>you fell for the nvidia meme
L M A O
How old are you?
>>339582083
>2x
>TWO cards BARELY outperform Nvidia's SINGLE card
l m a o
m
a
o
>>339582128
>not acting like a child sperg online
Brings me back to my youth desu, keeps me feeling young
>wanting two cards in the first place
GTFO ya shitcunt
>>339582083
>2x
Wait are those two cards combined less than $500?
>>339582453
Yes
>>339582083
Nvidia blown the BTFO
>>339582348
And cost 200$ less.
TOPPEST LELKEK
>>339582348
>$400 outperforms $700
L M A O
M
A
O
>>339582348
2x499
>>339582630
no, the 4gb is priced at $199 and the 8gb is priced at '$230+'
>>339582083
>crossfire/sli
no thanks I like stability and being able to play all of my games not just half of them because of issues
>>339582083
>wanting raw power and nothing else, like a moron
>not balancing power with stability like a true patrician
>>339583435
Funny, because 2 AMD 480 (max 140w each) cards run about the same power draw as a nvidia 1080 (250-280w)
>>339582083
>2X
Kek, also add up 1500W PSU.
>>339583559
and work on about half as many games. enjoy your microstutter, too, i guess.
>falling for the sli/crossfire meme
>>339583648
isn't it a 150 watt card?
>>339583654
Enjoy your $700 card. Oh wait. $899 atm
Better image
>51% utilization of two cards
Sup with that? Crossfire can't be that bad
>>339583820
i haven't bought one yet. i'll wait for it to drop in price like a smart person instead of bandwagoning the instant something is released.
single card > sli/crossfire, though. the power vs. stability and compatibility trade-off just isn't worth it.
wow it took 2 of you to kill me :^))
Putting 2 clunky raedon cards instead of 1 1080.
Sure, okay. Why not?
Can somebody please explain the "51% utilization" thing? Does it go for both cards at once or for one at a time? Can I crank it up to 100 and get better performance?
>GTX 1080 - 180W TDP
>RX480 - 150W TDP
>2xRX480
>better efficiency
doubt.jpg
Besides, no one wants the microstutter of crossfire/sli.
>>339584224
crossfire/sli is shit is the explanation
>>339583937
I'll be buying a $200 card upon release, which match the best nvidia card of last gen, still selling for $550.
Wait longer if you want... That's what they want. They make money on adspace for all the sites you'll be visiting in the meantime
>>339584224
Crossfire and sli is bad, not that bad but still bad
the reason they showed the utilization is that it means there's a lot of gpu headroom, performance will increase as things optimize
drivers, games, etc
>>339584370
and i block all of that adspace, so who cares?
>>339582348
>2 low/mid tier cards for $200 less defeat Nvidias enthusiast god tier card
>AMD hasn't even shown their god tier r490x+ stuff yet
you should be worried anon
>Ashes
>Founder's Edition of the 1080 when ones from companies like EVGA are cheaper and can overclock better
>Crossfire that's going to be shit in most games
AMD shills sure are desperate to claim that it's not a dying company.
>>339583890
it means it only used 51% of its power to defeat nvidias full power. You should be worried anon.
>>339584448
Thanks. Will think twice.
>>339584514
RX 480 is the best polaris can offer.
AMD is trying to rush Vega out, but the earliest they can push it out is October.
>>339584554
It's amazing how I can tell that chick is Japanese or Korean from only the tits and lips
>>339584631
If you follow anything about AMD you'd already know they were focused on the low/mid range market and are saving their enthusiast stuff for October yes, why does this matter? We all know Vega will come out and crush Nvidia which Nvidia has panicked and already released these 2 maxwells on speed, what will Nvidia do come October is the question you should be asking.
>>339582083
>2x
>dual gpus
Nah, I'm good thanks. Dual gpu's are cancer.
I'm in the market for a new GPU somewhere next year, so any development in the AMD/Nvidya balance of power can be interesting.
Is AMD just so much better at DX12 or did they use a game Nvidia is shit at for the graph in the OP? Also what is this Polaris Shit I keep hearing about, will Nvidia release something big of their own soon? I really haven't kept track of the GPU market in a while.
>>339584795
>he will willingly pay Nvidia $200 more
top kek I don't know how you guys do it
>>339582083
and yet not a single good game will make use of all that power for 4-5 years.
Vega is coming next year
but they're still going to release a 490/x later
>>339584868
Well paid jobs.
