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>b-but melee
Turns out having more than four viable characters is fun. Who'd've thought?
>>339651047
Melee fans would have you believe that it's all about skill as Fox
EVO probably cares more about viewership than entrants, which is why melee got the Sunday spot. The same entrant thing happened last year.
>>339650870
Most of the events with both Smash 4 and Melee in my area seem to get significantly more for Smash 4 too. With a bigger character roster, more viable characters that have fun gimmicks, a less intimidating community and better graphics, it's just a more appealing and approachable game to people just getting into the tourney scene.
nerfing bayo brought ebeyrone back
So Smash is now the biggest fighting game scene in the world, huh?
It sells the most, has the most active competitive scene, has up and away the best roster of any game ever....
>>339652147
Fuck, even Pokken outsold Street Fighter V.
>>339652291
Anyone got a picture of a JUSTing Ono?
>>339652147
You could say it's less to do with Smash's success and more to do with Capcom dropping the ball with SFV.
>>339652291
I worked at the national championships for Pokkén, and even with a $3000 first prize and no entry fee we got less than 60 people total.
Pokkén players are casual as fuck.
>all those 4Glory scrubs in Pools
Wew lad
oh no more people like a thing i dont like than the thing i like
whatever will i dooooooooo
It sure has nothing to do with the fact that it's a new game.
>>339650870
That's because it's easy to get into, has a low skill ceiling, and it attracts people of all kinds because of the Nintendo characters.
Not surprised at all.
>>339652467
>he calls it Pokkén
>>339651728
Additionally, consider the integrated online play. (Brawl's version of this was garbage). Compared to Melee netplay, Sm4sh is significantly easier to play online.
>>339652467
would have went if it was anywhere near me fammo.
RIP meele, good riddance.
Most of the League Esports boba-sipping korea-worshipping autists are playing sm4sh because it's what's in right now and they are all tools.
That and the FGC normies got bored of UMvC3
>inb4 meleefag damage control
Melee was the Third Strike of Smash Bros. While it certainly was the fastest one with the lowest amount of viable characters, it's a bright fire that's burning twice as fast. Nintendo could technically save it if they made Melee HD, but why would they? Sm4sh is doing just fine in every regard, and it seems like more people are making that transition. As fun as Melee is, it's only natural this is happening.
>>339653156
>Smash 4 taking over Melee
>Melee ever dying
hahahaha
>>339653156
>melee was the third strike of smash bros
except people actually play melee
>>339650870
let me explain what melee players have been doing to inflate their numbers.
1. viewbot the shit out of their streams.
2. never go to any locals or regionals, they all save mommies money to go to nationals ONLY and appear big.
3. they enter nationals more than once to make it look like there are more people. then when the tournament happens there are loads of people missing for no reason.
looks like they couldn't pull it off this time lmao.
>>339650870
>most players who play sm4sh are casual
>what makes up for most gamers playing games are people who want everything to be easier for it to be enjoyable
>more people turn up to a tournament that will be won by one (1) person again because only one person knows how to actually play
Sm4sh autists will defend this
Melee is still light years better. This doesn't change shit.
This is really no surprise. On a tech skill level its not too heavy and thus pretty accessible.
Surprised Street fighter 5 didn't take most contestants this year considering that game is pretty easy as well with its like (8-7 frame?) buffer
>B-b-but Tr4sh will be dead in a few months!
>B-b-but muh high speed high skill gameplay!
>Muh 7 Foxes in Top Eight!
>Muh Muh!
Ahahahaha
>>339653449
Who are you quoting?
>>339652147
SF5 has more entrants than Melee and Smash 4 combined. SF5 passed 4,000 over a month ago, Smash 4 is just now passing its previous record of a little under 2,000 with Melee slightly behind.
>>339653510
The entire Melee community
>>339653367
>Smash 4 is won by one person
>Congratulate Armada (Hbox if he isn't there) on winning the tournament!
>>339653510
this guy >>339653295
>b-but sm4sh players are casual!
>m-muh low skill floor!
Why are Muhlee brats so buttblistered? It's good that the series is evolving. It means that it doesn't have to rely on a decade old game to be relevant.
>>339653659
Hmm who won the last national? And the one before that?
Dumbass
I don't know why both games can't exist.
>>339653692
But that had very little to do with his post, I guess he's just retarded.
>>339653742
Why are smash 4 fags so quick to say it's meleefags? that victim complex.
Meleefags aren't wrong though.
64 is the best game anyway.
>>339653881
t. nostalgia fag
>>339653778
Oh I'm sorry Leffen makes a appearance here and there but if your going to do that then the last two Smash 4 majors weren't one by Zero shitposter-kun
>>339651047
It's not a PM tournament anon
I'd be interested in knowing how many entrants cross over from FGC games.
