Just finished the Revelations route. Conquest and Revelations' story made me want to kill myself out of all its contrivances, but gameplay's the best it's ever been in the series.
Also the cast really lacked the vibrant magnetism of its immediate predecessor's. I remember being all excited to see how Awakening's supports would play out, how these characters would play out and what kind of kids they'd have.
Now it feels dry and utilitarian, like Pokemon husbandry. "Shiro is always a beast, Soleil's got retard lesbo strength," etc.
I do like the characters a lot, they're still oozing with personality in everything they do, especially with the more detailed animations, but it still feels disappointing, even with the base gameplay expanding on Awakening's robust customization and support systems.
Also despite being on all the packaging, the royals are disappointingly barely relevant in their routes. They show up, do a song and dance, then end up as (albeit powerful and useful) roster filler like every other unimportant Fire Emblem character in all the other titles, even the eldest princes who still weirdly defer to Corrin for inane reasons despite being in charge of most of their army, and their country in Ryoma's case, to say nothing of Xander, Ryoma, Leo and Takumi all being vaunted strategists and tacticians and still Corrin mostly consults Azura in every route.
Corrin and Azura desperately needed a Chrom to their Robin and Lucina, especially in the non-Birthright routes, to play the assertive and emotional humanist, instead of Corrin trying to play whatever would be convenient and Azura slapping them back into "productive' mode depending on what was happening in the story, then going back to infodumping and playing plot key.
>>339104838
By the time I got to Revelation, I had to take a break. I just got burned out.
Fire Emblem is trash, obliterate yourself.
>>339105856
I agree. Birthright was charming in being "standard Fire Emblem story but in Japan," and Conquest's gameplay at least kept me going, but I had to put a few days between chapters when it came to Revelations, even if I did enjoy some of the wackier gimmicks the maps got up to.
>>339104838
Well I like the game friend.
A few of my favorite supports
Beruka and Benny- they're both cute and quiet
Takumi and Camilla- Camilla just fucks with Takumi
Xander and Sakura- they're really good together
And Ignatius and Sophie, both just nice kids.
>he fell for the FE14 meme
>>339106237
The maps in Revelation tended to slow me down a bit. Some of the them are a bit too big and the obstacles can be a pain. The snow chapter comes to mind.
>>339106382
>Takumi and Camilla- Camilla just fucks with Takumi
>Xander and Sakura- they're really good together
Personally, I'm more a fan of pairing the older siblings with each other and the younger siblings with each other. I think Leo x Sakura is pretty cute.
>>339106465
>He still posts the he fell for the x meme
I liked the Conquest the most-------or rather, I liked the characters in the Conquest route a hell of a lot more than in Revelations and Birthright.
The plots of each route left a lot to be desired.
>>339107916
Also, Azura is the worst. Like holy shit, is she supposed to be your canonical love interest or something? Despite the twist/reveal in Revelations?
>>339108125
>Canonical
The way that a lot of the FE's work there's a bit of debate on that and other pairings, but she is the most pushed option for Male Corrin, yes.
Started playing Path of Radiance again lately and I just can't believe I'm noticing the differences in fucks given by the very fucking prologue.
See this? It's an in-game given justification for Greil not having the stats he should when training Ike. And the training weapons everyone uses for this session? Their descriptions specifically say they're not made to kill so bringing someone to 0 HP with them won't wound them in any way. And just about every single defeat otherwise is a kill, and dialogue in scenes is changed accordingly to reflect if a character was supposed to get a line here, but is no longer alive.
Fates was just all over the fucking place for what's death and what's a KO or retreat. Not even on your side, but the enemies as well. There's so many other contextual issues I can bring up between games, but this shit's apparent fucking immediately and it bugs me how easy it is to shit on Fates over little things like this.
>>339104838
I do think Fates' cast is better than Awakening's as a whole, but one of the plot's main problems is that it relies too much on Corrin and Azura. Doesn't help that Azura is obviously supposed to fulfill the 'strategist' role and yet she really comes across as not being very bright.
Thankfully Conquest's gameplay saves it by being really fucking good. It really is Radiant Dawn 2.0.
>>339106654
>Personally, I'm more a fan of pairing the older siblings with each other and the younger siblings with each other.
That works ok for the Nohr males/Hoshido females, but Ryoma/Camilla and Takumi/Elise are awful supports and are utterly eclipsed by the reverse. Well unless you are a eugenicsfag anyway.
>>339108756
Yeah, it really lacks a lot of little nuances like that. To be fair, PoR was kind of exceptional in that regard compared to most of the other games, not just Fates.
>>339108905
>Ryoma/Camilla and Takumi/Elise are awful supports and are utterly eclipsed by the reverse. Well unless you are a eugenicsfag anyway.
Ehh, I'm okay with those.
I finished Conquest a couple weeks ago.
Was I just unlucky, or was every unit that isn't one of the royal kids just plain bad.
Ophelia was the only nonroyal that felt like she could pull her own weight.
>>339110776He could have any hole he wanted.
>>339110973
Fates is pretty much Royal Emblem.
