>"hey you D.Va over there, go take out Widowmaker/Bastion/turret or whatever in their backline. it's your job, m8"
>use E and fly to them safely negated all incoming damage
>"i'm in melee range now. my dual automatic shotgun will kill them in matter of second"
>Bastion turn around and burst your ass in less than second
>Widowmaker Grappling Hook away or just simply run away because your walk speed while shooting is slow as fuk
>Thorbjörn right click and his turret gangbang you
she really need damage buff in close range and maybe walk speed while shooting
Git gud
Make her gun like heavy' minigun from tf2 and she'll be good.
Right now the slow walking speed doesn't make sense because of how laughable her damage is. Add a spin up time and increase the damage
>>339249867
>switch to Winston
>accomplish all of above with 0 effort
what's point of her when others tank just outclass her in every way?
>>339250690
Because D.Va had cute voice and says cute things
>*sighs* AFK!..
>shitters buy Overwatch just to main their waifus
>complain when they're shit
No, you're just bad at the game.
>>339250690
She's there for waifufags, and people who like piloting mechs.
>my face people don't know a Melee button exists
>>339253425
>it does only 50 damage
>less than any point blank shot.
why bother?
She's an harasser tank, you're not Reinhardt.
>>339253931
>i didnt read op but i will post the obvious anyway
>>339253901
Because if someone is circling you while a lunatic and he has a sliver of hp you will kill them much easier
How often blizz balance their games? i heard it is really bad.
>>339249867
She has the easiest, biggest head hitbox out of everyone.
Which doesn't make any sense considering she bails after she blows up and anatomy wise her mech shouldn't be weak there.
So to actually make her a proper tank, remove her critbox.
Bam, now she's a reverse Roadhog. Now all she needs is a replacement for that dumb projectile shield because it benefits nobody else and she can't make use of it for shit.
>>339253272
>tfw both
>>339249867
>>"hey you D.Va over there, go take out Widowmaker/Bastion/turret or whatever in their backline. it's your job, m8"
That's a sniper's job.
>>339254654
D.Va's one job, when they were going "Okay guys, we need..." at a meeting was "What if the enemy are 5 Torbs?"
Bam, Shift + Q and all the turrets are gone.
She's a really shittily designed character in a badly designed game.
>>339249867
i think i literally have never been killed by a d.va's guns. i only die to her self destruct, and even that is unlikely for me because i've learned to run the fuck away from it because its range is huge
>>339255684
Her ult is treated as a unit meaning you can block it or push it away with Lucio knock back, it's fucking shittier than Symmetra's asshole
DVa should buff my meatpole
>>339250690
Because if you're not shit, and have any amount of intelligence, she is a good character.
And get massive AoE area denial/nuclear death explosion is a great ultimate that turns tides of games if you know what you're doing.
The weird thing about DVA is that she's a fucking monster if you use her in Brawl (her shortened cooldowns means she's constantly throwing down barriers while flying around with her boosters, basically negating lots of attacks while slamming into people and confusing everyone) or there is more than one DVA.
I don't know why having multiple DVAs work, but it seems to work fucking miracles. I remember being on the defending team in Dorado, playing against a team with 3 DVAs. I thought they were idiots.
They're not. Multiple DVAs work so well with each other. It's also really good for contesting the payload, since if you destroy the mech the pilot can still run around and stall for time until backup arrives. Plus, you have multiple DVAs constantly tossing down Self Destructs and it really helps eat up the seconds.
Still my favorite character to play as without a buff. Honestly all she needs is an alt fire and she'll be fine.
>>339256105
No it doesn't.
So much as a street sign pole can block it, the only time people will get caught by it is if the enemy team blocks you out into the open or you get dodgy shit with low cover not working.
Let alone the fact that without that ult she's more dangerous without her mech in the first place, like a slightly better Battle Mercy.
Since DVA's guns are so shit unless you're right on top of someone (and even then, still shit) why not just make her a melee character when she's' in mech form?
Give her a melee weapon that stabs forwards instead of being swung to the side to differentiate her from Reinhardt? Like a pile driver arm or something.
>>339256105
If you're not shit you'll do better with any other hero.
>>339256951
This this this!
Holy shit yes! There's only one dedicated melee hero after all, and the other has to ult for it.
>>339256951
I think it would be better if they gave her mech a flamethrower
>>339256889
is she trying to kill herself?
>>339256889
This. Up her base damage a little and add an alt-fire that's either a auto-burst type thing, a longer ranged projectile or a dedicated melee, and she'd be way better, especially since she's built as an offensive tank.
>>339256105
>if you're not shit, and have any amount of intelligence
If that were the case you'd pick a better character. Unless, of course, you're a waifufaggot.
In 23 years I have never gotten as mad as I do in any game than when facing Mei
What a disgusting cancer she is. How the FUCK did no one in the closed beta raise hell about this
She's alright and fun to use, but the main issue is that because OF THE FUCKING HUGE CRIT-HITBOX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEIGHTCENTER OF THE BLOODY MECH, THE 500HPS END UP FEELING LIKE 200 AT BEST
-Remove the goddamn crit-box
And either:
-Remove the slowdown as you're shooting
-Add a secondary fire mode for the RMB. I dunno, give her something to temporary stun people in place or push them away, since she is for close quarters encounters
>>339257668
um, tons of people complained about Mei in the closed beta, AND in the open beta. She's always been OP as fuck.
>>339257757
And they didn't do anything about her at all? That's honestly worrying for me.
>>339254325
The problem has always been that everyone wants the person they play to be an invincible killing machine with no counter. That's how it was all throughout WoW and I won't be surprised if it's even worse in Overwatch.
The big thing will be whether they buff other characters or nerf the others into oblivion.
I just want the mech to have knockback damage every time it lands. Like if you boosted and such, i think Winston does that.
I also want massive damage done if you get your summoned mech to land on someone, a big plus to being out of mech and all.
