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What wentsorta okay I guess?
qte final boss
>>339450462
The game was good, it just wasn't as good as 2.
>>339450585
That's still pretty high given the rest of the series.
1 is pretty divisive (I think it's good) and 3 is suffers the "third game curse"ala Crash Warped and Spyro 3where it's just a lot of bloated minigames, reused assets, and scrappy doo characters you dont care about.
2 > 4 =/> 1 > 3
I thought it was tied with 1. Like 2>1=4>>>3. 3 was just unfun as fuck, not really bad but very tiring with all the MUH FRIENDS gimmicks. 4 felt a lot more like 1, since you're still playing as Sly +/- one or two powers. I hope Sanzaru gets a chance at a Sly 5. 4 had the shapings of a great start, a shame they ran out of budget for the final boss.
fanfiction-tier story
no difficulty at all
cringe everywhere
Even 3 was better than this shit.
Well you see, this was originalky meant to be a Ninja Turtles game. Not many people know that, but obviously that constituted a major design change when all the player meshes had to be changed at the last minute.
>>339450864
>fanfiction-tier story
Sucker Punch dug Sanzaru into a hole with the time travel line at the end of 3, if they had removed it, that ONE single line, they could have gone literally anywhere else with the plot.
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
3 is fucking terrible
>>339450864
I think you need to replay 3 if you think 4 was as bad as it.
3 is just awful.
I really hate those new added characters who just do things the main trio has already proven capable of doing in 2.
>>339451531
>Sly/Murray/Bentley are capable of mystic dreamtime mumbo jumbo and frogmanning
I'll give you Penelope/Panda King, who are both easily covered by Bentley.
>>339450721
I thought 1 was great, I played the HD collection as my first experience and was actually disappointed at first when 2 didn't turn out to be similar to 1 in its design but I got over it pretty quickly.
>>339451531
It also suffers from that issue of the closer to the end of the game a character is introduced, the more they go to waste. You literally only use the Panda King and Dimitri once or twice, and thank god because they were fucking shit to play as.
>>339451719
The shift in game design was due to Sucker Punch wanting Sly to be more about "actually doing something" (jobs) than "just going somewhere"
>>339451659
You know murray learned that dreamtime shit right?
And if you think about what it was used for, murray could have done all of that.
>>339450462
2>4>3=1
3 was the worst of the free roam slys due to overabundance of mini-games and some gang members were gimmicky as fuck especially Penelope. Some bosses were pretty lame like Baron and Zhao, Dr. M literally only squatted on an island for years with mutants until you showed up because "unexplained resentment"
.
1 was only weaker because it was linear and yet to flush out but incredibly solid platformer. Bosses were pretty simple but clockwork is godlike villain/fight.
2 was just the best in terms of story, gameplay was solid between 3 characters. Good Bosses all around except contessa's fight, especially Neyla and Bison.
Cooper Family > Extra Gang members, they had really good lines and personalities and contributed a lot to platforming. Bosses were pretty good all around except for fucking LeParodox's QTE fest. Fuck he was such a great, slimy, backhanded asshole of a villain but he needed a better fight. Also improved the costume mechanic and had some of the funniest jokes in series and they had the best animated cutscenes.
Just wish Sony would pony up to let Sanzaru make a Sly 5
>>339450462
Was Demitry even in this game outside the teaser trailer?
>>339451982
>murray's big fat hippo ass riding the guards
uhhhhh
>>339451719
I was really fond of 1. It still remains as one of the few games that I 100%'d, and got me mildly interested in speedrunning before that was a thing.
>>339452035
He rode the guards into shit to destroy it.
>that Penelope reveal
'no'
>>339450462
It easily had the best boss battles that isnt the final boss
Black Knight is easily the best boss in the series
>>339451989
I liked the idea of Dr. M, but it could have been done better.
>>339452079
I don't understand why people got so mad over it, she wasn't an interesting character to begin with.
>>339452114
I thought he was pretty unmemorable.
>>339450721
>tfw warped is and always has been my favorite crash bandicoot game
It was the only one I had as a kid, so that probably has something to do with it, but whenever I try to play the others they feel clunky and unrefined.
>>339452179
Like I said, the idea.
>>339452205
I didn't disagree.
>>339450864
Sly 3 isn't a bad game but if you honestly think it's better than 4 you're just sucking SP's dick. 3 was SP running out of ideas and showed it badly.
Also, Nothing in 4 was ever as cringey as the "3D" in sly 3
>>339452180
Warped would easily be my favourite over 2 if it weren't for the plane and jetski levels.
