>People will actually play Samurais in For Honor
Can't wait to see your shitty sword break against my glorious plate armor while I crush your head with half swording
I don't get it though.
Why did people in the past wear armor if the swords still kept doing horrible shit to the wearer? Wear armor, move clunkier than the terminator and then get stabbed with no problem by some dickfaced opponent knight
Then bullets appeared and people finally realized how horribly obsolete armors really are against weapons, and gave up on using them.
Can't even fucking defend properly against iron/steel-tiped arrows baka
what the fuck did you just say about my people?
*unsheathes katana*
>>338850461
your dum
>>338850532
*teleports behind you*
*unzips dick*
>>338850461
Really? You can't figure out how wearing a suit of armor increased your odds of surviving a sword fight?
and armor still is used. it's called kevlar bud.
The age of the weaboos is over, now the age of the knight-aboos has begun
>>338850461
Swords couldn't penetrate a knight's full armour unless you stabbed them with a reasonably pointed style of sword
They could slice down the hordes of dirty commoners in gambesons and leather jackets for armour
>>338850461
>Then bullets appeared and people finally realized how horribly obsolete armors really are against weapons
turning point was battle of agincourt i think.
You've disrespected the bushido code my friend. It's time for you to meet your maker! haha just kidding, he doesn't exist.
*unsheathes anime themed katana*
>>338850758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDnKciXrmnc
>>338850532
Something about the house in the background makes this picture especially hilarious.
>tfw legitimately love all kinds of swords and armor but still like Japanese swords slightly more
>can't say I like them anymore without armchair historians and edgeposters ganging up on me
I know they're not great swords, but they're cool.
>Samurai tries to defect a long sword blow
>Their shitanna shatters
Samurai fags when will they learn
>>338850461
armor is still being used retard
>Its a knights bros thread
>>338850461
bullets predate firearms retard
>>338851143
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who doesn't autistically lean in one direction or the other when it comes to katanas. I collect swords, and katanas look sweet on display.
>>338853128
>I collect swords
BIG
>>338853280
EUROPEAN
>>338850835
>mom do I look cool already?
>>338851143
Don't believe the euroboos, they ARE good swords. These guys are so insecure they can't see a katana without having a stroke.
>>338853401
SWORDS
>>338853128
Katanas only look good when part of a matching set.
I think cavalry sabres make the best ornaments though.
Are knight-fags the new Katana enthusiasts?
>>338853704
Really? I prefer it the other way around. Euro swords look a bit awkward to me by themselves, while Asian swords look pretty nice just on a shelf stand or something.
>>338851143
Maybe if you weren't a fucking weeb
>>338853797
Yes
![c29152gn4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/88kc6ou.jpg "c29152gn4[1].jpg")
>>338853851
I think Euro swords look best hung on a wall vertically where as katanas look best like pic related.
As for cavalry sabres I think they're best as a pair on a plaque crossed.
>For Honor
Boy I can't wait for the entire lobbies full of nothing but female samurai
>>338853475
They are perfectly acceptable slashing weapons, but there is nothing at all special about them.
Pic related does what katanas do better.
>people will actually buy a Ubisoft game in 2016
>>338854294
>he's not becoming a qt female samurai
Germans did the katana better by virtue of not living in Japan and using substandard materials
>>338850758
>agincourt
>the legendary battle where arrows won everything was the turning point for bullets
Really?
How can Samurais even compete?
>>338854617
>>338850758
Mud won Agincourt. French knight got stuck in it. Its still debated just how effective the English longbows were, but it certainly was no turning point as plate armor would continue to be used regulatory for another 200 or so years.
>>338854617
seems like a pretty good proof of concept for bullets
>>338850187
>People play samurais for honor
>Katanas are shit
>When they could, they switched to firearms ("for honor")
>Samurai plate armor is shit
>Samurai raped, castrated and beheaded their enemies to shame them
>Hagakure was created to stop Samurai from defiling the country
>>338854534
Truth
>>338853460
Don't talk shit, his mom is clearly a sweetheart. I'd cuddle her in the butt.
>>338850187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gqg_B4bM5o
>>338855070
>B-But muh samurais are the most honourable and greatest warriors ever!!!
t.uneducated weaboo
>Yfw your friends collect katanas
>>338850187
Katan's can literally cut through anything that isn't another katana you fucking moron. Katana is the strongest material known to mankind, that's why they build aeroplane blackboxes out of katanas.
>>338854534
>Blunt crossguard and one-and-a-half pommeled grip.
Just as retarded as the ching-chongs desu.
>>338855150
Can't see shit, who won ?
>>338851664
>smells amazing
yeah, no, 5k km on foot by thousands people that washed last time 3 years ago
>>338850187
>For Honor
>Nioh
WEEBS REJOICE
>>338855150
Not trying to defend him, but kenjutsufags rarely practice free sparring for some dumb reason, and it shows. The HEMA guy had a much better sense of timing and distance.
