat+it+too
>>339713701
after you eat your cake, you don't have it any more do you? It's gone
Or if you still have a cake, you have eaten it yet, and if you want to have it forever, you never get to eat it
You can both have your cake and eat that cake
>>339713290
>buying a game at Gamestop a really long time ago
>only have something like ~$53 and the game I wanted was $49.99
>ask the cashier how much the game is because I wasn't sure if I had enough for sales tax as well
>dipshit tells me $49.99 as if I can't read the fucking sticker that's right there
>"I meant with tax included (moron)"
>dipshit rings it up and I only barely had enough money so I was completely justified in asking
>>339713901
>It's gone
No its fucking not, you GOT it, you ate it, its inside of you. That is what having cake is, you fucking eat it. The action of having cake is eating it.
>>339690164
>he's bitching that people can benefit from his work for nothing.
Unless he invented the bicycle the wizard able to create an identical bike hasn't really interfered with his business.
There is nothing wrong with the position that piracy is theft with the least risk possible, but terrible analogies don't really make that argument.
Lets settle this democratically:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10377179
>>339695183
>that bitch and Lacy Green slowly brainwashing youth with their condescending onions and hypnotic "techno" musicstill hatefuck the shit out of thicki green tho
>>339713920
I'm not sure what this is suppose to illustrate
Either you had enough money to buy the game or you didn't, the price listed didn't effect sales at all in this case
>>339713095
please respond i'm curious.
>>339714060
>is it okay to pirate games
>yes
whatcha gonna do about it shithead?
>>339714014
If there was a cake in your fridge, waiting to be eaten, would you not say that you "have cake" ??
And if you ate that cake, and it was no longer in your fridge, would you still be saying, the next day or a week later, that you "have cake" ??
>>339714123
Having the "real" price not hidden Is clearly a basic convenience every store should have.
>>339713376
>>339713527
>>339713704
>...b-but... JEWS you're all JEWS haha fuck you
Buyfags at the end of the line
>>339714140
Yes you do
Most cheap items are like $1.04 because they are 99 cents plus tax
>>339711885
Where the fuck are you that you can clone bikes?
>>339709081
sauce plz
>>339713095
>>339714140
This, america amazes me
>>339713095
>>339714140
not every product. It depends on what it is. Things like food are not usually taxed as they're considered a necessity for living. Products are unless sold privately.
>>339714247
Yes, but its still just on standby, if you don't have cake, there is nothing you can eat, if you don't eat the cake, its pointless to have cake, cause its fucking food. The analogy is retarded.
>>339695010
>Open source software is not mainstream
couldn't you be more wrong?
>>339714326
>being a nihilistic fuck who doesn't care about western values and doesn't want to pay for products and services
>not jewish
>I don't care about the game devs and their game is available on the Internet for free so I'll take it for free
>so you just don't care you evil Jew?
>....yeah that's literally the first thing I said, I don't care
>wow this delusion, keep trying to justify theft you greedy Jew!!!!
>>339689473
3d printing looks pretty good now for the most part. But some sanding is needed most of the time, especially on smaller scale models where it's most noticeable.
It's not really the quality that prevents most people from 3d printing their own products for their own use, it's cost. There's a huge upfront cost and a not cheap materials cost for printing a figure/toy/copy of something that already exists, that is likely more expensive than just buying it to begin with.
It's really only worth it for one offs and prototypes that you will then make a mold of and cast.
>>339714552
>nihilistic
>caring about ANYTHING
>jews
>NOT caring about money
Actual final ultra edition reporting in
>>339714442
It's not pointless to have the cake cuz you could eat it later
The point is that you can't eat the cake and then still have the option to eat the cake later
I don't use the analogy I'm just explaining what it means
Piracy is inherently stealing, by definition. You are taking the product of somebody's work and not paying for it. Whether or not it's a copy, and whether or not it's an "evil corporation", people still put time and effort into making it and should be compensated for their work so that they can earn a living, because that's how the world works. If they just made it for fun and want to give it out for free, fine. But if they rely on people purchasing their game for a source of income, not fine. In the bike example, yes, the store owner still technically maintains a net loss of zero, but the pirate making that copy represents a now missed opportunity cost where the owner COULD HAVE made $80 that he now doesn't have and never will, and, realistically, just lost a customer that's now never going to buy one of his bikes again, because he doesn't need to.
