>Sony losing exclusives left and right every month
>Microsoft confirmed all future games (Halo 6, etc) will also be available on PC
What's the fucking point of consoles if they don't have exclusives? The only one with exclusives these days is Nintendo, and they're not that impressive. What happened to the days of SNES and Genesis where there were fucktons of exclusives on each console?
>>339512564
Those days were different. All the platforms were radically different, and you had to pretty much rewrite a game from scratch if you wanted to port your games. And this is why, sometimes, a port of a game was *completely* different between the SNES and Genesis - because if you're writing a game from scratch, with a completely different team, you might as well do something different.
These days, consoles are basically PCs. Same code runs everywhere. And for developers, it doesn't make much sense to tie yourself to a platform, when you can easily target other ones without too much effort (at least compared to the earlier console days).
>>339512564
You see, during those days consoles were used to play video games.
>>339512564
plug and play
ease of use
mind you, that comes from a pc player
>>339513975
>And this is why, sometimes, a port of a game was *completely* different between the SNES and Genesis - because if you're writing a game from scratch, with a completely different team, you might as well do something different.
Aladdin on SNES and Genesis comes to mind, among others.
Still, why exactly should I buy a console if I know for a fact that its games will eventually come to PC for a lower price AND as a "definitive" edition (all the DLC included for free, better graphics/framerate, etc)?
Normalfags and a complete lack of competitive drive. The latter means there's no pressure to try and one up anyone with your A game like the SNES/Genesis era and the former means that you can float by just fine on shiny multiplats. Things are different now, exclusives don't really sell consoles much anymore.
I'm just saying, if you can only sell your console by forcing certain games to only be available on said console, maybe consoles are a bad idea.
>>339512564
>wanting exclusives in any form
Well, I guess if you like getting fucked by greedy jews
>>339514460
Xbox is eventually going to be a Windows Machine.
Maybe eventually Sony will turn the Playstation into a Steammachine?
>>339514295
>insert game
>install for half an hour
>update for another 30 mins
>have to pay to play online
>ease of use
Inb4 consolefag defense force going full damage control and calling PC bros PCucks and PC gaming a meme.
>>339512564
Its a consoles and pc are not the same market episode
Pc having a game is irrelevant to the console market because Chad thundercunt isn't going to buy or build a pc to play a game. He will instead just buy what his fuccboi friends nought and then but multiplat trash
>>339514635
I don't think Microsoft will abandon console gaming at all, otherwise that means Sony will have the golden ticket to a console monopoly. Sony already has the majority marketshare despite competing platforms, and look what that translates into. Games being biased to work the best on their consoles 9Arkham Knight, BLOPS3), exclusive/timed DLC content, broken ports to PC, the entire catalog of Japanese games being exclusive to their platforms. Imagine if they had no competitors in the console market?
For all the shit /v/ gives Microsoft, they have to understand that it was the Xbox that made PC into a platform alongside the consoles. If there was no Xbox, pretty much every single game would only be on the PS2 and their succeeding consoles.
>>339515086
This is exactly why both Microsoft and Sony (and I guess nintendo now, see: Sonic Lost World) dont care about their games being on PC.
>>339514635
I liked that idea but now with Fallout 4 console modding being a complete disaster, I'm not sure that's a good idea anymore. I used to think any console player could get into PC gaming easily, but some console players are literally tech illiterate. They NEED plug and play. Maybe keeping the two markets separated by some amount is a good idea.
>>339512564
>Sony losing exclusives left and right every month
What did they lose? Uncharted/BB/Rachet/GT aren't being ported as far as I know.
>>339515212
We won't know for certain until we see Halo, Uncharted, and Zelda on the same machine.
>>339512564
I'm pretty there are plently of reasons to own a console despite of no exclusives
>>339514412
>A game
>games entirely different, incomparable in design, like Aladdin, Beavis and Butthead
>games that were objectively worse on one platform, Maximum Carnage, Streetfighter
>>339515113
Microsoft has already said all future Xbox One games will also be available on PC on the Windows Store (AKA Windows 10). Basically, the One no longer has exclusives due to this.
>>339515113
>I don't think Microsoft will abandon console gaming at all
I'm not saying they will. Xbox will still be a console, just full access to Windows 10
>>339515348
>Basically, the One no longer has exclusives due to this.