>>339110973
Effie can easily be a monster along with Keaton. I found Leo hard to use. However the royals are indeed more powerful.
>>339110973
Half the Conquest units are just plain bad as a base. It's a lot more evident when you recruit everybody in Revelation that Hoshidans are a lot more well off. (aside from some exceptions like Rinkah)
>>339110973
Yeah, it's not like Awakening where units are at least serviceable if not powerhouses. You're gonna get some characters that you just really can't use, to say nothing of the royals often essentially being the best version of characters in that classline anyway, especially Ryoma, Takumi and Xander.
If they don't really have an equivalent royal or fit a particular niche better, they'll do alright though.
>>339111447
It doesn't help that the some of the recruitments in Revelation are terrible. And it's justified kind of badly in the plot.
>>339110973
>>339111174
>>339111409
Even the royals aren't perfect in Conquest. I mean Xander and Camilla are pretty much the best units aside from Corrin but they can both get screwed if you are unlucky or not careful. Leo tends to have trouble doubling and Elise is usually blind.
As someone said, Effie and Keaton can easily be great. Silas is also pretty solid. Niles can be decent, though he will end up being overshadowed by Mozu if you put a little effort into her. Kaze is good as long as he doesn't get strength screwed. And Benny can be a good tank.
The main issue is just that the royals, mainly Xander and Camilla, are just so good that the other units tend to look bad by comparison.
>>339110973
wut? The royal kid sucks, especially xander who has shit speed and get x2 by almost every enemy. i dunno man playing on hard (Nohr) the normal units i raised end up being better than the royals
>>339104838
I want tolovea maid!
>>339111980
>The royal kid sucks, especially xander who has shit speed and get x2 by almost every enemy.
Toss him a couple of Speedwings and he's good famarino. The Royals are generally considered to be some of the best units. Though there are a couple who are seen to be a meh compared to the rest of them. Leo tends to get this complaint a lot.
>>339110973
I played birthright really lazily.
Up until I got Ryoma it was Takumi Emblem, and after that it was
>point ryoma at enemy
>win
until I realized he was stealing everyones exp.
>>339111980
yeah i benched him too, i hate slow units so i just left him there, pretty sure i got him killed on his recruitment chapter
>>339110973
Arthur got some pretty good rng in my hard conquest run.
made him a berserker for dem skills and pair up usefulness then I heart seal'ed him and he became the hero nohr needed.
Effie,Nyx and Niles are pretty good too.
Odin as well if you make him a samurai and rng doesnt fuck him over too much.
>>339111447
I think it's cause the Hoshidan classes trend towards specialization and tend to be very good at whatever they need to be(e.g. samurai, archer, pegasus knight) and so can synergize very well in any team makeup. To say nothing of the stat changes of Hoshidan armaments augmenting that.
Nohr trends towards balance often. Xander is a paladin. Camilla and Leo go for the red mage-esque Malig Knight and Dark Knight.
But a few bad levels and it goes the way of Roy/Eliwood where they try to be alright in everything and don't really end up too hot in anything.In Revelations, my Hinoka as a Falcon Knight somehow had more defense than Camilla, who still had really good defense
>>339104838
>Also the cast really lacked the vibrant magnetism of its immediate predecessor's. I remember being all excited to see how Awakening's supports would play out
For some reason, they brought in the guy that writes FUCKING SENRAN KAGURA'S DIALOGUE to do the Fates Supports, which is why they are beyond awful.
And on top of that several supports were altered or rewritten by the localisation.
>>339111174
>tfw you have over 16 dragon blood characters
Literally everyone is royal now
>ENG language Effie
Kill me
>>339112630
No, anon, the guy who wrote SK's story (and Phoenix Wright vs Layton) did Revelation's story. Another team (or person) separate from both the IS team who adapted the main story from Kibayashi's draft and the SK guy wrote the supports.
Who /Haitaka/ here
>>339110973
Ophelia and Nina are complete monsters with a magic mom and magic class. Velouria is pretty good too with the right mom. Ignatius is a defensive monster with a defensive mom.
Caeldori can be made good with a good mom and lucky level ups. Seigbert, Sophie, Shiro, Asugi and Kiragi can be good too with a good mom.
The rest are pretty bad. Especially Rhajat the Blind who with certain moms can have a FUCKING BASE SKILL OF FUCKING ZERO. FUCKING GET SOME GLASSES, YOU WHORE.
>>339112990
>FUCKING BASE SKILL OF FUCKING ZERO
>>339112354
Try making Ryoma marry Rinkah and have her go to Guard Stance with him. Ryoma becomes literally invincible.
>>339113190
>Tfw 5-10% accurary on the first map I deployed her on
>20% accuracy with pair-up and weapon triangle advantage
>>339112990
>>339113190
At least one of Hayato's only viable moms in Birthright gives her the the best skill mod she can get, even if she is a snail.
>>339112990
I outfitted Rhajat with some Avo-debuffing/Hit Rate-buffing skills, and she quickly became my best magic user.
>>339113496
Yeah, which in turn makes hit harder for her to double and dodge. Rhajat had a hard life.
