Mark Kern's meeting with Blizzard is today. Their discussion will be under NDA but Kern will get some sort of official statement that he can announce.
So now that Vanilla servers are basically guaranteed to happen, what race/class/spec are you going to roll? Favorite zone/city? Favorite dungeon/raid?
Blizzard referencing Vanilla on their fb page.
>>338938717
>>338938879
>implying /v/ will pay for legit servers
Trolling aside it is good news i do hope the new server will be everything we hope.
>mfw vanilla servers are happening
Part of me wants legacy serves to flop hard to see all the damage control.
Vanilla fags are just as bad as Nu-WoW fags holy shit.
>>338939837
>vanilla servers
>but you have to buy all expansions to play on them
>and you still have to pay the same monthly fee for subscription
All smiles.
People who buy Legion are basic bitches. Vanilla servers or bust.
>>338940076
Vanilla servers will require Legion, if they are ever introduced.
>>338939936
Me personally, I have no problem with paying a sub fee and staying up to date with expansions for these servers. It's nice to see the goalposts shifted from 't-they're never gonna happen!' to 'y-you'll have to pay for them!' though. Shitposters are in full backpedaling damage control mode atm.
>>338939936
If anyone on here expects this to be free they are mental.
>>338940076
Say that till a mage PoM/Pyros you in the back in STV cause thats what i am going to be doing vanilla was the king of ganking
>>338940159
That would be incredibly jewish. Perfect for Blizzard. Won't fall for it.
>>338939936
I'd do it. Vanilla servers are worth every dime.
>>338940316
>I want to buy another shit expansion just to not play it and play vanilla
Nostalrious was free, so is Kronos. No fucking excuse for this.
>>338940269
Why? you demand vanilla servers bliz says ok but you have to buy Legion fairs fair in my book.
Servers cost money unless you want a laggy server that crashes every 5 mins.
>>338940412
Nostalrius and Kronos have been/will be shut down. Nobody wants to risk 100 days of /played on that shit.
Blizzard will "fix" leveling on retail servers, that's all that will happen. There's no chance of vanilla servers happening.
>>338940425
Why the fuck would I buy an expansion I won't play just to play something I played for free? Blizzard will be like "This is the biggest most popular expansion ever!" and all the Legion servers will be ghost towns and everybody will just be playing vanilla.
It's maximum kikery and people defending it are berniecucks.
>paying to do raids easier than WoD LFR
>paying to play a buggy version of a game
>paying to spam 1 button for 3 hours for 2 pieces of loot for 40 people
>paying to afk in orgrimmar or ironforge
>paying to not being able to having horde and alliance characters in same realm
>paying for games
the thing about vanilla is that every zone was full of people,every server was a bigass community, even if they happen now, it wont be the same.. then faggets will start complaining they want teleports and mounts are too expensive, and gameplay is soo slow, etc
>>338940640
>for free
look up what it takes to maintain a server in todays market. But you wont do that because your just a twat who demands shit for free.
You just admitted to being a bigger kike than blizzard.
>>338940256
>free
nah
the thing is, we already bought world of warcraft. and we were subbed to it for a long time.
paying a subscription fee was fine - after all, they regularly updated the game with new content and updated mechanics.
but expecting me to buy heaps of shitty expansions that i don't want to play? expecting me to pay the full subscription fee even though they're not updating the game anymore? no thanks.
there's literally no reason why they shouldn't let people host and run vanilla servers like valve lets people host and run css servers and like mojang lets people host and run minecraft servers.
>>338940627
>T-t-there's n-no chance of v-v-vanilla s-servers h-happening!!
>>338938717
I still want those pristine servers as well. I'm morbidly curious as to how the content since Cata plays without all the bullshit QoL changes since mid Wrath.
>>338940938
A bunch of frogs did it. You saying Blizzard is too broke to do it? Retard.
vanilla was a lot more fun to dick about in than current WoW but for raiding and shit, na.
why can't blizzard just let private servers operate?
nearly all multiplayer games did it, and many still do.
and dont even start that "muh intellectual property!" crap. you don't see epic games bitch about 'losing their IP' because people run their own UT2004 servers either.
>>338939908
Legion is the best selling WoW expansion to date. Legacy server player numbers? We can't disclose that at this time.
>>338938717
>So now that Vanilla servers are basically guaranteed to happen, what race/class/spec are you going to roll? Favorite zone/city? Favorite dungeon/raid?
Hol' up shill-kun
I'll roll a 360°and walk away if its not
>untouched old patches
>with different realms for different progress stages (say, 2-3 stages for an expansion)
>ability to migrate upwards but not down through these realms
I expect and can deal with some side jewery, like these migrations forward ofcourse costing money and having to pay the full sub for playing 10 year old content - but if the game/realm/gameplay is compromised then nothing changes, no t playing.
>>338939908
Honestly the number of legacy players will be low
Problem for them is that the live player numbers are also low, since they don't really do damage control for live, just jew harder - you can guess what they will do for legacy too.
>>338941059
Nos are not a public traded company with people to answer to blizzard is. A fan project has no acountabilty to sharholders this does. Also i think you are the retard here as i live in the real world where shit costs money so this givsmedat free server don't work here.