>>339257668
That's because everybody learned McCree's flash and fan is the perfect counter against her
I've only played her for 4 hours and she's one of my better characters. I don't get all the hate. Maybe she could use a slight buff, but that's it.
How about we change her useless defense matrix into a cc skill like the microwave from black ops? It's basically a long range cone area of effect that slows down enemy movement and also does minimal damage over time
While having the ability active you can still shoot but cannot fly
>>339256105
literally everytime somebody says D.Va is good character they ALWAYS say
"BUT MUH ULTIMATE AREA DENIAL"
Ult's should not decide whether a character is good or not. Spending the game dicking about only to drop a good move ONCE does not make a character good.
>>339249867
Buff? No, D.va needs a fucking overhaul. She's more of a threat out of her fucking Mech than she is in it. It's not even a numbers thing, her kit is just total fucking trash.
They need to go back to the drawing board with her, make the mech stronger, shorten the time it takes to get the mech calldown back, make zero suit D.va more vulnerable.
>>339253901
Because the melee animation can overlap a lot of things.
>D.va
>Melee at the end of the jet dash bullshit to squeeze in damage
>Roadhog
>Melee after your M1 after a hook to kill have the characters in the game with 0 chance for them to react
etc.
>>339257137
>flamethrower primary with DoT and low damage like Winston, low ammo
>melee is stronger than a usual melee, but takes half a second to charge up
>>339249867
Once you master using her boosters for damage, knocking people around and launch the mech when self destructing she is easy to use.
My only complaint is her critical hit zone is massive.
>>339257960
>Spending the game dicking about only to drop a good move ONCE
What the fuck are you doing if you only get your ult once?
>>339257757
Well yeah, but people complained about Bastion all the time too.
Mei can be annoying, but that usually means you need to change heroes to counter her. Lucio is a fairly good choice. Push her back and switch to speed boost to run away. Pepper her with shots from your megaphone until she either dies or runs away.
Reinhardt can be a terrible choice, since the ice will slow you down until you're frozen and you will never get Mei into melee range. Of course, you could always just charge into her and end things instantly...
But basically anyone with good mobility shouldn't be a problem. Once you're out of range of her ice beam, you're good to go.
>>339257668
if you're getting killed by Mei, or if she's even contributing to a fight you're a part of in a meaningful way, you're fucking terrible at video games. She offers the same CC potential as Roadhog or Mcree, but with a delay and aim requirement which can easily be danced out by anyone who is aware that she's there.
The only thing she offers is the wall, which is totally fucking useless except in games that you already have won and you're stopping the suicide push. She needs buffs across the fucking board, and even then she'd still just be bad Mcree.
>>339258132
HUR HUR
HURRRR
nigga stfu
>>339258117
moar
>>339258148
>But basically anyone with good mobility shouldn't be a problem. Once you're out of range of her ice beam, you're good to go.
Not entirely. If you don't have swift strike as Genji, getting tapped by her primary gun for a single second means you die. And if you somehow get close to killing her? NOPE, HP reset.
God I fucking HATE Mei.
>tfw came so close to eliminating a whole team with her ult
How can you even call her your waifu if you can't play her right?
>>339249867
Your fucking job is to be a sponge for damage and be annoying enough to make the team face you. Killing is secondary to that.
>>339257668
I guess mei is the new bastion
>i cant walk forward and m1 her
>obviously op! nerf her quick blizzard!
>>339258117
HNNG THICKER
I would make it so that she only has the mech form, but is more tank like because of it. Like make her shield last longer and buff her weapons a bit.
>>339258335
>I can't 1v1 the flanking 1v1 specialist!
No shit?Genji can dumpster on Mei without even flinching what the fuck are you talking about? Learn to use your fucking shurikens.
>>339250829
WINKYFACE
>>339258067
Yeah. Boosters are her main dmg source. Just fly to someone's face, start shooting or punching. If they're not dead yet, fly into them again.
She's good 1v1 against anyone or even 1v2. The trick is to go aggressive even if your mech dies, scored a plenty of kills that way. I've even killed a few bastions that way, when they were left alone.
She's shit against groups tho. Winston does slower dmg, but has more surviability so he can just jump in a group, take their medic out and either jump out or pop an ulti. D.va just melts in a second if she stays longer than one useless sweep.
>>339256951
nah, lets go with fist
left click punch
right click rocket punch for range
>>339258491
>Mei and Bastion are both so trash that no one above casual level even uses them unless it's just fucking around
>Because they shitstomp retards so hard, they'll never, EVER get a buff
Maybe we'll get lucky and Blizzard won't balance the games for the lowest common denominator this time
>>339249867
What doesn't make sense is the main guns forced slowdown, considering how close range they are. Shit's basically point blank.
>>339249867
bastion wrecks D.va that is correct
but Widowmaker cannot escape you as her hook cd is way longer than your dash
Does Torbjorn's hammer do more damage than melee attacks?
>>339257875
>McCree's flash and fan is the perfect counter against her
You mean against everyone
>>339258350
>playing against shitters
I also got hit by Dva ults when I started playing.
Then I got gud. Never been hit again.
>>339258650
>NEUTRALIZE!
>>339258783
>Shoot her in the middle at range
>Wow look she's only 300 hp now.
Nope. And her AR is 76 tier to boot.
>>339250690
She's there to be fapped over.
>>339258783
Unless she walks away and lands a couple of shots in the middle of your cockpit. Which is not hard to do considering the size and your shooting speed
>>339258335
I haven't played as Genji much but.... if you double jumped or climbed up a wall, wouldn't that put you out of the firing line?
The healing thing can be annoying but generally it's best to just ignore her until she's vulnerable. Personally I find her ice walls more of an issue than her ice beams. I've seen Meis close off vantage points and hold down choke points for a few crucial seconds while a payload or objective point is being taken by her team.