>>339582083
>DirectX 12, so W10
>Crossfire
>AMD drivers
>+4fps
Benchmarked on a fucking Stardock "Planet Annihilation" clone. Lulz.
>Ashes of the Singularity
>TWO cards barely outperform one
>double card setups are notoriously plagued with issues
>this is AMD CROSSFIRE, which as all things AMD is 10x more buggy
AMD is getting desperate, nobody is falling for the meme anymore. Team Red will not exist in a pair of years, and good riddance, maybe someone will actually provide Nvidia with competition then.
>>339584554
who is this cute boy?
>>339584868
whoever provides the best SINGLE CARD option gets my money. if that's amd, then they get my money. but it's always nvidia. it is never ever amd. not once in history.
>>339584554
Post more.
>>339584751
>>339584951
>>339584974
I think it's sarina valentina
>go on the technical support forum of any game
>90% of threads are from people with AMD cards
YOU CAN'T MAKE THESE NUMBERS UP
>>339582450
>>339583156
>>339584301
This.
Whether its SLI or Crossfire, 2x any card is fucking stupid and is nothing but a headache. Drivers mean nothing if the game doesn't have good optimization. Very few games these days are actually optimized for a dual gfx card setup.
You can support Nvidia or AMD, just avoid a dual gfx cards.
>>339582083
>>339584954
Heh so the R9 290 / 390 being a cheaper single GPU and outperforming Nvidia across the board and being worth more money per frame is useless to you I guess?
Whatever I'm done talking to Nvidia Fanboys with no brain.
Yes certain single GPU cards from Nvidia are very good, the GTX 1070 is way more valuable a buy than the overpriced overhyped GTX 1080.
It's not about being poor or having money, it's about not wasting money.
>>339583890
Why would they post their bad GPU utilization on a marketing image using a non-vsync game.
>>339585089
>Very few games these days are actually optimized for a dual gfx card setup.
You're fucking retarded what do you think DX12 is for you mongoloid?
>>339585115
POO IN LOO
>>339585125
>Heh
did not read the rest of your post, sorry
>>339584949
I'm gonna enjoy saving 200 dollars and still beating nvidia preformances.
Cry harder, nvidiot.
>>339585089
Yep. Shitty performance, compatible drivers not available on release, except for a few selected AAA games, stutter, double power consumption and noise.
Nope, double GPU is shitty meme that needs to die
>>339585196
Oh that's fine. That 1080 is a good purchase anon ;)
>Buying maxwell 2.0 with no dx12 support in hardware
wew
>>339582083
>2x AMD cards
How many gigawatts is that setup going to eat?
>>339585257
i haven't bought either of these new meme cards yet, amdtard.
>tfw ati used to be good
Fucking amd cocksuckers
>>339585230
>beating nvidia preformances.
At crying in games' support forums and begging devs not to use gameworks?
>>339585303
300
>>339585230
Enjoy a buggy system unable to play most games.
>>339585325
oh so you just defend nvidia despite not owning their products?
>0.02 cents has been deposited into your account
>>339585423
i have an nvidia card right now, it's just not a 1070 or 1080. i'm not defending either of these cards, i'm attacking sli/crossfire retards who think numbers are the only things that matter.
Bruh, 1 AMD card is problem enough, can you imagine all the shitty glitches that occur from using 2?
>>339585423
>>339585257
>>339585125
>.gifs
>Anime pics
Just stop.
>>339585178
Have fun retard. Enjoy you stuttering, jittering, laggy experience.
Love that low marketshare. With everyone piling to buy the 1080, stores are dying to get rid of the last gen stock.
You can nab a 980 for real cheap. You can get a 390X for even cheaper. I got one for $300.
>>339585593
you frustrated?
>>339585540
bruh, the last 4 nvidia 'gameready' drivers were broken as fuck meanwhile amd has had pretty smooth drivers for awhile now.
>Crossfire
>Ever
Yeah, nah. You can keep it.
>m-muh DX12 that 1% of devs will utilize and optimize
>>339582083
>he fell for the DX12 meme
>>339583890
IDK, but it makes me worried. Like there's some huge flaw with this behind the marketing hype.
>>339584370
>which match the best nvidia card of last gen
Congratulations on living a generation behind the rest of the world because your beloved corporation blows at competition I guess?
so, how does the 490 perform?
