Artstyle aside, are you looking forward to Civ 6?
I don't see the problem, reminds me of IV.
>>338911290
AI not being retarded as fuck for starters. I love it when Attila decides attack me, and I get a warmonger penalty for defeating him.
>>338912019
Don't cap cities. It makes sense.
The art style would be fine if they just:
A: made the tree density on forest tiles higher
B: Made the grass textures more detail dense so it doesn't flat as fuck
>>338911958
and 4 looked visually bad as well
>>338911290
>Artstyle aside
>Doesn't even post gameplay footage
Fucking retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU8VM-jtXHM
They'll sell 1/3rd of the old games and ask you to buy a ton of DLC/expansions so you get the features back that you would have had if you stuck to the previous releases. There's no even a visual upgrade this time around, only a sidegrade.
>>338912248
I wasn't aware there was game footage out. No reason to be so rude.
My son turns 2 in October. I'm not sure which thing i'm more excited for.
>>338912279
They've said about a thousand times that Civ VI will have every mechanic (or some reiteration of it) from Civ 5 + the expansions
>>338911290
Don't see enough difference from the last two civ games. pass
>>338911290
Individual happiness is enough to get me keen, but for the rest of the changes, I'll have to wait and see.
The art style just makes the world look smaller. Like in Civ V, a jungle or a forest was a mass on a tile. In that screenshot, the I could count the trees easily.
>>338911290
We must figure out why Teddy has a mouth full of bees. Bee spitting UA confirmed?
>>338912376
>claiming Civ V is the gold standard
ishygddt
I'm pretty happy with Civ5 with all the DLC atm, dunno what more I could ask for.
>>338912209
thankfully, such simple art changes can and will be modded first week if thats what you prefer
personally i like the trees as is but the grass seems a bit bright
cum se cum sa
im looking forward to the game, most importantly AI improvements.. hopefully they get a fleshed out enough ai at least in the base game, one problem with V was that until bnw the gameplay got dull quite quick and BE had some serious issues until the dlc
>>338912375
no one asked about your wife's son you fuck
Guy who played 60 turns gives his preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzC5cUQcFk
>>338912671
Marbozir also did a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0RGfYAiuR8
>>338912767
>>338912671
Which one is better? I'm not familiar with either.
>GamesBeat: Have you figured out ways to make it run fast when you have a big game going?
>Beach: We have a whole new AI system. The AI is multithreaded this time. Exactly where we’ll land on performance—I don’t want to make any claims yet. It should be good. It should be an improvement. But until we actually have everything tuned the way we want, I don’t want to make any claims.
>We’ve looked at some of the AI research going on lately, but the problem is, all of those developments assume that you have some time to spend on doing the deep thought. Our players expect to get control back. We are using some new technologies. We have a more goal-oriented AI than we did in the past. We’re using behavior trees. It can do things like look at a chain of boosts and tell how to achieve getting three levels deep in the tech tree by unlocking boosts to get there. Once it starts down that path, it will follow through with that line of reasoning.
>GamesBeat: But they still have to be beatable, right?
>Beach: They have to be beatable, and they have to be able to produce a result in an amount of time that players consider acceptable.
>I find that when I’m playing the game, I run into fewer automatic decisions, where I know what my path is going to be and I just queue things up and get going. There’s a lot more thinking on your feet trying to figure out, on this map and in this particular situation with these other leaders and these agendas—let me think this through so I can figure out how to get where I need to go. I end up playing the game slower than I played Civilization V, because I have to be more deliberate about the path I’m taking.
Now, I am become Hype, the destroyer of worlds
>AIs have a random, hidden agenda
>Some AIs want to build all the wonders and will denounce you if you build any
this just sounds like a recipe for me to get grumpy and alt f4
>>338913219
quill18 is a canadian
is the culture/civics thing basically another tech tree but instead of science it uses culture?
>>338913219
Marbozir is legitimately good at Civ 5, Quill18 is... not
>>338913672
yea basically
it sounds like the early policies will be more military-orientated because of the nature of early diplomacy and tribal times
>>338913219
Marbozir a cute.
>>338912497
this is why people complained about the artstyle, its only going to give us leaders that look like this, I can only imagine how much worse its going to get
Reminder that it seems like each civ will have three uniques rather than two
http://franchise.civilization.com/en/news/2016-05-theodore-roosevelt-leads-the-americans-in-civilization-vi/
>Unique unit: P-51 Mustang
>The P-51 “Mustang,” an aircraft created by America during World War II, was designed as a long-range, high-altitude fighter to serve in dogfights, escort bombers and even enact bombing missions on its own. The P-51 Mustang was able to outmaneuver the best German Luftwaffe fighters above 15,000 feet and even outlast the efficient Japanese fighters, and by 1943 the P-51 Mustang was in service on every American front.