Who is the most beautiful Overwatch, and why is itPharah?
tell your shitter healer to keep up and heal slash get better slash all of the above
d.va is mostly fine as she is. maybe give an alt fire of some kind and tweak her at times shit ult and she'll be good
the only character that is one hundred percent buff pls is zen. he's a waste slot with most players.
>>339259108
>D.Va deserves a dedicated Mercy to achieve jackshit and get critted to death faster than she can be healed
Nope
Just make D.Va's shield last longer so she can actually be used as a tank. It evaporates so quickly as it is if someone is shooting at it.
>>339259104
Pharah in Gundam/Macross outfit
>>339259104
The only way you could've picked a shittier waifu would've been with poo in loo Symmetra
Fixing D.va is easy. Change her autocannons into double flamethrowers. If they run they still burn to death.
>>339259508
>hating on Symmetra
lamo what a shitter
What if DVA could still shoot even while her shields are up?
>>339259354
For what? Her shield is totally worthless for her team since it's too small and if they get behind it their view is blocked by your fat ass.
Its only use is flying into shit with it on so you don't die in nanoseconds.
>>339256105
>waifufags in charge of realizing that D.Va is the worst character in the game
Fucking delusional faggots.
Give her the ability to shoot while boosting. Not sure if it's a good idea but I'd like to see if it helps.
>>339259562
The shields would probably run out before you even managed to shoot one widow to death.
She just does absolute shit damage.
>>339258848
We need a mango D.Va skin
>>339258783
>but Widowmaker cannot escape you
Why would she need to escape D.va? She can just put a few shots in her fucking head as she charges in and she won't even get in range to hit Widow.
If it's a sneaky D.va, then she can just hook away and THEN kill her.
>>339249867
Why can't anyone play this game?
D.Va is AMAZING when pushing. That's her thing. She has disposable mech, literally because of that. She does not deal damage or kill people, she pushes.
>designed around pushing
>her ultimate is designed to push people away from an area, or kill them, and you can literally get another mech right away so you dont risk much
>your mech has a lot of health and you cant be killed right away, meaning you can push and run away
>the guns do more of a stun damage than anything
>has shield for a few seconds to help her pushing
>her boosters give her abilities to go into areas fast or high or just push people away/over the ledge
That's all she does. Pushes. Not every hero is a killer in this game. If people occupy the capture zone, get D.Va, annoy them, use her ulti and it will do wonders. Learn how to play the fucking game.
>>339259104
Pharah is good but Mercy got milf points
>>339258457
Except D.Va isn't a damage sponge, her mech seemingly dies instantaneously.
>>339259620
Because her shield is good for blocking off corridors and stuff, it can be used to benefit your team.
>>339259620
>Her shield is totally worthless for her team
>open lootbox
>throws me into a game mid-animation
How the fuck do I know what I got?
>>339259549
Can't heal
Can't build a teleport at wilTurrets that do fuck all and go down with a sneeze
Shields are a fucking noke
And so is her gun
Plus she's literally the worst looking girl. Why is she even in the game
>>339259807
Meanwhile
>Winston
>Lucio boosted Reinhardt
>Slicing the pie with everyone else
While
>D.Va dies while everyone else is getting picked off because 2v1 is enough to handle one person, even D.Va and everyone else gets matched up.
>>339260060
In the Hero Browse or whatever section it will have NEW on it.
>>339260104
Again, nobody knows how to play this game. It depends on the situation. Sometimes Reinhart is better, sometimes Winston, sometimes D.Va.
>>339260115
all of them have new! on it
I'm pretty sure it converted the lootbox into credits because i got 150 more
D.Va is so weak I bet two of them can't win a duel against Zenyatta
>>339250690
Really? I thought Winstons were easy to cut down as D.Va.
Always thought her boost was a good way to clear out sniper nests and get behind people's shields.
>>339260085
Whether a player likes or dislikes Symmetra is a good indication how he does in-game.
>>339250690
Except Winston's damage is worse, the same shit happens.
>>339260190
Except D.Va is NEVER better than Winston or Reinhardt. As a second tank, Zarya or Roadhog is always better because they can help push or counter some heroes. D.Va doesn't counter anyone and doesn't help anyone else out.
Even Mei is better at pushing if there's turrets and Bastions around.
>>339249867
you can hit people with the mech and knock them off cliffs and shit
>>339260212
That's the only way I'd know for sure to see what I got.
>>339260338
>Winston's damage is worse
Hits multiple targets, never misses in range, press E to not take any damage on top of having tanky health, leap makes sure you're in range while also dodging AND doing damage on landing near targets.
Oh and he can shoot through Winston, Reinhardt and D.Va shields.
>>339249867
You just distracted all those heroes allowing your team mates to kill the out of position widow, the bastion not shooting at them and exposing his back or the turret not shooting at them.
That is what tanks do.
>>339260272
D.Va is so weak I bet two of them couldn't beat one of them
Why is she the only character with a slow-down as she fires?
It makes no sense, especially so when Zarya exists, and she is basically a gay Heavy Weapons Guy
>>339260272
D.VA is so weak I bet 6two of them couldn't beat 6 emplaced Bastions
While you can get good with DVA, why bother? She offers very little, other heroes are generally more suited to doing something than she is.
Her main task is basically "boost to the objective and stall for time" but you could do the same with any other defense character. Reinhardt has his barrier shield, Winston has his shield bubble and both of those things are more effective than DVA's defense matrix. Even Zarya is a better choice, even if she can't get to the point as fast as the others. All she needs to do is stand there and fucking dare anyone to shoot at her while popping shields and then murdering everyone afterwards.
>>339260460
The damage is still shit. Lucio pretty much negates all his damage. You can also walk into the shield with Winston. It wouldn't help you with a widow grappling away and a Bastion will tear through the shield and then Winston before Winston can kill Bastion.
