Is this about right, /v/?
>>339396139
Why do people make these so often? I get it you understand the most basic concepts of D&D, us nerds right?
The fuck is this about Hanzo being true neutral and Bastion being chaotic neutral? Bastion just wants to be left alone by everyone, Hanzo is/was a criminal and sees himself beyond redemption.
>>339396139
>reinhardt
>not best husbando
0/10
>>339396139
stop fucking making these
>>339396139
Hanzo is a villain, how the fuck is Widowmaker Lawful Evil? Symmetra's Lawful Evil if anything.
>>339396139
>I'm the fucking Russian SJW
Reaper is the only chaotic evil character, really. And junkrat is just chaotic, I doubt he cares about the way he goes about it.
>>339396667
>how the fuck is Widowmaker Lawful Evil?
Someone's gotta fill the space.
>Symmetra's Lawful Evil if anything.
?
>>339396139
put bastion into true neutral
put junkrat into chaotic neutral
reaper into chaotic evil
widowmaker into neutral evil
mccree into lawful evil
Reaper is Chaotic Evil
Symmetra is Lawful Evil
Widowmaker is Neutral Evil
Junkrat is Chaotic Neutral
Bastion is True Neutral
Symmetra is Chaotic Evil
Reinhardt is Lawful Evil
Mei is Neutral Evil
Reaper is Chaotic Neutral
Hanzo is True Neutral
>>339396139
Symmetra is lawful evil because she does terrorism so she can get her way to "save" people with her companies contracts. She even set out to use her superior technology to purposely blackmail a dude so she could force the contract on him
Widowmaker is Neutral Evil as hell. Shes a brainwashed, cold hearted (literally), no feelings(literally), assassin who murdered who own husband of 10 years in bed, and now does acts for her masters willingly without question because she doesn't know any better.
>>339396139
>Soldier 76 lawful good
Literally a terrorist
Reaper is Chaotic Good
Symmetra is Lawful Goodl
Widowmaker is Neutral Good
Junkrat is Lawful Neutral
Bastion is Neutral Evil
>>339397039
Agree with this except Reaper would also be NE. There aren't really any CE characters in Overwatch.
>>339397225
>Symmetra = chaotic
>>339396667
Symmetra is just lawful. She has no idea about all the horrible stuff her company does. She was effectively kidnapped by them and is sheltered from the truth so she stays loyal. Even still she's had her doubts about them. She only wants to help people, and she believes that she's doing so, but she wonders if maybe she's causing more harm than good.
All it would take to get her to turn on her company is a chance meeting with Lucio.
>>339397225
Symettra is Lawful Evil
how the fuck is Rein evil at all? He's Neutral good
Bastion is Chaotic Evil
Reaper is Lawful Evil
Symmetra is Neutral Evil
Widowmaker is Chaotic Neutral
Junkrat is True Neutral
>>339397420
Symmetra isn't really evil though. I'd say she's lawful neutral
Reaper is Chaotic Evil
Symmetra is Chaotic Evil
Widowmaker is Chaotic Evil
Junkrat is Chaotic Evil
Bastion is Chaotic Evil
>>339397413
>All it would take to get her to turn on her company is a chance meeting with Lucio.
I wonder if they have any pre-game banter. I've never been on a team with the two simultaneously.
>>339397413
>All it would take to get her to turn on her company is a chance meeting with Lucio.
I wonder what their dialogues are. I play Symmetra a fair bit and she still hasn't chatted with the Lucio yet as far as I've noticed.
Reaper is Evil
Symmetra is Lawful
Widowmaker is True Neutral
Junkrat is True Neutral
Bastion is True Neutral
>>339397413
Symmetra does know the shit her company pulls
Did you even read the (shitty) comic?
Widowmaker is chaotic neutral
Soldier 76 is chaotic neutral
Junkrat is chaotic neutral
Bastion is chaotic neutral
Mei is chaotic neutral
Reaper is chaotic neutral
Hanzo is chaotic neutral
Genji is chaotic neutral
Zenyatta is chaotic neutral
Roadhog is chaotic neutral
Rienhardt ischaotic neutral
Symmetra is chaotic neutral
Tracer is chaotic evil
Winston is chaotic neutral
McCree is chaotic neutral
>>339397628
>>339397675
Lucio: "Blah blah people should be free"
Symmetra: "What you call freedom is an illusion that does more harm than good"
>>339396139
junkrat isn't evil, he even tried to go legit, if anything he's chaotic neutral
>>339397349
The only possibly CE character I can think of is possibly Roadhog, but I don't know SFA about the characters below the surface.
