Without over exaggerating or le movie meme,name one thing bad about this game.
Go ahead,I'll wait.
Framerate is very choppy in parts
Act 3
Bossfight on the clocktower
Loading times.
No sexy MGS1 sneaking suit.
They gave Snake his young face, but he's still stuck with the old man suit, it's depressing.
For some reason he decided to make it end of a chapter cut scene, then mission briefing and finally the next chapter opening cut scene. Im pretty sure between some chapters is like 30 mins with no gameplay.
Having said that I love the game and have beaten it 30 times but holy shit did he fuck up putting the missions briefings in the game like that
Levels are too short. The first two chapters are the peak of the game's quality.
i bought it, and later that day my dad went to prison. fuck mgs4 guns of the poop-triots
PS3 exclusive
Extremely linear level design. No time to revisit locations and backtrack.
>>339388831
The rest of the game is not like Act 1 or 2. Seriously, all those cutscenes would be more tolerable if they had this kind of gameplay between them.
Too many cutscenes even by MGS standards. Poorly written even by Kojima standards. Gameplay, boss fights (still kind of lacking compared to the other three) and replay value mostly made up for it though. Still better than the abominations that were Peace Walker and MGS V though.
>>339388831
there's barely any unique objectives. you just go to point A to B without a hassle. at least in MGS1 you got to like have card keys or do something shits like that. that's missing in MGS4. you just head straight to the goal without any much challenge not counting those forced fights and boss fights by the way. there mediocre to be honest
>>339389445
You lose. You broke the rules.
>>339389748
>>339389708
Come back when you can read.
Story
Length
Bland color palette
Shitty plot
Raping the story from the previous games
Retcons
Giving BB the worst VA imaginable and fucking his face up
Loading times
Some of the bosses
Campiness turned into fucking cringe
>>339388831
Big Boss is still alive at the end, which pretty much undermines the entire course of events through the Solid series and makes the whole damn saga pointless as fuck.
>>339389774
What did I say that triggered you?
>>339388831
It's a third person shooter.
I don't care if taking the third person perspective is what's keeping it alive.
>>339389748
PW is objectively the best MGS tho
I hope no one falls to the bait above my post.
Acts 1 and 2 were the only parts of the game with compelling gameplay. after that it was all linear setpieces and movies.
>>339389872
>>339389774
>tell me why the game is bad without telling me why it's bad
Maybe you should go back to school first, kiddo
>buzzword
>buzzword
>buzzword
>buzzword
>buzzword
Holy fuck,how am I only realising now just how retarded all of you are?
>>339389883
Also fucking Johnny and Sunny
More than any other Metal Gear, you can run through the game and win. There's no mission objective other than get to the end of the level.
>>339389904
>undermines the entire course of events
It was implied that BB is alive since MGS 1.
>>339388831
Before MGS5 i would say that the pacing is bad. Now i see that the game is almost perfect.
>>339388831
Gameplay as insubstantial as fuck after chapter 2.
>>339388831
Act 3 sure is bad but if we're being honest the final fight with Liquid/Ocelot is the greatest conclusion to any media franchise ever created.
>>339389774
Between act 3-4 and 4-5 is around 30 mins of cut scenes in both its not an over exaggeration
>>339390051
>Maybe you should go back to school first, kiddo
The cringe is real
>>339388831
the plot consists solely of explanations of plots to previous games, making the plot of MGS4 feel like shit
>>339389872
Too many cutscenes and not enough gameplay are its major problems. What gameplay is there is good, but there just isn't enough of it to make it better than the the first three. It's impossible to talk about 4 without referring to it as being "a movie", since it's the games biggest flaw.
It's too bad that you're too much of a fanboy faggot to realize that.
>>339390404
>I'm triggered
Oh well
>>339390327
Not when your big bossing it on the hardest setting. Only way to play 4. It made me love the game even more.
>>339388831
Didn't like that every NPC's accent was American, despite the fact that the PMC groups nationalities were clearly laid out: British, French, Russian, etc.
Not to mention resistance fighters, Middle East, South America, etc.
>>339390345
>the final fight with Liquid/Ocelot is the greatest conclusion to any media franchise ever created
why? It's a fight with literally no purpose to happen and it plays using controls that don't exist in the rest of the game. It has literally none of the strengths of the series besides the music and the UI.
Is that why you liked it, anon? Because the health bars kept changing and music was playing and you remembered better games?
>>339388831
Octocamo was bullshit
>>339390314
It is not implied anywhere that big boss is alive at any point after the zanzibar land uprising in any game released before mgs4.
It's just a shitty twist for the sake of having a twist. Him being alive undermines liquids motivation of 1, which implies that there's even more Patriots fuckery afoot than was previously realized, to the point where EVERYTHING post Zanzibar is just a clever trick by the patriots. May as well say the whole thing was a dream at that point, it's fucking stupid.
>>339388831
MGO2 servers are down.