>>339260698
because despite everything, she's still very fun to use. That makes up for the time it takes to git gun
>tfw dat mobility
>>339260712
>See a bastion
>Leap at him and start shooting while shield is up
>Watch health to ult when lower than 200 health
>Bastion most probably needs to reload at this point
>See a Widowmaker
>Leap at her
>Already done your job, extra damage is icing on the cake but usually you can kill her outright before she can leave range
>You can also walk into the shield with Winston
So walk back so it blocks the target again??? What are you saying here? Y'know it works both ways for enemies right?
Considering Zarya uncharged, Reinhardt and D.Va Winston still does more damage overall, and does literally double per extra target in range.
>>339260712
Bastion also kills Tanks in general as his objective and role.
That's where you bring snipers and offense types in.
>>339257668
>>339257826
Because you're an idiot who doesnt understand when they need to switch heroes to counter her.
>>339256105
Every shield in the game blocks it completely
Standing behind a small obstacle blocks it completely
It's only a good ult if the entire enemy team has sound turned off
I love D.va and want to fuck her but damn she is weak
>>339260863
I mentioned this before but this is why she's so fun to use in Brawl. Those decreased cool down times makes DVA super fun, since she can boost way more often.
Well, what if that's the trick to fixing DVA? Keep her exactly the same but reduce her cooldown times? That way she can boost and use shields more often. Make her into a super bulky Tracer. Boost in with shields on, knock you around a bit and then boost off.
>>339260698
Her Defense Matrix has no damage limit. Winston only 600 and longer CD, bonus is he can still attack with his shield.
>>339261080
that should make it easier
>>339260712
Lucio only negates any damage if he's using his volume boost, which doesn't last forever in addition to him being unable to shake any persuer off by himself. So, uhh, just focus him? And Mercy. Then after that snipers and after that clusters of the enemy.
>>339249867
fuck off rubio
Have her shield do damage
If damage gets buffed I hope gun overheats.
>>339261105
Good luck focusing on Lucio that knows when to use speed boost.
>>339249867
Not with that ult and survivability, she doesn't.
>>339261276
>Speed boost or healing boost
>Leap
k
>>339260712
1. Lucio passive heal doesn't outheal ANYTHING that's constantly firing at them, even Winston gun. Only when amp it up is turned on then it out heals
2. Yes enemies can walk into the bubble and damage Winston but there's a maneuver called shield dancing in video games where you walk in and out of any barrier type move effectively mitigating any damage taken of the enemy walks through
3. Yes bastion does rip apart any tank's ass except roadhog if he gets the drop first
>>339260190
I don't think there is a situation in this game where Reinhardt isn't good for the team, unless you just have a bad Reinhardt.
>>339260282
Winston is a lot more durable than D.Va. He isn't THAT durable, but he still holds up better. He can just jump out when the damage gets too bad. He's a very good distraction.
>>339260190
Reinhardt is the most solid pick of all tanks with Winston as a close second, D. Va is worse than Roadhog and Roadhog is more of an assassin than a tank
She's just bad in every situation where you can pick any other hero
>>339261086
That'd work. I can see the possible fixes boiling down to either:
>Getting rid the Headshot box and walking speed with the main cannons
Or
>Leave the latter untouched but make her annoying as fuck by reducing the cooldowns even further. ESPECIALLY the Point Defense system, considering you are after all, a Tank, and your cockpit makes your 500 HPs feel like nothing at fucking all.
Bring the shields cooldowns to 5 seconds and boosters to 4. You'll keep the same ability but drastically improve her flavour.
>>339261570
You forgot Zarya. She's tanky as fuck. Soaks up damage like a sponge and keeps on ticking.
>>339260898
>Watch health to ult when lower than 200 health
So you need an ult to deal with Bastion?
>Already done your job,
Same for D.Va then. If Winston has enough time to kill her then D.Va would have already killed her.
Winstons damage is shit. Zarya might be worse with 0 charge but that is it.
>>339261645
Zarya is the most forgettable hero in the game, to be fair
>>339257960
>gets his ult only once
do you just sit in the corner and wait for it to fill on its own?
>>339261046
only cowboy dude is hard counter to her. everyone else have to sit through her invincible armor that also heal her.
op is not really an issue here she is just straight up anti-fun.
>>339261570
As a D.va, Roadhog is possibly the easiest kill ever. Not only the fat fuck is large enough to catch all of your pellets, but they are usually dumb enough to bring you in with their hook.
>Get hooked in
>Activate defense matrix
>Blow his fat ass open as not even is E can outheal your pointblank DPS
>every single loot crate only gives me garbage sprays and victory poses
>>339261105
>Lucio only negates any damage if he's using his volume boost,
He still heals without amp and it almost halves Winstons shit damage. Lucio can also use speed to get away from Winston to completely stop damage and also knock Winston back to also completely stop his damage. If your team can't kill him before he kills anyone even with just the healing never mind speed and knock back then you need a new team.
I've played D.VA at least 90% of the 25 hours I played the game since release and almost always had the highest score of the team in the end. Most of the time thats probably because everyone else was too autistic to raise their objective time numbers (its not like its the goal of the damn game or anything), but to say D.VA is under-powered only make me think that people don't know how to play her. She's an extremely flexible hero useful in many situations, buffing her would probably only unbalance the game more.
>>339261410
>play widow
>Trying to pop off a bastion
>Reinhardt runs over to you
>"oh thanks man, now i can line up a-"
>the poor guy blocks your view with his body
>it's very obvious he's trying so hard to block shots
>start shuffling around his body
>he moves in time with me
>smoke trails and bullet holes everywhere but on bastion
I can just imagine a giant retarded man with a thumbs up while widowmaker is starting to cry in frustration. God knows that's how I felt.
>>339250829
IS THIS EASY MODE?
>>339259890
Bullet deflect you shit head. The mech can get re-summoned in like 10 seconds.
>>339261943
Totally missing the point
>Her shield can take out all dangerous ults exept Junkrat
>she has the best mobility skill in the game
>on a 5 second cooldown
>she gets fully healed whenever switching form
If you think she was made for killing people, you're just playing her wrong to be honest familia. She's supposed to occupy the enemy backline so your team can safely push through.
