How unfairly will the critics rate Sonic's 25th anniversary title?
Considering it's likely to be Sonic Adventure 3, I imagine that critics will shit all over it even if it's the second coming of Christ himself. 3D Sonic, and especially anything that even acknowledges early 3D Sonic, is just too much of an easy target for lazy journo's to rip on
Probably not unfairly enough.
>>339265889
Fuck off game critic
If anything they're too generous on most of his titles. At least Secret Rings, Sonic 4, and Shadow all deserved worse scores than what they were given.
>>339265974
And Unleashed PS3/360 deserved better scores than it got, for that matter
Most post-Adventure Sonic games have been shit but Sonic has entered into some weird state whereby reviewers just throw random review scores at him. The games that are heading in the right direction generally get worse scores than they should, and the ones that really aren't all that end up punching well above their weight. The whole review system goes batshit retarded as soon as Sonic gets mentioned
It will likely be rated fairly but wren if it's actually ok there will certainly be ecelebs and clickbait sites saying LOL IT SUCCS LIKE EVERY OTHER SANIC GAME AMIRITE???? XDDD
>>339266239
>adventure
>better than heroes, unleashed, generations
lol
The opening lines of the reviews will be comparisons to Mario
>>339266642
No it will be more like
"Times have been tough for the blue blur, after attempts of entering 3D, several awkward stories, and cringe uncinematic friends, were now back with another Sonic..."
Cue the comparisons to mario. Then bring up the overrated genesis games even though they havent played them in 10+ years but thats what the popular opinion is so they go with it. Then you have the video review with the guy playing bad and saying the controls are broken. Then they trash the story and levels and say going fast sucks, even though the speeds have been dumbed down since colors. And then there will be a 4.0 score at the bottom
>>339265665
I am hoping it's Shadow the Hedgehog 2.
>>339266239
>And Unleashed PS3/360 deserved better scores than it got, for that matter
Nah, it's about right for over half the game being mediocre filler nobody wanted or asked for that completely polarizes the other half of the game.
The only thing that deserves to be changed is the WiiS2 version being ranked much lower because it's completely without merit.
>>339267028
If they ever make another one I hope they make Shadow so extremely edgy that it's basically parody of the original.
>>339265882
I pray to god that it's not SA3. I don't ever wanna play as the retarded cast of friends again, unless they're pretty much the same shit as Sonic like Blaze in the Sonic Rush games, of which Rush Adventure was particularly good.
Also, I like Blaze. Fuck my life buy I do, probably because she's a cat.
>>339265665
literally name 1 time they rated a Sonic game unfairly
![U8NxXf0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/46JtK3q.png "U8NxXf0[1].png")
>>339267542
Game's a solid 7 if you don't give a shit about Sonic, and pretty damn awesome if you do. It's probably one of the most unfair scores I've seen in the past few years.
>>339267542
Sonic Unleashed PS3/360
>>339266626
literally nowhere did I say that, Adventure was just the milestone I was using to measure the exact point in time where reviewers turned retarded when it came to the Sonic franchise
With that being said, Heroes is fucking dog dick and you should be ashamed for even loosely implying it could stand up against games like Adventure, Unleashed and Generations
>>339267727
>>339267753
but those were shit
or incase of Unleashed 2/3 was shit
>>339267869
>2/3
>>339266868
That sounds pretty accurate to me
>>339267869
I wonder if you even played Lost World.
>>339267941
(You)
Who cares about review scores?
Seriously, who fucking cares? Journalists are so off best with what makes a good game It's not even funny.
>>339267727
I've played the game. It's average. 57 is above average. The score is on point. The problem seems to be your skewed view of the reviews scale, considering an above average score "unfair".
>>339268062
Accurate as in "an accurate unfair review" is what he probably meant
>>339268062
>>339268194
>57 is average
In the game critic world, not really.
>>339268236
>>339268270
o...sorry friend
>>339268176
the average consumer cares
>>339266868
>"Times have been tough for the blue blur, after attempts of entering 3D, several awkward stories, and cringe uncinematic friends, were now back with another Sonic..."
I think you're ready to be hired after that line. Someone get this man a job at IGN.
>>339268194
Well, opinions. I thought Lost World was great and Generations was meh as fuck, and that's how it is.
>>339268349 is right, though. 57 is a complete garbage score for any videogame.
