Is it safe to say that Blizzard Entertainment now has 4 strong and successful universes under its belt?
>>339248281
Thanks to the Warcraft movie and Legion, they're back down to 3.
>>339248281
Yes
However, Warcraft is dying, and Starcraft needs a new installment
If you're a millenial maybe.
Diablo 3 was fucking garbage, Starcraft 2 was mediorce, World of Warcraft was ruined and the movie is shit, Overwatch is F2P tier, Heroes of the Stone is dudebro-tier and Heartstone is so forgettable I had to Google it to remember its name.
Blizzard is nothing more than a dead vessel sailing on the sea of its past successes, and I'm not into undead gay sailors.
>>339250389
Diablo 3 is terrible.
Starcraft 2 failed to live up to Brood Wars.
World of Warcraft practically killed Warcraft.
HotS is the world's deadest MOBA.
Hearthstone is a Wii-like success, you think it's good for your future, but it's not, the casual mobile gaming scene is fickle.
Overwatch was the one I was hoping would break the trend and actually be GOOD, I was hyped as fuck for it and was sure was gonna buy.
Played the open beta because I felt impatient, and literally was never this disappointed before.
I've come to peace that Blizzard is dead and that Acti-Blizz is here to stay, but Overwatch gave me hope only to let me down again.
Never again. Fuck Acti-Blizz.
RIP Blizzard.
>>339248281
can warcraft 4 fix blizzard
>>339248281
No. Blizzard desperately needs Overwatch to be a long term success.
If not, all they have is hearthstone.
Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 failed to live up to the standard set by their predecessors. Diablo 3 specifically was a terrible failure, and no, even though the expansion made it better the damage is still done.
WoW is in bad shape, and Legion probably won't change that. MMOs never really die (people are still playing and paying for Ultima Online after all) but WoW is not going to be the cash cow that it was, it has been in a constant state of decline for some time now.
So basically, Blizzard needs long term success from either Legion or Overwatch. In my opinion, Overwatch is substantially more likely to be that hit, I don't see WoW making a comeback.
>>339250214
>Starcraft needs a new installment
No, please let it die
>r-remember me?
WoW is dying.
SC2 is dead.
D3 is dead.
Overwatch will probably be their only other money maker for a short time before they ruin it like every other game with awful decisions.
>>339250873
>have to grind a bajillion matches to unlock skins
>or just pay 15-20 bucks per fucking skin
I'm sure it's exactly the same in Overwatch too.
Blizzard has become one of the worst game companies out their just because of the ever-increasing micro-transactions that litter their games.
>>339250389
Blizzard is the biggest flavor of the month company.
they always drive their games into shit with bad decision making and always alienate their older fans.
i doubt anyone over the age of 25 plays Blizzard games and if they do it's to get an MMO fix or nostalgia.
company is fuckin deadzo spiritually.
>>339251203
>HOTS
>so terrible I forgot to mention it
My bad. But no, the door has already kinda closed on HOTS being that success.
Blizzard is STILL MAD that LoL stole all their wowbabbies and they still don't understand why. They've been trying to dumb WoW characters down into moba characters, then you've got HOTS and then you've got the heavy moba influence in Overwatch is.
Funny thing is, LoL didn't steal those players and get so big because it was a moba. It's simply because while Riot made a game that was average, they promoted that game brilliantly. They propped the esports scene up using there own money (where blizzard has expected it to grow organically with little help from them) and they at least pretend to listen to their customers where Blizzard goes "u think u want it but u don't".
Riot killed them on the promotion end and they don't even understand why. They keep sticking moba elements into their games thinking players want moba elements while failing to realize that what players really want is a game studio that doesn't act like assholes all the time.
>>339251565
>that success
In what realm does Blizzard, the company with about the highest-profiting MMO (/ game, with it's largest quarter revenues coming from its most recent lowest subs), hugely lucrative card game, and best selling ARPG "need a success".
Fucking logic!
>>339251565
It's funny because LoL is losing old players at a massive rate.
>>339251817
Companies need continued success. Especially a company like blizzard that has a lot of prestige.
They lose a lot of prestige (and profits) if the only real feather in their cap is Hearthstone. WoW, Diablo, and Starcraft - which they have been milking for a decade now - are all suffering.
To keep being Blizzard, the 800 pound gorilla that we all know and love, they need at least one more big game on the market.
>>339252001
Yeah, the LoL meme is almost over. Blizzard still remembers the sting of losing so many players to it though. You can see it all over their development choices, they're still trying to chase that moba money.
