Are "e-sports" sports?
>>339616537
Fuck no
>>339616537
Fuck no
no, but are they e-?
>>339616728
what does the e even stand fo? Electronic?
>>339616537
They're non-physically intensive sports like chess. Although I never understood the fascination with esports. I can download a game and play it in my underwear in the comfort of my home with a few clicks. If I want to play full contact American football, I need to find at least 43 other players, all the gear, 7 refs, a 100 yard field, and schedule it so that everyone can make it.
>>339616537
No. They dont require any physical skill. Its a shitty term for it but its fine. I just call them Competitive Gamers. They still have to practice like 80 hours a week
>>339616537
if they were they wouldn't be called E-sports, they'd be just sports
>>339616537
Really scraping for these Air Bud movies now aren't they?
>>339616537
no e-sports are e-sports if e-sports wasnt e-sports it would be sports
>>339616756erotic
>>339616537
nope, and they never will be
sports are physical activity
>"BUT MUH FAST THINKING AND QUICK REFLEXES"
Chess and speed chess aren't sports either, they're games. People make shitloads of money playing and watching competitive poker, and that's not a sport, it's a game.
Sports are sports and games are games, grow the fuck up and stop trying to redefine words that work perfectly well.
>>339616537Fuck no
>>339616537
fuck yes
>>339616912
this
competitive games aren't necessarily sports
e-sports are e-sports. I'll never understand why retards can't seem to figure this out.
>>339616875
kek, just some oc I made
>>339616875
underrated
>APM Bud
>have satellite radio
>listening to one of the sports channels
>they do a sports update
>something something counter-strike
>Nigga wat?
>turn up the radio
>they're talking about some esports tournament
I don't care if you like this stuff, but keep it out of my real sports. They don't send out an update about the chess competition over the PA during half-time of a football game.
>>339616537
They aren't sports but they are competitions that take their own set of skills. Sports are physical and the participants are athletes. "Esports" participants are not athletes.
>>339616537
What is more likely to be said.
>When I grow up I want to be just like Michael Jordan
or
>When I grow up I want to be just like XxSilentKiller420xX
>>339617594
The Denver Broncos vs some LoL players in a game of football and then a game of LoL when?
I have friends who argue e-sports are real sports and require more skill.
>>339617737
Sadly, the second one nowadays. Kids fucking adore let's players and shit.why did youtube go to such shit. I miss YouTube poop
>>339617737
would make more sense if they said something like
>When I grow up I want to be just like boxer or mvp
>>339617765
They'd be dead after the game so they would need to play LoL first
>fat neckbeards had to create this term just to tell their moms that they are practicating some sports so they won't be schooled for being a cesspool failure
>>339617880
>mfw DurhamRockerZ made another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wixDVlbxgLs
>>339617737
Irrelevent.
No one asked if esports is more popular than sports.
OP asked if esports, are sports.
>>339617854
I can agree that they require skill, but they still aren't athletes or playing a sport
>>339616819
>Although I never understood the fascination with sports. I can grab some lads and play football in my underwear in the comfort of my own backyard. If I want to play DotA2, I need to find at least nine other players, a $600+ computer plus peripherals, an internet connection, and schedule it so that I have enough time for a full 50+ minute game without any interruption.
The point is that you're a fucking retard.
>>339617854
More skill? What the fuck
Here is what it comes down to.
It is a very similar topic to what is art. You have purists who believe art is one thing and not another. You have those who believe otherwise.
Basically people just need to stop getting upset over language being fluid and changing over time.
>>339616537
it wouldnt be called e-sports if it was
>>339617854
Get friends that aren't fucking dumb
>>339617880
the vast majority of youtube poop is irredeemable garbage, however the few diamonds in the rough more than make up for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vSeF-7X6BY
>>339616537
they should make a movie about a god that competes in e-sports. Starcraft if I had to choose one. That way they wuld be considered sports.
>>339618176
I fucking wish I was joking, but they literally say "Football (soccer) is just kicking the ball around. It's dumb".
>>339618016
better than having a parent force someone into a sport they dont want to do and end up resenting them
>>339618032
That was great
>>>/sp/
>>339618504
>>>>/sp/
That shit hole is a bigger memefest than /v/
>>339618174
having your kid play in organized hockey costs a lot of time and money
The term was created to b on par of pretentious with words like graphic novel or art games. Just another way to say you take basic entertainment too seriously but yu're affraid it will make you look immature, so you call it by other name
>>339618032
Thank you for this, anon <3
>>339616537
>Is it a game?