Never ever vanillacuck
![t1Hfpv8[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yyKywJN.png "t1Hfpv8[1].png")
>>338941282
>the helm is really heavy
>i'm sweating under all this armor
>my feet hurt
>>338941263
It's not that simple for an MMO you fucking retard.
A simple FPS like UT2k4 can have people host servers since you just need a server hosting the game and clients.
MMO's are extremely more complex than a simple server/clients relationship.
Not to mention WoW is a pay to play MMO.
>>338941585
Didn't actiblizz literally buy themselves technically being indie now?
Vanilla was a far inferior game to TBC.
The only people who will disagree with this statement are edgelords.
>servers won't be super high pop
people thought nost was annoying but besides inflation from there not being enough mine/herbs to go around i don't think i can play any other way. world pvp was literally in every corner of every zone.
http://worldpvpsucks.ytmnd.com/
>Nost team arrested and sent to blacksites outside of the US
>Kern raped by a prosthetic orc dildo wearing Metzen
Book it
A lot of people act like you can only have it one way, but stop and realize that people can still play current wow and then log off and play on a legacy realm when there's nothing to fucking do in Legion. And you know there will inevitably be nothing to fucking do in Legion at some point. Legacy servers could potentially retain sub numbers between content patches. It's not something to roll ones eyes at. That's a lot of fucking money being left on the table.
>>338941774
>muh illidan is crazy and alive
fucking arthas raped that faggot in TFT, also outlands has the worst zones ever
>>338941746
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard
Says nothing there about that, i would go dig deeper but i am not in the mood right now.
>>338941774
TBC was Edge: the Expansion.
>>338941774
I'm a TBC fag anon and while TBC hit the golden road between extremely clunky make-no-sense mess and extremely streamlined, dumbed down shit - classic gets on par with TBC because it was a new experience, the first world of warcraft, and that meant a LOT for the people coming from WC3 - as opposed to space-goat-paladins, edgelord shit looking belves and quite a few other, mostly lore related thing that TBC mishandled terribly.
>>338938717
Mark, please stop posting on 4chan and get back to work.
>>338942025
Actually its right there
>Split from Vivendi and growth (2013–14)
>At the conclusion of the deal, Vivendi was no longer Activision Blizzard's parent company,[34] and Activision Blizzard became an independent company as a majority of the shares became owned by the public.
>>338942001
Bitch please, Nagrand
>>338941743
>It's not that simple for an MMO
simple enough for hundreds of private server teams to do it, even WITHOUT using the actual server software.
blizzard could simply release the server software and be done with it. people would set up their own servers and play how they want to play, no more investment or effort or support from blizzard required. you know, like people are playing gorillions of other games.
>b-but it's an mmo
so it needs long-term stable servers that have higher player capacity than most other games. big deal. again - people are already successfully dealing with this, even though they're severely handicapped and restricted by having to work with shitty emulation software instead of the real thing.
>they'll just arrest him on sight
>everyone saying that servers are def gonna happen
>not realising that blizz is just going to hire them on as staff so that they'll shut up about old servers and spew pro-blizz stuff
>classic trick- hire the dissenters that do your job better than you to get them to stop dissenting and improve your business
Vanillafags totally going to get shit on, just you wait
>>338942189
>as a majority of the shares became owned by the public
At least read what it says they still have fucking shareholders
Friendly Reminder, whether Vanilla or retail, to purge Forsaken. That is all.
>>338942189
Btw man this wikipage is one extremely depressing look into gaming today
>On November 5, 2013, the company released Call of Duty: Ghosts, which was written by screenwriter Stephen Gaghan.
>>338942348
Which part of the quoted sentence do you have trouble understanding?
>>338942065
It was self deprecating edge, though. "You are not prepared" was instant meme material.
>>338942496
You are not prepared was a legit meme though, considering how much justified use you could get out of that line while raiding, you really couldn't help but use it when...people were not prepared
>>338942205
Tons of those private servers are usually buggy as shit you do know this right?
Even than Nost wasn't 100 percent straight vanilla according to alot of nostalgiafags here.
Also the costs of hosting a server to house that many players is immense.
Nost was gonna fail even without Blizzard intervening since they couldn't pay the server costs since not enough people were donating.
There is a reason why MMO's are all WoW clones nowadays. They all cost a shit ton of money to develop and support so devs are gonna play it super safe.
>>338942481
The fact that they still answer to the fucking public shareholders? You have linked nothing that refutes that point now you are just fishing for an argument win go fuck yourself faggot.
Fuck vanilla.
BC, or wotlk.
>>338938717
I started in late BC, and have never bothered with private servers. If an official vanilla server does come out I'd happily try it. I'd probably make a Gnome Warrior for Alliance or a Troll Warrior for Horde. I'd def be a warrior though, because I love tanking in MMOs.
>>338942730
BC is shit, when will people realize this?
>>338942576
>Also the costs of hosting a server to house that many players is immense
~$500/month is an immense cost now
>>338942669
>he thinks thats the same as being owned by a board of directors
When you learn to read, and then read that wikipage you can see the mistake the write made, with actiblizz+kotick+Kelly owning more than half the company they can do whatever the fuck they want really.