Act 3 is utter trash and Act 5 is too short
The on-rails segment was a huge mark against an otherwise great Act 2
>>339390667
THIS. The final boss of mgs4 is just a cheap Nostalgia bait that's abandon the core Stealth gameplay to turn into contextual qte fighting game
>>339389942
Maybe if you hate traditional MGS games. I don't see how any true fan could prefer V or Peace Walker to the first four games. The people that praise V in particular, always make me wonder if it wasn't their first MGS game.
>>339390529
>many cutscenes and not enough gameplay are its major problems.
Try to play on Boss and without tranq crutch.
There is more gameplay than in previous games.
>>339390667
Because it's 100% pure fanservice and that's literally the entire reason the MGS games are good.
If all I cared about was good stealth gameplay I'd just play Splinter Cell. It's better in every single way in terms of gameplay
>>339388831
the Solid Eye is too useful to take out of your item slot. You're at a massive disadvantage using the box, barrel, ipod or any item that isn't the Eye or noob rations.
The game can't fix this problem, so it exchanges it for an equal problem in chapter 3 by forcing you to use the transmitter
>>339390575
The game was half baked as fuck. I still get mad that the location names in this game are things like "south america" and "the middle east" when every other game has very specific locations (even if about half of them are fantasy)
Sub 20fps in a lot of places and 60 in others. Too jarring.
writing's especially bad
>adam and eve bullshit
>platitudes (like above) out the ass
>meryl and johnny rolling around on each other planning their wedding
>snake literally standing next to raiden saying "i'm a shadow"
>no more patriot AI interaction
>really takes a shit after act 2
>revisiting shadow moses is ruined by annoying fucking robots
>drebin & monkey sucks; exposition dumps after every boss fight
>no one speaks like a human being in this fucking game; fate, the apple, nanomachines
>should've ended with snake killing himself
>soundtrack has zero input from norihiko hibino
>no tomokazu fukushima
I'm not as sour as I used to be with MGS4. It's fun and playing a well realized "old man" in a video game is unique. I've also always loved the series realization of CQC and the ways the characters conduct themselves, through their military advisor Motosada Mori.
MGS1=MGS2>MGS3>MGS4>>>>>>>>>TPP>PW
>ignore this glaring flaw which ruins the entire "game"
ok bud :^)
>>339390938
>No true scotsman
Shut the fuck up faggot
>>339390938
>no true MGS fan
I'm sorry mgsv actually relied on being a video game instead of a movie game.
It added MGS3 to the overarching plotline of The Patriots for no reason, and possibly in the dumbest way thinkable.
I blame MGS3 for being a worthless filler homage, but MGS4 is the real stake in the heart.
>>339388831
It was a continuation of the worst MGS game. Ifitweren't forthe vastly improved gameplay it'd belong under a mountain of shit like 2, aka babies first politics.
>>339390931
Its a remake of the fight from MGS1, its the exact same thing. Was it that shitty in 1?
>>339391019
Yeah, you're right, I never even thought about that.
Weirdest one is the 'Europe' location, which is clearly Prague.
>>339389942
not sure if worth calling it the best i think it was alright spin off in gameplay perspective
>>339389209
Emulating this is gonna be a pain
The game is capped at 60fps while running at 30fps most of the time
On one hand it supports 60fps perfectly, on the other you need twice the power or you'll play at half speed
I just want 60fps MGS4, PS4 port when?
>>339391245
>Average MGS3 fan
Naomi
>>339390931
> cheap Nostalgia bait
Holy fuck how can people miss the point so hard. I bet you also didn`t like Raiden in MGS2.
>>339388831
the whole everyone you ever met in the series is in this game felt forced as fuck
>>339390218
explain it better then faggot
>>339388831
NA got the FACES version of the cover art instead of OP pic in the traditional style of MGS
You have 500 badass guns to choose from, with an immense amount of customization and you'll only ever use the three fucking non-lethal weapons.
>>339391187
MGS isn't about overarching plot. Each game is an individual work that expresses its own theme, Kojima is not documenting a series of fictional events. Mgs3 is not filler because every game is meant to stand on its own except maybe mgs4, which is the worst one for that very reason.
>>339391279
Are you serious? Mgs1 didn't rely on contextual qtes. That fist fight was based entirely in the core gameplay
>>339391164
Too bad it was bad video game with shitty repetitive gameplay and almost no boss fights or memorable moments to speak of. I know you probably think of yourself as a MGS fan after playing V on your pc for the first time, but the rest of us want nothing to do with your kind.
>>339391279
Stop it now just let me be a contrarian memer and irrationally hate things. If other people like something it can't be good!
>>339391469
>but don't worry, after a cutscene where snake uses the m4 or the handgun, he'll have it equipped over your chosen primary so you have to go into the menu and fix your backpack.
that shit pissed me off immensely during non-lethal runs
>>339391362
Dude I love Raiden and understand that mgs4 is backhanded appeasement of the people who didn't like mgs2. That doesn't mean mgs4 final boss battle doesn't suck
>>339391547
MGS4 uses its fanservice and nostalgia to tell a story, and its great.
