>all these games STILL arent cracked
Is piracy over?
>>339262468
>shit nobody cares about playing
>no resources allocated to cracking it
WELL BLOW ME DOWN
>>339262468
The Chinese gave up on Devour
i bought DOOM coz its awesome.
>>339262468
Is it bad I dont care about any of those games?
I might care about Hitman next year when its finished and not early access bullshit.
>>339262583
Keep telling yourself that but a lot of those games would be in the top ten pirated list if they were cracked.
>>339262583
>Rise of The Tomb Raider
>Doom
>Just Cause 3
>"shit nobody cares about"
pretty sure struggling to understand other people's feelings and thoughts about things is a symptom of autism bud
>>339262928
Shit movie games. Warhammer is the only one in the list worth pirating.
>>339262468
Only game I care about in that list is DOOM
That list will most likely be huge in the future tho
The only game on this list that interested my was JC3 and I regreted it
>>339262852
Yea I would Pirate it, but it wouldnt be fun to play them, so delete instant.
Face it cracked or not, most of these games are just bad.
>>339262928
Dont know about Doom, but JC1-3 were shit.
>>339262620
yeah but its a single play experience so just crack it
>>339263209
I'm not taking a stand on whether or not they're good or bad because that's fucking subjective. I'm saying they're popular enough that people genuinely do care about them.
>>339262468
I won't deny I want to play Doom and Warhammer, but here's the fact: I'm not gonna buy it blind, especially Warhammer since it's a genre I don't usually go for. If the devs fuck me out of pirating their game, any chance that I might have bought it is gone.
I'm out a game among millions, they're out a sale among millions. The system works, I guess? Wonder how long the devs will keep paying Denuvo's premium for no notable sales increase.
>>339263308
>Denuvo's premium
Didn't that one dirt-poor indie game have Denuvo? It can't be too big of a premium.
>>339263308
>buying blind
this also. Who does this?
All these buyers remorse threads and some still didnt learn
>>339263292
>I'm saying they're popular enough that people genuinely do care about them.
JC3 was barely talked about on /v/, it's like no one cared about it. How did it sell? I'd wager it did disappointingly.
>>339262928
>Just Cause 3
Shitty sequel
>RotR
Shitty reboot sequel
>Unravel
Hipster memeshit
>PvZ:GW2
Lazy cashgrab
>Far Cry Primal
Unga bunga caveshit
>Hitman
Hasn't been good since Blood Money
>Need For Speed
Oh wow another cars go fast game
>Adr1ft
Number in the word meme, fucking dropped
>DOOM
We want the Halo audience
>Homefront
Literally what
>Warhammer
Might be worth a look
Yeah, masterpieces all round there
>>339263478
Nah fuck you, Garden warfare 2 its good.
They only thing I cared about from this list was DOOM so I just bought it for 30 eurobux and the singleplayer campaign is amazing.
>>339263478
wait until FFXV comes out and u cant crack it
>>339263308
technically you could just get them on Steam and return them if they turn out to be shit within ~90 minutes
unless you are also opposed to Steam
>>339263692
would rather torrent it desu
>>339263414
Lords of the fallen? pretty sure they paid a nicer price than the others, no one knew what denuvo is back when it came out.
>>339263789
It's worth the money, just don't open up the multiplayer.
>>339263705
Why would I care about some faggy weebshit?
>>339263741
I don't care about either game that much, I'm perfectly content to wait it out.
The only one there I care about is Need for Speed, and it's not even an "I need to play this" kind of caring.
>>339263741
That's not the point. It's more the restriction of freedom. I always pirated games before I bought them seeing as Demos aren't a thing anymore.
That or I just pirated to screw over a shitty company.
>>339263623
In what way is it an improvement on its predecessor?
Anyone know how much the Denuvo actually cost to have a game protected?
Is it a set price or like a % of your profits?
>>339263943
And now the shitty company will screw you :^)
>>339263478
why did you make this post? you could have just said they were all shit
>>339263947
more charaters, more maps, fixed issues with the clasic charaters, you can play with all you unlocked in the previous game and it still got free updates.
>>339263741
Having to fork out cash changes your rapport to the game. Also while the steam refund is good -if too limited- I hate having to watch my playtime to avoid busting a certain threshold.
>>339262468
Are groups even trying to crack it? Because that's all that matters yet you never show a single source.