>>339267412
>I don't ever wanna play as the retarded cast of friends again
>unless they're pretty much the same shit as Sonic like Blaze in the Sonic Rush games
These are terrible, terrible opinions. The "retarded cast of friends" aren't to blame, the thing to blame is Sonic Team's shitty execution of them in the Adventure games. For that matter, Blaze is a cool character but Rush is a fucking atrocious example of alternate characters. It's cool to have characters with similar playstyles but Rush's two characters have so few differences that you're literally just playing the same game twice but with the levels in a different order.
The real gold standard for alternate characters done well is Sonic 3 & Knuckles. The game itself is arguably overrated, but the playstyle and route differences of Sonic, Tails and Knuckles in that game are how it SHOULD be done. It's all one playstyle, but every character gets worthwhile perks and deviations from the "standard" route.
But yeah, Sonic Adventure 3 would no doubt be shit. Do not want
>>339268423
It's alright
>>339265882
Sonic adventure holds up like dog shit. If they never touched that formula again I'd be happy. Only reason people have any kind of love for it is because it comes from a place of nostalgia. It was because it was the first true 3D sonic game and the first game on a new generation of consoles. It left a big impression for its time because it had too. Once the luster of that wore off people saw it for what it really was. A janky awful mess.
>>339268660
retro sonic post no.3014012490219483158
>>339268660
>the game itself is overrated
No
>>339267727
>Game's a solid 7 if you don't give a shit about Sonic, and pretty damn awesome if you do.
You don't actually like Sonic if you think Lost World is good.
>>339267727
Lost World is a terrible game. It's a confused mess that tries to be literally every platformer under the sun besides Sonic. Only a few levels actually let you use the brand new parkour mechanics in any meaningful way. The rest are minigame shit or garbage like pic related which is about as flat and has the texturing of a Sonic CD special stage.
>>339268772
>le nostalgia meme
>>339268592
I would have liked Lost World a lot of it had more consistent and solid level designs. Sonic controls really well in that game imo
>>339268797
>praising ANYTHING in the classics is now classicfaggotry
When will this meme end?
I'll give you a (You) for your troubles anyway but I'm not even a big fan of the 2D games - but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the things they do right. The differences between Sonic/Tails/Knuckles in 3K are way better and more meaningful than the absolutely miniscule differences between Sonic and Blaze in Rush.
I've been praying for a Rayman Origins style sonic game ever since the game in question came out. Clean, hand-drawn animations at 60fps, fluid gameplay, beautiful scenery, simple story.I'm personally so sick of the awkward 3D models that's been happening since adventure.
>>339268797
>I have no rebuttal to anything you said so I'll just point and laugh at you for being older than 12
fuck off pleb go back to your Overwatch threads
>>339268901
I miss when spindash used to only get you enough speed to make a loop, instead of the game-breaking dash we got in generation's classic levels.
![1643fdd6d50bf9311cd05ec5aa2a497f-d5dzlwr[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8b0SWeE.jpg "1643fdd6d50bf9311cd05ec5aa2a497f-d5dzlwr[1].jpg")
>>339269265
>awkward 3D models
That was true up until unleashed. Look at this sleek cute little fucker. No choppy mouth, doesnt look plastic, isnt super tall...this fuckers cuddly as all hell
>>339268901
2D control did feel clunky, but Sega never did 2D properly after the Genesis games in any other game, either.
Also, not necessarily they needed to make the gameplay exactly the same as before.
>>339269317
>>339269054
retro sonic post no.3014012490219483159
>>339269265
As long as they play like momentum-based platformers and not "indie-puzzle platformers"
>>339267412
>Also, I like Blaze. Fuck my life buy I do, probably because she's a cat.
blaze is god tier, friend.
>>339269525
They clashed horribly with the super realistic environment. They got better at it with colors, which is arguably the best 3D Sonic game.Generations didn't have enough content. I was one of the people who thought that we would get new level packs as DLC.
I just want a full 3D game akin to the Adventure series and '06, but Sega actually giving a shit during development.
>>339268963
If saying sonic adventure holds up like dog shit is a meme...then yeah. I fucking agree. Memes are stupid shit that only succeed in their current time. so it makes sense that sonic adventure would be one.
>>339269968
>colors
>3D game
yeah i cant take this seriously lol
>>339270114
The Wii version, dummy.
Colors was the Wii's F-Zero GX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjQPpWEXcOU
>>339270506
colors is a 2d game no matter the version mate. if you think bouncing on springs and drilling in dirt and hovering is more fun than blasting through snow caps, deserts, cities, and jungles at 300mph, i can never agree with you. unleashed in the day is the best sonic content in the series, bar none.
>>339270506
>Responding to an Unleashed fag
He wants to pretend that half of Unleashed's daytime content weren't 2D sections anyways, and most of the "3D" parts weren't about as 3D as a Crash Bandicoot level.