>>339452179
because it made no fucking sense and was unnecessary
>>339451989
Clock-la is shit storywise. Big bad Clockwerk really had to go down like that?
>>339451989
Well the Cooper gang, minus the pehistoric asshole was just an extension of Sly, so playing them was fun, and was also the reason we play these games.
Kind of irked me how it was explained that Sly's dad was stealing something at the same time Le Paradox's dad was. Wasn't the Cooper family a family of thieves that stole from other thieves? I thought they didn't steal from non-criminals directly.
>>339452472
They could of both been stealing from a criminal.
>>339452265
>thinking about the weird level types in warped
>suddenly remember the scuba diving ones
Say what you will about Sly 3
But it had the best Bently to control
Wheelchair rockets a best
>>339452114
Shrugging Sly guy here:
M wasn't really the best boss in 3, which says alot because he was the worst main villain of the series. He needed so much more flushing out, and the mutant thing is not well explained.
Zhao and Baron were incredibly bland villains, Octavio and Lefwee were fucking awesome villains though both fights and personalities, first and last chapters were the best in 3.
No villain in Sly history will ever be dumber than this fuck though, even 4 haters can't budge me on this right?
>>339452601
Oh fuck yeah those ones too, especially trying to get Platinum relics on them, fuck that shit.
>3 is my favorite Sly game
>I thought 4 was a giant pile of shit, even taken on its own merits
I even know that 2 is the best one of the bunch, because it expanded the core gameplay into something really great, it's also long as fuck which is rare for a platformer.
Still love 3.
>>339452264
>The 3D in 3
Holy shit don't remind me
The glasses never fucking worked
It's just a shitty Red and Blue filter
>>339452738Wanna use your optimizer goggles?
>>339452654
I think you're right, 4s Bentley seemed a bit too fast.
>>339452537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDDpT6QG_Xc
From what I can tell, they weren't stealing from another criminal.
Who is the best Sly villain?
I'll go ahead and discount Clockwerk since that would be unfair.
>>339452664
The only thing Mask of Dark Earth ever did right, was give me a boner for climbing Giant Carmelita
>>339450462
varied environments-- smaller team with fewer minigames-- cop fox is finally a team member-- good graphics and visual presentation overall-- nicely animated cutscenes from the E-surance commercial studio
>>339452654
I actually preferred 4 bently. Hover Pack was an embarassment to the level design.
>>339452843
Fuck, that scene did give me funny feelings too. How the hell did it pass rating systems?
>>339452654
>>339452805
I always thought controlling a crippled character in a platformer was a neat concept. Sucker Punch handled the physics very great, to a point where it honestly felt like Sly2!Bentley on wheels.
Have more games done this?
>>339453021
To this day it still baffles me how they decided to go with crippling Bentley.
Hopes for Sly 5? It'll happen right?
>>339452842
I loved that LeParadox was like Sly, except a completely slimy, unlikeable, arrogant asshole.
His whole arc in 4 was about his father's failure festering in him to the point it made him a better criminal.
He then gathers an army and creates an ingenious plot to make himself the weathiest and most powerful man alive through time travel and stabs everyone he works with right in the back.
He even drags the Cooper family into the plot and that fucking petty hubris leads to the whole thing falling apart, kinda Shakespearean in a way, shame his fight was shit.
He's not as Perfect a rival as Clockwork though, clockwork is a disturbingly perfect villain, they even kept him in 4.
>>339451989
>somebody else likes LaParadox
thank you
for a final fight against someone who essentially has all of Sly's abilities, you'd think it could have been great
>>339453402
>>339453432
w o a h
>>339453021
I loved how well they packed everything into Bentley's wheelchair. You could knock a guy out, wheel over and take all his cash, then plunk bombs all around him, and by the time he started coming to he'd get blown to shit.
Just felt so good.
>>339453463
Do I have a clone?
Is this the plot to Sly 6?
Miss Decibel didnt deserve her fate desu
Okay
So now we have 5 different voice actors for Carmelita
Sly 1,2,3, Playstation Allstars, and 4
Which was the best?
>>339453587
I'm starting to think Carmelita having a different voice everytime is now the big meme of the series.
It probably wasn't planned that way at first but now it's pretty blatant.
>>339453587
I want to say 2>1>4>3 I can't remember which one lost the accent but that's at the bottom.
>>339453587
Grey Delisle, Sly 4, easy, no contest
>>339453587
That's tough.
1 was too quiet and monotone, 2 was too american, 3 was bitchy and 4 made her sound like a fat mexican woman.
>>339453716
>Ranks 2's the highest
>2's was the one with no latina accent whatsoever
>>339453882
It was 2? I played 2 and 3 in rapid succession of each other so I couldn't remember.
