I think everyone can agree on this.
>>339311280
>Big Russian tumblrfag
>Low
Say what you will but with mercy, she is fucking unstoppable.
>>339311280
>Widowmaker in low tier
Then why does literally every competitive team use her?
Learn to aim, noob.
>>339311280
>widowmaker
>high skill required
>>339311280
>reaper in low
epic
>Arrow spamming retard that misses TF2
>high skill
>>339311280
In terms of relative strength to the other heros in their class, as well as overall game impact, Lucio is the strongest character in the game by a mile.
How is reaper low skill?
I only played the beta
>>339311280
Make the green red and yellow lines curve downwards as the skill required get higher
post yfw it's high noon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFtmdorQG-U
You know what they sayyyyy
The only people who think Zarya is bad have never played her!
>>339311725
>lol hi gais im 12 and i discovered the le epix color black ;)))))
>lol guys chek out my legit shottysnipers ;)))))
>lol gaiz check out my sik teleport and 360 noscope shotgun snipe ultimate that literally requires no skill ;)))))
>>339311725
literally just hold the triggetdie die die
>>339311280
i'm probably gonna get berated with (you)s for this, but bastion feels like he takes more skill than people give him credit for
positioning is everything, and unless your team is committed to playing around you and keeping you safe, youre going to get focused and die before you can deal your full damage potential
>Widowmaker M1 does more damage than Tracer
>counters every hero in the top tier on this list
>bottom tier
76 high skill lol
I like Roadhog
>>339311989
Bastion doesn't require skill. He requires team communication.
>>339311358
>/fit/ and /pol/'s lovechild
>tumblr
>>339312557
>/pol/
explain.
>>339312647
She hates robot migrants
>>339312868
I just called her tumblr cause of the hair, and muh strong womyn
>>339312975
Strong women are tumblr now? Wow I guess Aliens was tumblr all this time!
>>339311280
>Pharah in the middle
I like you anon.
>>339313174
que?
>>339311358
Aspiring Zarya main here. Just wondering how to maximise my damage output? I always get killed by Symmetra (fucking lock on 120 DPS BS) and most fights with Mei end up with her just putting up an ice wall and fleeing.
Also, when I have enemies caught in the Graviton Surge, should I use primary or secondary fire?
>>339311280
Sorry, official tier list here straight from reddit competitive scene and /vg/
>>339311280
I don't think I've ever seen a worse image than this.
>>339313282
Secondary.
She honestly shines so much better with a medic, since you can barrier other people, but I usually use mine to quickly go around a corner and deal some sort of damage.
It's great against shit like symmetra and mei too
If mei's slowing you down and about to freeze you, you can pop the shield and reset it. Completely throws her off. By then she's pretty much dead.
>>339311280
>zarya sucks
Woah woah woah. Her ult is godlike and if you actually understand how to increase her damage then her explosive thingies do tons of damage. She's like a mix of support, tank, and dps.
>>339311280
>blizzcucks even thinking of widowmaker in low tier
COMPETITIVE
DIGITAL
SPORTS
Shouldn't they all be low skill?
Zarya is unquestionably the highest skill requirement in the game.
>>339313174
If you're too stupid to tell the difference between strong women and the meme, just lurk more until you get it.
>>339313370
This list is just "These classes are good because they don't require any skill o n my part"
>>339313584
I know about the barrier against Mei, but as I said, she always ends up just going into an ice block and then walling herself off from me as soon as she comes out.
With Symmetra and Mei, should I be using primary or secondary fire?
>>339314019
Definitely primary. It tears em apart if you have some energy on you.
>>339313814
I don't see a low skill person getting much mileage out of hanzo or genji.
>>339314181
Good point.
>>339314181
Genji maybe but Hanzo is easy.
>>339314181
>I don't see a low skill person getting much mileage out of hanzo
The nigger has auto aim out the whazoo.
He can miss by a meter and the game will just give it to him.
>Rugrat
>Low skill level
Someone is a shit Demoman.
>>339311280
>widowmaker requires skill
>mercy is harder to play than zenyatta
>winston harder than zarya
>>339314575
He doesn't have autoaim. He has a large hitbox for his arrows. He still has to adjust for travel time and drop though. I've never seen a Hanzo get a legit kill. They just spam arrows in a direction and hope someone walks into them.
>>339313282
The Mei running away is a win for you, Zarya isn't about chasing people across the map, she's for area denial and tanking as well as protecting your teammates. When playing Zarya you should be squatting like the tumblr slav you are exactly on the part of the map your team needs to control at any given moment
>>339314991
MCREE IS BALAAAAAAAAAANCED
>>339311280
>retard 67 so high
lmao
>>339311583
I gotcha senpai
Why do I always hear about Tracer being "Hard to play"? I guess if you are a beginner to FPS games she would be overwhelming but Tracer is ridiculously easy to get competent with. You have a literal undo button any time you make a mistake and your movement is really easy thanks to her dashes.
