9 months later, we can all agree that this game is a bit preachy but otherwise very good, right?
Below average rpg maker game.
>>339563284
But it isn't an RPG Maker game, and it's better than most RPG Maker games
>A bit preachy
Lol
The game was fun but "a bit" doesn't even begin to describe it.
>>339563284
first post is always right
I love the game, but I feel like the "feels" in the Asriel fight are super forced. I did not care about him at all, and it really surprises me that people remember his fight so fondly. Asgore fight was the best
>>339563345
Explain
>>339563507
>If you kill anyone for any reason the game treats you like trash
>Self defense is not justifable
I know some of the monsters are just clueless but many of them blatantly want you dead.
Then there was all that lame power of friendship stuff. I literally met those fuckers like an hour ago. We're not even close to being friends for life yet. Even Flowey had that lame "you'll never see any of your cool new friends again :(" line as if it mattered that much.
I'm sure there's other stuff but I haven't played the game in months and I'm drawing a blank.
>>339563343
>game maker studio
lmao even worse
>>339564165
>I know some of the monsters are just clueless but many of them blatantly want you dead.
It's really just Undyne, Asgore, and Muffet, and in Asgore's case I'm pretty sure he's hopping you'll kill him more then the other way around
>>339563092
Preachy as fuck, horrible fanbase, non-existent depth, but I really did enjoy that first playthrough of mine.
>>339565282
You're forgetting the knights, Doggo, the dog couple, Temmie if you make her mad, Mettaton, Mad Dummy, every enemy in the core, and possibly a few others.
>>339563092
It's like Spec Ops the Line.
It's central message is delivered in a shitty manner and isn't that deep in the first place, but the game is nevertheless kinda enjoyable one-run experience.
>>339565726
I'll give you everyone else, but Doggo is just a blind old man.
Which is almost worse, since he just sorta attacked the first thing that walked in front of him
The interspecies lesbo shit turned me off.
>>339565853
>Guy that randomly attacks someone if he thinks they're nearby, with the intent of "making sure they never move again"
>Killing him is bad
>>339566051
I for one think that was the single redeeming quality of the game.
>>339563092
This is factually the best game that ever came out, go back to your shitty weeb trash or overshill faggots
>9 months later
what the FUCK
>>339566292
I know right.
I though it was like two years already.
>>339565813
At least unlike Spec ops, you have three different endings and the game doesn't force your hand on doing the wrong thing
You either wonder what the fuck is going on and drop it thinking Asgor's the last boss, get Asriel's true ending or go pay a visit to sans after killing everyone, and then you get shoved a Spec Op if you play again after Genocide
It's a was a fun game, but I'm surprised on how much praise it's got.Honestly, that's just prove anyone can make a game as long as they have pandering characters.
>>339563469
Noscope Flowey was a much better final boss than Asriel. It incorporated the fallen children theme in a much more interesting way that tied the whole battle together. I also loved how the "battlefield" was basically one big enemy attack box. The only bad thing about it is that it was stupidly easy.
Other than that, it served as a much stronger conclusion to the game than the faux-feels bullcrap that came from Asriel's fight.
I didn't feel like it was preachy at all. The fanbase might try to see things that aren't there to further their SJW agendas, but the fanbase is the worst thing about the game. Overall a really great game.
>>339566182
>Posting bad fishlizard art
>that gives Undyne a fucking nose
If you're going to be a numale cuck at least be one with taste.
>>339564165
>Self defense is not justifable
Havent played it in a while but I'm fairly certain that no one actually expects you to get the pacifist end on the first playthrough.
>>339564165
>>If you kill anyone for any reason the game treats you like trash
To be fair, the people telling you this are pretty biased. Imagine your people have been trapped in Detroit for centuries, and the key to your freedom walked in. You need to kill them to get out. Well, said key to your freedom killed your girlfriend/best friend/brother/dumb baby children who didn't even know what was going on. You'd be pretty pissed right? It's very in character for them to call you evil.
Hell, if you only did it to those "justified" fights that'd put you at, what, LV 5? Even then Sans at the end says self defense was a factor. Unless you killed Pap that is.
>>339566979
They do, actually. Certain fans of the game get actively mad at you if you kill anyone.
>>339566979
Torial is kinda set up for you to kill her first time around.
>>339566659
>numale
Literally since antiquity men have enjoyed watching two chicks getting it on.
>>339567115
Fans do. The game doesn't. I'm 99% certain you're "supposed" to kill Torial on your first playthrough, considering the stinger that happens with Flowey if you reset afterwards.