>>339396850
>Doesn't know Sym is an enforcer to an evil corps who believes in the greater good.
Don't make these if you don't know the characters.
Bastion is Neutral Neutral, btw. He just wants to be left alone.
Good and evil don't exist.
>>339398451
If they genuinely believe they're accomplishing the greater good then they hit one of the many common grey areas of D&D morality. Ultimately in those circumstances it's just up to the DM at what point they're so misguided they jump to Evil. Really this discussion is mostly just fueled by how shit the 3x3 is at morality.
>>339396139
they're all chaotic neutral
(Where do I pick up on all the lore you guys are spitting out?)
>>339398451
that sounds like Judge Dredd type shit, in which case they'd probably be LN
>>339396552
>>339398451
>Bastion just wants to be left alone by everyone
He also goes into alert mode automatically whenever he sees someone and tries to kill them
>>339396667
>Hanzo is/was a criminal
Exactly, he's shown to be p neutral because he's an ex-criminal but doesn't fight for good or evil now, likely just for himself and against his brother
He literally turns down Widowmaker's offer to join Talon to restore his clan's honor by saying "at what cost"
>>339399651
Mostly the small lore blurbs each character has (see the wiki), and the in-game interactions.
For instance, neither Reaper or Mercy's page has a direct link to each other, but in game it's implied that Mercy was the one who brought Reaper back from the dead but fucked up the process and made him a monster.
>>339398515
Not objectively sure, but how we perceive reality is always subjective, and so is morality.
>>339397235
>Symmetra is lawful evil because she does terrorism so she can get her way to "save" people
If someone is doing a smaller evil for a greater good, it hardly makes them evil; See: Soldier 76.
She's autistic, and she's done the math. The math states she can help more people with a few dirty deeds.
>>339396139
>reaper
>neutral evil
he fights for mexico though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_RUUIwt5oQ
>>339400709
>smaller evil for a greater good
Burning down a ghetto with the people still inside because they couldn't legally take control of it is not "smaller evil"
Taking over neighborhoods under the pretense of restoring them and then putting the inhabitants under strict corporate enforced laws while exploiting them for cheap labor is not "Greater good"
>>339397476
>Junkrat
>not chaotic
>>339401346
But she didn't burn down the ghetto, her company did. All she was doing was trying to dig up dirt, and when she failed to find dirt her company set a literal fire instead of a legal fire.
She asked if they did it and they denied it, too.
She may be second guessing her being in the company, but that's about it.
>>339397942
>>339398918
Wouldn't that describe the TF2 characters?
>>339396139
No, Bastion is True Neutral, Hanzo is Lawful Neutral
>>339396139
Can name four movies where Reinhardt is a bad guys name. Finally, a Reinhardt is the good guy.I no longer have a bad guy name.
>>339401858
It's almost like Overwatch is some sort of TF2 clone. Hmmmmm.....
>>339401346
I don't know if we're still talking about D&D morality or something broader at this point, but purely in terms of D&D, Lawful Evil implies a certain amount of malice; that you also enjoy the bullying, on top of whatever retroactive justifications you might tell yourself. Lawful Neutral entities can be plenty ruthless.I even potentially agree those actions will have the intended consequences.
>>339402056
>>339401963
>bastion
>not chaotic neutral
He randomly goes into attack mode around people and starts trying to kill them, hence why he is a hermit.
Hanzo isn't lawful, if he was he wouldn't have broken the rules of his clan. Being a wandering assassin doesn't exactly scream lawful, either.
I think 76 should be neutral good
>>339396380
They're fun.
This about right, /v/?
>>339397235
>>339400709
Shes worse than lawful evil
Metzin got ahold of her and has already started her "corruption" path.
>Chris Metzen has hinted at Symmetra possessing ulterior motivations. Symmetra is not an "evil" character in the same vein as Reaper or Widowmaker, though her actions could lead individuals within the setting to view her as a villain.