I could see her having a high skill cap, since actually maximizing the use of each dash could be hard, but in that case characters like Mccree would be considered extremely skillful just because of how much you get rewarded for getting headshots.
>>339315247
Can Zarya get headshots with her beam?
>>339315552
No.
Okay /v/ how do we fix McRee
>Love D.Va's whole style
>Yet I feel I could be doing so much more for the team by playing another tank
I think her cannons need to either be more effective at longer range and/or a lot more threatening at the range they are currently effective. And possibly a second or two off the cooldown of Defense Matrix.
And since I'm being greedy here, something else to her Zero Suit mode. Just something to offer beyond a pretty solid pistol while hoping you can live long enough to suit back up.
Has Blizzard stated any balance issues they see?
>>339312975
Maybe you should play the game instead of complaining like a tumblr faggot about things you haven't experienced.
>>339315328
>>339315848
Remove his flashbang.
A stun has no place in an FPS.
>>339315858
I have played the game. I've also played as her, and I think she's a good character. I wasn't complaining.
Dumbass.
>>339315962
What would you replace it with then?
>>339315856
I think an easy fix that would make D.Va more viable is just letting her shoot while shes boosting
>>339315873
Inferior version. Needs Lex's facial expression.
>>339316008
Nothing.
>>339313923
thinking the exact same thing desu
>>339316008
pocket sand
Lucio is one of the most fun, I think.
On the control point map with the well in the middle I wall ride around in circles on the inside and no one on the other team knew why they couldn't take the point.
>>339311280
>Winston in low tier
Maybe in pubs, faggot.
>tracer
>skill required
Hahahahahahahahahaha
>>339316131
>>339316165
Seriously though what could be put in. I think a kick that pushed people back but didn't stun would be an okay alternative. Doesn't remove control from people but still disrupts a fight.
>>339315962
>>339316008
Make it a 2-3 second actual flashbang. No stun though.
>Tracer requiring more skill than Genji when her skills have much lower cool down and can instantly heal/save herself
>>339316194
That sounds funny but also boring to sit in there for however many minutes.
>>339315962
It probably shouldn't be a straight stun. Maybe just a slow or something. Issue is, hes a hard counter to some other heroes that would probably be a little too big a pain to deal with otherwise.
do any anons play with each other? Overwatch /v/eekend when?
>>339313370
>McCree is useless without his two abilities
Nah famalam, I've killed tons of faggots with hammer fanning
>>339316469
You won't sit there long if the enemy team has an observant Pharah
>>339316212
>in the beta
>everyone says Winston is the worst hero in the game
>play him once
>see how strong he is in a ton of different situations
>to this day people say he is shit
Honestly some people just can't learn.
>>339316473
Tracer is the only character I can think of that really needs him as a counter.
>>339315848
>Reduce flashbang radius
>Make ult load only on enemies in sight
There
>>339315848
nerf fan the hammer's damage again
if he can't just insta-gib any tank that comes to harass him then he'll actually be able to be harassed and that'll do wonders for fixing him.
>Winston, mercy, widow, Zarya
>low tier
>zen, Mei
>high tier
Yeah you're a fucking retard I think we can agree on that
>>339316105
I'm not entirely sure that would be the solution.
D.Va could fill a nice niche of being a tank that can easily setup flanks (Winston can as well with his leap but her boosters are better suited for some of the platforming on some maps), but once she does flank... she can't do that much. Unless she's up close her cannons do pitiful damage and when she's up close a person can easily out-maneuver due to her gimped movement speed while firing.
>>339316637
I was a doubter in the beta.
Then I played a squishy and had a pretty good Winston keep fucking my face for a whole game.
People played him like a Reinhardt, when he's more like D.Va or Roadhog.
who here /76 main because you can basically adapt to any situation/?
>>339311280
>mercy
>skill
I don't understand.
>>339316761
what do you do against shields
until comp comes out pls withdraw from posting memetierlists
>>339316801
shoot em
>>339316801
use helix rockets, or just run.
>>339316801
rocket can chunk shields purty good. but I doubt you'd wanna go behind reinhardt shield
>>339316878
they're playing comp literally as i type
McCree has a >100% pickrate
>>339316649
Tracer was who I had in mind, but hes also very effective against bruisers like Roadhog.
>zenyatta
>high tier
fuck off
>>339316878
Competitive play and tourneys have been a thing for a while even in beta. Stop being thinking that comp queuing for all is the only thing that counts as comp.