>>339252203
>Companies need continued success.
>WoW, Diablo, and Starcraft are all suffering.
Souce not provided. I just told you WoW is making its most lucrative quarters with its lowest sub counts. They have an item shop now.
D3 is a single player game with over 20M sales including its xpac.
You're not making a point.
>>339252497
Okay, you're right. Blizzard is in great shape, they have amazing franchises. Everyone loves Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2, and WoW is doing the best it ever has.
Happy now?
>>339252203
>>339252497
..Not to mention Overwatch.
>>339252607
Why are you so mad? The game's aren't great but saying they aren't successful is retarded.
Their quarterly reports speak louder than anything, and it's always rising.
Movie's gonna hurt them though.
>>339248281
D2 enhanced edition when?
Why is hating on Blizzard so popular here on 4chan?
>>339252935
They dared to shut down an illegal wow server
>>339253026
Eeeh I feel there is something more behind all this shitposting
>>339253230
/v/ hates being betrayed more than anything, and Blizzard isn't what it used to be.
>>339253230
They are just being a bitch company. With all the cashgrab games and casualization.
I personally hate them for what they did with the Warcraft franchise (WoW was a mistake).
>>339248281
Yeah they pretty much own the fps genre now as well as mmo, virtual card game and rts.
>>339249474
>Thanks to the Warcraft movie and Legion, they're back down to 3.
Are you implying that Warlord of Draenor didn't kill WoW?
>>339253230
/v/tards like to trash on casual (despite being ultra casual themselves). And Blizzard in this decade has been THE casual company. The shitpost intensifies with the shutdown and the release of ow.
>>339250857
Go fuck yourself asshole
>>339253569
Yeah it is good now. Winky face!
>>339253586
Me too anon. Me too.
>>339253905
The first tutorial level of WC3 with Thrall is so comfy.
I still replay it from time to time.
>>339250765
>it has been in a constant state of decline for some time now.
It also doesn't help that other MMO's have been coming out that, while none of them are WoW killers on their own, are collectively the WoW killer.
Games like Guild Wars II, FFXIV, Wildstar, and others over the years all offer little bits and pieces of things people used to get out of Warcraft.
If another MMO has a heavy focus on their favorite feature from old-WoW, they jump on it and cling to it, like a lonely man who only goes after women who kind of remind him of an ex-girlfriend he still misses but can never get back.
>>339253856
Simply disgusting.
>>339251201
Who cares about skins bro? Literally pointless.
>>339248281
>strong and successful
skillfully avoided "interesting" and "good" there activishill.
>>339252935
Hell hath no fury like a nerd scorned. And Blizzard has scorned many nerds.
>>339253569
/v/ forgives Nintendo pretty easily.
>>339254254
Hhahahahahahaha. There is nothing you can do. This is video games now. You have no control.
>>339254551
not the same guy, but... 'course I do you fuckhead, I don't play shit games.
>>339254551
Starcraft is dead as fuck thanks to terrible writing. Also, mobas invaded its player base, it's either going to change its face in the future from RTS or be a niche game going forward.
Warcraft is not dead which is surprising because it also suffers from creatively bankrupt writing.
They tried really, really hard to kill Diablo. The guys who did RoS managed to fix enough of the fuckups that it's at least found a niche audience.
>>339254476
We're NintendoGAF after all.
>>339253801
But the thing is: it didn't used to be. That's why I feel betrayed.
Diablo 2 was HARD.
Broodwar and Warcraft were DEEP.
WoW had actual progression that took fucktons time and effort.
I beat Diablo 3 in a couple of hours.
SC2 is so forgettable Blizzard abandoned the newest protoss expansion (no marketing).
WoW is so easy you can get to level 100 in a couple of HOURS.
Hearthstone is just a boring game that pretends LOLRANDUM is depth.
HOTS is a failed attempt at guessing at what the fanbase wants without actually listening to them.
>>339252935
Overwatch shilling was very evident in the lead up to release. Not to say people here weren't legitimately excited for the game, but there was some obvious marketing going on too. It happened back with Warlords of Draenor as well, and it will happen with Legion.
>Ruined Diablo
>Ruined Starcraft
>Warcraft is going down the shitter quick
We'll see if overwatch is still relevant when the shills stop getting paid
>>339250389
>Diablo 3 was fucking garbage
>muh bad diablo 3
all of the problems were fixed with expansion.
further claiming that it is shit is just nitpicking and being nostalgiafag
>>339254882
>There are people right now who unironically think companies hire people to market their videogames on this shithole
>>339252935
they went from being an inspired good-guy company who made lots of classic and innovative games to your classic, run-of-the-mill EA-like.