>>339113563
If you buy skills and level in tons of classes, anyone can become good. Hell, Selena with Bowfaire and some other skills to fix her damage would turn her into a monster of a bow knight.
>>339112775
>My Room Lines
>Japanese Effie
>I'm so happy to be with you
>My amor, is it in the way?
>American Effie
>My emotions are stronger than my quads
>I love you as much as I can bench press
>>339112775
>>339114447
Effie is one of the main reasons I won't touch the dub. Fuck Treehouse.
>>339114447
>her swimsuit model is still a small lady
>her shopkeep pose is still relatively dainty
Which is the best girl to pair with Niles? Selena is too tsun~tsun~ for him and use bows too.
Charlotte is the best girl for Xander too? Any good girl for Arthur?
>>339114682
>Charlotte is the best girl for Xander too?
As much asI dislike it, pretty much. Or yourself as Femui.
>>339114447
nothing is stronger than my hate for treehouse
EXCEPT
MY BICEPS
>>339114682
Depends on if you want her using shining bow, which is perfectly viable. If so then Felicia or Nyx work well. Otherwise the answer is probably Camilla, as is with most kids.
Bow Knight or Adventurer?
>>339114682
While there are other options, having Charlotte as a stat backpack that gives great speed and attack bonuses to Xander is too good to pass up.
https://inheritance-planner.herokuapp.com/
what i use for planing works for all 3 paths
I'm playing Conquest and I'm now in the rainbow sage mission with the stairs.
Are there characters that are clearly below others that I should avoid using? I want to use Felicia, but so far she's only got whopping 8 str.
>>339114447
I'm playing the undub - are the My Room subtitles edited to reflect the Japanese dialogue? Also, are the support conversations supposed to have voice clips that play with text? Because I'm only getting the text by itself.
>>339115643
Maids are a support class above all else. They're absolutely great for softening up an enemy for a weaker unit to take the kill and have an easier time catching up. Felicia's a special case however in that she starts as a promoted class, but still has a base level of 1 with a cap of 40. This means she can get her class's skills sooner than anybody else which can become a major asset. I guess she's a magikarp of sorts.Also you're close to getting a shuriken that deals magic damage. She absolutely fucks shit up with it.
>>339115120
bow knight if you plan on re-classing into the noble classes
>>339115643
Felicia lives in a world of MAG, wait for Conquest 12 and you get the Flame Shuriken, which will allow Felicia to one-shot knights and oni savages. Her magic is insane.
Arthur, Odin, Laslow, Selena, Peri and Nyx aren't that great unless you invest heavily in them.
>>339115986
>Magic shuriken
Aww yeaah
Thanks, man.
I gotta say, Live to Serve is an interesting skill. She doesn't heal as much as Elise, but she's more safe to keep near the fighting.
>>339115643
Felicia doesn't need strength, as she's a support unit at that point. However in the next chapter you can get the Flame Shuriken, which is amazing on her as they use magic. Otherwise you may consider reclassing her later if you want.
Otherwise, Corrin, Camilla and Effie are most likely your best units so far. Azura should stay for dancing of course. Silas, Elise and your archer (Mozu or Niles). The rest are variable depending on how much luck you've had with them or if you care to bother.
>>339115912
Supports have no dialogue unless you mean the confessions, and the My Room subtitles are still the english ones. The undub only changes the audio.
>>339116087
Thanks.
I'm somewhat indifferent to all of those characters but Arthur, he's a cool guy.
>>339116054
No, they're staying what they're.
>>339116282
>Supports have no dialogue unless you mean the confessions
I could have sworn in Awakening that those short voice clips that play when a new character speaks were present in the support convos. That's what I'm referring to.
>>339116372
>Arthur's a cool guy
>>339108125
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Azura is hot garbage with absolutely no personality. Literally every other first-gen girl is a better choice.
JUST
>>339116207
For a little extra input on other units, Niles starts off incredibly good with a solid base Str and Res, but he actually has poor Str growth which means he's gonna drop off pretty bad soon. Mozu can reclass into an archer and she's absolutely amazing as one, but you still gotta play the building game to get her to a proper point. It's helpful to know that heart seals can reclass at any level so she can do this immediately after recruitment.
Odin and Nyx are your only primary magic users for now, but both of them are pretty bad in their own ways. Leo can easily replace them as soon as he comes around. Charlotte and Benny are decent units too, but they join a bit too late to be as useful as the units you've grown yourself. Charlotte's famous for being pair up fodder with her amazing offensive boosts. Selena and Lazlow aren't very good either, but RNG can still favor them enough to let them turn out great if level ups let it happen. Silas is really good, but might see the bench when Xander rolls around, Peri kind of sees the same issue unless you're cool with having multiple horse units.
Camilla's god damn amazing and don't be afraid to use her just because she's prepromoted. And you'll also meet a guy named Shura. There'll be a Volke situation where you have to make a choice regarding him, and all I'll say for now is that both decisions have benefits to them.