>>339585615
We haven't seen the proper 480 benchmarks yet, except for the leak, but I'll laugh my ass off at your sorry ass if it's just as advertised
>DX12
Call me when it's relevant and I might care.
>>339585540
I don't understand the picture. Why is she holding so many cookies?
Apparently the 480 is about $200 msrp, well that's what Linus was told by AMD.
>>339585652
God that's a terrible argument
>m-muh dx11 that 1% of devs will utilize and optimize
>>339585701
The flaw is that the game was run at lower settings than the nvidia benchmark.
>>339585735
DX11 and DX12 are not the same thing, so nice false equivilency right off the bat.
Getting the most of DX12 newest features requires an asinine amount of work on the devs side, and you'll never see any game live up to its potential.
This writing has been on the wall since the DX12 documentation was released.
>>339585648
You have to go back
>>339585650
>the last 4 nvidia 'gameready' drivers
This AGAIN.
No, one was broken, if you installed it you had to use DDU to remove the broken inf that Windows was overwriting or else all future drivers would also have the same issue.
If you ran DDU or didn't use the first driver, the other 3 "broken" ones were fine.
I'll definitely buy a 480 now to tide me over to the enthusiast tier Vega GPU. 200$ is fucking nothing.
>>339585820
>The same thing people said about dx11
>>339585715
Not going to wait another 3 months for the prices to normalize after release. MSRP is always ignored in the first months. Look at the 1080.
>>339585735
DX11 didn't require W10, that's the difference.
>Ashes of the Singularity
Who gives a shit?
>>339585338
Shut up your fag, in a year when Zen and Vega come, it's ALL OVER for Nvidia and Intel, it will eb an AMD only world.
#ZenVega2017
>>339585729
The 4GB version is, the 8GB will be round 250.
>mfw Nvidiacucks are literally losing their minds over this destruction
>2016
>people still wanting a dual gpu setup
>>339585994
...are they?
>tfw Nvidia probably waited to announce the 1050 & 1060 (the ones that would be competing with Polaris this gen) so they could announce more attractive prices after AMD
>AMD is finished and bankrupt again
>>339585715
>if it's just as advertised
Don't worry, just like all AMD hypocrisy the only benches you'll ever see are the AMD partnered Ashes of Singularity.
You drones are going to hold onto that non-game for a century.
>>339585729
More deceptive AMD marketing.
That's the 4GB version, you're paying more if you want VRAM beyond 2012 tier.
But will I be able to finally play The Witcher 3 at rock solid 60 fps with this?
>Titan X Supported Technologies
SLI
CUDA
3D Vision
PhysX
Adaptive VSync
GPU Boost 2.0
G-SYNC
4K
Surround
ShadowWorks
VXGI
MFAA
DSR
DirectX 12
Virtual Reality
Ansel
>GTX 1080 Supported Technologies
SLI
CUDA
3D Vision
PhysX
GPU Boost 2.0
DirectX 12
Virtual Reality
Ansel
How did anyone not notice this?
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-1080/specifications
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-titan-x/specifications
>AMDrones bragging that they can now compete with last generation nvidia cards
Congratulations? I mean if you're a poorfag and live in mediocre PC land it must be nice.
But some of us stopped using 1080p 7 years ago.
>>339585756
The flaw is also the fact that it was created by an incompetent dev that had issues in relationship with Nvidia on an engine that was previously used as a Mantle benchmark. The game also has a huge AMD logo on the official site and officially endorsed by AMD on their site and pretty much every recent marketing image. You can cry all you want about GameWorks drama, but the game is pretty much an AMD equivalent of it. People only used it as an argument about DX11 vs DX12 GPU support, but as more games getting DX12 support even that doesn't work anymore.
>>339586056
I'm not planning on buying AMD without seeing the full sclae benchmarks first
>>339586049
DElETe this!!!!
>>339586128
They're still in, just not being touted anymore. All new Nvidia cards have stuff like VXGI, DSR, MFAA, etc.
>>339582083
>Ashes of the Singularity again
It's all they've got. It's quite sad really.
>>339585994
>amdfaggots jumping around like complete retards after seeing some hand picked benchmarks.
>>339586128
And the GTX 1070 doesn't have any specs listed.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-1070/specifications
>>339584949
>that graph
DELETE THIS! NOW!
>>339585971
Did require switching from xp though
w7 ended up great though, so that's nice
>>339586128
All the things you listed are still part of it, they just aren't marketed anymore because they're now considered a standard instead of a flagship feature.