>>339261653
>So you need an ult to deal with Bastion?
What else are you going to use your ult for?
Oh wait, you don't need a fucking reason just ult whenever, the charge rate isn't that slow if you're gud.
Also
>Bastion
>Y'know, that role that melts all tanks regardless
k
It sounds dangerously close to you implying D.Va can outdo Winston for damage when her shield doesn't enable her to attack while in effect lel
You seriously are just waifufagging now with no arguments whatsoever. D.Va could not kill a competent Widow, drop the act.
>>339261578
>Bring the shields cooldowns to 5 seconds
So 3 seconds out of every 5, D.Va and everyone behind her is practically invincible?
>>339262031
>trying his best to help
>widowmaker keeps calling him an incompetent buffoon.
Just thinking of that makes me laugh.
>>339261943
>Activate defense matrix
>He starts meleeing you or just huffs gas
>Then he shreds you in your massive crit box with his high damage shotgun
gg
Why are all D.Va fans this deluded?
>>339259816
I want to pump Mercy full of my love jelly
>>339261714
Really? I don't get that at all. I rack up with Zarya.
If the buffed her damage she'd be bordering on too good since her gun never needs reloaded. She's a good damage support, not meant to be a tank or a high DPS character. I wouldn't mind either her bullet deflect reflecting shots back at people, or maybe her boosters having a higher knockback.
>>339262079
Junkrat and Hanzo.
>>339262160
Keep in mind the Defense Matrix only works against physical projectiles. Half of the shit the rooster throws your way is beams and other futuristic crap.
It wouldn't be that different from Rein, except with a twist
>>339249867
I have never had any of these problems as I play. Is it a certain mode people are experiencing this?
I play a lot of support and hate having a D.va on my team mainly because most D.vas will spend about 30% of the match out of mech running around in a jumpsuit being more useless than a Mercy trying to go for kills. During that time, the other team's Reinhardt is pushing on your ass.
If someone else picks a Winston or Roadhog or something, to pick up the slack then she's okay.
Her ult is shit. Very avoidable. Winston can just drop a shield on it.
Only change I'd make D.va is simply increase range of her shotgun. (more damage at mid range basically)
She can therefore harass and rule control points easier.
>>339262063
The mech can get resummoned in like 10 seconds, and die in about 1.5 seconds. D.Va is shit. She's better outside of the mech than in it.
I play her in a serious hit and run style, hide and surprise people with close range mech fire, then when it gets hot boost away. The boost is the heart and soul of her mech and her best ability, unlike Winston's jump it has free range of movement and can reach higher places.
The gun is really pitifully weak though. Another anon suggested a heat meter with a damage increase which would be a good idea. A good D.va would learn to maximize the use of boost and defense matrix in between shots. Her ult shouldn't be blocked completely by things like Reinhardt's shield either. It should block some of the damage, but not nullify it IMO, because the enemy team already has both obvious visual and audio cues as to where it is.seconds before it detonates.
i agree she needs a buff but it's still fun boosting around.bleez gib views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbm8Z7LZNGo
>>339262236
I've seen a whole...3?
She's easily the least popular character
>>339262393
>and can reach higher places
There's just about nowhere where Winston's jump can't get to, it actually goes higher when he aims up and maintains momentum to boot.
Unlike Junkrat's mine jump which for some reason slows him right down.
>>339249867
I love D.Va but I play her as an assassin/harasser. As other people in the thread have said, just go behind enemy lines and kill the squishies, usually they're so surprised that they freak out and are an easy kill. I regularly get Gold/Silver medals in eliminations and sometimes even damage done as her. Her ult can change games as well, I've got 4 kills with it a few times.
Not to mention she is the ultimate waifu. "Alright, game face: On!"
>>339262079
this so much this
dva is supposed to annoy the shit out of snipers and non tanks, not actually kill anyone
>>339257948
I feel the same way man.
She needs to be able to move and shoot normally.
>>339262415
Probably because people don't know how to use her. Just shield yourself and you teammates as often as possible, and her damage goes nuts.
>>339262384
>I don't know how to stop bullets from hitting me
>I don't know how to dash into people
>I don't know how to harass
No buddy, you're just shit.
>>339262079
Being naked doesn't contribute much though, you might as well be dead and waiting for respawn.
Also
>second highest mobility mattering when she has the second lowest mobility when she's actually firing her guns.
Lowest being turret bastion. She's decent until everything is on cool down. As soon as it's 2v1, you'll lose a mech and now you will either die or make it out of there and have to take pot shots until you get your mech back. Also being naked doesn't build much ult either, so you're better off just respawning.
>>339262160
But she can't attack during that time, so it's no different to everyone being invincible if they're behind Reinhardt's shield. If anything it's a bit worse since Reinhardt's shield is wider so it's easier to hide behind.
>>339262410
Why am I supposed to watch a video with such a bitrate?
>>339262485
>3 second no snipe zone
>Snipe her dead instantly after
lel
>>339262079
>Her shield can take out all dangerous ults exept Junkrat
So she burns through Zarya's ult by jumping in and blocking projectiles for half of it's duration then? Sounds great.
Otherwise nice job protecting everyone else from certain death while you're flying around out of range of them like some harasser.
>>339262095
>It sounds dangerously close to you implying D.Va can outdo Winston for damage
She does. That is just a mathematical fact. She is even a counter to Roadhog because her shotguns kill him far quicker than Roadhogs can kill her.
If Winston jumps in and bubbles. Take a few steps back and look at the ape sitting in his bubble doing fuck all or pop the bubble and shoot Winston now he doesn't have his bubble and still does shit damage.
>>339262035
Power up!
>>339262541
>people thinking she's a tank
DAMAGE
SUPPORT
You shouldn't be 1v6ing people as D.va, you should be moving with your team, knocking people into walls, and providing constant fire onto the enemy. Just go back to playing Reaper if you want to be bad.
>>339262598
you know you're right, im going to go figure out wtf im doing on vegas pro.