>>339114447
So how does skill learning work in Fates? I know in awakening you could changes classes to restart at level one to learn new skills, but in Fates you never level down. So if you switch classes at say, level six, how do you learn a level 5 move? Do you learn all previous skills on a level up?
>>339116512
The fact that he still has an H on his belt instead of an A is another reason I want treehouse dead. WTF is wrong with Harold?
>>339116491
No, you remember correctly that you'd frequently hear voice clips in Awakening's support convos,
In Fates, they added the voice flavor clips for a lot of stuff like leveling up, but weirdly they're absent from support conversations of all things..
>>339117010
Yes, you learn one skill from the class line on the next level up. So if you were a level 15 unit and you reclassed to another class line, you'd get its level 5 skill on the next level up, then the level 15 skill on the subsequent one.
>unbalanced levels of new characters
>story is canon but still stupid as hell
>maps are Birthright tier with gimmicks
>back to a typical dragon final boss
Revelation can eat a dick.
>>339117147
Thanks, senpai.
>>339117168
Can I just play Conquest and never play Revelations? Is that like the Neutral Ending of the Shin Megami Tenseis?
>>339117018
Ah, that's disappointing. Still, glad to learn it's not a problem with my undub file. Thanks.
>>339116530
Pretty sure lots of people think so. Azura might not have been so bad if it weren't for how hard the game pushes her on you + her large role in the story. But one thing that really gets me is when a game is supposed to let you choose who your character fucks yet beats you over the head with a certain choice.
>>339117006
>Misato, Asuka and Rei pose for a group photo
>>339117446
>>Misato, Asuka and Rei pose for a group photo
>>339117006
Thanks.
Also, do you guys forge much? I've only got Onyx, so I used it to make a better Iron Knife for Felicia. She does nearly passable physical damage with it.
>>339117379
Yes you can. The thing about doing that is that Revelation is the "best" end where a majority of the characters survive. So if you're okay with some character deaths in Conquest, I know not everyone is, then go for it.
>>339117603
I generally don't forge too much. I'll usually do it with whatever I have spare copies of, but that's it. You should never waste a point upgrading the smithy as anything beyond +2 weaponry is just not cost efficient, especially in Conquest. Also a fact a lot of people seem to forget when new to the game is that you can trade in five of any ore to get one fresh ore of your choosing. The ore I have the most of is what I'll typically wager in the arena.
>>339117756
Yeah, I hated all these Hoshido scums, would kill them anytime. Thanks for the advice, anon.
>>339118375
Oh and I forgot to mention if you play Revelation you find out who the true antagonist but it follows the general FE formula so you can probably guess who/what it is. And everyone proceeds to be hit with the stupid stick in that route.
>laslow was god in my first playthrough
>never gets good again
Fucking hell I really wish the retainers were a lot better in conquest.
Especially odin. When the game first came out and everyone was looking at the growths we were all blown away by how high odin's total stat growths were and thought he would be a pretty good unit
Fuck you odin
>Chapter 16 Lunatic Revelations
>Ryoma Scarlet, Hinoka, Azama and Setsuna spawn on the top left of the map.
>Ryoma actually can't take the Generals down, Scarlet can barely kill Armors
>A horse of berserkers, more generals and sorcerers closing in
HELP
>>339117006
Charlotte will never be a common fighter on your team. She's a very situational combat unit that needs to fight near a healer because of her piss poor Def and low Skl, despite hitting like a truck very quickly and critting like a madwoman. She is an outstanding pair-up bot though so she can still be used for both purposes, more for the latter.
Pieri can turn out great as none of your Cavs besides her are fast and can take magic hits. Her personal skill is fantastic near Azura and her low Skl issue is much less severe than other units and is easily alleviated by her personal + Azura. Unlike Silas she doesn't become obsolete as Xander joins your team. She just needs a Seraph Robe and Dracoshields if you don't get lucky with her Def growths.
This is my Pieri right before chapter 18.
>>339121945
I only gave her 1 Seraph Robe by the way.
>>339118803
For as dumb as the story is, it's still not as bad as Conquest as a whole. And by that I mean aside from what Azura drops on you after her brilliant plan to attack both sides. The bigger issue is the unit balance, particularly how it is Corrin and his support team until you get Godmilla and her lesbian duo.
>tfwyou liked conquest's story over birthright and revelations.
I really hated how throughout most of Conquest, Corrin just kept saying "fuck, I should have picked Birthright"
>>339122368
Same here. I find Kamui's spineless faggotry very much in-character and it's refreshing to see them actually getting shit on by saying/doing stupid out-of-line shit. I honestly think Conquest's story as a whole, despite the sudden retardedness of some parts (chapter 15 for example ugh) is more enjoyable than both of the other routes.
>>339114825
>boob plate
>long and unkempt hair in the way
I genuinely laughed out loud, this is supposed to be an armor knight?
Step the fuck back, weeb emblem, THIS is a female armor knight
>>339122691
>no armor covering her legs
>no armor over the sides of her abdomen
>head is still totally exposed
>hair is still too long
You're one to talk.