>>338942785
Bc was great.
You're just jaded, nobody. With shite for an opinion.
>Movie is a bust
>Legion will flop due to negative publicity and all around shit expansion for a 12 year old game nobody cares about anymore
This is the year Blizzard dies.
What's the point. It won't have the same sense of nostalgia and exploration as original vanilla. It'll be the same content you've seen before. I just don't get why people care this much. Chasing something that'll never be as good a the original
I can't tell which side is more delusional
>>338943042
It was a lot of fun on Nostalrius. Not being a teenage shitter during the experience this time around made it better in a lot of ways.
>>338942785
>Actual class/spec balance that literally didn't revolve around every class being pigeon holed into a spec to be viable. You could actually play a ret paladin in PvE and not get kicked.
>Actual raid/dungeon mechanics. If you seriously think Vanilla WoW bosses were hard you need to unfuse the nostalgia googles of your skull.
>Rated PvP and PvP rewards. No matter what you think about Arenas, a huge portion of the playerbase literally logs in to just play Arenas.
>>338942860
So you are saying that because the bosses "own" it they wont charge you for vanilla servers? what are you fucking smoking Fact is you got caught out as a kike who wont part with money and as i said before you are fishing for an argument win. Good day sir
>>338942921
>Overwatch sells millions thanks to waifus,porn, and super casual gameplay normies love.
Naw brah Blizz expected this.
>>338943282
I never said anything even remotely close to that, my first post in this convo was about the buyout.
Which is indeed to say that they can do what they want and don't really answer to any board with power over them.
Which is exactly why they have gone off the jew-deep end, Vivendi literally held them back.
>>338942576
3 (THREE) guys managed to do it without donations for almost a year
>>338942921
>Overwatch just came out
>Hearthstone still printing money
Nah, it's more like WoW isn't Blizzards biggest cash cow anymore.
>>338943378
>>338943561
You mean Evolve 2.0? It's already dying.
>>338943831
You are seriously mentally handicapped if you think Overwatch is already dying.
>>338943831
It still probably made more on loot boxes alone than what Evolve did in its entire carrer + the next 5 years.
>>338943957
you're right, he's wrong. overwatch was dead on arrival
One thing i am getting from this thread is if they did implement vanilla servers why not just have both vanilla and Legion toons? I know you are all for the "legion sucks" argument but why not just have both for a laugh? does it have to be one or the other?
>>338944134
>game is literally being televised on national television in foreign countries.
>It's dead on arrival.
I'm not even a blizzdrone. But, you are seriously living under a rock if you don't think this game isn't a commercial success.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOWR6hTwNFs
>>338944374
most people memeing about vanilla wouldn't really buy all the expansions and pay the monthly fee to play
blizzard is getting trolled hard, and all their work setting this up will result in ~1000 people playing.
>>338944737
this tbqh
>mfw legacy servers get 5 million subscribers
>mfw they legitimately kill retail WoW
>mfw all along the WoW killer was WoW itself, just repeating itself in an infinite loop
>>338942576
literally NONE of that would be blizzards problem if they released their server and let other people run it as they see fit.
>BUT ITS EXPENSIVE
private servers have been around nearly as long as the game itself, and they always found a way to deal with the costs. nost wasnt the first and nost hasnt been the last.
also, this might be a surprise to you, but hosting a server for a 10 year old game doesnt actually take THAT much processing power and memory, nor does it take abnormally huge amounts of bandwidth. this stuff was literally developed and run on 15 year old tech - nowadays this shit runs on toasters.
>>338944957
>mfw less than 50k people join vanilla servers
>mfw chinese gold farmers migrate there and ruin the economy
>mfw almost everyone quits after the first three months because nostalgia isnt enough to keep paying
>mfw you think you want it, but you dont
>>338944957
how will legacy servers get 5 million subscribers if there are only 4 million people in the world?
>>338945308
Bots.
>>338945293
>mfw retail Vanilla had 8 million subscribers paying full price for the game and the sub
>mfw 150k people and growing were actively playing on a buggy piece of shit private server
>mfw these people were playing on nostalrius for over a year eagerly awaiting the AQ update
>mfw he thinks there won't be deathsquads of chinkhunters there for the exclusive purpose of driving away the slants and preserving the pristine american WoW economy
>>338938717
>they release vanilla servers
>but add on all the fucking awful shit like lfr and lfg
you know it will happen
>>338939936
>Buy all expansions
What? Vanilla + every expansion is in a single package that goes on sale for like ten bucks.
>>338945934
>they will change vanilla zones back to the vanilla look
>>338945293
>>338945621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6jy7sHyPYI
Doesn't legacy server mean legacy software with bugs, security vulnerabilities and having only support for legacy server hardware?
>>338945934
IF they make LFG limited to only the sever, I might be ok with it.
>>338946210it would be cross server
>>338941282
STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM.
>>338945293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjCp8Nkdtq4
Why don't people realize the only reason people want legacy servers of MMOs is to try and capture the same feeling the community had way back then?
It's the same shit for people clamoring for a pre-Big Bang Maplestory server.Protip, you can't actually recreate those communities
>>338946608
>find every node with mathematics
Dumb nigga poster.