>>339262541
D.Va isn't that bad outside of her mech. Doing damage recharges your meter to summon your mech again, so if you can run away and fire at the enemy team, more often than not youll weaken the enemies then be back in your mech in a short amount of time.
>>339262209
>killing a D.va with Melee attacks
And I'm the retarded one? Dude the moment they press E is the moment I can always rack up a guaranted kill
>Starts gurgling down his yellow semen, freezing in place
>Aim for the head and enjoy one of the few situations where your CQ guns with no reloadand no range can out DPS basically anything.
he's literally easy mode as D.va
>>339262314
What does this post even mean? Every character has multiple counters.
>>339254436
This is actually correct.
I don't understand why she has that big of a hitbox while she can't even fucking move properly while trying to fire at someone.
I use her a lot. She needs some small buffs.
>Make her head hitbox a lot smaller.
Come on now. Just because she has Defense Matrix doesn't mean she has to have this.
>Make Defense Matrix be 5 seconds to compensate for that 10 second cooldown.
Honestly 3 seconds is too short. If you want to charge in a fully loaded Bastion, you'll have to eat at least almost half of your life first before pressing Matrix.
>Make the bullet spread of her guns tighter. I can't believe even at point blank, it doesn't hurt that much. Even Mercy can out damage her.
>Make the robot move a little faster while firing.
Just a little more.
>Make her Ult do reduced damage on enemies hiding behind walls when near her ultimate.
You can even fucking hide behind a pole and it won't hurt you. That's a little stupid.
>>339256449
Far as I know on Assault, it's very popular for a defending team to change to 2 D.VA's on the last capture point. It works wonders and is goddamn annoying.
>>339262540
She isn't hard to use, she's just shit. She's the worst tank in the game, and she doesn't fill a role that someone isn't better at.
>>339262343
That is just wrong. The vast majority of weapons don't fall into that category
>>339262186
>bastion sits there, being a turret
>Reinhardt's shooting bullets through his abs but doesn't hit shit
>shooting stops
>widow just throws her gun down and starts to hammer the ground with her hands in frustration while cursing in French.
I want widow bully comics pretty badly.
>>339262579
Normally Reinhardt's shield is obviously better but lowering the CD for D.Va really reduces that difference.
>>339262873
>Zarya
>Winston
>Mei
>Symmetra
>McRee's flashbangs
>Roadhog's Hook
>Zen's orbs
>Hanzo's ulti
Add to that the limited radius and time and I can honestly see Rein's big ass shield being more problematic balance-wise
>>339262079
Ults D.Va counters
>Bastion
>Hanzo if she's close range
>Zarya
>Really really dumb Tracers
>Reaper
>76
>McCree
>Pharah (in one spot)
>Roadhog
Ones she doesn't block
>Genji
>Mei
>Reinhardt
>Junkrat
>Hanzo out of range
>Widowmaker
>Winston
>Lucio
>D.Va
>Symmetra
>Mercy
>Zenyatta
Not really worth it imo, especially since you need to be hanging around your team a lot and in that position you're less than useless.
>>339262732
I didn't say 1v6 stupid, i said 1v2. If you're going to charge in at a straggler, other people are usually near by. Only time I would charge in on a losing fight is to bodyblock an ult with defense matrix or not, depending on how good the ult is and whether or not it's on cool down.
You can "damage support" all you want, the other team will just rush you as soon as your shit's on cool down.
>>339263262
So the vast majority of weapons don't fall into that category. Thank you.
>>339263363
It's a team based game, you're not supposed to run and gun solo, especially as a character like D.va who can't handle crowds without her ult, and dies very quickly. Unless you just want to turn her into another Bastion. And even then, even he dies relatively quickly if he gets out numbered.
Seriously, why do so many people playing think they can take on an entire enemy team by themselves, as any character?
>>339257238
Underrated post.
>>339263374
It's almost like you're forgetting how this game revolves more about abilities and positioning than actual shooting. Go act autistic somewhere else.
Problem with D.Va is she also needs 2 specific characters for her to shine a whole lot. Mercy and Reindhardt. If she has these 2, she's almost damn invincible. Not saying she won't die, I mean she will be so irritating and relevant that you'd want her to be taken down first.
>>339263312
Nice list of ults she can't counter that nothing can.
>>339263648
That's why "counters ults" is not a strong argument when half of them can be countered in other ways and even better, like Reinhardt's own ult/pinning, hooking or just outright killing people (this isn't Dota where most PotGs would be at a point where everyone is getting tanky).
Wait
Are people really claiming that D.va's sorry excuse of a shield can keep up with based Rein as it is?
Holy kekeroni familia, not even if you reduce the cooldown to 5. It still only lasts a bunch of seconds, and it's as wide as OP's dick.
>>339263648
most can be blocked by reinhardt
>>339263531
with or without team u are not contributing much as D.va compare to other tanks
>>339261943
Your pellets don't DO anything, though, and you can't shoot him during defence matrix.
You can only kill him if he's a terrible shot. I mean, a TERRIBLE shot. Otherwise he dumps his shotgun into your big dumb faceplate and you die.
>>339263584
>most of the list relates to weapons that shoot
>trying to shift goalposts to abilities when most don't even do damage.
>>339263787
Everyone can kill someone to "counter" an ult. That obviously isn't what is talked about.
>>339263862
Look at the list. What special thing does Reinhardt do that counters the ults of "ones she doesn't block" list. Most are just kill the hero to stop or you actually can't stop it and everyone is able to do the kill the hero to stop category.
>>339263981
I dunno man, like I said, I'm only speaking out of experience.
Keep in mind that while a single shot from Dva is nowhere as powerful as Reaper's shotguns, she fires quite fast, and has no reload to worry about.
Plus her main issue, which is her FUCK ALL range, disappears the moment Roadhog starts chugging his E. Jump in a game right now and try it: i can guarantee you the first roadhog you see will reel you up. Simply immediately fire up your Defense Matrix, and unload what you can on him as he reloads.
