So after the phenomenal base game and two god tier expansion packs we can all agree this is the best game ever right?
>>339587148
As a witcher fan, I really enjoyed it. CDProjekt proved their worth and made a fantastic game.
Wouldn't say best of the best, combat could use some work. Everything else is GOTYAY
>>339587280
Combat is fine.
>>339587337
Its fine, just not the best. Thats what I meant. It never bothered me at all.
>>339587414
Honestly I really liked the combat mostly because of animations, that's kind of what I imagined Geralt fights like when I read the books, too.
>tfw currently almost finishing Season of Storms and it's better than I expected
I've tried getting into the first game multiple times now but the weird combat always makes me drop it after beating the first boss about an hour in. Any tips to help me get into the game?
>>339587478
Me too, all those normie faggots without taste saying the combat is bad, think every game should be like Monster Hunter esque combat perfected, except Geralt doesn't fight like that. It doesn't match thematically
>>339587337
It is. However it's painfully unpolished for a game of this caliber. Doesn't matter that much though, everything dies to igni in seconds on the highest difficulty anywayunless it's a gargoylefuck you gargoyles you cheap pieces of shit
That's not Freespace 2.
In all seriousness Witcher 3 is a great game but I wouldn't call it best. I gave up on it after 14 hours for many reasons, but I won't say the experience was a bad one. The combat is less messy than the first two games but its still a drag.
>>339587148
It's the game I overall enjoyed the most for sure. This should really be the standard for all upcoming games and DLC.
>>339587760
I don't like the combat because its got no weight and after reprogramming my brain for the predecessors I'm almost underwhelmed with how simple its gotten.
>>339587831
bitch, it's all about aard now with the freezing mutagen, it can seriously deal out massive damage and anything lucky enough insta dies, those not lucky are damaged, slowed, and knocked over
>>339587893
i've replayed fs every year since they came out. sad how a game from 99 is still the best space sim.
>>339587337
it really isn't
i've experimented a bit with optimal builds, and the very best thing you can do is put some points into extra vitality and hp regen, the rest of them into quen, and then just spam quen and HP regen items on CD while mashing slow attack and not caring to dodge at all
>>339587148
In my opinion, yes.
>>339587148
Everyone rags on the combat, but Witcher 2 had pretty much the same combat and it was a fine game. The problem with 3 is that the world is hopelessly bloated and a chore to explore, and mixed with the mediocre combat, its a bland experience that just feels like filler.
>>339587148
Agreed OP
>>339588173
The balance is literally crap yeah, but you don't have to roll with the easiest build
All this game has proved is that /v/ give games pass for having shitty gameplay and excessive cinematic story telling because.. well I don't really know.
The Witcher and Witcher 2 are better, this one is fucking PACKED with content but its not better overall. And those two games are not the best ever so this one definitely isn't.
>>339588037
What freezing mutagen?
>>339588439
The sizeable content makes up for it imo. I hate "cinematic" games which are railroaded and done in ~10 hours
>>339588439
Because they disagree with your opinion. Obviously if everyone felt that way they wouldn't also then be giving it a pass while accepting that.
I just started Blood & Wine
>that feels galore during the safari quest
It's already shaping to be my favorite game of the year
>>339588556
"This food isn't very good, but there's so much of it! What a great chef!"
>>339587831
>god tier expansions
Hearts of Stone was good but Blood & Wine is a collossal disappointment.
I rate the whole series
TW1 - 6/10
TW2 - 5/10
TW3 - 7/10
HoS - 8.5/10
B&W - 6.5/10
Overall, it's an above average series but "best ever"? Not even close senpai.
>>339588689
"This meal is so good and I'm not a pleb who puts ketchup(combat) on everything"
Daily reminder that Witcherfags simply cannot make a thread without baiting shitposters with either "Best game ever" or "GOTY" because whenever they try to make a legit thread it gets archived within minutes.
Gameplay is mediocre, the new DLC started off promising only to take a huge turn for the worst and shift drastically from the cool vampire plotline. Side content was meh outside of the Vivienne (best girl) shit and overall, it was pretty mediocre like the base game.
Hearts of Stone is still the best Witcher 3 expansion.
>>339587478
SoS is pretty meh until 2/3 of the book, then suddenly turns awesome.
>>339588439
This webm is lulz
>>339589014
>muh kickstarter indie and early access games!
Kys
Pic related, played Witcher 3 and completed it with all of its DLC.
It wasn't even the best game from 2015. Bloodborne is significantly better in almost everyway. Blood and Wine was one of the most disappointing things i've experienced.Starts off with a crazy opener once in Touissant. Goes very fast but keeps up the entertainment. Duchess isn't a sit on throne type of girl, learn all these clues and feel actual urgency looking during the Hare Hunt. Fight with the "Beast", Regis appears and is already the best character. Trying to find out the Beast's location and use a ancient torture method to do so.
Then you just forget about the Beast who has killed a bunch of people, let Regis fuck off for 3-5 hours while Geralt escorts the Duchess and her captain around the map in bleh quests that just led to blackmailers and a boring villain.
Witcher 3 was pretty forgettable tbqh. Unless you're already heavily invested into the series (through the books or past games) it's likely this game will influence you in anyway. It doesn't excel anywhere and outside of Hearts of Stone (which I enjoyed), even the DLCs left a lot to be desired.
Meanwhile Bloodborne was damn near perfectionoutside of the shitty console limitations.with one of the best DLCs i've played through.