3>1>4>2 then
>>339453802
its a shame Carmelita looked like shit in 4.
how did they fuck her up so badly?
>>339453934
Listen for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEMji0nr0tg
>>339450462
2>4>1>>>>>3
3 is honestly kind of actually bad.
Half-baked minigames and gimmicks bloat the game and make up nearly all of its content
A bloated cast turns the game into an episodic Ocean's Eleven sort of setup, with the episode villains having literally nothing to do with the actual plot (compare to the other three games)
Bosses have bloated health bars making the fight more of a waste of time than anything else
Basically, they should have named it Sly 3: Bloat Among Thieves
>>339452018
You can hear him talk through the crystal in the hideout sometimes.
>>339452035
Murray had like 20 times the destructive power of Guru on top of a guard in Sly 2 when he was under the spice
It was a stupid gimmick and Murray was more than capable of pulling it off.
Just like Bentley was more than capable of piloting Penelope's RC vehicles or setting explosives on par with Panda King's.
The only gang member that was even remotely unique was Dimitri, and his gameplay was complete trash.
>>339452664
The mask is the epitome of Sly 3's lazy-ass writing
>Gotta go to Australia to get Guru
>WOW
>IT JUST SO HAPPENS
>THERE'S A HUGE DIG WHERE WE NEED TO BE
>IT JUST SO HAPPENS
>THIS EVIL MASK IS LITERALLY RIGHT HERE AND IT'S BEING DUG UP JUST AS WE ARRIVE
>>339454149
>>339453934
>I post a shitty comparison vid
>an even better comparison vid is in the suggestion bar
FUG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWH9droDoaU
>>339453587
Holy shit your serious?
Make that 6 given that the movie still exists and no doubt they will put her in it
>>339453587
Sly 2. Best actress easily. She knew exactly how Carmelita should speak, her canter and intonation.
And I really hate the accent in the other games. I get it, she's Latina, but it sounds awful and I'm pretty sure only one time was she actually voiced by a Latina.
>>339454289
I think 4 ranks higher than I thought, the rage makes it.
Am i the only one wholiked Demitri's missionsin sly 3?
>>339454393
>No accent one was best
>>339454528
IKR, Grey just captures the "I'm so fucking pissed of at this ring-tail" attitude so perfectly in her delivery. And she actually puts on an accent.
I never played 2 for whatever reason
So maybe that's why i was so attached to 3 more with it's improvements
Getting Panda King in your team was Nice
Fighting Mugshot with Carmelita was Nice
The overworlds were fun as fuck with fuck around with all 3 characters, especially Cripple Benlty and all their upgrades
>>339454664
>No accent one was best
Yes. Is there a problem? She's the best actress (except Grey, I guess, but her accent is fucking awful and I just hear Paz anyway) and her voice absolutely fits Carmelita's character.
>>339454649
I liked them. I can't even see anything particularly wrong with them other than first-person movement being typically awful with a controller.
It's not perfect, but it played alright and the segments were fairly short once you wrapped your mind around the controls.
>>339454649
I liked the concept more than the actual gameplay of his segments. Motherfucker turned out to be quite a badass.
>>339452842
Dimitri
>>339454861
Not really, she sounds like a beat cop out of L.A. and not a latin Interpol agent. Yeah the voice is sexy and sounds nice but it doesn't fit nearly as well as Grey's. She just sounds too generic. But OK no agreeing on this one then.
>>339455117
He was way better as an ally than a villain though. Still a funny villain.
>>339455159
>She just sounds too generic.
>Grey fucking DeLisle doesn't
wew
And while Carmelita is undeniably ethnically Spanish/Latina, there is no canon as to where she was born or grew up in, and therefore no reason to assume she HAS to have a Spanish/Latin accent.
I mean dang, for all we know Sly is French (Paris seems to be his "home") but him, Bentley and Murray all speak in General American.
>>339455693
>Grey is generic
Fuck I was gonna calm this shit down but if you think Mandy sounds like Daphne sounds like Azula sounds like Wonder Woman you are fucking deaf.
>>339455878
You can have several voices and still sound generic.
Grey DeLisle doesn't exist in a vacuum where she can only be compared to herself.
remember that sly 3 job where you fucking blew up vampires
>>339456208
Oh yeah, the hopping vampires.
>>339456208
remember that sly 2 mission where you kill mooks en masse with instruments of torture and execution
>>339456208
Remember that Sly 3 job where Bentley fucking drugged a wolf and then used it to murder dozens of innocent ACES contestants just to give the Cooper Gang an advantage in the finals?