Pirates, please stop trying to justify yourselves. You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. That's all there is to it. Stop overcompensating. It's pathetic.
>>339711746
You're joking, right? I've gotten dozens of Steam refunds.
I pirate things I can't get in my country because of shitty laws.
>>339714123
What if I had not asked about the price with tax because I forgot about it and walked up to the counter with $1-2 less than I had and I didn't have enough to cover the tax? If I only had $50 and thought it was $50 because that's what the price tag says and then it turns out OOPS IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE $52.50 (I forget what the tax rate was at the time) SO NO GAME FOR YOU LOL.
You're right that it wasn't really a problem in THAT case but it should be very fucking obvious right away how much something costs when including tax.
>>339714595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TgmvV2ElQ
>>339714710
Pirating isn't illegal in my country, but uploading the files is.
Try again.
>>339712936
Because it's retarded.
Put the fucking amount that the customer has to PAY on display. Not the amount that you get. He doesn't give a fuck how much money you get from the sale. He only cares about the amount that HE has to PAY.
Every other country does this the correct way but Burgerland has to be retarded once again.
>>339714808
That's still not a problem tho, because you didn't have enough money, the only loss was for you, not the store
If you didn't have enough to cover the tax, then you were never going to buy the game even if the price was accurately displayed
>>339714812
MUH
DIK
>>339714808
Or you could do basic math. Not everything has taxes applied to it and not everything is taxed at the same rate. To leave the adjusted markup of every product to individual outlets would create unnecessary and inconsistent work. Just do the fucking 4th grade math in your head and deal with it.
>>339714701
It's pointless to have cake for the sake of having cake sit there for eternity.
The sole purpose of cake is to be eaten.
I still don't understand how this analogy applies to videogame piracy.
>>339690164
There is no 'lost sale.' you're assuming that if the guy didn't have magic copying powers he would have bought it. In reality he just wouldn't have used the bike at all. There is NO situation where he would buy before trying, so really this is actually a potentially gained sale of the guy likes it.
>>339714962
Can't believe faggots are defending wrong price tags. America should be nuked.
MORALFAGS BTFO
http://www.strawpoll.me/10377179/
>>339714916
>Doing 4th grade math in my head is hard.
Wow...........so.................................. this is the............... woah............................................................................................................ power of.........................Europe
>>339714710
You just breathed in the air that I made at MY HOUSE. When will you pay me?
Piracy isn't logically justifiable.
You're starving the industry you enjoy. To make exceptions based how well the publisher/developers are financially is a paradoxical argument. The justification is not longer "supporting those who deserve it";it's "no one should do well" . So then companies add DRM and are allowed to flex the broken IP laws no different then the case against Sony for DeCSS.
Privacy isnt morally/ethically justifiable.
It's theft. Stealing (using someone as a means) is seen as unethical. The entire argument is described by Aristotle.
Also you're bring us closer to a panopticon. Thanks you fucking children.
>>339715086
That isn't even the most retarded things america has.
>>339715254
Nothing will ever EVER be as retarded as a TV License.
>>339715016
It doesn't need to sit there for eternity, it could sit for a couple days, or just one day. Maybe you're not really craving cake right now but you ARE hungry
You could choose to eat the cake now and satisfy your hunger but you're giving up the opportunity of saving it for a time when you're really craving the cake
The point of the saying is to highlight OPPORTUNITY COST, that should be obvious
for instance the opportunity cost of having a video game is supposed to be the things you cannot now spend money on it because you spent it on the game
But because of piracy, you can "have your cake and eat it to" because there's no opportunity cost to having the game, it's available for free on the Internet, so you get to have the game and spend your money on other stuff m
>>339715169aluminum
>>339714710
Actually no, stealing by definition means that the goods are removed from the owner which is not the case with piracy. That doesn't refute your argument though, it's just a linguistical problem.