They barely make games anymore, its weird.
>>339254884
>Warcraft is going down the shitter quick
it's been shit since TBC.
You forgot what shit HotS was.
Yet all these games still sell well.
Gaming is dead.
>>339255014
lmao no they werent. All they did was remove the real money auction house.
THe characters are still shallow, the settings are still basically the same as Diablo 2, the plot and storytelling is some of the shittiest i've ever seen in a video game (and that's saying something), there is no skill tree or character building, most skills are useless while leveling, and even more are useless once you get all the best ones, mobs are uncreative and repetitive.
Diablo 3 was bland, processed game, that was made by businessmen who said "lets make money by releasing diablo 2 with new graphics".
>>339255014
Back to >>>/vg/ generals with you blizzdrone.
>>339250873
>People legitimately thought this was gonna kill DOTA 2
>>339248281
Diablo is dead.
StarCraft is over. They killed it with mediocre SC2 campaigns.
Warcraft is a monstrosity, like Star Wars, but I guess they can always resurrect it with Warcraft 4.
Overwatch doesn't exists as a universe yet.
>>339253847
Not him, but he's right. StarCraft II was putrid, disgusting bile pouring out of a rancid asshole which irreversibly stained the franchise.
>>339248281
Hearthstone isn't very appealing to people who don't want to waste money buying cards. I don't care whether it's technically possible to reach rank 1 with f2p cards. I'm not fucking Trump. It's so boring reaching around rank 15 and starting to run into people with amazing legendaries while you barely have any, if even one.
WoW is probably going to die with Legion. It's already starting to die. Unless they come out with a sequel to Warcraft RTS then idk.
Why play HotS when you can play games that have more skill involved like LoL, DotA or SMITE? It's objectively a game for casuals and 12 year olds, the CoD of the MOBA world if you will.
>>339250584
OP is talking about universes, not games. There was a time when people actually cared about Blizzard stories.
>>339257041
>literally always the most-played game on Steam
>dead
Blizzard shills sure are desperate.
>>339257576
>Steam itself is dead
>>339257576
>>339257576
You're retarded
>>339257464
There is no COD of the moba world. No one is putting out a sequel each year. WTF are you nerds even talking about?
Anyway, the concept of HotS is a good one: a dota game where the map is a big factor and the laning+roaming phase is mostly skipped to get to the teamfight part. Problem is that HotS sucks and most of the maps are incredibly gimmicky, not that it's a bad idea.
>>339257225
In that case it's even worse. SC2 is at least playable, while the story is just painful to watch/read. WoW has been ran into the ground and the only reason fans still eat it up is nostalgia appeal.
>>339248281
>Warcraft
Successful yes, strong maybe?
>Diablo
Successful but niche
>Starcraft
Nope, not since the cingefest that is the SC2 story. Which is a shame, because the campaigns were fun.
>4th one
would this be overwatch? I don't think so.
So i guess my answer to your question is no
>>339258181
>WoW has been ran into the ground and the only reason fans still eat it up is nostalgia appeal.
Or maybe the alternative MMOs on the market aren't very appealing.
-Wildstar launched too early and was a buggy mess. Went F2P and I don't think it will ever recover.
-XIV went from a fun game with friends into Asian tiers of grinding similar to its XI counterpart. Admittedly the farming isn't as bad (looking at you Excalibur shards), but it's becoming such a bother to farm these days.
-SWTOR - End of rine.
>>339250682
I don't want to trust them with Warcraft lore
>>339248281
Diablo isn't much of a universe
Isn't overwatch is the cobbled remains of an mmorpg?
>>339253847
Not that anon, but you go fuck yourself.
SCII was horrible and it needs to be retconned via "it was all a mushroom-induced hallucination" or "it was a dream all along".
>>339250765
I decided to check diablo 3 forums the other day and it feels like a ghost town
Majority of people are talking about how shitty the game is and there are only 3 popular threads repeating the same issues thry have been for years
>>339259612
>FFXIV I dont like to earn my stuff
Really nigger WoW is the same way
>>339260407
Yes. Overwatch is simply a thing because its the corpse that remained of Titan.
Blizzdrones will literally eat shit
>>339252935
Blizzard has been going downhill the last ten years, it's not a surprise.