>>339262468
Denuvo will be fully cracked when Mankind Divided comes out.
Just watch.
>>339263414
Contract are negotiated on a product basis. Denuvo isn't going to charge a company like SQEX as much as a small indie dev. No one operates this way.
There's most likely a set price agreed upon both party depending on expected sales and/or a royalty per copy sold. It's in Denuvo's best interest to see their technology featured in as many products as possible, they're in a stage where they need more clients so scaling the price is vital.
>>339264110
I said that the first time, some raging faggot disagreed.
>>339264038
How exactly? All they're doing is guaranteeing they don't get my money. They're costing themselves my sale. There's too many games out there to care about a halfway decent FPS or some potentially overhyped RTS.
Ubisoft has already experienced what happens when you "kill" piracy. It cost them 90% of all their PC sales. Seems the industry never learns.
>>339263478
RoTR is quite good.
>>339262583
>I-it's didn't like them anyways, baka!
>>339264038
Not really...? Not that anon but what's the worth that will happen, him never ever playing that game? Pretty sure he will survive.
Also, if I understand it right, Denuvo currently takes a long time to crack, enough for the main bulk of the sales due to hype to be done. So that anon will eventually get his hands on the game, if he still cares at this point.
>>339264361
But I'm not even slightly interested in playing those games. What point are you trying to make?
>>339264027
Most likely agreed in advance according to publisher's targets and ROI calculations.
A company like SQEX (which has been heavily using DRM for all their PC release), should know by now what's the ROI of using Denuvo vs another kind of DRM vs no DRM at all. So they'll pay accordingly.
If Denuvo increases their profit by X %, they can afford to invest a part of that X % into Denuvo (or any other technology).
>>339264386
Pretty much this.
Over 80-90% of revenues (!= unit sold) are made within the first month of the release. That's what publishers wants to protect the most, seeing their product cracked 6 months later when it's already pretty much 50% off everywhere isn't that relevant to them.
The most I'd pay for any of these games blind is something like 5 bucks. I paid full price for all games I liked after pirating.
>>339264697
It's a shame demo disks aren't a thing anymore
>>339264642
WHile that's true, I've yet to see any indications that these Denuvo games have sold better than non-denuvo games. Most have performed disappointingly.
>>339262468
Ever since I stopped being a broke ass teenager I just don't have as much willingness to pirate. Makes me feel like a nigger. I'll pirate DLC though
>>339263210
multiplayer isn't exciting imo, even blackops is better.
no crack so had to buy it.
30% off on lunch day.
$36
>>339264497
Eventually there will be a game you're interested in and you won't be able to pirate it.
>>339264959
>im fucking plying that I give a shit about games
I would pirate a few of these games if I could for sure. If Denuvo becomes even more prevalent I'll be playing a lot less games for sure.
>>339264497
>"These games aren't relevant to MY interests so there's no discussion to be had."
>>339264796
The fact that companies like SQEX keeps using the technology proves that there's some decent level of ROI for them.
That's how you determine if something is effective or not. If it wasn't effective, then Denuvo would llose their customers, simple as that.
No publishers is going to pay for something that doesn't provide any return of investment (no matter how small it is). That's not how companies work. When you give money to a third party like Denuvo, you need that budget approved. You make a deck and present it to whoever sign your checks in your company (typically goes up to the CFO for very large contract, or just some VP for smaller contracts) and convince them that for every dollar invested, you'll get 1.xx$ or more in return.
Those execs and chiefs aren't retarded and won't toss money at something that doesn't work.
Since I got a job this literally doesn't matter to me any more. You guys should try it. inb4 buying blind
>refunds exist
Inb4 I have better things to spend money on.
Then enjoy them and stop crying about vidyageams.
>>339263308
This 100%.
The only reason I haven't bought Total War: Warhammer yet is because I couldn't pirate it to see how it runs and if the game is worth 60€.
The only thing DRM does is prevent some additional sales at full price. I'll most likely be buying Total War: Warhammer off of g2a when it's 20€ or something instead. Funny thing is, with Denuvo SEGA doesn't see my money either way.
>>339265052
It's not that. Seriously.
So far it seems that only giant publishers that want to milk their IPs pick up denuvo.
>>339265309
>The fact that companies like SQEX keeps using the technology proves that there's some decent level of ROI for them.
Does it?