I'm willing to bet a lot more register for smash 4 than melee.
I don't know the Smash 4 meta but it's got to be healthier than Fox, Falco, Marth, Shiek along with the very rare Peach and C. Falcon all in the Top 8.
>>339653821
because /v/ just shitposts and falseflags
most of the people who actually go to locals dont' give a shit what you play
>>339653946
Leffen one the last one and Mango before that
Armada had a run with Hbox as the runner up.
Smash 4 literally has one person winning all the time. That's the point. It's like I'm arguing with someone with downs lol
>>339653295
>>339653315
I'm not saying Melee is dead. Fuck, if a game as bad as Marvel is still going after all this time, Melee will always have a scene. There's still a community for SFIII, and there always will be, but it's a lot more difficult (for a variety of reasons) to get into older fighting games and their scenes. Transitions like this happen naturally, and sure enough when Smash 5 comes out, the same will happen as Melee continues to age.
>>339653129
No, you need a Fox Wojak, anon.
>>339653979
Yes and no.
There are more characters that are viable in tournament overall then melee at this point.
But those top 4 melee characters can do more shit then the entire smash 4 cast combined.
its literally the worse of both worlds when comparing the two.
>>339653938
more like
t. fighting game fag
I bet 99% of ITT can only play one game mediocrity at best.
>Not playing them all
>Not getting good on all of them
>People instead choose to shitpost and circlejerk on rosterfag and/or e-celeb threads
And yes, 64 had the best of both and it's fanbase is chill.
>>339650870
Well, when your game is the most accessible, it's probably gonna see the most entrants.
>>339653979
You forgot Pikachu, Samus, and Jigglypuff. But at least you didn't spout the "lol Fox" meme.
>>339654114
>15 year old game has same 6 (six) people winning tournaments
>2 year old game has same 6 (six) people winning tournaments
?
>>339654114
Except, downie friend, that the last big tournament wasn't won by zero, you humoungous cock gargling retard.
>>339653659
>Congrats to Mango on winning
>Congrats to Leffen on winning
4 people beats 1 anon
Hell I'll even give you Ally just because
>>339653742
>Evolving
>gameplay is as bland as ever
It's not even gameplay being slowed down, it's the fact that Sakurai has messed up on so many other parts like how Shields are broken and players aren't punished for rolling so much. It's fine if the skill floor is lower, yet it fucks the game over since the ceiling is also lower
>>339653979
At this point, it's usually Fox,Jiggly,Falco, Marth, Sheik with Pikachu (Axe) becoming more common alongside Falcon, Peach (Armada pocket or MacD), Samus, plus ICs. 4 definitely has the bigger cast and more variety but it's usually the same characters on top. The meta still has a long way to go before it's developed to be diverse
>>339654114
And how many of those majors were won by Mango or Leffen when Hbox or Armada were present? The only time it's anyone different than Armada is when he isn't present and then it's 90% Hbox I actually watch these things so I know who's winning them
Smash 4 had Abadongo and Ally take the last two majors I'm using your shit logic against you
>>339653979
>Diddy Diddy Diddy Diddy Diddy
>patch
>Sheik Sheik Sheik Sheik Sheik
>patch
>Mario?
So many viable characters I can't even count them all on half a finger
>>339653318
oh man that damage control
i guess when you butt gets hurt so hard by genesis you have to literally make things up like viewbots that only work on certain channels at certain times
or whatever kind of autism the sm4sh fanbase comes up with
>>339654627
Again when Armada is present how many times has Mango or Leffen won anything? I'll give you some help GOML 2016 good luck with the rest.
>>339654526
>>339654563
>implying they aren't just literal whos
People literally get out of their seat to see someone beat Zero, literally the only person relevant in Sm4sh, and still the only person who plays that game that I know who actually is good lmao
Like he was so dominant for a long run that -literally- no one took a fucking game (or set?) off of him, are you joking?
>>339654718
>Abadongo and Ally
Literally who? lmeo. I'd bet they are the only people other than Zero to ever win sm4sh majors
fucking fags get so defensive about their party game even though they talk shit about melee
>>339654808
Don't really go to events anymore but when watching streams I often see Cloud, Shiek, Diddy, Mario, Fox, and a occasional falcon and megaman.
I don't see rosalina anymore out of a few well established mains, i guess everyone came to term that she actually isnt that fun to play as or watch.