>>338946796
This shit doesn't hold up anymore post-nost.
Not that it ever did, but now you have no excuse for trying to push this garbage.
I have a legit question. What do people like about Vanilla so much? No trolling, I'm really curious. Having played off and on since the end of 2004 clearing every raid tier I'm puzzled. Is the community aspect the quantifying reason for Vanilla be heralded so much? Do people really expect all toxic players to avoid vanilla? That Vanilla servers will somehow be a utopia where all the players are like minded and glorious? I feel like peoples bubbles will be busted when they find out not only has the game changed but people have changed as well.
>>338947258
Nost was also a free server with tons of huehue's and other third world poorfags.
>>338938717
>>338939837
>>338940316
>>338940985
>Vanilla servers are happening.
How many times is /v/ going to say this and be wrong?
>Blizzard confirms for the third time after the Nostalrius shutdown that legacy won't happen
>facebook PR post
>PR meeting with Kern, who, for some reason, inserts himself into every internet drama in existence
Yeah that sure looks like a confirmation to me
>>338947258
Nost was also free.
Notice how Maplestory is free and MapleRoyals, the biggest pre-Big Bang private server still has an absolutely puny community?
Nost had such a "large" community strictly because it was free.
>>338947545
>googled "Kern, who, for some reason, inserts himself into every internet drama in existence"
>got this result
>had a laugh
Now post a screencap of that PR facebook thing.
>>338947707
I still believe the whole huge Nost population thing is fabricated and nothing more than a vocal minority inflating numbers and waving around their dick like they matter.
>>338947545
>Blizzard confirms for the third time after the Nostalrius shutdown that legacy won't happen
Where did they do that?
>>338947512
Until /v/ is right.
>>338947753
Fuck, forgot my image. Anyway, this is what show sup, a post later in this thread.
I don't see any facebook posts though.
>>338938717
Even if, why would anyone want to play Vanilla again? Fuck that. I've spent so much time raiding back then and knew every single thing about the game. There's no way for a Vanilla server to hold the player attention anymore. All I can see is them fucking around for a week, a moth at most and then leaving once they remember just how bad Vanilla is compared to WoW at any single point after. They will stagnate very quickly.
>>338947908
/v/ thought overwatch was gonna flop until they pulled down their pants to tracer fan art.
Screenshot this post. Legacy servers in the strict idea of being like private servers with locked content WILL NEVER HAPPEN. If they do I'll buy everyone who posted this proving I was wrong a month of sub time for their legacy servers.
>>338948039
Nostalgia is one hella of a drug Anon.
>>338948125
We should agree on some time of the day when you will be browsing, so I can be sure to catch you for my free month.
>>338948164
Which is why I said I give them time to remember why Vanilla is over. It's been done to death. The old times will never come back, times when you and the playerbase was younger and you played the freshest version of the game available.
>>338948224
Noon -2 EDT
Blizzard literally nerfed the lvling speed two days ago because of "muh vanilla was le hard".
No meme servers for you.
They'll fuck it up.
Too much pride not to.
>>338948386
>Implying nostalgia is the only thing that makes Vanilla better than the expansions
>Implying you can't do in Vanilla all the shit you currently do in WoD
I'd love legacy-style servers with the new classes and races (except maybe Demon Hunter and Death Knight.) Monk is so much fun but given Vanilla-styled balancing, I'd just be a Mistweaver and run out of mana in like three seconds.
>>338948665
Vanilla is a pure downgrade from every single expansion that came after it. I really don't see how is that even up for discussion. Maybe because I actually played WoW since the original beta and before Cata came, I had the old world fucking burned into my mind.
It relied hard on the playerbase making it interesting. If not for the people, I would be done with WoW way before the first expansion came. Which is also why any possible Vanilla servers are doomed to fail quickly.
>>338938717
>So now that Vanilla servers are basically guaranteed to happen
Sweet!
I can tell from the OP post that you are a hired shill.
And if a hired shill says "Vanilla is going to happen, what are you going to play?" then Vanilla is going to happen.
class/spec is Protection Warrior.
Not sure what race.
Best city Ironforge.
Best dungeon Gnomeregan, because you can skip 90% of it by just jumping off things and abusing pathing.
>>338949136
>Vanilla is a pure downgrade from every single expansion that came after it
>Which is also why any possible Vanilla servers are doomed to fail quickly
>>338942287
blizzcuck have become /x/ tier, all the tinfoil since this thing started has been glorious.
>>338949285
You think you want it.
But you don't.
Trust me.
Not even being ironic, you will get bored, depressed, and quit within three months, even if everything is perfect (it wont be).
>>338949136
>Vanilla is a pure downgrade from every single expansion that came after it
>>338949353
I played on Nostalrius for over a year retard.
>>338948665
Modern WoW:
>Roll a druid
>Have 4 different roles I can play as
>All my specs are viable in Pve/Pvp
>Game doesn't pigeon holed into any spec
>All the specs aren't niche specs either with one function and actually do thier job well.
Overrated as fuck Vanilla WoW:
>Roll a druid
>All the specs are dogshit in endgame save Resto Druids
>even then you literally are a mana battery for the actual good healers, priests.