>>339391671
>first mgs strawman
Shows that you only likes MGS because it was your secret Club of incomprehensible movie games that let you feel like an enlightened euphoric Fedora Tipper
>>339391547
>The Patriots
>Not an overarching plot
>>339391743
I cant even understand what you just wrote, he said the end fight of 4 is shit but its a call back to the fight in 1 so I was curious if he didn't like the fight in 1 as well. No meme there at all just curious
>>339391921
It does a shit job of both since it fucked up the gameplay.
>>339391943
Why don't you go crawl around a desert for 12 hours.
>>339391349
>PS4 port when?
I'd be the first one to buy it if it ever came out
I loved that game
>>339391164
and it turned out to be a pretty bad video game, all things considered
unless you think "clear minefield 08" and "eliminate heavy patrol 12" is fantastic game design
mgsv probably could've had a better shot if it didn't go open world
>>339392039
it hardly is when they just redefine them to keep the story going
>they're a powerful secret group of men who control all information and have done so for centuries
>lol that makes no sense, it was actually Sigint and Zero. See? The story's all perfectly wrapped up now
>>339392039
The Patriots were originally never meant to be explained numbnuts. they were specifically included in MGS2 to be an unknowable organization. The very nature of the Patriots and Cipher change within each game to fit that individual theme.
>>339388831
the ending was garbage outside of that it's better than 2 and pw
>>339391652
There are only special move qtes in the fight most of the fight is fist to fist fighting combat. They also changed up the gameplay in 2 giving you sword combat all the games have stuff like that
>>339392318
>MGS6
>the patriots were actually time traveling Huey all along trying to prevent otacon from being born
>>339392182
The gameplay is also best in series.
>>339392318
Always thought Zero and co being the patriots was an intentional cop out for those who demanded explanations for MGS2
>>339392558
I'd be okay with that.
>Huey pushes himself down the stairs
>>339388831
Any part of act 3 that isn't the opening cutscene with snake and Meryl. Argue with that, you can't
>>339392716
That's exactly what it was. Everything in mgs4 is Kojima giving the shittiest answer possible to please idiots who didn't understand mgs2
So many people refuse to understand that MGS is not about a timeline it is about a series of individual games that's cover a different aspects of identity combined with meta-commentary on the nature of video games themselves
>>339392716
pretty much every "nanomachines" moment in MGS4 and all the powerpoint presentations making everything in MGS3 important (EVA was Solid and Liquid's mother, for one) felt like that
>>339392560
Infiltrating the same outpost and fulton extracting the same bunch of cunts for the 50th time is not good game design. I think you meant to say that it has good mechanics, because that's all V has going for it.
>>339392318
When I think about it it really does suck
>Kojima makes MGS1 a generic action movie with the main character being a complete rip off from an action movie
>Make MGS2 to dissect Americas obsession with action stars and go as far as name snake the movie star you ripped him from
>Realize people aren't that smart and most of them actually like MGS1s story more than 2
>MGS3 is him going "ok you like action movies? Well here is james bond MGS"
I feel like thats how the series went. I consider 1 and 2 to be the same game, you cant experience 2 the way your suppose to if you haven't played 1 first. The rest of the games in the series are the result how people reacted to 1&2
>>339393157
Even if you take out the open-world shit and boil mgsv down to its most basic missions it still provides more content that is a lot more substantial than in any other MGS game.
>>339388831
I can't. It's literally one of my absolute favorite games of all time and people are way too fucked up an unappreciative about it.
>>339393287
>The game has more content
>I mean its shit but at least theres more of it
>>339393265
2 seemed more of an exploration on the purpose of a sequel and the expectations involved, and the meaning of the player in the context of the game, though the blind idolizing and hero figures is a part of it
>>339393265
That seems a little smarter than how they were really thinking.
>>339392980
Explains a lot , no idea why he felt the need to tie everything together , a lot of it seems even sillier now that 5 retroactively made Zero remorseful
>>339393287
More content, yes. More quality, hell no. The boss fights in 1 and 3 are far better than anything that V shits out in its hundred hours.
>>339393420
I think you mean MGS1-3 are your favorite games of all time and MGS4 is perfect nostalgia bait for someone that liked the series.
Sorry there's just no way someone could truly like MGS4 on its own. If 1-3 didn't exist it's a terrible game.
>>339393554
Boss fights are nice but they are not the core of a stealth game experience. And I genuinely believe the sniper skulls on Extreme are among the best bosses in the entire series.
>>339393465
No matter what your thoughts on 2 , it was risky as hell and the game gets mad respect for not taking the easy way out by giving fans what they want
>>339391547
>>339392318
>the president is the patriots
>zero is the patriots
>big boss is the patriots
>revolver ocelot is the patriots
>eva is the patriots
>ai is the patriots
>olga is the patriots
All that changes is that they reveal who else is part of, or working for the patriots.
>>339393645
>This game is my favorite game
>No,no,no I think you mean your favorite game is..
Go fuck yourself. Don't fucking tell me what I like and don't like
>>339393157
The mechanics alone are better than anything mgs4 has to offer. Even if you get bored with V I guarantee you can get more actual gameplay out of it before you get bored than if you completed 4.