>>338855328
>>338855256
is that a replication of Tizona
>tfw nobody cares about Vikings
B-but muh Odin
>>338855150
>all those dislikes
>>338854617
yeah, first time in big battle people shot bows straight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxHYQW2Nio
>>338855717
Honestly wouldn't have a clue, my Grandfather gave it to me years ago, got it forged in Toledo.
>>338855150
jesus, the knight is dirty as fuck
>>338850187
So is For Honor basically a AAA Chivalry: Deadliest Warrior?
>>338850461
Plate armour has never existed without firearms existing.
>>338855670
Katanas weren't made for parrying, thats why Samurai needed to *teleport behind you*
>>338855843
i get the impression it is, especially since it was forged in spain
>>338855985
Certainly looks the part. Thanks for letting me know. If only I knew a thing about maintaining it.
>>338854804
Guns at the time could in no way match the accuracy and armor piercing of bows
>>338855934
misconception, there is technique that let's parry with the back of the blade
actually used in battle/duels blades have a lot of marks on a back of it, also chipped blades because your life is more important than a sword
>>338855843
>Toledo
Patrician taste. Tizona and Colada were the swords wielded by Rodrigo DÃaz de Vivar "el campeador". Also known as Cid.
>>338856120
just clean it for rust every once in a while, that's all you really have to do
>>338856194
meant for >>338854830
>>338856228
Thats actually pretty interesting.
>>338856275
How about sharpening? The blade had to be filed down a bit after bringing it into Australia in the 50-60s.
>>338856230
He always told me the place was famous for it's steel, gonna need to read up on El Cid.
>>338855883
If you're referring to the constant movement, guard switching, and feints, this is how they are trained and how the manuals dictate they should fight. You'll never see a HEMA fighter stand stock still like in Kenjutsu
>>338850187
>Katanas
>No polearms and longbows
>Or even firearms
lmaoing at your life
>>338856228
>your life is more important than a sword
t. no honor peasantu
>>338850187
>playing For Honor
>what are kanabos
>what are spears
>>338856567
you don't need to sharpen it if it's a wall hanger but you can if you want to
how dull is the edge now
>>People will actually play For Honor
>>338850187
It really is a fucking stupid matchup. The Knights are way the fuck past both the vikings and samurai technologically. It's purely rule of cool horse shit and it irritates my autism.
Having it be like Crusaders vs Mongols or some other cool shit would have been great. Something contemporary. Samurai were outfitted to fight other Samurai, and not much else. Isolated Japan had some weird metagame going on there. Vikings didn't have anything like plate and their steel is vastly inferior.
>>338856952
Not razor sharp or anything, but there's still somewhat of an edge.
>weebs jack off to katana
>when tachi saw more action
>>338853797
Knightfags might be rather annoying but they still don't reach the obsessive level of delusion vikingfags reach.
>muh pattern-welded swords
EXACTLY the same kind of shit as "muh glorious katana folded 百万 times".
The point is they all suck. You need to be objective.
>>338850461
Because they fucking didn't. A sword does nothing to armour unless you hit the joints. The goal will always, in a fight, to not be hit in the first place regardless. Using FULL plate armour makes you into a walking tank. The weaknesses are the eyeslits, the joints and whatnot. This is what resulted in the halfswording fedorables shit for more flexibility with the sword. Inb4 some twat talks about le mordschlag xDDD
>Viking fighting tactics
>Literally just flail at each other until you hit someone
>>338856567
do not try to sharpen it yourself, also keep it in machine or gun oil,
take a cloth and cover blade in oil with it
>>338857131
Yeah they should've added gladiators.
>>338857164
that's good
it shouldn't be hard to resharpen then
>>338857451
>the least relevant fighter to world history
they also should add wrestlers and sumo fighters then
>>338856567
"El cantar del Mio Cid" is written in an old form of spanish poetry, I hope you can find a decent translation. It's great though and is an important part of Spanish culture.
>>338854385
Katana were a status symbol. Extreme bullshit had to be gone through to make them, and only certain social castes were allowed to touch them. They were the absolute symbol of the men who carried them. That's why their iconography survived, as well as the techniques to use them.
Also, people tend to forget that these things were likely to be used unarmored, on someone else who's unarmored. It's all about the draw cuts. There was a huge arsenal of traditional weapons in Japan, just like Europe. They had spears, bows, clubs, hooks on poles, all the same kinds of shit that Europe had. Katana just get so debated about because their symbolism survived due to the reverence that Jap culture placed on it.
>>338855328
>Aeroplane
>>338857603
You just outed yourself as a troll. congrats.