Just like when the 1100 series comes, Ansel will no longer be listed because it will be standard.
>>339582494
Oh shit might need to buy sempai
>>339586257
>Nvidiots will LITERALLY by a card that doesn't work because it has no specs
>>339582083
>490/x benchmarks aren't even out yet.
>>339586180
1080p 144hz master race here.
FPS > resolution. real Gs know this to be true.
LMAO 2CARDS
>GTX 1080 with a score of 5100
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/d80e73ae-e7ed-46e9-9b73-551276ac8a16
>2x 480 with a score of 5000
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/ac88258f-4541-408e-8234-f9e96febe303
AMD literally cherrypicking scores to make the 1080 look worse.
>>339586382
can't wait for 240hz panels
>>339582083
>2 cards just to beat one
There's no catch here at all, nope. I think i'll wait for more benchmarks.
>>339585729
>companies don't lie
>Shillnus
IF HE SAYS IT, IT MUST BE TRUE
>>339582083
>DirectX 12
>>339586128
Because they're rolled into the "Standard Platform" features and are no longer part of the "Flagship Features" list. This has been standard for their marketing material forever.
For example how if you go back to the 700 series you'll see FXAA as a supported technology or the 600 series you'll see TXAA as a supported feature and now neither of those are listed on the Titan/1080 but they both still work on them.
>>339586452
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AMDFAGS BTFO YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
AMD UP AGAINST THE WALL, DESPERATE
>ATi cucks are so desperate they're citing unreliable bench tests to score any kind of points
>because their buyers remorse is so hardcore that they'd have a mental breakdown if they stopped tricking themselves for a second
There's a reason noone buys ati cards anymore.
I remember having a 9800 over a decade ago and that was only cool because it had filters that made half life 1 look like the matrix.
>>339586246
>AMD sponsored game used for AMD benchmarks
But remember, it's play when AMD does it. But if you show a gameworks game in an nvidia benchmark, lord save you from the AMDrone crusade.
>>339586406
That takes me back
LEL, nvidiashills are getting btfo in here and Im not a PCuck.
>>339586645
The difference being that nvidia can optimize for it
amd literally can't optimize for gameworks because it's closed source and nvidia doesn't allow it
>>339586645
That's why DOOM was hilarious.
>>339586621
>There's a reason noone buys ati cards anymore.
Mainly because they don't exist.
>>339582083
Ashes of singularity is a fucking game sponsored by AMD, you silly anon. AMD spent money to make sure the game is dman well optimized for their card and it notably run like shit otherwise. It would be like benchmarking Nvidia against AMD on a game with all gameworks option enabled, that's downright ridiculous.
In other benchmark (e.g. firestrike, the two amd performs worst than the 1080.
>>339586720
How can Nvidia optimize for it?
>970 3.5gb meme card owners getting BTFO by a $200 card
Buyer's remorse general
>>339586621
The only reason NVIDIA is selling more is because they're pumping all their money into marketing and ricer shit to appeal to the 13 year old COD razer gaymer.
Anyone with half a brain would avoid them and their cancerous fuck-ups and business practices.
>>339586794
>It would be like benchmarking Nvidia against AMD on a game with all gameworks option enabled
It's okay when AMD does it.
Actually their duals cards lose the benchmark against a 1080, they're just lying as usual, check out the actually scores straight from Ashes website
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/d80e73ae-e7ed-46e9-9b73-551276ac8a16
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/ac88258f-4541-408e-8234-f9e96febe303
>>339586720
Even nvidia's cards run like a turd on gimpworks. Meanwhile every AMD game has been running flawlessly.
>>339586872
>makes better cards
>has better drivers
>has bigger range
>advancing technology
B-B-BUT IT'S ALL MARKETING.
>>339586872
>Anyone with half a brain would avoid them and their cancerous fuck-ups and business practices.
You're right, it does take half a brain to buy AMD products.
>>339586043
nah
7870 in crossfire can beat out a 1st gen Titan for less than 1/3 the cost and nobody lost their minds
>>339586841
>overperforming a 2 year old card
Good job AMD, at least you achieved something
>>339586838
How can they not?
It doesn't use any closed source amd technologies (doesn't even exist)
The biggest problem for nvidia being that THEY DON'T HAVE A NATIVE DX12 CARD
>>339582083
Yeah but how well do 2x1080's go?
