So which one was better, /v/?
They're both equal in my opinion.
>>339216546
This desu
>>339216467
Bloodborne.
It has a good solid identity.
BB atm, we'll see after the DS3 DLC.
Bloodborne, off course.
Anyone who played Bloodborne will choose Bloodborne
>>339216467
FUCKING STOP ALREADY
Bloodborne theme is better, DaS3 lost its unique dark fantasy theme from DaS1
I greatly prefer Bloodborne
DS3 because BB is a PS4 exclusive
I played Bloodborne and DS3 back to back and enjoyed BB more.
>>339216467
BB is better pve-wise in most every way. It was certainly more unique considering DS3 is mostly just a rehashing/fanservice attempt centered around DS1.
>>339216467
Bloodborne, by far.
Bloodborne. DaS3 is great but it suffers from the abundance of fan service. Neither can touch DaS1 though.
>>339216657
this
its mathematically impossible to say otherwise having played both
With DLC, Bloodborne
Without DLC, DS3
Bloodborne because it tries to do lots of thing different and also because it is self contained. While DS3 is a rehashed fest with a lot of the things needing the other two games to explained themselves.
Also the combat in BB is, for me, more fun.
>>339218190
This. DS3 will most likely be the better game when it gets its DLC's.
>>339218123
>>339216657
kill yourselves
Bloodborne. Even though the base game was barebones as fuck, it still felt more unique and satisfying than DkS3.
BB > DaS > DaS3 > DeS >>> DaS2
Bloodborne is probably the best game i've ever played. The setting/world/lore is fantastic and combat is easily the best i've seen in an RPG.
DLC is also fantastic as well
>>339218339
a lot of people have said that about BB's base game but I never felt that way when playing it, care to explain your reasoning behind that claim?
the DLC will make or break DS3
>>339216604
Reskin
>>339218379
Close enough, thoughI would put DeS higher.
>>339218379
DaS3=BB>SoTFS>DaS=DeS>DaS2
>>339218379
I
BB > DaS > DaS2 > DaS3 > Des
myself
Definitely Bloodborne
>>339218532
That would be DS2 and DS3.
>>339216467
BB...but only if you include the DLC desu
Until the dlc is out we can only compare the base games. I havent even played the old hunters yet but I'm well aware of the praise it receives here and I feel it's safe to say that most people would agree comparing full BB to vanilla DS3 would be unfair.
Just off the base games it's hard to say. I agree with this somewhat >>339216604
Bloodborne is still very soulsesque but it was a breath of fresh air. DaS3 definitely refined and mastered some aspects of souls but made a lot of changes for the worst.
Honestly all 5 of the games considered soulsborne have something going for them that the other games dont. It would be easier to rank them all in seperate categories such as pvp, pve, bosses, lore, weapons and armor, spells, etc.
Hmm, I would say Bloodborne. It was just a really well designed game all around and it was a different enough take on the formula to really stand out from the others. Plus I find the trick weapons to be amazing and completely new to me.
das > des > das3 >>> bb >>> das2
I like both equally.
>>339218652
I completely agree with this
>>339219038
Every bestial boss in this game is so boring.
Maria, Orphan, and Logarius were objectively superior than big screaming slashy beast #32
>Doing an STR char
>Get 30 STR and use Voldst Hammer
>It's kinda slow for PVE but good enough for PvP
>Get Dark Sword as a drop on 1st Dickwraith i kill
>Might as well infuse it with Heavy
>I do almost the same damage without the slowness/stamina use
God damn it, this sword is just too OP, gonna use it until i can farm better weapons since faggots keeps invading me.
Also a Pyro guy raped my shit and i loved it, gonna try a Pyro build later, what's the best to start with?
>>339218190
this, we'll have to wait for the 2 ds3 dlcs to fully decide which game is better
>>339219095
my negro, I thought I'd get the usual shit for not memeing it up with Das2 in last place or failing to overrate DeS (basically DaS beta) due to nostalgia.
Bloodborne has a better atmosphere, and better music.
I enjoyed the faster-paced combat as well.
That being said, DaS3 is pretty close.
>>339218303
Nah, Vanilla BB was better than Vanilla DaS3. Better story, better levels and better bosses. Not as many weapons, but any combination of Str, Skill(Dex), Arc, or Bloodtinge had at least two dedicated weapons, and Quality had half a dozen at least.
In DaS3, Faith is worthless outside of the minimum prereqs for meme weapons, Int is almost worthless until late game when you get the crystal soul spear, at which point why use anything else, and Pyromancy was half-decent, but has no dedicated weapons. There are an enormous amount of weapons that are objectively useless and aren't even worth putting in the game, like Saint's Bident and the Mail Breaker (seriously, who the fuck ever uses a mailbreaker?)
Long story short: BB was better than DaS3 BEFORE The Old Hunters, and the presence of the DLC only slingshots it even higher in my opinion. Once all the DLC content for DaS3 is out, we can hold a final verdict, but I have a hard time believing the DLC will be able to salvage the base game's fundamental problems. It would take a serious balance patch and a severe buff to casters in general and weapon efficacy to change my mind.
Only regarding the base games
>pvp
DaS2>DaS1>DaS3>DeS>BB
>pve
DaS3>BB>DaS1>DeS>DaS2
>bosses
DaS3>BB>>>>DaS1=DeS>DaS2
>lore
DeS>BB>DaS1>>>DaS3>DaS2
>atmosphere
DeS=BB>DaS1>>DaS3>>>>DaS2
>>339216467
I honestly enjoyed DS2 more than DS3 and it's not because it was better but because the formula still felt a little fresh. Playing DS3 was almost like a chore for me at the end. BB feelt as fresh as DeS or DS1 though. So Bloodborne for me.
>>339219132
Ludwig is a fucking godlike bossfight.
>>339216467
The one thats on pc
DaS3 is far too uninspired and never quite gets away from feeling like a retread of DaS1 - at least DaS2 tried something new and improved on a lot of things.
For now, BB > DaS3 until the DLC.