Toby never expected the game to get as huge as it did. He probably would have done things a bit differently if he did
I was just craving more flowery interaction the whole playthrough.
He fucking made this game.
>>339567376
He's got extra dialog if you do the neutral route over and over
>>339566182
You would like it, wouldn't you
>>339563345
Yeah it wasn't preachy at all.
>>339566067
He was supposed to be guarding that area and the human was an intruder. It's not like he tries to kill everyone, it's like complaining that a security guard tries to take down an intruder.
>>339564165
>If you kill anyone for any reason the game treats you like trash
>Self defense is not justifable
Where the fuck did you get this? The only ending where people get pissy is genocide.
>>339567754
I think he's angry that Undyne gets pissy if Papyrus is killed
>>339567376
>Going through Genocide mode
>"You and I are different from the rest, Anon. There are people that want to see others get hurt, but would never go through all of this like we did!"
>"Boy, i bet some people like this are watching right now."
>Mfw as I respond "Nope, just you and I, Flowey"
>>339567835
>kill person's friend
>they get pissy
Gee I wonder why
>>339567206
they literally never did
>>339567859
>No ending where you and flowey be best bros on the surface
God damnit Toby.
>>339567376
Same here.
I had been expecting him to judge your progress over the course of the game, but then he ended up just silently stalking you until the ending. The demo mislead me.
>>339567835
I think Undyne was the only boss I killed on my first playthrough. She legit seemed like she couldnt be redeemed so I wasted the bitch.
>>339568054
There's a bit in Waterfall where he taunts you through an Echo Flower
But yeah, I agree. Little guy doesn't get nearly enough screen time
>>339568008
Toby could have ameliorated that part instead of making Flowey go full pussy mode.
>>339568008
this holy shit
>kill everyone you want on the surface
>make your own harem
>flowey gets all the dandelion and sunflower pussy he wants
>>339568008
>No version of the genocide run where you don't betray him/he doesn't pussy out on you
DLC WHEN
>>339563469
>>339566520
Seconded. I feel like Asriel could've been left out entirely as a character.
>>339568294
>Genocide
>Where you don't commit complete genocide
>asgore didn't use the souls
That boss couldn've been so rad. Hard mode when?
I wish Undertale was an undiscovered gem, the fandom ruined it for potential newcomers.
>>339568054
This. Instead we got sans popping up at the very end saying his speech while we barely see his ass
Least his fight was fun as fuck with actual challenge unlike Flowey/Asriel
>>339568403
>>339568294
>People asking if they can do full genocide without killing Papyrus
>>339567859
I didn't want to do a genocide run, the true ending made me feel so good I didn't want to let go of that feeling.
But looking back now, although genocide would have been a mentally painful experience, it also would have been a thought provoking experience that I would remember for years.
I'm kinda bummed I spoiled myself by watching a playthrough of genocide, and the game fucking knew!
That line you quoted was meant to speak out to the viewers of lets players, even when I wasn't playing the damn game, flowery still found a way to fuck with me in person.
Say what you fags want about Undertale, the interaction between Flowey and the player is amazing.
>>339568410
So did nobody tell Asgore what was going on in a Genocide run? That guy's been through a war man, he should know how terrible humans can be. But no, he just walked right up to the undergrounds Grim Reaper and tried to have a tea party
>>339568403
I honestly only did that run so I could be murderbuddies with flowey
>>339563092
It wasn't visually impressive for a retro game (look at broforce, ftl, shovel knight, papers please)
The story was mediocre
the gameplay was bland and repetitive
the only thing that's good about it is the fact that it feels like there was a lot of work put into it.
overall i'd give it a 5/10
Can we all agree?
Asgore > Omega Flowey > Sans > Asriel
Game is way better if you understand Chara's actual purpose and motivations, too bad it takes a fuckton of analysis to really get the point.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160526023417/http://thefloweryfanclub.tumblr.com/post/143284030397/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this
Apparently this person deleted the post so here's the archived thing
>>339568585
>I lose my fucking mind at 4th wall breaking
You sound certifiably retarded.
>>339568585
Really, if Undertale instead became one of those lesser known gems it sounds almost exactly like a spoopy cursed videogame creepypasta
>Game talks directly to the player
>Photorealistic bosses
>Game mode where the main character kills everyone in the game and literally stabs the game itself to death to the point where you can't play it anymore
>>339568585
That's why i laughed like shit and said that line, Anon. I had buddies that tried to spoil me the game by saying i shouldn't kill anyone, but i told them to fuck off in my own way and i killed people anyway. Felt just right to do that instead of "Oh, it's a game i must not kill anyone." That's not the point of the game, but at least I didn't get spoiled at all for all the amazing shit that happens next.