It still does as 40 million ps4 owners won't get any of those games
Unless you're implying everyone has a 1k pc. You know the same fanbase that gets apeshit mad at the pc these days?
>>339514497
How does a person or company wanting exclusives make them greedy? That's just business.
If I make something, or invest in something (where my investment alone is the difference between the product being made or not), I kinda want it to be mine. Or at least have a big chunk of it. Why should I take a shitload of risk, and then not do whatever I can to minimize my risks and/or get the most out of it as possible?
When big bucks are involved (in the case of exclusive titles), you can't depend on people to not maximize their investments and lower risk. There's a lot of suck that goes along with that model (eg, pumping out the same fucking trash every year and having slobbering idiots buy it over and over again), but they're the only people who can make games with that much money and production value involved. And I value that, and am glad there is at least some means of creating games with hundreds of man-years involved in their creation.
I do wish consumers were less retarded though, because all these companies do is follow the wishes of the consumers. They give them what they want. (That and it's actually illegal for a corporation to not take steps to maximize profits...)
Sigh.
>>339512564
Remember the time when you could just put the disk in and play. Today you need to install just like in pc the game. Consoles are literally old tech.
>Sony losing exclusives left and right every month
Literally what? And I swear to god if you say Tekken 7 I won't even bother replying
>>339514350
Don't. Consoles remain in business because casuals.
>>339512564
Because MS still makes money off of games going to PC since the games are only available off of the Windows 10 store.
Keep up familia.
Whats the point of a console?
You're just paying more for locked hardware that has 1-2 worthwhile games, no mods, no emulation, and not free internet?
>>339515327
Not OP, but they lost basically every single "weeb" game and publisher.
>IF games (Nep, Trillion, FFF, etc)
>Marvelous games (Senran Kagura, Little King's Story, etc)
>D3 games (Onechanbara and other moonspeak games)
>NIS games (Disgaea, Phantom Brave, Criminal Girls, etc)
>>339515496
>That's just business.
Yes. But wanting them as a player is just stupidity. Brand loyalty is fucking cancer
>>339514692
The only people who use cuck are Nyggers, dont generalize those memesters with other consolebros.
>>339515113
The oXbox was good. The 360 was horrible for it. Microsoft got greedy and tried to push PC gamers to Xbox while forcing GFWL, trying to force paid online, and bribing Epic to optimize Unreal 3 for console instead of PC. So yeah, people still have a good reason to distrust Microsoft regardless of DirectX and being competitive with Sony.
>>339515584
It's easy(er) to set up than a PC.
To have a PC worth a damn you practically have to build it from scratch, and not everyone's tech-savy.
>>339515551
>already answering his question and getting triggered in the same post
God damn anon maybe you should go back to your hugbox in NeoGaf.
>>339515390
>Xbox 10 will have Microsoft Office and PS5 won't
NEVER EVER
>>339514295
na, we aint in 1995, steam is so fucking easy to use, the PSN isn't half as good
>>339515817
I only paid 30 eurobucks to have it build for me, that's not much extra
what exclusives has sony lost recently?
I don't understand why you're not all idorts
PS4 for new games
PC for old games
>>339516016
Onechanara Z2
Final Fantasy X/X2
Everybody gone to the Rapture
these are the most recent ones i can think of
>>339515586
I imagine a future where Neptunia (and whatever other popular Japanese games exist) become GameWorks/PhysX showcase titles. However, I'm pretty sure Batman would be a better showcase than Neptnuia, more normies would buy into it.
That's another thing. I would be shocked if people said they'd rather not have nVidia involved at all if, say, the only way to get Ace Combat 7 on Windows (fuck the term 'PC', all games are made for fucking WINDOWS) is if it was crammed full of GameWorks features. AMDrones would cry their little eyes out while the 'muh free platform' fags would accuse nVidia of trying to consolize computer gaming. There actually are people who would decry such a proposal, despite everyone benefiting from it (IIRC, nVidia pays the publisher to utilize PhysX, not the other way around).
>>339516034
Because poorfags.
>>339516034
>doesnt understand what idort means
I dont see Nintendo and xbox included in your post kiddo
>>339516034
>PC for old games
Confirmed sonygger with a laptop.