>>339589152
DELETE THIS
MUH FUCKING GOTYS YOU STUPID SONYGGER SOULSFAG
>>339589152
I hate the Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne rivalry. They are two COMPLETELY different games.I do also prefer Bloodborne tho
Loved both Bloodborne and Witcher 3.
Bloodborne is for me the biggest discovery of 2015 and something that refuelled my love for videogames after a decade of dissapointments, and pretty much best thing since Diablo II. No I haven't played Dark Souls.
Witcher 3 I've had much investment into the series, I've been fan of the universe since early 2000's and there is genuinely 10/10 50h in it.
PLAY 1 AND 2 FIRST OP
>>339589152
>comparing apples to oranges
how autistic are you?
>>339588713
>Blood & Wine is a collossal disappointment.
Well memed
>>339589152
>Meanwhile Bloodborne was damn near perfection
You don't actually believe this....do you?
>>339588439
It's an RPG, which are generally story driven; their main focus is the engaging, and long story.
But aside from, I'm guessing you only considered the combat when you rated the gameplay, which is not accurate.
In an action game, you would consider the combat to make up the majority of the gameplay.
In a fighting game, you would consider the combat to make up the the ENTIRETY of the gameplay.
Not in an RPG. There are so many things that contribute to what is considered the gameplay in witcher, and the combat is only one of them.
Exploration is part of the gameplay, your choice in skillset is part of the gameplay, moral choices in the story are part of the gameplay,
Potions, bombs, oils, buffs and debuffs, min-maxing everything you can, crafting, puzzles, minigames (gwent), balancing your currency and inventory space.
All of these affect the game in so many different ways, and they are all equally considered gameplay, because they all affect the way you play the game, and thus, your enjoyment.
>>339589764
Most of /vg/ is errupting into how mediocre it is and >>339589152 goes into more detail while proving that he's played it.
It was pretty disappoitnting tbqh
>casual as fuck combat
>have to play as edgy mary sue
>gameplay and writing contradict each other
>handholdy as all hell
>buggy
Why do people always exaggerate?
It's decent but not great.
>>339589870
Not to mention the small details and love for the source material. The whole package is just a 10/10
>>339587148
As a game it is terrible pandering by-the-numbers ubisoft formula open world busywork with a dysfunctional combat system
But you all bought it because it's anti-SJW and muh cinematic experience and it's not like you give a fuck about good game mechanics
>>339589883
>taking a soulsfags shill AKA thebull94 opinion seriously
shiggy diggy
>>339587148
With mods for the combat, yes.
Best game ever made. Truly worthy of the word: Epic.
>>339588552
there's a new mutagen system unlocked in one quest that lets you get a strong as fuck super-perk
for example give signs crit chance and damage, or increase your damage based on your toxicity etc, or make your aard freeze people
>>339589354
>>339589735
This thread started as Witcher 3 being the best game ever, boyo.
Bloodborne is better but even that isn't the best game ever.
>>339589764
>13:00:28
>>339589827
>13:01:29
Wew lad
And yes, I do think that. It's of course my opinion but Bloodborne is everything I wanted in a game and is the closest thing to a 3D castlevania that I will ever get
>Old School game philosphy in that it focuses on level design, bosses and gameplay over generic narratives that frequently remove control from the player
>Criminally underused setting (in video games) that takes it a step further by adding a twist that completely change the ALREADY original setting into another totally original setting
>Fantastic online incorporation outside of the bell ringers
>Lore heavy and the most engaging setting of any Souls game to date
>Best combat i've ever played in an RPG (possibly games in general though I loved Ninja Gaiden 1 and DMC4)
>DLC was fucking GOAT and added two of the best bosses i've experienced in vidya (Orphan and Ludwig)
>Weapons have obscene levels of depth to them in their movesets, functionality
It's everything I wanted in a game and was a truly memorable experience. Nothing will ever make my jaw hit the floor more than the first time I reached 40 insight and looked at the buildings above.
Technical qualms aside, i'm talking strictly in terms of the games mechanics.
>>339589152
>>339589152
So you don't fight the beast? Or is there just too much filler in between that ruins the pacing?
FKING DELETE THIS!!!!!!! BLOODBORNE IS WAY BETTER!!! 4THEPLAYERS
>>339589870
>Not in an RPG. There are so many things that contribute to what is considered the gameplay in witcher,
Lol, so what else is there to Witcher 3s gameplay?
Walking around, dialogue options that consist of maybe 2 dialogue options on average? Pressing A on red stains?
Combat is over half of Witcher 3s gameplay, Witcher 3 is closer to GTA V than it is any traditional RPG. Listing every mechanic in the game in an attempts to bloat out Witcher 3s barebones minimum gameplay is flat out embarrassing to witness
>>339590159
you fight him like an hour in
>>339587148
neverEVER
>>339589870
>Exploration is part of the gameplay, your choice in skillset is part of the gameplay, moral choices in the story are part of the gameplay,
Potions, bombs, oils, buffs and debuffs, min-maxing everything you can, crafting, puzzles, minigames (gwent), balancing your currency and inventory space.
You do know you can do this to any game and make it seem as if it has complex gameplay, right?
>>339587148
Yes, there's literally no competition.
Witcher is an RPG?
It has about the same amount of (INCREDIBLY MINIMAL) choice as Fallout 4.
Basically zero build variety.
Every single quest is rail-roaded into literally following a red line.
Radiant quest tier side quests like "Kill this monster nest please"
Changing Geralt's hair cut into a bowl cut does not equal player agency.
>but you can get a good ending or a bad ending! that makes it an RPG!