>Are people getting payed to do it professionally?
If the answer to both of these questions is yes, then yes.
Regardless of how fucking stupid it is, video games as a sport is a thing now and there is just to much money to be made for anyone to stop it now.
>>339616537
According to Marketing? Yes
Yes, like videogames, sports are just games.
>>339619052
>payed
>Sport: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Oh wow. It's not a sport. Who would have guessed?
>>339619052
>payed
Just answer this little question - how could a bunch of guys, sitting in front of their monitors and pressing few keys like maniacs be considered "sportsmen"?
All "competitive" games are about reaction time (a very tiny aspect of real sport) and repeating same schematics over and over. Even "competitive" RTS games like Starcraft are not about thinking, they are about fast clicking and utilizing few "meta" build orders. The only difference comes when bunch of guys launch "unranked" game (like "map of the week") and play purely for fun - in "ranked" they all repeat same "meta", because nobody dares to question the tested outcomes.
This is also the reason why "competitive" games are poison killing fun and good gameplay.
>>339616537
>b-bu ch-chess n poker.
videogames are not chess/poker.
>>339618401
>>339618176
I think some things are missing here. What is skill? I think a good definition here would it is simply the ability to do something well. More skill = more things you need to do well to accomplish something / need to do something much better than another thing comparatively.
Lets take football for example. It doesn't take much skill to move a ball down the field. You move forward and keep the ball infront of you, kicking it forward so you can kick it again when you reach it. Add in some players and rules and then things change quite a bit dont they? You still have the first skills you learned earlier about moving a ball down the field but what about evading and being able to move the ball without it being stolen? Those are skills too, those take quite a lot of time and effort to learn.
But what about e-sports, let alone games in general? Well at the basics you have to learn how to properly input key commands and move a mouse around properly (kicking a ball down the field and running after it). You could look at the rules of soccer and compare them to (just as an example) league of legends. Add in a few rules and you're basically good to go.
What I don't get is why do people feel the need to say one is better than the other. Like did the board become full of salty mexicans and sandniggers since summer began? Is it people being bitter that theyre worse at SC2 than they are soccer? wheres this all coming from?
>>339619052
>getting payed
>>339619415
>chess/poker.
Those are just games.
I have no problem with people playing games professionally, but I feel a name like competitive gaming would be more suitable. Playing a video game isn't a sport, even if it is professionally . I'm glad they at least differentiate them by adding the "e"
They're "sports" like joining the military makes you a "hero"
>>339619052
Considering they're both essentially gigantic commercials (Real sports being gigantic ads for whomever wants to pay up and have their product plastered all over the stadium/commercials and whatnot), and E-sports being the actual product being sold, I'd say they're in the same boat, sure.
Both serve no real purpose other than to incite competitiveness within the 10-26 demographic, which for a lot of kids ends with a lot of kids developing up to high amounts of narcissism because of it.
E-sports are pretty fucking terrible, but so are real sports for pretty much the same reasons, it's just that E-sports are so much more accessible because you don't need to be athletically inclined, that it reaches more kids as a result.
>>339619480
>It doesn't take much skill to move a ball down the field
>>339619509
soccer and football are just games too
>>339619525
but what is so bad about calling it a sport? where is this taboo coming from? language changes over time.
>>339619480
It takes years and years to get good at a sport to play in the top leagues. It can take someone a year to reach the top league in a video game.
Want to know why? Because real sports require you to get in shape.
>>339619052
>payed
>>339619671
refer to >>339619185
Note the bit about physical exertion.
>>339616537
>e-cucks and autistic retards play competitive shit games in a cringefest stream only lossers and redditors watch
Why are you even asking?
>>339619671
To everyone that isn't autistic sports implies large amounts of physical activity, which sitting on your ass in front of a computer screen does not require
>>339619525
Competitive gaming is literally what is. It describes it perfectly.
>>339619671
The taboo is coming from video games not being physical competitions, thus not fitting the established definition of what a sport is. The definition of a word doesn't have to change just because one group decides they want to try using a word differently, it has to catch on with everyone else, and shit maybe it will over time.