>>339122368
I liked the premise of Conquest more, the idea that you stick with your adopted family against your blood relatives was great.
The actual plot though was terrible. Corrin just whinges the entire time whilst carrying out Garon's orders. Xander is a fucking idiot. Then you get real retarded stuff like Iago and Hans trying to kill Corrin in front of the royal family and his entire army and trying to play it off.
>>339122691
That's not a female armor knight. That's garbage
>>339122904
the exposed areas are for mobility because they can reasonably be covered by the other parts and armor knights don't have horses
her hair is covered by a headband, it's not buzzcut because otherwise she wouldn't be recognizable as a woman but it's not draped over her face like the FE14 one
she doesn't wear a helmet because good guys don't wear helmets in fire emblem so you can recongize that they aren't faceless mooks, the only real exception is nephnee who needs a helmet because she uses the faceless mook class (and with her they had to give her long flowing hair from under the helmet so again, you don't forget that's a girl)
old fire emblem was not 100% realistic yes (there probably wouldn't be female armor knights at all if thats the case), but there's a difference between fantastic elements in an otherwise grounded universe and the anime as fuck overdesigned nonsense fire emblem has turned into.
Worst thing about Revelations is the fucked-up balance and terrible join levels. Effie joins at level 8 when most of the enemies are twice that on that map. If you want to use someone that isn't a Royal, prepare to grind like crazy.
>>339122691
>that
>a real knight
Haha, I'm not used to being so casual.
>>339123575
there's no high res artwork of wendy OR amelia suited out as a general, if I posted sprites in comparison to a portrait people would understandably say that's not being fair
>>339116918
I love how when we use Fighters, they die horribly, but when the AI has them, they can fuck up even Corrin, Ryoma and Xander.
>>339123349
>>339122368
>You know Azura, we could just go back into Valla and get another one of those orbs so we can show the royal family whatGaron really is on the inside
"No shut up go do like 10 chapters and suffer a bunch of deaths that could have easily been avoided"
>>339123349
>with your adopted family against your blood relatives was great.
The best part of this is that this isn't even true, and Ryoma knew it the whole time.
>>339123407
She's a front-line knight unit. She doesn't have to be super mobile. She may be more mobile but for a defensive unit she's shit with that much exposition.
Effie's really isn't much longer for what it is. The bangs in the front are longer but she also has her's in a bun, not just dangling. So really Wendy's would be easier to grab.
Not wearing any headgear still means she could be headshot by an archer. Of course this applies to Fates as well but it's more a point that it is a 'flaw' in general.
FE has always been anime. It just depends on what anime was for the time. Go back and look at some old anime from back in the 80s and there should be some obvious similarities.
>>339118375
>I hated all these Hoshido scums, would kill them anytime
I love how all of us expected Japan to go full patriotism with the Nohr/ Hoshido split, but they are all Nohrfags and it's the Westerners that went full "Nohr dindu nuffin them Japs holdin us back never forget Pearl harbor"
>>339104838
>gameplay's the best it's ever been in the series.
Why do people keep saying this? Two of the three campaigns have shit gameplay, and the one campaign that does have good gameplay only seems good when put alongside the absolute shit of the last two games. It's nothing special at all.
>>339123903
>FE has always been anime. It just depends on what anime was for the time.
it always had an anime artstyle, now it has anime tropes
the only reason it was like anime from the 80's is because there was a bunch of 80's/90's anime that was western fantasy as fuck like lodoss
there weren't ninjas and maids and ancient evil time travel plots, 90% of the game was just a bunch of "the people of this kingdom are being assholes" and then theres a big scary dragon at the end or something
>>339123349
To be fair, how many Lords were put in that position? Until now the Fire Emblem Lords are either generic and bland humble prince like Marth or Roy or Eliwood, or complete madmen that murder everything in their path and need to be told to calm down like Hector and Ike.
Hell, when Marth was told "be good or we will invade your kingdom", Marth attacked and his Kingdom was invaded. Corrin is actually trying to save as many lives as he can.
>>339108905
The cast of both games is incredibly poor.
It's hard to really describe why, but the best way I can put it is that 13/14 don't make characters act like people. They're more there for the player to enjoy. They exist to be entertaining but not to be an actual part of a living world, or to have a history or motivations of their own. That's why there's so many gimmick/anime trope characters in general. FE did always have those kinds of characters, but they were used as comic relief and were minority, and that is no longer the case. Imagine a world where every character is like L'Arachel or Serra and are treated as serious characters, because that's what FE13/14 are.
>>339123861
They really should have stuck with the original concept of blood vs upbringing
But I guess people want to fuck Sakura and Hinoka without feeling weird which sells more.
>>339124040
>and theres a big scary dragon at the end
That isn't exactly much better, and you still had people using magic and riding around on mystical beasts.
They also always had anime tropes, it's just that they weren't as pronounced because most of the characters didn't have much personality early on. I mean generally a character was defined as "Knight of Pherae" or something.
