Reminder that P5 won't and can't surpass P3
Reminder Persona 1 is the only good persona game both story and gameplay wise
Anyone with a functioning brain knows that except for p4, p2, and SMTcucks
>>339291552
In what? Being shit?
Final Fantasy Xiii-2 even surpassed P3. It won't be hard.
>>339291552
P3 was cool, and I like the dog, but the gameplay and music in the trailers alone make me positive that this is going to be the best Person game yet.
>>339291796
Just look at this fucking trash
>>339291764
Fuck you. Grid combat is fucking shit. It doesn't add strategy because you can get through every fight just auto-attacking. P1 gameplay is complete shit.
>>339292146
I'd bang the one on the right. the cat i mean.
>>339291552
I think it's got a very good chance to win, but I'm still probably going to prefer P3 even if P5 is objectively better.
>>339291552
It already has better dungeons and a better cast.
>>339291552
Persona 3 was already surpassed by Persona 4 though.
>>339292757
/this
P3 is worse than P4 though
>>339291552
My hope is that Persona 5 is just more of the same. As long it's got interesting characters, a solid story and great art design I'll be happy.
Persona 3 is my all-time favourite game, so it seems a little unreasonable for me to expect the new one to be that good.
>>339292146
The only one that I think straight-up looks bad is glasses girl
>Gameplay
P3 < P4
>Characters
P3 > P4
>Story
P3 > P4
>Soundtrack
P3 < P4
>>339291552
Probably not, but it's going to be better than 4 and that makes me very excited.
>>339291552
.....I guess I will leak a tiny tidbit for you fags. You will see some of it at e3 anyway.
"potter"-kun is an absolute badass. In the games intro, he witnesses a train groper try to rape some lady. So he decides to take justice into his own hands, and beats the guy to near death. This leads to his first run in with the law, being labeled as a delinquint, ect.
If P3 MC is a reflection of the average high schooler and the awkwardness that entails, and P4 MC is a reflection of what everyone wishes they were in High School when reflecting back upon those years later as an adult, then P5 MC is a reflection of the darker and edgier fantasies you had growing up by making a difference through direct action- but never had the balls to do because of fear and consequences you might face.
>>339293107
For me it is
>Gameplay
P4 wins
>Characters
P4 wins again
>Story
Damn....another win for P4
>Soundtrack
One more for P4!
Now, I do give P3 credit for a couple things. P3 had more customization for MC and weapon types and damage types, and that was cool. P3 also had much better bosses throughout than P4 did.
That said, I feel that overall, P4 was a much better game in pretty much every other respect.
>>339293480
>P4 having better characters, story, and soundtrack
Persona 5 will be the best Persona game.
>>339292772
>Better cast
eh
>>339293162
Interesting, is that why you get sent to the delinquent school?
>>339293162
This guy is a liar.
>>339293107
>Soundtrack
>P3 < P4
Name 1(one) P4 song better than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-CSZDbKuL4
>>339293880
I don't know who to trust anymore.
>>339294132
Trust no one.
Assume everyone is lying to you until the game is released, even people that are actually part of the company.
>>339292146
The only design I actually hate is Sakura. Everyone else, especially the boys, are fantastic.
Also at least post their thief outfits as well if we're gonna truly compare designs.
>>339293028
Glasses girl a cute. CUTE!
>>339293831
Your school isn't really a "delinquent" school. You just tend to hang out with other delinquents and have a reputation for it by the time the plot gets rolling, because of this inciting incident.
You are on a "probation" of sorts.
>>339293880
Nah, it is truth. Really early on you violently beat a train groper. The whole idea behind your crimes and delinquency, or at least the justification for it, throughout, is to exact your own personal brand of justice against a society the main cast views as corrupt and oppressive.
>>339292146
At least they're somewhat visually distinct, and I can get some idea of their personality from looking at them. Other than the divergence that is Naoto, P4s girls all blend together in a generic pile to me. Maybe because the female cast is smaller in P3 and waifuism wasn't as strong, Yukari, Fuuka and Mitsuru are all strongly distinct from each other.
>>339294090
>People legitimately think that Reach Out is better than BABYBABYBABY
>People legitimately think that Mist is better than Battle For Everyone's Souls
>People legitimately think that anything in P4 is better than Kimi no Kioku
It's sickening really
>>339293107
>Soundtrack
>P3 < P4
...Anon...
>>339293162
>So he decides to take justice into his own hands, and beats the guy to near death.
well, you tried. maybe make it more convincing next time bud.
>>339294613
screencapping your posts
if this information isn't shown at E3 i'm going to assume you're a liar.
>>339294703
>>People legitimately think that Reach Out is better than BABYBABYBABY
But they don't
>>People legitimately think that Mist is better than Battle For Everyone's Souls
But they don't
>>People legitimately think that anything in P4 is better than Kimi no Kioku
They definetely don't.
>>339294090I liked Never More better
>>339294613
Will there be moral choices to make? 3 and 4 had MCs that didn't have much personality and had goals that anyone could relate to, like saving innocent people or solving crime. Your character wants to change the world, but what sort of world do they want?
>>339295154
And there it is
>>339295154
>>339294703
They're not all better in P3, I'll Face Myself is much better than whatever song plays during the Full Moon shadows.
>>339295369
Yep, that's true
>>339294846
http://personacentral.com/persona-5-character-persona-story-information/
He is just repeating information that he got from a magazine article.
>>339294090
I like nevermore more actually. In general though, I just prefer P4s more funky and punky soundtrack to P3s hip hoppy and rappy soundtrack. Personal taste applies a lot here, I dont think there really is a wrong answer.