>>339402056
I meant, like, waaaaaayyyy moreso than Overwatch. OW actually has some semblance of lawfulness and morality to at least a few the characters. TF2's are all undevoted psychopaths.
Nothing good ever comes out of alignment charts
Please do not do this
>>339402325
Eh, close enough. Still don't agree with Symmetra being Evil though. Just the really cold, consequentialist end of Lawful neutral.
>>339402353
>le metzen boogieman
We're talking about established lore, not your headcanon of what the character is going to do.
Symmetra is Lawful Neutral, she cares more about making the world a better place statistically than morals or evils.
>>339402498
Fun discussions come out of them, and lo, here we are in a discussion forum.
>>339402548
that was an actual quote from metzin. Thats not head canon nor boogyman.
>>339402653
Yes, because people talk about themselves in the third person.
Besides, that "path of corruption" hasn't started yet, and we're discussing established lore. Please leave with your headcanon.
>>339402653
Even that Metzin quote perfectly well describes a LN character. LE implies malice.
>>339402325
Bastion randomly goes in and out of assault mode when around human beings and tries to kill them, so he is definitely chaotic neutral.
Again, Symmetra isn't evil, just really lawful and views the world as statistics and math rather than morals and emotions, being autistic and not really understanding other people that well.
>>339402813
>http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/blizzcon-2014-overwatch-unveiled-panel-transcript/3
>We have “Symmetra”, who has the technology– we call it like hard light technology. She is able to weave hard-light constructs and kind of creates turrets and teleporters and things all over the map, and a support role for her group. She literally weaves reality together from light and so she is definitely the kind of person who believes she is shaping a much better world.
>However I wonder about her true motivations to be honest with you.
And
>http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/reddit-qa-about-solider-76-overwatch
>Don’t worry. There are more villains out there. There are also some characters, like Symmetra, for example, who aren’t as full-blown evil as Widowmaker or Reaper, but who could be seen as a villain from a certain point of view. She thinks she’s serving the greater good of humanity, but is she?
Its not head canon shit. Their going the "trying to do good by evil methods". Its arthas tier corruption. Im sorry you cant accept that all metzin writes is corruption.
>>339403105
>However I wonder about her true motivations to be honest with you.
soounds neutral to me
>There are also some characters, like Symmetra, for example, who aren’t as full-blown evil as Widowmaker or Reaper,
soounds neutral to me
>seen as a villain from a certain point of view. She thinks she’s serving the greater good of humanity, but is she?
soounds neutral to me
>>339403105
>Their going the "trying to do good by evil methods".
Classic LN overlord character.
>>339403243
Sounds like your an idiot then, friend.how do you fuck up the spelling of sound.
>>339403356
it's adding extra o's for emphasis you autist
for instance, someone typing : "oh my goooooood" for emphasis instead of just "oh my god"
I also like how you criticize me for misspelling a word and then say "your an idiot"
nice job m'lady.
>>339403653
Well played, dipshit.
Well played.
>>339398515
Why are you posting a Tekken character
>>339397235
>Symmetra
>Lawful
but pooing in the street is a crime
>>339396139
TF2?
>>339402943
>LE implies malice.
No, LE and evil in general implies selfishness. The goal of an evil character is not "fuck those guys", its "i'm getting me some, what those guys get don't matter". You could have not one bit of hatred or malice and still be an evil character if you value yourself too far above others. Pride is the ultimate sin.
>>339396729
>sjw
>the character that hates minorities
If Symmetra isn't evil than who's going to fill the LE space?
Someone should make a spectrum chart; rigid definitions don't seem to be working.
>>339404437
>No, LE and evil in general implies selfishness. The goal of an evil character is not "fuck those guys", its "i'm getting me some, what those guys get don't matter".
Doesn't at all describe Symmetra. And I disagree, there's a certain necessary aspect of bullying or "build myself up by tearing you down" inherent in Evil that's similar to malice or misanthropy.
>>339404209
ha ha good one bro
>>339404441
>>339396729
We really don't have any idea what SJW means anymore.
>>339396139
>>339404759
I dunno, maybe put Widow into LE as a contractor, Reaper to NE, then I dunno about CE. What does Roadhog get up to?
>>339397413
Except she does know, she just tries to convince herself it's all for the greater good and the ends justify the means