>>339219268
I agree with you putting DaS2at the top of the pvp list but why would one put the pve DaS3 above BB, they got rid of the fast-paced action and gutted the combo system and knee-capped magic.
>>339219268
>pvp
>das2
Hol up
*buffs self
So what u b sayin
*buffs weapon
iz that we be pvpin
*buffs self again
now now hol up
*2-3shots enemy
So dis is best pvp?
*smashes dat motha fukken r1 button
>>339219373
Only the Holy Blade, The accursed isn't.
Pretty much the same game with a different title anyway
>>339219140
>until I can farm better weapons
I have some bad news, anon...there is no better weapon. As long as you keep upgrading it and don't spam R1 like a retard in PvP nothing can outclass it short of UGS and other heavy weapons. Even then, your DPS with the Dark Sword will be comparable if not superior, because it's faster and easier to land a hit than with Fume's ultra slow buildup.
sometimes I wish PC gamers could play BB on PC, only to see what boss they collectively get butthurt at
the bosses in BB are harder than DS3, only a few of them on par with BB bosses
plus I want to see BB in 1080p 60FPS
>>339219438
I want Facebook kids to leave.
You can spot them immediately because they have to meme every response.
If it's not this adoption of gay memeRP shit, it's putting >le in front of everything, or muh, or whatever trend they saw from a screencap of /v/ from 3 years ago.
Please go back to your pages and stay there.
>>339219438
>I haven't played since vanilla
>>339219218
Oh you will, just not from me.
>>339219482
here's your reply, not go play the games before posting about them
I've been wondering another question recently:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10338369
Although 3 is so recent I can't imagine it having much of an identity.
>PvP
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2(ebic soul memory ecksdee)>DeS
>PvE
DaS3>BB>DaS1>DeS>DaS2
>setting
BB>DaS1=Das3>DeS>>>DaS2
>lore
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DeS>DaS2
>boss fights
DaS3 if even half decent dlc > BB >/= DaS3 >DeS >DaS1 > DaS2
>>339219604
Its not the memeing... Its the reddit syndrome of copying whatever is new untill its old and they do it way too fast....
>>339219268
>DS3 has the better pve
What? It seems like every encounter is trying to get behind them for a quick backstab or R1 them to death because almost all of them have no poise. Also, they added a ton of mobs and DS system, unlike BB, doesnt work well with lots of enemies (see the gank squad bosses of DS2 DLC)
>>339219539
Damn... deep inside i know that.I'll just farm for fun weapons then, i never use the Drang maces or Fume UGS
>>339219481
Holy Blade wouldn't be as great as it is without the Accursed to contrast it. Accursed isn't even that difficult, if you just stay on his left side and know when to move.
>tfw playing Bloodborne
>Just beat Amelia
>fucking LOVING the game
>still have the DLC to do
>havent' even completed Witcher 3 on NG+ to get my save ready for B&W
WHAT DO I DO BROS?! How far do I have left in Bloodborne!?
>>339219851
Butcher's cleaver is kind of fun, and great for Lunatic Cannibal cosplay builds.
The only thing that bugs me about it is that it's shitty weapon arte prevent you from buffing it, and I'm pretty sure you don't absorb ANY health from hits unless you use the arte.
It's supposed to absorb health with each hit, right? Can anyone confirm whether or not it does so without the L2 buff activated?
>>339216467
>was
stop referring to games in past tense
>>339220074
Did you do Hemwick or getkidnapped?. I would say you are at 40%. Try the dungeons now.
>>339220074
You're not even halfway. You're about a third, or a quarter if you count all optional content and the DLC. You're technically capable of accessing the DLC now that you've killed Amelia, but DON'T. You'll get your shit pushed in hard.
The only reason you should enter the DLC area at this point is to run for the armor set and weapons lying in the first area. There's 3 strength weapons and I think 1 Skill weapon before the first bossfight, and three sets of armor. You'll have a hell of a time getting them though.
>>339219431
The enemy design felt really lackluster to me in BB. Every single enemy in the game can be r1 spammed stunlocked to death without any thought required and the only two that can't are two of the most unfun, bullshit enemies in the series. The mobs in DaS3 aren't great either but I found the outrider knights and the black knights pretty fun to fight.
I probably goofed in thinking that pve also meant bosses. If thats the case than DaS3 and BB and equal.
>People generally have a DaS1 boss they love to fight each playthrough
>From adds bonfire ascetics in DaS2 for those people
>Miyazaki, the supposed superior idea-guy, says fuck fans and removes the concept from BB
>Still doesn't bring it back in DaS3 despite taking a bunch from DaS2 and DaS1
There is literally no reason I shouldn't be able to fight Pontiff again solo.
I don't want to go through the "Miyazaki" experience just to fight a boss I like
>>339220294
>DaS3 and BB are* equal
my bad
>>339220273
>Did you do Hemwick or get kidnapped?
Just doing Hemwick now and yea, I got kidnapped earlier but found a lantern at the top (didn't really explore the area).
So i'm at around 40%? Not bad, hopefully it takes a while though, i'm loving it so far.
>>339217915
This. Thread should have ended there. Right there dammit.
>>339216906
>PCuck upset
I think it comes down to which setting and lore you like more. I liked DS3 more.
>>339220293
>You're not even halfway. You're about a third, or a quarter if you count all optional content and the DLC
Aw shit, that's pretty good to hear tbqh.
>The only reason you should enter the DLC area at this point is to run for the armor set
What armor set? I just might do that if it's really at the very start.
>>339220526
Its like you dont even want us to try out bb
>>339220627
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/685616464229838850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
>>339217915
Miyazaki should stick to doing one-offs
Sequels appear to be his weakness
>>339220294
that's fair I guess, there are a lot of enemies that can be cheesed. I guess I was thinking more pve from the perspective of the combat system itself.
>>339220506
>>339217915
How can anyone prefer DS1 to DaS3? At least DemonSouls and Bloodbornefags have "originality" as an argument but DS1 doesn't even have that due to it being a complete rehash of Demon Souls?