>>339393651
But MGS was always more than just a stealth game , the boss fights are iconic for a reason , it gave the series a unique identity , especially since most games dont even bother with bosses , V seemed like they finally gave into the trend
>>339388831
>>339388831
replaying the third act more then once, its funny how kojima and the dev team didnt have like a backup cutscene or allow the player to run on ahead and enter the hideout i mean we all praise the TECHNOLOGY of the series this could have made it more bearable on repeat playthroughs.
>>339390219
Fuck off
>>339390227
Just play it the right way then you fuck. I hate it when people complain about something just because you can do it when you should just do it like you SHOULD of your own volition.
>>339390327
It still was like the perfect ending where the book should have been closed forever. The only better ending that could have happened was Kojima's original vision whereSnake and Otacon turn themselves in for breaking the law and are hanged while "Here's to You" plays.
>>339390452
No.
>>339390710
No.
>>339390667
>Is that why you liked it, anon? Because the health bars kept changing and music was playing and you remembered better games?
Just like go back to playing nintendo games already. Fucks like you are the worst.
>>339393743
Olga wasnt a patriot , she was blackmailed into working for them cause they threatend to kill her child
>>339393978
.t sonygger
>>339393645
Yeah I love all of the games. I still fucking think MGS4 was a masterpiece dude, I understand if you don't like nostalgia for whatever fucked up reason, but still no game did it better than this one. It was the ultimate conclusion to the saga that literally could only have been improved by Kojima's original ending.
>>339393875
Bro I'm not the one too stupid to understand why I think I like something here.
>>339393652
I absolutely agree. It really felt like Kojima realized he was on center stage and tried to make a point with it all. It must've taken balls of steel to convince Konami to publish doctored footage to trick customers into thinking Snake was the main character.
I kinda hoped he was going to do it again with V. At some point with all the ruses and false theories, with the brain transplant surgeon and the brilliantly edited trailers it really seemed like it was going to come together and end the series with a bang that would piss the world off.
And it kinda did, but it was so half-assed.
>>339393978
>No.
Did my statement hurt your brain little man? Did you even pay attention? 90% of the game was referencing previous shit from MGS1-3.
>>339394123
.t fuckin faggot go break your own neck trying to suck yourself you little fag
>>339393978
>It still was like the perfect ending where the book should have been closed forever
>can't even close spoiler tags
>thinks he can tell where to close a book
mgs4fags, everyone
>>339393645
This is bullshit, you can play 4 going crazy shooting everyone or try to sneak, you can look easter eggs and hidden stuff in the game. Most of the cut scenes and characters are really good and well made(a few aren't). There are soooo many ps3 games worse then 4 in every aspect, when it came out with MGO it was huge.
It was so popular that it got over praised as some people ignored the flaws and that is why people like you over hate it, to compensate for the people who over praised it. Its a solid 8/10 game on its own.
>>339394320
Yeah I paid attention. You wanna see who can be more of a faggot right now? Oh wait, it's definitely you because you're some of the gayest I've ever seen when it comes to taking the cake for faggotry.
Pacing
Cheap fanservice (DUN DUN DUN SHADOW MOSES)
>>339394426
Just keep crying about it.
>>339388831
not enough infiltration, too much car chase
crawling in a microwave
plot isn't good by itself
How is it possible for every single game in the metal gear series to be hated?
The closest to perfection is considered to be 1 because its the least hated one.
>mg1 and mg2 are too old
>mgs2 is 2deep4u
>mgs3 has useless gameplay mechanics
>mgs4 isn't a game
>mgsv has nothing
>>339394793
It's Kojima's opus, he actually made a war with no purpose and no end
>>339394695
>plot isn't good at all
Fixed it for you
>>339394793
MGS3 isn't actually hated outside of /v/ though. And /v/ has no legitimate points against it.
It's probably the greatest game ever created and it infuriates the tryhard hipster fucks on /v/. They want to pretend liking MGS2 because it's bad means they have superior taste.
It's like people that like Death Grips. They KNOW it's bad but they think liking it means they're appreciating the medium more.
>>339394562
>You wanna see who can be more of a faggot right now?
>proceeds to prove himself as an obvious faggot
well played
>>339395093
>/v/ has no legitimate points against it
>It's probably the greatest game ever created
you seem like just the person who'd be open to legitimate criticism on MGS3I bet you only play with the subsistence camera
>>339394235
Actually liked the twist in V , problem is it had no build up and the game just kind of ended , wish they had shown us Solid Snake killing Venom like in MG1 , that would have bought it full circle
>>339388831
Some really bad textures in parts
I remember thinking that the next gen doesn't look that good after all, and I thought Warhawk looked fantastic back in '07
>>339394496
No ones arguing 4 is bad , its my least favourite of the first 4 but a good game in its own right , it has more personality than most games released now
>>339395403
the problem with the twist is that I'm not entirely sure it has a place as the endpoint of the story. There was still a lot you could do and a good couple years before Venom is killed.
Considering the entire game seemed to be originally based on information control, faces and voices being taken away or made irrelevant, I think there were smarter ways they could've conveyed that.
Honestly it just needed another year and a couple million dollars more
>>339393157
I was talking about 4.