>>339293619
P3 characters and story are cliches that never really evolve outside their typical archtypes and tropes.
P4 characters start as cliches, but have onion layers peeled back on them over time. Teddie at the start of the game is a beary different character from teddie by the end of the game. Can you say the same thing about any of the P3 cast?
>>339294703
Memories of You (Persona 3)
Burn My Dread (Persona 3)
Reach Out To The Truth (Persona 4 [Reincarnation])
Never More (Persona 4)
Mass Destruction (Persona 3)
Heartful Cry (Persona 3 FES)
Heaven (Persona 4)
The Battle For Everyone’s Souls (Persona 3)
Time To Make History (Persona 4 Golden)
Pursuing My True Self (Persona 4 [Reincarnation])
Top 10 persona songs voted by fans
>>339296023
>Can you say the same thing about any of the P3 cast?
Yes.
>>339296023
>P3 characters and story are cliches that never really evolve outside their typical archtypes and tropes.
Stop talking out your ass
>P4 characters start as cliches, but have onion layers peeled back on them over time.
Except all of them are literally the same from beginning to end.
>Can you say the same thing about any of the P3 cast?
Literally all of them. Ken, Akihiko, Mitsuru, Fuuka, Junpei. Ken and Junpei are probably the most noticeable ones
>>339296076
>Memories of you besting burn my dread
HEATHENS
>>339295259
A world without corruption. Corporate greed, cover-ups, Yakuza ties to legitimate businesses, and government manipulation will be things you fight against.
All will be tied back to corrupted desires. A gym teachers desire for a cute young girlfriend corrupts his heart and makes him into a complete pervert, stalker, and potential rapist. A bankers desire to live a wealthy and carefree life corrupts his heart and makes him a scrooge who actively keeps others down to keep his own wealth secure. A government officials desire to guide people down a better path in life corrupts him and makes him into the kind of person who will dictate and control exactly how people should act, think and behave.
Don't get anything wrong, even though you are on the wrong side of the law, and stealing stuff and doing other delinquent things, your end goal is still good and just. Thief with a heart of gold. Robin Hood esque.
>>339294779
He's telling the truth, but it isn't inside information. It was revealed in some magazine a few weeks ago that he gets arrested at the start of the game for going full human bean.
>>339296076
Is that Burn My Dread Final Battle or just regular Burn My Dread? If it's just the shop one, we can disregard the entire list.
>>339296307
ok, I will bite. How is end game Akihiko any different from Early game Akihiko?
>>339296023
Nigga what?
One of the major complaints about Persona 4 is that the characters may as well not exist in the plot after they have an obligatory literal boss fight against character development
>>339296334
>Memories of You not being the absolute number 1 bar none
>>339292542
Alright, Persona is entirely shit.
>>339293028
She and the five-head on middle frenchie grill
>>339296567
Play the game, check what happens after Shinji dies.
>>339296572
Teddie develops throughout the game. He goes through depression, an existiental crisis, a phase of learning about a whole new world and gaining a whole new sense of who he is and can be, before crashing back down into depression after realizing the truth about who and what he is and why. But even then he gains the resolve to continue forward despite that.
All of the characters have a similar level of development spread throughout the game. The sole exception to this is Naoto, the biggest walking cliche in the P4 cast. Interestingly enough, Naoto is also considered to be one of the best characters in P4 and is one the most loved by fans of the series- Which only goes to show how much the masses eat up and praise walking cliches, and actively ignore deeper and more realistic characters who actually go through development constantly throughout the game.
>>339296838
Haru is cute!
>>339296529
the magazine says phantom intervenes, pretty sure it doesn't say anything close to "he beat the shit out of him so bad that the guy is in critical condition in a hospital."
>>339293162
Nigga that "leak" was in the Famitsu mag a few weeks ago
BURN MY DREAAAAAD
P3 was kind of super depressing in its atmosphere. Also the story went nowhere for the first 75% of the game. Persona 4 is better paced but has a worse soundtrack.
>>339296956
Literally Ai 2.0
>>339291552
but anon, what if it IS better than p3?
>>339296881
>character gains resolve after other character dies
That's all I remember. Its not a big deal. One moment of character development after a big plot moment halfway through the game. That is what I mean, P3 characters hardly develop for shit. The literal cute annoying animal themed sidekick character in P4 has more character development. You are going to have to try harder to convince me.
>>339292146
me on the right
>>339294090
>Beat P3 about 4 years ago
>This song still manages to make me feel like a massive piece of shit
>>339296437
That makes me think the vigilante parts are limited to the main story, which is a little sad. I would've liked to see something like occasional events where you can intervene, but if you do so too often you will attract attention and make things harder, or maybe even get arrested and get a game over.
>>339296956
This, screw everyone that thinks the other girls are better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgabwpHNj5M
>>339297087
>The prologue consists of the hero confronting a man who harasses women, and subsequently being detained by the police because of the injuries he inflicts on that man. The hero is then sentenced to probation. He becomes a Phantom Thief afterwards to fight against that.
http://personacentral.com/persona-5-character-persona-story-information/
>>339297287
>The literal cute annoying animal themed sidekick character in P4 has more character development.
Whatever faggot, enjoy your bias.
>>339297287
>The only character with character development has more character development than Akihiko
>>339297556
Will ryoji hold a candle to DA MAN?
>>339297785
He definitely seems closer to Junpei than Yosuke. Seems too excitable to ride your dick.