>>339586720
>nvidia can optimize for it
too bad they never do
>>339587012
Driver side optimizations hardly a substitute for engine and game optimizations done by the dev. I don't recall Nvidia sending their people to Stardock, nor do I think Stardock will let them in
>>339585894
>No, one was broken, if you installed it you had to use DDU to remove the broken inf that Windows was overwriting or else all future drivers would also have the same issue.
>If you ran DDU or didn't use the first driver, the other 3 "broken" ones were fine.
How come amd users never have to do all this bullshit? It just werks.
>>339584564
But wait, if it's 2 cards running at 50%, would that translate to 1 card at 100%?
>>339587131
No, it means they turned settings down so the cards we being under utilized.
>>339585704
Actually I'm not. I'm living in the "$200 gets you the best mid tier card" generation, over and over again
>>339587131
It also translates to the card not killing itself and will last much longer than the 1 nvidia card running at near 100%.
>>339586965
>Makes better cards
slightly better for a higher price which get the shit gimped out of them in a year or so
>better drivers
outdated meme
>bigger range
as in? more cards? Not really. AMD dominates the mid-range market, NVIDIA only has the 980ti and Titan that are faster.
>Advancing tech
So does AMD, only they open-source it, NVIDIA don't because they want a monopoly.
>>339584863
Polaris is AMD's new architecture. Nvidia's is Pascal.
AMD's are currently named after stars, Nvidia's are named after scientists.
Both are the first GPU's to get a die shrink since 2011, meaning a significant boost in performance and power consumption for the same cost.
>>339582083
>everyone pretending ashes means fucking shit
Good to know AMD has a game. Good for them.
>>339586841
I'm pretty sure the 970 was already getting btfo by the 390 way before these newly announced cards.
And even worse, anyone who brought one was jewed out of ram from nvidia themselves.
SLI/Crossfire is dumb. Even dumber for budget cards, just wait for the 490 or new Fury and see what the benchmarks are.
>>339584247
Rx 200 tdp is max 150 75 pin +75w pcie slot
1080 tdp is average, max can go up to 200w+ easily
Rx average would be around 110-130w
>>339587110
I already said it, they don't have dx12
The gtx 1080 would be much better if it did
They can still optimize for it though and unless stardock is owned by amd and even then I still think they would let a nvidia engineer work with them to optimize the game
as nvidia optimized for tressfx and iirc beat amd at tressfx now, still don't let amd optimize hairitjustworksTM
>>339584863
Ashes of the Singularity is notable for being one of the few games where AMD blew the fuck out of Nvidia, which is why it's always used in benchmarks. While previous gen AMD is better at DX12 than previous gen Nvidia, most games are more balanced.
>>339582083
>sli and crossfire
fucking kek
you fell for the real meme friend
>AMD outperforms NVidia
>as long as you nevermind that they're counting the cheapest pricing for the best variant of 2 of their cards vs the highest priced variant of 1 of NVidias cards
>that means crossfire/SLI
>that means dealing with those retarded shitshows
>that means dealing with barely any games actually benefiting from it, let alone actually using it
Cmon AMD, I like that you want to be the cheaper and more open option. I really do. It goes right against NVidias "lets just cram it full of shit" scam cards. But this is just pathetic.
>>339587348
>they don't have dx12
They don't have DX12 what?
>They can still optimize for it though and unless stardock is owned by amd and even then I still think they would let a nvidia engineer work with them to optimize the game
That's the issue: I don't trust stardock. Their benchmark is the only one so far that shows such drastic differences between DX11 and 12 between the different cards. Hitman that doesn't use Gameworks tells another story. What if the dev is actually incompetent? I know, it's hard to believe that fucking Stardock is awful at optimizations, but what if they just are?
Plus I don't trust Nitrous engine either
>as nvidia optimized for tressfx and iirc beat amd at tressfx now
Pretty sure the tech was mostly optimized by the studio that made TR
All this fucking shitflinging amd vs nvidia cardwars when all we need to do is wait for benchmarks.
THEY DO IT FOR HOTPOCKETS.
>AMD thread
>AMDfags calling anyone who disagrees with them shills
Every single time. Go into any 4chan thread or Digital Foundry video and it's full of people screaming shills. There's literally something wrong with people who own AMD.