And i know what you meant for Genocide. I took a break after getting the true Ending, but i also wanted more Undertale. I started killing everyone bit by bit, and while i do felt bad, the two good fights there is for that run is exactly what i miss in vidya. It's been a long time since i last played a boss that required trial and error in that way.
Toby knew his shit
>>339568658
>looking all sad and shit
>fly's to the right
>pulls out spear
>cape flowing and shit
>fucks up the mercy button
>theme starts
>mfw
>>339563092
That's actually a good way to describe the game preachy up it's own ass, but still enjoyable.
>>339568585
>mentally painful experience
Go get some friends.
>>339568853
It's not just the 4th wall, it's the way it's delivered, the choice of words are really purposeful, floweys monologues are great.
I saw Deadpool and that movie's 4th wall breaking wasn't amusing at all because it was delivered like shit, it's just "hey, I'm breaking the 4th wall right now, please laugh now!"
>>339568864
Pretty sure Asriel, with the mind of a kid, was influenced by a bunch of stuff he would find badass or creepy that he could use in his final forms.
His edgy evil persona in Flowey was trying to scare you, so he tried what he knew, creepypasta shit. Game closes randomly, the save file is his, erasing of files and abusing save states to win, and uses HYPERREALISM to contrast everything.
Then as actual Asriel he turns into an edgy deviantart OC because that's what he'd consider badass as a 10 or 11 year old. He's got the cocky head shaking, the stupid attack names, the HUAH HUAH HUAH laugh when he swallows the world, and "THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM."
Nope, it was trash.
>>339569094
Yeah seriously, I was singing songs about killing everything by the time i got to Hotlands
>We will never get a prequal about the other 7 fallen humans
It really hurts
>>339569292
One of the kickstarter goals was a second undertale game or a comic series
>>339569032
The whole fact that you can only get a true ending without killing anyone is retarded.
You can't fucking play the game blind because you'll get half of the content, but you can't not play it blind because that will ruin the experience.
That's how it became popular. People have to know the gimmick when they play it. The gimmick isn't taught to players in the game, meaning friends have to tell their friends about the gimmick.
In 100 years some shithead is going to boot the game up, play it for 2 hrs, finish it, and ask "why was this so popular", and never play it again because no one was around to say "don't kill anyone and see what happens :3"
>>339569164
>Ladies, let me tell you a love story
>A hour of love story with no action
T-Thanks deadpool
>>339569391
Even then, the comic won't be canon.
>>339569630
...why not? Toby's the one writing it
>>339569428
none of this will be remembered in 100 years.
>>339569292
I want to know how all the humans died and why some of the items have cryptic attributes. Was the ballerina really powerful and destructive, so that's why the tutu has dust, or is it just because it's been in a cave?
Is the gun empty because the cowboy kid shot at things or was it empty already?
Did all the humans have different attributes based on their heart color that gave them powers? After all, the Flag game says this:
Cyan = Patience
Orange = Bravery
Blue = Integrity
Purple = Perseverance
Green = Kindness
Yellow = Bravery
Red = Determination
Does each color symbolize each human's main trait? Did each one use the save and reload mechanic?
>>339569732
We'll be dead in 100 years, and maybe earth won't exist by then if a meteor strikes or something else.
>>339566520
>The only bad thing about it is that it was stupidly easy.
My biggest complaint about that boss besides the-power-of-friendship was that the easiness of the fight plus the weird way that damage scaled down the less HP you had made it feel like it was LITERALLY impossible to die. It cheapened the experience to me because mid way through the fight I realized (read: mistook) the fight to be impossible to lose.Imagine my fucking disappointment in the true pacifist run when you were ACTUALLY in an impossible to lose fight
>>339569428
Asrial needed the souls of every monster in the underground to get the equivalent Soul Power of that seventh human soul so he could go God Mode. How the fuck is he gonna do that if you go around killing his power source?
>>339569852
in a 100 years there will already be hundreds of other Undertales
>>339569869
But if you're playing it blind you wouldn't know that until it was too late, fag.
>>339569831
>I want to know how all the humans died
Toby confirmed on Twitter that each soul met it's end at Asgore. I believe the words were "They made it TO Asgore, not PAST Asgore"
>Was the ballerina really powerful and destructive, so that's why the tutu has dust, or is it just because it's been in a cave?
I doubt it was dusty because it was in a cave. It was in Waterfall. It'd be way too damp for dust to collect normally.