Because the story was hot garbage. There were no new interesting characters introduced and it made established characters worse. Unlimited, respawning enemies, which had been used only in specific instances in the first 3 games became more common. And then there's THIS:
From the back end of Part 2
-Rail shooter
-Minor cut scene
-Boss right
-5-10 minute post boss right codec conversation where they build backstory on a character we met for all of 2 minutes and don't care about
-Raiden sequence that is impossible to lose
-20 minute cut scene
-10 minute load up for next chapter
-30 minute cut scene
-Escort mission
-Rail shooter segment
-10 minute cut scene
-Boss Fight
-10 minute codec conversation about a character you couldn't possibly care about
-10 minute cut scene
-10 minute load up for next chapter
-20 minute cut scene
-Finally get to shadow moses and regular gameplay resumes albeit with no human enemies and in a far smaller arena than in chapters 1 and 2
So right in the middle of a very short game you are forced to deal with hours of that.
>>339395696
The game was rushed , thats for sure , imagine if there were moments where you play as the real boss and a few as Venom , they could have given Venom a few more lines , it would have made the twist more hard hitting.
As it is I think it works because this man had his life basically ripped away to become a decoy , its MGS2 except more horrifying
Drebin
Sunny
the whole Meryl+Johnny story
subpar boss fights
Europe
Shadow Moses once you get past muh nostalgia
still a very good game though
>>339395965
And I enjoyed every minute of that
>>339396482
Good for you, the majority of us still see these as annoyances and detractions from what could've been a really great game. It's still a solid 7.5/10, would be a 10/10 if the game had about 7 hours less cutscenes and 3-6 more in gameplay.
>>339396815
>the majority of us
nice argument dude
Basically almost no gameplay. Sure, I can skip cutscenes, but second part of the game isn't even worth replaying. It just sucks
>>339388831
it's not a metal gear solid game.
>>339396482
there are people who get off by getting kicked in the balls repeatedly, what's your point? Poor design does not become good design just because you enjoy it
>>339388831i loved the mech battle
>>339395965
You can write shit like that about any game, especially about 2.
>-Boss right
Bad how?
>is impossible to lose
There are enemies in that part, what the fuck do you mean? That trail can`t go cold and you wont lose an hour af progress if you aren`t fast enough?
>-Escort mission
Great atmosphere when you play it the first time, you can just fuck around in the next runs.
>>339396938
My point is these are reasonable faults in the game even the most die hard autistic fan should be able to see. But you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else.
Microwave Corridor
>>339396482
Well you're clearly an idiot.
>>339388831
frequently forced into fighting situations.
This combined with the devastating weapons in the game make stealth feel worthless.
Johnny. Sunny. Naomi
Gameplay-wise it was flawless (except for Act 3). But the fact that there was little gameplay makes for some pretty wasted potential.
That's why MGO2 was so good.
>>339397832
Every game of the sires forces you into a fighting.
>>339389481
Hahaha
>black people
>>339398008
not as frequently, which is why I made it a point to say frequently.
>>339388831
Too many setpieces with minimal interactivity. Acts 1 and 2 seemed really cool, but 3 onwards completely lacked that kind of gameplay.
>>339388831
its only for ps3 i guess i never played this game and sadly never will ;_;
>>339388831
The game was like half the fucking length it should have been.
>>339397570
It's bad because you go from very fun, varied and involved gameplay I'm chapters 1 and 2 to a very long sequence of limited and repetitive gameplay broken up by very long stretches of sitting and watching which no one who plays a video game wants to deal with.
Except for you because you're some weird contrarian moron who wants to justify his love of a terrible game.
>>339388831
The cover system, even in 2008, GTA4 and Gears of War made it look dated.
>>339398008
Those were always the worst bits too
>>339397832
you didn't really have to stealth in 3 either
>try to criticise this game after I've shielded it from all criticism with my arbitrary rules
Kill yourself you fucking manchild. Enjoy your movie game.
>Following that guy in act 3
>Then the bike chase afterwards
Fuck, even the boss fight. Act 3 was pure shit.
>>339391119
>>should've ended with snake killing himself
No, fuck off. I get /v/ is obsessed with le epic downer endings, but Snake committing suicide goes against the entire message of the series in the first place.
>>339389438
>it's depressing
That's the point?
>>339388831
Act 3 is utter garbage. The whole thing from start to finish was bad. That said this game should've been the ending of the Metal Gear series. Everyone's story was wrapped up. It should've been the real grand finale of the series.
>>339388831
Horrible frame rate issues
The great faction mechanic used in the first two acts is never utilized again
Weapon shop accessible everywhere at any time instead of on-site procurement makes game a joke
The most OP iteration of tranq pistol
New characters, especially B&B corps are the worst and most forgettable in the entire series
Too much cutscenes compared to gameplay portions
>>339398821
What's the message of the whole series?
>>339388831
Le movie meme
Everything is nano machines
It has some issues but it was a great experience.
>>339391119
>should've ended with snake killing himself
I agree with a lot of your points, but not this one. I think Snake committing suicide would have just been miserablist porn that fit uncomfortably in the context of the series. Big Boss coming back to life to tell Snake not to do it was fucking awful, but Snake living out his last days in peace was alright, given how awful the rest is.