Guess what, damn near every shitty game has that option and it doesn't mean shit.
If you seriously tried to compare this to literally ANY classic RPG you'd be laughed at. It's an basically action game and they couldn't even make the action satisfying to play.
They should've made an animated movie instead.
But the amazing videos aren't even made by CDPR so it has to be a game, I guess.
Have fun with your polish Uncharted.
>>339590493
How do we save CDPR bros?
>>339590563
>as Fallout 4
You're not even trying
>>339590031
Yes this as well. The lore behind the source material, attention to detail, et al. All this shit contributes towards your enjoyment of the game.
If a racing game had piss poor driving mechanics, you'd get sick of it really quickly. If a fighting game had piss poor combat mehcanics, you'd get sick of it quickly. If a visual novel had piss poor story, you'd get sick of it quickly. Because in these cases, there is very little else to the game aside from that.
Whereas in RPGs, there is so much content and interaction available between you and the game, in order for an RPG to be bad, it would have to fail at more than one of the things I mentioned in the post above.
>>339590245
>Combat is over half of Witcher's gameplay
Did you pull this number out of your arse?
I suppose Witcher is not the equivalent of an old-school RPG, it's more defined by a cRPG, which is fair.
But what you consider the majority of the gameplay depends on how you like to play RPGs. If you intend on playing the Witcher 3 as purely an action game, then I'm sure you'll be disappointed. If you play it for the story, for the exploration, the lore, etc., then I'm sure you'll find yourself having more fun than others, because in those aspects, the game is really good.
>>339590493
It cuts too deep bros, maybe CDPR should ask Fromsoft for advice?
>>339590616
prove me wrong plumber boy
>>339590563
I say it's better than any classic RPG's. No one of mention is laughing at me, pleb.
>>339590616
That's exactly what I said to CDPR when I was playing witcher 3.
>>339590681
>I suppose Witcher is not the equivalent of an old-school RPG, it's more defined by a cRPG, which is fair.
It's no more of a cRPG than Red Dead Redemption or GTA V.
>If you play it for the story, for the exploration, the lore, etc
Go read a book.
>>339590682
>ask Fromsoft for advice
But dear anon, that would make them not win GOTY
>>339590493
Will CDPR ever get on based manlet Todds level bros?
>>339590079
>sharpening
>>339590682
tfw from is to busy shitting out roll combat corridor simulator every year instead of giving me a new armored core
Witcher 3 is the GOTY, alongside fellow GOTY winners like DA:I and TLOUS.
You simply can not play better games than these, it's the pinnacle of gaming.
>>339590802
>GoTY
>ever mattering
GoTYs go up in number every year and every year the most cinematic game is chosen (Uncharted, Last of Us, Witcher 3, Journey and Dragon Age)
>>339587148
>Phenomenal base game
No choices really matter. Endings are just as bad as Mass Effect 3's endings.
The amount of Bethesdrones, Biowaredrones, Soulsdrones in this thread is astounding. Remember retards your shit half-assed games can never match the greatness of Witcher 3. Can't wait for Cyperpunk to win goty.
Fuck Witcher 3 piece of cinematic shit.
>>339591015
Generally there should be 2 witcher threads up, 1 for shitposting dumps and 1 for discussion. CBA make another one though.
>>339591015
>>339590854
I think they had enough for now. So it'll be either mechs or shinobi now.
>>339590484
>You do know you can do this to any game and make it seem as if it has complex gameplay, right?
Yeah I might be stretching in some places, and I'm sure in others I'm not reaching far enough.
If you're talking about an RPG, then I'm sure you could create a list just as long or even longer.
However, some genres can't be stretched that far, genres very specific, like racing games, sports game or fighting games, that really only focus really well on that one gameplay aspect.
>>339590742
I've never played GTA or RDR, but if they're anything like other rockstar games and from what I've seen, Witcher has more depth to it than either of those games.
>Go read a book.
Ooo, good argument.
Read the entire paragraph and then get back to me.
>>339591105
>Generally there should be 2 witcher threads up
Why mods won't delete CDPR drones turning this board into their advertising forum is beyond me.
>>339591015
Most of us with good taste are playing Blood and Wine currently, which I will too when I'm done taking a shit.
>>339587148
Can I play Witcher 3 without playing 1 and 2? I tried 1 but I didn't like it because I'm a shitter. What should I do?
>>339590142
Woah, I posted both of those, what an detective. So what? You don't call samefags for no reason. Fucking newfags.
>>339591105
>>339591015
see
>>339588848
Witcherfags do it all the time. IT's the only way their shitty game can get any discussion going
>>339588439
Why doesn't Stamina go down....?
>>339591178
>downgrade
>still one of the best looking games ever
What kind of magic is that?
Witcher 3 is trash but I still love Polacks. No other country in central Europe where fathers sell their daughters cheaper than a big mac. I love it. Great vacations.
>>339591185
>I've never played GTA or RDR, but if they're anything like other rockstar games and from what I've seen, Witcher has more depth to it than either of those games.
Every game ever made has more depth than Witcher 3, anon
>>339591246
Sure go ahead. None of the choices matter. None at all. And you get to pick out of 3 endings. Wowee really deep.
>>339587148
I agree. As a fan of the books, I loved the books and the two expansions.
Blood & Wine is a masterpiece.
My only quirks with the game is the sloppy movement, which in turn also affects combat, and the over-reliance on witcher senses.
Sage CDPR shill threads. They want your replies. Always sage when shitposting.