>>338857421
he can resharpen it, it's fine
unless it was an antique
>>338850461
it made it significantly harder for another person with a sword to kill you because them slashing/bashing at you with the blade of the sword wouldn't be as effective.the answer was that they'd attempt to stab eachother through the creases in the armor like the visor.
although getting bashed in a suit of armor would send vibrations through your armor and eventually knock the wind out of you. especially half-swording and taking blunt force to your helmet
>>338857258
>>338850187
I think this would be my weapon of choice. This and maybe a spear.
>>338853797
Yes. The halfswording enthusiast should hang themselves.
>>338857295
this really. And moreover, a 1v1 is ridiculous because circumstances arouind soldiers equipment and fighting techniques is based on what they in turn have to fight and counter.
>>338850835
>It's time for you to meet your maker! haha just kidding, he doesn't exist.
lel nice touch
Samurai were all faggots.
>>338857645
I'll definitely check it out.
>>338857421
>>338857458
Thanks, will start oiling it, got some weeb friends that oil their katanas weekly lol. But yeah I may just leave the edge as is, got some friend that took an angle grinder to his antique WW2 officer sword and I can't help but cringe every time he asks me if I want him to do the same.
>>338857357
If you are going to wear a suit of armor thick enough to make you a "walking tank" you aren't going to be doing much running around. Some chink said that speed is the essence of war and that hold true even today.
>>338851143
the fact you posted an anime girl invalidates your statement. if you posted a samurai i wouldn't have made fun of you. but you didn't. so im still gonna call you a weeaboo faggot that worships one of the most poorly developed/innovated swords in existence
>>338855070
>Hagakure was created
But the Hagakure was just a bunch of conversations between a master and retainer recorded over years, and 90% of it didn't even make it into the released translation because it's about mundane, bean-counting shit like the weather, trade, how crops are doing, ect. The philosophical bits were cherrypicked out of the translation. The full work is much, much fucking longer and more boring.
Why people think it was some kind of code of conduct that everyone carried around with them, I don't fucking understand. I guess it's just fun to shitpost when you don't know what you're talking about.
Also, the warrior class in every culture did the same shit. The Seven Samurai has a whole scene of a dude venting about how Samurai are complete pieces of shit and how helpless farmers feel trying to live their lives when these fuckers could ride up and do whatever they want at any given time. Japan knows that they were fucking dicks. Yet they still romanticize the ideal of their philosophy just like we idealize knights and cowboys in the west, even though the vast majority of these groups were likely god awful people.
>>338850187
Why can't anyone simply state their preference for Samurai/Katana over Western stuff without being called a delusional weeb?
>>338850187
>all that shit talk
>oh shite a crossbow
Fucking gold.
>>338858056
if you sharpen it by hand it'll take longer but you have a lot more control over it
though it won't even take that long if the edge is as sharp as you say
>>338850187
Op here is what you're forgetting. While samurai swords were slashing weapons there are incredibly heavy and would work just as well as a blunt object. It doesn't matter if armor stops the blade, it's still going to cause concussions and break bones.
Not to mention SWORDS were not the primary weapon of japanese soldiers.
>>338850758
>what is dragonscale ceramic plated level 3a bulletproof armor
The thing about modern day armor is it's incredibly fucking heavy even compared to full plate armor. A modern day soldier can wear it, but only for little bits at a time. As in, ride into the battlefield, do their objective, ride out. Armor isn't going to be worth the effort in a full blown scale war like ww2 where troops marched hundreds of miles and held thin lines for months at a time.
Fatigue and passing out from a heat stroke don't exactly make a soldier combat effective.
>>338853797
I bet you hate rapiers too
>>338858108
Yeah if youre a gladiator maybe but not on a battlefield you mongrel
As someone who played the Beta, Samurai are hugely overpowered. They have poison darts that rip through health, and poison swords that do as well and they're faster than anyone else. They are seriously overpowered and their poison needs a nerf by the time the game comes out.
>>338858108
It protects your body, I'd rather have that than anything. It's not as heavy as you think and it's not a LITERAL tank.
>>338858278
Wrong, samurai swords were too brittle to be used as clubs. It's true that modern day forging techniques would probably allow you to make a sword that mimics the feel of a katana while enabling techniques like half swording due to better materials, but that defeats the point of the samurai vs knight argument.
>>338858238
WHAT NOW NOBLEKEKS?
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE KILLED BY A COMMONER. FUCKING LOL
>>338855645
Yup, Kenjutsu is full of perfectly valid techniques, and it likely would have looked just as brutal and meaty as HEMA in actual practice on the battlefield.
But Japs have sticks up their asses about actually practicing arts. It's all about repeating form a million times and having good stance, discipline, and spirit. All of which are important to the preservation of the art, but they seem to not give a shit about the whole, you know, "doing it" aspect.
>>338858254
Would you recommend any sort of sharpening stone/technique? Or shall I just do some research.