>Bear tanks are inferior to Warrios
>Kitty Kat dps is garbage compared to a rogue
>lol balance
Can't wait brah.
>>338949506
>>338949542
Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
>>338949285
>less content, just the same shit endlessly
>people being tired of doing the same things
>tons of potential players being the same as me and are not going back to do shit they did hundreds of times
>new players just getting tired and the guilds having problems of getting enough people for 40 man raids
Gee, I wonder. No wonder you're a dumb frogposter.
>>338949542
Modern WoW:
>Instantly hit level 100
>Zero content worth doing
>Servers are completely dead
>Log off and never return
Vanilla WoW:
>Leveling is a journey
>1000s of hours of content worth doing
>People are everywhere, make tons of friends/acquaintances
>Have a lot of fun and enjoy it
>>338941872
Lok'tar Ogar!
>>338939936
The expansions are all combined these days and are dirt cheap, if not, the old ones are free. That said, I'd gladly pay Blizz for legacy servers.
>>338949690
Modern WoW:
>Instantly hit level 100
>Zero content worth doing
>Servers are completely dead
>Log off and never return
Vanilla WoW:
>Instantly hit level 60
>Zero content worth doing
>Servers are completely dead
>Log off and never return
>>338949212
>>338938717
Oh, one thing.
For the love of <b><size=72><marquee><blink><u>FUCK</u></blink></marquee></size></b> , don't put in the Retard Finder (looking for dungeon / looking for raid finder)
>>338949804
>Vanilla WoW:
>>Instantly hit level 60
>>338949542
No one said anything about balance. Imo, the fact that none of the classes are good in every role is pretty nice.
Play shooters or something if you want balance. The fact is that all the classes were played, and had their roles, in Vanilla.
>>338949865
Leveling was never hard. It was just a grind in vanilla WoW. That's it.
>>338949962
So was it a grind or did it happen instantly? Pick one retailcuck.
I'm hoping there will be RP legacy servers. I want to do Horde RP before blood elves ruined it.
>>338949865
Lets check the vanilla server currently played by your Nostalrious refugees group...
>Q: Do you transfer characters from other servers?
>A: No, we do not, but you can use our character auction containing characters properly leveled up by TwinStar players. These characters can be purchased for Stars available through the DONATE system. By purchasing the Stars you also financially support the server.
Yep, you buy a level 60.
>>338938717
>Blizz announces legacy servers
>go online sometime after Legion
>Legion hype dies before first major patch because lol class order hallisons
>legacy servers take off and get insanely popular
>legacy Orgrimmar and Stormwind has more players logged in then Legion's Dalaran
>Legion is the last expansion
>Blizz milks legacy for all its worth
>>338949621
Vanilla has more PvE encounters than WoD.
World PvP is (objectively) better than arenas, so we can safely say that PvP in Vanilla is also better.
There are plenty of things to farm, so there are your timesinks.
Now, when you also include all the socialising that was inherent to the game in Vanilla, you simply cannot say that WoD is better at anything.
>>338950215
You got me. A private Vanilla server offers character boosts. Vanilla was therefore shit.
>>338949865
The time it took people to get 60 is way overstated by people that didn't know what they were doing. Plenty of people that knew the game through beta and shit leveled very quickly.
Not to mention the fact that leveling was fucking shit. Quests were literally all go kill x, or go kill x to get me 10 of y which has like a 1% drop rate.
It is where MMOs and questings bad reputation built from.
>>338950076
I love how you assume I actually play retail WoW when I mock your precious vanilla WoW.
Anyway it was a grind but it wasn't hard like the rest of WoW since WoW was always a CASUAL MMO.
Vanillafags are just as bad as Retailfags.
>>338950284
>You got me.
I got you. I accept your surrender. Better luck next time.
>>338950318
>>338950312
>The time it took people to get 60 is way overstated by people that didn't know what they were doing. Plenty of people that knew the game through beta and shit leveled very quickly.
People who knew what they were doing got to 60 in ~10 days of /played time. 10 days =/= instantly.
Good try though lads. I'll just chalk this up as an internet debate victory for myself on my whiteboard.
At this point they should go all out on options for playing old content, it could potentially save WoW, and almost future proof it in some ways actually. If they made servers for Vanilla as well as BC, WoTLK etc. With fully intact skill systems for them and stuff, they could keep WoW going on the nostalgia factor alone for a good while. And then maybe step back and figure out how to develop some quality new Content.
>>338950267
Boss design for most of Vanilla was shit. Most, especially early on were glorified trash mobs or they had 1 gimmick as opposed to the many gimmicks many bosses now have.
Gameplay now is easily better in general then it was in Vanilla.
>>338950360
>being this desperate
Have a (You) kid.
>>338950570
Lel, you underaged pleb.
World record 1-60 was a bit over 5 days /played.
People who knew what they were doing did 1-60 in around 6 days.
10 days /played meant you knew shit about the game.
>>338950221
Some people are so unbelievably optimistic its sickening.
>>338950570
10 days /played would put you below average.
>>338950834
Even if that's true, it's not instant. Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
>>338950703
Most bosses were indeed simpler. But I don't think that is really a problem.