Gonna start a Revelations run soon, probably gonna marrySkyMILF
What's a good class to make Corn or the wife? I already did Hero and Swordmaster, and was feeling a mounted unit this time. I'm leaning towards Paladin, Bow Knight, or Master of Arms. After that, what's a good boon for that class? I know luck is basically the best bad stat so I'll probably just do that.
>>339124169
>complete madmen that murder everything in their path and need to be told to calm down like Hector and Ike.
Both of them are still massive moralfags and Ike is probably one of the most noble minded characters in the series. None of the lords are particularly aggressive. Hector is about as bad as it gets and even then he usually tries to talk things out or avoid fighting good people.
>>339124319
the difference is that in older games the fantasy stuff was just spice for the medevial intrigue stuff and the characters themselves didn't matter so much compared to the events, it has a more epic feeling and it also doesn't waste as much time
in nu fire emblem every character is Very Important And Interesting and because of that every character needs to be kicked into overdrive to stand out, leading to the stupid shit >>339124175 outlines
>>339124169
Did you even play Path of Radiance? Ike wasn't a madman at all. He's compulsive about manners when dealing with nobility, but he rarely needs to be told to calm down. Pic related's the only time it really happens and it was arguably justified on his part.
>>339123903
>FE has always been anime. It just depends on what anime was for the time. Go back and look at some old anime from back in the 80s and there should be some obvious similarities.
FE characters were not walking tropes with zero depth to them like modern 'anime' FE. Virtually no characters were created solely to pander and shit like the face touching would have been unthinkable. Just think about implementing that in FE4 or 7 for example. It would be utterly ridiculous because of the way the characters are. However, the characters in modern FE it isn't ridiculous, because they are made in that kind of ridiculous pandering way where they exist to be a trope rather than anything else. That's why people complain about modern FE characters. They don't even try anymore.
>>339124169
Hector and Ike are pretty brutal but not madmen. If you get in their way like that guard in the chapter Hector joins then they cut you down.
Corrin just cries about why he has to fight people in a war and why he can't just bonk them on the head.
>>339124467
I just wanna say before anyone gives me shit that I mean Epic in its proper, pre internet meaning of grand in scale
Can I just skip path of radiance and play radiance dawn? PoR seems too slow and boring.
Also, do not fall for the Gaiden is good meme. Play Thracia and you'll know Gaiden is trash.
>>339124686
Radiant Dawn is a direct sequel so if you want to miss the preceeding story and some prior plotlines that get brought up in RD, sure?
>>339124467
That's because in general the games have become more character-focused, probably something that came about starting from FE4. The characters in 1-3 were extremely simple, so whether that's better or worse than being 'gimmicky' is pretty debatable imo.
>>339124557
No, instead, as I mentioned above, they were flat personalities that were only memorable due to nostalgia. I mean since you mentioned FE7, I'd like to point out that this is the definitive example of nostalgia. Take Kent for example, who has about as much personality as a dry wall. And honestly, comparing Sain to Laslow in FE14 really doesn't make Sain look that good when you take off the nostalgia goggles.
Of course there are other examples but ultimately the character 'quality' has always varied in FE, and usually goes between either 'wacky anime archetype' or 'generic character'.
>>339124686
Path of Radiance is the best in regards to everything but animations. I just turn combat animations off to keep maps more streamlined since it's not like combat even shows any stats to add suspense or confidence anyways.
I guess you could probably play RD first, but you'd be missing a lot of little things, and Path of Radiance is generally a better game to begin with.
>>339104838
>but gameplay's the best it's ever been in the series.
>>339124932
That's wierd. I heard people prefer RD's gameplay because PoR is too easy and slow.
>>339124686
PoR is a better game
RD has marginally better combat in some areas but drops the ball HARD in every other way. Most new things it brings in are badly designed, it butchers most of the returning characters, the story is full retard, it flat out removes mechanics from the previous games, they even somehow made Laguz worse
At least the music is good
>>339117516
>comparing Shitvera to the angel known as Asuka
>>339115120
If you really like your Shining Bow and enjoy the idea of being a dual magic/physical attacker, go Adventuring. If you like being more mobile (sometimes), physically-based, and abusing your Yato and Sunset Katanas, then Bow Knight.
Personally, for my Archer route I went Alchemist into Mechanist, sidegraded to Sniper when my Strength capped too high for Mechanist, and eventually got the Ballistician Lens when it came out.
>>339115120
>You're still in the shitty foot fetish costume for your portrait no matter what you do
They could fix this for FE12, why the fuck couldn't they give you a basic bodyswap if you're a fucking cavalier or something
>>339124864
>That's because in general the games have become more character-focused,
And those characters are terrible anime cliches, yes.
That's what I've been saying.
All your points responding to the other guy about how the old characters had flat personalities shows just how much you're missing the point. People don't need lots and lots of words to grow attached to a character, especially not one where he's literally replaceable like fire emblem. It's a SRPG, not a visual novel. They were given personalities at all to give a bit of spice to your pawns in the proverbial chess board, so that instead of going "cavlier really did well with that clutch crit" it instead becomes "SAIN really did well with that clutch crit", on top of introducing a bunch of mechanics that actually effect the gameplay like supports, unique stat growths and specific recruitment triggers
What gameplay benefit does face touching have, or DLC swimsuit episodes that can't easily be replaced by something that isn't so obviously titillating? There's nothing wrong with sexualization, but to shove it into a series that was very much not that kind of thing just reeks.
