>"Super Mario 3D World is a proper 3D Mario Platformer"
Nintendrones are used to getting shit on
>That final boss where Bowser is a giant cat and you never actually fight him is the best Bowser boss ever
>"3D World isn't a real 3D Mario"
>it's a mario game and it's in 3d it's a real 3d mario case closed discussion over!!!
>moves in 3 dimensions at all times
>is a mario game
yah, whats the argument here?
>>339677024
Explain what's wrong with that statement
>>339678040
>>339678205
>>339678203
They are here, abandon the thread
>>339678306
good nonexistant argument
>Sunshine is the best 3D Mario
>>339678383
Oh God, who says that?
What makes 3D World any less of a 3D Mario than Galaxy?
>>339677024
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck......
>>339678587
It's 2D mario with a Z-axis.
>>339677024
I mean, why isn't it exactly? It's better than Galaxy.
>>339678683
no it isnt, Crash is a 2D game with a Z axis. 3D world you can go out in any direction
>>339678203
>3D platformer
>1D/linear progression
Wow!
>>339677024
>I made a thread quoting someone therefore it's false
>>339678790
u wot
>>339678692
Galaxy must really suck then
>>339678683
>it's a two dimensional Mario
>with an extra dimension
>>339678587
it's completely different in terms of core design and is far more similar to NSMB games
>>339678683
Z axis = 3D, m8
>>339678753
3D world you can go in any direction, but half of the time going in any direction gets you killed because the level only goes left and right.
>>339678943
It's about as 3D as Super Paper Mario. The levels are exactly like that of a 2D mario game; you essentially only have two dimensions since moving towards or away from the camera doesn't make a difference.
>>339678587
Really goddamn stupid people who think Mario 64 is some kind of holy work
>all marios need to be boring collectathons
>>339679236
makes you wonder if Nintendo 64 fags were really shunned out by PS1 fags that they need to have this "every 64 game is best" mentality
>>339679236
3D world sold absolutely horrendously while 64 was a massive success that set the standard for 3d platformers. Looks like you're a tiny irrelevant minority, my man.
If we're really being truthful here, 3D World is more a platformer than 64 or Sunshine or Galaxy.
I get that you niggas like your collectathons and all, but 3D world has actual jumping timing platform challenge gameplay.
>>339678692
The problem isn't that it's not as good as Galaxy, because Galaxy sucks. I want a successor to Mario 64 and Sunshine
>>339679201
it only gets you killed if you're an idiot and walk off the edge
Calling 3D World a 3D Mario is like calling Dark Souls a JRPG.
>>339679260
>all Marios need to be boring obstacle courses with 3 Star Coins and a flagpole at the end
>>339679360
>Galaxy sucks
Is this a new meme?
>>339679260
No, 2d marios and 3d marios used to be different, 2d being classic smb styled and 3d being much more exploration based and open ended, now they both are classic smb styled linear progression with time limit and 3 useless collectibles per level
>>339679416
actually its not like that at all
Calling 3D world a 3d mario is like calling Dark Souls and Adventure game
>>339679506
All the collectibles are useless, there was never any reason to get more stars then you needed to beat the game.
>>339679552
an adventure game*
>>339679552
Bad example nigga, the "adventure" genre is one of the broadest and least defined of them all, which Dark Souls could easily fit into.
>>339679442
Yes. Nintendo fans will seriously shit on past nintendo games if it means defending neo-nintendo.
>>339678536
Gamecube babies.
>>339679698
or it means the same thing, as in the game fits into the description/genre
>>339679723
but the ones saying Galaxy sucks is a 64cuck
>>339678536
Cube kiddies
>>339679442
No, anybody whose first Mario game wasn't galaxy would agree that it's the worst one before 2.5D world
>>339679552
No. Dark Souls is an RPG made in Japan, but we don't call it a JRPG because JRPG means more than just an RPG from Japan.
3D World is a Mario game that is 3D, but we don't call it a 3D Mario game because 3D Mario means more than just a Mario game in 3D.
>>339679832
>but we don't call it a 3D Mario game because 3D Mario means more than just a Mario game in 3D
thats exactly why we call it a 3D mario game
>>339679784
>cuck
Spotted the underage
>>339679339
Well yeah. I enjoy both, but 3D World and Sunshine/64 scratch two very different itches.
Personally the one thing that most disappointed me about 3D World was not the gameplay(that was great), but rather the world design. Nintendo released both 3D Land and World, so I sort of expected them to mirror the GB and SNES games, with World having tons of secrets, and very varied map to go through with alternative paths. Too bad that wasn't the case.
NSMBU is the proper World Redux, too bad I can't stand the NSMB style with BWOOPS and shit.