>No publishers is going to pay for something that doesn't provide any return of investment (no matter how small it is). That's not how companies work
Are you sure? Again, Ubisoft lost 90% of their PC sales some years ago with their DRM, and they still call that a "victory over pirates".
I honestly think most of this DRM dependency is less about profits and more about appeasing investors by not letting them dirty pirates have shit for free.
>>339265309
>Those execs and chiefs aren't retarded and won't toss money at something that doesn't work.
DRM didn't work for almost a decade before Denuvo, and "execs and chiefs" still kept throwing money at it.
>>339264167
Also that games tend to have great starting sequences and everything afterwards is just a wreck.
>>339262468
Are terrible games that nobody care. You see Warhammer or Hitman threads here?
>>339262468
I just made an unauthorized copy of your image, OP.
>>339262583
Doom and NFS 2016 are two I'd like to play, honestly.
>>339262468
>less than 15 games
>Out of the literal millions
Why do people that don't understand the industry even bother posting?
>>339265905
Maybe when they're 5-15 dollars, I guess. It's not like I wnt doom for the MP.
>>339265548
>Are you sure? Again, Ubisoft lost 90% of their PC sales some years ago with their DRM, and they still call that a "victory over pirates".
Ubisoft lost them because their method screwed over legitimate customers, not just pirates
>>339265548
Investors -only- look at the ROI. They don't give a fuck about ethics or anything else. This isn't a battle about the ideology of "not letting people get shit for free".
As for SQEX, again I hardly doubt they're losing money by using Denuvo or they would have stopped. What's also possible is that Denuvo themselves gave them an extremely good deal just so their technology gets featured into a lot of recent AAA games, in hope of attracting new publishers.
>>339265647
How do you even know it didn't work? Working doesn't mean it stopped piracy or that its effects were visible to you, working mean that for every dollar invested into a DRM, you at least got a dollar back or more.
That's it. So maybe the ROI was extremely low, but it was there. While it's possible to invest into something that doesn't work (company don't always win, and not all investments provide expected returns), when something does fail you typically stop investing money in it.
Based Denuvo.
>>339263462
>buying blind
>literally a hundred-thousand shlubs providing gameplay footage
I've literally never spent three minutes looking at gameplay footage on twitch or jewtube, bought a game, and thought "Fuck. I got so fucked. This game is shit."
I can tell you from viewing game content that I'd like playing the boss fight in Doom and would be bored by the previous nine hours.
I mean if you don't know enough about what you like in games or what design choices make for rewarding vs. addictive experiences then maybe work on your exposure to video games.
>>339266229
That's only half the point, anon. Fact is, DRM hasn't worked for a decade, and they keep shoving money at it.
>>339266282
>How do you even know it didn't work?
Because fot the past 10 years pirated versions of games were literally out Day 1, often mere hours after release (and weeks before on consoles)? In what universe could that be considered "working"?
Especially considering stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
>>339266567
Often times the gameplay is good, but the game is shit. See: MGSV.
>>339262468
>homefront 2 actually uses denuvo
didnt even know the game was out, their sales must be in negative numbers
>>339266282
Also, how do you calculate ROI on a DRM? It's impossible to compare profits with DRM and profits without simultaneously.
>pirate tears
All this denial in this thread
>>339262468
>FIFA
normie trash
>Just Cause 3
>rehash
>Rise of the Tomb Raider
forgettable shit like the 2013 game
>Far Cry Primal
ubisoft open world cancer
>Hitman
tons of flaws in it
>Need for Speed
>Adr1ft
who cares
>Doom
good game
>Homefront: The Revolution
shit series
>Total War: Warhammer
who cares
>>339266229
This is specifically why I don't buy any PC uplay games.
>>339262468
didn't it take two years to break securom?
>>339267121
Denuvo is an evolving anti piracy software. Its just keeps getting stronger every time you crack it. Soon Denuvo will be uncrackable.
>tfw not a poorfag doing mental gymnastics to deny I'm butthurt about this right now
>>339267121
except it won't happen this time, since Denuvo is always ahead of the script kiddies
>>339262468
x64 debugger will finish off denuvo, the chinks can crack it without that but have been paid off (also exhaustion).
All the major western crackers are pouring money and time into the x64 debugger to put an end to the eternal denuvo.