Reminder to not talk about competetive vidya on /v/. America has got 50% of the maket, having by far unbeaten highest interest in video games per capita, but they have consistly the worst esports teams across every single relevant game. Even non-esports such as WoW laugh at americans for their incompetence.
Americlaps are the shitters of the shitters of video games and this is board is mostly populated by americans, what do you think will happen?
>e"""""sports"""""
>>339619928
So what about golf?
>>339620060
Have you ever tried walking around a golf course all day?
>>339619697
okay
and?
you're just making video game sports look even better because they dont have extra requirements on them
>>339619928
>>339619697
>>339619669
>>339619908
I rest my case with what I said earlier
Here is what it comes down to.
It is a very similar topic to what is art. You have purists who believe art is one thing and not another. You have those who believe otherwise.
Basically people just need to stop getting upset over language being fluid and changing over time.
I mean I can understand y'all are pretty passionate about the games you enjoy but dont get so upset when someone else calls their game a sport too. You all look like a bunch of kids trying to be elitist on some MMORPG
>>339620060
Golf is actually a sport. Especially when you walk like you're supposed to instead of using a cart.
If chess is considered a sport I don't see why not
There is objectively nothing wrong with calling them "e-sports" They meet all requirements for being a sport but input from the player is electronic instead of physical.
>>339620060
How would you feel after swing clubs as hard as you can all day?
Are they fuck.
Absolutely, this cannot be argued: e-sports are indeed sports.
>>339620195
but no one can agree on whether or not chess is a sport still. people are still arguing over it.
>>339619185
>physical exertion
So straining your mind and moving your fingers aren't physical?
Nowhere in that definition does it say physical CONTACT. Now you can deny the fact the esports are a legitimate sport but if you say it's not a sport then curling isn't either
e-sports are laughable, but I envy those fags for making lots off dumbass children and autistics.
>>339620146
Yes, it's easier than when I hit the soccer field or basketball court. In fact it's almost negligible if I get a cart, then outright easy with a beer
>>339619928
Explain archery
>>339619993
>chess
>not physical, still a sport
Hmm
Is sex a sport?
>>339620205
>objectively
>>339620356
archery requires a lot of exertion, and barely anyone considers it a sport, dumbass.
>>339620381
What else do you think people meant by 1v1-ing?
1v1 me faggot
Everyone that thinks e-sports are equivalent to sports are progressivists and should fuck off to tumblr.
>>339620189
>>339620220
My point was that you can't decide on whether or not something is a sport based off physical exertion alone
>>339620418
This shows your standard of what is a sport is arbitrary and doesn't actually work. As of right now e-sports are still sports.
>>339620360
Its the same shit with video games, people are still arguing about chess being a sport or not.
>>339620418
It's in the olympics isn't it?
>>339620418
>a sport isn't a sport because it's not popular
So I guess handegg isn't a sport because only Americans give a shit about it
>>339620449
Fuck off caveman. Sports are just games at the end, so who cares.
>>339620275
I'm not big on chess but I'm pretty sure it's officially considered a sport
>>339620460
I don't think I understand your point
>>339620532
Having lots of fun with Kornheiser today
>>339620668
>officially
who deems these things as "official"
>>339620532
>>339620636
what are you even on about?
>>339616537
No, the sport I'm the name is just a marketing thing really
>>339616537
they are no sports, they are competitions.
>>339616819
chess is not a sport, is a compatition
About as much a sport as Chess is.
>>339620730
The sports mafia
>>339620789
too many concussions as a child? do you think your mom exerted herself enough to consider dropping her infant son on his head a sport?
Is rasslin sports?
>>339616537
No, that's why they're called esports
>>339620982
/sp/ says it is
>sports
>people who participate are fucking OCD cunts obsessed with what they're doing to the point of insanity
>overhyped as fuck with way too much money involved for what it is
>"fans" that are fucking mindless goddamn idiots
Yeah, sounds like a sport to me.
Alright you niggers calm down. No, e-sports are not sports, they are e-sports. They are called e-sports for this very reason. They are a competitive platform done over an electronic medium and are called e-sports in order to make an important distinction between them and sports. Sports and e-sports are incomparable except for basic concepts like strategy and skill, and thus are two entirely different things. Anyone who dismisses one or the other simply because one is not like the other is retarded, as are people who claim one is objectively better than the other. Both have their place, yet both are different from each other and shouldn't really be compared.