>Did each one use the save and reload mechanic?
I wanna say yes, simply because Asgore seems aware that he's able to kill you more than once
pls put spoiler tags you guys
still in the process of beating this game.
I ain't arsed to figure out how to beat Mettaton in pacifist, though
>>339569856
I get the feeling the fight was originally a lot harder then Toby decided he didn't want people to get frustrated with it.
>>339563469
The Asriel fight is pretty silly from a plot perspective and is easy as shit compared to Omega Flowey and Sans but it's carried by how fucking flashy the whole thing is. It has great presentation that gets you caught up in the moment, and the ending you receive for doing it is much better than the phone call one.
Revisiting all the old boss battles was cute too.
>all the humans were children
when will this meme end?
>>339563092
The music is kickass, game wouldn't be nearly as good without the stellar tunez.
Ghost Fight is when I first noticed that the music was actually really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz1bfhtKsHM
>>339570195
Well all their clothes fit Frisk pretty well. So I guess that only leaves Orange
>>339570145
IIRC the menu bones in Sans' Fight were actually able to kill you, but it was found to be too unfair.
>>339569094
I feel like the message of the genocide run could have been better.
Instead of just "though shalt not kill" it should have been about accepting fiction isn't real or something like that.
But I guess that contradicts Undyne's whole "anime is real" mentality.
>>339570195
Torial straight up says they were all children. Not to mention all the coffins at the end are the same size
>>339570145
I never got to see this game over screen untilI watched a Lets Playof fuckingGame Grumps. I get that Barry is on a show where everyone else is worse at video games than he is, but the fact that he died repeatedly to omega flowey is sad, even my casual friend only died once
>>339570097
Just don't attack him and get the ratings higher, it's not that hard. A lot of people actually try to kill him and accidentally "spare" him because his arms and legs fall off so they think he died. If you don't get EXP, you're good to go.
>>339570291
Asriel himself says that not everything can be resolved peacefully, as well as "Don't kill, and don't get killed" or something like that.
>>339570291
The Genocide runs a cheap novelty anyway. It feels like it's only there for the two bonus bosses and to justify a plotline where the player actively grinds and kills everyone, since there's no way the main story would work in that scenario.
Chara as a whole was terribly written and the game works better if you ignore his role in Genocide.
>>339570097
Get high ratings.
>>339563469
I 100% agree with this. Who gives a shit about some edgy teen goat?
>>339570374
I kept a spare save and redid the fight because I wanted to see what'd happen. After seeing how long it takes to die I really don't get how people actually lose.
>>339563092
gameplay sucks shit through a straw and thats all i care about in a game
>>339570291
There's no "lesson" to genocide. It's taking the concept of Grinding and taking it at face value. Someone going out and slaughtering everything in their path just for the sake of watching the numbers go up.
And if you think Toby set up a route where you hunt down every last living creature you can find and have THAT route have the lesson "You shouldn't kill people" you should probably analyze a more straightforward game
>>339568808
Huh, this is actually making a fuckton of sense, I never heard of the Chara is the Narrator theory and this has a lot of stuff backing it up. Thanks anon, this is good reading.
>>339570571
Basically, you have to actively not give a shit or run into everything on purpose.
>>339570468
Chara isn't the leader of Genocide. They're the student. Chara straight up says they learned their genocidal tendencies from you.
>>339570663
That's bullshit because we know from Asriel's backstory that he was always a shit eater.
And the player meta stuff going on with him is way less interesting than how it was handled with Flowey anyway.
>>339570571
People definitely die at the beginning attack because it catches them off guard and is a longer sequence than the rest of the battle, three sets of six measures of the battle music rather than 2 for the rest of the in-between segments.
>>339570291
Wasn't the point of genocide to explore player choice? I know they throw in some "killing is bad" but the final scene has Chara explaining that playing a game to "watch a number increase" i.e. skinner box is satisfying. I assume Toby expected people to accidently discover the Genocide route through grindingrather than through his rabid fanbase screaming at people on how to play the game.I also think the game nailed the whole "playing through a game in a way you wouldn't normally just to see what happens" like replaying an rpg and picking a different faction
>>339570801
>we know from Asriel's backstory that he was always a shit eater
Except we don't. Chara just laughs things off as a coping mechanism, that's a really common thing for people to have.
Look at >>339568808's link, it goes more in depth about how Chara really works, but its an absolute skyscraper of analysis.