It's sole success lies in exploiting the lack of an x64 debugger... and paying off the Chinese madmen who cracked the others through sheer maddening determination.
All these games will have codex, reloaded, r.g. mechanics added to the end before the year is out
>>339263053
>Doom
>Just Cause 3
>movie games
Do you even know these games, anon
>>339264242
Citation needed
>>339263478
To sum it all up: "It's not cracked, therefore it's shit"
>>339262468
>One game I need (but wont buy,I'll never pay for vidya).
>One game I would try
Fuck, I hate to admit it, denovo sucks.
>>339263478
>Sour Grapes: The Post
>>339266757
Not when you are a large publisher, you have more than enough data to analyze purchase patterns and see if there's an improvement when using DRM or not. You also have an idea on how much piracy costs you and therefore can estimates how much you should spend to fight against piracy.
Yes not all products are the very same, but sales still follow a pattern.
I don't know if you ever worked in a company, but if we follow your logic, forecasting and budgeting would be impossible.
Have you only worked in shit places where you never had to present a proposal to an executive for it to be approved? How do want to convince people who assign you money if you are unable to prove that there will be positive long term returns? How do you justify your department expenses if you are unable to prove that your action had a positive impact for the company?
That person in charge of implementing DRM is one headcount that cost you money. Denuvo (or any other company) also cost you money. You -have- to justify theses costs.
>>339262468
>Is piracy over?
No, but you could just go out and steal the game like a normal thief instead.
>>339267430
Do you?
>>339267392
Do you have a single fact to back that up
>>339267430
Just Cause 3 doesn't deserve to be propped up. It's a garbage downgrade from 2.
>>339262468
give me enough money and I'll build software to automatically circumvent Denuvo for any game.
>>339267701
Holy shit
I forgot this existed
Only big companies who don't even need this protection seem to be using it so doesn't really affect me tbqh.
>>339267732
Eh.
Both have their strengths and weakneses.
They're both an 7.5 in my book.
Doom and Tomb Raider really are great though.
>>339263478
Serious question
Name one (1) game I should play. (PC)
>I promise you I'll play and beat it,even if it takes me my whole life.
>>339268024
dustforce
see you at the top of the leaderboards, anon
>>339267690
>Not when you are a large publisher, you have more than enough data to analyze purchase patterns and see if there's an improvement when using DRM or not.
Seems like some monster conjecture, just because similar games are sold doesn't mean they'll sell remotely the same. It always seems devs blame the bad games selling less on piracy. Yet somehow good games come out with no DRM, and they sell millions.
But then again intellectual property math has always been a lot of bullshit. I mean, they've been pushing for years about how every download is a lost sale.
And again, consideing DRM has effectively NOT WORKED AT ALL for the past 10-ish years, I highly doubt there's any way you could really justify DRM. The fact that they kept pushing for it makes me very skeptical of your idea that execs aren't retarded.
>>339267834
You lucky bastard.
>>339267834
worth watching for rosemund pikes perky nips
>>339262468
only game on that list I want to play is hitman, and I'll just wait for the square.enix sale to pick it up.
>>339262928
>Tomb Raider
>Just Cause
At least use good fucking examples you retard
>>339268215
Not so lucky anymore he now remembers it
>>339268024
Is 100% complztion on the table? Because just beating an arcade or scoring game isn't so great, you need to delve into the mechanics to aim for the perfect score.
In which case I would name Hotline Miami 2.
Show me comboes that go through floors anon!
>>339262468
OP, let's play a game.
>go to /vg/
>find a general dedicated to any of these games
if a game doesn't get a /vg/ general, it means no one on /v/ gives a shit about it. even games like the division, which released not that long ago, doesn't even have a general.
>>339267274
Second that
D44m, warhammer and primal cry (for just seeing it)
>>339268415
>Tomb Raider
>not good
Let me guess. It's a "movie game", right?
Who the fuck keeps marketing for Denuvo?
>>339267937
>I hate Tombs 2 is really great
>>339268792
only a small percentage of /v/ is a potential denuvo customer
if any corporate activity was at play it would be market research
>>339262468
Only games I care would be Hitman and maybe Tomb Raider.
I plan on buying Warhammer, Doom and Just Cause 3.
Pirate fags always mock people for buying products, yet they're saying the only reason they're not buying games is because they can't pirate.
Digital niggers are delusional.