>Unique unit: Rough Rider
>The 1st United States Volunteer Cavalry, better known by its colloquial moniker the “Rough Riders,” was a regiment recruited and raised by Theodore Roosevelt in 1898 AD to fight in the Spanish-American War. This volunteer regiment included 1,060 ranchers, cowboys, college athletes, miners and other rugged outdoorsmen hailing from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona.
>Unique Building: Film Studio
>Thomas Edison, the much vaunted American inventor and businessman, created the first film studio in West Orange, New Jersey back in 1893. His film studio was used to capture the amusing larks of vaudeville and theater actors, to display within penny arcades, fairground tents and unused theaters. By 1920, there were a dozen film studios in operation around Hollywood, California, each feeding what would become an American and global obsession with film.
Sounds like Roosevelt's UA will be called Square Deal but we don't know what it actually does yet
His AI agenda is that he will not be fond of warmongers that are on his own continent
I want to get into Civ, I've heard good things about 5, should I start there?
>>338914253
>America gets late game uniques, again.
For fucks sake, give us something from colonial or revolutionary America.
>>338914350
Civ 4 or Civ 5, either is fine
Make sure to get all the expansions, it's not worth playing either of them without the expansions
>>338914350
You should start with 2, but 5 is fine.
>>338914253
WHy is he so fat?
>>338914253
I hope unique improvements are still in the game.
>>338914460
He's American
>>338911290
I like the artstyle. Its minimalism compliments the fact that it's a digital board game. I think it's a positive turnaround from the conceited 'realism' in V, and it gives me faith that they understand what makes 4x good.
>>338914501
Unique Buildings in Civ VI are kinda like Unique Improvements anyway, aren't they?
Also, China (led by Qin Shi Huang) can manually build the Great Wall by placing improvements on its borders.
>>338911290
What is the point of this game? Just looks downgraded in nearly every aspect except for the interactions with leaders.
I hope they make Spain as fun as it is in civ5.
>>338914581
>minimalism
Go be dumb somewhere else.
>>338914752
How is it "downgraded in nearly aspect" besides arguable the art style? Did you even watch the info videos?
>>338914775
I wanna rape spain
>>338914959
same except russia
>>338913219
Marbozir can actually play video games
>>338913315
I'd personally be fine with longer turn waits if it made a proportional increase in AI intelligence.
Like, I could deal with having to wait 20 seconds between turns if it made the AI 60% smarter, in a way that feels actually smart and not just cheating
>Additionally, Beach says the limited uses [of builders] created balance improvements. “Players playing on a high difficulty found that stealing workers from another civ or a city state was a great strategy, because they were around for the rest of the game. With charges, they’re not around long, so it’s not worth it.
Nice job faggots, you did this.
>>338914796
>I don't understand how less can be more
No u, faggot.
>>338913219
Marbozir is Scandinavian ? I thought he is Italian at first when i heard his voice
>>338915473
I never understood the "improving the AI makes the game run like shit" meme, the AI improvements from CBP are handled just fine
>>338911290
>>338915474
I really fucking hate this. Part of making my empire feel alive and thriving was seeing all those workers running around making improvements and reshaping the landscape.
Now they're on 4 charges each and get auto-deleted after they're spent.
This seems like a step backwards for me. I mean where exactly did they go? Did they die from being overworked? Am I literally working these people to death?
You could say it didn't make much sense for them to carry on living through the ages, but I just assumed that they, like military units, were representative of entire groups whose members gradually got replaced over the years.
Now what happens to them? Do they just lose their jobs and melt back into the population? Obviously not since I don't think a city's population will receive a boost as a result of them disbanding.
The only logical answer then is that they just die off and new ones have to be trained from scratch. Even from a pure gameplay standpoint, this just seems unnecessarily tedious. It was fine for things like missionaries and great people because they drew from other resources unrelated to buildings and military units, and either way they weren't really that necessary. More like bonus units.
Do I seriously need to hold off now on whatever else I was planning every few turns just to churn out more builders?
>>338915561
Go google minamilism. Maybe you'll learn something today instead of sitting here confused on 4chan.
Or, you could sit there and shitpost thinking that we're engaged in some sort of argument about whatever ignorant shit you think that word means. Up to you, mate.
>>338912576
>cum se cum sa
It's comme ci, comme ça you bellend. Do you even French?