>>339679805
>Worst 3D Mario
>when Sunshine and 3D Land exist
The autists that don't like story don't necessarily have to leave, but goddamn, go play with the tablet or the Lincoln Logs or something in the foyer while the grown-ups talk. Shit.
>>339679890
But its a mario game in 3D.
>>339679606
Except having fun and challenging yourself.
>>339680037
right. A 3d mario game
64 > Galaxy 2 > Galaxy > Sunshine > 3D World > 3D Land
>>339680040
>complains about useless collectibles
>b-but not this one, they are for challenge!
>despite serving the same thing
>>339679312
>sales = quality
>>339680140
>e-everyone is stupid but me!!
>>339680001
>I can't read hurr durr look at me type things I'm literally fucking retarded I can't read
>>339680129
Anon, I'm a different Anon.
>>339679890
We call it a 3D Mario game because it has a smaller amount of levels that you have to explore in order to find all of the stars. A 2D Mario game has a linear path with more difficult obstacles in the way, but a much easier objective to reach.
Drawing a picture on a piece of paper and then rolling the paper up doesn't make the drawing 3D.
>Implying Nintendo aren't simply get redding to make Mario 6(4-D)
>>339679930
3d world has warps in it just like smw.
3d world has the equivalent of 3 star roads.
Being able to warp to world 8 from 1 is useless because of the star reqs.
I know you guys are being obtuse/hipster pedantic by saying sm3dw is a 3d game, but it's not anymore true than saying yoshis island was a 2d sm64
>stages are just rectangular chunks floating in space
>no movement options, even the long jump is neutered as fuck
>goal in EVERY stage is "just fucking reach the end" with no creativity at work
>3DWfags
>>339679339
it's a retarded argument because it implies platformers have to be about timed jumping challenges like 2d sidescrollers while mario 64 spawned a decade long legacy of 3d platformers that were different but still very much platformers
>>339680318
so then galaxy 1 and 2 are 2D marios? Theyre linear as fuck
>>339680140
They took the bonus stages from sunshine, made the camera not free, removed the speed, verticality, advanced platforming and chained movement techniques. That isn't quality
>>339680373
that exact same logic applies to galaxy except it has empty planetoids floating in space as well
>>339677024
Super Mario 3D world is a 2D mario game presented in 3 dimensions. It's weird but it's true.
>>339680398
Galaxy 1 and 2 have expansive maps you visit multiple times in a row in order to comb through and find every hidden star. 3D World has a million different levels that you beat only once. I'm not saying it's a bad game. For the most part, I enjoy 2D Mario games more than 3D because they present a larger challenge. But 3D World definitely falls under the idea of a 2D Mario game with it's level design.
>>339680505
Galaxy has
>the cool gravity gimmick
>far more open-ended level design
>fun and originality
>>339680654
>far more open ended level design
HA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>339680576
3d world confuses plebs because it has levels like nesse that would fit fine in a sm galaxy 3 game
>>339680710
>3D world
>more open ended than Galaxy
>>339680398
galaxy is nowhere near as linear or limited in its objectives and movement options than 3d world
stuff like buoy base simply has no equivalent in 3d world
>>339680576
And Mario 64 was a revolutionary vision on platforming games showcasing how much could be done with a 3D space. 3D world was a step back to the inferior 2D games that 64 and Sunshine established themselves distant from
>>339678854
Please ignore the autists, it's time for their biweekly tantrum that it's not exactly the same as the game they've been playing for 20 years.
>>339680505
Galaxy's star system was much more flexible. Because besides that one level with the Troll Pole every end level in 3D World is fixed shit.
In Galaxy you could stick stars in crazy plaes, or do something like that one stage in Galaxy where you have to grab a shell and backtrack to open a chest with it. Plus stars can be triggered by events or NPCs.
>>339680710
he's right you mong
galaxy has a significant amount of levels directly inspired by the sandbox courses of 64 and sunshine, 3d world has none
>>339680813
sure is
more non linear and open level gameplay
>>339680830
64 had no challenge, and was just running around tiny floating sandbox levels over and over to get stars that should have all been obtainable without being forced out of the levels.
Galaxy never did anything like platforms floating in the middle of space
>>339680875
3d world's problem is specifically that it's the same as games we've been playing for 30 years you stupid cunt
>>339680951
>3d world has none
Savanah.
Also, why do the green stars and stamps not count? Because you don't want them to?
open ended
>>339680875
I haven't played a proper 3D Mario game since 2002 you slobbering cunt. You drool over every Souls game and RTS which are no different from the last
the Galaxy games have very few linear levels
>>339680957
where did l say galaxy didn't have linear levels
are you retarded
>>339681136
Because Galaxy 2 was a precurser to 3D Land and threw out the space theme and crazy planetoids for like 90% of it's levels.
Besides that section is literally based on Sunshine's secret levels which were floating shit.