>>338858548
first thing you need to know sharpening a knife and a sword is two very different things
so yeah, start with research
>>338851219
>>338851143
Yeah no shit katanas would have been garbage against European knights, they were used in a different part of the world for a different purpose. IIRC in battle they were used as a last ditch effort, like a soldier's knife. You would be using a much longer weapon or a bow most of the time and would not want someone that close to you. Also this may trigger weebs but a huge plus is how fucking easy the swords are to use. Very low skill floor and can cut as you draw. Would it have stood a chance against the ol' sword n' board? No. But it's neat as fuck and peasants were scared shitless of them
>>338858395
>MAI HONORABU WARRIA CULTURE
>Uses poison
>>338858395
>Knights and samurais fighting each other
>Devs make Samurais overpowered because "muh nippon steel that has been folded over 6 gorrilion times"
Dead on release
>>338855396
Cuz you're a master swordsman.
>>338850461
>move clunkier than the terminator
When will this retarded meme stop
Could plate armor be penetrated if you stabbed with a katana? I feel like that's the only chance you'd have fighting a knight with a katana.
>>338858548
use a whetstone, sharpen the edge evenly so go down one way then the other, that's the most important thing, you don't have to sharpen the back edge if you don't want to but you can
definitely look into it before you do anything though
>>338858728
The Nip's bigass cavalry swords are fun to look at.
I wish we had more games and anime based around spear and bow users.
>>338857258
Yup. HEMA has revealed that weapon arts, just like hand-to-hand arts, are all the same goddamned shit, and there are only so many things you can do with the same physiology. There's some interesting shit that the Japs did like the iaido draw-cutting and that kind of shit, but as far as actually fighting your opponent who's also armed, it's going to go down the same as anywhere else in the world.
>>338858815
Yes, technically.
>>338858815
yes, same way as with longsword, katanas are surprisingly good stabbers for it's point
but you wouldn't be able to penetrate good plate with anything, at least not at enough capacity to harm or incapacitate someone
>>338858815
Yea, a stab or you charge up your mega ultra oni kenobi slash and cut through them in one fell swoop, like butter.
>>338858708
>>338858854
Thanks Anons. God I'm glad I didn't bring this to /k/
>>338858889
that's odachi, its garbage
tachi are nice, they are proper sabers
katana is like a middle ground between saber and a sword
>>338859104
to be fair /k/ barely ever talks about melee weapons
So speaking as someone who has researched the subject of Medieval and Renaissance armor and arms I was intrigued to see this thread on 4chan and in a video game forum to boot....which is very, very cool....I'll one of the questions posed earlier: "Why did people in the past wear armor if the swords still kept doing horrible shit to the wearer?"... the answer is that the design of armor over time evolved to meet the ever advancing weapon technology of the time....different weapons caused armorers to create new types of armor to protect knights and soldiers better...armor became more and more utilitarian and easily mass produced by the 16th and 17th Century and did in fact protect against guns more or less (not so much cannons though)...interesting fact is that the military use of armor has really never went away...our military still use it...one of the classic examples would be the iconic U.S. Army infantry helmet from the Second World War...the United States Army went to the historians and curators of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Department of Arms and Armor and asked them to design a helmet that would stop bullets from the the current weapons of the day...the experts based the infantry helmet on the Sallet, a type of medieval helmet.
>>338858728
Yup. The Katana was not much of a battlefield weapon. It's actual role, besides status symbol, was kind of an sidearm. Carry it around town, use it to settle disputes, super-fast draw-cuts, ect. When you're all armored up and mounted, it doesn't have much of a role at all. They had plenty of other weapons for actual war.
>>338850692
>knight-aboos
>not kniggers
step it up
>my face people perpetuate the "rapiers are unmanly and dex weapons" meme
>despite rapiers having practically the same weight, while only being able to be used in a single hand while you can use both of your hands with a longsword
>>338859175
>>that's odachi, its garbage
wat da fuk did u just say m8 i will rek ur shet i swear on me mum
>>338858472
>Wrong, samurai swords were too brittle
Don't be an idiot, this "myth" is just as bad as the "CUT THROUGH ANYTHING" bullshit.
Japanese blades were hardened and especially thick compared to western swords. Hitting an armored soldier isn't exactly GOOD for the sword but it's not going to break.
Samurai dueling after their who clan war shit changed dramatically during peace time. This is where all the "japanese honor" bullshit came into being from all these bored as fuck philosophers, poets, and writers decided to make it all up. One of which being that the katana was not a parrying sword and the shouldn't touch in combat.
>>338859250
for the 200 years after the war it was actual and very effective weapon though
it's like rapier in europe
>>338859089
>>338859071
>>338859030
You can punch through plate with a tipped point but the problem is getting enough force, AND doing it a good angle. In a fight, the chance of getting a perfect cut or stab isn't as high as when practicing on, you know, dead pigs and shit. But there's never just plate. There's leather too, and then there's padding and clothing and shit.