>>339297731
Most of the characters in P4 have character development, the problem is that no one cares. Once someone joins your party in P4 they're just SMT demons you can fuck. I don't care if Kanji gets over his issues because Kanji is no longer an actor in the plot, if he ever was. He's just a toy.
>>339291775
>SMTcucks
Mainline SMT is still better combat wise. And story is up for debate. Persona 3 did knock it out of the park thematically though.
>>339297731
Most of the cast in Persona 4 have the same level of character development as teddie.
>>339297967
You sound like Adachi.
Why is Lotus Juice so based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqj_6I6fGo
>>339293107
>Story
>P3 > P4
>>339292886
>>339292817
>scooby doo and an sjw message of accepting queers is better than an actual story
>>339298405
Because he's not going to be in P5
>>339298418
P4 story is so lackluster
>>339298418
>Actual Persona story vs Japanese Scooby Doo
I don't know you tell me.
>>339298418
>he thinks the whole Nanako revival and Teddie disappearance clusterfuck is good
P4 literally didn't have a plot document, they just did shit as it popped up without planning
>>339298463
Why do you have to remind me?
>>339298620
Nah, I agree those points were utter garbage. Just like the overall feel of the story instead of having a emo crew run to their deaths
>>339296023
>P4 characters start as cliches, but have onion layers peeled back on them over time
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
>>339292757
I fear this.
P3 was absolutely fabulous and is still to this day my favorite vidya.
I really want P5 to better but the love I have for P3 might influence my judgement.
I even got goosebumps when I look at OP pic.
>>339293107
I'm torn between which gameplay I like more. I missed having 3 types of physical damage tho
>>339299104
You think it was better because 3 was too dark?
>>339298313
How the fuck did Personna 3 surpass SMT thematically?
They never do anything interesting with the whole death theme. When they attempt to make you care about some characters it doesn't work because those characters are utterly boring. When they attempt to hype up the final boss it doesn't work because it's badly written and you know the final boss is just going to be a stat block with maybe two or three gimmick, just like every other boss.
And then you faggots cry over the death of the MC who is simply an okay self-insert.
You're probably the kind of people who like SAO or IS story because P3 is exactly the same kind of boring garbage.
>>339299381
As if any of the mainline story is any better
>Secondaries arguing which of their shitfest pandering games is the best one
Nocturne > Strange Journey > Digital Devil Saga 2 > Devil Summoner 2 > Persona 3: FES > Devil Summoner 1 > Digital Devil Saga 1 > Devil Survivor 1 > Devil Survivor 2 > Persona 4 > Persona 2: Innocent Sin > Persona 1
Get some fucking taste, Personacucks.
>>339299524
Eh, I'd argue that 2 and Strange Journey had a better story, and every mainline had way more interesting settings
Raidou 1 and DDS blows Persona 3 out of the water storywise too
Not even him and I really do like P3, but that is how I feel
>>339298461
>sjw message of accepting queers
>"turns out I wasn't gay, I am just insecure due to my hobbies and interests. Now that I accept myself and my hobbies, I feel much more confident in my sexuality- and that being straight."
>"I was a born one sex and it turns out that changing it to another sex is a bad thing. It just covers up the problem I am facing instead of dealing with it. My problem is not that I have to become a different sex, my problem is that I felt like I needed to be a different sex to be accepted and become the person I wanted to be."
The game is the anti SJW. This is a game where a dude literally punches the gay out of himself. The shadow is repressed and chaotic emotions, and it is portrayed as dangerous and bad. It turns into a persona when controlled, accepted, and understood, and this is portrayed as something ideal. Kanji could have become gay if he let his shadow take over- but that was a bad outcome and is just a psychologically destructive outburst and pathology to try and help him cope with his insecurity. The real message is that overly flamboyant homosexuals act the way they are because they are insecure about their sexuality- not because it is healthy or normal. In Kanji's case, he wasn't even homo. He was just insecure and thought he was. He could have went homo, but that would not have sovled his problems and he probably would have spiraled into depression and suicided.
Naoto is a similar case.
This games message is "deal with your problems and face yourself, instead of trying to deny it (bad) or letting the psyhcology turmoil take advantage of you and make you change yourself in a way that is not true to yourself (also bad).
>>339299320
I love the game a lot, but let's be honest it had a lot of flaws. P5 is basically guaranteed to be better.I'm still going to be biased though.
>>339299789
For someone insulting Persona, you sure put it pretty high up the list.
>>339299381
>They never do anything interesting with the whole death theme.
Other than you know, making it a life simulation RPG all about connecting with other people Did you think that was a coincidence?
>And then you faggots cry over the death of the MC who is simply an okay self-insert.
That's the point. It's not a character dying. It's you dying. And it's going to happen to you one day for real, and it's probably going to be peaceful and sad like it was in the game.
I don't think you understood P3 at all.
>>339298608
>actual persona story
Persona before 4 was just SMT brand of story-lite but with an extra dosage of angsty teenagers and existential crises.
4 was the first time the series felt like it had developed its own personality and actually did something fresh and interesting.
>>339299524
I actually feel something other than a need to sleep when playing mainline. There is actually a minimum of originality in SMT's story.
And even if mainline sucked ass P3 still have a painfully average story.
>>339299965
Even if it has its flaws, it still is a fantastic game.
I'll be biased too, but for now, P5 will seems it will be far better.
>>339291552
Nostalgiafags like you are the cancer killing this board
>>339300138
>literally a Jojo rip-off
>fresh and interesting
Underage detected.