>>339591293
We have a lot of quality discussion when you man children don't spout your crying and shilling in our threads lmao
>>339591307
>doesn't even look better than a cross gen 2014 game
You tell me
>>339591370
I never new GTA had so much too it.
I've only ever seen multiplayer gameplay though; I always figured the SP was only about shooting shit and driving into shit.
That witcher summary doesn't seem very fair though.
Why do people compare Bloodborne to Witcher all the time?
It's like comparing super mario to Uncharted. Not only are they two completely different games, they are also made with two completely different philosophies.
>>339591448
>implying I don't sage every Witcher 3 related thread
>>339591537
You mean the enhanced edition for PC which came out in 2015, right?
>>339591705
Shame dirty Polacks will phonepost bump their threads anyways. /v/ is fucked. Everything goes to shit when you invite the whores and niggers of Europe to hijack your board.
>>339591537
>81 million dollar game Vs 265 million dollar game
>>339591178
what game has the best water at the moment? gta 5's is pretty good.
w3 really dropped the ball on everything water
>underwater combat is spamming autolock crossbow
>those useless stashes around skellige
>npcs in skellige all talk about being one with the water, born of the ocean yadda yadda yet not a single one of them sail anywhere, waters are completely dead except small fishing boats
>>339591304
he's spending adrenaline points but gaining more than he spends
>>339591632
You should've see the amount of crying here when Witcher 3 won game of the year, that's why. They always say shit such as "le game of the year dindu matter!", when a lot of the babies cried and probably hanged themselves when "their" game didn't win.
>>339591875
Ah, wasn't aware that was a thing.
>>339591815
81 million buys more in poorland than 265 does in the USA
>>339591830
Black Flag
About Blood and Wine, I'm wondering if anyone has the same problem as I have. Drowners and enemies underwater do not die of crossbows anymore, I mean, it does just like 10 dmg or something not the insane critical underwater hit it used to.
Bug or something new?
I have legit never seen a Witcher drone talk about anything besides awards and graphics. They spend so much time here I doubt they even play this turd.
>>339591815
-Polish cucks who hire literal slaves for potato payments giving the whole 81 million dollar budget purely dedicated to their game
vs
Americans who have to pay their staff truckloads or else "muh jail"
I'd rather just watch a Witcher TV series than 'play' it.
Amazing world building but it's tedious and completely unengaging to play.
I really enjoyed Blood and Wine. The world was a nice change, not having it being a totally war-torn place and having the abandoned sites actually serve some purpose to the world.
>>339591998
normal or under water combat? the crossbow has always been pretty useless outside of dropping harpys and underwater.
Honestly Witcher 3 is the best game ever made. When I compare it to any other trash games released in 2015 like Fallout 4, it is not even fair how much better Witcher 3 is. The amount of detail to game-world, graphics, soundtrack, quests, immersion, story are all excellent.
We probably won't see any game better than Witcher 3 in the near future. I can't imagine any other developer making a game close to Witcher 3 ever. TESVI will be trash just like Fallout 4.
And people that say the combat is shit in Witcher 3, are wrong. The combat is mediocre to good. Seriously name one wrpg that has better combat than Witcher 3?
Cyberpunk 2077 will be the next game to achieve a milestone of the greatest game ever after Witcher 3. Until Cyberpunk 2077, every game will look like trash compared to Witcher 3.
>>339592018
They don't. The DLC has gave the game a few legs but give it another week and it'll look like pic related.
The game has no replayability and even Witchershills get bored out of their minds in that shitty movie.
It's hilarious how they resort to "muh dick" tier nigger arguments ("muh goty") to justify their shit game
>>339592018
Yet you still post in Witcher threads
>>339592129
>Seriously name one wrpg that has better combat than Witcher 3?
Skyrim. It really raised the bar and is objectively the best game ever made, Witcher 3 doesn't even come close
>>339592128
Underwater, I know it was always useless in regular combat, but now it would probably take about 20-30 crossbow hits to kill a drowner that's 5-10 levels below me.
Basically, the crossbow does the same damage now underwater as it does regular combat. Must be a glitch, since I literally now have no way of killing underwater enemies.
>>339592186
>You play in a pre-determined character yet expect the same amount of freedom in skyrim
Holy fuck, are you guys retarded?
Witcher 3:
-Fast attack (3 hit combo max)
-Heavy attack (2 hit combo max)
-Can't even mix fast with heavy combos dynamically
-Can't even consistently control whether Geralt starts spinning like an autist or if he does a simple slash
Why is this acceptable in a game about a swordsman where the only weapon in the game (outside of some inferior gimmick one handed axes with the EXACT same movesets) is a one handed sword?
>>339592186
>Skyrim
>Better combat than Witcher 3
What the fuck? There is literally one r1/r2 move that you spam till everything dies in Skyrim.
>>339591998
you enabled enemy upscaling
>>339592278
It's not. But with an army of Polack shits with phones screaming down your throat for pointing it out, it suddenly becomes acceptable.
>>339592349
>There is literally one r1/r2 move that you spam till everything dies in Skyrim.
So exactly like Witcher 3 minus the creative builds, dual wielding, 2handing and stealth mechanics?
Good to know
>>339592568
No? In Witcher 3 you can dodge roll, strafe in every direction, that are multiple r1/r2 moves/combos, special moves that you unlock from skill points, signs, bombs, etc.
>>339591370
>Over 20+ weapons that DRASTICALLY ALTER your BUILD
What build? having a smg or an assault rifle is a build? using a small pistol with 12 bullets or a big pistol with 6 but more damage is drastically altering anything?