>>338915473
This, I'd be fine waiting longer if it meant the AI didn't do retarded shit, especially when someone like Rome or Greece goes and settles all those 1 tile islands with no resources around them in the middle of the ocean, or taking desert faith pantheon when they have 1 flat desert tile around them and you are morocco with a god tier petra and they ruin it by taking that.
>>338915878
It's gameplay conceit in a board game. It doesn't represent anything. It never represented anything. You're a shithead.
>New engine
>64-bit support
>Multi-threaded AI
Hopefully they add Vulkan (or at least DX12) support as well
>>338915940
You just threw the "coup de gras"
>>338911290
Multi-tile cities for sure, that's going to be pretty cool. I don't even mind the art, I think it's okay, I'll probably get sued to it anyway.
>>338915905
So you attacked my comment because you don't know that it can be used as a generic descriptor? This has been informative. jk, no it hasn't.
Thoughts?
>>338915592
That's because you don't have an understanding of what AI is and how it is programmed.
>>338916000
As I said, even from a gameplay perspective some of these mechanics just look wonky. Builders don't even build roads, those will be the responsibility of traders.
So what if I need a road going somewhere close to a battle line to move troops faster?
So go fuck your whore mother you fat shit.
>>338916231
I guess. But the Community Patch sure does a lot for the AI.
>>338916168
Yeah, I guess it would be way too much of an inconvenience to quickly google something you know you know nothing about when somebody explicitly informs you that you're wrong. Keep on keeping on.
>>338914430
You're forgetting about the Minuteman from Civ V anon?
>>338911290
After watching the guy talk about his experience with the alpha/beta/demo and watching the artstyle as someone actually played it, I'm much more interested now than at the announcement.
The art doesn't look as overly saturated as before in-game so that's nice.
>>338916006
fuck off W10 shill
>>338911290
Yes. If it has mod support, and it improves upon the game that V was (particularly AI being smarter), it'll satisfy my expectation easily.
>>338916368
Wasn't Civ 5 one of the first games to utilize DX11?
>>338916292
>So what if I need a road going somewhere close to a battle line to move troops faster?
Then you're gonna need to go ahead and wait until the modern age, realismfag.
>>338916348
the ground textures are shit though be nice if it had grass or something
>>338915592
Do...you know how programming AI works?Making an AI BETTER, more challenging without using cheating?
You have to devote more system resources to the AI processing events. A really good AI would eat fucking CPU cycles all the time.
>>338916207
To be honest I like the pretty paintings in V than these and the movies from IV. These look very pretty too, but I will miss those oil paintings.
>>338916321
I did, just to be sure. I assume you're insinuating that minimalism can only refer to the artistic movement which coined the term. I also confirmed you're wrong and my usage is fine. Smug cocksucker.
>>338911290
I can't get over the units and graphics. It looks so bad, I mean, I hate the cartoonishness. I don't like Civ 4's graphics and I hate this. Pass.
>>338912525
>Implying it isn't
I'm a bit iffy on Civ VI, but if it really is an upgrade to V, it'd be perfect. My main qualms are about the limited workers and districts, though, so I'll have to try them out to see if I really like them.
>>338912248
>fucking Teddy Roosevelt is the leader of America
yessssssssssss
>>338916521
Why are you lying?
>>338916057
I think it's 'Coupe', like the car.
Like he's driving the grass to the point or something I don't know I don't speak spanish
![Strategic_Early_large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VfuLdMc.jpg "Strategic_Early_large[1].jpg")
>>338911290
Does Civ VI have Strategic View? I've been playing on it so much I can't play without it.
>>338916521
What do you think minimalism is?
>>338912497
He looks fine, aside from his jowls and cheeks.
Teddy is based as fuck, so I'm glad he's our leader. Washington and Lincoln aren't bad, but Teddy is one of our top 3 best, up there with Eisenhowerand Jefferson, but he might be dethroned by Trump
>>338916675
Sounds about right
>It's time for the coupe de gras!
>>338916720
Yea, it's confirmed by some people who got their hands on it but they can't show it because all they are allowed to have is prerecorded footage
>>338916720
I hope for the sake of my piece of shit toaster it has a strategic view as well.
The graphics look so bad, man.It's like a mobile game.
I dont know, I might pass.
>>338916825
The guy said it does
>>338916729
He has no idea. He doesn't seem to understand what generic, insinuating or coined mean either. But, you know, it's 4chan. Better to be obstinate than consider the possibility we're not as clever as we think.
>>338911290
Give me the option when I conquer a city to immediately bargain with the enemy for peace so I don't have everybody think I'm a fucking barbarian for defending myself.