He will then push his panic button right there or just around the corner. Aim for the head and stand in awe as not even his OP as fuck gas cannot out-dps your seemingly shitty cannons.
>>339263972
Not true. I had games where my teammates actually picked properly and for 7 games we steamrolled so much you'd think it was a premade.
I picked D.VA while the others were McCree, Reindhardt, Mercy, another Offense and maybe a Builder. I was able to move so freely because of the composition that the opponents can't even get into proper position because I was able to go in then disrupt, then out again for healing.
>>339263994
We can sit here and spaz about terminology all day, point is half of whatever shit the enemy team throws your way, be it abilities, guns, ults or entire fucking characters will not care about D.va's shield.
>>339263531
How can you seriously say shit like "charge people into walls" and then tell me that i shouldn't be near enemies. She's a close range shooter, she needs to be in there to do anything. Should i just hang back and try to snipe people with my twin shotguns and run away every time there's 2 people coming towards me? No, I'm going to give a window for my team to move around in while I shit all over a widowmaker or a bastion with a charging matrix. You might as well be a guided missile, I'd just rather give her the tools to be better at it. Actual walking speed when firing, some sort of landing damage if you fall on someone from high up, heavy damage if you summon a mech on someone, an alt fire would be great too. While probably unnecessary, but I'll always throw self healing since bastion's got it, maybe an option in naked mode where standing still makes your mech refill go by quicker.
>>339263981
D.Va wrecks Roadhog. She can pump her shotguns right into his head due to the tighter spread. Roadhog cannot and Roadhog has no armour whilst D.Va has the most out of everyone.
You don't need defense matrix to deal with Roadhog, you just shoot him and he dies so fast.
Most ITT:
>Buff characters I like!
>Nerf characters that I'm too dumb to deal with!
>Why can't I just solo everyone? :(
>Teamwork????
>>339264650
Except you can't even make a list of half and then you shift the goalposts leading to your small list getting even smaller.
If you stopped spazzing out over terminology and just accepted the facts then there would be no issue.
>>339264930
I think we can all agree, Lucio needs nerfed.
>>339249867
More like she just needs to be immune to crit (headshot) damage in mech mode.
>>339265051
Lolwut Why?
>>339259620
Dude her shield eats ultimates like you wouldn't believe.
>>339265101
Just with this she jumps straight to at least Mid-Good.
>>339264790
>She can pump her shotguns right into his head due to the tighter spread
Spread doesn't matter. D.va's crit hitbox is 4 times as large as Roadhog's and he does more damage than D.va in close range.
Yes, sometimes you'll get lucky and find a shitter who wasted all his shots and had to reload because of your matrix, but for the most part they're just going to blast you so bad you need to fuck off and leave them alone only for them to heal themselves back or die and leave them alone only for them to heal themselves back.
>>339265101
>Remove Headshot Damage in Mech Mode
>Make her able to shoot while Defense Matrix Mode is up.
Done. She's already one of the best just for that.
>>339265294
>but for the most part they're just going to blast you
This literally never happened to me. For some reason the fat australian fuck is easier to deal than bloody Tracer.
Only thing easier with dva is Zenyatta.
>>339259104
>brown
>elegant face
>all about that JUSTICE
>mecha suit
Too bad the browns have the least amount of fanart/port. Even Zarya has more than them. What a shame.
>>339264790
>She can pump her shotguns right into his head due to the tighter spread. Roadhog cannot
Her cannons have a tighter spread but Roadhog can also pump his shotgun right into her head because the game counts D.va's head as being like a third of the front of her mech. It's fucking huge. Armor also accomplishes virtually nothing against shotguns in this game for some reason because it shaves the damage off of the total for the entire burst instead of individually for each pellet which means that in a Roadhog v D.va fight her armor is going to reduce the damage from his 200+ damage shot by a whopping 5 points.
Also a Roadhog v. D.va fight almost certainly starts with or contains D.va getting hooked and then shot directly in the face while she can't move. We'll be generous and say that only half the scrap hits her in the face. That means that Roadhog gets a free 350 damage against her. D.va can do, if she lands absolutely every pellet from every shot into Roadhog's head, 336 damage per second. Roadhog gets about one shot per second for around 220 damage against D.va.
This means that the only way for Roadhog to lose a fight against D.va is if he repeatedly misses shots against her giant mech at close range while she shoots him in the face with perfect accuracy.
>>339259807
Because every tank can do a better job than D.va
she's the jack of all trades, but master of absolutely none of them.
Reinhardt's a better pusher and defender
Winson is a way better annoyer and distraction.
Zarya is better at crowd control and better supportive abilities
Roadhog has better sustain as it isn't tied to an ultimate meter and better damage.
>>339260085
>the worst looking girl
You do know Zarya exists.
She's also much better looking than Widowmaker.
>>339265294
>Spread doesn't matter
Except Roadhogs spread is 4 times what D.Va is if not more. You will be lucky to get 1 pellet hit her crit box despite its size unless for some reason you are touching but D.Va should keep some distance so she is still in effective range whilst Roadhog is not. Not even the range hook puts D.Va into is enough to get much crit but it is a great range for her to get lots of crits with her shots. In fact Roadhog would be better trying to get into perfect alt fire range but D.Va will be wrecking you while you do that.
Defense Matrix is a waste, there is no point in using it against Roadhog as he just melts from your guns. Roadhog isn't that durable as he has 0 armour and he is so easy to hit, that is why he needs the self heal. He would be complete useless without it or way to dependent on healers.
>>339266130
Zarya would be attractive if she would stop dying her hair stupid colors in all of her skins.
Symmetra is a poo in loo with a hook nose. Even if she was better looking the smell would destroy any erection. I guess if you've got a scat fetish she might be your type.
What if DVA's crit point is behind her instead of in front of her, like for Bastion's turret mode? She's still capable of getting "head"shotted, it's just that her special glowing weak point isn't directly in front of anyone she's facing.