The last half of DS1 was complete trash, PVP is a disaster due to backstab fishers with "Muh Ninja flip ring" and the bosses are all mediocre outside of O&S?
The DLC was fantastic but the base game was complete mediocrity compared to DS3, let alone Bloodborne.
>>339220627
its like you cant even afford a ps4 anyways NEET
>>339220294
That's bullshit, though. In BB pretty much every enemy has some kind of blink recovery strike it will use if r1'd too many times in a row, and all larger besital enemies have hyperarmor attacks. Outrider knights are actually a DaS3 example of this, and a sign to me that From is really fucking sick of Dark Souls.
Think off all the enemies in DaS3 that make you think "this shit is right out of Dark Souls!" There's a reason why that is, and I think it's this: The people designing enemies for Dark Souls 3 were still high on the aesthetic and combat philosophy of Bloodborne, and had to force themselves to slow down to make more chunky, slow Dark Souls enemies for 3. They made Souls 3, but what they really want to be making right now is Bloodborne 2 or something similar.
>>339220765
agreed
New world rules, New Lore and locations do wonders.
Demons souls
>>339220469
unless you just outgrind every boss, orphan of kos and laurence will occupy you plenty
>>339220765
but what would the next setting be?
>>339220843
People over-level and say its an r1 fest.
>>339220627
If people realized it's nothing special the PS4 would truly be worthless.
>>339220815
Not unless i cut into other important funds like drugs hookers food and humble bundle or decide to give up more of my gaming time to afford a console i dont want
>>339221054
A western
>>339220469
>didn't explore the area
Explore the area. There's a pretty good elemental weapon in that area and its great for blood shard and twin blood shard farming. Tough enemies though.
Story and singleplayer-wise, Bloodborne.
In terms of multiplayer, Dark Souls III is the clear winner.
Bloodborne also has more fantastic bosses but they're sandwiched in-between some mediocre ones while Dark Souls 3 has some consistently okay fights that are neither really good or really bad.
Comparing base game DS3 is better in my opinion but with old hunters, BB is better
Bloodborne, bar none.
I played DaS3 and enjoyed it a ton but that was about it, all I have to look forward to is the DLC, yet I'm already back and playing the shit out of Bloodborne again, there's something about it that keeps me coming back, always new builds to try, always new weapons (that actually feel distinct from eachother, unlike most of DaS3 weapons) and the way the world, combat system and mechanics flow together so well I just keep coming back for more. I'm not even a sonygger, I honestly with this game WAS on PC so my fellow PCbros could enjoy it just as much as I do.
>>339221196
das3 multiplayer is just a crowd pleasing panderfest.
Bloodborne, no context. Every weapon felt unique, the bosses were all great (except for fucking Rom), the pacing was perfect and it even got great DLC, to boot. DS3 felt like it was done out of some sort of obligation.
>>339221196
I agree with literally everything you just said, you're alright anon
>>339220815
I could buy a PS4 and a copy of the game now if I wanted to, but spending $400 just for one game is silly.
>>339220561
The Old Hunter set is strewn about the starting area, which is a tattered coat, and one of those face covering high-collars with a wide-brimmed hat. There's also a british constable set, and a nice swallowtail coat with a butcher's apron on the front.
The weapons are the Beast Cutter, a strength weapon that combines the toothed look of the saw cleaver and the chain-whip of the threaded cain, the Hunter's Saif, which is a great Skill weapon that folds up like a saw cleaver, but has a different moveset and a lot of good combos into transformation for quick advanced and retreats, the Boom Hammer, a Str/Arc weapon that you can charge with the transform for a more powerful, flame-charged swing, and the Wirligig Saw, which is the Pizza Cutter you have no doubt heard of already.
There's also an NPC you can murder early who drops a sword that transforms into a bow which does Bloodtinge damage you can charge up. It's a great Bloodtinge/Skill weapon.
There is no shortage of amazing shit for you to find.
>>339220810
Shush. Just fucking shush with yourself. It has already been stated in this thread why it's better than DS3.
It was fresh, and it was fucking beautiful. I haven't felt that since Dark Souls. The direct sequels are fantastic games, especially DS3, but it really is just the same old. Just prettier.
bloodborne
No game has ever actually grossed me out until I saw these.
Jesus Christ did these make my skin crawl.
>>339221376
I bet thats how piss4 fags fell for the piss4 meme
>>339221515
drip drop
>>339221490
>was
see
>>339220210
>>339221558
SPLISH SPLASH SPLISH SPLASH
>>339221515
plip plop
>>339221490
>It was fresh, and it was fucking beautiful.
It was not fresh at all because it was a virtual rehash of Demon Souls. Dark Souls 3 is also beautiful.
Either explain what makes Dark Souls 1 better than 3 or don't bother responding
>>339221376
Nah. Realistically you will play other games on it, but Bloodborne experience is worth about $250. I'm enjoying Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted is pretty as fuck.
>>339221291
KIRKHAMMER
Fuck yes. This thing is more fun and useful in a fight than any fucking hammer/club in Souls.
>>339220843
>In BB pretty much every enemy has some kind of blink recovery strike it will use if r1'd too many times in a row
what enemies did this?
>>339221073
Kill yourself
>>339221391
All of that is in the starting room?
>>339216467
BB without a doubt.
The atmosphere and art direction is amazing. And I say this as a guy who doesn't even own a PS4, only played like 1/3 of the game over at a friend's house.
>>339221723
>BB is a rehash of DeS
do you have to take some sort of vitamin supplement to be this fucking wrong? if you're pointing out some sort of atmospheric similarities with Latria ok, but that's where it ends.
>>339221558
>>339221653
>>339221701
![99af70728a916b4413806dd5a2103318[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GgP9kYP.jpg "99af70728a916b4413806dd5a2103318[1].jpg")
>>339221747
>you will play other games on it
>Bloodborne experience is worth about $250
They were both great but I like Bloodborne better. It's just more fluid.
>>339221723
When the bait is this poor
>>339216467
Both were good. Bloodborne was better.