>>339270789
nah, that would be generations. 50 3d/50 2d. colors is like 20/80. unleashed is 70/30. although if we include werehog and hubs the game is in total about 90% 3D.
unleashed sonic stages are the best thing to ever come out of sonic and will never be topped, deal with it redditor.
>>339270729
>blasting through at 300mph
That's all there was though. It was a scenic game, that's it.
You didn't ride on a space coaster, visit a japanese-themed aquarium city, fuck up a giant alien-farming factory or run down the side of an exploding space amusement park.
>>339270954
>unleashed is 70/30.
Most of the side day acts are 100% 2D. There's regular 2D sections in the main acts, and there's only a few 3D sections in the entire game that aren't narrow corridors (IE, Crash Bandicoot "3D"). To shit on other games for being mostly 2D but praising Unleashed for the opposite even though barely any better is delusional.
You can like all you want, but don't pretend it's something it isn't.
>>339270954
The day stages barely had any variation. The night stages, as bad as they were, had more thinking involved.
>>339268660
>Rush's two characters have so few differences that you're literally just playing the same game twice but with the levels in a different order
They're not the same as far as speedrunning in Time Trail is concerned. In fact I'd say they're too different, Sonic easily outpaces Blaze in every stage except Night Carnival.
>>339271379
instead you explored the world with a bud, saw new places, and put the planet back together.
>>339271550
were not talking about side acts. while i enjoy them this is about the main acts, act 1. they are longer, faster, and more fun than anything in the series. and stop putting qualifiers when it fits you. youre admitting its 3d but not the 3d you like so it doesnt count. the main acts are mainly spent in 3d and when it does go to 2d, it still retains the high speed action rather than being an automatic warning for garbage blocky 2D platformer. those side acts like in holoska or chun nan are great because of how effortlessly they switch back and forth and flow together. switching to 2d in unleashed is simply a change of perspective. switching to 2d in colors and generations means you play mario and hop on squares and autists eat it up because to them, any platforming is good platforming. let me tell you, its not. its awkwardly injected and kills any flow that the level had.
>>339271690
they had plenty of variation with tons of different structures, architectures, verticality, and sequences.
>>339271972
Yeah, I get that Sonic has more ground speed and Blaze has better aerial mobility (through R button moves). Still, in an average playthrough it is basically just playing the same game twice in a different order, and without the Special Stages on Blaze's side of things.
Point is, Sonic Rush is a poor example of how alt characters should be done.
>>339268459
>the average consumer cares
No. They dont.
The average consumer is an underage teen who has decided what games they will buy or most likely ask for from their parents long before they come out.
>>339267727
Are you retarded? The critic rated the game a 5-fucking-7. Users rated it a 7.6.
You're basically throwing a tantrum by complaining about how much an individual outside of critics enjoys a game.
>>339272028
>youre admitting its 3d but not the 3d you like so it doesnt count
It's 3D by only by technicality, like a Crash Bandicoot level. I like Crash Bandicoot, but calling it 3D is being dishonest. There's no meaningful three dimensional movement going on since besides the occasional sidestep because nearly all the 3D sections are corridors you run down.
>>339272424
Well, it seems like I wasn't retarded enough to not read the goddamn OP of the thread, at least.
>>339272442
How about drifting and qss to rack up new speeds? Still more control than any other 3d sonic lol
>>339265882
Man, I really like that cover. They should make 2d covers again.
>>339269968
>Unleashed
>realistic environment
>fucking colors
>realistic environment
>Lost world
>realistic
>environment
Yeah you definitely haven't even played the games. They're practically Pixar films in video game form and he fits in perfectly.
Is there a slight possibility that the games are actually shitty for real?
>>339272889
I love the logo. It makes the game fee tropical.
>>339273196
retro sonic post no.3014012490219483158
>>339265665
it will be an average game and critics will make it out to be worse than Big Rigs
>>339273196
Sonic fans like to blame everyone besides SEGA, Sonic Team, and Iizuka for the Sonic Franchise becoming a joke. For whatever reason
>>339272889
>>339272919
06 was the worst offender, but Unleashed was still far too realistically styled.
Read the post again, it says that they got better with Colors.
WARNING: HOT OPINIONThere has never been a Sonic game with a good soundtrack.
>>339273393
Have you ever been in a Sonic forum? Sonic fans are the biggest haters.
>>339265665
not as badly as this
>>339273509
>WARNING: HOT OPINION
I think you mean "hot bait". Make sure you've got your (You) bag ready lad, you'll be collecting a lot of them
>>339272889
Is that real? What's that game like?