>>339570801
>"Chara wasn't the best person"
>Proof they're a genocidal maniac
So riddle me this then. Why'd they wait until Frisk came down to kill everything? If they really were such a massive shitter why didn't they just shank Asrial in his sleep and take his soul? They hated humanity, sure, but they loved their family. Kid even knitted his dad a sweater
>>339571010
>>339571031
Chara literally possessed his own brother to try and murder a village with his newfound god powers.
Asriel trying to stop him is what caused the events of the entire game.
>>339566182
Ew.
>>339570291
>"anime is real"
If only there were a powerful message something under the lines of reality is cruel because it's truthful.
>>339571176
Chara made a choice that once they get revived in the beginning of all runs they begin to doubt. If you do a pacifist run, they realize that Asriel's actions were justified and that they made a horrible mistake. In a neutral run, they realize that there are times that Asriel's philosophy of "Don't kill anyone, even the people you hate," is wrong. In a genocide run, you teach Chara that Asriel's ideology is flawed entirely, and they possess you so they can progress faster and kill more people.
>>339571176
Yeah, to get six more souls to break the barrier. Only monsters can absorb human souls. If Chara went up their in his human body with Asrial's soul he wouldn't be able to collect them and free everyone.
If Chara was really the genocidal maniac you say they are they wouldn't give a shit and would have just nabbed Asrials soul from the start. Instead they lived in the underground for a significant amount of time, enough for Chara's arrival to be an annual event and for them to collect childhood relics such as drawings, macaroni art, and a fucking knit sweater for their adoptive father.
>Alphys doesn't recognize Toriel
>Entry 8 references her
>>339563092
i just remembered the fucking color scheme of this game and got angry
it used to be my shit like the first week that came out and finished it lol but the graphics are so ugly
even MOTHER 1 is more colorful and it's a fucking NES game
the soundtrack was fucking dope tho
as for the plot...it was actually interesting, but kinda corny
>Game is all about love, forgiveness, and characters with three dimentional motivations
>People think that a major character like Chara can be boiled down to "they're evil" full stop
Never forget
>>339571959
I like how all the evil people are white.
>>339566182
>One of the least redeemable characters of all time, a genuinely terrible person, rides off the coat tails of your kindness and gets to fuck best girl and doesn't suffer any reparation for their actions.
>A good thing
>At all
>>339571959
How can I forget
>>339572125
>former flower
>sugar free
>not really feeling up to it right now, sorry
>>339572280
So I'm dumb and tired so bare with me, but I'm not seeing the joke about Sugar Free
>>339571463
>>339571528
I haven't read the giant fucking thesis you linked about this shit but this sounds like a lot of fan wank.
The game illustrates the neutral and pacifist runs as Frisk maintaining his humanity and staying true to himself. The game depicts Chara constantly as an unhappy bad person (by his own brother) who laughed at poisoning his father figure, despised humanity and specifically wanted to test their powers to their fullest extent, nothing about saving monsters. The narration is fourth wall leaning as hell, varying between character perspectives, proper narration or silly jokes depending on what suits the games mood.
Undertales about the relationship between the player and rpg mechanics. You start as a totally blank slate, and depending on how you play the game you either become a miserable killer like Chara or stay an innocent friendly soul like Frisk. You're taking a narrative about the players choices and glorifying them into this giant hidden redemption story for someone who's not even referenced once in the main run of the game, and even if Chara was actually interested in freeing the monsters to some extent it certainly wasn't his main motivation for his actions prior to the game.
>If Chara was really the genocidal maniac you say they are they wouldn't give a shit and would have just nabbed Asrials soul from the start.
How would he have known how the ridiculous soul mechanics work at the start? It seemed like they only even concepted their "plan" when he was dying.
Not to mention he was like 7 years old and probably got worse the longer he stayed disconnected from humanity.
>>339572409
Frisk is a brand of sugar free mints
>>339563092
>Preachy
What, preaching the power of friendship and believing in yourself?
> 9 months later.
So happy I never played it.
>>339570847
Why is Cole the worst character you can think of?
>>339572795
>Not liking Undertale
Fucking kill yourself you autistic piece of shit.I'm just fucking with you
>>339572981
Your motherwas a very nice lady.
>>339572487
Except the "Chara is the Narrator" part has a lot of ingame evidence to support it. You can't examine the flowers at the very beginning until after your encounter with Flowey. The name in the battle screen is the Fallen Child's name, it never says Frisk unless you're in Hard Mode. After all, the narration in Genocide becomes 1st person after Chara starts taking full control.
That being said, Frisk is the player avatar, they are who you want them to be, but Chara learns from Frisk's actions, and the thesis about it again has a LOT of ingame support that makes no real sense unless it's put into the context of Chara being the narrator.