>>339262583
I wanted to pirate Doom tho
>>339269045
What a wild imagination.
>>339268605
Let's play a new game called no one gives a shit about /vg/. Anyone that does is in that board, not this one.
>>339262468
>posting shit from reddit
>>339269045
I realize you are too young to remember shareware and demo discs but you used to be able to try games before you bought them. Big companies don't want you trying games these days because the majority of them are boring rehashed trash that play the same as the last game. They want you to buy the game outright before trying it so you are more likely to keep it.
>>339262852
So why are none of them in the Top selling list?
Exactly, because they are not worth buying, only pirating.
>>339263292
>D44M is the only one that managed to sell somewhat decently
>people genuinely care about them
Although I think that TWW is actually outselling D44M by a lot right now, but that might be because it's finally happened and a Denuvo game that isn't shit has come out.
>>339262468
not having doom and total warhammer is actually hurting
I wonder if developers use their spare time to browse these threads to taste the salt
>>339269370
>nobody cares about these games
literally at top selling games at steam right now
Cant you guys at this point know the types of games you like? Why would you need to resort to piracy to know if you'd like a game? There is a ton of information about the games out there you should be able to know how to properly parse this to see if you would enjoy the game. I haven't regretted a game purchase since the first assassins creed. Anyone who is old enough post here should know their own tastes well enough to know what they like and how to find the games that fot your standards without piracy
>>339269393
this
caved in and bought DOOM form a keyseller site some days ago for half the price
no money for warhammer oroverwatchleft now though
fuck this gay shit
>>339268792
Yeah I can imagine millions of game company executives who go on /v/
Piratefags are just uppity faggots like atheist with their moral justification for thefts and "giving it to teh man" and it's fun to watch them squirm
>>339269514
But I could pirate Far Cry 4 and I didn't. Those Ubi open world turds are so bland at this point that who would want Far Cry stone age edition, this time you climb stone towers
>>339269618
>he didn't like the first assassin's creed
This is how shit buycucks are. Laugh at this pleb.
>>339269618
because they're like 12 years old, isn't it obvious?
>>339269237
So piracy didn't exist during the age of shareware and demos? When a game is released there isn't tons of feed back, videos and even guides that detail the game and aspects for you?
Pirates just want a free ride, it has nothing to do with be able to test the fucking game. Especially considering you probably buy less than 10% of the shit you pirate.
>>339269514
>don't know the warhammer series
>last doom I played was 2 and hated it
>last time played tomb raider was on the psx
>tried just cause 2 and hated it
>all far cry titles are the same shit
>never heard of homefront so can't comment
>first dishonored was terrible
>hitman looks cool and will be on sale soon enough
>I own deus and it's shit
if you guys want to make pirates feel jelly, wait for when FF15 is released behind denu.
>Piratefags pretending they're the victim in all this
>>339263705
if a big game like ffXV will use denovu you can bet you ass all 1337 hax0r crack0rs will work their asses of cracking it. and they will have sucess(see mgs5).
its just that their is no real demand for most of the shit games which use denuvo, so they dont really want to invest their time on it.
>>339269618
>>339269701
The first Assassin's Creed was the only good one. It was the only one to innovate and try something new. The traveling was a bit slow but I enjoyed the entire game. Then every sequel was the exact same. You need to try them to figure it out. You can't tell from the previews because they trick you with CG scenes and bullshots about all the stuff you can "supposedly" do in game.
>>339262468
>2 out of 12 of these games are even worth looking at twice
What a huge loss
>>339269925
>Especially considering you probably buy less than 10% of the shit you pirate.
But that 10% is more than the total nonpirates buy, and I am 100% free of buyer's remorse as well.
>>339269564
>newest big titles
you sure told him, sport
>>339269701
I don't like any Assassins Creed game or any Ubisoft open world game. I know my tastes enough to know that and there is enough info out there that I can tell when a game is one of those
It's easy to buy stuff you actually like
>>339267701
DUDE LETS MAKE DOOM WITHOUT DEMONS
denuvo people paid cracking groups for a temporary stop, shit won't last obviously
>>339270037
first Assassin's Creed was the only good one
>Then every sequel was the exact same
the first assass is repetitive and garbage, they improved upon every single aspect of it in 2 and made an actual good game
you are full of shit
>>339270081
Yes I did because he said they aren't in Top Selling lists which is obviously not true
>>339270037
Nah you don't you just need to know how to not fall for hype. Be critical of game footage. It's easy to see games you will enjoy if you know how to look and understand what you yourself values
The worst thing about denuvo is people bringing it up in every thread when talking about a game that has it, rather than anything about the actual game
>>339268781
faggot
>>339269514
>homefront actually on the tree
put it on the ground half-buried somewhere
>>339262468
>Spend hundreds of dollars on the PC mustard meme
>Can't afford games
>Pirate them
>They can't be cracked now
PC cucks on suicide watch.