>>339125060
It has better mechanics and map designs by themself, but they're fucked by limited unit availability and starting levels almost as bad as what Revelation had. The plot goes pretty retarded in the later half too and characters aren't nearly as fleshed out as what Path of Radiance pulled off, so continuing the game feels less satisfying than it should. Micaiah's not quite Corrin levels of bad, but she is pretty insufferable all the same. Only thing saving her is that she's good looking and she doesn't ruin the entire game thanks to not being the main character the whole way through.
>>339125309
I never said anything about facetouching or swimsuit episodes. You are the one bringing that up because it upsets you or something. I was just talking about the character personalities.
You might prefer characters to have flat personalities but lots of people like colorful personalities. Again, that's one of the things people have liked about FE for a long time. And I'm not saying all of the older FE characters didn't have personalities but I do find that people let nostalgia and their hatred for 'anime' cloud their judgement.
But if I'm still missing the point let me know, because from the way you talk the point is "I liked it better when the characters didn't talk so much!"
>>339125128
Severa has more positive traits than fucking Asuka
>>339125724
Fate Severa is pretty cute. Asuka can die in a fucking trash.
>>339124975
>unironically thinking that conquest doesn't have the best maps and gameplay of fire emblem save for maybe thracia
Kill yourself
I wish they would make a smaller group of characters in the next game and really flesh them out instead of giving us a ton of characters who are all entirely one dimensional. I don't think I felt particularly attached to any character in Fates, and the supports overall were pretty dull.
>>339126275
meanwhile the balance is shit because it's still Royals: The Game
>>339125724
It's okay to admit you didn't understand Evangelion, anon.
>>339126692
Hello Moot.
>>339124497
Ike was just a badass through and through.
>>339126636
Balance has never been any good in fire emblem. Certain units have always been better than others
At least elise and leo have faults. Hell, even marx's res and camilla's hp are a bit shabby
Should I buy Birthright or Conquest?
>>339128865
If you want more Awakening, buy Birthright.
If you want maps that better designed, actually make clever use of enemy skills and a game that is overall more challenging, Conquest.
If you plan on buy both, start with Birthright, because going back to it or Revelations is pretty hard after letting Conquest show you what could be done with the game mechanics and map design.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ANNA DLC DAMMIT?!
>>339112775
Effie is better in the dub.
>>339129750
Don't you dare.
>>339129750
I will fight you.
>>339126692
It's okay to like both Asuka and Severa. They're both good characters with depth to who they are as people.
>>339111980
>The royal kid sucks, especially xander
this has to be fucking bait
>>339129750
I'll fight you!
>>339129750
And so is Camilla right?
>>339131321
I don't think there's a person alive that would claim such a thing.
>>339131360
But apparently there's one who claims that Effie is better. And her voice is fucked up more by the dub than Camilla. The latter sounds like a failed attempt at being sultry and sexy while Effie just sounds like a fucking she-hulk on steroids.
>>339131321
>>339131360
The problem with that comparison is that Camilla is Sawashiro in Japan. There are few dub actresses I can even think of that'd compare to her range.
>>339131494
>>339131618
They both arguably got shit on harder than anyone else in the localization. That combined with Azura's preferential treatment made it pretty obvious that some characters were favored over others.
>>339129750
I'LL SPOT YOU
Memes aside, she was my mvp in conquest. She held the line in Han's room with keaton against 4 enemies, 2 had hammers.
>>339124175
and amazingly, the dub managed to take some of the characters and make them even worse.
unless you REALLY like pickles.
>>339131706
But I'm not saying Effie or Camilla got shat on, far from it. There ARE badly read lines, but that goes for nearly every character in Fates' dub, and I still appreciate the voice work, since I imagine a lot of these VAs dealt with a shit director, and probably weren't given too much material on the character they had to read on. For all those problems, the fact that these voice actors can get me to enjoy certain characters? Pleases me greatly.
While dub Camilla is NEVER going to have the raw talent Sawashiro has, Paula Tiso still hits the key factors of Camilla - She's sultry, a tease, and... Her sexiness can lean on the unhinged and creepy side, and the fact that she talks as if she's babying whoever she meets is NOT supposed to sound hot, rather, there is a tinge of uncanny valley, how Camilla pays particular attention to Corrin, and is happy to kill for him, or even go to a hot springs with him.
This is similar to Effie, where, while her My Room quotes may make you assume she's simply STRONK WOMAN, she still has a gentle vibe to her. She's driven to train, sure, but she also devotes her life to Elise. She even mentions she's practically married to the princess!
Though as I said, I lean very hard on the dub-defending side, as I'd rather support the effort of dubbing a game at all, versus just shipping it without a voice dub.
>>339131618
Even not taking Sawashiro into account they still could have done much better. It's like they literally gave her the worst VA they could find.