>>339515817
>you have to build it
No you don't
Prebuilds go around for like 300 minimum, and may not be graphically impressive they can get 60fps, which is what matters
Also, you can just fucking hire a tech guy to build it
>>339516034
>PS4 for new games
Are you fucking retarded
>>339516084
Senran Kagura
Neptunia (every single game to date)
Trillion (rated for PC, IFI will be porting it soon apparently)
Disgaea (NISA said the newer ones will come to PC if it sells well)
Phantom Brave
Criminal Girls
And some others. Basically if it isn't Bloodborne, Uncharted, or Grand Turismo, Sony lost it.
>>339516034
>PS4 for new games
>PC for old games
We get it, you own a Mac, doesnt make you an idort, NeoGaf.
>>339516264
>Prebuilds
Literally worse than Sonyggers
>>339516084
>>339516345
I have heard of like 2 of these games
>>339512564
Cheaper. Find a 400 dollaroo PC that can run games as good as current gen console. You can't. There's the fact that you can't do your thesis or work on console, but fuck details.
>>339516000
>>339516264
Note how I said easy(er).
Consoles are always pre-built and you don't need someone dude to help set it up for you.
>>339516454
>explains an option for the lazy at a cheap price
>f-fucking worse than sonyggers amirite guise?
Nothing is worse, we've had well over a hundred strawpolls over this.
>>339512564
Crackdown 3
>>339516529
That's basically every single Japanese game that the PS4/Vita have of worth, and they all got ported to PC. The only games that didn't get ported were games funded by Sony or owned by Sony (Bloodborne and Gravity Rush, as examples).
>>339516034
PC for old games and multiplats
Console for exclusives or unemulatable games
I can't imagine why you would want to play a AAA multiplat in glorious 30fps if you had a decent PC.
>>339516612
Enjoy wasting your money then
>>339516529
Then you're a normie who only plays games advertised during South Park.
Dont forget Playstation lost Helldivers, EDF4.1 is on SteamDB, Dragon Quest Heroes.
>>339516596
The base price of a PC is the only real hurdle.
After that you can get free shit either by pirating or sales up the ass.
>>339516728
You have no idea how to read do you
>>339515614
Competition is a good thing, anon. Remember when companies were actually trying to one up each other constantly?
>>339516808
Just because it's cheap, doesn't mean the prize is good you stupid nigger. I mean, 300 dollars aren't that much, but spending them on literal shit would be a bad idea nonetheless
>>339512564
>Microsoft confirmed all future games (Halo 6, etc) will also be available on PC
until denuvo is crushed by x64 debugger... then it will be all tears again
>>339516596
>looking for a budget PC or console
I don't get why people are always looking for cheap hardware. Just go all out and buy what you can afford. Are people here all under 18 or what? If you can't afford $1000 on your hobby get your shit together or find a cheaper hobby. A build with a $300 GPU is a great sweet spot for value and performance, consoles and console-tier toaster PC's are shit regardless of how much you pay for them.
>>339516034
>PS4 for new games
What games?
>>339516775
>>339516084
>>339516345
Helldivers and Everybody's gone to the Rapture are the only ones that were actually published by Sony
The rest of them are weebshit that are always on PS first just because
>>339516345
>>339516084
Just about all of those were multiplats as of last gen. Losing exclusives pant new at all.
>>339517158savage
I just want ACTUAL games instead of this indieshit. It's like all the flash animations of the early 00's became the indie games of the 10's.
Exclusives funded by the parent company is okay I guess, but apart from that, it's PC for me. Mind you, I was an avid ps3 user but made the switch sometime after 2012.
When you think about it, aren't most pcfags a sonygger at one point?
>>339517254
>Neptunia VII
>touted as a PS4 exclusive during its Japanese release (even got the "only on Playstation" box)
>it's now on PC
>Noire, Neptunia U, Rebirth 1/2/3
>Vita exclusives (had the "only on Playstation" box)
>now on PC
>ported to PC within a couple of months
How is that a last gen game?
>>339514658
Lol fucking this. Consoles lost any advantage they had over PC when they became mini PCs.
>>339517079
I'd sooner spend 1000 on clothes than a PC. Come on kouhai.
>>339512564
What exclusives did soni losw
>>339517686
>What exclusives did soni losw
See:
>>339516084
>>339516345
>>339514658
>insert game
>updates and installation are automatic
>online is optional
Fixt for ya cunt.
>>339514350
Stupid fucks who cant install software, wrap their heads around streaming from pc to a large screen tv, and live in japan are the only reasons.