>>339270401
y-you too
>>339262468
while some games main benefit it I'm pretty sure Rise of Tomb Raider and Just Cause 3 bombed because of Denuvo.
You can just grab games off grey market sites usually at a substantial discount if you care enough.
It uses online authentication of some sorts, doesn't it?
If anyone really was frustrated much - they would just ddos those servers and it will stop working at all.
>>339270445
this
>every denuvo thread
>>339262468
Call me when a worthwhile game gets denuvo'd, maybe then i'll care
I had a few lines typed out before I realized you were trolling. Good job, here's your "(you)".
>>339270350
You are pretty ignorant. You can't know how a racing game handles until you try it. I thought The Crew looked amazing until I got into the open beta. Every car handles like they are on ice and no amount of tinkering or tuning changes that. I would probably have bought it if not for the beta. Most games are like this. Since everyone likes different things you might prefer the combat of a game once you play it even though it doesn't visually strike you. WH 40K: Space Marine looks generic as fuck and I bought it on a whim with some friends and it was fun as hell. No amount of research can tell you these things.
>>339264759
Denuvo seems really bad for Indie games, honestly.
I mean imagine if Minecraft launched with Denuvo, /v/ would have never shilled it into a billion dollar game.
>>339269564
Only Doom, you mean.
I think Doom is the only one people really want to play that has Denuvo and wasn't cracked. Nobody is going to lose sleep over not playing rehashed ubishit or yet another extremely scripted tomb raider game
I'll admit some titles that might be good will use it, like Dishonored 2, Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Mirror's Edge Catalyst
>Total War Warhammer
This is the first I'm hearing of this game and it looks fucking sweet. Haven't paid any attention to the strategy genre since Age of Mythology was new. The only issue is
>Turn based bullshit
Yeah no thanks pass
So I guess that leaves Doom.
>>339272182
>>Turn based bullshit
You mean turn based glory, best battle system.
Death to ARPGfags.
I dont really want to play any of those, otherwise I would have just bought them.
>>339271212
Yes it can
I don't usually like car games but if I did I would get impressions from people I trust about the handling of it being a Ubisoft open world game didn't destroy my interest in it immediately.
This is easy for me because I care for gameplay above all else and can recognize good gameplay without someone having to say it's good. Its really easy if you don't discount things based on their genericness like you did WH 40k a while ago
>>339272276
Can't think fast enough for real time I see, it's okay everybody's different
>>339262468
>spend $60k on an anti-piracy scheme
>sales figures don't increase by $60k
That's a loss even if you stop all piracy
I don't know how much it costs to license and integrate Denuvo but it isn't cheap, if these games aren't breaking more than that cost PAST their sales targets, it won't last long.
There's often a theoretical debate about whether piracy hurts sales ("I wouldn't have bought it anyway", or "I would have bought it if I could try it first", etc) but there's not nearly ENOUGH discussion about whether the cost of implementing the anti-piracy measures is actually offset by better-than-expected sales figures
>>339272708
>>339272182
Only the overworld is turn based, the actual battle is real time.
>>339272708
Can't focus enough to think for one second instead of relying on reflexes, huh?
>>339269618
>>339269756
Do you buy all your movies before you watch them and hope they are good?
Do you but all your music before you hear it and hope that it's good?
Do you buy a painting before you see it and hope it's good?
Do you buy a car before you drive it and hope it's good?
Do you buy a fucking house without going inside and hoping it's livable?
Every fucking day I come on /v/ I see people getting completely shit for not playing a game they never played. "You haven't even played the game anon you can't say it's fucking bad based off a gameplay video!" Yet those same videos and paid reviews are good enough to base my purchasing decisions on? Get fucking real.