Also, don't forget that it wouldn't be that hard to improve many aspects of the PvE, without hurting the overall feel of the various raids.
who /kronos/ here
>>338950570
>>338951029
If by instant you mean paying for a max level character. You could buy a lvl60 off a gook so yeah. Instant lvl60.
I just started to leave my house regularly.
Well goodbye sun I guess.
>>338951129
>Most bosses were indeed simpler. But I don't think that is really a problem.
Except it goes against the whole WoW has been made easier/dumbed down.
>>338950834
>world record is something that all players should be able to do or you're just inefficient/bad
I think you're forgetting folks don't always have time and/or have no reason to stay up around the clock grinding.
Perhaps
I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted to do what Warmane did with all LK onwards QoL, but just lock content.
Arguably a Vanilla - Cata progression server is all you would need, maybe even only to LK
>>338951129
>>338951307
Most bosses were sponges with high damage aoe abilities. The most complex boss in vanilla was prolly onyxia (3 phases, whelps, breaths, aoe fear).
>>338951307
Simpler encounters doesn't mean easy raiding.
There were still MANY things that could have gone wrong (and they indeed did). Communication was more important, as well. Especially with 40-people raids. You also had to manage your resources.
>>338951307
Raids actually having mechanics isn't the issue. Not everything was a tank and spank in MC, despite what people want to bitch about, and they only got better with BWL and beyond.
WoW is fucking up because they keep taking out abilities because they're worried some rube will cast holy light in ret spec and turning gear into a slot piece with an iLvl because balancing stats is for spreadsheet driven losers.
>>338951689
And don't forget, it was the people and the atmosphere that were making things fun, not how "hard" bosses were.
>>338940976
What do you mean theres no reason? theres a very good reason if youre blizzard, its called money.
>>338940976
>there's literally no reason why they shouldn't let people host and run vanilla servers like valve lets people host and run css servers and like mojang lets people host and run minecraft servers.
What the fuck are you smoking?
>>338951528
>onyxia more complicated than c'thun
Bitch please
>>338951307
That really started with cataclysm.
I think most people even the biggest vanillafags still like up until wotlK and admit it had great raids.
>>338940178
This. The back pedaling is hilarious.
I even said in the comment section last time I unsubbed I would resub if legacy servers happen. I will gladly pay to play on a vanilla server. There were so many problems on Nost that retail legacy would either not have or it would be a lot less prevalent. The chinese in general were slowly killing the server.
>>338951528
Hey look someone else who's talking shit and never raided Naxx.
>>338951689
Raiding with retards makes everything "hard". To gauge difficulty you have to assume the people you are playing with are equal skill level across expansions. You can't say Vanilla is harder because you played with worse players.
>>338951880
im smoking pot thats what im smoking, im smoking the green im smoking herb
what, you think im on drugs because i hate this fascist industry?
>>338939768
Nigga I would gladly pay $15 a month and buy the base game again to play vanilla TBC or Wrath 1:1 on reliable blizz-made servers.
If they go through with this, and fuck shit up, I'm going to be mad.
>>338951809
>turning gear into a slot piece with an iLvl
You do realise that items always had ilvls, right?
>>338951909
>c'thun
I never made it to AQ40. My guild made it to chromaggus before BC.
>>338942065
>>338942001
>>338941774
TBC is in fact the high point of WoWs history
Vanilla is good but TBC took vanillas formula and perfected it.
I've been playing since 2005 and without a doubt Vanilla is far inferior to TBC
>>338952104
>Fascist
???????
Start naming some MMOs that allow private servers to be run.Protip: You can't. Why? Because they're losing out on either sub money or MXT money
I will resub and I have a few friends who will also resub with me.
even one who always regretted that he didn't jump in with us back during vanilla.
Not sure how long it will hold my attention.
Private servers were never an option for me because they are usually poorly coded and managed.
>They announce legacy servers
>It has the new models and a bunch of other "QoL" changes like personal loot, class balance changes and shit
Into the trash it goes.
>>338952193
>No AQ20/40
>No Naxx
>Guys, I played Vanilla, I swear
>>338952321
kill yourself corporate bootlicker
>>338952727
>You have to do everything and have had bis to have played vanilla
I can't help that I joined like a year before BC.
>>338952727
Nigga you haven't beaten naxx in vanilla.
Don't even pretend anyone here has done everything in vanilla.
>>338952834
Thanks for proving me right, senpai.
>>338952727
>Moving the goalpost
stupid frogposter
>>338938717
why do people care about vanilla servers? why don't they just play on a private one? is it really that important to have 10 year old graphics and mechanics just for nostalgias sake? it's not like wow was magically a great game in 2004, people just hadn't yet been jaded by endless waves of shit mmos
>>338952164
They always had ilvls, but there was always a matter of balancing the extra stats like hit, crit, AP, and whatever the fuck else was used in itemization. They made some improvements over time, like saying hit/spirit sucks, let's remove them, but they've gone way over the edge with homogenization. You used to build gear sets with stats in mind. Now the only number that matters is ilvl because they want every time to be worth while, which means none of them really stand out.