>>339398821
and super hamfisted and stupid big boss appearing out of nowhere is somehow better?
Too many cutscenes
The cutscenes are poorly-directed
The plot makes zero fucking sense
Maybe one or two enjoyable characters
Environments vary between okay and awful
Tons of major gameplay features you can totally miss
Takes itself very seriously despite all this
>>339399071
That no one is bound by their genes or their past , I mean even Boss gets to show up and apologize , if anyone needs a happy ending its Snake
>muh act 3
I feel like I'm the only one who loved that sequence, like a noire detective game where I'm the guardian angel of someone, getting in from of him slowly to distract patrols while he's walking behind them.
I just don't get why people don't like it when it was the best stealth part.
>>339399071
That Snake isn't defined by his genes and doesn't have any form of predetermined purpose in life. Despite his past, he's just like any other human being in that he has a desire to live.
It could've been done a lot better than the Big boss asspull at the end, but it's still a much more fitting end to his story than killing himself.
>>339399395
It's fine for the first one or two times.
>>339399110
Yeah I agree. I'm not opposed to snake surviving as long as big boss didn't come back and somehow bring zeros comatose ass with him only hours after waking up from a 10+ year coma to get there just in time to stop snake from committing suicide. Snake shooting himself is still a better ending than that, but so is him realizing that he doesn't need to do that on his own and life the rest of his life.
>Meryl's story arc in MGS1 was all about how she didn't want to be a soldier anymore
>lol she becomes a soldier anyway
>>339391547
This is total bullshit. While Kojima has always tried to keep each game in the series distinct thematically, there is an ongoing narrative. The timeline at the end of nearly every Metal Gear game is an overt distillation of this very fact. MGS2 in particular uses its connection to MGS1 to make its points, and it does this in part to references to plot. Returning characters, Snake's character development, the Patriots--all of these are part of an overarching plot.
MGS3 being a prequel was precisely because Kojima wanted to avoid butchering an overarching story he thought ended well enough, and MGS4 exists merely to revisit said overarching story and tie up any and all loose ends. There are tons of connections, even if it's best to also try looking at each game in and of itself.
>>339388831
my fav mgs
>>339395093
>And /v/ has no legitimate points against it.
It's terribly balanced, for one thing. I love it but it influenced the series for the worse in a lot of ways.
I like MGS2 significantly more on the whole. Sincerely. And yes, I played the games in order. Don't be a turbo baby.
>>339395093
>this game is literally perfect and anyone with a problem with this game is objectively wrong and is trying to be a hipster
You know, there are ways to say MGS3 is your favorite game without coming off as a complete faggot.
>>339398149
Except its not more frequent.
You have 9 combat sequences in 4, as opposed to 14 in mgs 1, 9 in mgs2, 10 in 3.
> of sitting and watching
If you only sit and watch in act 3 its your problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ833GMue5U
>>339388831
I don't even think the first two acts of MGS4 are all that good. They utilize interesting settings, but they're ultimately more concerned with being cool set pieces with shit going on than compelling environments to navigate and sneak through. Enemies are more concerned with each other than Snake, so sneaking doesn't carry the same tension, and even at their best MGS4 carries all of MGS3 problems and several new ones, thanks to Octocamo making the already brain dead camo system more thoughtless and Drebin.
They would be great as intermission style segues into more traditional sneaking, but on their own the first two acts are pretty underwhelming. Definitely better than the three after them, though.
>>339400874
camo has always been optional in MGS
>>339399156
That was pretty bad ass
>>339391349
Its on PS Now
>>339401198
Everything is optional. So what? Playing the game with your hands is optional. You shouldn't have to cripple yourself to get something resembling a compelling experience.
>>339401465
point is that you can make it through the whole game without changing your camo if you want and it doesn't significantly change your experience
>>339401339
It'll still run to PS3 standards dumbass
>>339401325
It was pretty terrible, man.
>>339401579
sure it does
>>339388831
Installing each chapter.
Only Chapter 4 was interesting, only Chapter 2 was fun.
The overall mood was shitty
Raiden was in it
Fake effects I.E bullets landing around Snake without anyone actually shooting at him for visual kicks
Only Act 1 was fleshed out the rest was just built on the rest and ignored, static, dull, boring
Fucking EVA
Lack of CQC; cutscene power to the max
Battles between PMC and Militia was static - PMC would literally sit there slaughtering thousands of Militia, never taking any casualties, until Snake advanced or fought alongside them
...much other shit too. Game had really low replayability
>>339388831
All of Chapter 3. Everything about it sucked.
>>339401630
you just have to keep a greater distance from enemies
>>339401661
>Act 4
>Interesting
How? It was just lazy fanwank.
>>339401835
>it's exactly the same
>as long as you do it differently!
wut
>>339391164
>movie game.
So then V was literally your first mgs game huh.
>>339388831
Game is literally "Run North" with very few options for taking different routes
Potential to add many unlocks including unique whacky camos that did fun shit like MGS3 or different suits including MGS1, 1998 Snake, MGS3 snake etc. Flavourless.