Actively condemning pirating is like being a crab in a bucket, trying to pull the other crabs down with you. You're creating a dumber, less experienced and much smaller user base that's less likely to continue to be interested in the media up to a point where they start giving back and make their arguments from there instead of all this piracy=theft and law=morals bait horseshit.
>>339272725
>There's often a theoretical debate about whether piracy hurts sales ("I wouldn't have bought it anyway", or "I would have bought it if I could try it first", etc) but there's not nearly ENOUGH discussion about whether the cost of implementing the anti-piracy measures is actually offset by better-than-expected sales figures
In a way, it doesn't matter. Shareholders just want to be reassured that the game sells and isn't stolen, they don't know or care what happens. But yeah, it's not sustainable long term.
>>339270350
Game footage will never be a substitute for first hand experience with a game.
>>339272541
>I care for gameplay above all else
>Only trust IGN and Kotaku for your gaming news!
Ok, retard.
>>339272930
>Shareholders just want to be reassured that the game sells
So how does DRM increase sales again?
>and isn't stolen
You can't steal a copy
>>339270598
Its silly to watch. "Doom, Tomb Raider and Just Cause 3 aren't even big games! Nobody wants to play them!"
Bullshit. They know for a fact if they were cracked they'd be slurping that shit up like it was water in the desert. Denuvo will eventually be broken, and when it does these games will all be playable, but right now they're not so we've got a fox and the grapes situation going on.
>>339272541
>This is easy for me because I care for gameplay above all else and can recognize good gameplay
Not if you haven't played it.
>>339262468
Literally the only good game there is DOOM. The rest are unknown bullshit.
>>339273104
but people already played Tomb Raider, and it was painfully average, tons of people say ROTT is just more of it
Doom yes, people would be all over it
>>339273053
How does it hurt sales?
>>339273104
>"Doom, Tomb Raider and Just Cause 3 aren't even big games! Nobody wants to play them!"
With the exception of Doom that is a true statement. RoTR and JC3 failed to make major sales on PC.
Right now Doom is the only game that people want to play. Fags like OP are listing Fifa and Homefront and using the fox and the grapes meme just makes you look silly.
>>339272930
Not really, all shareholders want to see is Net Profit. Shareholders don't give a shit about shrink, in fact it's basically expected in every industry, they care about whether or not it can be reduced in a cost-effective way.
Didn't you ever wonder why stores have shaded security camera domes? Because 50-100% of those domes DON'T have cameras. A less effective anti-theft measure, but a much more COST effective one, which is why they do it.
No shareholder is happy to hear "we would have made back the budget were it not for this $26k DRM system, but hey, there's no working PirateBay torrents!" They want to hear that profit was made.
>>339273256
Don't answer a question with a question.
>>339262468
Look at all these games I didn't plan on buying anyway
>>339273408
Don't ask retarded questions, then.
>>339273256
It doesn't have to hurt sales to be a negative because it has a non-negligible cost.
DRM has to increase sales to a degree sufficient to entirely offset its cost.
>>339273104
Being a huge fan of DOOM since a kid I wanted to try the new DOOM but was never planning to play it in the first place. This just ensures that my lack of interest remains that way. There was a small chance that I would have payed for it if I got to try it through pirating. Hell, if companies started making demos again I'm fine with pirating no longer existing.
>>339272947
No but it can be a decent filter
A gameplay video interests you then you do a small amount of research
Easy
>>339262468
Crap games no one wants to even play.
>>339272836
Nah just rather not wait around for some cuntbag to take 5 minutes to move his widdle peon 2 squares. so cute almost like chess except chess isn't a complete waste of its technological potential.
>>339273702
So now you are going back on what you said before. Make up your mind, shill.
>>339273702
Still objectively inferior to first hand experience with a game. No amount of "research" will ever match it.
the only thing I'd be interested would be Doom
it's not cracked by now and I still haven't bought it. Guess that means they wouldn't have lost my sale if it was cracked right from the start?
>>339263308
this, i wish demos were still a thing
But Doom can be played on Steam without buying it so it's already bypassed.
>>339273541
How was my question retarded exactly? You failed to answer how DRM increase sales, instead replying with a "no u" style question like a brainless ape.
Your question is completely retarded because even if you pretend people who won't buy games with DRM don't exist, DRM has a demonstrable loss to the company (license fee and implementation) whereas piracy does not. Which means DRM is a net loss even if sales remain the same without it.