>>339654907
>literally make things up like viewbots that only work on certain channels at certain times
>mfw, this is completely made up by me and doesn't exist
>>339654942
>fucking fags get so defensive about their party game even though they talk shit about melee
>dat projection
sweet sweet meleefag tears
>>339654942
>Abadongo
>Ally
>One of the highest PR players in Japan and the best Canadian players
>Literally who
You blew your cover, nice job
>>339652291
Pokken, unlike smash, is a pure fighting game, though
>>339654919
Armada is present pretty much any time Leffen is, and Mango beat out HBox and Armada for years, and has just been in a slump this past year
>>339654243
like this?
>>339654942
>Only 1 guy has ever won tr4sh majors lmeo
>What about these other guys who have won majors
>lmeo literally who?? XD doesn't count
This is how delusional melee fags are.
>>339655078
And how many of those win tournaments?
>>339655078
Pikachu, ZSS, Ryu and Ness are also all relevant.
>>339655182
If only it said "20xx century fox"
>>339655152
Well seeing how Leffen can't get into the country but Armada can I don't see what your saying by that.
Since Melee has been out longer than 4 it's only fair to compare it's tournament results since 2014 when 4 came out which is mostly just Armada and Hbox winning and a surge in Foxes
>>339654161
If anything Melee is easier than ever to get into since there are more weeklies around the country now plus it's super easy to find a Wii to softmod for a cheap price now. My cousins in middle school approached me about modding their shit to play Melee and PM which really surprised me. Melee is arguably more popular than ever now since it's revival a few years back
>>339654718
>Leffen took out all 4 Gods who were present in rout to a victory at GOML
>it was also his first major tournament in forever since Customs cucked him
>Mango won a tournament against HBox
Even then, Mango has been in a slump. I admit Melee hasn't had too many winners lately but it's not like Sm4sh is any different.
>Zero
>Ally
>Abandango
That's still 3 people
>>339655078
Sure you see diversity yet the top 8 and typically the GFs are same top characters
>>339655262
How many non-fox winners who are not h-box in the past year for melee?
>>339655124
They are still literally whos to me, because they haven't won Evo. The game is so easy that the only tournament worth a damn is Evo
>I-it's not easy!
That one bald guy at smash summit who plays sm4sh getting cucked was pretty hilarious desu
One is easier to get into and has integrated online play
Gee I wonder why
>>339655403
ESAM isn't even top 10 in smash4
>>339655262
If your talking Majors Diddy, Shiek, ZSS, Mario and Mewtwo
Regionals are a lot more varied with Ness', Ryus, Rosas, etc.
Meanwhile in Melee majors are only Fox, Armada Peach or HBox Puff, with the rare Marth and Falco here and there, regionals look the exact same
A friendly reminder that Melee was a happy accident and that there will never be a Smash like it ever again
>>339655392
>2014
>only Armada and Hbox
Mango was killing it alongside Leffen anon
>>339655396
mango wins with Falco, Armada wins with Peach
>>339655403
Evo isn't the only smash major are you even trying anymore?
>>339653659
>>339654718
Not part of this argument but Leffen's win was legit.
>>339655403
>This level of delusion
Face it meleefags, your game is dying.
>>339655262
>>339655303
>>339655394
>I Missed Zoot Soot Samwhich
good point. My bad.
>>339655857
>easy ass party game with a redditor playerbase has more people signing up for a big tournament as opposed to a hard game that takes years to get good at means the hard game is dying
ye im delusional
>>339655714
>Sakurai could never make another melee-esque game again if he wanted too
It hurts.
I enjoy smash 4 but it gets real stale after a while.
>>339655668
>ZSS, Mario and Mewtwo
If all it takes is one odd major then almost everyone from YLink up is a winner
>Regionals
Every character wins regionals somewhere
I fucking hate comp smash fags so I'm starting my own tournament at home that has items on because fuck it. The theme is beast characters only, so I have to ask:
Do Link and Olimar count as human or beast?
>>339656065
>Melee
>Hard
AHAHAHAHAHA ARE YOU SERIOUS
>>339654718
Top 2 of goml was leffen and mang0. Armada and hbox were present. This was the most recent major.
>>339656152
Now this is some low level bait
>>339656152
At this point you're bullshitting because even most traditional fighting game players admit Melee is a different level of tech and execution
>there are people ITT that don´t enjoy both games for what they are
It's like you guys can't have fun with more than one game at a time
>>339656125
>Beast characters
And then there is this furfag
>are link and olimar count as human or beast?
For your anthromorphic fanfiction where they eat each others shit they are beast.
Otherwise no they are more human like.
>>339656424
kek
>>339656265
>>339656424
Melee moves fast and and is more about character match ups knowledge than actual skillful gameplay
Compare SF skill to Melee skill is a much different beast
>>339656465
>fun
What is this word?
its~ time~to~move~ on~~~
>>339656065
Using party game as an insult to defend the game your talking about the irony.