Also, let me attach soldiers to workers and settlers so they don't get captured by barbarians.
>>338916720
The youtuber who got a sneak peak said it did have a strategic view, the patrician's choice.
>>338913219
Marborzir can play games but has a shitty accent
>>338916675
>>338916746
Holy shit, this is literally all the French I know and it's pronounced "Coo-De-Grah"
>>338916867
cartoon graphics don't look as dated in 20 years.
>>338916916
>Give me the option when I conquer a city to immediately bargain with the enemy for peace so I don't have everybody think I'm a fucking barbarian for defending myself.
Already confirmed there's a Casus Belli system, also no one will really care if you warmonger in the early game
>Also, let me attach soldiers to workers and settlers so they don't get captured by barbarians.
Already confirmed you can embed warriors to settlers
>>338916961
I'll fucking fight you.
>>338914253
I hope that background is a placeholder. Even if they're lowering the quality of the leaderscreens at least make the picture pretty.
>>338912576
>cum se cum sa
Haha this nigga
>>338916729
A form of artistic expression or design that eschews extraneous detail to the point of minimization or near-minimization.
>>338916207
cool little animation, doesnt effect gameplay though, so it dont matter that much
>>338916207
>can't single-city wonder hog anymore
not sure how i like this change senpai
even if we don't get venice again
>>338916825
>Friends bug me into getting Civ V
>Slow as fuck on my toaster
>Find strategic view
>now I never lose to them
>>338916207
>mfw you see this when an opponent finishes a wonder before you
>>338916997
It was a joke and you're wrong, it's actually "coo-de-grahss"
And it's written "Coup de grâce"
>>338917072
>>338914253
It does make sense that it's the White House for Teddy since he gave it the name but I agree, hopefully it's a bit more than that
>>338917149
Nah trust me, we're getting Venice again
>>338916998
WoW has cartoon graphics and it looks like shit today.
>>338916057
>>338916746
>>338916997
Coup de Grâce, jesus fuck
>>338917216
>Teddy Roosevelt
Please be real
>>338917302
Read the thread
>>338917076
Cool, so how is the game's art minimalistic?
You could argue the strategic view is because it is. But the actual game art isn't. Everything has a ton of details. Hell, you can even see the detail in the grass
>>338917216
looks legit to me
>>338917302
Read the thread.
>>338917302
Read the thread.
Civ 5 was a letdown and I really don't care anymore.
I'll get it on sale.
Maybe.
When all the inevitable intentional cut content is restored in dlc.
>>338917216
>Souix
My people are in this game what the fuck
>>338917216
>Saladin
>No Byzantium
>Gran Columbia
>Catherine again
>>338917260
Civ VI has a bit of both realism and cartoonism, I'm not sure if this will look like shit in 20 yearsinb4 it looks like shit now
>>338917216
>Saladin
>Ragnar
>Frederick
>Cyrus
nice
>Sioux
>Gran Columbia
???
>>338917302
anon he was in the gameplay vid, scroll up
>>338912279
> A ton
> Civ 4/5 both had two expacs that has a great price to content ratio
like this isnt Paradox with 10 10-20 bucks miniexpacs
>>338916207
It'll be cool the first few times for each but hopefully they add an option to turn it off
I really hope the city itself grows like it did in Civ5. The cities would grow past the walls you been in the past and creep into neighboring tiles. I really hope that continues and is even expanded to districts and whatnot
>>338917413
>saladin
Yes
>no byzantium
Expansion packs
>>338911290
The graphics mod
>>338917406
It's been said hundreds of thousands of times that every mechanic from Civ V + the expansions will still be there (or at least reworked into something else, like Social Policies are being reworked into Civics) in the base game of Civ VI
Its an even-numbered Civ so it should be decent. V was a complete disaster.
>>338917216
>posting the fake
>>338914460
burgers
>>338917216
>Please do not share this with anybody ok, I am not even sure why I am writing this up I guess I must be a retard
>>338917410
They were in II m8
>>338917554
>Nixon
Please be real
>>338917554
>>338917216
They're both hilariously fake
>>338917554
>The Prophet Muhammad
>>338917216
Saladin
Montezuma
Babylonian- Hammurabi
Pedro II DLC- Brazilian
Grace O'Malley-Celts
Qin Shi Muang(sp?) Chinese
Ragnar Lodbrak Danish
Cleopatra
Elizabeth
Napoleon
Frederick the Great
Simon Bolivar
Alexander
muayna Capar DLC-Incans
Gandhi
Toyotomi Hideyoshi Japs
Mansa Musa Malinese
Genghis Khan
Suleiman Ottoman
Cyprus
Milszko I DLC Polish
Julius Ceasar
Caherine
Sitting Bull Sioux
Isabella I DLC
Enrico Dandolo Venetian
Shaka DLC
Probably fake
>>338917741
ye probably
>>338917741
nigga we can read it
>>338911290
And i thought the art style was bad, what the fuck is going on with that UI
What were they thinking
>>338916421
>Wasn't Civ 5 one of the first games to utilize DX11?