It's like asking "what do you have to fear if you have nothing to hide?" Privacy doesn't need an argument for the sake of it, same with DRM-Free media.
>>339272832
this
>>339273909
>>339274084
>>339274502
Well, boys. Shills abandoned thread, Denuvo officially blown the fuck out. Time to go home.
post yfw
>denuvoshills are at it a gain after months of absence
pathetic
>>339276185
THis list is stupid because Warhammer just came out. Every single Total War game has been cracked.
>>339262468
Nice shit game list
>Denuvo eventually gets cracked
>instead of killing piracy it kills modding instead
>>339277483
Whether a denuvo game gets modding support or not depends on the developers. People seem to forget how rare it is that games get mod support at all.
>>339265393
>The only reason I haven't bought Total War: Warhammer yet is because I couldn't pirate it to see how it runs and if the game is worth 60€.
this is what pirates actually want you to believe
no you fuck, you just want to play the game for free
why the hell do people need to lie about this, its so obvious
We have this thread every 7 hours but didn't all the big name crackers come out and straight up say they'd lay off for an entire year to see if pirating actually does impact sales?
>>339278538
lmao sounds like an excuse because they can't crack denuvo, I doubt they said that
>>339278538
if by big name, you mean only one and thats 3DM
crackers don't go out and make statements
>>339262468
Couldn't have come at a better time. Any time a big budget game gets Denuvo I thank my lucky stars that I don't have to spend an x amount of hours finding out that it's terrible.
All I play now is a. indie or b. something I know ahead of time I'll definitely enjoy. It's a great weaning system. Two years from now I'll be ready to give up video games altogether, right in time to start a family.
>>339264796
Warhammer is the fastest selling total war game to date, Doom already sold half a mil only on PC
>>339268024
>>339263308
>If the devs fuck me out of pirating their game, any chance that I might have bought it is gone
And how many games you have pirated and bought after finishing them for the price that they had when you pirated them?
Pirates are truly so far up their own ass they believe the shit they say to justify their behavior.
>>339263478
So what was the last great game you played?
I cant wait for this responce
>>339264759
demos in this day and age don't mean shit. it could still trick you into buying a very bugged game or something that is in no way worth 60
its the case for warhammer, the gameplay is good, its the same total war gameplay that has always been, but fuck no that shit ain't worth 60, not with the amount of content it has and the amount of DLC that is gonna be popped out. plus there's been reports of bugs. its Jewery
>>339279140
ur'e mum's dust cunt u fagit, hows that 4 a "responce" fukn idiot
>>339264796
That's hardly denuvo's fault. Most of the games in that list with poor sales have simply been shit with little to no marketing.
>>339263692
Is it good, though, I watched a half hour gameplay video and it looks like:
>boring generic space-station graphics
>move in linear fashion from arena shoot out to arena shoot out.
>monsters look like deformed afterbirth
>shitty, gets-old-real-fast, insta-kill animations
>>339279140
League of legends
>>339263478
Compared to
>Undertale
yeah okay
>>339279358
Basical your a complete shut in who can't afford the only hobby you have and devo has taken that away from you, so you post in this thread to make yourself feel better
>>339279398
If you are just watching a video like some autistic kid watching minecraft to judge the game you are an idiot.
Oh wait, thats right you cant try the game before you buy because of the shitty copy protection.
>people legitimately acting as though any of these games are worth dedicating any amount of time to
>Need a >$2,000 rig to play games
>Don't want to spend $40 in a game
Is the PC """"""""""""""""""""""master""""""""""""""""""""""" race truly the most despising human group of this era?
>>339279880
Or buy it from STEAM and return it if you don't like it.
Also, I hope someone smashes your face in with a brick.
>>339280093
lol, yea 2 hours is enough to judge how good a game is. Thats such a retardly stupid thing to say I would guess you don't even buy games, you just watch people play on youtube like a autistic loser.
>>339279775
>your
lfmoa holy shit r u 4 real what a dork
on july 29th denuvo will be cracked.
>>339280750
why?
I hope piracy is over. That way shit publishers can stop blaming pirates for poor sales and instead be shown for the bait and switch fags they truly are.
Looking at you Ubisoft.
>>339272947
you should be able to tell if a game is good by watching it and analyzing the mechanics. if you can't you are a casual or bad at theorycrafting or both.