If Chara is optimistic about Asriel's choice being right, they will be innocent and optimistic, saying the bag of dog food is half full. If you've killed someone and show Chara Asriel's choice was flawed, they get a little jaded, saying the bag is half empty. If you've killed a fair amount of people including the dogs in snowden, Chara will be reminded of the dogs and will say it's funny.
Seriously, it may seem like a lot of fan wank but it is ridiculously convincing.
>>339572487
>How would he have known how the ridiculous soul mechanics work at the start?
Well, the start was the wrong choice of words, but the Runes in Waterfall explain how that all works.
Also, it's dumb as hell to say the plan started after they were dying, because then your little Dust Bunny just decided to eat a bunch of toxic flowers for funsies and just went "Shit" and tried to salvage it. It was a very delibrate choice to eat the buttercups
Really, everything hinges on why Chara decided to kill themselves instead of Asrial. Literally the only reason for that would be if they wanted more Souls to break the barrier with. It would even be safer if it was the other way. Chara wouldn't have to die of buttercup poisoning (And look that shit up by the way. It is not a nice way to go. You basically shit from every orifice for three weeks before kicking the bucket) and they would have their own body to boot, all while still having God Powers from the merged soul.
And again, there was nothing stopping Chara from going Genocide back in their own time, and everything in their room points to them loving their family.
>>339563092
It was ok.
Normies: the game
Autism tale
Furry saga
LGBT story
And the list goes on
>>339573116
>Really, everything hinges on why Chara decided to kill themselves instead of Asrial.
Because monster souls don't persist the same way human souls do after death and human souls are hundreds of times more powerful.
It wouldn't have worked.
>>339573429
>Autism tale
>Furry saga
These two are contradictory.
Wait, I beat mettaton on pacifist and I'm already at Asgore? I thought I was going to see more Undyne
>>339573534
shit I meant Normie game/ furfag game, time to go kill myself.
>>339573593
Did you return to her house in Waterfall after her boss battle?
>>339573429
Sorry that you can't craft an intricate story, that tasks the player's mind through high moral choices, with a legion of millions of fans who proclaim it to be genius while sitting on millions of dollars.
All you're good for is being a loser.
>>339573595
Great
>>339573523
>Because monster souls don't persist the same way human souls do after death
Except for Boss Monster souls, which Asriel was one of. Toriel's and Asgore's souls both survived for just a few seconds after they died, if a human wanted to they could take them.
>>339573789
dumb goat poster
>>339563092
Fantastic game.
Only reason I wouldn't give it my GOTY 2015 would be how short it is. It's a good length for what it is, but I have to give credit to a game that can keep me engaged for 100 hours vs. 10.
>>339571685
>he doesn't see that that's the juxtaposition.
>>339573789
Please none of that furry shit, this thread is better off without it.
>>339573661
You have seen the video, right?
>>339573716
>Toriel's and Asgore's souls both survived for just a few seconds after they died, if a human wanted to they could take them.
This outcome isn't nearly as good as the alternative Chara took. You either get enough power to maybe possible cross the barrier for two seconds or you can become a JRPG god.
Like I said, the plan wouldn't have worked.
Reminder that Flowey is better than Asriel
>>339574142
This
>>339574142
>Fun lunatic villain who keeps trolling the player
>Feelsbait goat child
No shit.
MEME GAME
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the game is so meta at this point the fourth wall must be felt like a battered housewife
>>339574142
Counterpoint:
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>>339574314
>>339574387
>edgy kids like the edgy character
no shit
>>339574524
>liking feelsbait the character
>>339574470
asriel is a sweet cinnamon roll
>>339574524
>not preferring a tryhard edge mcedgy fragant flower to literally my mom's goat
baka desu senpainot to mention flowey would make a decent shoulder pal, a gote would break your back
>>339572040
ya but she's thicc
The game's pretty good OP.
Alphys and the fucking horrendous and obsessive fan-base are the only awful things I could recall.
>They don't like all forms of him equally
>>339575486
Yes
All of the forms
>>339573654
no because I didn't even know where it was at first, now it appears that there's no one home
>>339575615Just dicking around i didn't even play the game
i try not to be offended by the boss monsters basically just being mimigas
but seeing so many threads get derailed by edgegote is testing my ability
>>339575830
Well, you should.
It's short and fun.
>>339575867
Mimigas are great so I don't know why you're mad. Cave Story in general is also good, too bad there isn't much to talk about about it.
>>339575998
I have it downloaded, I stopped at the ice puzzle because I had other games to play but I will get back to it soon.