>>339221828
yeah, the second half is just not good aside from upper cathedral ward, mensis (the level itself not the bosses)
>>339216467
Need to see the DLC for DaS3, honestly
BB's DLC is what brought it over every other souls game for me, this might do the same
>you will never play Bloodborne for the first time again
>that fucking twist
I legitimately feel sorry for anyone who had that spoiled for them.
>>339221121
>drugs
its like you want to die young
>hookers
its almost as if women find you unattractive
>food
its almost like you eat more than you should
>humble bundle
its almost like you like wasting your money
smelly PCuck :^(
>>339221762
Well, basic townsfolk with torches will catch you with a torch thrust if you get greedy, Brick trolls will shove you bodily away, fly fuckers will jump on your head regardless of how many times you attack, and these are just the things that pop into my head after not playing for months. You don't know shit, so maybe you shouldn't be telling people to kill themselves for disagreeing with your punk ass.
>>339221803
Starting AREA. You can, with some courage and luck, run past all the enemies in the area and just run for all the item drops. It's what I did my first time, one I realized the mobs in the area will kick your fucking ass for free.
When does BB come to PC?
>>339222102
Not until Sony ports it
>>339221862
>>339221927
I wasn't talking about BB, I was talking about DS1 relative to DS3.
I think BB is the best Souls game.
>>339221723
>It was not fresh at all because it was a virtual rehash of Demon Souls.
Seriously anon? Do you understand what rehash fucking means? Dark Souls is a literal fucking rehash of Demon Souls, just done better.
Bloodborne has the base gameplay mechanics as the souls games just tuned in different ways. Its setting is also extremely fresh for the series.
I love that it wasn't a direct sequel and actually was allowed to he it's own thing. And yeah, it was pretty glorious.
Bosses:
DaS3>BB
Although Old Hunters had Orphan and Ludwig, two of the series best bosses, I didn't care for the rest and the main game wasn't exactly spectacular boss wise.
The best fights in BB were Orphan, Ebrietas, Gehrman, Logarius and Abhorrent Beast
Champion Gundyr, Nameless King, Twin Princes, Pontiff Sulyvahn and Soul of Cinder were the best in 3 and they easily eclipse the majority of BB's.
BB had pretty good area design though, but I felt the overly drab theme weared incredibly thin by the end of the game, as the game didn't really try to expand into anything interesting, the nightmare areas would have been perfect for this, but instead we get a really useless desert/dusty ruin area, and the nightmare of mensis which feels like a retread of the main game
In terms of music, I appreciated the production in BB, but the monotonous horror feeling wore thin with a lot of the bosses, to the point where it lacked a sense of identity, I felt this was most prevalent in the chalice bosses. I would say that Ebrietas and Gehrman are the stand outs from the main game, and Ludwig/Living Failures/Orphan are the standouts from the dlc, although I disliked Ludwig's first phase and Orphans second for reasons previously mentioned.
In dark souls 3, there were a few tracks I disliked, ancient wyvern and crystal sage sound a bit muddled in inspiration and could have used more time, but other than that I generally like the soundtrack, a lot of the bosses have vastly different sounding tracks that suit them really well, something BB was good at was reinforcing the theme of the fight, I felt DS3 did this as well as making the tracks enjoyable outside of the fight largely.
Gascoigne's theme in particular, it added tension to the fight very well, but outside it was painfully boring.
I would say DS3's standouts are Sulyvahn's, Nameless King's, Twin Princes, Yhorm's, Oceiros's and Dancer's.
Overall I rate the series as:
DaS3>BB>DaS>DaS2>DeS
>>339222043
>that twist
what, you mean the point the game turns to absolute irredeemable garbage?
>>339222243
Mentally degenerate cunt retard
TOH > AotA > DS1 > DS3 > BB > DES > SOTFS > DS2
>>339222043
Funny how I had 0 interest in the game until I learned about the Lovecraft stuff.
I think DaS3 has the best base game boss fights in the series. Who knows what the DLC will bring.
>>339222243
>DaS2 over DeS
My only point of contention. DeS, for all that it is technically inferior, has infinitely better level and enemy design, and a story that isn't hackneyed, fan-fiction-tier garbage.
>>339221913
Do people not rate how much they believe their games are worth to them? You buy a base triple A game brand new at release for $60. Is it worth $60? Usually not. But if you love a game that much wouldn't you actually say it's worth so much more?
I bought Bloodborne for $40 with $20 going to the DLC, and that's one of the greatest games I've played since Dark Souls.
>>339218379
nah
DeS >>> BB > DS > DaS3 >>> DaS2
>>339219481
>>339219132
You're absolutely wrong.
Cleric, Gascan, and Ludders are two of the best fights in the game. And even now with all the hours under my belt I still get nervous when there's a Loran Darkbeast at the bottom of a Lower Loran layer 3 FRC dungeon.
>>339222242
That's what i'm fucking saying you retard, look at the context of my response and see >>339222175
>>339222518
DLC bosses are pretty much always harder than what the main game has to offer, so that will probably be the case once again.
>>339222328
If the transition from Bram Stoker's Dracula into Eldritch horror didn't get your dick rock hard then you can get right out of my face.
>>339222043
Oh, Amygdal, have mercy upon those bastards!
>>339222552
I only rate DaS2 higher because the dlc content has fantastic level design and 6 really good bosses.
I went back to demons souls to replay it around about January, and it felt incredibly dated the whole way through, not enough for me not to appreciate it in some ways, but also not enough for me to put it ahead of any other game.
I also found that most of the music in the game is absolute garbage with the exception of like 3 or so tracks.
This is objective fact.
DeS = TOH > BB > DaS3 > DaS > DaS2 >>> SotFS
>>339222593
>three of the best fights in the game.*
post yfw you first saw an Amygdala
>>339222628
Stop being so salty. I was writing my post when you posted >>339222175.
Also DS > DES
DaS3 has more build variety than bloodborne given how magic and miracles aren't grouped together under the same stat.