Someone gotta pay to the thing continue you know.I am happy it isn't me.
>>339715172
You don't own it. It's seen as a natural resource that features a clear exception due to its difficulty to keep locked and abundance.
Stop being dumb
>>339715208
>You're starving the industry you enjoy.
I HATE the industry. I pay\donate for indie games that I actually enjoy. 90% of AAA games are fucking garbage, I'll be celebratin' when the industry fucking dies.
whats up cucks? wasting 50% of your monthly income in games and you wonder why your life is miserable? you can get the same product for free and you chose to spend money on it? Enjoy your endless DLC, neverending cucked by developers shitting on your face.
cuck cuck cuck
I will read this thread after bumplimit sink
>>339715315
I'm sorry WHAT?
>>339714812
It's a great idea, and if it can really cut down the printing time that drastically it would lower the time opportunity cost.
But again it's going to be a material cost issue. Unless they can invent the technology to make petroleum based polymers cheaper, or a new printing medium that is cheaper, it's still going to be held back by cost.
>>339715550
its a thing in the UK.
>>339715208
>You're starving the industry you enjoy.
The industry I USED to enjoy, you mean.
I still buy games from companies I know I like.
>>339715423
Video games are difficult to keep locked and in literally infinite supply
They are available for free for literally the exact same reason air is free
People would sell air if they could prevent others from getting it for free but they cant
>>339715458
You're not listening. Those games you enjoy will die. Only triple a, locked out, "justified surveillance client" games will be left. You're giving the industry a reason to be shittier you dolt.
>>339714962
I sure as hell wouldn't go back there for a while if I didn't bring enough money because they didn't properly display the actual price, which actually is a loss for them.
>>339715005
When you deal exclusively in items that are taxed at the same rate there's no good excuse to not display the taxed price. Grocery stores and shit have an excuse but when it comes to a place like Gamestop there's none.
>>339715550
Ask the eurotards.
You have to pay for a license to use your TV. And it doesn't end there. Anything that is technically a "monitor" requires this TV license.
Fucking eurofags think America has retarded shit.
>>339715326
I still think that its retarded and I hate food analogies. But thanks for wasting your time on me anyway.
>>339715208
It's okay, there are enough moralfags who save the industry on my behalf. Threads like these make me realize I can pirate my heart out, you guys pay the bills for me, supply the industry with cash and subsequently new games for me to enjoy without paying them. I owe you. Not really. Not literally. But thanks.
>>339715423
I produced it specifically to sell though. How dare you take my work for free.
I don't pirate because I can afford all the games that I want because I budget my time and money for certain new releases or decide I can wait until a game goes on sale because it's not important that I play it as soon as it comes out
I'm not gonna act like I can't see why people pirate but I'm in a position where I don't have to so I don't
>>339715208
I buy games which I know need my support to even exist, eg. one man teams, self-publishers, bro devs
I pirate games from companies who I know will spend the bulk of it on corporate overhead, marketing, buying reviews and generally contributing to things that are poisoning the industry.
The industry profits, not starves, for every bit closer they get closer to dying
>>339691242
>video game companies don't give a shit about you
Name one major company that makes consumer goods that you think actually does care about you. Does that mean you think you should be able to steal whatever you want whenever you want? Go to a grocery store, steal a loaf of bread, and use "But Sunbeam doesn't care about me!" as a defense. I don't think anyone will be sympathetic to your plight.
>>339715713
That's fine but it's not normal, you must understand
You think the stores are just throwing away customers for no reason?
The prices are displayed as they are because market research demonstrates that most buyers have more than enough money on them to buy what they are shopping for and having a low display price and tacking on fees at the point of purchase is proven to increase sales relative to showing the higher price with fees included
>>339715208
It's logical in short term for yourself. Why pay for something you can get for free? Obviously this ignores the long term issues of damaging the industry which in some sense is self harm because you clearly wanted the product to begin with.
Regarding ethics you could argue that piracy is a way to increase freedom of data, a step towards a world with a massive data flow free from copyrights and similar. Obviously this entirely ignores that humanity is still in a position where people need incentives to do things.