Yes, and Beyond Earth had AMD Mantle support. They will most likely go Vulkan or DX 12 on our ass.
>>338917819
Quill says the UI is not finished and the icons are placeholder
>>338917525
would they ever say anything else?
>>338917554
>Nixon
>Muhammed
>Franz
>Constantine
>Hannibal
>William
>Mao
>Henry 8
>Louis 16
>Adolf
>Phillip
>Jammal
>Hideki
>Kim
>Hone
>Joseph
>Caligula
>Dingane
>>338917865
How can you be this cynical? I'm not telling you to preorder it like a retard but damn
>>338911290
Artstyle is fine, /v/ is bitching for no reason.
The initial screenshots were too zoomed and from a weird angle, now that we've seen gameplay I am happy with the look.
>>338914430
You forgot that america didn't exist until 1776
>>338916720
>>338916825
>MFW Beyond Earth did not have strategic view
They did everything possible to fuck that game. Good hing VI have strategic view.
![fcd3d1b4a3[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/DVKaxl9.png "fcd3d1b4a3[1].png")
>>338917406
Your graph a shit
So this seems like the place to ask.
Why does Byzantium in civ5 have a religion ability, but no bonus to actually getting a religion?
Without a religion Byzantium is literally a generic civ with no bonuses since the trireme replacement isn't going to do shit and the horseman replacement is hardly used.
>>338918213
Accurated. In before someone says that Civ V with all dlcs is a bad game.
>>338918213
>Civ 1 not the best
>>338918330
Because they didn't balance the game for Deity.
>>338918330
Rush Stone Hedge to be one of the first to found a religion. Works 100% of the time for me.
I'm looking forward to the features introduced in G&K and BNW being cut and sold to me again.
>>338918330
Protip: Stop playing unmodded Civ 5
Try out Community Balance Patch or NQ mod
>>338918485
cbp is still the same problem, you just always have the option of founding a religion
nq doesn't help byzantium other than make one or two points into piety not awful
>>338918471
>rushing stone hedge above prince
>>338918427
Civ II is better in every single way, though. The only thing it's missing is Gandhi's rollover causing him to become a nuclear maniac.
>>338917934
..because civ 4 to civ 5 was a big downgrade and they said it was an improvement then as well?
like on release people were already aware of the big gaping holes where DLC fit in.
>>338918624
You can do it even into Immortal. Deity is pretty much the only difficulty in which you can't, but people who play on Deity are retarded.
>>338918213
civ 3 wasn't even remotely that bad
>>338918624
I play on Emperor all the time and don't have issues with it. The only problem is you have little chance of getting the Great Library, but the pro's of getting all the good religion benefits out weigh anything else.
>>338918770
It's only slightly better than 1. 3 was fucking awful, and it made me not even get into 4 until 2009, and that's when 5 came out.
>>338918705
>..because civ 4 to civ 5 was a big downgrade and they said it was an improvement then as well?
Of course they would fucking say it's an improvement. Whether it's an improvement or not is subjective though. The fact that religion and espionage will be in Civ VI is objective.
>>338915592
haven't played CBP but the improved AI mod for civ5 (or alot of civ5 mods) increase the AI time turn quite alot, to the point of being unplayable for someone impatient like I am
The new fog of war is probably the worst part of the fugly art style.
Can't mobile devices and consoles handle proper fog or what's the excuse for this massive downgrade?
>>338918756
>>338918793
why wouldn't you try to rush oracle of even hanging gardens instead?
plus the IA rarely gets tithe or pagodas / mosques when founding religions
>>338916735
Only if "duplicitous clown" is a unit
why was stone hedge a generic wonder and not the piety wonder?
>>338911290
As long as it has better AI than the shit im dealing with right now
>Morocco talking to me
>Bro lets be friends
>Okay
>Trade me your copper for 130g and 6g a round
>Sure
>Accept my embassy
>okay
>lets be freinds again
>Fine
>WOAH THERE FUCK FACE, YOUR EMPIRE IS SHIT, GONNA TELL THE WHOLE CREW ABOUT YOUR WEAK ASS ARMY THAT MORE THAN QUADRUPLES MINE
>>338918756
>>338918793
How do you not get bored?