>>339681216
Then you skipped Galaxy, Galaxy 2, 3D Land, and 3D World. That's your own fault.
>>339681305
All of 64 was floating shit in space or the sky.
>>339681209
>>339681283
>he seriously has these saved as 4chan filenames
Haha holy shit faggot, do you ever get tired of defending your bad unpopular game that no one likes? Posting cherrypicked images won't somehow make Galaxy un-sell 10 million copies
now THIS
THIS is 3d platforming excellence
>>339681423
>doesn't even lock you on Z axis
shit game
>>339677024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGaIz5E7YU
What's wrong with it?
>>339681418
Im copying pics off google with randomize filename enabled. Stay angry though
>>339681197
a flat shitty stretch of nothing with saturn level pop in is nothing like buoy base, deep dark, beachbowl etc get the fuck out
and l don't count green stars and stamps because the gameplay scenarios you have to complete to get them are copy pasted from the NSMB series, which is the entire point
>>339681136
>implying anybody says galaxy is good
If you like Galaxy, you'll like 3D World. Real 3D Mario fans only like Mario 64 and Sunshine
>>339681423
>I'll post this superior level design, that'll show them!
stay mad that Galaxy was always, and will always be, the better game
>>339681283
>>339681136
Now cherrypick levels from Mario 64
>>339681732
thats from Galaxy, dipshit
>>339681556
No one but you is mad that my game sold 3x as much as MeeMee world and was one of the most iconic games of the past gen. Keep living in your fantasy world where 3d shitrld is relevant kiddo
>>339678628
>>339681423
>now THIS
>THIS is 3d platforming excellence
But it is? Are you even being sarcastic anymore?
>>339681846
>I care about sales when determining if a game is 3D or not
WEW
E
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>>339681675
no, galaxy is completely different from 3d world, enough with that retarded neogaf meme
>>339680185
It's not even remotely bad. That's the point I'm getting at.
In fact, let's just clear things up, right now:
SM64 > SMG1 > SMS > SM3DW = SMG2 = SM3DL
>>339677024
OP tells the truth. 3D World/3D Land is not like 64/SS/G1/G2.
>>339681869
forced 2D platforming is good 3d platforming?
>>339681914
>game sells like shit compared to the "fake 3d marios"
>BUT MOOOOOM MY GAME IS THE ONE TRUE 3D MARIO GAME!! WHY DON'T YOU GET THAAAAT
>>339681197
Green stars in 3D World are extras that you collect on your way to the objective.
Stars in 3D Mario games are the objective.
>>339682058
thats not what I said at all. Stop putting words in my mouth
>>339681579
Oh, yeah, as opposed to every star in every other 3d Mario being either "collect 4 or 8 ____, get to the end of an obstacle course, beat an enmey/boss, or just kind of find it sitting there." So very different.
>>339682085
Which means that extras in 3D World are as important and well placed as main objectives in other games. Meaning 3D World is objectively better designed than 64, as it has everything 64 had, and more.
>>339682185
You're forgetting some.
And that's four times the variety in stages that 3D "just fucking touch the pole" World had
>>339682456
It's always at the end of a well designed level. And of course, touching the pole doesn't net you green stars, which is what we were discussing. So 3D world has those 4, plus the end pole, and secret exits/warps as well.
>>339682185
if you can't see the difference between the kind of large scale, non linear puzzle platforming of for ex the second star of Dusty Dune Galaxy and just hugging a wall for a bit to find a hidden alcove then l don't know what to tell you
>>339679832
>but we don't call it a JRPG because JRPG means more than just an RPG from Japan.
No it doesn't it never ever has. JRPG's are exactly what they sound like Japanese Role-Playing Games. No where in there does it imply the combat must be turn based, do you call a turn based WRPG a JRPG? No you don't do you?
Is it better than 3D Land?
Because that game was fucking terrible.
>Hey guys, let's take 2D design philosophies and implement them in a 3D space.
>Sounds great! Don't forget to ignore making the levels actually memorable or challenging.
>Can do boss!
>>339681547
Not muh 3d mario
>"Super Mario 3D World isn't a REAL 3D Mario Platformer"
>>339681931
Why is it that any opinion that isnt yours belongs to some other site (tunblr reddit neogaf etc)?
>>339682997
Actually interesting bosses and slightly less "Thrown together in three weeks" levels.
It's made more for multiplayer though. Levels feel kind of lonely without three people shoving you off edges.
>>339678383
It's my favourite 3D Mario, butI don't like Mario games. Also I didn't like Galaxy at all because of the controls.
>>339682997
Same game in HD.
>>339684267
3d land's final boss is far better than 3d world's
>>339680654
>more originality than "every level has a new mechanic taught and twisted perfectly without any text" the game
You're all autistic faggots that don't actually play video games.
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