>>339273509
Cool. That's your opinion I suppose. Music Taste Varies with each person. Although, Sonic Games Music has a variaty of different genres, and you could probably find something you like
>>339273762
Nigger its sonic 3d blast
>>339273598
Yeah half of them are. The other half defend garbage like Shadow the Hedgehog and blame Sonic's downfall on games journalists, the fans, Nintendo, Microsoft etc. Anyone besides the people actually responsible for the games.
>>339266626
>Heroes
easily
Heroes does a couple of thngs right, but its stage design is far worse than either Adventure, control is worse, graphics are arguably worse (obese rings, overly glossy characters, lighting is trash in general), multi-hit enemies, bosses are worse.
>Unleashed
no (mostly -- if the werehog stages weren't so retarded fucking long, they'd be kind of decent)
>Generations
no (it's got a lot of problems actually, but nothing in it is particularly awful)
>>339268660
to be fair, several stages have Blaze only routes (because only she can go quite as high to reach them)
>>339265665
I want them to make sonic cd in 2.5d with a more fleshed out time travel mechanic
>>339273509
What is Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, you dumb mother dicker.
>>339273393
I blame Lizuka as well
>>339273509
How about all of them except for Chronicles and Labyrinth?
Man, I think I might need to call a hospital for such a retarded opinion, you have brain damage
>>339267237
HOLY FUCK THIS
imagine shadow actually says "nothing personal, kid" and kicks sonic off a plane.
Also They need to make sonic literally break the fourth wall and make shadow eat those words
>>339273509
It's okay anon, I know you mean for everyone to post their favourite sonic ost to bump the thread.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8
>>339273893
>to be fair, several stages have Blaze only routes (because only she can go quite as high to reach them)
Very few, and often they're of little or no consequence, either being tucked off into obscurity, rejoining with one of the main routes in a matter of seconds, or both.
It's a shame, I really like Blaze and I really like the Rush gameplay but it felt like a step down after the sheer variety of character abilities in 3K and the Advances
>>339273871
Personally I blame the devs and the journalists
The devs for not trying and the journalists trying too hard to make sonic look worse than he is
>>339267237
>taking candy from a baby line
I dunno, man, I think the first one already did that.
>>339273954
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/04/sonic_team_boss_takashi_iizuka_heads_to_the_us_to_oversee_new_sonic_games
Hopefully the second he arrived they locked him in a closet so he couldn't sabotage whatever project they're working on.
>>339273910
>fleshed out
What is there to flesh out? You go fast.
My one request for an upscaled sonic cd is to have the stage wipe into the teleport animation horizontally, and wipe back to whatever time frame you're travelling to in the opposit direction, so that sonic doesn't appear to stop running. It always put me off seeing sonic fly up vertically.
>>339274070
BANE?
>>339265665
Its sonic boom 2: fire ice
It will be rightly trashed for the shit that is will be.
>>339273487
Unleashed was not far too realistic by any means, it was detailed fantasy environments. Realistic is like GTA, MGS or heck even Prototype visuals. There's a clear distinction and they are far more realistic.
The only thing Unleashed and 06 have similar is the classic desert/ice stage etc tropes. Look at Holoska and whatever the ice stage from 06 is and there's a noticeably huge difference. Same goes for Arid Sands and the 06 desert stage. Unleashed is neither super realistic or overly cartoony, it's a prefix mix. And Sonic fits in perfectly.
I would say Colors is a higher fantasy than Unleashed.
>>339274085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeJ150xjkuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXHW8CYeFU
I like the DS more for that orgasmic Overdrive Guitar, but those brass hits in the Wii version are fantastic.
>>339274581
No it's not cucktard
>>339274520
By fleshed out, I meant maybe have it so it isn't just 3 places to go.
What if time gradually went back as you went fast instead of you jumping back to a certain point?
>>339273910
>2.5d
Ew, no. We'd get tiny generations metal sonic instead of baller OVA metal sonic.We'd probably also get the shitty stardust speedway remix from sonic 4.
>>339274850
>tfw no sonic 4 game based on sonic ova
truly an epic for the ages
I really feel like the boost formula doesn't get enough credit. It would NOT take much to make a really stellar boost game. The problem is, Sonic Team keep trying to toe the line between making it a traditional platformer and making it a speed fest. I say, they should go all the way with making it feel like a platformer-racing hybrid. Picture the following:
>Boost gameplay, with as many levels as they can fit. Levels are at least 80% 3D sections
>WAY more drift and quick-step sections to fill the blanks left by having less 2D sections
>Heavy emphasis on time trials - online leaderboards, ghost replays, staff ghosts (with unlockables for beating the staff ghosts) and the ability to download/upload ghosts from friends
>Online and offline racing mode through the single player levels like in Sonic Adventure 2, but without the bullshit special powers, and with up to four players
>Different characters like Blaze that have identical abilities to Sonic but different stats for turning, acceleration, boost, top speed, jumping etc.