>>339576092
It's been 4 years and I've lost my touch with that game, I managed to do everything right to get the true ending, I just need to fight Misery, the Doctor and the Core all on the same fucking life like that's possible or anything.
>>339574524
Cute characters acting edgy is the best.
>>339575615
>>339575486
even the female one?
>>339577359
There ain't no female one
This isn't like Frisk/Chara where they keep it ambiguous, boi goat only
>>339577649
kay
>>339567859
>quit after killing Sans
>start a new playthrough
>Flowey still fears me even after I set up everything for the True Ending
I wasn't expecting that, the beginning was still the same so I assumed Toby would be lazy; but he didn't disappoint!
>>339568602
He has time for tea with a murderer but he can't spare a few minutes on a pacifist; I guess all those nicknames were true.
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>>339567224
>Toriel is set up
>Toriel doesnt try hitting you when you reach below 5hp
>Game tells you before you dont always have to fight
Does no one talk to NPCs anymore?
>>339577939
Huh, interesting.
I quit after getting dunked on and he just kinda mocked me for it.
>>339567224
>>339578101
I mean, it was advertised as "The RPG where you don't have to hurt anyone." Having a MERCY option in an RPG is like having a Tranquilizer Gun in an FPS; you're immediately made aware that you can play the game without killing anything.
I mean, if Toby honestly didn't want people to know that pure pacifism was an option (which I doubt), he did a pretty poor job of it.
>>339578102
Yeah, after doing what I did he says something like this:
>Why are you doing this? I'm not sure what your plan is, but I won't get in your way.
>Wait, I get it now. You want to give them everything they ever wanted, just so you can rip it all away at the last second!
>that's just like you, haha.
He was also sweating the whole time, it was great.
>>339577939
Different Dialogue or does he ignore you?
>>339578289
>he did a pretty poor job of it.
As the way it should be. Anyone who complained
>"How was I suppose to know that!"
Is literally that one retarded kid who fucked with a bees nest and turned out they were allergic to bee stings.
>>339578506
He says something similar if you reset without killing Sans, but with his dumb smug grin face instead. And I think he starts it off with "Really, (name)?"
I liked this game, but a lot of the lore raises many questions, not the least of which include:
So a monster may absorb a human soul and become powerful, and can acquire multiple human souls if given the opportunity to, but can a human absorb another human soul? Obviously, two human souls can cohabitate in the same being, even when there is no monster soul present (Flowey doesn't have a soul, so Omega Flowey has only human souls within him).
Additionally, is a human with a monster soul more powerful than a monster with a human soul?
If Asriel/Flowey was able to just rip even regular monster souls straight out of monster bodies with six human souls, could a human do that, too with enough soul-power?
If a human did have two souls, would this allow them to basically roflstomp all of the monsters? If so, why not just do that after sealing them away so that they're not a problem anymore?
>>339578656
I didn't have to fight Omega Flowey and it just skipped to that ending dialogue he gives to remind you about any loose ends; instead he said the other thing.
>>339579048
Yeah, he still said that after I cleared the Ruins as a pacifist.
>>339563092
> can't find anynone in europe that even knows about this game to talk about it
>looks like people already moved on to other games
either it was painfully mediocre or it just shows that you can't really get cult followings by just releasing a single player story games with no promise of further expansions or enough content to keep people playing it and discovering things
and now you're reduced to shilling this shit on /v/ of all places to remain relevant
>>339579376
>europe
Well there's your problem.
>>339579487
yeah the second largest english speaking market for video games
goes to show it barely got any coverage offline and outside of US
I liked this game, but I don't understand why YOUR soul shatters like a boss monster when you die instead of lingering around.
If Flowey was getting pissed off because he didn't have a soul inside of himself and couldn't feel anything right after he was brought back to life, why didn't he literally JUST go to his father, who had an actual stock and surplus of human souls just SITTING there, explain the situation and that he was his son, Asriel, and just ask for one of the human souls so that he could feel again and not be a botanical maniac?
Would it have been that hard? We know that Flowey didn't go batshit insane immediately after he was brought back to life; he had to go through life for quite some time before he became jaded and uncaring (caring being =/= feeling).
If all it takes to have emotions is a single human soul, THE ONLY THING HE NEEDED TO DO WAS ASK THE GUY WITH SIX OF THEM JUST FLOATING IN HIS JARS -- HIS OWN FATHER.
>>339579983
There are a few dumb things in the plot, especially towards the end; Toby got lazy, or couldn't keep up.
>>339563092
No.