>>339656465
Fun? He's a witch burn him!
>>339652410
Nah, melee is still alive after a decade EVEN after nintendo literally said "FUCK YOU" and prevented melee from being shown.
Smash as a formula is just perfect, fighting games get old because they're mostly glorified rock paper scissors with digital movement, smash's freedom of movement makes it feel more like an actual virtual sport, and as such is a lot more addicting, hence why even a dumbed down game like smash 4 can still live for years, the formula itself is addicting. Wish nintendo started tapping into its potential more.
>>339657598
>EVEN after nintendo literally said "FUCK YOU" and prevented melee from being shown.
literally never happened, melee niggers are so fucking delusional.
>>339656465
I don't even like melee that much, I just wish tr4sh wasn't so pathetic. Splitting the content between a real game and a joke demo makes it feel like half the game's content is just reused from brawl as filler
>>339657710
>evo gives melee fanbase a chance to display their game if they donate enough to cancer
>they do
>nintendo comes and says "NO" because they're souless assbackwards nips
>either nintendo of america came out and said to noj "What the fuck are you doing you retarded fucking nips" or even noj realized how retarded they were behaving
It was a literal fuck you either way.
>>339657710
Literally did, mVIII.
>several thousand turbocasuals, 12 year olds, Nintendrones and random fags from Nevada decide to join the tournament for the joke game that is even less interesting than Brawl
omgz memelee BTFO!!!!
>>339656606
Nigga I go to /e/ threads telling people not to fap to dark magician girl because she's a monster, and you call me a furry? So judgemental.
>>339657710
For a short time ,they blocked Melee from playing on EVO years ago.
Nintendo saw the blacklash and decided they had a new cash cow to milk.
>Pokken is 4th
I'm surprised and pleased. It actually have a dev willing to support its comp scene, unlike Nintendo and Smash Bros.
There's all of these Pokken tournaments with cash prizes. While Smash gets dick.
>Melee really is dying and Nintendo won't release a remaster even though it would save the community and make a pile of money
>>339656954
>Melee moves fast and and is more about character match ups knowledge
>If he picks Marth pick Fox
>if he picks Fox pick Fox
>if he picks LITERALLY anything just pick Fox
>>339658610
Oh please, even if they released a "remaster", fans would still complain it's not "perfect".
Meleefags have had Melee HD for years. It's called Dolphin.
>>339658610
Good
>>339658747
>If he picks Marth pick Fox
you are 0% correct
>>339658747
>If he picks Marth pick fox
Is this bait?
>>339658918
[Laughing Leffen]
>>339658918
>>339655396
We counting PPMD taking apex 2015 with marth?
Yeah cuz it's fun as fuck.
>>339659147
>>339659465
Thats great and all.
But unless your actually around that skill level or playing a shit marth the matchup is still in the chaingrabbytilthappyFsmash swordsman's favor.
>>339659835
Work on your neutral game.
>>339659835
So not 0% then??
>>339659931
I do.
I play as marth.
>>339656065
>easy ass party game with a redditor playerbase
The funny thing is that that applies to all the smash games
The reason why they are so popular with normies is because the games are easy and have an extremely low skill floor so they never feel discouraged
Is smash 4 still boring as fuck? I never see any webms of it unlike melee
>>339660274
>melee
>easy
Retarded weeb lmfao
>>339660274
>Lol skrub, you cant shoryu FADC into ultra ?
>>339660381
Smash 4 players dont feel the need to post the same "hype" clips over and over, they don't even bother with /v/ because its infested by high schooler reddit/4chan hybrid melee memesters
>>339658610
You're actually retarded, because Melee HD would be not on a CRT and would be released as PAL and the community would be divided on it
People would still play on CRTs with the original version if Melee HD would come out, because of the input lag tvs nowadays have.
>>339660427
It ain't hard bro.
Take a second to learn fundamentals, and there you go.
>>339660591
Not him, but that's a 7 hit to death combo.
Does smash 4 have that isn't multi hit?
Even 64 has cool combos.
>>339660774
64 is also not balanced at all and is probably the worst of the games competitively
>>339660996
Mad because bad.
So it doesn't? You sounded pretty smart with all those buzzwords tbqh, i had hope for you.
>>339660381
I don't even care about Smash 4 competitive or any of the smash competitive scenes but it mostly seems like Melee players constantly upload webms because they feel they have something to proveMaybe smash 4 players aren't as desperate to prove something
Does anybody has smash 64? I really miss it
>>339660381
the only ones that are made are for footstools and stage spikes.what happened when they designed stage spikes in sm4sh? they don't bounce you with appropriate physics anymore like in melee. that shit always speeds you up and sends you straight down
>>339652467
Pokken's tourney ruleset is kinda crap. It forces you to use an inferior controller and forces all matches onto a stage that is in no way neutral.