>>339300172
Let's not be ridiculous here. Mainline SMT barely has a story, and when it does (Strange Journey) it doesn't do much of anything with it. So many fucking words to read in Strange Journey, and the characters are still one dimensional at the end, the alignments cartoonish.
>>339291552
It depends on whether or not we count the supplimental P3 material for me.
The P3 movies' version of the protagonist, 'Makoto Yuki' perfectly encapsulates how I view the character. The games, however, didn't give him enough agency in his own story to really convey how he was feeling. A lot had to be filled in through the player's own interpretation of the character, which is no doubt what Atlus was going for, but I appreciate having him as a more defined character.
As far as I'm concerned, P3's protagonist is a standoffish loner who doesn't care about mcuh of anything (including his own life) at the start of the game only to learn the value of his existence through bonding with those around him. He learns that he is important to others, that he doesn't want to lose his friends once he has them, and that while life should not be thrown away wastefully, a life lost on a worthwhile outcome is a life worth giving.
It was a strong lesson, albeit a very basic one. The execution is where it stood out from the pack for me. It set the bar really high, and I have trouble imagining P5 will surpass it, but I'm looking forward to seeing it try.I want to be wrong so badly it hurts.
>>339299965
>For someone insulting Persona, you sure put it pretty high up the list.
Just shitposting to get more replies since I like tier listing because it allows me to see people's opinions in a fast and simple way.
>>339300236
Nigga I played P3 in fucking 2015 and it still shat on everything I played until then.
>>339300245
JoJo is fresh and interesting compared to the generic shit that SMT plays straight in every single one of its installments.
Even then, P4 has a lot of differences from JoJo part 4, despite having some key influence.
>>339300221
Yeah, I just hope it doesn't let us all down.
Guess there's nothing to do, but hope for the best.
>>339300462
Fair enough, carry on.
>>339300792
>generic shit that SMT plays straight in every single one of its installments.
Nocturne actually tried something different, but it flopped and they've been rehashing on handhelds ever since.
>>339300409
You guys need to realize that not every thing has to be the same. Stop expecting 5 to live up to 3's standards (or 4 for that matter) when 5 is clearly trying to do something completely different, just like 4 did. Nothing will top 3 because they aren't going to try and rehash or redo what they already did in 3. Just like with 4, they are going to do something different. And different doesnt equate to bad or not as good either.
>>339300474
I literally just finished it last week and it is still better than any other JRPG I've played in years and beats out most other SMT titles
>>339300792
>JoJo is fresh
I want JoJo fags to realize one simple truth. You are the new naruto fags.
>it's a mainlinefag comes to bitch and cry about Persona episode again
>>339300946
I can agree here. Nocturne tried, but it still did not hit the mark. P4 hit a goldmine when it came to story, and that is what made it so successful with a bajillion spin offs. Now Atlus is out to make something completely different and new with P5- the same level of difference from P3 to P4. I can only help that they understood what made P4s story so loved and relatable and use that knowledge and experience. I am going to feel like killing myself if P5 is just SMT style story with extra character and style, or if its just P3 all over again.
>>339292146
Great, Great, meh, trash, Teddie Was A Mistake, from left to right
>>339301326
>its a waifufags think that persona 4 isn't the weakest SMT game ever made
>>339299976
>making it a life simulation RPG all about connecting with other people
Nigga, those other people are boring stereotype. A bunch of them are ok, but most of them are completly forggdtable. The main reason you're going to hang with the snail eating fag or that weird poet guy dying of cancer is to get better Personna.
>It's not a character dying. It's you dying.
No, it's the idealized self-insert that I play as who die. It's just like Shepard from Mass Effect. I don't understand why people care about those kind of characters when they're really easy to create.
>And it's going to happen to you one day for real, and it's probably going to be peaceful and sad like it was in the game.
Yeah, no. Even if I don't get killed in some kind of freak incident or end up in a coma forever, I'm probably going to die of cancer wich is a pretty painful and horrible way to die.
>>339300946
>Nocturne actually tried something different, but it flopped and they've been rehashing on handhelds ever since.
Except Nocturne did pretty well and resulted in two sequels, Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2.
>>339301291
>new
Nigga, I have been reading JoJo since the 90s. Your underage is showing. Fuck, even NARUTO is more fresh than mainline SMT - "There be demons and shit, and its the apocalypse. Side with either Law, Chaos, or Neutral. All three are portrayed in the most boring and straightforward way imaginable."
Mainline SMT survives on its gameplay alone.
>People actually think P4 had good story and characters
Summer is here.
>>339291552
mfw he's right
Frog.jpg
How to kill Matador, /v/?
HELP
>>339301360
>if its just P3 all over again
So an actual good story with a solid theme throughout and easily the best characters in a persona game post persona 2? You can try and write a big wall of text to justify how teddy is a great character all you want but persona 4 did not have anywhere near the impact and emotional weight that 3 did.
>>339301576
No new as in the faggots who just watch the anime and won't fucking shut up about ORORORORORA
>>339301463
>The main reason you're going to hang with the snail eating fag or that weird poet guy dying of cancer is to get better Personna.
Did you just bitched about Akinari SL?
Holy shit, what a fagget.
>>339301078
I'm not sure we're on the same page here, anon.
I can't speak for everyone in the thread, or even OP, but I do realize that and it's the basis of how I looked upon P3 vs. P4. One was a gloomy story about dread, life, the fear of death, and so on. The other was about a small town murder mystery, enjoying the simple things, and growing as a person. It's the same as how one can compare the quality of a comedy and an action movie on similar scales while still using fundamentally different criteria.