>>339592737
> that are multiple r1/r2 moves/combos
Outright lie, see >>339592278
You have a total of 5 combos in the whole game. X, X, X or Y, Y.
>n Witcher 3 you can dodge roll, strafe in every direction
Exact same in Skyrim.
> special moves that you unlock from skill points, signs, bombs, etc.
Exact same in Skyrim (swap bombs for anyone of the fuckload of archery builds in the game)
>open world walking simulator with spinny shit combat is best game ever
lmao
>>339592814
What build in Witcher 3?
A swordsman with some spell gimmicks
A swordsman with some bomb/potion gimmicks
A swordsman
The combat it's absolutely fucked though
>>339590096
Oh dank. What quest is that? One of the higher level ones that popped into my questlog?
>>339592959
You're never going to get anywhere comparing the two. The only things they share in common is action-RPG, open world and similar medevil setting.
>>339593121
starts when a kid brings you a letter
>>339592371
Nah, it's disabled since I was an appropriate level.
>>339593030
Yes.
>>339593309
>>339593121
It's what Triss is telling you about in that letter, "Turn and face the Strange" is the name of the quest.
I'm playing W3 right now. Should I do the DLCs after finishing the main game or will I need to do them before that?
>>339593441
I prefer to do them afterwards, after you finish the main quest you get dropped into the world again (with the changes made from the last quest(s) reverted) and gives you total freeplay. I think the DLC's fit nicely into that too.
>>339587148
do you enjoy shilling this shit game so much?
literally every statement in your post is not true.
enjoy your ban
>>339590563
> minimal
I bet your baron hung himself you pleb.
Also combat can be fast or slow. it all depends ow you want to play. The writing is good.
> "Kill this monster nest please"
The role of the fucking witcher is to go and kill fucking monsters you god dam neck beard.
>>339593030
>CDPRfags will defend this
>>339588173
>min-maxing in an RPG
You dota-fags have brain cancer.
>>339593606
>The role of the fucking witcher is to go and kill fucking monsters you god dam neck beard.
the role of the sole survivor is to protect the settlements :^)
>>339593441
I'm not sure of the actual order things are intended but there is extra dialog doing HoS during the main quest and there seems to be some in B&W if you've at least made a love decision. I got a lovely letter from Triss.
I played W1 and liked it well enough. It wasn't mindblowing or anything but it was engaging and the atmosphere/world was good.
I started W2 yesterday and, admitedly after a few hours or so, something seems off. It seems like a different series for some reason, it just doesn't clicks with me like the first did. Does it get better? Also while the first game combat was poor, this one seems like a chinese version of Dark Souls and it's actually worse than the first game...
Also it it just me or the controls seem fucked with a controller? movements isn't smooth at all
>>339594606
ye the games are all shit
only ppl who like them are shills end edgy twitch kids who crazy about le mature nudity and sex scenes and 2deep4u mary sue protagonist
>>339594606
combat is shit in 2. controls are sorta clunky either way. i played it with kb/m first then with a 360 on a 2nd playthrough and didn't notice a huge difference. its just a bit clunky either way.
>>339587148
>the best game ever
No, there's no such thing.
It's one of the best games out there tho.
1>3>2
You know it's true
Anyone know what quests I can't do after going to the point of no return in Blood and Wine?
>>339587148
Why are the running animations in this game so fucking ugly?
Geralt runs like a balloon man with shit in his pants, pic related for example is the exact opposite
But on the threads topic, I didnt really like the game. It doesn't feel like an RPG in the slightest, and the only thing I can say was genuinely better than in other "rpg"'s was how your choices affect the world
too much meaningless buttonmashing combat, all weapons are similar and the diablo loot system makes most gear useless/ trivial, the world is way too big with not nearly enough meaningful content, roach is shit, the graphics downgrade, ciri etc etc
also Velen was the best part of the game, Skellige was unbearably awful, felt like skyrim all over again trying to nudge up mountains and spending much more time traveling than actually doing something
>>339587148
Nah...
Naaaaah.
It's yet another game I played and forgot about until another Xpac came out (both of the were hit&Miss)
Nothing memorable, won't be a generation classic. CDprojectRED has to move to better things. I hope Cyberpunk has actual interesting & fun combat.
>>339587478
That the new one? What's it about/when's it set?
Also my GoG Galaxy has had Server Problems the whole time so I haven't downloaded it yet. What do I do.
>>339593441
You can do Heart of Stone whenever if you think you have the level for it but Blood&Wine is clearly meant to be Geralt's next adventure, there's no reason for him to get sidetracked so much as to leave for Toussaint.
hello /v/eddit
>>339591537
You always post this webm, when GTA V launched it was arguably one of the most impressive open world games out, and it was on ancient as fuck consoles. Rockstar employs a massive team of engineers working on their rendering tech. Look back at their other last-gen games like Red Dead Redemption and Max Payne 3 (on PC), it's not a surprise that a few years later, GTA V is still one of the best looking open world games out.
>>339589152
I would agree if Bloodborne also didn't have a large set of awful design decisions:
>the awful healing/farming system that puts a constant pain the in back on the player as he works around playing the game, elevating stats and buying vials after around amelia where it becomes necessary as the enemeis seem to drop less
>the general poor quality of the game after amelia, forbidden woods, byrgenwerth, yahar'gul, hemwick lane, lecture building, nightmare frontier and nightmare of mensis are all fairly disappointg areas with mostly shitty bosses and poor "horde" encounter design
>upper cathedral ward is painfully short, it's basically one room, and yet is really good in terms of atmosphere, but they wasted it by making the one room frustrating as fuck with the shitty brainsucker placement and "hurr durr let's put like 5 beasts in a small place", then they give you an absolutely horrific boss, the celestial emissary, followed by a boss that might as well be in a different area that is pretty good.