HotS is the only blizzard game I play
Gameplay is pretty solid tbhqfml
I THINK ITS SAFE TO SAY THAT BLIZZARD HAS HIRED PEOPLE TO SPAM WEBSITES WITH POSITIVE COMMENTS OF PRODUCTS EVEN IF ITIS SHIT. THAT PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO AGREE WITH
>>339248281
It depends, are we judging the strength of a universe based on it's output of fanmade porn now?
>>339264034
And that's sad actually.
Once a company that released games that at least gave people some fun, it really tumbled down.
Then again, blaming ActiVision for it and the people in charge of the company is only the tip of the iceberg.
Add to this many of the people leaving the place, dissolving of Blizzard NORTH (which was one of the things that gave Blizzard their fame), and needing to deal with rookies that they hired...let's say that Blizzard has its golden age finished.
>>339253772
>Are you implying that Warlord of Draenor didn't kill WoW?
i think you mean cata
wow died with arthas
>>339253847
Sc2 was ass compared to BW.
Multiplayer was ok, story was fanfic level.
>>339256942
>dota 2
>dying
honestly it's either lol or dota if you want to play a moba. lol for casuals and dota otherwise
>>339248281
>3
Fixed that for you. Diablo is everything else than successful.
>>339257179
>WoW is probably going to die with Legion
Legion will be the best expansion
>>339267197
No, it most definitely won't be.
>>339267197
Not that anon, but we shall see...and it will be bad. Even Demon Hunters ain't gonna save it.
So far the number of subscribers was going down.
us normies will agree
4chan contrarians will say no
>>339254114
Ruined by that nerd talking.
/v/, how did Blizzard managed to an hero the fantastic story that was Brood War and turn it into the fanfic tier story of SCII
Also, what was so magical about brood war, the story was good but I don't seem to understand why
>>339255814
>Site that allows you to post anonymously so there's no registration barrier or paper trail leading to any kind of ad agency
>/v/ gets hundreds of thousands of unique hits monthly
Frankly you'd be a fucking moron NOT to advertise on here.
>>339267954
It was grimmer than WC, yet grim in a good way.
Also the whole Cold War feeling of the game is what sold me to it.
Pity SCII threw it out the air-lock in favor of faux-epic bullshit.
>>339267954
It had interesting characters, and those characters had real MOTIVATIONS of greed, power, sense of duty and/or love.
PEople say it had some tropes but thinking how well it was the story driven in Broodwar it's easily miles better than anything Blizzard has done in 15 years.
SC2 story is Bayformers levels of bad. I've seen capeshit cartoons better written than it.
There's a better alternative to every Blizzard title that exists. Absolutely no point playing a Blizzard game unless you have absolutely no taste in games.
May as well say you're a fan of Zyonga games.
>>339267954
Starcraft didn't have good guys and bad guys. It had three races doing what they do. Every race had their unique motivation and way to approach the story.
SC2 sacrifices a lot of that for the Kerrigan Savior Of Universe (Also Super Saiyan) story.
>>339248281
>4 strong and successful universes
>strong universes
kek
successful at marketing but those universes sucks donkey dick
>>339267954
The writing quality was much better, word by word. The characters didn't feel like over the top cliché faggots who were in a disney movie where the good guys always win. There was intrigue and exposing corruption. There was a human revolution, a zero overthrow, a great protons sacrifice. It didn't have some shitty romeo and juliet trash in it.
Wc3/tft followed it'd blueprint and went well (Arthas is Kerrigan, undead is zerg, night elves are protoss, etc.)
Both are really just rip off a of Warhammer / Warhammer 40k, but sc1/BW had fantastic writing and believable characters in a dark, intriguing setting.
>>339248281
Oh look, another thinly veiled overwatch thread.
For me Blizzard is dead. Lets talk about their franchises in order of my preferance.
>Starcraft
It's been ruined by SC2, While terran campaign was almost good, Zerg and Protoss campaigns are a disgrace. Starcraft was a very dark and dirty franchise. As a kid I was scared shitless of Zerg and I admired Protoss. It was my first ever original game (living in a poor country) that parents bought me to convice me to let dentist pull out my tooth (after almost whole day of walking in and out).
As you see, I have a lot of emotional attachment to this universe. What did we get in SC2? Zerg where retconned to evolution-driven dinosaurs from jungle planet (while in lore their homeworld was suppoused to be Char-like). Protoss have lost all of their mysticism and are pretty shallow and predictable.
The point of aliens - Zerg or Protoss is that they're alien and therefore unpredictable or hard to understand. Meanwhile SC2 makes them very human in nature.