>>338858812
man humans are so fucking metal
tired of getting our shit kicked in by sharp shit? better construct IRON SKIN for ourselves
>>338858812
This is HALF true.
Tell that guy to keep that up in a battle that lasts all day. See how quickly he passes out after half an hour.
>Japanese warfare
>AYY LMAO FOLDED A MIRRION TIMES
>No one ever talks about their polearms and bow
>>338857838
Best tactic coming through.
>>338859525
Katana destroys leather though
>>338859391
I like their anti-horse swords, but I sadly seem to have lost my pic
>>338859614
naginata is cool
I think it has chinese roots
>>338859586
The armor makes very little difference, most humans can only last 10 or 15 mins in pitched battle before getting tired. Also Samuari armor was more encumbering then European Plate, so much so that they could not use certain sword techniques with it on.
>>338859614
No one ever talks about that shit because it's boring.
Despite spears, polearms, and literal rocks were the most common weapons throughout all of human history until guns came into play.
>>338859453
>Japanese blades were hardened and especially thick compared to western swords
see >>338855670
>>338859586
Most men at arms weren't some bent out of shape cunt and actually ate real food all their life and practiced or so they say.
>>338850187
>caring about Ubisoft games
It's going to come back and bite you in the ass.
>>338850461
>Full armor
>Slow and clunky
Maybe if your three hundred pound ass was wearing armor. A trained knight in the peak of fitness would hardly be slowed down by it. I'd bet ten bucks that someone that has actively trained in full armor could chase your ass down and tackle you while suited up
>>338859849
>cheap coldsteel pseudo aktana
I'd like to see a video where they hit actual nihonto for ~20k USD
>>338859614
Naginata are pretty cool weapons and I wished they were featured in more games.
And firearms, too. I hate how many people think samurai didn't use guns because muh honor when they actually fielded huge amounts of guns during the Sengoku era.
>this game will be a 100% Realistic guys!
mfw
>>338859769
A lot of japanese polearms are rad, that's what's irritating about the Souls series. A lot of Katana circlejerking, not a whole lot of the rest, at least DS2 had a Nagamaki in the DLC.
>>338859719
>Katana destroys leather though
First, get through the plate. And it dependson the cut. Moreover I hope you know physics and realize that a hit having to puncture through so many surfaces will significantly dampen.
>>338859586
Well duh, he'd probably pass out after half an hour even if he wasn't wearing armor
>>338858395
>Cane bro lied to us
DROPPED
>>338859480
I know. The meme that they weren't dangerous weapons is exactly that, a meme. They were no fucking joke if it came down to a bunch of assholes in Kimonos stirring up shit, you didn't want to fuck with the trained man with a weapon.
There was some douchebag mentioned in the Hagakure who had his wallet stolen in town. He drew his katana and chopped down 10 fucking peasants that were in his general area to make sure he got the thief, because he didn't know who took it. This took place in about 20 seconds. Peasants were scared shitless of them for a reason.
>>338859586
Train, train, train. People seem to dislike factoring training into these sorts of things. You have to build the endurance up so that when the time comes, you have it. I hate it when people do "experiments" to try and separate historical fact from fiction, and discount things because their skinnyfat asses couldn't do it after trying one or two times.
>>338858812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
>>338859967
Archery was part of the their usual training iirc, the MUH HONOR shit is highly romanticized at times. It's pretty much the same thing as the ideal Wild West of legend.
>>338859967
Samurai practically had a fetish for firearms. They fucking loved that shit. They starting making their own right away and Matchlocks were still very common among them when Americans forced them out of isolation.
>>338859769
>could have naginatas and shit
>only option in Souls is a WASUINGU PORU or normal spears and pikes
>>338860089
Is there anywhere in the world where it DIDN'T suck to be a peasant among weapon bearing aristocrats?
>>338857258
In my experience (medieval fencing and kendo) this is somehow true, but people who practice medieval fencing are a bunch of lard-asses who can't run a mile without having a heart attack while kendokas (the ones that participate at internacional tournaments) despide weebs and neckbeards, and kick 'em out of dojos just by forcing them to train like normal people.
>>338858278
>Armor isn't going to be worth the effort in a full blown scale war like ww2 where troops marched hundreds of miles and held thin lines for months at a time.
But that's not how a modern war would be fought.
>>338859785
>The armor makes very little difference, most humans can only last 10 or 15 min
You realize the battle starts way way way before actual fighting though right?
The logistics of the armor is a nightmare. I don't care how much you train. If you're body heat is trapped inside several layers of cloth, leather, chain and plates once you reach 105 degrees you're passing out.
hence a bunch of knights stuck in mud will have been exhausted before the fighting even starts.