Too bad nobody's going to watch it.
>>339661141
Actually they upload it because it's cool to look at.
Maybe you're misinterpreting.
>>339661149
>Smash 64 webmsthank you spell check
>>339661149
the only 64 webm you'll ever need
>>339661149
Smash 64 is actually my favorite one. Despite not having a lot of the technicalities, roster size, or fanservice later entries did, I just really love how hit-stun works in that game. Combos seem a lot more possible in 64 than in Melee due to the differences in physics.
>>339660381
It will never reach melee levels but no, it has gotten a lot better.
I think the best part of smash 4 is the varied roster that is still viable. I love melee but I always know what I'm in for.
>I'm mad melee has fewer entrants
>here's a bunch of bullshit reasons why to justify my mad
>but when fox wins YET AGAIN JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TOURNAMENT FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS I will be back to defend melee
meleefags in a nutshell
>>339650870
"Eat shit, millions of flies can't be wrong"
>>339661727
>I think the best part of smash 4 is the varied roster that is still viable.
too bad jigglypuff, ganondorf, zelda, etc couldn't be apart of that tho
>>339661248
I don't see people uploading webms of other games nearly as often as Melee players, and I mean any other game and almost every single time they upload one of those webms it is in a very condecending reply toward other games or to try to show how awesome melee is
>>339660381
This post is the perfect example of what I mean. A post shitting on smash 4 in this case while saying how awesome melee is
You can also see this kind of posts all the time in FGC threads where people question the legitimacy of melee as a fighting game, followed by webms of melee while saying that it is the greatest and that other traditional fighting games are easy mode compared to the webm
It happens all the time
>>339661727
The only reason it's varied is because patches come along and change the flavor of the month character, it's literally more skewed than Brawl except every six months the character its skewed in favor of gets nerfed and a new character rises in his place
>>339661727
>Diddy
>Diddy
>Sheik
>Mario
>Diddy
>Diddy
>Sheik
>Sheik
>Zero Suit Samus
>Diddy
>Diddy
>Sheik
>>339662324
Diddy is far from the most common character.
and there's also Sonic, Fox and Cloud
>>339660427
It is, same as all the smash games
There are 2 reasons why smash games get so many entries in EVO, it has nintendo characters and the second and most important reason is that Smash is so easy to play that even the most casual players feel like they can enter a tournament and not embarrass themselves because they know how to play the game decently
>>339660439
Who are you quoting?
>>339662324
you know we had mewtwo win a national a few months back right
SSBM has a much higher skill cap needed for competitive play. Sm4sh will enjoy only a short run of success in comparison to the superior game.
>>339662680
Except they have yet to win any big name tourneys like EVO or APEX
>>339662753
One time. And most likely becuase of Zero being absent and big name players getting shut out early.
Any 64 fags here? Maining Falcon and am probably the best Player in my country atm
>>339663172
you're a huge fag if you main falcon in 64 lol
literally up air -> up b the character
>>339663086
>Waaaaaah they DO NOT COUNT becausethey aren't always winning
Then you turn around and try to say that melee got more than Fox, Jiggly and Armada peach as viable characters.
The fuckign doublethink of meleebabs is fuckign incredible
>>339663867
I don't who the hell your quoting because I never said that.
>>339660603
>melee isn't also in PAL
>euro players have to memorizes the differences when coming to play in america because of ntsc
>same thing for americans going to europe
It would be handled the same way it is now anon. Its not that big of a deal.
>>339655394
>it was also his first major tournament in forever since Customs cucked him
Second. Eglx was 2 weeks before
>>339658610
If Nintendo released Melee HD they'd probabby fix the physics and remove wavedashing.
>>339663867
Peach and Jiggs win regularly
You're trying to compare them to characters who have one literally once, when they are more comparable to Melee's one hit wonders like Ice Climbers or Young Link.
>>339650870
>>339661397
>>339661149
>>339661363
WHO HYPE FOR FALCO IN 64 THOUGH?! SUPPOSEDLY PEACH AND MARTH ARE GETTING PROGRAMMED IN AND I'M FUCKING HYPE.
>>339664543
Wow, bravo, you got a whole lot of 3 viable characters ! Glad you agree with me, i'll be happy to screencap this and post it whenever one of your fellow autist ramble on about
>smash 4 only sheik n diddy
stupidity.