>>339584631
Because vega is likely using HMB2 so it's worth the wait
Enjoy shitty GDDR5 on the 1080 shows how much nvidia gives a shit about you retards
>>339588028
>just wait for the Fury X it has HBM and it will totally destroy Nvidia the shits haha AMD wins again
>10% slower on average, needs a waterblock and a nuclear reactor to run
I wonder what will happen with Vega.
>>339585991
$229.99 for 8GB
>>339587714
Nvidias dx12 is done through software, not hardware
Which is going to be a problem going forward
As for not trusting them, that's on you, can't really comment on that
TressFX though, you can look at old benchmark of Tomb raider when that first came out and then look at a newer one, you'll see what driver optimization can do
>>339587984
Everyone is shills shilling shills shilling shills
>>339587984
It's a cult anon.
>>339587984
>not being a shill
why are you even here?
>>339582348
>Selectively ignoring the total cost of the cards
>>339587984
>Implying there isn't something wrong with people who own cuckvidia
Anyone know how this compares to a 1070? I don't care about the enthusiast range if I can get that performance but cheaper I'm happy.
>>339587697
i agree with you on some points but
>as long as you nevermind that they're counting the cheapest pricing for the best variant of 2 of their cards vs the highest priced variant of 1 of NVidias cards
that is a good thing, no?
2 ultra cheap cards can beat a 1080, at a lower price total than the 1080, isn't that a good thing for amd?
think if 2 960's had better perfomance than a single 980ti, would you still buy the 980 or go for the cheaper alternative with higher perfomance?
>>339588321
>if 2 960's had better perfomance than a single 980ti
but they do
doesn't matter
2 cards is a hassle
>>339587984
Go to any 4chan thread about AMD and you see a shit tons of people who say Nvidia is better.
>ashes of the singularity
lol
>>339586182
It's the only game out there that was made with dx12 from the ground up so why the fuck wouldn't they use it for marketing
And their "issues" with nvidia is them refusing to remove graphic options that nvidia cards have trouble running
>>339588420
That's how we know the cards will be underwhelming.
The only published benchmarks are AMD produced and in their own marketing tool masquerading as a game.
>>339588321
The problem is you should never trust benchmarks by the manufacturer, especially AMD, they pull this shit all the time. Even AMD owners have called them out for using shitty benchmarks to market their cards.
where were you when AMD won the GPU war of 2016?
>>339588162
All apis are done through software because it requires your cpu to compile to machine. Only vulkin is straight to metal or at least pretty close
>>339588383
http://www.ocaholic.co.uk/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=3890&page=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB3ecJi58jM
i dunno mate
>>339588568
they won't win it until they release Vega in 4Q
We're running the games on the same settings, we swear!
>>339587984
>>339588405
Funny, because if you go to GPU discussions on /g/ you'll find most people find AMD the better choice.
Maybe it's because that board is less full of retarded RICER GAYMURR fags.
>>339582083
>2x
Great meme CrossFireX drivers are a joke
>>339588507
well, yeah, that's a given, but if this is proven to be true across more games, and not just from AMD themselves, surely this would be a fantastic deal?
I am gonna wait and see what happens with the cards, but I really hope this is true across more games than just a AMD certified game
a man can dream atleast
>>339586720
You don't need to source code of the game to optimise drivers for it. AMD and Nvidia do this all the time with their drivers, sometimes with the developers help, sometimes without.
There is nothing stopping AMD from sending an engineer to a game dev to help optimise their game.
But there are also numerous analysis and debug tools that will show what's going on with a game's graphics pipeline.
>>339588620
Classic AMD.
>captcha: construction machinery
>>339588638
AMD plays better with linux so it's no surprise that /g/ prefers them
>>339588771
>AMD plays better with linux
Joke of the century.
>>339588638
/g/ is literally an AMD hugbox, they nonstop shill Zen despite barely any info being out. Muh Jim Keller, muh Haswell performance. Also it's interesting /g/ likes AMD considering AMD cards have generally run like garbage on Linux compared to Nvidia's proprietary ones.
Nvidia astroturfers are gonna be working overtime for the next six months it seems.
>>339588605
Sure, but you still need hardware that supports it
a dx9 card can't run dx11 for example
dx12 is kinda different but the main thing here is async compute, nvidia just can't do it and they keep delaying their "async compute driver"
>>339588736
You're both right and wrong
They literally can't do anything about gameworks in e.g. the witcher 3, the devs, cdpr that is, can't do anything either
They can optimize for everything else in the game though
>>339582083
http://imgur.com/a/pyC3r
TWO cards on LOW can barely beat a single card on ultra.