>>339222840
>mfw during the demo
>>339222840
Oh. Neat. Whatever.
the DLC brought a ton of new weapons and content that really fixed the biggest issues of bloodborne. base game was really not as good and if you were to compare current version of bloodborne to dark souls 3 right now it is not fair at all. base game to base game though, dark souls 3 is clearly better
>>339222840
>>339222840
>>339222947
I'm glad this isn't a VR game
>>339222840
>mfw I had the invisible Amygdalas and how Insight reveals them spoiled 2 days before I played BB
>>339222901
Be that as it may, magic and miracles are shit in DaS3 so there's no motivation to use them (there were couple of bloodtinge spells mate)
>>339222556
No game is worth $250 to a normal human being.
>>339222679
But it was hardly a transition.
It was limp as fuck.
You kill Rom and then you go to yahargul where you fight more peasants, and then weird bloody wolves and body cages.
The only real difference was the moon and amygdala's, I don't really understand how they made much impact after byrgenwerth.
Then you go to the lecture building which felt kind of jarring by being disconnected from the world, and you fight off slime students, it's hardly amazing, then you go to nightmare frontier with it's whole 3 useful things to do, fight amygdala, who is both limp in visual aesthetic after the more oppressive looking yahar'gul ones and limp in mechanics, and then you go to nightmare of mensis where you go through more gothic hallways.
It was just kind of shit.
Other than the encounter with Ebrietas and moon presence I don't really think BB ever elevated itself into Eldritch horror unless you really got around to digging into the lore while you went through and theorycrafted shit.
So many people sell the game on the "twist" but I just don't get the big deal, it marked the point where the bosses became worse, the areas became worse, and the game lost all pace, I don't really get how it's even a "twist" considering the second location the player character is likely to go is hunters dream.
I wish they did more with the nightmare areas to be honest.
It's thankful we got somewhere as interesting as fishing hamlet in the dlc, but that doesn't excuse the poor execution in the main game.
>>339220684
What an asshole. how come some people be so mad about exclusives
>>339219268
How can one be so wrong?
>pvp
DeS>ds3>ds1>bb=ds2
>pve
Bb=ds1>deS=ds3>>>>ds2
>bb>ds1=ds3>des>>>>>>>ds2
>bosses
Bb>ds3>ds1=des >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ds2
>>339222386
I was receptive to the idea of being a Werewolf Hunter in Gothic/Victorian Not!London, but the sudden switch from Gothic Monsters to Eldritch Horrors from the Darkness Between Stars was both seamless and vastly more interesting than the game was advertised to be.
Not only that, but I honestly found the usual Souls Game level-based storytelling turning Bloodborne from an action powertrip to a genuine horror. The revelation of what's actually going on in Yarnham, the details you pick up on walking through town, seeing the statues in the cathedral, and finally,seeing the mummified corpses of people, frozen in a desperate struggle to escape whatever the fuck was moving through the streets in a tortuous monument like some kind of victorian Pompeii. Men, Women and children, all climbing over each other, desperately cramming themselves into any space they'll fit through, anywhere they can reach to get away from whatever it was they saw there, before dying by the hundreds.And the revelation thatThe Amygdalas were there, the whole time. Watching you. Everywhere.
Bloodborne scared the shit out of me, but not in a BOOGABOOGABOO! sort of way. It scared me with a slow, seeping, dawning sense of dread and terror, realizing that you have wandered into something far more dire than you could ever have expected.
Bloodborne's atmosphere is a masterpiece. This is objective truth.
>>339223209
Yet people have spent thousands just to play WoW for all these years. People buy DLC for games that comes out to hundreds of dollars. Also normal human don't come to /v/ so who are you to speak?
>>339222840
>>339222947
The Insight mechanic is perhaps one of the biggest "WHAT THE FUCK" moments i've ever had in vidya.
FUCK I love Bloodborne.
>>339222840
I didn't really get why people cared about them, especially after the relatively spooky byrgenwerth.
Asides from the boss encounter, they're basically just this games equivalent of bridge dragons anyway.
>>339216467
I fucking hate to say it... but memeborne sadly.
Way too much community pandering, shit pvp, shit pve with really underpowered magic/faith, reused boss ideas (for the 3rd or 4th time) and several terrible bosses all in a game that's shorter than the previous two souls games.
At least for BB being shorter it had much more new content and was better balanced in pve as a game. Most weapons were at least usable and/or good or overpowered, no really shitty gear except doll set. The bosses whilst resuing the big hairy wolf monster meme too much on several bosses who shared similar patterns (even some DLC content was this bad) it had much more variation and fresh ideas.
I honestly still think BB should come to PC (because of mods and better framerate) despite having a PS4 just for it, and hence prefer the model of DaS3 (all systems supported). But the honest truth, and I knew it ever since announcement, is that this game didn't have enough dev time. When they announced it I was like "Already?". They just got BB out the door and DaS2 had Scholars and they already wanted to shove this out the door. They just didn't put enough time, concern or effort into it and it shows.
Bloodborne definitely.
Both were clearly rushed though.
>>339223390
I would try to argue you on this subject but you're sorta right.
>>339222840
>>339223357
>sudden switch from gothic monsters to eldritch horrors
there were no areas that really had an overall "eldritch feeling" other than nightmare frontier though
and there were relatively few bosses who gave that feeling as well
>DS3 just released and you are comparing the 2 games where bloodborne had a dlc release + numerous patches
>>339223620
>The blood clinic. Hypogean gaol. The fishing hamlet. Upper cathedral ward.
>>339223620
if you don't think areas like hemwick, yahar gul, and fishing hamlet were eldritch you don't fully understand the meaning of that word.
BB > Das1 > DeS > Das3 > DaS2
Dlc will probably put das3 ahead of des
>tfw no 6th archstone
>>339223620
>few bosses
>a good third of the bosses are AAYYYLMAO
>>339223797
absolutely this, if they ever HD rerelease DeS it's my fantasy that they'll make a 6th archstone with the giant's area from the intro lore...