>>339579726
Probably because of saving. Or he just thought it was a cool visual effect and wasn't worried about it making sense.
>>339579983
I dunno if it works like that. Flowey doesn't seem to be more capable of feeling once he gets the six human souls, he's just more powerful. I'd assume that having your own soul is what allows you to feel things, while having other people's souls just makes you stronger.
This still wouldn't explain why he's able to feel after getting 7 souls and reaching Goat God status, though.
>>339563469
T H I S
Holy fuck Asriel shows up for the last 10 minutes and the game expects you to give a shit about him.
>>339580437
I'm fairly certain that Flowey is just jaded enough that his new feelings don't matter in Neutral.
He still has those residual hints of feeling when you incessantly spare him at the end, though, when he wimps the fuck out of your forgiveness and gets the fuck out of dodge.
>>339567754
>Undyne literally tries to kill you, a human child, three times
>When you finally fight talking to her or showing her mercy don't work
>The only way to let her live is to run away from her until she literally can't follow you
>If you kill her Sans talks shit about you when you're judged and implies you're a murderer
>>339579983
he told you that he wasn't able to convince his father no matter what
>>339580778
He's right, though. He knows you have the power to rewind time and redo anything until you get the best outcome.
If he didn't know about the time rewind stuff, yeah, it isn't murder. But he knows you have a special power, so you don't have any excuse. The only reason to kill her is out of laziness.
>>339580898
But that implies that you would've died before and the game is easy as shit.
>>339579983
It could be that he tried, and Asgore just refused. I mean, everyone in the underground seems excited that they're so close to escaping. Giving up even one human soul could mean pushing their escape back by years. He's already sacrificed his marriage to commit to his current path, he might be willing to deny his son a soul if it meant helping the entire underground.
Plus, Flowey becomes a much more suspicious figure if he's asking for something. "Hey, I'm your son!" might have been something Asgore was willing to believe, but "Hey, I'm your son! Give me a human soul!" might have seemed like some kind of trick.
>>339580898
Also, how is letting a child killer free worse than killing said child killer
>>339581107
Does Sans fucks Toriel?
>>339581131
Because she wasn't a child killer at all. She doesn't try to kill childs for fun or pleasure, she just does it to protect the underground.
Calling her a child killer is like calling a cop a killer.
>>339581258
>Protect
She does it to collect souls so that the people of the underground could go free. At that point, even if you've done nothing violent, even if she sees you risk your own safety to rescue a monster, she still attacks you. Killing someone innocent to forward their goals is not "protecting" anything.
>>339581258
>Calling someone who literally tries to kill an innocent human child a child killer is wrong
xddd
>>339563092
It was good but the biggest problem for me was that it wasn't enough of an actual game.
Sure, the puzzles and the characters and the story and all the goofy shit and the things that made it stand out from other games like the potential for killing Toriel on accident, etc...those things did make the game fun.
However, the actual game had little substance or challenge except for 2 particular boss fights...in a route where the game punishes you for going down that route by making it EXTREMELY tedious to keep going, which I thought was fucking stupid regardless of the "point" it was trying to make.
So it was enjoyable and worth playing, but was it amazing or even very good? Not really, and I think $15 is too much to ask since it's more like a $10 game to me; it was still good and interesting though.
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>>339577359
Hips...
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>>339579117
Humans can't absorb human souls, and monsters can't absorb monster souls. As for hybrids, I'm guessing humans with monster souls are "more powerful" because human bodies are simply more durable. Monster bodies are highly vulnerable to the emotional state of themselves and the attacker, to the point that the player can deal infinite damage.
On this point, my headcanon as to why Chara was able to become part of Frisk, despite being human, is because Asriel/Chara both turned into soulless monster dust. The monster dust that contained Asriel fused with a flower injected with DT, while the monster dust that contained Chara fused with a human and its natural DT. This also may explain why Frisk is able to exit the barrier in Neutral runs. You don't need a human and a monster soul to leave the barrier but the equivalent power of a hybrid, and the human remains of a monster hybrid might substitute for a really weak monster soul.
>>339563092
(insert contrarian opinion here)
>>339581789
>Not really, and I think $15 is too much to ask since it's more like a $10 game to me.
It's $10 USD. Are you australian?
The music is what made the game
Seriously if it wasn't for the god tier OST very few of the big story moments would have had any impact, Undertale almost feels like a concept album that uses a game to tell the story
Yeah.
>>339563092
I enjoyed it for what it was.
People need to stop getting so worked up over this game.
Either you like it or you don't, simple as that.
>>339584183
I guess the price went down then because it WAS $15 originally.