Too many weapons that basically did the same thing. Unique weapons were cool but game punishes killing anyway.
Chaff grenades being rarer than diamonds and being impossible to buy thanks to balance
The rail gun
Naomi and Sunny
>>339401987
>it doesn't significantly change
>>339393883
Ok todd
Act 5 is short as shit.
I sorta like Act 3 but your pace is limited to having to follow some asshole.
>>339399053
>especially B&B corps
Hey, at least they weren't the fucking Skulls
>>339402582
Skulls were more fun to fight though
>>339401325
No, it was shit.
>>339388831
The bosses fucking suck. MGS1 and 3 have some of the best bosses in any game eva and 4 has some shitty noncharacters who aren't fun to fight and then some irrelevant fucker calls you up after to try and make you feel bad with their lame backstories
>>339401956
I like snow
>>339401956
It also came with a sniper battle and spookum atmosphere with the gekko and things, just interesting to me. I hated how you could see Ocelot/Vamp and Naomis footprints with IR mode though.
It was just interesting how getting seen would cause Gekko to appear. More of a whole puzzle section I'll admit...especially if you used the barrel to be invisible to their sensors.
Just fun in its own way. Quiet. More of a journey than anything.
>>339399719
Im not saying that there is no timeline, internal consistency within that time line has always been secondary to Kojima exploring his own theme.
I feel like we've had this exact same argument before in another thread so I won't go any further.
>>339403043
>aren't fun to fight
Nigga, what?
>>339388831
Bad English dub. Some characters are okay, while others are wildly bad at the job. And when one of those people is your main character you have a problem.
The game is actually not too bad as far as MGS games go. Some of the shooting just feels odd, but sneaking is wonderful. Using the octocamo was great fun. Overall it is a mixed bag. Import the Japanese version of the game.
>>339404357
You heard me Anonymous they weren't fun at all
>>339404435
>being this weeb
>>339404436
B&B are arguably the best bosses from the gameglay pov.
>>339404850
I'm trying to think here. One of them was in a building with a few rooms and she'd reappear sometimes and you'd shoot her when you saw here. Another one was in a tower and she flew around while you shot at her. I don't even remember the third one what a great boss lmao. And the fourth one wasn't a real fight because Psycho Mantis showed up.
>>339402706
But they weren't really bosses, just regular enemies on steroids.
>>339405553
>one boss fight is a guy standing in one place covered in bees
>the other one is old faggot who you simply hold up 4 times
>don`t even remember the 3d one, he died of poisoning or something? lol what a great bossfight
>>339388831
Most of act 1
Act 3
Act 5
All of the characters besides snake
Ocelot's motivation
Octo Camo made a lot of the stealth brain dead.
>>339405873
Isn't that what any boss is
>>339388831
>game is more action orientated
>It has shit stealth section
>the game dies after chapter 2 (only 2/5 of the game is actually enjoyable)
>shit bosses with the exception fo crying mantis
>awful framerate
>gimmicks that broke the game (debrin shop)
>>339401998
Not that guy but mgs4 had way more cutscenes than all the others. Probably more than the first 2 or 3 combined.
>>339388831
The act system. Part of what made mgs 1 through 3 so compelling is that you're in one location for the majority of the game. I think this is better for building and maintaining the tension until the climax. In 4 the pacing seemed off.
>>339404203
>internal consistency within that time line has always been secondary to Kojima exploring his own theme.
Sure, but that doesn't excuse pissing all over it. If he really didn't care about the overarching story he wouldn't have emphasized it so much. So yes, it matters.
>>339404520
Speaking and understanding both languages makes me a 'weeb'? Get some culture scum. The Japanese cast is better. That is an objective fact. I'm sorry that you can't understand multiple languages.
>>339388831
Hold on. I'll post the rant I wrote after I finished it.
>>339410695
So MGS4 is definitely my least favorite entry in the franchise. I didn't hate it or anything but there was a lot that just pissed me off.
Everything with Meryl, her team and Akiba was awful. I liked the idea of her growing apart from you because Snake is the type of character who can't maintain that relationship with someone and it puts a bitter twist on your time together on Shadow Moses. That was a good idea but it was just so poorly done. Her character was just sort of inconsistent and the love story was terrible every step of the way. In MGS2 the love story was melodramatic but the postmodernism made it feel like a joke in the long run so I can respect it a little. This was just terrible for the sake of being terrible I think.
The character of Sunny was kind of shitty too. She is supposed to have s pretty important role in everything but you never actually see her do anything. You're just told about her doing it afterwords. Also her relationship with Naomi was corny without really amounting to anything. Everything just felt kind of off. It felt like there were a lot of concepts that weren't fully fleshed out. Kind of hollow.
MGS4 and MGS5 are two sides of the shitty extreme coin
MGS4
>Great stealth mechanics and movement
>Tons of weapons and variety of tools and methods to kill or sneak
>Great stealth, octocamo allows you to move in and out of areas and avoid getting caught
But there's only about 2~hours worth of actual stealth gameplay, and the rest is linear path following, cutscenes, or action scenes. I would have loved a Snake Tales for MGS4, or another game using its engine to get more gameplay out of it.