>>339517264
Man, 7th gen console wars were so much more fun. 8th gen flame warring is just shitposting and idiocy.
>>339516783
sales on pc arent really as good as they used to be. You can also go the preowned route on console which will mean you can save a bundle on games without having to wait an eon to play them.
Well honestly at this point pc isn't in a bad spot
Buying into it you get
1. No paid paywall to access games online
2. Cheaper games at around 35-40 bucks through the gray market
3. Strategy and certain rpg exclusives. Xcom 2, pillars and total war warhammer among some.
4. Microsoft's games are confirmed to be coming like halo wars 2 and forza. It's rumored that the main series is coming as well and potentially a lot more but it's all in the air but right now we have definite confirmation of all future forzas coming.
5. Emulation of some past systems like the wii, psp, etc (Wii U Emulation, ps3 and 3ds is in the works)
6. Backwards native compatibility of any game
7. A pc is clearly more powerful than a console and can push for higher frame rates and visuals on multiplats provided you didn't go budget
8. You can do pretty much anything on it without being walled off like you would on consoles. Like porn games and other questionable shit.
9. No restrictions on mods
10. Use it for it work as you can install any program on it
11. Upgrade when you want by swapping the weaker parts. Usually just the gpus as cpu power has plateaued which is good since games don't max em out much anymore.
Now let's see the ps4
Buying into it you get.
1. Exclusives like BB infamous and uncharted 4.
2. It's easier to set up vs building your own pc for the masses.
3. Can run some older games but you have to buy them again and stream em in some cases. Only past PS games. No true PS3 BC.
So really in the end you would buy a console for that certain exclusive you want to play these days or because you can't afford the full pc experience. Nothing wrong with that
Man I want gaming to be like tvs
you just buy the hardware and sub to anything you want.
>>339512564
>What's the fucking point of consoles if they don't have exclusives?
Easy to use and accessible.
There isn't any point to consoles.
>>339514658
Console
>put disc in
>play game
PC
>buy multiple parts that cost $1000 for a decent build
>have to manually put together all the components
>keyboard is uncomfortable and confusing since 95% of the buttons have no input on the game
>you have to replace all your parts every 1.5 years as the graphics cards become worse over time and run worse
>have to install a video game license rental service like Steam
>have to play $60 for recently released games but have no benefits as physical copy
>there are constant updates for games slowing down the chance of playing the game
>games constantly crash and run into compatibility problems
>Nvidia gimps their cards with Gameworks to make you buy their newer hardware
>try to play some indie games but most are uninspired rip offs of older SNES games I played
>try a early access to literally alpha test a game with barely any content and runs poorly
>can't let my friends borrow my games without jumping though huge obsoletes and even then we can't play each others games if the other is playing a different game at the time
>try to play older games from my childhood on N64 and PS2 emulators
>try to plug in my controller to use for more comfortablility but it requires multiple drivers and constantly rebind the controls every time I switch games
>download emulator for them but they take a while to get the right settings and even then the games run poorly and are missing textures and other graphical glitches
>try to play older PC I heard from others but the run into compatibility problems and constantly crashes when tried to play
>try to play a fun looking multiplayer game but the game is filled with hackers and childern and young teens constantly spouting memes
>try to play split screen with my friends but hardly any games supports split screen and is a hassle to set up
>start playing less and less and go on /v/ and shitpost more about games even ones I never even played
What is the point of PC gaming?
>>339520115
The only advantage consoles have over PC is fewer cheaters in multiplayer.
>>339515503
This.
Literally every system out there has tons of issues nowadays, making PC ownership just seem more logical
Hell, even my 3DS freezes on bad days
>>339515586
>Tfw Persona and older metal gear games never
I swear Atlus is one of very few prominent JRPG publishers to be against PC ports
>>339520558
>Against
>Literally (not as a meme, LITERALLY) skipped gen 7 homeconsoles to make SNES-like rpg on DS, with the exception of a soap opera rendition of Q-Bert
>Their first real PS3 game becomes a PS4 game and releases 10 years after PS3 launch
They just suck. They're like From, quality design doesn't make you a quality programmer.
>>339516914
You don't understand what competition means. Exclusives aren't competition - they're monopolies themselves. Sony has a monopoly on Bloodborne which forces you to play on their console. Real competition would mean playing on whatever machine was the best. I see so many people saying they would get rid of their consoles if the games were on PC.