>Outrun Mode which has you racing against the clock to reach checkpoints, complete with branching paths
>Infinite runner mode that heavily plays on the quick step mechanic
And so on. If they just accepted that modern Sonic plays more like a racing game and ran with that, they could make a damn fun game.
>>339274610
God damn holoska and shamar were so comfy
>>339274732
Because then they'd have to change the whole formula. You go back to the past, destroy the the robot teleporter, travel to the present, then the good future. It was meant to promote exploration and learning the layout of the stages.
>>339274850
At least his boss theme was good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOS6-5sV89Y
>>339274950
Sega hates the OVA.
Chronicles used the Archie comics tho
>>339275395
The OVA was the closest we got to the diabolical Robotnik from CD, even if he was a little kooky.
>>339275884
Adventure 2 and unleashed eggman is diabolical, but oh wait that doesnt count because LOL MUH CLASSIC NOSTALGIA
>>339275884
>the diabolical Robotnik from CD
I feel like Eggman's maliciousness in CD is vastly overstated just because the boss themes sound more sinister than usual
Pic related
>>339276048
Don't forget Colors with the alien holocaust
>>339276246
3D DOESNT COUNT MUH
MUH OVA
MUH CLASSIC SONIC HES PERFECT
>>339276048
He was cringey as fuck, anon. It's like they sapped all the smart out of him, and he became a comic relief robot producer and part-time world end-er.
06 eggman was a confused step towards a serious eggman, but in all the wrong ways.
>>339276106
>Eee hee hee!
>Ooh hoo hoo!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTXR0T5mJ68
So sinister.
>>339276310
I'm a classicfag but I prefer modern Eggman over classic Eggman, probably because he steals the show everytime
>>339276331
>It's like they sapped all the smart out of him, and he became a comic relief robot producer and part-time world end-er
That is absolutely not how he is portrayed in the Adventure's. Unleashed maybe - I haven't played that
>>339265665
They'll probably rate it appropriately low.
>>339276382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRrpdYlgrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoImpEy9CZg
These are certainly more sinister than, say, the Sonic 3 boss music. But yeah, Sonic CD Eggman is still the same joker he's always been, people vastly misinterpret it
>>339276106
And, y'know, the giant, all-seeing monolith in the middle of stardust speedway.
>>339276659
Can this just be a favorite OST thread now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7CyHiF-Yk
>>339276698
Eggman has always been like that. Hell, my nigga puts his face on a Death Star rip-off in Sonic 2
>>339265665
Can't wait for the inevitable Game Grumps playthrough where Arin pauses the game for 10 minutes and pretends he knows about game design.
>>339276445
Kinda like the team rocket reboot, just owns the whole show and its great.
>>339276494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2LEBFz_pzI
Eggman wants to bury sonic alive in this battle. There is an intense rivalry/hate/power play going on
Eggman is mean in unleashed
>>339276961
Having a gigantic structure of yourself with glowing eyes in the center of a ruined dystopian future is a bit different to having your face on a ferris wheel.
I will give you the death egg though, it reminds me of the moon from majora's mask. The death egg reveal from sonic 3 in sky sanctuary was amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54w7bzfM8r0
>>339277381
>Having a gigantic structure of yourself with glowing eyes in the center of a ruined dystopian future
It really is about interpretation though. In EVERY Sonic game up until Colors (where he starts going soft), Eggman shows himself to be capable of light-hearted humor whilst also being malicious and evil at the same time. It's not really any different in Sonic CD - the only thing that's changed is we can see what would happen if he actually got his way. The core aspects of his character are still the same. He still looks goofy as shit, he still makes ludicrous boss battles like the Collision Chaos pinball board, he still has a cameo as a rastafarian DJ in the sound test. We just get to see the unsustainable future he would create if he had the chance. I don't feel like the Eggman in CD is any different to the Eggman in other games at all.
It just feels like people vastly over-exaggerate his darker features in the older games and his lighter features in the new games, when in reality he was actually pretty consistent (06 notwithstanding) up until the new writers came on board. His attempts to nuke Station Square and kill Tails in Adventure 1, not to mention the hostage scene in Adventure 2 strike me as more devious and diabolical than making a big statue of himself.