Im not really talking about east vs west just the downfalls of heavy armor. Sure someone can jump around like a tard for a few minutes to show how nimble you CAN be is not realistic. Tell the guy to walk a few miles first and then show how nimble he can be in armor vs out of armor.
>>338859849
The modern representation of what a katana is actually isn't accurate to the battlefield weapons that were actually carried. They were thicker, heavier chunks of steal than a lot of the really fucking pretty art pieces that survived the years. The modern reproductions that are made aren't based off anything that would have seen real war. The steal would still be brittle, but the mass and blade geometry would be different.
>>338860338
But plate was lighter than wearing full armour but chain like the knights in the 12th century. Seriously, people wore armour for a long fucking time. If it was so ineffective as you say, it would not be used.
>>338860025
Black Knight Halberd is Naginata as fuck
>>338859861
Seriously though are you retarded?
Like actually retarded. It doesn't matter how "totally in shape you are." when you're having a heat stroke. Being fit doesn't mean your organs function differently when you core temperature reaches 105f
>>338859243
Thats very interensting.
Weapon/Armor threads aren't unusual on /v/. A lot of people decide to pickup a game based on how cool the armor is.
Same for firearms.
>>338860264
Noooope. It was legal for Samurai to just kill peasants for not showing proper respect. Knights chased them around on horseback for sport sometimes. Similar shit probably happened in China (did they have a special, iconic warrior class?).
Life is always awful when you have nothing, and there's nothing preventing those born into money from fucking with you.
>>338860338
If I remember Capwell right, actually it's not that hot, it has this more clothes in a desert keeps you colder effect
Also only english full plate knights fought on foot. Everyone else in the world were on horses.
Man at arms didn't have FULL plate, it was rather complicated mish-mash for whole army.
>>338860264
Western Europe from the 11th-15th century really wasn't as awful for peasants as it is often made out. Notable exception during Plague outbreaks though, but if you survived them those were best times to be a peasant. Unprecedented social mobility, high wages, and even bargaining power.
>>338859849
>not the same swords
>hit at a single point opposed to broad surface of say a knights head
it's the difference of high heels or stepping on an individual nail instead of a hundred at once.
>>338860338
Modern firefighting gear is heavier than plate.
>>338860185
thanks senpai
>>338860584
> chinese iconic warrior class
nah, shaolin monks? plenty of schools etc.
they weren't segregated into warrior cast
>>338860612
Except clothing in desert works differently than clothing in europe. Last I checked it rains a whole lot there and the humidity is considerably higher than a desert.
>>338860761
Shit the modern gear that US marines use in fucking Afghanistan is heavier and hotter then plate was
>>338855670
>nobody ever posts .gif with a samurai cutting steel helmet in half
>>338860654
Well it would obviously depend on where you lived. As a peasant, you were at the bottom of the social ladder. If your lord was a cunt then you were fucked I think. But life could be comfortable I imagine.
>>338860537
Thing is, you'd be constantly in physical activity. Running around on the battlefield would be just more physical activity you were trained for.
>>338850461
>If armor has any weak points it's worthless
>It can't even hold up to iron tipped arrows
The guy in full armor is going to take way more arrows before going down then the guy in a felt tunic. Sure, one well aimed arrow that strikes straight onto the plate will punch through it but it will deflect or break ones coming in at an angle or from a long distance.
Armor was a thing because it was effective. Not perfect, but a guy in armor lasts longer then a guy without.
>>338860863
well, that's what THE armor dude said
>>338860893
This is why I don't get why people still think wearing plate was this god awful, "can't fight for more than 15 minutes" shit. Our boys overseas carry that shit way farther. They're likely much better hydrated, but still. People can carry that load, and fight, in horrible heat. It just sucks.
>>338860761
modern fire fighters don't wear full gear the entire time. When they do it's only for short bursts and do have problems with heat exhaustion.
It's not NEARLY the fucking same as combat. Fucking christ you people are stretching it pretty thin there.
>>338861234
full plate - 20kg
full US marine gear - 32kg(~?)
>>338858108
Common misconception, plate armour wasn't nearly as cumbersome as we've been lead to believe. If you could afford it and were going to be anywhere near the front line, you wore that shit and would be extremely foolish not to. Not only did it render slashing useless (save for the blunt force applied to you), but it also prevented minor cuts and scrapes that would have been in danger of turning into a nasty infection or something that would have been fairly likely to kill you back then compared to now when we don't even worry about that shit.
Could a knight take on the Japanese baseball bat of death? Didn't think so.
>>338859967
Because now it's associated more with women
>Nips actually teached their women to defend themselves when they were away at war
>Eurocucks only teached the to spread their legs
to the fucking nords
>>338861558
Wasn't it found out that it only slightly dented Spartan armour?