>Cainhurst is short, underdeveloped, but has a decent boss
>chalice dungeons are largely tedious, frustraing garbage with more "hurr how can we fit so many enemies in a short space" tier encounters
>the "twist" in the game is both massively underdeveloped, and massively underutilised, outside of the amygdala's and few other things, the insight mechanic feels lazy, why didn't the developers actually take advantage of it like a game like say, eternal darkness does with it's sanity effects?
>the areas after rom are both disappointing in terms of uninspired and dull encounter and level design and poor bosses, but also because they never take advantage of the full eldritch potential, the nightmare areas in particular feel like a large retread of the thematic substance you've already experienced for 90% of the game in terms of presentation and level design, nightmare frontier feels absolutely dull and pointless as well
Cont.
>>339598413
>awful design decisions
>goes on to list subjective opinions
I disagree with most of what you said outside of the "awful farming system" which I agree is utter bullshit.
>>339590142
>>339589152
>>339598413
>The online system is absolute garbage compared to any of the souls games, the bell ringing system is obtuse and unneccesary, and the focus on the nightmare areas ruins a lot of the omnipresent dread feeling playing souls games give, there is really no reason to ever be prepared or bother invading in any other area
>the story, while both inspired and unique, feels unfinished, the great amount of ties to the byrgenwerth part of the story, the following splits and various event in yharnam feels fantastic, it feels like they put a lot of care into the game, but, it still feels lacking in areas.
>the pthumerian side of things espeically, which was obviously originally intended to be a bigger part of the game, seems to have been relegated to chalices in a "slap up and cut/paste" kind of way, it absolutely ruins both the incredibly interesting potential of a weird underground city, and also the opportunity to set up a wider mythology and setting for the bloodborne universe, things like Loran are criminally underutilised and largely untied to the game world
>the great ones, while certainly important to the games themes, and done in a way which makes them feel "eldritch" in motivations, feel somewhat lacking, outside of the moon presence, their involvement makes them feel like little more than creatures, amygdala especially largely goes unexplained, why is it there, what does it do, it works in a "inspired by lovecraft" way, but in terms of building an interesting character, it's absolutely horrendous and wasted, ebrietas as well is criminally underutilised to the extent where it feels more like a statue in the games story rather than a "great one".
Cont.
>>339598413
>famring
Agreed, farming sucks but if you're not complete shit at games it shouldn't be an issue.
>dip in quality of level design
Outright disagree. Forbidden woods is god tier for people who aren't scrubs. It's level of complexity is unmatched in any Souls game in terms of level complexity. "Horde" encounter design is not poor and works to Bloodbornes combats strengths. Seems you're more mad over your lack of ability to deal with these areas efficiently.
>upper cathedral ward is painfully short
Hence why it's an optional area. Seems you're more mad over your lack of ability to deal with this area efficiently.
>Cainhurst is short, underdeveloped, but has a decent boss
>chalice dungeons are largely tedious
Completely optional and offer what is the only Soulsborne end game available. Don't like em then avoid them. They are fun for what they were meant to be.
>the "twist" in the game is both massively underdeveloped, and massively underutilised
Disagree on both points, the amount of changes and replayability from the system alone make it just fine the way it is utilized. Expecting an Action RPG to have similar mechanics to a pure Pschological horro game is a dumb idea. People would have hated such a gimmick and i'm glad it's not in the game.
>the areas after rom are both disappointing in terms of uninspired and dull encounter and level design and poor bosses
Agreed but only because the areas/bosses before it were so great. The areas after Rom are not outright bad (not even close) nor are the bosses and besides, Gehrman is a boss after Rom who is fun as fuck.
Seems like a lot of opinions rather than objective complaints.
>>339599154
>The online system is absolute garbage
PVP itself is fine, the bell system is what fucks it up
>the story, while both inspired and unique, feels unfinished
You're going to need to elaborate more because I definitely disagree here.
>the pthumerian side of things espeically
No need commenting on this, you don't say much of worth here.
>the great ones, while certainly important to the games themes, and done in a way which makes them feel "eldritch" in motivations, feel somewhat lacking, outside of the moon presence, their involvement makes them feel like little more than creatures, amygdala especially largely goes unexplained, why is it there, what does it do, it works in a "inspired by lovecraft" way, but in terms of building an interesting character, it's absolutely horrendous and wasted, ebrietas as well is criminally underutilised to the extent where it feels more like a statue in the games story rather than a "great one".
You said it yourself, "it works in an inspired by Lovecraft way" and you're using flat out hyperbole throughout this specific point.
>>339599154
>The Rune system is awful compared to rings, it offers nowhere near the level of interesting unique effects
>the loading screens between all lamp travel is tedious as fuck
>the magic system, while decent after the dlc in terms of application, offers nowhere near the sheer level of utility, variety and sheer justification into the stats as souls does, especially before the dlc, it feels like they just slapped arbitrary arcane scaling on several weapons to get around the stat being largely useless, the dlc changed this a lot though, but not enough to even come close to the level souls games offer with their three tier magic systems.
Onto the DLC, as I sincerely do not understand how people can claim it's one of the greatest of all time.