Either that or reduce the size of it to just her hands? Has anyone else noticed DVAs arms and hands are completely unprotected when she's in the mech? Seriously, look.
>>339266330
She shouldn't have one in mech mode to begin with.
>show up
>harass
>when you're like 30% health fuck off with you escape and get health
>come back and do it again
its working wonders for me
>>339266221
I don't think you fully understand how big D.va's critbox is.
And getting hooked does in fact put you close enough to Roadhog that he can dump at least half of his shot into your GIANT critbox.
>>339266130
That's a man, baby
I keep on wondering why she keeps on saying "Time to raise my APM!".
In Defense Matrix she's actually shooting projectiles down manually.
https://youtu.be/jN3TISLTVyc?t=40
This bitch is for real.
>>339266490
I understand how big the critbox is but you don't understand how big the spread on Roadhogs shotgun is.
I always enjoy getting hooked by Roadhog as it is a free kill every time unless he has backup.
>>339265534
>Make her able to shoot while Defense Matrix Mode is up.
Even if she gets no other buffs this would be enough.
>>339266726
This is the problem though now that I know. >>339266698
She can't really shoot if that's the case.
>>339266714
It would literally have to shoot backwards to not land at least a quarter of the pellets in D.va's faceplate after a hook
But even assuming that he got no pellets into the faceplate whatsoever he still has a higher DPS than D.va. In order for D.va to beat a Roadhog he has to completely miss multiple times when fighting one of the biggest fucking characters in the game at close range.
If you're beating Roadhogs as a D.va you've gotta be playing at Potato Tier.
Is Overwatch a hard game? I am a beginner to fps but it looks fun, i like the way some of the characters look.
Is there some easier characters that you dont have to be a god at aiming to use?
>>339266698
>defense matrixing Roadhog ult, Reaper, and Bastion at the same time
I have no idea what to do with D.Va to make her not suck.
Maybe something like, change her gatling shotguns to less accurate gatling lasers with longer range? Much more dangerous, but harder to aim, and the projectiles are highly visible so you can easily see where she's firing.
Give her the ability to fire while boosting and shielding.
That's all I got.
>>339267142
Nope. Just watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZeZATcLiPQ
You can easily do this. Look at him. Was able to finish a game in 1 minute.
>>339256921
>>339261048
The signpost thing was a webm from closed beta you idiots, they've been fixing that shit ever since.
>>339267283
So there are melee characters too? or just genji
I am told genji is a poor choice for a beginner, why is that?
>>339249867
As someone with 9 hours of playing D.Va here are my ideas for buffs, she doesn't need all of these but she could use a few.
Remove head crit box from the mech or at least make it a lot smaller.
Either higher damage/tighter spread on her mech guns or reducing the speed penalty when she's firing. Maybe a mix of both.
Rework her defense matrix. Either let her shoot through it while it's up or maybe give her a temp damage boost based on how much damage it eats up.
Make enemies take reduced damage instead of none from her ult when they are in cover.
Give her a mobility ability outside her mech. Something like a short dash or speed boost that would help her get a way from large groups after her mech is destroyed.
Those are just my ideas, if she got all of them she would probably be OP but she needs a buff to make her a bit more viable.
>>339267686
Because what you just saw is high-level stuff. You can't pull that off easily with Genji. He's a hard character to use.
>>339266982
Then you don't understand the spread and the headshot potential as D.Va can consistently get more of her shot to hit his head compared to what he can on her despite the size of her head box.
>>339267838
If absolutely all of D.va's shots hit Roadhog in the head she has 336 DPS.
If half of Roadhog's shots hit D.va in the head he has 330 DPS.
>>339267716
You just said everything I said earlier in this thread, sans the "give her a temp damage boost based on how much damage it eats up".
Blizzard won't make her shoot while in Defense Matrix. Now that it is know that she actually manually shoots projectiles down while Matrix is up.
So that means you saying to give her temp damage boost makes sense.
I honestly don't understand how to play D.Va. Any tips? It took me some time to understand that Reaper is #1 tank counter and now I fucking demolish teams with multiple tanks. Maybe there's something I don't get with D.va too?
They need to give back her ability to fill her ulti gauge when she gets hit.
I don't know why they removed it.
>>339267971
You don't get half unless you are lucky or very close, closer than hook. The effective range of his shotgun drops off so fast.
>>339268509
They've removed the mechanic for everybody, no?
>>339268509
Either that or give her ulti for D.Matrixing boolets. D.Matrix is pretty useless as is because even the most retarded players stop shooting or are smart enough to shoot around it.
>>339268036
I honestly think there are better way to fix her than that anyway.
Like most people pointed out, the main issue is her mech's crit box: so big and centered that makes her 500 ARMOR points (not even normal HPs) melt away.
Either remove it or bring it in the back of the mech. It makes way more sense. Also tone down her the slowdown effect because it makes no sense considering the kind of character she is.
>>339268509
I think everyone lost that? I heard it was because certain characters who do high damage would refill ultimates way too fast. Like, Junkrats bombs do heavy damage and are AoE so you'd end up accidentally charging everyone's ults.
why the fuck is the aiming on console so horrible on this game? Halo and COD can figure out aiming but you fucks couldn't? jesus christ.
>>339268620
and you don't get 100% either. D.va's guns have fast damage falloff as well despite having a tighter spread, and D.va's head is a lot bigger than Roadhog's.
Forget buffs/nerfs, Blizzard needs to fix the fucking massive performance issues this game has. I'm tempted to get a refund
>>339249867
d.vas ult is literally the worst in the game
there's no excuse for getting killed by it unless you have literally no spatial awareness
you can hide behind the fucking payload and survive ffs
D.Va is probably the worst tank from my perspective as someone who doesnt play one.
>Comes rushing at you only to get completely blasted to shit, dies in 5 seconds, has to run away like a pussy
She's not scary in the slightest.