>>339316743
As long as he is being played competently, he basically can't lose 1v1 to anyone with under 250 health. And if things do go south, his shield is there an option, and the jump gives him crazy mobility. Or he can just pop his ult and roid out.
>>339313370
>We saw the FGC use god tier once we should use it also!
PCucks are really the worst. It's like they saw one marvel tier list and thought thats the only way to make a list.
>>339311280
>Winston in lowtier
Nigger what?
>>339315848
>Flashbang only stuns on a direct hit
>Reduce damage from fan the hammer by 20% [1 shot: (70 -> 54), 6 shots: (420 -> 336)
>>339313370
>zero suit d.va is useless
Have these people even played d.va? If you use zero suit as a sniper per pistol does crazy amounts of damage
I love taking people out when they think they can kill me after the mech is gone
Hell I sometimes avoid re summoning the mech just because of how powerful she is
So McCree is really good but...how do you actually use him? The stun never seems to last long enough to get shots off.How do I get gud?
>>339317289
Right click head shot will kill pretty much anyone in a second
>>339311280
>Dunston checks in low tier
if youre not playing hit and run dunston youre playing him wrong
>>339317379
>right click
>headshot
Fan the Hammer literally can't headshot. Aim for center of mass.
Why do people say Winston is so good anyway?
I mean, yeah I've done good with him sometimes, and other times I couldn't do a damn thing, plus my team was full of retards. I'm pretty sure every hero (except a couple) are all on the same strength level and it depends 100% on your team comp, the enemy team comp, whether you're attacking/defending, and the intelligence of all the players.
People think that just cause they've done really well as certain heros in some matches that their fundamentally better than other heros, which for the most part Blizzard seems to have done a good job at balancing against.
>>339317183
>multiplat
>PCucks
>>339316960
Zen hits like a truck(if you can aim), heals fast, debuffs like a king and his ult is fantastic.
I mean it's a lot easier to just play Lucio and Mercy because they can fucking move away from people trying to kill them and all but damn I hope Zen gets a little boost sometime.
>>339311547
competitive overmeme...
kek'd my friend well meme'd ;)
>>339314019
Primary up close, secondary for finishers and abusing the splash damage. Secondary can be fired with 1 ammo so it's super good for finishing fleeing targets
>Tracer requiring skill.
Literally all you have to do is manage your reverse and make sure you don't over extend and you will pretty much auto win games just by holding down the trigger buttons.
>widowmaker that low
>garbo like roadhog and zen that high
>>339317680
Winston is the best back line harasser and is fantastic on any control point map thanks to his ult.
He basically does everything D.Va does, but better.
>>339317680
Winston is top tier in a "competitive" level because he counters snipers easily, and causes massive chaos and disruption. For coordinated teams, he's priceless, otherwise yeah he'll feel flaccid with a shit team because you can't really carry.
>>339317732
He needs one or more of:
>enough HP to survive a shot from Widowmaker
>Faster base movement speed
>Orbs last a few seconds longer out of LOS
Everyone in the game is easy to learn though (at least for me) I enjoy using everyone.
I can't be the only one?
>>339318073
When I play zarya I really like having a Winston on the team. A pity most pubs are retarded and think 2 tank classes is too many.
No joke I've been in games where we've had a perfect 2 tank/2 damage/2 heals setup and had some retard go "we need more Damagers!!!!!"
>>339318073
but everyone plays snipers.
And pubs don't call out "help winston keeps fucking my ass", so you can just keep flying in, killing a squishy or two, then fly out and grab some health packs or get patched up by a healer
>>339316527
>works for me :^)
>>339317998
because the tick rate works in favor for widowmaker. come ranked matches gonna be alot of snipers shitting the bed
Winston is the best tank. He's great at fucking weak heroes, especially so the two snipers + supports like mercy and lucio, all thanks to leap giving him such amazing mobility and his tesla cannon being autoaim.
I can't think of a single character who can fill all of Winston's roles as effectively and easily as he can.
>>339318776
>thinking the tick rate will be any different for ranked
>>339317680
he destroys squishy characters that can be hard to hit like tracer and genji, while also dominating sniper and support characters. the only character he cant do much against are people who can dps him to death like mcree and reaper and people with armor because his gun does extremely low amount of damage to armor
>>339313370
I don't get why people think pharah automatically dies when she ults, know how to position well. I haven't died while ulting in a while, and if I do I usually take a few down before I do. Just don't be retarded and boost and then ult at the highest point, you do less damage and everyone knows where you are.
>>339320020
>koth
>other team chooses 4 winstons, mercy, and a wildcard
>we roll them over with pure dps and no heals
It's a same people don't know how to play winstons, but 2 is usually enough to roll over a point.