>>339664659
>It will never be 2004 again
>>339663358
Compared to Melee Falcon air wobbles? Dthrow, dair, bair, uair, fair. Or you could do uair, uair, uair, fair. Don't act like Falcon is hype at all please.
>>339664543
Correction Armada Peach and HBox Puff win and they are the only ones who will ever even come close to winning with those characters because they aren't viable unless your at Five God level
>>339664743
How retarded do you have to be to not be able to read within a context that you created?
>>339664867
No one can be this retarded
mango literally broke into the scene using Puff
>>339665127
>Unless you are Five God level you'll never win with these characters because they aren't viable
>Unless you are at Five God level
>Mango
The only retard hare is you anon
>>339658610
>melee is dying
>>339665329
We did it reddit!
>>339664867
>forgetting mang0, The King, s0ft, DArc, and Abu ever played and won with Jiggly
>forgetting that Mike G, Shippu, Trif, Hanky Panky, MAcD, and Bladewise played and won as Peach
>only one god total in both lists
Also, every character in the top 8 is viable, while a lot will argue that everyone in the top 13 have potential to move up in their respective rankings and win.
>>339650870
Wow! Good for you guys! I dont play 4 in tournaments but I play friendlies a lot with tourney players and randoms on smashladder
>>339651047
I always see people shitpost really low numbers about viable Melee characters but what is the logic for this because every top/high tier has been in super major top 8s recently
>>339665416
Just admit your wrong and move on
>>339665495
And which of these players aside a FIVE GOD LEVEL player Mango has won anything relevant or major with Peach or Puff? A NON GOD PUFF OR PEACH will never win anything because it requires GOD LEVEL talent to win with those characters against the Foxes, Falcos and Marths at top level play.
It's like saying Yoshi will win majors because aSMa did well so any Yoshi player can. Yoshi is shit, aSMa is the only one who can get results with him
>>339665603
We know for a fact based on confirmed statements by shitposters on /v/ that only 4 Melee characters ever get played.
Unfortunately from these same posts we cannot confirm if these 4 characters are Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth or Fox Falco, Puff, Peach. Or even Falcon by some accounts
>>339666005
>which of these players aside a FIVE GOD LEVEL player Mango has won anything relevant or major with Peach or Puff
>which of these players aside a FIVE GOD LEVEL player Mango has won anything
>why don't players who don't play at top level win majors???
I hope now you can see how retarded you look to the rest of us
well, yeah. it's a better game.
in every single way
>>339666298
God Level and top level are separate things you fucking retard. Fox has proven to be able to win big tournaments with top level players, Falcos have Marths have. THE ONLY TIME PEACH OR PUFF HAVE WON ANYTHING BIG IS WHEN USED BY A GOD BECAUSE THATS WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN WITH THEM. Even the top players like MacD aren't or Abu can't do that because the characters ARE NOT VIABLE. Axe is a top level player but he will never win a major with Pikachu because PIKACHU IS NOR VIABLE. Samus may take out Leffen but she isn't winning against the God level players to take majors because SHE ISNT VIABLE
FUCK YOU ARE RETARDED
>>339663086
>Except they have yet to win any big name tourneys like EVO or APEX
Not really the best argument since a single won 90% of majors in 2015.
Those characters have regularly been in top 8 though
>>339661231
The pokken controller is fine
>>339666732
I see that you're retarded
>>339666732
SHIEK WILL NEVER WIN ANYTHING BECAUSE SHE IS NOT VIABLE.
>>339666085
Falco's kind of went the way of the dodo.
>>339666732
Literally only gods win tournaments fucktard, that's why they're called gods. Non-gods don't win majors lest they would be gods. No one outside of the current top 6 has won a major since 2007, and even then it was just a different set of 4-5 players taking every tournament
Are you salty trashfags?
>>339667220
>beats a god in a small tournament.
>gets called out for Addy abuse.
No one has time for that.
>>339666005
>Shippu won BGW 6, NINJA5, and Crazy Hand 2015
>Trif won INK Smash, Melee Gamma 3, and Mazo Melee 1
>MacD has doubles wins at @goodgaming, SCR 2014, TNE, Mayhem, IMY, MVG Sandstorm, Mayhem May 2015, SSC, Pax Prime 2015
>Bladewise has doubles wins at NWM 6, amd NWM Drop Zoneinb4 moving goalposts
I'll give you Jiggs though, not a lot of non gods have won any considerable amount of big tournaments, with anyone who isn't Mang0 or Hbox only winning 1 or 2 at most, so I didn't feel it necessary to write them down. They all gate keep and stayed top 8 when they played though, so that's something I guess.
>>339667220
>Literally only gods win tournaments fucktard, that's why they're called gods.
Leffen won GOML like a week ago.