>>338918878
How can you have this much shit taste
>>338918919
There's still going to be tons of tweaks to that stuff
>>338918879
Oracle and Hanging Gardens come much later than Stone Hedge though.
>>338918919
because the people who built stonehenge were probably just 'aving a laugh, not making nothing religious
>>338918998
Yeah but the skill up and time it takes to build Hedge, if you try to get Hedge it's going to put you far back on either of the other two.
>>338918948
>consolepleb in denial
I mean I get it, it's just a flat polygon with a blurry 16x16 texture on top of it so that consoles can run it, but it looks like shit, sorry.
>>338916735
>Anyone dethroning Teddy
Hahaha hahaha hahaha hah. Teddy is eternal, and his legacy of masculinity and honor will never be dethroned.
I hope they make the AI do a religion that actually makes sense.
>take monasteries without any wine or incest
>take retardo pantheons that don't help them, like taking desert folklore with 1 flat desert tile, or jungle culture with 1 jungle/banana tile that they will end up removing for a plantation, or prioritizing that fucking city combat bonus
>use great prophets to spread instead of planting
It seems like they would maybe take a pantheon that was hit or miss, then for the rest of their beliefs it was a lucky dip.
>>338918879
>To get Stonehenge
Pottery -> Calendar
>To get Hanging Gardens
Archery + Animal Husbandry -> Wheel -> Mathematics
>To get Oracle
Pottery -> Calendar -> Philosophy
Great Library is what all the wonder-spammers go for, and it comes out at the same time as Stonehenge, so you have like 10 turns more to build it
>>338919234
philo needs writing
>>338919234
who even builds stonehenge lol
>>338918213
it's good but too harsh on BE and Civ Rev
Rev is a different genre entirely IMO, not really worth mentioning? As for BE, it's fatal flaw was that it was too similar in Civ V in many ways except for the removal of certain mechanics. It was a safe, inoffensive game with no real sense of innovation or understanding of what make Alpha Centauri significant.
>>338919169
Jackson and Teddy are about the same in terms of masculinity, though. Edge out to Jackson because of his early childhood rough life. He even took more bullets and killed more men himself than Teddy
>>338919079
It depends on how my early game plays out too. First thing I ALWAYS do when starting a new game is to rush fucking EVERYWHERE for ancient ruins to get all the early benefits I can.
If I'm lucky, I'll get added population to my capital and whatnot, which will help with producing it fast. Also, there's a perk that gives you a 15% boost for early wonders when you found a pantheon.
>>338916603
>getting shot is just an inconvenience
Reminder that if you rush wonders, you are a pleb with no skill.
>>338919324
Byzantium, like that anon asked about.
It's pretty much the only way she's getting a religion in Immortal or above.
>>338919234
but great library is god tier
>huge early science boost
>first great scientist points available
>can use it to boost into a good tech like philosophy or mathematics/currency
>>338919324
People that absolutely want to get a religion.
>>338919291
I forgot to put Calendar + Writing, my bad.
>tfw byzantium is my favourite civ despite it being kind of poop
>>338919350
And Jackson is a good man. What I'm saying is that Trump ain't replacing either men.
Trump is okay, but he ain't a Roosevelt or a Jackson.
>>338919486
forget GL above emperor
>>338919509
then play a civ that generates faith
>>338919486
Which is why you NEVER build it on Emperor, Immortal, or Deity. You can't get it. No way no how. Unless you're playing with mods, have an insane start location, steal a worker, and find free techs and population from ancient ruins while playing Egypt.
>>338916207
>waves appear out of nowhere without fade
>fog of war popping in on the left
>clipping everywhere, seams don't connect properly
>b-b-b-but they w-will fix it!
Also available on SmartPhones, Playstation 4 and Xbox One!
>>338918330
Byzantium is just stupidly designed. Their UU comes too early and there's no synergy with their UA. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they made them.
>>338911290
No. That shit artstyle is a deal breaker.
>>338919568
Trump'd be one of the only millionaires to become President (along with Harding, Reagan, and, I believe, Pierce), and the only billionaire. It takes balls to risk your own life while fighting on the battlefield like Eisenhower, Jackson, and Roosevelt, but it takes a different kind of testicular fortitude to risk as many business ventures as Trump has. It's also his attitude that only Jackson ever really had. That "fuck everyone else, this is how things REALLY should be done", flipping off both his party and the other. Roosevelt and Eisenhower both did similar things, but were nowhere near as brazen.