>>339709487
Nah dude. Even 4 years ago we'd get threads like this and 80~% of the responses would be "haha faggot good job wasting your money"
no pirate is going to stop pirating because you think you're better than a pirate.
>>339688457
What's the game? I wanna pirate it even though it's weeb garbage
>>339715661
No they wont, autist that makes dwarf fortress is not gonna go anywhere. I'm not gonna go anywhere. I will make games for myself and for people for free, cause it should not be a fucking business. That piece of software that doesn't fucking exist, and some dude is making it an open source free thing that you can just get will not stop cause hes not getting paid for it, cause hes not a fucking jew, and is passionate about the THING not the MONEY.
>>339715851
That's a good point. Its like those retards buying hats.
>>339715745
I'm in europe, I never heard of that. That is retarded. What is the reason behind that?
>>339715936
If you want to make this kind of argument there's a very real argument to be made about the morality of stealing from say a supermarket chain vs a person.
While petty property theft is obviously immoral, Is it immoral to remove goods which are only there with the intent of exploiting resource for capital?
>>339716225
>gee i sure am passionate about this thing
>too bad i can't dedicate more time to it because i have to work a job at the deodorant factory to afford rent
>if someone paid me to do the thing i'm passionate about i'd probably focus on doing that
>but i have to relegate it to a hobby
>oh well
>at least i smell nice
>because of the deodorant
>>339715574
Wish there was a technology like that, but you could use all the plastic trash that's laying around.
>>339714698
>spent ages on this
>no (you)s
aw man
>>339716506
Its Incomprehensible
>>339715713
Constantly fluctuating prices and general extra work. They also sell things like goods, including food, and digital codes that are not taxed. You're trying to apply different rules to outlets based on your specific hobbies and using it to justify being lazy more than you are trying to fault the system.
>>339716426
>boy i sure wish i could make art and then people would pay me
>that will never interfere with my artistic vision or integrity never ever no siree
>>339716670
yeah man no one's ever made good art and gotten paid for it
>>339715642
No video games are defined as intellectual property. It's not something that inherently exist. It's not a mathematical formula either. Engines are debatable however, they have every right to protect the art behind it.
Regardless on the infinite supply, you're no longer providing compensation for artists to create. You're hoping artists will make just to make. It would be wonderful if that were always the case but video game development is an expensive venture. It's not just paint and canvas.
>>339715632
You're supporting bigger companies to lock down games entirely. It propagates the idea that you can only profit if you keep your game locked behind proprietary software.
All developers will do this to protect their ip.
>>339716008
Still stealing. Not ethically justified.
>>339715865
You didn't "till the land", it doesn't have your personalized connection, and you don't have a judicial ruling for you to have it. It's not yours.
>>339716425
>Is it immoral to remove goods which are only there with the intent of exploiting resource for capital?
Of course it is, you faggot. Sunbeam employs thousands of people. The grocery store employs tons of people too. If everyone just stole what they wanted and never paid them a dime, you would be putting countless hardworking people out of a job.
And before you say "One person stealing bread isn't even a drop in the bucket", remember that you are relying on all the other civilized people on the planet to actually pay for the goods they consume to make up for your theft. Why should you specifically be entitled to something free when everyone else has to pay for it to keep it on the shelves? It doesn't mean that they are suckers, it means you're an asshole.
>>339716878
yea dude, i am too awaiting the newest "Artpiece #19" by my favorite collaboration group "The Electric Artists"
>Hey Steve, do you want this rock? You can have it for free
>Nah, I'd rather pay you 60 bucks for it
>>339712392
>be in debt
>get out of debt
>spend all my money on games I ALREADY OWN and go back in debt
>get out of debt again
>repeat same stupid mistake
Your retarded
>>339716910
>it doesn't have your personalized connection
Yeah it does, I've put a signature on every hydrogen atom myself.
>>339717041
Ah, we're sticking our heads in our asses and only talking about megacorporate studios. I understand now. Or did the Dwarf Fortress guy from earlier disappear?