To start, Orphan of Kos and Ludwig were two absolutely fantastic bosses, Orphan in particular is the series hardest without a doubt, and Ludwig I would put on the same tier as some of the hardest bosses from DS3, so I will get that out of the way. Maria as well, is an okay boss.
>Living failures seem redundant after the main game, why not just make them a non-boss encounter, for me, this both halted the level of satisfaction I had with research hall, and also dampened the level of hype I had for the maria boss fight
>Laurence is a garbage boss design wise, the asset reuse, the aoe's, the inflated health pool, it's one of my least favourite fights in the entire series
>the areas still don't really go into a territory I felt bloodborne needed with it's inspiration, hunter's nightmare felt relatively tame after a game full of blood effects, research hall felt somewhat like a retread of the dukes archives gimmick, and I felt that overall, they could have done something more unique to set the area apart, in addition, the enemy variety here was absolutely piss poor.
cont.
Enjoyed the BnW way more than HoS.
Witcher 3 is the best game I played since Gothic II.
I feel kinda empy, knowing its the last adventure of the White Wolf. Never have I felt so emotionally invested in the characters of a game before.
I´m fucking sad.
>The Rune system is awful compared to rings
They were different and Dark Souls 3 followed a similar blueprint.
>the loading screens between all lamp travel is tedious as fuck
5~ seconds on average for me post patch.
>the magic system, while decent after the dlc in terms of application, offers nowhere near the sheer level of utility, variety and sheer justification into the stats as souls does
And i'm glad for it, Dark Souls magic was complete cancer in PVP.
>Onto the DLC, as I sincerely do not understand how people can claim it's one of the greatest of all time.
For the same reason I disagree with a lot of your points, you offer little in the way of objective complaints but rather subjective preferences and dislikes.
The main reasons Bloodborne sees such praise from all those who play it (Super Bunnyhope, a respectable reviewer that /v/ actually listens to has it as his favorite game this gen.) is due to the setting, combat, atmosphere and lore.
It takes an already criminally underused setting and makes it even more original with the Lovecraftian twist.The combat is outright gorgeous to partake in and alone make the chalice dungeons fun. Bosses were also perfectly fine by Souls standards (most people forget just how weak Dark Souls 1s bosses were pre DLC. Who was there outside of Ornstein & Smough). Level design is also completely stellar. Optional areas are in an abundance and it does all of this while making one of the most engrossing/mysterious game worlds i've had the pleasure of unraveling and discussing
Bloodborne is just a game where everything "clicked".
Give these videos a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voMAx-lKfIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9_RJ2EPo0
It may make you understand why the game is so appreciated
>>339599726
>the fishing hamlet area is by far the standout area in the entirety of bloodborne when it comes to grasping that unique feeling, the rainy moody atmosphere, the unique enemies and the heavily unique visuals, and yet it's criminally short, the first area is over with fast, the second mines area is short, and the third town area is absolutely pointless and there is nothing important to do there, this was incredibly disappointing, if the Orphan wasn't here, it would have been even more so.
A few other complaints:
>the gameplay, while fast, fluid and mostly fun, is somewhat less satisfying than souls for several reasons, the huge health bars, and less "heavy" feeling weapons, even in the larger weapons like LHB, makes the game play feel faster, but also more "wish washy" in a sense, if it wasn't for the visceral system, which makes it feel a lot more physical
>the encounter design by large I feel is less satisfying than other souls games, it feels like they increased the amount of enemies you would fight in areas threefold, heaivly increased the standard enemies potential attack damage, but only justified it through large sweeping weapons and the regain system
Overall I'd give bloodborne an 8/10, it's a good game, but I have absolutely no idea how outside of the visuals and presentation, people can claim not to be disappointed in parts with it, and the parts I was disappointed in were pretty significant enough to make the game a lot less enjoyable to play.
>>339599154
>>339599726
>>339598413
What's your favorite game so I may proceed to nitpick and plaster my preferences all over it to discredit its greatness?
>>339600494
see
>>339600320
>>339599493
>>339599712
Most of what you list is completely subjective opinions.
>I was disappointed in were pretty significant enough to make the game a lot less enjoyable to play.
For you
>>339587337
its not
>>339590607
>>339590682
>Mediocre RPG that even hardcore witcherbabbies cant stomach past Act 1 and 2
The game only gets good after ACT 2
>>339593656
That's literally the only fun mechanics related thing to do in games as poorly designed as the Witchers
>>339600320
>makes it even more original with a lovecraftian twist.
I felt that bloodborne hardly even began with this though, especially in the main game, it felt like you reached a high with ebrietas, only to have several shitty nightmare areas that could have easily felt so much more "eldritch".
For me, it's really only in the implications of what might happen where bloodborne reaches it's true heights, the moon presence, mensis ritual, the nature of amygdala, but in a game sense, it's limp and falls flat, especially before the dlc.
>the rune system is awful compared to rings and dark souls 3 followed a similar blueprint
It's more the variety of effects the rings give you and how they alter the game, the obscuring ring, havels ring, hawk ring, knight slayers ring, carthus milkring, silvercat ring, bellowing dragoncrest ring, the untrue rings, reversal ring, skull and calamity rings and the rings of sacrifice
It's just a much more interesting application.
>5 seconds on average
This is far from the experience I have, playing it as recently as yesterday, having to go through two 10-30 second loading screens to travel anywhere was both incredibly annoying pacewise, and incredibly ridiculous game design wise, it feels like they implemented for no other reason than perhaps some of the game engine being fucked or something
>dark souls magic was complete cancer in pvp
I don't really understand this criticism, the variety in magic effects and utility is more refreshing than anything, and it allows the game to feel mixed up rather than monotonous.