Reminder that Junkrat is the most brainless piece of shit character in the game that literal retards can excel with.
Question:
Which heroes outside of Tanks can survive Roadhog's 0 to death?
>>339320474
exactly a lot of people still need time to learn winston, winston is a HUGE help situations, you just have to spot them
>>339311280
>Reaper requiring less skill than Bastion
>Soldier 76 requiring more skill than Pharah
>Mercy requiring any skill at all
>Tracer at the far right
>Mei anywhere near the left
>Fucking Reaper fucking requiring fucking less fucking skill than FUCKING BASTION
>>339320668
genji
maybe mei (will die right after iceblock though) and mcree
>get Hanzo Wolf skin
>don't like playing sniper roles
Fuck this. Why can't we trade for coins?
*sigh*
Here is the official character difficulty rundown from the FUCKING DEVELOPERS OF THE FUCKING GAME:
Bastion: *
D. Va: **
Genji: ***
Hanzo: ***
Junkrat: **
Lucio: **
McCree: **
Mei: ***
Mercy: *
Pharah: *
Reaper: *
Reinhardt: *
Roadhog: *
Soldier 76: *
Symmetra: **
Torbjorn: **
Tracer: **
Widowmaker: **
Winston: **
Zarya: ***
Zenyatta: ***
Now shut up.
>>339311927
>>339311983
The only one dying is the Reaper player trying that shit on a remotely skilled team.
>>339321426
>Mei
>3
Come on.
The only 3 in the game is Genji.
>>339316691
The recoil on that thing is enough.
Give it to Bastion. Might keep the retards from incessantly POTGing for once.
>>339321845
>Don't change McCree and nerf bastion.
You know Bastion is pretty much useless if you are smart, right?
Also the recoil on fan the hammer is barely an issue, compensating for it is simple.
>>339311280
this is so bad like mercy winston and zarya in low? zen in high?
this is bait
>>339315848
Dodge roll doesn't reload gun.
Lucio needs an hp nerf
>200 hp more than Zen and Sym
>can heal himself constantly regardless if getting hit or not
>>339316729
>gimped movement speed while firing.
I think removing this will go a surprisingly long way to fixing her.
>>339323082
Completely removing it isn't a great idea considering she does such crazy damage at point blank range.
I think reducing the slow is necessary, make her walk like, Roadhog speed while using it.
>>339321816
>Not Zarya
Hey do you like playing team damage micromanager?
No?
Too fucking bad, your damage output depends on it, and you aren't going to get ult with 0 charge attacks
I thought /v/ was retarded and bad at vidya but holy fuck this takes the cake. If you're not <1000 world on MO your opinion doesn't mean dogshit. Play whatever you want if you're with friends but know you'll lose to Lucio+Mercy teams. Hanzo/Mei/Dva are all characters that have better alternatives, play something else if you care about winning. All these console babies thinking Widow is low tier clearly haven't gotten high enough MMR to the point where every game is decided by which team has the better Widow.
Do the board a favor, if you suck just keep posting rule 34 and stop megaphoning your shitty opinions.
>>339322769
the skill has no use anymore if that is done
>>339321845
>the recoil is enough
YEah man like recoil matters at all when you only need to land 4 of the shots on a stunned target to kill most classes, and can try again if you fuck up.
>>339324552
Is he not invulnerable when using it? Getting an instant reload from an evasive action just allows him to output 800+ damage for free following a successful pocket sand. It's stupidly excessive.
I heard that you guys like some mccree
Pharah is the most balanced character in the game
>>339325074
No he isnt he is fully vulnerable just like tracer is in her jumping skill.
>>339321426
the developers of the game are clearly stupid
look how it turned out reddit
*le sigh*
>>339325074
Fan needs a cooldown and flashbang shouldn't work unless it goes off in front of someone. That nerfs flash without making it useless and stops him being able to do an insane amount of damage before anyone can react to it with fan roll fan, while still allowing him to be an ambush hero.
>>339324552
Give it a lower cooldown and make it an evasive move that maybe has iframes
>>339325607
Even an ambush hero shouldn't be able to melt tanks the way McCree does. Just like >>339325941 said, give dodge roll iframes, but remove the free reload. Then it has the utility of closing distances to follow up with a stun, or get out of bad situations.
>>339315848
flash is now an actual flash that blinds/disorients players instead of just locking them in place.
>>339311280
switch zarya and mei and then we'll talk
>>339326415
But an important facet of the stun is to shut down an enemy's poor use of an ult.
>>339326972
not anymore, leave roadhog for that job.alright fine, you are blinded/deafened for 2 seconds and kicked out of any previous animation you were in before you got flashbanged, but still not locked in place/stunned