>>339620960
That was probably the least insulted I've ever been in my life, fuck off retard.
>>339621162
Oh wow. The boring guy sitting on the fence.
>>339621118
And yet they have a hint of superiority in their attitudes, and shit talk actual sport athletes, calling them "Meatheads" and shit. It's hilarious.
>>339619480
>It doesn't take much skill to move a ball down the field.
You ever see those "Average Joes vs. Pros" matchups?
The Joes tend not to last long.
>>339621316
Yeah, i totally never seen this happening on gaming as well...
>>339620356
You can skip leg day every day, but you need to have a well developed back, shoulders, and arms in order to draw the bow and to stabilize it throughout the shoot.
There are no similar muscular requirements for gaming.
>>339621450
Missing his counter-point entirely.
Videogames are as much of a sport as horse/car racing.
>>339621749
horse and car racing actually require effort
>>339620181
I get your point about language being fluid, but just because definitions sometimes change doesn't mean people have to accept them happening. As it stands, Esports don't fit into the traditional idea of what a sport is, involving physicality and all that. So you ask most people today, and they'll say video games aren't a sport. Maybe in the future that will change, but as of right now most people stand by the "old" definition.
>>339622190
Try becoming more than a fanboy/consumer at gaming, then we talk.
>>339621162
So why not call them what they are, competitive gaming?
>>339622273
>he thinks e-sports require effort
really?
>>339622342
Dominating and being skilled at a game takes effort, anyone who has played a videogame at some decent competitive level knows this.
I don't know if someone pointed this out in the thread, but the reason people insist on "e-Sports" being compared with real sports is that if you can brand them as equals, then 1) skinny nerds who don't have any athletic skills can claim they're "athletes", and 2) marketers can elevate their crappy game to the status of "sports".
Basically, virgins are trying to elevate videogames to the status of sports so that they can attack sports for being inferior. In other news, videogame players are insecure manchildren.
>>339622796
Anyone can manage that if they cared enough to.
>>339622323
Less of a ring to it, even though I like that better.
It really should be Competitive Gaming though, maybe it would change some of the cancerous attitudes in Esports.
>>339623082
Except for people who are already invested in the scene, the term "e-sports" is met with a sneer and a laugh. "Competitive gaming" is something people immediately understand, both in terms of what the words themselves mean (versus "e-sports", which could easily include electronic chess or poker matches) and because plenty of people know friends who are hardcore into video games and it's hardly surprising that there would be people who would compete for money.
Putting it on the same level as sports is what makes the average person find it absurd.
>>339623032
Typical noob excuse, playing a lot doesn't make the skilled player. It's having the capacity to outsmart your oponent and knowing how to take advantage of the game mechanics and enviroment, just putting effort is not enough, your opponent can have advantage simply for having better control of his own mind and being smarter.
>>339621749
That's why they're caked racing >>339624000
Mental effort =/= physical exertion
>>339624137
>riding a horse doesn't require physical exertion
>>339623459
"Competitive" gaming implies that only a percentage of people are actually competing, when everyone (by definition) competes at games.
Professional gaming is good enough for most instances.
>>339624000
Literally anyone can accomplish that shit
There are games that demand good hand coordination and precision to pull some of their advanced skills, you need to develop muscle memory for good aiming as well, videogames are not just about mental effort, with poor motion skills you will not become a professional player.
https://youtu.be/A1MJPMl8B5Y?t=4m8s
>>339625282
and anyone can play soccer as well. Just not at a competitive level, like your average joe would never beat Fatal1ty.
>>339625979
Difference is practice can make average joe beat fatality
>>339626094
Then why not every try hard among thousands of players will never become Fatal1ty, no matter how much they keep practicing?
>>339626778
Incorrect mouse/mousepad setup
>>339616537
That's like calling Kool-Aid juice.
>>339619052
>there is just to much money to be made for anyone to stop it now.
>>339619052
>Game studios paying people to play their game on a stream, as it's the best new means of advertising, makes it a sport.
>>339616912
>>339617090
But chess is considered a sport.
eSports is buzzword for competitive video games, that's it. I don't think anyone ever believed it was ok to call eSports "sports", sports do not involve video games, while eSports do