Yahar'gul was pretty fucking spooky, seeing how the place became after the blood moon with all the snatchers dead, the infinite respawn enemies, the 4 hunter enemies clumped together in the gaol, and the amygdala that occasionally interfered. There was also that architecture in the later portion with all the statues of people in pain or terrified incorporated into the buildings.
>>339218123
>not knowing how to use the word "mathematically"
>>339223620
Nigger, did you even finish the game? You literally cannot complete the game without reaching Eldritch Horror 2, electric boogaloo: The Nightmare of Mensis, which you only access through the Lecture Hall (Eldritch Knowledge having pulled the idea of the place out of base reality and transforming the students within into mercurial corrosive slime people)
The DLC takes place entirely within a warped, Cosmic Plane of Horrors that ends in what is LITERALLY FUCKING INNSMOUTH.
You literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
pvp:
DS2>DS3>DS1>DeS>BB
pve:
DS3>BB>DS1>DS2>DeS
OST:
DS3>DS1>BB>DS2>>>DES
Bosses:
DS3>BB>DS1>DS2>DES
Melee combat:
BB>DS3>DS1>DS2>DES
Magic and utilities:
DS2>DS3>DS1>DeS>BB
Armour:
DS2>DS3>DS1>BB=DeS
NPC's:
DS3>DeS>DS1>BB>DS2
Area design:
ds2dlc>BB=DS3>DeS>ds1>BB
I had to specify the ds2 dlc, because it's really god damn good for level design
World Design and consistency:
DS1>DS3=BB>DeS>DS2
BB would be higher if it were not for the post-yahar'gul areas
Graphics:
BB>DS3>DS1=/=(variable)>DS2>DeS
>>339224004
Those 3 hunters were legitimately harder than 80% of the bosses
>>339216467
Bloodbourne
I played bb for two hours at a friend's place and ds3 for 40, bb was far more enjoyable
>>339224098
At least they didn't respawn once killed.
>>339224004
Too bad it was the most boring area to play through. Other than those two hunters it was completely forgettable. And those fuckers permanently die.
>>339223918
I doubt it, the 6th archstone pretty much became sens fortress in DaS. Making something new would be cool as shit, fill it with Das references too since it'd the land of the Giants
>>339224117
The first 2 hours are the best parts of the game aside from the DLC
DeS > DaS > DS3 > BB > DS2
>>339224213
Please god no, I've had quite enough fanservice to past games with DaS3 thanks
>>339224004Those aren't statues. Those were people. People who, for some reason, died in a state of panic and terror, desperately climbing up walls and each other to get away from the street. Whatever it was that killed them basically flash mummified and petrified their corpses, the same way the Mensis Cage folks littered about are withered and mummified.
>>339223620
>le bloodborne is not really eldrich
Why is there always one of you morons in these threads?
>>339223784
I'm more talking about how I felt on the games release, which is when discussions about the "twist" are more appropriate.
>>339224014
The nightmare of mensis is exactly the problem though.
Apart from the brain sub area, the game reiterates the gothic hallways and overall Victorian vibe.
The nightmare area could have literally been anything.
Anything at all, it could have been your worst nightmare, it could have even been something from the main game, corrupted to look horrible in every way, like hunters nightmare was in the dlc, but nightmare of mensis was just kind of "more bland dark Victorian aesthetic".
It just fell absolutely flat.
>>339224190
Once you realize how pointless it is to kill anyone before killing the bell maidens because they respawn too quickly, it becomes "rush past enemies: the level"
>>339224052
>BB not on top of ost
>fucking sakabaru das1 ost higher than bb
You're out of your goddamn mind
>>339223916
Not to mention that the final boss of Old Hunters is a direct child of a cosmic deity which is found (dead) right before the fight.
>>339222901
not right now it doesn't
>nopoise and the new way they calculate damage reduction means there's no reason to wear heavy armor
>magic is severely under powered, worse than arcane was when Bb released
>weapons are unbalanced in PVP leading to samy builds feat. straight swords, piercing swords and some outliers, the variety vs repetition of weapons I've seen in 70+ hours of pvp is about on par with Bloodborne's on release, keeping in mind that Bloodborne released with only 14 weapons
DaS3 needs a few patches and DLCs to fix it, which is a shame because the ease of use for some of the covenants and the sheer volume of people playing make it enjoyable.
Right now it has Bloodborne's armor system with equip load and a stifling damage calculation mechanic attached to it, a set of rolling mechanics that isn't as fun as the quickstep, and a weapon pool of unbalanced weapons that, sans some outliers, aren't as cool as trick weapons on the whole.
>>339219481
Have to disagree with you senpai. I died countless times to phase one, often within seconds early on, but by the time I had it down it was super fun. Felt like such a boss getting through it untouched. Like being a fedora level katana master, but feeling like I trained my way to it so it was actually cool.
>>339224297
nightmare was fun as fuck tho. love vertical levels like that
>>339216467
BB
>Got Bloodborne a few days ago
>Made it to Upper Cathedral Ward
>Got repeatedly stunlocked by a Brainsucker and it took something like 10 of my insight
>Haven't played it since
I'm still a bit mad. I just don't feel like dealing with that shit.
>>339224545
>milkweed rune with no parasite
>coop
>webm showing off a trap that is featured in many other games not unique to bloodborne
uh
>>339224289
We aren't talking about how you feel once you know about the whole game and shit like the overarching lore elements like that, which I'm sure you are thinking of when you factor in my argument.
We are talking about the feeling of the "twist".
A twist in many pieces of media is a point where you are immediately aware of something that completely took you off your feet.
With Bloodborne, it wasn't a twist, it was a gradual progression. You go into Byrgenwerth with the eldritch enemies already on you, the snakes themselves are monstrous beginnings compared to the earlier beast theme.
And then the game fails to really develop it.
I'm talking about the feeling you get when you actually sit there and play the game for the first time.
In my view, I just can't really understand why anyone would feel the "twist" is even that noteworthy.
>>339224052
>bb would be higher if not for the post yharl ghul areas
You mean just nightmare of mensis which was fucking great?