For the record, I consider P4 to be roughly equal to P3 in quality, I just like P3 more because the story beats hit me harder.
Nobody's expecting them to rehash P3, so I have no idea where you're coming from with this. We aren't expecting them to use the same story beats and make P3 in the modern day. P5 is going to be its own thing and we all know it, it's just a matter of whether or not P5 will be high enough quality on its own merit to deserve a spot next to its predecessors. That's what we're discussing here, not they are going to "are going to do something different," or "try and rehash or redo what they already did in 3." Everyone understands this, anon.
>>339301742
>an actual good story
The story is alright. If you ignore SEES and everything connected to it. The whole "secret government program uses teenagers to do secret government stuff dealing with secret super natural stuff" is the most retarded tier of anime cliche you can go to. Unfortunately, the story relies pretty heavily on it until Ryoji shows up.
>with a solid theme.
The theme is pretty good, but I honestly feel like it is executed poorly
>Best characters
Naw. Most of the characters in Persona 3 are boring as fuck, cliche as fuck, and hardly ever develop. When they do develop it is only in the smallest amounts. Junpei is a standout character, but very few of his peers match his level of quality.
You know what Persona 3 DOES do extremely well? Boss fights. Every boss fight in P3 is awesome, has great build up, and is tons of fun.
>P3 is the best in the series!
And the Zelda cycle marches on.
>>339302506
that doesn'y apply here fucking idiot
>>339301884
Well yeah, but that cancer can be found in any fandom. I feel the same exact way about all the hipster ass faggots in this thread putting P3 on the biggest pedestal.
>>339302425
>secret government stuff
Wasn't it just the Kirijo group? I don't remember anything to do with the government.Not the same guy.
>>339301463
>The main reason you're going to hang with the snail eating fag or that weird poet guy dying of cancer is to get better Personna
Fuck fatty but every other social link was god tier
>hating Akinari
I hope you die you waste of space. That is one of the best social links and talking to his mother at the end of the game had me in tears.
>>339301373
*right to left
>>339291552
But P4 already did?
This thread is irrelevant because even just from the trailers, you can tell that P5 will be vastly superior to both.
>>339291552
There is no way in hell that P5 doesn't shit all over the previous games, they even have a budget to afford things besides food
>>339302641
Yes it does.
Every single game, every time, the newest one is suddenly bad and the one before that is now the best. I've seen it a million fucking times. And nobody considered P3 the best until P4 got really popular. Nobody even gave a shit about Persona because it wasn't as good as Raidou or Nocturne.
And trust me, when Persona 6 is announced, suddenly everyone will talk about how much they loved P4 and that 5 was shit.
For fuck's sake, people were calling Doom 3 good and Twilight Princess the best Zelda this year, when last year Wind Waker was the best and TP sucked, and shat on Doom 3 for not being like Doom 2.
It's a neverending cycle of hipsterism.
But actually, maybe it's a good thing, since it's impossible to talk about a game at release on /v/ without a torrent of shitposting, so it takes about a decade before we can actually have a good discussion about it.
>>339291764
I played persona 1 for like ten minutes. The writing is complete trash and if you disagree you understand writing.
>>339302425
>goverment
Its backed by Mitsuru's father not the goverment you mong. From that one statement I can tell you never even played the game.
>theme is executed poorly
This simply can not be a real statement by a real person who isn't mentally deficient. They included death, grief and loss in every social link even the fat fuck gourmet king. The execution of the game's theme of overcoming and even transcending death through our bonds with others is fantastic.
>none of the characters develop
>Mitsuru doesn't develop as a character through the loss of her father
>Fukka doesn't develop as a character through her friendship with SEES and Natsumi
>Akihiko and Ken don't develop through the lose of Shinjiro
>Yuki tan doesn't develop by findung out the truth of what happened to her father
Yep confirmed for never having played the game
Just because they don't literally confront the darkness in the heart which is as fucking ham fisted as you can get doesn't mean they don't develop as characters.
Are persona 3 fans the most obnoxious or am I the only one that thinks that?
They're like the MGS3 fans of SMT
>>339300281
The simplicity of SMT's story is why it's good. Well, I say that but I only played SJ and 4. The story are straight and to the point, unlike a lot of RPG who take a lot of pointless detour. That's not a bad thing when those detour are interesting but in P3 it's a whole lot of nothing.
>the characters are still one dimensional at the end
So what?
You have a self-insert, a bunch of towns npc who are good because they let you know the atmosphere of the ship,ageless entitys with clear defined goal who are trying to manipulate everyone, a greedy asshole who's there to make money and not talk about his life's problem, an emotionless ai who end up learning the meaning of fear, two peoples with problems who end up brainwashed and a very heroic commander. You have a strong, varied cast. It's just that they mostly talk about the goddamn demon world instead of their own shitty life. What's wrong with that kind of story?
>The alignement are cartoonish
So what? They're simple factions with clear-cut goals. What more do you want? They may not be the most deep factions to come out of a video game but they both are pretty cool. Seeing what kind of sheningan law and chaos are up to is interesting.
>>339304091
That they're utterly boring and exist just as vehicles for the gameplay.
RPGs generally come in two varieties. Games that exist just to tell a story, with no focus paid to whether the game is actually good. Games that have both engaging stories and entertaining gameplay. SMT is sitting mostly alone in a third category where the story is just an excuse to give the gameplay a bit more flavour.
>>339301939
>Everyone understands this, anon.