There's also policy, and all 4 of those men had great policies, so it's a toss up.
I really do hope that the CIV unique abilities are more balanced. China can boost wonder production with builders, which is probably OP already.
>>338912248
looks fucking gay
![gUff3To[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/G8BADew.png "gUff3To[1].png")
>>338919601
It being so good is why almost no one goes for it, because they assume everyone else is going for it.
>>338919957
>>338919789
Fuck off, the artstyle is fine. It just needs some improvement, like increasing forest density and making the terrain have more little features like big tufts of grass.
>>338919964
>detrimental to civilization
The graph doesn't know what those words mean. No wonder is DETRIMENTAL to a civilization.
How am I meant to play CBP?
>hemorrhage money early game if you don't get a gold/silver/gems start
>even worse policy choices in vanilla, in vanilla you at least had the option of liberty albeit rarely, or possibly opening piety before doing something else, in cbp there is absolutely no reason not to take tradition
>almost all of the new buildings or reworked abilities are kind of a waste
>>338918878
>if I dont way something looks must be a downgrade for consoles
the civ5 style clouds are less demanding on video hardware than this new map style
>>338920148
They're detrimental in the sense that they are a complete waste of time to build, thus neglecting your civ
>>338920064
>It just needs some improvement
So it's not fine then. Ok.
>>338920148
Wasted production. Yeah that will actually make you lose games.
>>338920148
It pretty much means "not worth the time spent building" because the benefits you get from it are less than what you put in.
Pentagon can actually be detrimental if you went Fascism and Honor, because, in certain cases, you can actually roll-over your upgrade costs like Gandhi's AI rolled-over the warmongering trait if it got Democracy in Civ I.
>>338919964
>>338920221
Wait, did you fucking make this graph?
How the FUCK is CN Tower at the last level???
And Sistine Chapel below fucking Alhambra? Is this graph peer reviewed at all or did you just shit it out of your popsickle???
![screenshot2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jqN71i0.jpg "screenshot2[1].jpg")
>>338920243
Needing improvement =/= it's not fine.
Civ V also had some ugly quirks that were ironed out when it was previewed.
>>338920174
>in cbp there is absolutely no reason not to take tradition
You can't be this retarded
>>338920350
It's made in the context of multiplayer
I didn't make it, FilthyRobot did
>>338911290
How powerful will my phone need to be in order to play this?
>>338920350
it's for multiplayer
CN tower is completely incosequential in single player aswell
comes too late in the game to be useful for anything
>>338920350
CN tower is pretty shit desu and not worth the time unless built with a great engineer.
>>338920406
>in cbp there is absolutely no reason not to take tradition
I meant liberty
>>338920350
CN Tower
>Comes in way too late
>Costs too much to build
>Gives you free copies of a building you should have already had
>The other bonus isn't good enough to justify eating up 15 turns to build it
>Sistine Chapel
Al Hambra's bonus is +20% in one city and free promotion to all melee units built there. Sistine is +25% in all cities and comes in later than Chivalry, which is already a great tech.
>>338920243
You sound like a cunt. Just wanted you to know that.
>>338920406
>>338920493
If it's multiplayer then nevermind completely.
>CN tower is completely incosequential in single player aswell
comes too late in the game to be useful for anything
I disagree, for a ultra-wide empire it has a huge impact in terms of culture and/or upkeep.
>>338920464
Haha get it, because it looks like Clash of Clans xDDD
>>338920148
>>338920350
They are not worth the time you spend building. Even if you GE them, that's 1 less engineer to use on spaceship parts.
>Firewall
you aren't spying for tech steals at this point, you are spying for information
>pentagon
you have nothing left to upgrade except paratroopers into xcom or bombers into stealth bombers
>cristo
it might get you one extra policy when policies don't matter, you will never be lacking in policies at that point in the game
>CN tower
the +1 pop is incosequential, the extra pop in 20 pop cities doesn't help much at all, and radio towers are wortheless sincei n multiplayer you either win a space victory, or kill everyone before it
>>338920574
>ultra-wide empire
wide empires aren't even viable in Civ5 unless you're playing on settler or something
>>338920574
By that point the game is decided. It'll never make the difference that saves the game for you.
>>338920574
When is ultra wide ever viable though?
![2bd6300db9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kacK4Fv.jpg "2bd6300db9[1].jpg")
>>338920574
Ultra-wide is never good unless you heavily mod the game, in which case you can rearrange the list because that completely throws everything off balance. With mods, even the Iroquois can be good
>>338920654
Actually you can do variations of ICS if you know what you're doing. It's a bitch though.