>he didn't do nightmare frontier right after Amelia lmaoing @ your life
>>339221291
>>339221761
such a best weapon
>>339224297
Do you really not understand this? Cosmic Horror isn't all wacky geometry and squidfaces. A lot of Lovecraftian Horror takes place in old buildings, libraries and universities and old fishing towns. The halls in Mensis aren't Victorian castle shit, they're libraries filled with books about the unknowable deep and shit, and they ARE corrupted. The architecture twists in places, everything's covered in an oily sheen, vaguely damp, and there are EYES GROWING OUT OF THE FUCKING WALLS.
You actually don't know what you're talking about, and are just speaking from a very shallow understanding of the thing you claim the game doesn't encapsulate. Read some of the goddamn literature and then maybe you'll be able to apply critical thought instead of uninformed, weak opinions.
>>339224562
You get so much insight throughout the game anon. I felt so pissed the first time it took 8 from me but fuck it, wreck the little shit and move on.
>>339224004
>Statues
>>339224507
Yeah it's an okay level, but it could have easily been filled with beasts and put in bloodborne's earlier game, and still have largely fit.
I wish they put something like fishing hamlet or hunters nightmare in the game, something that truly feels disturbing like how you feel when you see ebrietas for the first time.
>>339224663
I have kos parasite at +10, it's shit in pve
>>339224894
not if you gem it
Anyone know the connection between Gascoigne's music box and wet nurses theme?
>>339224725
2 handed weapons always lose to 1 handed in BB asuming you are using the full pallet of the combat flowchart
>>339224739
I'm purposely talking from a shallow point of view, as it emulates the experience I had with the game the first time I played through it.
I don't understand how the area and level design in Nightmare of mensis really gave the "development of eldritch themes" much value other than the brain and arguably the wet nurse at the top.
It didn't impact me very much.
Perhaps if they put some actual otherworldly shit like otherworldly, indescribable shifting sights, I would actually agree with you when you claim the transition was that impacting.
But for me, it wasn't, and I can't understand how anyone felt that nightmare of mensis was that much more alien than seeing things like the cleric beast, snakes in the forest, or gardens of eyes in byrgenwerth.
>>339224273
Its quite beautiful how fucked up bloodborne's entire setting came to be, I dont think we'll see anything like that again in a long time
>>339222243
>Not including Vordt's theme
nigga..
>>339224665
Have fun with your dumb, uninformed, out of touch opinions but know that everyone else thinks you're a fucking retard.
What eldritch type enemies do you fight before Byrgenwerth? Or Forbidden Woods which is directly outside Byrgenwerth...
>>339224957
i've got chalice gems on all of my ~10 +10 weapons, it's shit in pve because it's slow and can't stunlock nearly as well as just about every weapon
>>339224783
What's the best way to deal with them? Maybe I'm a bit underlevelled but they take me way too fucking long to kill, I'm forced to fight them in cramped corridors, and once they hit me with anything I'm fucked since they'll just stun>brainsuck>stun while I'm still on the ground>brainsuck until I'm dead.
>>339225013
I've fucked up quite a few invaders using two handed weapons with my boom hammer. That charged up fire R2 is faster than their R2 and does the same damage as theirs.
>>339224994
One of his daughter's is transformed into an infan great one (Mergo). Her body disappears one you start the fight with wet nurse.
>>339225206
There is literally 0 information in the game pointing to this
Should I bother with Arcane at all for my first playthrough?
My stats are currently 25/16/9/6 and I'm using Kirkhammer mainly because of its looks.
most people prefer bloodborne because it's more stylish than das3, but both are about as good as the other. that is to say they're both spectacular games.
>>339225206
which daughter? the one who gave you the box or the sister
>>339225265
15 arcane could be useful for hunters bone or roar
>>339225104
And what do you fight after byrgenwerth?
More villages, some more beasts, but they are bloody scraps now, puppets, giant beasts, spiders, and what areas do you go to after?
Another gothic town area, a scholarly building, another gothic building and a dusty ruin looking area which surprisingly might be the most alien environment in the game, a damn shame it is so utterly useless.
WOAH LITERALLY LIKE ALIENS ELDRITCH LMAO, TWIST AND SHIT
Honestly, the only time I've ever been bewildered in the entire souls series is the first time I stepped into ash lake.
>>339225141
Stun them till they die. Untricked saw cleaver is great. So is the tricked ludwig holy blade and kirkhammer.
>>339225068
How about the fact that the entire storyline shifts to involve cosmic gods, which was completely absent from any pre release material?
YOU had that experience playing the game the first time because you're a retard.
>>339219140
Chaos infusions are pretty good on pyro builds with 40/40 int/faith. Witch's Locks is also crazy.
>>339225265
you can't really use arcane well until late in the game. The best spells / arcane weapons don't appear until at least cainhurst or the dlc.
Don't go over 20 endurance, spend points in strength / skill based on what weapons you want to use.
I really want to make a Paladin Leeroy build with Morne's Greathammer and maybe the Golden Eagle Shield or East-West Shield, but I'm having a hard time finding armor that would suit Leeroy in DS3, much less allocating stats so I can mid-roll without having to be SL170+.
Anyone have any input?
>>339225068
>I'm purposely talking from a shallow point of view
And this is the point where I stop trying to discuss this with you. You're ignorant, purposely or otherwise, and it isn't worth the time or effort to lay out my argument any more than I already have. You have a good night.
>>339225361
You fight fucking aliens, cosmic gods, and animals with their heads switched after Byrgenwerth. There are floating heads of eyes that make your character go insane. After Byrgenwerth your character is literally sucked into a hellish nightmare dreamscape while an apocalyptic red moon hangs in the sky.
Sorry but your statements are just completely incorrect.
>>339225370
>entire storyline shifts to involve cosmic gods
Huh, because I certainly knew that right after I killed rom the vacuous spider, and then went back into Yahar'gul, another town area only now it has several amygdala's, so weird man.
And then I certainly knew that when I killed the one reborn.
The only point it resonated with me was when I got down to ebrietas.