>>338950834
>>338950570
>mfw I spent almost a year actiively at level 57-59 playing a Warlock, my only character
>mfw it actually benefitted me in world pvp because I could get honor from another 3 levels of players in the low 50s
>mfw I got 1/40th of the exp to level from a full fucking Scholomance or Stratholme run because people raided them 10-man for gear and it still took 90-120 minutes for drinking/eating/pulling/wiping
>mfw building a set of T0 dungeon gear and looking badass despite being nothing but a fearbot/transportation system/Infernal & Doomguard novelty
>mfw I loved every minute of it
there really was a lack of meaningful quests in the 55-60 bracket. I think I finally dinged grinding Felcloth in Felwood or some shit, crafting Mooncloth for gold-buying plebs who couldn't do content. Looking back, it's pretty amazing what kind of state the endgame was in. What a mess.
>>338953259
>why don't they just play on a private one?
People did. In fact, some 1 million people registered for and at one point played on a private server, of which something like 180K were regular players that logged in at least once a week or so. The problem is Blizzard issued a cease and desist to that server and all those people lost all their characters and progress. That's why people are now saying if Blizzard won't let the community run it, Blizzard themselves should run it.
So when will the meeting happen?
>>338953050
>I'm a scrub, therefore everyone must be a scrub
I may not have killed Kel'Thuzad in Vanilla, but we were making progress at the very least.
>>338952727
literally less than 10 percent of the vanilla playerbase ever stepped foot in Naxx. Fuck off.
>>338952834
I don't understand your logic. please explain.
blizzard subs pay for server costs + payroll
are you suggesting they allow pepole to host their own servers, and intentionally subvert their primary source of income? no business would ever do that. it's nonsensical
>>338952570
>It has the new models
you can turn OFF the new models in retail, right NOW. it's in the graphic settings.
>>338953328
You still build sets with stats in mind you massive retard
Different specs will favor different stats due to design, if you get an ilevel 705 piece with crit and multi strike and then a 700 piece with haste and mastery as enhancement, you bet your ass the best choice is the piece with haste/mastery
I agree that homogenization is a problem but you're just pulling stuff out of your ass
>>338953692
>I may not have killed Kel'Thuzad in Vanilla
So you haven't beaten everything?
I was also in Naxx with my guild. So what? You were being elitist without being at the top.
>>338953673
oh that makes sense thanks senpaitachi
>>338953765
I don't give a fuck. If it's going to be vanilla, it has to be full fucking vanilla.
>>338953715
mainly because 900 gold was a fucking joke for a peek inside with no guild to see it.
I had the argent dawn rep to where it would have only cost me a few crusader orbs, but I still didn't bother stepping foot inside.
>>338953905
the point is you can set it to see what you want to see, and what other players see is irrelevant.
>>338953905
But it won't be. We'll get some pet cemetery-esque "they come back wrong" thing going on.
>>338953748
back to /pol/ bootlicker
>>338953905
Even though folks want vanilla it was far from perfect. There were significant balance issues that were only addressed in BC. If they do make legacy servers they will almost inevitably force their ingame shop or include pets/mounts someone has purchased.
>>338950312
http://www.wowhead.com/quest=470/digging-through-the-ooze
Hi there. Kill all the oozes, thanks.
>>338952727
My guild never managed to get the right balance between Frost Resistance gear and gear with actual stats to take out Sapphiron. People were also getting tired of waiting for TBC to come out. And then the guild leader disbanded the guild one day over his e-girlfriend. Alliance raiding on Spinebreaker never really fully recovered after that.
![brandon-pilcher-1290082903-logo1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8dXncCz.jpg "brandon-pilcher-1290082903-logo1[1].jpg")
>>338938717
>be me
>be me 12 years old and playing vanillo
>do all the dungeons in 1 month after starting playing
>get grand marshal aegis in a week
>decide to join top raiding guild
>kill ragnaros 2 minutes after MC is released
>down onyxia every attosecond
>have naxx on farm
>help losers get like 5 corruptor ashbringors
>vanilla was hard
>>338953531
Lol pretty much same as me, been a 59 Warlock forever doing mostly battlegrounds until I jokingly said during a ZG raid I would lvl 60 in the night if they gave me the trinket and they did lol...
>>338954581
>e-girlfriend
>not wife
That's...that's even worse.
>>338954924
She was also several people's e-girlfriend we later learned. And as you would expect, she was terrible at the game.
>vanilla WoW servers
>everyones going to want to play a Ret Pally, Feral Druid, Enhance Shaman and Shadow Priest
>their faces when
>>338938717
What the fuck Kern has to do with Nostalrius?
When did he insert himself?
>>338955305
>not playing rogue in vanilla
>>338955305
I played a hideous mixture of ret and holy that i used to tank dungeons
it kinda worked since all the holy damage allowed me maintain threat although not without effort.
>>338955380
He's "the voice of gamers" :^)
>Everyone wants it
>No one will get it because of sub
You know this is whats gonna happen.
>>338955380
He is epic blizzard game industry dev man
>>338955380
>maybe I can use this to make me relevant again!
That's pretty much it.
I wonder how this even happened, since Blizzard had that "You don't actually want them" attitude. Maybe someone higher up saw the appeal and marketability of vanilla servers and told them to do it.
inb4 the vanilla servers are actually shit.