Meanwhile, MGS5
>Has great action and controls smoothly
>Was supposed to have huge customization of your base
>lots of missions so replayability
But you're practically forced to go non-lethal to recruit guys, the game is focused around stats and resources and upgrades and items, but most are entirely useless since a tranq and a few grenades are all you need for 80% of the game, the bossfights suck and there's little significant content.
>>339410695
>>339410896
In terms of gameplay, Acts 1 and 2 were great but 3 was awful. I was impressed with the first couple and was enjoying the game. It had interesting new gameplay, beautiful visuals and a distinct feeling to it. It felt like Familiar MGS, but had a charm to it as well. It felt like an evolution in the franchise and a melancholy retrospective of the franchise.
The introduction of the beasts was alright and they were genuinely a little frightening.
I especially enjoyed the laughing octopus fight. It was a well designed hide and go seek match that was both unsettling and exciting. Even the beauty phase was unnerving and made you realize the horror of killing these beautiful girls. How they tell you the backstory was dumb but it did feel like something MGS would do as one of its quirks so I went along with it.
Act 3 though had no content basically. It was a huge area sure but there was nothing to fucking do in it. You walk for a while ride a bike for a while and then kill the beauty. That boss fight was really underwhelming too. It didn't evoke the feeling of fury like the fury fight in MGS3 did. It was just anothe battle for the sake of a battle honestly. The rest of the beauty back stories were pretty underwhelming as well and were all too similar.
Act 4 pulled off the games theme of sense very well with how it played on your nostalgia but it never seemed to go beyond the nostalgia and make a point out of it. Otacon said to try not to lose yourself in it but maybe the point is you kind of do? It had a good atmosphere though and you truly were drawn into the setting. The wolf fight was ok, but basically all of the remaining fights were a let down.
>>339410695
>>339410896
>>339411056
I wish I could feel differently but the nano machines really are disappointing. It's just so much of a fucking cop out too many times in a row. I honestly think it's the only way to have a "scientific" reasoning for the events of MGS2, but it's so fucking aggravating. I would have preferred it if he made it some sort of message about not always getting the answers you want and a weird explanation about some people just having special powers. That would have been a more respectful continuation of 2 at least rather than insulting it because the fans wanted him too. I mean if he was ok with disappointing fans which some elements seem like they are designed to do, why not at least try to satisfy himself a little?
I was hoping Act 5 would do some sort of callback to MGS2 when everything becomes muddled and you lose sense of reality but you just make it to the server room and shut it down and everyone wins. The best part of the whole game is the microwave room bar none though I'm willing to admit. It drew you in and evoked the theme of sense more than anything else. Extremely intense and powerful game design that evoked some real emotions for once.
Then you fight ocelot which was alright but all the plot twists and cop outs with the arm were needless and fucked with the previous plot points.
The patriots are a key point of this game and they are supposed to work from the shadows but never having even the slightest form of interaction with them makes the player less invested in the battle against them. The author can tell you about how bad they are as much as he wants and we got a fare share of their fuckery in MGS2 but they are completely in represented in this. It's like fighting an idea, which I suppose you sort of are but there easily could have been more narrative devices to drive the player forward than just stopping them to save the world.
>>339410896
>>339411056
>>339411417
The Big Boss reveal felt kind of pointless aside from all of the exposition he provides. You could argue that it adds a sense of closure to his relationship with snake, but the only time they had even the slightest form of relationship was MG2 and back then I'm pretty sure he wasn't even your father yet. In that sense you could remove him and you wouldn't lose anything except the explanation of how he survived and what started the patriots etc.. Maybe this would be more interesting if we had gotten some of this info a little earlier instead, you know, to get the player invested in the story?
Lastly, Snake getting to live at the end for a little while longer was a little cheesy and although I can see why you would end it like that I would preferred if it had been more concrete what happens to him.
Overall I found it kind of disappointing. Although Peacewalker's main plot was kind of shitty, I think all of the side plots and general theme was done better than MGS4. It also felt more like a MGS game than 4 even with its fragmentation. I know the franchise can be a bit of a waking toward bosses fest sometimes but it was just kind of ridiculous here after act 2. I mean, I even liked Portable Ops main story more than 4. It was at least kind of original and brought some cool characters and places to the table.
/FUCKING RANT
>>339389750
>. at least in MGS1 you got to like have card keys or do something shits like that.
>Defending the hot cold bullshit
>>339388831
>without naming the main problem with this game, name a problem with it
kek, nice try anyway
>>339410980
>you're practically forced to go non-lethal to recruit guys
no you aren't
>>339411661
Really that's what confused you of all things?
Old snake
Act 3
Act 1
B&B stories
Drebin
>>339388831
Getting kissed by liquid ocelot during the fist fight...wtf
>>339389481
What happened yo?
>>339392980
>the plot was intentionally bad!
>my beloved kojima-san isn't a hack at all!
>you just don't get it!
>>339390345
U mean when they pilot rex and ray, or the fist fight?
Fav part of the game was revisiting shadow moses island...brought back many memories. Really enjoyed that part but it wasnt enough to save the game.