That's not something I would brag about...
>>339582083
Lets say you keep your rig for a year and you're at your computer for 8 hours out of the day every day.
That's 8 hours * 365.25 days a year = 2922 hours per year.
A difference of 120 W means you're going to be toting an extra 350640 W-hrs, which is 350 kW-hrs per year. Lets say you're paying electricity at 15 cents per kW-hr.
Per year, you've paid an extra $52.60 in electricity, but you paid a difference of $200-$300, so your profit is still $147.40-$247.40.
But let's say you're completely garbagio and have your computer on for 16 hours a day, no employment, no responsibilities, no life outside of Runescape.
Your energy costs jump up to $105.18 per year, making your total gain in buying the two cards $94.81 - $194.81.
In the end, it all depends on what price you assign to the difference in quality of both cards.
I've provided my spreadsheet if anyone wants to do their own analysis.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vsCbuPid50F8qRIUWrYYO84RpSvF4EU3TvaXgIWQMFk/copy
>>339589116
Bad habit from stackexchange, adding an extra space after each line.
Sorry about that, guys.
>GPU wars
Fucking b&s. Why don't you all justbuy whatever works best for you?
>>339589109
The main difference I notice is that the gtx 1080 doesn't have as much snow
>>339589109
When I was watching it seemed like the one on the right looked better. Weird.
Not excusing this or something, just saying.
So any word on the 490/490X?
>>339589194We don't know what's best for us.
>>339589116
It's even about electricity prices. There's no fucking way I'm dealing with the noise from two GPU coolers in my room.
>>339589197
>>339589223
It's confirmed for low settings, some anon here did a detailed comparison earlier.
>>339589301
Those will probably drop in sometime in October
>>339589116
Are silver/gold PSUs worth the investment in the long run?
>>339589194
Fucking marketer shills drones
Tell me what is better so i can call the other party shit or fuck back to EA
>>339588321
The point isn't that buying 2 cheap cards to beat 1 expensive cards is a good thing, it's the fact that it's a misleading marketing strategy.
A regular run of the mill 1080 is 600$ and has 8gb of VRAM. A regular run of the mill RX480 is 200$ and has 4gb of VRAM. Plus taxes and blah blah blah AMD is still cheaper. But AMD has definitely stretched that gap as big as possible for the press release. Because that means if you're going to buy 2 of 1 card to outperform just a single card, that not only means you're trying to peddle as much as your product as possible and as cheaply as you can. But it also means if that's the route you want to go then you're going to have to do a Crossfire/SLI build. And doing a PC build meant to handle crossfire/SLI is a pretty different animal than just utilizing 1 card for sure. If you're smart it won't add on that much extra. But for good quality parts that will last a while in a Crossfire/SLI build it's going to narrow that gap pretty quick. Especially since AMD is known to pretty much tack on extra shit just to get their cards to perform such as water cooling blocks and jet engine fans.
If you thought Nvidia SLI was poorly implemented, wait till you see AMD Crossfire. Never ending stutters no matter what you do.
>>339582083
>Falling for the 2xgpu meme
I needed a good laugh today
>>339589345
Okay.. post that then?
you're basically making a my uncle works at Nintendo post
>>339589474
>Tell me what is better
AMD for price/performance
Nvidia for overall performance
>>339589396
From wikipedia,
>The efficiency of a computer power supply is its output power divided by its input power; the remaining input power is converted into heat. For instance, a 600-watt power supply with 60% efficiency running at full load would draw 1000 W from the mains and would therefore waste 400 W as heat. On the other hand, a 600-watt power supply with 80% efficiency running at full load would draw 750 W from the mains and would therefore waste only 150 W as heat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus
>>339582083
Don't crossfire/sli generally have shitty support though?
>>339589604
I don't save copy pasta.
That said: it's evident in the link I posted. If you can't see it you're blind.
>>339589116
>TDP means power consumption
Unless you're crunching numbers all day every day your cards will be idling most of the time and your numbers are useless.
>>339589646
yes
generally
>>339582083
The benchmark they are using is Ashes of the Singularity which is
1. A bad game
2. Very poor performing
3. An outlier in performance measurements, comparative results are inconsistent to every other game.
>>339589512
RX480 has a 8gb VRAM version for $230.