>>339225362
Yeah, maybe I should try out another weapon. I picked the threaded cane at the start and I liked it so I've just been using that the whole time. I've got plenty of blood shards so I'll have a look at what I've picked up and upgrade something else. Thanks.
I enjoyed Dark Souls 3 more, but I think Bloodborne is the better game.
If that makes any sense?
Bloodborne's gameplay was infuriating at first but once I got to know it well it flows incredibly well. However I believe its boss fights are kind of lacking and level design is also rather poor, as the loot in BB consists mostly of blood vials, upgrade material, and gems. Dark Souls 3 had perhaps the best boss fights in the entire series, and even the crappy fights were still pretty decent. It also seemed to reward exploration a lot more. Bloodborne was also painfully linear, even moreso than DaS3, and build variety was sorely lacking (Im aware of this being an issue in DaS3 as well but weapon infusion adds a lot of variety as well as the ability to respec).
>>339224994
Aside from it being a tune with some heritage in the city, remember Yharnam is named afterMergo's mother, not really.
Since we're talking about it though I've noticed a pattern with the Nightmares you hunt in the game, Mergo's Wet Nurse, Orphan of Kos, and Moon Presence.
The Nightmare Slain message only procs once the dreamer is "killed": it's delayed blatantly in the MWN fight until Mergo stops crying and goes back to sleep, and you don't get it at all until the sweet child of Kos, that little wisp that rises out of Kos after OOK is killed, is "returned to the ocean".
The exception being the Moon Presence, which makes sense since Gehrman is already dead at that point.
>>339225013
but that's wrong
>>339225310
The sister
>>339225252
You can hear the song playing in their window before you talk to them, and her body (after she kills herself) disappears afte you get to mergo, and you youself can become an infant great one so it isn't crazy to think shee did too.I know I'm soweing bullshit tho :^)also Cleric beast is Ludwig, Wet nurse is Eileen and Abandoned madman is also Ludwig.
>>339223264
It's not so much a 'twist'. You get Madman's Knowledge fairly early on. This isn't 'loredigging', this is just reading an item description. By the time you reach the grand cathedral it's clear that things aren't as clearcut as they seem, and this gets reinforced when you go to Yahargul and straight up solidified when you head to the Nightmare Frontier.
The 'twist' is seeing it how it accumulates, the overall extent of the craziness, and it's all reinforced by a strong build-up. The game's sectioned off into three solid acts, each emphasized by the phases of the moon and color of the sky.
>I wish they did more with the nightmare areas to be honest.
The biggest downside. Nightmare of Mensis is this game's Profaned Capital, and just as linear.
>So many people sell the game on the "twist" but I just don't get the big deal, it marked the point where the bosses became worse
Micolash and Gherman are great.
The eldritch "twist" had literally no impact on me at all.only because I played the game 8 months after release when the twist was already well-known
>>339225695
>but that's wrong
i got over 2k hours and have never died to a 2handed weapon in pvp
>>339225796
>only because I played the game 8 months after release when the twist was already well-known
Maybe in the next lifetime man... Playing it blind was a treat
>>339225641
What the fuck are you even talking about now? Nobody cares if you don't like the twist but it's there. Dumbass
>>339225568
You truly misunderstand the point.
I am not acknowledging factors like "knowing the greater story or lore" or any shit like that.
Because I am talking about the experience the game gave to me as I played through it, and that is where the dissonance between me and you when it comes to the supposed "shocking" eldritch transition.
>>339225609
You fight more townsfolk, in a town, only there are some big fuckers on the wall, then you fight a mass of bodies, weird, but not exactly "eldritch" especially for a series like souls, which has had horror themed enemies in the past. Then you fight slug scholars, which are weird, but certainly not shocking. You then get to mensis where you fight more beast enemies, that explode into maggots, and there is a giant thing shining frenzy at you, again the only thing I would consider overly eldritch at this point is perhaps the amygdala's and maybe the scholars, you then fight spiders, and then go through the area with puppets, and then go up to fight micolash in all his shitness, and then the stitched animals, which seem more "horror" than eldritch to me.
Mergo's wet nurse, though, that's a good boss visually and conceptually, I give the game all credit there for instilling a sense of fear.
Again, I return to frontier, upper cathedral ward with the emmisary and ebrietas, the only points before moon presence I feel the game feels truly "eldritch".
I just don't understand why people think the transition is that good.
>>339225695
>until Mergo stops crying and goes back to sleep,
Anon...he/she/it doesn't "go to sleep," you pretty muchkilled it indirectly by killing Wet nurse, its care taker (look up the meaning of wet nurse) and ended the mensis ritual.
>>339225770
The same girl playing the tune gets killed by a boar in the quest line what the fuck are you talking about
Which souls game has the bestMusic?
>>339225265
Arcane is fine but keep in mind that a weapon that says it scales with arcane and deals pure physical damage will only benefit from arcane scaling if you gem it to deal non-physical damage. Ludwig's holy blade is a good example.
>>339226146
BB > 3 > Demon's = 1 > 2
>>339224052
>DS2 ahead of anything in OST
nigger you what
The One Who Craves Souls is GOAT
>>339226146
Bloodborne
>>339225890
>mfw those shots of Ebrietas in the Project Beast trailer and that Amygdala that disappeared from the Alpha
>mfw finding Madman's Knowlege in central Yharnam fully immersed with headphones on
>mfw that Brainsucker in lower Cathedral Ward
>mfw glimpsing the eldritch truth before the veil of reality is pulled back on my comfy werewolf hunting game
>>339226146
BB > DS1 > DS3 > DS2
Didn't play DeS but I listened to a couple tracks and they're pretty good. Not enough to judge. DS3 barely behind 1.
>>339226108
First daughter who gives you the music box gets eaten by the boar, her sister kills herself by jumping off the ledge close to her window after you give her her sister's ribbon.
>>339226214
DeS has too many tracks I consider horrendous in every way.
Storm King, Armor Spider, Tower Knight theme, Phalanx theme, leechmonger theme, dirty colossus theme.
There are like maybe 3 good tracks in the entire game.