I think they say that, but dont really understand it. Because the concept that already exists in their head is "persona 3 = amazing/the best" while "persona 4 = not as good/greentext about it being inferior because it doesn't do what persona 3 does"
As long as that mindset exists, Persona 5 will be a let down to them, no matter great it is.
Also, it irritates me a bit how much people miss the depth in P4. Just straight up over look it, just because it is more optimistic.
P3 is all about Death.
P4 is all about Truth, Community, and Life.
P3 presents a nihilistic view of the ego and the world. Personas are used to cover up your ID. In order to forge bonds with others, you use the facade of a Persona to get close to them, never revealing the entirety of your "true self". This is further represented by how you summon personas in 3. You shoot yourself in the head. You shoot your brain. You are literally killing your own ego to summon your Persona to take over for you. Social links advance based on choosing dialogue responses people want to hear, not whats correct or right.
Persona 4 meanwhile, focuses on authentic bonds between individuals by revealing your true self to each other. Dialogue decisions in social links advance faster based on being honest and truthful, or by displaying understanding of the true self of the person you are talking to. The summoning of the persona represents this as well. Persona's are shown as something controlled by the ego and ID, as literal cards in your hand that you choose to "play". Cards you gain from experience and relationships. They are extensions of your true self more than something you use to replace it.
The villains also reflect this. Nyx continues with the Death theme and the "arcana" "facade" and "different masks" theme during the boss fight. In Persona 4, you deal with Izanami, who is reacting based on the "truth" of Human feelings and thoughts as she understands it.
>>339294090
FUCK OFF YUKARI
>>339304638
>Talking shit about best girl
Nigger i will fight you
>>339302818
Well, at least, that emo was better than the autist gothic lolita painting with her blood. Didn't she die too? I don't even remember. Hell, what was Jesus problem anyway? I simply rememver being disapointed in his story.
You're fucking retarded.
>>339291552
all you need to surpass p3 is a plot that isn't transparent weebshit and characters that aren't complete waifubait
p5 already has the latter, so im crossing my fingers for the former
>>339304854
The Gothic Lolita gave her life to save Junpei.She wasn't painting with blood man, she was drawing with a pencil.
If you mean Revolver Jesus, I think it was something like him being a test subject to bring out Persona's forcibly along with a whole bunch of other kids. Alien boy, Chidori and Jesus where the only survivors.
>>339302767
>Kirijo group
>>339303734
Ah, forgive me then. Right, not the government, but the bigger than government sized international company that does shit for multiple companies, and practically runs both the school and the artificial islands it is built on. My bad. Still falls within the same trope and cliche.
>They included death, grief and loss in every social link even the fat fuck gourmet king.
Ok? And Phantom Pain shoved its theme all over the place too. That didn't make it good or any less disapointing. Shoving a theme too hard can actually make a story worse you know? Nothing more irritating than a message that feels forced and shoehorned in.
>overcoming and even transcending death through our bonds with others is fantastic.
But you did not over come nor transcend death. You died.
Guess that theme is busted.
The developments you listed were nothing more than emotional scenes and reactions to some expository thing that happened, but then never picked up or mentioned again.
say all you want about how ham fisted P4 may be, but one thing is clear- the characters actually develop, and that development has a progression. It is not just the simple persona 3: "Oh this thing happened and I am changed now, but we are never going to bring it up or follow up on that at all! This is it!"
Persona 4 the above is the STARTING point for a party members character development, and things move on from that point forward with more development that builds off of that starting build.
In P4, character development STARTs where P3 character development ENDS. Almost by default, this makes P4 character development more thorough.
>>339303812
MGS3 fans are the braindead normies of the fanbase though.
http://vee.scay.net
get in here,
>>339305217
So just like the fanboys for P3, thanks for clearing that up!
>>339304416
>P3 is all about death
No it is about overcoming death and refusing to let your own mortality control what you do. You are seriously fucking retarded if you think that the view of P3 is nihilism when the group strega IS nihilistic and are the villians of the game.
>>339305415
P4 is normie central though
>>339305215
>Kirijo group
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Are you retarded?
>>339305215
The point was accepting that death is inevitable anon, not transcending it. At least, that's what I got from it.Although technically your MC didn't really die at all, so you could argue that he did anyway.
>>339305518
>normie central
Go to any crowd of gamers at a gamestop or con or wherever. Ask them what they think about Persona 4. The response will be "What is that?"
You greatly underestimate how niche these titles are, here in the west.
>>339305426
It is not about Nihilism- I said its view of Persona's and Social interactions is Nihilistic. And that is very well represented by both story and game mechanics. As for "overcoming death", You can't really say that when you literally die at the end. You did not overcome shit. I can agree on the whole "refusing to let your own mortality control what you do." bit though. That is a pretty solid theme in the game.
I guess when you boil it down, P3 was just too ambitious and tried to tackle too many topics and themes at once, and in the end this muddled it up a bit. Meanwhile P4 is comparatively much less ambitious and more focused narratively- and it achieves much more out of what it tries to do compared to P3.
Can we all agree this is the most emotional scene in all SMT games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXToHPsatlw
>>339305748
>the point was transcending death!
>gets called out on how thats bullshit
>The point wasn't transcending death, it was accepting it! Y-You dont even die anyway. W-w-well it could be argued he did.......technically.....maybe....
Is it that hard to just admit "yo I was wrong, I guess it can't be about this when considering that piece of evidence"?
>>339291552
B-BUT MY PS4 PURCHASE?!? I NEED JUSTIFICATION!!