>>338920737
you can do, yeah, but it's never going to be superior to the 4 city tradition build
>>338920174
>>338920530
If you're an early warmonger, it's wise to take Authority (i.e. Monty)
If you're going wide, take Progress (i.e. Byzantium)
If you're staying tall, get Tradition (i.e. Pedro II)
Any questions?
>>338911290
>workers have limited uses (3, if you use china 4)
>wonders take up a tile
Fuck that noise.
>>338920646
>>338920654
>>338920669
>>338920684
>>338920714
For fuck's sake I specified
>If it's multiplayer then nevermind completely.
Forget multiplayer for a second. in SINGLE PLAYER, CN tower is a fine fucking wonder, can make a huge impact. Unlike say, the Pentagon, which even in single player is just mediocre.
Yes, in Multiplayer, the hyper-aggressive tech-based victory completely supersedes the need for a CN tower. Only a Futurism rush is worth attempting; a smart player should never lose to Tourism.
I play ultra-wide just fine on Immortal and make it work.
>>338920847
>muh wonderwhoring
>>338920813
the bonuses tradition gives is much better than the bonuses liberty gives
being able to generate great people so early is fucking huge.
>>338920810
You said nonviable, not the best way of doing things.
>>338920878
wide is shit on single player
the cn tower comes too late in single player to have an impact on anything, you're already going straight for your victory condition at that point so what difference does it made
>>338920878
Even in single player it's awful because the bonuses are only ever good if you're playing ultra-wide, which is never good.
It's like selling you a panacea that only works if you saw your foot off and shove it up your ass.
>>338920847
it honestly makes the game more balanced and if you're playing on higher difficulty the AI doesn't just get every single wonder.
>>338912375
My son just turned 2 it's a big deal because he really understood the concept of his second birthday.
I hope they make wide play viable again. Only autists like playing tall, and it's unfortunately the meta of unmodded civ 5 right now.
I want to expand and conquer, not click end turn until I get a lame bill nye victory.
>>338920978
>>338920992
Jesus fuck can the guy not do fun things for fun things sake? The game is already piss easy. Why not make it hard on yourself.
>>338921006
I hope they make it so rome/greece don't settle garbage cities every 3 tiles and build on those shitty 1 tile islands
>>338921053
City happiness is now local again, so playing wide is much easier again.
>>338921053
I like wide too, I just don't like ultra wide 30 cities with 4 pop each
>>338920402
Civ V didn't look like shit to begin with though.
>>338920558
I love you too.
>>338921063
'fun' isn't the same thing as 'useful'
>>338920978
>>338920992
Not every game has to be a min-max shit show, I'm surprised I even have to say this. In Civ you make your own fun. It's more challenging to do Ultra wide than it is to something completely feasible and preferable; that's why it's entertaining. I can't manage Deity with a wide strat, but I can on Immortal, and it makes for fun and unique playthroughs.
Fuck, according to you assholes every game would be "Pick Poland/Korea/Babylon" or "pick Inca set Mountains to High, gg."
>>338920878
>Immortal
>>338921063
I do. I play modded Civ V and cut down the wide penalties by 90%, and even then, I can barely found 9 cities without hemorrhaging. By that point I'm probably winning anyways, so the CN Tower is inconsequential since I'll just rush the techs for spaceship parts and build those.
>338911290
MASSIVELY
it's a new engine
no new civ engine since 4 in 2004
new AI and more moddable than V
>>338921006
No fuck you and fuck sid, half the fun in the game is building wonders out the ass and marveling at your jacked cities.
>>338915979
>implying that's not exactly why they took desert faith
AI are cunts.
>>338921227
>smug shitposting over babbys first 4x game
Civ is great because it appeals to everyone, don't be a dickhead.
>>338921132
Excellent
>>338921159
I mean wide with decent city placement and fighting over expansion.
>>338921297
I don't understand why they can't do their own game instead of trying to ruin yours.
![sid-meiers-civilization-v-8564[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/28DZ6IX.jpg "sid-meiers-civilization-v-8564[1].jpg")
>>338921168
Civ VI doesn't either. It needs less improvements to look good than Civ V needed.
>>338917102
>The Green Mana isn't Pot
Literally wasted potential for the one creative stoner joke.
>>338921224
>people call finding effective strategies a "min max shit show"
and there's a big difference between playing the best in the cirumcstances you're given and rigging on the odds in your favour
>>338921346cuck
>>338921227
Immortal's good because it's bullshit, but not too bullshit. You can play Civs like Venice and the Iroquois in it and still do fine.