>>339456208
remember in Sly 4 where Murray dressed up like a geisha and got fucked by a tiger?
>>339456724
It was the security, but 3 was still the worst sly.
............And the Security still assaulted you in broad daylight.
>>339456208
Remember that Sly 2 job where Murray wore a moose head trophy and all the moose didn't notice
>>339456849
Remember that Sly 2 job where Sly Murray Bentley disguised themselves as ducks and Jean Bison actually did notice and then blew them all the fuck out in a single hit and THEN raided their hideout and sold all the macguffins you've been collecting thus far to arpeggio?
Fucking based.
>>339456937
Sly 2 is one of the greatest games of all time
>>339457025
my only problem with playing the old Sly games again is that there's no option to reverse the camera controls. I guess my muscle memory wasn't too set in stone back in the day.
>>339456760
The Geisha Mission was funny as shit.
Remember when Bently actually convinced Carmelita to do a belly dance to distract guards at a door? In Sly 4
>>339456937
Remember when the game set up Arpeggio to be this diabolical big bad but then he just sorta dies
>>339457168
Remember when that was completely pointless because she was distracting two dudes that could have been disposed of in so many other ways that would've been quicker and less time-consuming?
Good times.
>>339457261
Three dudes, but come on anon they were LeParadox's Shadow Guard!
>>339457261
>quicker and less time-consuming
Remember when I was a redundant faggot? Good times.
>>339452842
Contessa easily
>>339457336
Was it three? I don't remember. And what the hell was so different about them, they looked identical to the other big flashlight guards in the level.
Can't tell me the combined force of Sly, Bentley, Murray and Carmelita couldn't have dealt with three guards.
>>339457460
But anon, SHADOW GUARD! Tough is too sissy a word to describe them.
>people saying 3 is the worst in the series
It's literally 2 but with useless charcters added in. Even then they were at least more diverse than the ancestors. Thieves had potential but the gameplay was nothing special and the story completely floundered
>>339457584
Did they even have a different model? A different TEXTURE?
>>339457769
SHADOW GUARD! SHADOW GUARD!
Come back here you witch!
>>339457460
They wouldn't be the first time Sly has made "special" guards out of identical models.
>>339457729
>more diverse
>two of them were recycled bosses and one was bently's RC minigames shoved onto another person for no reason
>Implying 4's gameplay could ever get as bad as 3's gimmicapalooza
>>339457904
I realize you're quoting the game directly, but I don't remember a lick of it.
>>339457972
Those special guards usually only had keys or something. I can't remember a specific instance where they were invincible or too tough to fight.
>>339457729
>It's literally 2 but with useless charcters added in
And worse boss design
And empty hubs
And a million gimmick and minigame jobs
>they were at least more diverse than the ancestors
That was the problem. They were all one-dimensional characters whose moveset pretty much comprised of movement and their one special skill.
Most of them were actually rehashes of abilities or purposes that the main gang could do in earlier games.
The ancestors, while basically just being Sly reskins (but then again, they ARE his ancestors), had things that made them different but were actual full characters and actually felt good to play with.
Only problem is that some of them knew thief moves that they chronologically shouldn't have. Like Salim knowing how to ninja spire jump hundreds of years before Ryoichi pioneered it.
>>339458106
The point was unfightable guards guarding the MaGuffin has been in even the best Sly Cooper games, so it's hard to just call out 4 for that moment.
>>339457240
>Clockwerk
>Dead
>Arpeggio
>Dead
>LeFwee
>Dead
Jesus, Sucker Punch really hates birds. Surprised General Tsao got out alive.
>>339458462
They were too chicken to kill him off
>>339458512
I know it's you, Carlos
>>339458297
It's in other games, but I remember it having a better justification than "they're really strong so you can't fight them."
I remember 2 having some bits where alerting the guards would make them smash their keys, that was enough of a reason.
If it had a better gameplay-servicing reason and didn't just make you do some garbage rhythm game while a crummy 3D fox has a seizure to the delight of three monkeys.
I still need to play 3 before I can touch 4. I remember playing 2 before 1 - I played it a bit every now and then at an after-school center in late elementary school, so when I got a system that could play PS2 games I bought a pre-owned copy and played through it. I got the HD collection a few years ago so I could play the rest of the series, but after playing Sly 1 and plat trophying it I kinda got burnt out halfway through Sly 2 since I had already played it.
I've got Sly 4 thanks to PS+ a few years ago... I'd really love to play it on my Vita, but I'm too lazy to plug my PS3 back in. Maybe I should just grab the Sly Collection for Vita or something.
What do people think of Panda Kingas a character because his gameplay style was shit?