>top 6
Moving the goalposts.
>>339667364
>it was the goats salty girlfriend who called him out too
>>339667220
I get that my point was if Peach or Jiggs had viability in Melee they'd have more players winning but they don't because they aren't and can't compete with Fox unless you are a Armada or HBox
The only viable characters in Melee are a Fox primarily, Falco, Marth and sometimes Shiek
>>339667408
Bladewise and Silent wolf are the only two notable players in the NW.
Chip lost to a FUCKING mario at G3.
>Sm4sh will die after Apex!
>Sm4sh will die after CEO!
>Sm4sh will die after EVO!
A-any d-day now....
Smash 4 is 100% the better casual game but in terms of competition, I'd rather watch 2 good foxes over smash 4 anyday. 4 has its moments but by and large is slow and boring as fuck to watch.
>>339667458
>Implying leffen isn't a god :^)
Why is every Smash so wildly imbalanced? Even 4 with gameplay patches can't make half the cast viable.
>>339667458
Leffen's been referred to as a god for an entire year now, the only point you've made in all of this is that the most recent addition to the gods uses Fox, but none of the other five gods were Fox mains when they broke into god status
>>339650870
>playing nintendo games
>>339667581
Sm4sh literally cannot die until NoA stops shilling for it.
They've been really fucking adamant about forcing it into every major event, and it shows.
>>339667536
the young link player? or did he switch to marth
>>339667704
Melee was never supposed to be balanced.
Namco has no clue what they're doing with smash 4.
>>339667704
I'd say the upper 25 in smash 4 are viable.
Basically everyone above like Lucas at least has a good shot at taking regionals.
Nationals you'd probably cut it to top 15.
Especially now that bayo got nerfed into the ground, for the first time in the games history, people are unsure who's the best character anymore.
>smash 4 is so boring it derailed into melee discussion
>>339667502
>no one wins with these characters except when the player is good enough to win with them in which case it doesn't count!
Pretty sure your point is that you have no points
>>339667801
He plays marth now.
>>339667924
Why didn't she win any major tourney then?
Will PPMD ever recover?
>>339668029
>thought a young link lost to a mario
>that's not too ba-
>it was actually a marth
>>339667767
>It's just shilling guys!
>It's totally not the fucking massive player base!
>>339667767
Ah yes, that damned nintendo forcing people to sign up for tournaments.
>>339667976
I'm pretty sure Axe is a top ten player
I'm pretty sure Hugs is top fifteen
I also know they'll never win with their characters because they aren't viable
I'm sure Prince Abu who is a top player will never win anything despite using Puff who wins a ton mashies
I'm sure MacD a top level player will never win anything despite using Peach despite the number one Melee player using her
You truly are a retard
>>339668058
Outside of Japan, the best player who picked her up was pink fresh, who isn't exactly a top level players (he's good, he's just not top level).
Seems all the best players avoided her for one reason or another. Maybe it's cause they guessed she was gonna get nerfed hard or something.
Hax$ will win evo.
>>339668149
I believe. It's gonna be a long time though.
If what he says is true and EVO is the only tournament he's for sure going to, I doubt he's going to even get top 8.
>>339668149
>still top 6 in miom rankings
>>339668360
axe is 9th, hugs is 20th, Abu is 55th, and MacD is 15th. I agree with you though, and Armada even calls Prince Abu his hero for showing up to majors he's at and not only gatekeeping certain players/match ups, but for also giving a lot of players tons of Jiggs experience.
Stop taking jiggs to dreamland.
>>339667963
idiot
>>339668360
>Multiple top level players win with Puff
>But they don't count because they're top players
>Why can't this high-mid level player win with puff? >See she's not viable after all
>High level player player can't win with Pikachu
>Therefore Pikachu must not be viable
>That same high level player also plays Falco, whom he also can't win with
>???
I think we're done here
>>339661231
I mean Ferrum Stadium is a boring stage but how is it not a balanced stage? What stage would be better?
>>339668916
>>339661231
There's differences in the stages in pokken?
Watch. Kirb will take evo this year.
So...anyone like both memelee and tr4sh, I feel both are pretty fun.
Post mains I guess.
Melee: luigi
Smash 4: ness/lucas
>>339668596
miom rankings are pretty trash desu, do they just pull them out their ass?
>>339669162
Yes. Toph pulls ideas out of Scars Ass.
Why do Smash 4 and Melee players always want to argue about games they dont play?
>>339669132
Smash 64: Fox
Melee: Fox
Brawl: Fox
Brawl -: Fox
Project M: Fox
Smash 4: Don't play it
>>339669262
Same thing happened to brawl.