>can't find a language pack torrent
>still no voices/lip movement
>if I try downloading from any link my internet crashes halfway through every time
>one quest I picked from the board just says [DEBUG] Witcher contract
>>339600570
I don't really have a "favourite game", I enjoy several games, but that doesn't prevent me from seeing their obvious flaws.
I enjoyed a lot bloodborne, but I found the flaws obnoxious enough to the point where it really did effect my overall satisfaction with the game.
>>339592568
just dodging and side strafing is better than everything in skyrim combat, theres no way you can even defend a combat system that doesnt even have a dodge or parry in this day and age.
>I don't really understand this criticism, the variety in magic effects and utility is more refreshing than anything, and it allows the game to feel mixed up rather than monotonous.
Bloodborne isn't Dark Souls and it's better/more memorable because of it
>It's more the variety of effects the rings give you and how they alter the game, the obscuring ring, havels ring, hawk ring, knight slayers ring, carthus milkring, silvercat ring, bellowing dragoncrest ring, the untrue rings, reversal ring, skull and calamity rings and the rings of sacrifice
Bloodborne isn't Dark Souls and it's better/more memorable because of it
Is it possible to get the good ending in blood and wine if you went to see that head vampire dude?
Also I can't be the only one disappointed with the story compared to heart of stone.
Didn't find any sex scenes either despite doing afaik every side quest.
>>339587148
Ever? no.
best game of the past 5 or so years? Yes.
>>339601312
>doesnt even have a dodge or parry in this day and age.
Except it has a dodge mechanic.
What's not acceptable is having:
-Fast attack (3 hit combo max)
-Heavy attack (2 hit combo max)
-Can't even mix fast with heavy combos dynamically
-Can't even consistently control whether Geralt starts spinning like an autist or if he does a simple slash
When your game is heavily focused around swordsplay
>>339587148
>The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt developers at CD Projekt RED spoke to Angry Joe at E3, commenting on how the Batman Arkham and Assassin's Creed games have influenced the title
it truly sets itself apart from yearly rehashes with shit gameplay and cinematic shit.
Combat is fenomenal, controls are on point, animations are extremely detailed.
Quest are varied and diversified from the usual go from point a to b.
>>339601329
>bloodborne isn't dark souls and it's more memorable because of it
Except the rune system was far less interesting than rings in both implementation and variety, it took the dlc to introduce some actual interesting effects.
The magic in bloodborne is similarly largely shit, augur of ebrietas is no more memorable or interesting than something like soul stream, sunlight spear, crystal souls spear or chaos bed vestiges.
>>339601446
Spot on m8
>>339587148
I wouldn't say ever, but it's definitely among the best in modern history. Especially by current subpar standards. It almost feels wrong to be treated right by CDPR.
>>339590245
That image is the typical contrarian /v/.
Can't expect everyone to like the game. Especially since there are a large number that hate the game simply because many like it.
>>339591370
You know that isn't true. And that picture was blatant /v/ nitpicking. Which happens all the fucking time on this site. "Waah I hate this game so I'll pick shitty stuff to compare it to Y game which I find better"
>>339601629
Bloodborne isn't Dark Souls and it's better/more memorable because of it
>>339587148
I might try it out. It doesn't have the shitty rock paper scissors combat from the first game does it?
>>339601921
>bloodborne isn't dark souls and it's better/more memorable because of it
>why?
>because... uh... shit... uh...
>bloodborne isn't dark souls and it's better/more memorable because of it!
>>339587148
>So after the phenomenal base game and two god tier expansion packs we can all agree this is the best game ever right?
Absolutely. A flawless peace of art, for the ages.
Our children will be jealous of us for having experienced it in its natural 2016 state.
>>339588017
>Dodge swing at them
>Dodge swing at them
>dodge swing at them
the way the witcher 3 enhances difficulty is by adding in a push stagger that you have to roll away from, much skill!
>>339602041
>let me list some preferences with Bloodborne, now I want you to argue with me and for you to tell me why my opinion is wrong
Why would I care if you think the game is an 8/10?
Hearts of Stone
>Not a bad main quest in the bunch
>One of the best antagonists in video games
>Great and diverse set pieces
>Tragic story with emotional heft
Blood and Wine
>Terrible antagonists with twists you'll see coming a mile away
>Scatterbrained main story that can't decide if you're hunting vampires or chasing a major conspiracy against the Duchess's wine supply
>Underwhelming ending
I can't help but feel that Witcher 3's legacy has somehow been tarnished by such a mediocre effort.
>>339602303
I explained why I thought the game was flawed with various reasons.
But your argument is literally:
>bloodborne isn't dark souls and it's better/more memorable because of it
There's no substance.
Honestly, if you're not even going to try, why even bother responding to me?
>>339598413
>>339599154
>>339599726
>>339599726
Screencapped so I can use these to absolutely BTFO sonyggers.
If bloodborne really that shitty that you must invade witcher 3 threads to discuss it when bb threads suck so much?
>>339602387
This. Also a lot of the side quests in blood and wine seem really short. There's some fun ones though like the talking roache one.
Anyone know of any new sex scenes?
>>339602565
>I explained why I thought the game was flawed with various reasons.
With various subjective reasons that I don't care enough to argue anymore, i've already responded to most of your posts but stopped when I realized most of what you said simply didn't accurately represent my experience with the game.
Take it to /bsg/ if you want to seek out a discussion and find out why many people view the game as a masterpiece