>>339458665
That was the only justification for the Shadow Guard in Sly 2 though. They were just too tough, therefore war were declared.
>>339458559
Guess who bitch?
>>339459042
Wait, that was 2?
What world was that in, I can't remember shit.
>>339459184
episode 5 with the contessa and neyla war
>>339459264
See I thought we were talking about Thieves in Time all along.
If that's the case, then why were those three monkeys such a threat?
>>339459184
They were the three vultures squatting next to contessa in the Neyla vs. Contessa chapter. Bently even says the too tough quote when you take their picture and it's made a plot point of the entire chapter that you can't fight those 3 vultures.
>>339459408
I was making a JOKE about it using the Shadow Guard, because that was the most obvious comparison. Because they were extra tough monkies then, it's nothing new to the franchise.
>>339459506
I'll concede that yeah, super-tough guards have been a thing through most of the series, but that doesn't fix the problem that they could've done ANYTHING ELSE besides stupid rhythm game nonsense that went on for an eternity.
It was really only like two minutes but it felt like an eternity.
>>339454393
>She knew exactly how Carmelita should speak, her canter and intonation.
nope. Go back and play it again and listen to Carmelita any time she's on screen. There's so many awkward pauses and just flat readings that made the final cut, that it's almost a parody of itself.
I'll agree that she does have the best accent. But as for the canter, cadence, and intonation, it's hands down one of the worst out of the series
Game was good design wise
Biggest problems were lack of challenge and the final boss
One of the better sequels not made by the original company desu, sanzaru did good would buy sly 5
>>339459000
I always thought it was kinda bullshit how you get to play as Panda King in 3 but he's nowhere near as strong as he was in 1.
>>339454528
It's probably because Grey DeLise is one of the most seasoned and versatile female voice actors around. So with all the reference material she has available and her skills as a VA, she can actually deliver a quality performace.
Every other VA for Carmelita doesn't have nearly as much experience as she does, so obviously they're going to sound worse than her take on it.
>>339460358
Mah Ringtail
4 was poorly written and paced overall and not nearly as clever as the rest of the series, which gives it a distinctly fanfiction-like feel.
The first level is the best one, worst is easily 10000 BC. That said, the game is well made and fairly fun to play
>>339460873
Agreed. Except I thought the Medieval level was better than the first one
>>339460873
>Best level not the Wild West episode
>>339462607
>Vatnik that wanted to be real american cowboy
I sort of liked it but the instant I realized what they were doing with Cop Fox and Tennessee it dropped like a rock.
>>339463412
Stimpy armadillo was a funny as shit villian tho.
goddamn did the character designer for Carmelita in 4 have an anorexia fetish
>>339463706
Bitch looks like an ASPCA commercial.
>>339453965
What could have been...
>>339463868
I know that the cutscene animations were done by the e-surance guys but you're telling me no one looked at that and thought, "Dude you can see her fucking ribs and you might as well just remove the jacket because it's so open it just looks stupid."
>>339464304
The ingame model is atrocious while the cutscene translation is easily the best version of her. How do you fuck up that much.cutscene wise 4>1>2>3, voice wise 4>1>3=2, ingame wise 2=3>1>4
>>339454289
I love her voice in Sly 4. She has the most personality and I like how she sounds like a mix between pissed off and horny.
>>339464571
I can agree with those spoilers completely.
>>339464553
That's better, but considering the starting point it's hard to do worse. Face looks off but that's probably just the editing.
>>339456724
Sly 3 is ironically named "Honor Among Thieves" because Sly and the gang have almost no honor at all in it. They're downright sadistic and murderous in several parts.
MAMA MIA
I WANNA BE BURIED IN HER SAUCE
ITSA HEAVEN
>>339465223
She's locked up in irons and there she stays, until she agrees to love me....despite all my faults.
>>339452654
Sly 3 also did pirate navy battle before AC4
>>339464985
The original starting point was Genevieve Tsai's concept art, which I think looks great. The 2D petite did a fine job translating it into something suitable for flush animation, but the 3D modelers unfortunately didn't seem to know what they were doing. They probably had environmental modelers pulling double duty and doing character modeling.
>>339465047
>mission in Australia where you help a crocodile eat guards who only want to drink lemonade all day
>Boss fight that caused innocent children to get into macro
>Mission where you fool a deluded old man into thinking your his long lost friend just to get some bullshit info that didn't even matter
>Mission where you steal the peg leg off a disabled pirate
3 was pretty fucked up man
>They will never bring back Carmelita Sandiego
That's a suave coat right there.
>>339465678
What kind of weenie is allergic to tomatoes?
>>339465969
The kind who is also an asthmatic.