>>339669310
>playing brawl
>not smash 4
>>339654243
I love how that completely on-topic parent post was removed. Simmer down, NintendoGAF
Reminder that Brawl "killed" Melee years ago, and look where Brawl is now.
>>339669132
I don't play Melee currently but Falco and Luigi
Smash 4 Ness and Falco
>>339669132
64: Kirby
Melee: can't choose
Brawl: Kirby
Pm: squirtle
4: megaman/yoshi
>>339669132
Doc and Mario respectively
>>339669262
Same reason 3S and USFF4 did. GGxrd and GGACR+ does. VS vs VS2 and so on and so on.
Games are functionally different, and the differences are going to start arguments. Elitism and time investments go hand in hand, plus most people probably spent most of their time playing X as an adolescent.
>>339653367
Oh no, the winner is the same!!!
That's much worse than top 8 being the same!!!!
>>339664543
Is it even fair to compare the two when it comes to tournament results? Sm4sh isn't even 2 years old.
Melee is a great game, but it's super old. There's nothing new to discover about it. Once in a great while there's something like aMSa finding new and effective tech for a former low tier (Yoshi) and shitting on people with it, but that's rare.
People are still figuring out Smash 4. Even without the patches and DLC characters shaking things up, the game is still fresh. That's why it's a lot more interesting.
Over course smash 4 gets more entrants. More people play it because it's more casual and accessible.
It's the same reason a COD tourney will probably have more entrants than a Quake one.
Melee will still have more viewers.
>>339667924
>Especially now that bayo got nerfed into the ground, for the first time in the games history, people are unsure who's the best character anymore.
More like 3rd time.
>Launch (remember when Duck Hunt was Top 5?)
>That area between Launch and Diddy/Sheik where we had a new flavor of the week top tier.
>Now.
>>339669132
64: Fox
Melee: Dr. Mario
Brawl: won some free locals with Mario and Yoshi so I guess those
PM: Mario
4: Mario (I secondary Falco/Mewtwo)
Oddly enough 4 is the only game where I have some real, serious secondaries. I play a handful of characters in each game but I dont think I can beat people on my skill level with them unlike in 4.
>>339670104
>Bowser and Greninja were top tier before the Wii U version came out
ayylmao
>>339670104
I dunno, sheik was considered best right after diddy was nerfed. Hell she was considered second for that whole time anyway.
I left out the launch window because it was obvious
>>339669968
Maybe there's nothing knew to discover, but there's damn near no one yet who's been able to implement everything, let alone do it consistently.
Hell, most top players don't even implement all the tech that's out there for their character. I mean, really, is there any spacie player aside from Westballz who uses all the tech available to his character?
Why does /v/ think that tournament results accurately represent how good a character is? Meta Knight was slept on entirely and only recently was considered high tier.
>>339668058
People like you need to commit suicide. She came out in fucking February and was nerfed in May. I wonder why she didn't make any major tournaments. She was still bullshit and broken though
>>339650870
Melee = for professionals
Tr4sh = for normies
just do math
>>339670395
>I dunno, sheik was considered best right after diddy was nerfed. Hell she was considered second for that whole time anyway.
I'm talking about before Diddy was considered the best character.
Remember that time period where the best character switched every week? It went from being Sheik, then Bowser, then Luigi, then back to Sheik, and finally ended up on Diddy?
>>339670573
Speaking of both Meta Knight and your subject, back when Brawl first launched, a ton of people thought Snake was the best character in the game.
Meta Knight only started to get recognition due to M2K realizing his potential. He wasn't even considered broken when the first tier list released, it was when the 2nd tier list came out that people realized that Meta Knight was an actual problem.
The only non sperg in Melee is Armada who has a real job as a teacher. HBox is an engineer but daddy issues up the ass. Mango will never do better than retail monkey. I've been to Smash locals and Melee kids have eSports celeb as a career goal, the Smash 4 players have college degrees and play games as a hobby. You see these Melee posts and it's clear this is the case across the country. Smash 4 players can actually take the joke that they are playing party games competitively. Melee fans going full retard at every opportunity only drives the point home.
>>339670979
Melee = for autists
Sm4sh = for adjusted people
>>339671264
>play games as a hobby.
well you don't need to practice to be good at smash 4
>>339671417
Then why aren't you beating Zero consistently with your amazing melautist power ?
It's literally free money for you ;^)
>there will never be another EVO with wahoo jump punch the game
>there will always be these autistic fucks in these EVO threads for the rest of time
>wahoo jump punch will eventually eclipse real fighting games because of the meme that melee is good
>pokeman is now considered a fighting game
You people have ruined the FGC and EVO. Thanks.
>>339671742
ur welcome come play smash