>>339306452
Two different people anon, I never said it was about transcending death.
The whole message of the game is accepting that death is inevitable and not letting it control what you do in life. Hell In the intro movie before you even start playing it even says, Memento Mori multiple times.
>>339304313
>That they're utterly boring
I disagree. The world of SMT is interesting and the fact that the story is mostly centered on it is great. It's like EO, Armored Core or the Souls game. The story is simple and can be mostly ignored without affecting your enjoyement too much but if I'm playing these games, it's also to discovers what kind of stuff their worlds have. It may extremly repetitive between each game but I enjoy the variations and almost all video game story are rehashe anyway.
The center of P3 story, the characters, take way too much importance and aren't even that interesting.
>and exist just as vehicles for the gameplay.
We're playing video game anon. A story who act as a good vehicle for gameplay is more interesting than a story where they just dump boring dialogue on your face for dozen of minutes.
>>339307103
gotcha then anon. In that case I agree with you. Accepting death is a big part of the theme of the game.
>>339291552
>They think P3 is a good game
>>339307281
How is it not ?
>>339307281
At least it's not as pathetic as thinking P4 is a good game.
ok so i have a serious fucking question about P3.
Don't laugh.
You know how in persona 4 you can walk around and go to different places and basically see your options before you choose?
That shit don't fly in P3, to my great annoyance. Is there some kind of hint or anything that makes you able to either know what's gonna happen beforehand, or that there is an event to be triggered at all?
Complete turn off that you'd go to a place, but nobody was there and now time passes because fuck you.
I'm an autist and can't deal with not completing as much as i can without a guide, but it's also fucking annoying to consider that i lost events because i choose the wrong thing based seemingly on luck.. Any input on this? Was i just wrong?
>>339291552
All previous Personas were shit so it's not like P5 has it's work cut out.
>>339307447
Dull dungeon crawling.
Cringeworthy story.
Godawful pacing.
Shallow dating sim mechanics.
The list goes on
>>339292146
God damn I love that pink sweater. That shit looks so comfy.
>>339307246
Cool, glad we settled that.
>>339307281
Do maids even exist anymore? Like as an actual job, not just cosplay or Maid cafes?Assuming maid cafes exist aswell.
>>339307568
It's almost impossible to do that, in FES anyway. You can wander around with no time limit at all and it even has options that describe what things do.
Unless you mean the thing where it goes "You have fun spending time with swimming student."
>>339307807
Maybe, but I still can't name a game I played for 120 hours without ever thinking that it was boring bad.
At the end of the credits I even asked myself "Is it already finished ?"
>>339292146
Second girl from the left reminds me of Farnese from Berserk.
>>339307919
Well to elaborate (i'm >>339307568 ) It's basically the overworld when you have free time. It's been a while since i played, but you get options to go to the highschool, the beach, the mall (not necessarily those, but you hopefully get the point).
And i distinctly remember trying to go to the school, only to show up and shit goes "there was no one here" or something like that and time passed to evening, meaning i wasted an entire cycle for nothing. Does that make sense or clarify any more?
Why is it called Persona 5 if it's the third game in the series?
>>339305126
ebin
Reminder P4 was a mistake.
>>339308073
Well, what can I say, you have shit tastes. Maybe try playing more video game?
>>339307807
Cringeworthy story.
are you talking about p4?
>>339305126
bad bait famalam
>>339308245
haha epic post my dude
>>339308245
At least I'm happy with my """"shit"""" tastes, ulike you who have to go to those kind of threads and say "it's shit".
>>339308245
>I don't like certain video games
>today I will browse /v/ just to post in threads about games I don't like
>I hope mommy made me tendies tonight!
kys
>>339293880
>it's hard to get people's business cards
>>339308127
I don't recall it ever doing that in FES, but you might have played the original or P3P. I don't know about those.
You can freely wander between and around the Mall, two train stations, the shrine and school without passing time. The only thing I can think of is if you travel to the Dorm and choose to return you will skip to evening or maybe you choose something that only raises your personality traits.
>>339308669
It was actually him, but it was like two weeks ago. He confirmed it on twitter.
>>339291552
Reminder FEMC is canon, and is way better than original MC
>P4 better than anything
>>339308973
>P3 better than anything
>>339291552
whats worse... the weeb autist virgins who own ps for terrible games or the plebs who buy it for sports games?
Going for weebs as they all probably know what an imageboard is.
>>339308914
Reminder that FeMC is only as canon as Door-chan.
>>339309130
nuh uh is not a valid argument.
>>339309236
Neither was what you posted.
>>339308363
thanks ;<) my friendo of caucasian origin
>>339308396
>I'm happy in wallowing in my own shit
Good for you, little pig
>>339308549
>Try a game because people say it's good
>It's shit
>Go into the thread to express your disapointement
kysma (kys my ass)
>>339309375
yeah huh
>>339308215
I wonder what the deep philosophical reason was for having Michael Jackson in SMT 2.
>>339308080
Welp, I'm fully ERECT, and now I have to reread it.
Every Persona game is good. There's nothing to suppress.
>>339309391
>Good for you, little pig
>>339309391
We warned you bro it wasn't about sports nor shooting.
>>339309591
I'm not implying my moral is better, in fact I am, morally, the weakest here as I am acting like an asshole.
I am simply stating the fact that his taste are shit. I am taking the taste high ground if you will.
>>339309593
You told me it was going to be emotional or some shit.
>>339310083
It is emotionnal.
You probably didn't see it through all your fat.