>>339520191
This. I stopped gaming on PC a year or two ago because of the cancerous players. Either children, memeing Redditors, or hackers who can't play a game without infinite health, stamina, and ammo. Fuck this PEESEE GAYMEN meme. All mustards should go back to r/pcmasterrace.
>>339512564
Ease of access.
Less bugs and problems.
User friendly.
>>339521409
Not him, but I don't think YOU know what competition means. The competition isn't between one game and another, it's between platforms. If every platform had every game on it, then what's the point of buying console "Y" when "X" has them too? If your platform has games that are exclusively on it, it makes people buy your console to play that game. That's why Sony/Microsoft will pay so much to a company just for them to make it exclusive. Do you honestly think the developers want to sell less copies by making it exclusive? Of course not, but if someone pays you enough to make up those costs, you'll make it exclusive. If the game isn't a Sony game or a Microsoft game, it was bought to be exclusive so that they have a one up on the competition.
>>339514460
That would be true if exclusives on consoles were best selling games on that platform. Bloodborne sold like 2 or 3 million, not 10 or 20.
>>339522736
Nothing you've said refutes my post. In fact, saying
>If every platform had every game on it, then what's the point of buying console "Y" when "X" has them too?
SUPPORTS what I'm saying. You would be able to buy the superior hardware instead of having to buy several weaker consoles because they all have monopolies on games you want.
People who defend exclusives by saying that Sony and Microsoft need them to sell consoles are in a sense admitting defeat. They are saying that the console is incapable of selling itself by virtue of it's hardware and is totally dependent on artificially locked software to be relevant.
Xbox games really shouldn't count considering it'll just be W10 and Xbox Store exclusive
>but how is that bad
It is if you're a Steamcuck. Plus those PC ports aren't special considering the BS requirements for it (see Quantium Break)
PS4 losing exclusives are just the ones nobody gives as rats ass about except for the fans of those games.
>>339515586
Wait the consoles are losing those games?
When they already have it?
Also why should I get a PC when I can already play those on my console years ago. It's not like they require good specs to begin with.
>>339512564
The industry expanded and publishers figured out selling to the lowest common denominator was more profitable than selling to hobbyists/the core. Most customers have low/no standards, they don't need their consoles to be different or have exclusives, they'll just buy the same yearly AAA multiplats.
>>339523460
It would lead to a one-platform market, and that means no competition and the platform holder being able to freely fuck all its customers because there's no comparable, viable alternative. It's already kind of happening, Xbone sold half what PS4 did because they both ahd the same shit so most people just went with the slightly better platform. Exclusives did dick for the Wii U and the multiplats it had at launch sold like shit, again, because people just bought them on the other platforms.
Look at Comcast. They can just fuck their customers all they want and deliver terrible service and prices because they're the only game in town. If you want cable or an internet connection that's not 100KB/s DSL, you're stuck with Comcast.
Moneyhatting exclusives, as in paying for them to not be on other platforms specifically when they otherwise would be, is bad. But publishers agreeing to fund exclusives is fine, like Bayonetta 2. That's what most good exclusives used to be, games funded/published by the platform holder because the developer needed it, not games the platform holder shelled out to make exclusive just for the sake of making them exclusive.
>>339525263
You couldn't do that on PC though.
It's an open platform
>>339525263
>One platform market
PC is an open platform with no single corporation controlling it. You also have competition between hardware manufacrturers like EVGA, ASUS, Corsair, etc. Actual competition.
Multiple monopolies can exist in the same space. This is basic economics, guys.
>>339525561
Sure you can, DRM like Steam is more or less mandatory to play on PC. Doesn't matter how open the platform is, if I want to play games on PC and not pirate/steal, I'm stuck with Steam. Origin and Uplay exist but they are not a comparable alternative and are the same restrictive shit to boot. So if I want that open platform freedom I'm stuck jumping through hoops and/or pirating. Publishers are combating that with more DRM that restricts paying customers and online-only, MP-only games you can't pirate.
>>339525760
Not talking about hardware specifically, see above. Doesn't matter what I used to build my PC, I'm stuck with console-like DRM 90% of the time anyway if I want to be a paying customer and play new releases. I have freedom in what I choose to put in my PC but comparatively little when it comes to actually buying and playing games.