>>338858815
Probably, but there's no way in hell it would really do anything; it would take a huge effort on your part to push that shot through plate, and even then it would barely get through, and be useless by the time it got to the gambeson and chainmail. You simply wouldn't use a slashing blade like that against a Euro knight.
>>338858889
Yeah their spearlike weapons were dope as fuck
>>338861635
Hit someone hard enough and it could probably do a lot more.
What if you put a fuckton of armor on someone? It's gonna be heavy but just make it move on it's own.
If it can move on it's own, might as well put a huge weapon on it!
https://youtu.be/TWiaRhQDZFE
>>338859453
I've basically only ever read the exact opposite about blade comparisons; katanas were slimmer and made with shittier metals the Japanese had access to, and weren't developed in constant arms race between armour and weapons trying to one up each other like in Europe. They weren't made in a place where plate armour existed and were not made to handle such a thing.
>>338862102
>That lad getting thrown to the ground instantly
Kniggers win again
>>338862102
>the blood on the Japanese guy's head during the award ceremony
This looks like a lot of fun actually.
Also it's hilarious how every multicultural combat video will inevitably have tons of dislikes.
>>338850187
>while I crush your head with half swording
I'm not sure that you know what half-swording is...
Do you mean mordhau, where you hold the blade and basically bludgeon the opponent with the guard or pommel?
>>338861628
Wasn't the Egyptians the ones with actual equal rights for both women and men?
>>338860970
>Running around on the battlefield would be just more physical activity you were trained for.
Ask any marine how effective they are with their 60 pounds of gear they carry into patrols. It fuckin hinders them greatly and has an incredibly toll on their effectiveness in combat.
knights armor is 50 pounds average, 6 pounds helmet, and probably around 7 pounds for weapons (main weapon + side weapon for parry). Plus underarmor and chainmail beneath that. Plus water and anything else.
It's going to have a huge impact on effectiveness and tired out the wearer much sooner Their movements are going to be "tank like" to preserve stamina and keep their body heat low.
>>338859719
hmm
watch out brother, there is a chink in your armor
>>338862067
You're thinking backwards.
First you build a weapon, then figure out how to move it.
>>338862537
Also did Aztecs in most areas, except those related to warfare. Even their education and slavery system was far better than others
>>338861469
>adjusts numbers to make them more extreme
20kg isn't even on the lower end man. Average is 50pounds. 32kg for a marine in a combat patrol is way way too much.
You can't just change shit to fit your argument.
For Honor looks like shit desu.
>>338860252
>>338860025
>What is the Black Knight Halberd/Glaive
>>338850187
What even happen to this game? We heard literally next to nothing about it since E3
>>338862976
>It has Nordshits
Of course it's going to be shit
>>338862835
Aztec civilatzion sounds kind of rad if you talk the utrareligious blood sacrifice aspect out of it. They fucking built a city in a lake that's fucking amazing.
>>338863163
>muh vikings were cool
>>338861635
Football players get concussions all the time. That weapon would rock the shit out of a knights head.
>>338863183
>if you talk the utrareligious blood sacrifice aspect out of it
Huitzilopochtli was a mistake, worst Tezcatlipoca.
Pic related is best boy
>>338850461
>>338862526
There's a league in Poland that does 20v20, but watching 1v1 is more entertaining. I'm sure it's fun but fucking painful.
>>338862683
It's distributed throughout the body, it won't be comparable to a marine with backpack and the whole kahoot.
>>338863307
And a mace or maul would crack open a samurais skull through their armor. The club isnt exactly a huge advantage.
>>338860025
Dark Souls 3 has hardly any good katana. Most people use polearms, longswords or rapiers (estoc)
>>338863009
BKH/G is just vaguely Asian, I want the good shit, they should have brought Syan's Spear back it's basically a Kamayari. A Kanabo, or some dual sickles and peasantry weapons for a ninja build.
>>338862286
>katanas were slimmer and made with shittier metals the Japanese had access t
That's because what you're reading are of forums of a bunch of butt hurt euro fags trying to counter the "mirrion fordering" and "cut through anything" weeaboo faggots.
Just two opposite extremes where neither were true.
Why the fuck would the japanese use weapons that would break upon parry? Seriously, just use some critical thinking here and try not to listen to people trying to win an argument.
Japanese blades and bows were great as were western weapons. There's a reason they stayed around for so long.
Just like platemail was good for combat. But I don't care how fucking nimble they are they still carried 70+ pounds of equipment and literally no one is going to be dancing around in that. They are going to tired out and run the risk of literally dying from over exertion.
Armor is though to be "tank like" not because of it's physical articulation but because it's wearer needs to conserve energy. It's like a long distance runner isn't going to be sprinting from the start.
>>338862503
The knight guy is fucking TWICE the size of the other guy.
>>338863465
>That Finnish lad who got paralyzed because he got dropkicked in the spine
>>338863519
You sure, all I hear about Katanas is good things and salt. 2kats is supposed to be fun with a Lucky build and Chaos Blade still packs a punch.