>>339298461
>Persona 3
>actual story
HOLY FUCK. You losers have shitposted so much you actually believe your own bullshit now. Pathetic.
>>339301175
Pretty much the same boat.
I just finished it a few days ago, on ng+playing it as I post now
I fucking love this game
Almost got eye cancer from the female color scheme before I was used to it tho
>>339310196
Well it bored me to tear so there's that.
>>339301175
>>339310287
>game with one of the worst dungeon design ever, bad combat that plays itself, rubbish story where nothing happens for 40 hours, copypaste shallow anime characters
>BEST GAME EVER SHITS ON EVERYTHING I PLAYED
How is it possible to have taste this bad?
>>339310557
>bad combat that plays itself
(You)
>>339310557
There's no need to be upset m8, you can't apreciate good things but it's not your fault.
One day you'll understand.
>>339310557
lmao are you even trying
Im playing Nocturne right nowstuck with Matador
What SMT should i play after i beat it?
>>339310713
>>339310852
>>339310952
You don't like video games.
>>339311069
And this is you
>>339311063Persona 4.Nah, but really try asking /smtg/.
Going to play P3 for the first time. Spoonfeed me pls
>>339311069
Quality(lol)post, buckaroo
>>339311256
Yeah i guess you're right
Thanks
>>339311063>stuck with Matador
Use buffs
I'd recommend SMT 1, though that's the only other mainline SMT I've played, so take that as you will.
>>339311069
I'm tired of your shit m8.
>>339311332Nanako is the killer.Chidori was right.The final boss is pretty cute.
>>339311332
Don't Fuse away orpheus until you get a compendium
Don't worry about maxing every S.Link, just do the ones you like.
ALWAYS scan enemies, even bosses, trust me it helps.
Get out before you get spoiled
>>339311332
Junpei is da man.
Elizabeth is best girl.
Now get out.
>>339311332
Not much to say.
Kill all shadows on each floor before going to the next, and you should remain strong enough for major bosses.
As >>339311610 said, just hang out with people you want to,until the last 2 months when you have fucking NOTHING TO DO because you maxed the links you focused on
If you save most gems/pages/cards what-fucking-ever, you can use them on one persona end game and have a pic related motherfucker for NG+ and last few bosses
>>339310287
>I fucking love this game
Come back when you fail 6 times in a row to max every SL in P3P. Loved every playthrough though.
>>339299890
No doubt, Persona 4 was all about being yourself rather than forcibly changing it so others would like and accept you.
>>339312287
woops, wrong pic
>>339312076
does that work? don't you get tired and every enemy starts critting you like there's no tomorrow?
>>339312397
This is literally all you need for 90% of the game. Until you start fighting the extra shit at least.
>>339306119
>when you literally die at the end
Yes and? You have to accept your own mortality but the bonds you share with others trancends death and allow you to live on through them
Did everyone on /v/ miss the message of P3 or something I mean this is pretty simple shit? You literally defeat death with the power of the bonds you made with others does anyone not get this message?
>be me
>start playing P3 for the 5th time a few days ago
>get a huge smile on my face
>still finding out new things about the game
>go to /v/, "maybe I can talk about my favorite game there!"
>see this discussion
>feel like shooting myself in the face with an evoker IRL
>>339311063
Besides getting the buffs (specially rakukaja for defense and sukukaja so you can actually hit him consistently) you should make sure as many members of you team as possible can void/absorb Force, so as to make him lose turns. You can buy a magatama for Demi-fiend that does that. As to what you play next, I really recomend playing SMT I and II, because they are really that good, but if you want more Nocturne you could go play Digital Devil Saga, since that has the same combat system.
P3 Is only liked by edgelords
>>339293162
he becomes a phantom thief afterword, cause fuck this system man
>>339306119
>its view of Persona's and Social interactions is Nihilistic.
>>339312861
It's the opposite of edgy, unless you completely miss the point and/or only judge in by surface details.
>>339312861
Why?
>>339312425In portable, at leastyour condition doesn't change until you leave.
You get a message from your navigator that your party is getting tired, so you should stop for the day. So, it shouldn't be a problem.i still sometimes push harder to kill a segment boss and get sick after :(
>>339312474
I've been happy with my Odin and Siegfried, but Messiah is one crazy ass mofo. I'll probably grab him this playthrough.
Also might try an Orpheus only run on a normal new game
P3 was only ok tho
>>339312861
Yeah, just look at all this edge.
>>339312861
>Rejecting death is edgy
>>339311412
>>339312680
Thank you
I'll try buying that magatama
Reminder that Persona 3 has one of if not the greatest final boss in all of video games
>>339312861
I bet you think Adachi is a good villian don't ya bud
>>339313406
This shit was perfect
The scenery, the music
>>339313274
Yeah, I see what he means
>>339313406
I didn't care for it much as a fight, but really cool concept.Granted, I fought him at 11:30 PM and fell asleep halfway into the last phase, woke up, charged my Vita, then finished
Why do you faggots keep calling Persona 4 "Japanese Scooby-Doo"?
It's clearly based of Jojo part 4
>>339313815
>>339313406
hell yeah motherfucker
>>339314048
Heh
I wish i could romance Ms Toriumi
>>339312861
I bet you think Adachi is a good villian don't ya bud
>>339314017
Sorry I don't watch new naruto.
>>339314216
We all do
>>339313526
Adachi is better than all the Persona 3 villains
>>339301742
>an actual good story
they just did evangelion only worse and with worse characters
>>339314017
Go away jojofag
>>339314381
lol