>>338955496
But they all payed subs when vanilla was new, they'll do it again.
Wasn't Mark Kern the lead of Firefall, and it went to shit because he kept trying to make it 'his' game and turned Red5 to shit? They fired him and restructured and made vast improvements, but the game is just kinda pbbbt now.
What happened to him? Is he back with blizzard again?
>>338955496
I am more than willing to pay a sub for prog servers and I know a few people that feel the same way.
These super Blizz fanboys that will defend the modern iteration of the game to the death forget the success of other games' progression servers, such as EQ's.
>>338955496
I don't mind a sub. Keeps the BRs and poorfags away.
>>338955940
So 90% of Nost playerbase.
>>338955305
>le ret pallies were bad maymay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXNWvytYbyo
>>338955613
Not everyone is autistic like those on /v/. Some people change their opinions when confronted with reality.
>>338955380
as far as I recall, he first came out about calling Mike Morhaime if the petition reached 200k sigs.
>>338955884
https://twitter.com/grummz/status/733302509192675328
Firefall was actually really good when it first came out. The rest of the people at Red5 thought that the way to make an MMO was to create a homogenized, garbage WoW clone and ultimately killed it after ejecting Kern from the company.
>>338956217
>Ret paladins were good when you got top tier end game gear!
When they're shit for 95% of the game that's pretty telling.
>>338956217
true, true
towards the end, shockadins with the meteor trinket (www.wowhead.com/item=21891/shard-of-the-fallen-star) were also very OP
Enh shammy with hand of rag hell yes.
>>338956598
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
>>338956794
>When they're shit for 95% of the game that's pretty telling
Prove they were shit for 95% of the game.
>>338956835
HOLY SHIT, FOUND THE VID!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay7RU0N-44Y
>>338956883
I've read it already.
>Mark was mean to us! He yelled and called us mean names!!
>He wanted to spend the money that he invested into the company!
>He wanted to make a good game! He's a monster!
Plus that article was written by a slanderous SJW trying to smear Kern. Regardless of if you believe it's true or not, Firefall was way fucking better with Kern at the helm than without him. That entire company was full of incompetent retards.
>>338956919
I know right nothing beats the gameplay of vanilla paladin.
Auto attack is one hell of an attack.
>>338956919
The fact that you use endgame geared from both sides (PvP and PvE) should be proof enough.
>>338957154
Strawman. Prove they were shit for 95% of Vanilla. The involvement of their rotation is irrelevant.
>>338957220
Those are the only two examples that I've ever seen. Just because those examples are with end game gear doesn't mean Rets were magically shit before absolute end game.
>>338957154
Also, not to mention they're pretty one trick ponies like Enhancement Shaman but when Enha peaks early and becomes worse, Paladin only then starts becoming better with memestrike judgment.
That is, after they start getting scraps from actually useful Warriors :^)
What is there to keep under a NDA?
>"Okay guys, this meeting is about legacy servers feasibility."
>"Can we do it?"
>"Yes."
>"Okay, but don't tell anyone we're doing it."
>>338941774
Vanilla and TBC were both good, WoTLK was good from a story perspective (and Ulduar). It's been downhill from there, although raiding mechanics have gotten pretty good, the raids themselves are just boring.
I don't understand why you idiots want to play an old version of WoW.
There is too much imbalance. During the original and Burning Crusade campaigns, NO ONE EVER BROUGHT A ROGUE to raids, unless some gimmick required them to (which was rare), because other DPS classes not only had higher damage but also survivablity. In PVP they were considered completely OP and no one wanted to play against them.
WHY PLAY AN UNBALANCED PIECE OF SHIT? There are entire trees that are untouched because they are complete shit. There is no more exploration because everyone knows EVERYTHING.
FUCK ALL OF YOU. NEW WOW IS BEST WOW.
>>338957507
>the raids themselves are just boring.
That's because they already killed off the most memorable Warcraft (3) characters.
Some of them twice.
>>338957572
low-quality bait
>>338943042
People kept saying this, Nostalrius definitely had the same experience as Vanilla (with obvious differences because I'm 11 years older). The way the game is built encourages the Vanilla feeling, the elite mobs, the working together. It is great. It actually felt like a WORLD rather than jumping between a series of instances.
>>338957152
I just find Kern's pathetic "I'm 4 da gamer pls notice me" charade boring.
Just a reminder to everyone:
>When TBC came out, everyone said it completely sucked and everyone hated it.
Seriously, all I could see is how much this and that was fucking shit. Then the next expansion came out and everyone started saying how good TBC was. It's fucking bullshit. All of you just hate whatever is the newest thing! THEN YOU LOVE THE THING YOU HATED BEFORE!!! WHY??
>>338957775
Maybe you're projecting that on him. Maybe he genuinely gives a fuck, or he wants Vanilla servers too.
>>338957152
Okay Kern.
>>338957086
hella epic
Just let WoW wither away a die, MMO population in general has declined because the whole genre is played out, it was good back in the day but that time is over. R.I.P MMOs.
terrible idea just make a decent expansion sometime
>>338957779
>this argument again
>>338958018
oh shut the fuck up
>>338938717
Fuck Blizzard and their retarded fans.