>>339132160
Paula Tiso voiced Final Fantasy X's Lulu, No More Heroes' Sylvia, Wonderful 101's Vijounne...
I'm pretty sure she isn't a bad VA at all.
>>339132152
See the problem here is that these characters weren't supposed to be like this at all. Camilla was supposed to be, y'know, attractive to some degree. Your argument sounds like "You aren't supposed to like Camilla, so it's ok for her to have a bad voice!"
And Effie could pass for a man half of the time. For reference, the 'gentle' vibe is due to her animations being unchanged, as those were in the original version and fit with her original characterization.
>>339132160
>>339132296
They probably told her to not try too hard because they don't want anyone to outshine dancina. Before fates came out, /v/ loved camilla. Now is mostly GRANNY VOICE LOL.
Still didn't stop me from marrying her, because she's still a monstrous unit and made my Kana cute and somewhat useable
>>339132296
She also did Fuuka in P3. And they didn't bring her back to reprise that role later on. If she isn't a bad VA then she sure did a terrible job here.
>>339132532
Yeah they really managed to kill any popularity she might have had. The only thing that salvages her is that most people are aware of her original VA.
REMEMBER WHEN FIRE EMBLEM HAD GOOD, BASED ART AND WAS NON-ANIME AND REALISTIC? WHY DID NINTENDO RUIN IT WITH ANIME AND SAMEFACE?
>>339132532
Purple!Kanna is adorable. Also she gives Kanna that extra boost in Def that they desperately need.
I played the undub so her voice was Sawashiro's. The things she said translated isn't though and that still makes me mad. I don't like playing unfinished games plus I have some hacks installed so the fanslation isn't an option, sadly.
I plan to marry Flora in my next run of Conquest though (already married Camilla both times). How good is she for Kanna and how can I utilize her both as a fighter and staffer?
>>339124175
You put that really well. I think another thing is that these trope personalities are cranked up much higher in 13/14. Like L'Arachel is an ojou-sama but it was never overbearing. Maribelle on the other hand is an ojou-sama cranked up to 11. She's not fun like L'Arachel who in addition to acting haughty, would also act goofy or romanticize how her and her retainers were traveling heroes.
>>339132376
With Camilla, I meant that at a glance, she seems like she's a sexy woman, but if you pull the layers back, you could tell she's a bit off, to say the least. She obviously isn't unattractive to her core, but I doubt she's intentionally designed to be completely sexy. The theme with Nohr, in my eyes, is how not everything is how it seems. While there are assholes like Iago and Hans, there's Elise, who's basically as pure a princess as they come, or Xander, who fights KNOWING his dad's wishes are wrong, but keeps hanging on to the hope that, if he continues to be his dad's sword, his dad will return to the kind person he used to be.
So to bring it back to my original point, of course Camilla is hot. But that isn't all she is, she has problems, and the fact that Tiso is trying to display that, is a good thing.
Effie's character, as far as I'm aware, has changed very little. As I said, her My Room quotes would make you assume she is completely different, but her dialogue in her supports show her as both being strong, and willing to support others. I'm aware even in the game, a lot of her lines relate to training and eating, but... She's still a shield for not only Elise, but her friends too. I feel that Effie's character derailment is exaggerated.
>>339132887
Well obviously Camilla is flawed. Her support with Niles makes it painfully obvious that she's pretty traumatized. I'm not saying that she can't be anything more than hot. But I am saying that she's not supposed to be completely awful and unlikable in every way, which is what the localization, mainly because of Tiso, seems to be trying to convey.
As for Effie, no she has changed quite a bit. While her supports are generally the same, for instance, the way she speaks is quite different. She's no longer soft-spoken or airheaded, but instead is kind of gruff and confrontational. And that is particularly jarring because it doesn't match her portrait at all.
>>339125128
Awakening Severa and Asuka both belong together as the worst girls in their respective game/anime.
You'd be better off fucking a cactus raw.
>>339132695
You also need to keep in mind that the Persona games have had difficulties when it comes to the dub. Recent examples are how Troy Baker and Laura Bailey are too busy to voice Kanji/Rise in later spin-offs of Persona 4. The fact that Paula Tiso wasn't cast to voice Fuuka could very well be her being unable to voice her.
>>339132821
L'Arachel and Maribelle aren't better than one another... They're both ojous, but they hit at different points. I can't defend L'Arachel too well, as it's been years since I've played FE8, but with Maribelle, while she may be haughty and a bit of a snob, she obviously has people she cares about (Lissa), and she has her own driven goals. She wants to be a noble for the people, as I believe her support with Libra shows. She's even a tease, wanting to get Lon'qu to a brothel to help him overcome his woman problems.
>>339110776
He is literally perfect.
>>339110776
YOU'RE RIGHT WHERE I WANT YOU
>>339124175
Maybe if they didn't make two games' worth of characters and several more games' worth of supports, the characters in Fates would be better.
>>339124175
>Imagine a world where every character is like L'Arachel or Serra and are treated as serious characters
Kind of ironic then, since they are two of the most popular characters from those games.