Not to mention Starcraft was NEVER high sci-fi (fantasy?). It was NEVER about saving world and angels. Why there always has to be redemption story in Blizzard games at some point? Why usually champions of light with wings?
>More in next post
>>339250584
God your such a faggot.
they really are not as bad as you say you fucking pessimist
>>339271000
>Warcraft
The story was pretty strong. WoW has introduced a few interesting plot twists (NElves allying with humans and dwarves, UD allying with Horde). It was all great as long as you were just some random guy having adventures. Same goes for mechanics - I loved huge 40-men raids and their challenges.
It's not only bad that the game was streamlined and made easier. Instead of adding zones/continents/worlds and so on, Blizzard has decided they will progress story. This is bad because MMOs suck at this and it could only and in one sad way. They could have simply added Outland, then Emerald Dream and so on. No story progression was ever needed to keep people playing.
Right now the story is so convulted you want to puke. Illidan is going to become champion of light with bright wings just like Tyrael or Kerrigan. This is a step too far. How can anybody accept this and keep playing - I don't know.
They could have stopped after WotLK and release W4 to clean things up and then make WoW2. This way they could have progressed story a bit. This way they would make sure they have steady increase in subs.
>>339255014
It didn't make the game fun
>>339271000
>>339271618
>Diablo
I was never a big fan of Diablo but the hype before D3 premiere has gotten me. Why was this game released as always online to play Single Player I will never know. Maybe it was their idea of DRM. The fact is it was nigh on impossible to log in during first 3-4 days after release. You had to keep trying to log in for about an hour in hopes to succeed.
The game wasn't awful first time I played it but after third time I simply got bored. My friends stopped playing and so did I. Loot was unpredictable and I always felt it was worse version of WoW.
As in WoW you grinded shit forever in hopes of good items. But WoW was much better - it had better social aspect, raids and greater diversity of content.
Overall, I feel like this game was doomed. The times have changed and it was just too boring. I was also expecting something darker.
The expansion was more interesting but new act's style felt just like act 1 (which is the longest). I was really hoping for something more divers. We haven't had for example jungle in D3. One thing has to be said, the soundtrack was fantastic.
>>339271405
Yes they are.
>>339271000
>>339271618
>>339272049
>Hearthstone
This is actually one of the few things done right by new Blizzard. I believe it was because the game has started as pet project of a few work pals at Blizzard. It wasn't a product of generic game generator used by executives.
There are microtransactions but you don't have to use it.
>Heroes of the Storm
Game that was meant as middle finger towards Valve. The finger is broken. I have tried it because friends asked me and it was boring. It's just gimmicky dota.
Maybe it's just not my thing. There's nothing original and matchmaking takes forever.
>Overwatch
Game that was born out of corpse of Project Titan, the failed MMO. Game that sells you story outside of game just like Destiny (but if Blizzard does it, it's ok). Story about organization bla bla bla, white knights. Whatever the story is - can someone explain me why instead of fighting "bad guys" these heroes fight each other in this game?
Why build up such cheap story if it's not used? I don't get it.
I have yet to play try this game but from what it looks it's obviously inspired by TF2 with Pixar like graphics.
I'll only remind you, that this game was meant to be F2P but due to great reception from beta testers they slapped price on it. This game has 12 maps for 60$, each with only one mode of play.
>>339255014
>fixed with expansion.
>remember that shit game you bought 2 years ago? if you buy expansion it's not that shit anymore i swear
Heroes of the Storm isn't dead. Literally hundreds of people play it!
>>339272692
You have obviously never played HS. I have over 2,000 ranked wins and 700 arena wins and I still am missing a LOT of cards. They keep pumping out new expansions before I can even get the shirt from the old one. Barely any legendaries. Maybe 5 or 6 in my entire time playing.
Hots has slow matchmaking cuz dead.
>>339273106
If you played 2700 matches total, you know that legendaries are not usually the best cards. There are a few that are very good (or even meta-defining) but there are decks for 1k dust with which you can get to Legend.
>>339272851
It is pretty dead, but it's still the best MOBA I've ever played. If only because it's not full of kids throwing temper tantrums and there's much less laning.
>>339273795
>what is mute option
There, i fixed your problem with kids throwing temper tantrums.
>>339249474
thanks to no one caring about SC anymore, make it 2
>>339271000
>>339271618
>>339272049
>>339272692
I understand you, but let's face it, Blizzard is nothing like it used to be and it ain't fix itself anymore.