>>338855736
Maybe because we dont have much news about the viking classes...Danm I just want more news about the game
>>338863763
so you're saying Samurais are manlets?
LEL KNIGGERS WIN AGAIN
>>338863476
marines don't fight with their backpacks on man.
That weight is from their body armor, helmets, ammo, water, and weapon.
>>338850461
In WW1, soldiers got issued helmets about halfway through the war to protect them against shelling. Their injury rates went up 500 %!!! People thought that was some bullshitactually, those who would've been killed survived. That's why 500 % more SURVIVED
Armour is handy. Period.
>>338863163
>>338863259
I like vikings, I mean they were my ancestors, but the entire game is just a charicature of what knights, samurais or vikings were. It just seems crappy.
>>338860312
Not him, but how would a modern war between two major technological powers play out? I get the feeling that foot soldiers would be fairly obsolete.
>>338863887
And their xbox, doriotes hershey's cookies and crea, 2 boxes of crispy cream and six pack of heinken. Anything else?
>>338863965
Well Vikings were pretty shit tier. Their fighting style is just flailing and hoping you hit them
>>338860185
>Le
Fuck off
>>338864057
What, in-game? Because if you're talking about in reality that's pretty fucking retarded.
>>338864227
kek
>>338864028
A war between two equally powerful countries is not going to happen.
As for strong vs weak, just check usa vs iraq.
>>338860008
>said no one
>>338850461
It wasn't because armor wasn't effective, it was a logistical issue. Armor was just too expensive to arm every soldier with, you see a transition from full plate to munition plate in this period.
>>338864057
Vikings always got their shit pushed in against any forced that wasn't untrained poorly armed peasants.
>>338863769
>2kats
Oh yeah forgot about those, they are decent
Chaos blade is meh. Other weapons have better reach/do more damage/have better weapon arts and don't hurt you each swing.
People rage about katanas in DaS3, because you can find one right at the start of the game. If you combine it with a fire gem as starting gift, you can steamroll through the first part of the game. It's the new drakesword.
>>338864278
In real life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFiIDl_mt2c go to 2:29
>>338864057
Who need fighting style when you're literally bigger and stronger then the next guy?
And don't try to say that shit stupid because it worked literally for centuries
>>338864342
That's not true. The Vikings tv show says otherwise.
>>338863626
I get why you'd assume that's where I'm getting my information, but that's not the case. I'm not saying they would snap or whatever on a parry, but they were flashy, last ditch weapons on the battlefield and status symbols made to juice peasants and other (relatively) unarmoured opponents on their isolated island as quickly as possible, compared to the longswords made to withstand wear on a front line with continuous use, against opponents who may be rich enough to have plate armour, which is the same reason your point about "tanklike" movement resulting from a need to conserve energy over what could be a lengthy engagement is such a good one. I don't think we're disagreeing about anything at this point, I do think katanas were also very cool for other reasons like their cultural significance and really neat stuff like the drawing cut, and how they benefit greatly from being very easy to use.
>>338859659
>>338864437
You're basing your retarded theory on one video where they're not trying to kill eachother? By your logic then the knight duels where guys slam eachother over and over again proves that knights were unskilled warriors.
Samurais=manlets
Knights=Tall, handsome patricians
>>338864342
>Vikings always got their shit pushed in against any forced that wasn't untrained poorly armed peasants.
You know, except for the times they conquered kingdoms in England and Russia.
>>338863492
I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm just saying that jap club would still be effective
>>338864496
>When they took on Saxons thrice their numbers and won
>>338864301
I know it wouldn't, I'm just speaking hypothetically.
>>338860312
>>338864028
Man what the fuck are you guys going on about?
How do you expect to hold any sort of territory without foot soldiers? Like seriously.
Do you honestly think armor and air are going to be the only fucking fighters in a modern war? You realize that tech of china, russia, and the USA all have their own counter measures for taking out tanks and air fighters. A chopper isn't going to be able to just sit around mowing down goat fuckers like they do in iraq and afghanistan. They would become high priority targets and get blasted out of the sky within a minute of showing up. Same thing for tanks.
The only possible way armor is effective is with foot soldier support. Abrams and apaches are incredibly fucking expensive and there simply aren't enough of them to fill an entire military force.
The US has around 12,000 aircraft where not all of them are combat. And only 9000 tanks or so. You are looking at only 21,000 pieces of ground armor and air/
A modern war would have tens of millions of soldier combatants.
Do the math you fucking tards.
>>338864726
So would a large rock.
Also I hoped anyone looking for realism in this game know they ain't getting any. Armor might was well be paper dresses in this game.
>>338864917
Is there any game that does armor well? All I can think of is Mount and Blade where plate makes you nearly immune to arrows.