>>339589646
Yes, though it seems to be getting better. Especially for DX12 and shit. The focus seems to be going from it being implemented by AMD/Nvidia to the devs of the game.
>>339589708
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4lz6ay/anyone_else_noticed_this_at_the_amd_livestream/d3rc5hv
>>339589617
Thanks
>>339582587
And draw twice the power
>>339589396
I'll make a sheet for it and get back to you.
>>339589748
Someone doesn't get the reason behind the average number of hours. I'm assuming someone's going hard in something other than a Korean MMO for all those hours.
With a better estimate of how often your card is running per day, you use that instead of 8 and 16.
>>339586382
Fucking this bro
>>339586458
Are we able to see the difference between 144 and 240 fps?
>>339582083
>dual cards
I fell for this meme once. Never again.
>>339588638
>Maybe it's because that board is less full of retarded RICER GAYMURR fags.
/g/ is a shitshow full of autists ricing their desktop with anime shit and people shilling Mac because they gave up on the year of the Linux desktop. because hey, a locked-down OS filled with stolen BSD code is automatically better because muh Unix, right?
>>339589810
>that damage control in the thread
>>339590058
>shitshow full of autists ricing their desktop with anime shit and people shilling
>>339589927
>thinking they even factor that in
Mommy pays the electric bills, I bet they don't even realize that their computer causes an increase in the power bill.
>>339589116
>max is 100~ dollers a year at a very high 15c
I pay 11c. Its pretty fucking negligible, cents a day.
>>339590231
That was likely an exaggerated estimate to show how that even in the worst humanly possible case, owning the second setup wouldn't have a negative fiscal impact within a year.
>>339585079
this
>>339590153
Fair enough, I'm just saying jest because /g/ isn't gaymer-oriented doesn't mean the board isn't awful in other ways..
>>339590348
Oh, i understand. It's nice somebody went through the effort to show the effect though.
>199$
50$ cooler 50$ pcb made in near toilet or a street + assembly 20$ = 120$
selling it for 199$ to the poorfag masses while lying during unconfirmed benchmarks in their cherrypicked dx12 performance
the tears when official benchmarks are out will be just amazing
I'm somewhat computer illiterate but I have a lot of money saved up, and I'm going to have my friend help me build a new PC which includes the nvidia 1080. Is there any point in dual-wielding the thing? My goal is to play new games on the highest possible setting while keeping a steady frame rate.
>>339590564
>dual-wielding
>>339590564
go for afermarket gtx 1080 from evga sc version or asus strix oc
this polaris card is a fucking joke and most likely wont even beat the 1060 Ti when benchmarks show up
availability is 29th... literally mid 2016 and bringing up shit like this is just pathetic from AMD
>>339590564
>Is there any point in dual-wielding the thing?
no
>>339590831
>asus strix oc
no
http://www.overclock.net/t/1601662/various-asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-offers-poor-overclocking
>>339590564
>highest possible setting
Are you one of those retard who still complain when using completely useless settings (such as the Witcher's ubersampling or overkill amount of tesselation) which will tank your framerate inevitably despite the fortune you spend?
A single card will be enough.
>>339590395
>>339588771
>>339588842
>Muh Linux
So you'd think they'd prefer NVIDIA over AMD because NVIDIA have much better drivers for Linux and shit, but AMD is still the favoured brand on /g/.
I truly believe there are less tech illiterate retards on there than on /v/, hence the amount of NVIDIA shilling on /v/. It's a stark contrast.
>>339585648
You weaboos are cancer
>>339591058
The reddit is strong in this post.
>>339590947
The strix is already factory OCd whats your point ocing it again ? Are you literally retarded ? Its designed to run at stable oc from asus.
>mfw I bought 380X a week ago
>SLI
No thank you, show a single card please
>>339591058
>>339591058
I agree, but look where you are m8.
Why do you waste your time on them? You're on the internet, it's easy to ignore them.
>>339591216
>>SLI
It's not SLI though.
>>339591269
Is not even a Crossfire.
Its DX12 own MultiGPU api.
>>339591136
>Its designed to run at stable oc from asus
and it couldn't even do that
maybe read the article next time
"The so-called Extreme overclocking (2050+ MHz) on STRIX GTX 1080 is poor. All cards are locked to 1.25V maximum, and when the voltage gets close this value, card become unstable."
>>339584370
>They make money on adspace
do people who dont use adblock even exist?
