What is it about snipers that attracts the worst players ever? It happened in CSGO, it happened in TF2, it happens in Overwatch, and I assume it happens in other games as well. And snipers, unlike other classes, require precision aim, making them useless if you suck.
only one way you can get better
Is that Taki?
>>338728356
Because one has so much game changing ability that it becomes almost a requirement. So it makes them feel like special snowflakes when they're in such a game carrying role. Honestly the idea of a long range instant kill weapon like the sniper rifle that can't be countered by anything other than ANOTHER sniper rifle user is the worst shit for anyone other than sniperfags. Yet they keep doing it. I don't know why, no one fucking likes having to deal with snipers other than sniperfags.
They want to be MLG epick noscoperz. Also instakills.
I think it's just the OHK weapon and the fact you can hide out of range. It feels easy and low risk, even though these people suck at sniping.
You're totally missing something OP:
>What is it about snipers that attracts the worst players ever?
>And snipers, unlike other classes, require precision aim, making them useless if you suck.
Don't you see it?
Snipers are the class wherein you can most easily see whether a player sucks. They aren't any more attractive to sucky players.
It's because everyone wants to be the epic high k/d mlg hero, yet Sniper is the role that can ruin a team if played improperly as you can end up playing a 5v6.
People like to snipe and get kills but most don't understand how to play a sniper in a team context.
Because they want to play as the sickdark ninja assassin.
Why is she a blue bear?
>>338729472
Yes they are. Teams in FPS are always flooded with snipers and spies. The sucky players refuse to play anything else.
>>338729640
Anon nailed it hard
Snipers are always far away and are less likely to get killed, their main priority is to deny area or to kill. Combine not dying as much + only purpose is to kill = shitter that only cares about K/D
>>338728356
Because awful players are terrified to think that they may have to actually take part in the action, so they pick a class that has to be played far away.
>>338729472
This. It's not that it attracts shitty players, it's that someone either sucks at the game or is good at the game, so when they try sniping, their shit skills are even more on display than usual due to the difficulty inherent in being a genuinely good sniper.
If the sniper role isn't even significant beyond the instant kills, the snipers in multiplayer are probably gonna be shitters.
In Battlefield they're kinda cancer because it's pretty dudebro-ish to play recon, but their spotting and denial of access adds to the game.
Low risk high reward style really. Since most casuals don't actually care about winning objective games, they just want kills.
>>338730080
Their usefulness in battlefield is negligible because every single terrible sniper is trying for that 1000m headshot from spawn.
I hate battlefield snipers. The most cancerous players in any video game.
Most antisocial role on the team, perfect for antisocial people.
>>338729085
>can't be countered by anything other than ANOTHER sniper rifle
That isn't even the case in OW. D.Va completely shuts Widowmaker down.
What is it with shills not knowing how to check the catalog?
>>338730286
That or any fast character that can operate behind enemy lines.
>see replays of Widowmaker and think "hey this looks pretty easy, I'll give it a shot next game"
>next game
>Too Many Snipers
>next game
>Too Many Snipers
>repeat forever
>still haven't played Widowmaker to this day
>>338730286
Sure pick D.Va. Only problem is now you have D.Va on your team.
>>338730080
Battle Wookies were the only snipers I ever appreciated.
>>338730539
>scrub detected
D.Va is the easiest and fastest counter to Widowmaker. Arguably for Bastion and turrets as well.
I know you anti-waifu fags hate it, but she's a really good hero if you aren't retarded.
>>338730478
>Wanna play Zenyatta
>Every game people go support
>Gotta pick damage dealer
>mfw
>>338730478
>Want to play roadhog, healer, mei, any other tank or defense role
>Get to do it every single time
>Mfw
>>338730801
D.va is not a good bastion counter at all. She can bully widow makers easily with both of her abilities allowing her to kick her from her perch, but bastion will just wait for your shield to go down and then easily out trade you in damage. Unless you're purely talking about her ugly, which mind you is the slowest to charge in the whole game.
>>338731251
Ult, not ugly. Not sure what was going through my head when I typed that.
>>338731338
We see your true motives. If you want to turn this into a waifu thread just say so
>unbalanced class attracts power players and wannabes
Who would have thought?
>pick Tracer every game
>always useful
Life is good in waifu town.
>>338730212
can confirm, i play sniper on any game 24/7 and i am anti social. but i am good tho...
>>338731251
>trade you out in damage
He can't though, you don't even have to hit his weak spot to to win out in close quarter trade.
Occasionally you'll goof and he'll destroy your mech, but you'll get him in pilot form.
I always go straight for Bastion with confidence.
>>338731251
>Bullet shield >walk up >fly into and behind bastion/widow >fire double shotguns
This works every time.
>>338731778
Mah nigga
>>338728356
Because snipers are super cool and badass. Everybody imagines themselves being the unkillable sniper and annihilating the enemy like in movies. They don't realize that snipers are supposed to be used strategically, to force the enemy to move in a certain way and punish them when they don't, or to take out key enemy's, only very skilled players can use them to dominate the scoreboard. It attracts people who are just generally shit at the game and want to rack up kills. Not to mention people who want to make shitty skillshot videos.
Low risk, high reward.
>>338730080
>Playing Arma patrol ops
>Me and my friend in an apache laying missiles down
>Sniper says to stop so he can get some kills
>Team leader tells the sniper to shutup and keep spotting targets
>Sniper refuses to spot targets, starts going lone wolf, even going right into the town
>Team Leader tells us to "do the whole fucking town"
>Unload our entire payload in a few seconds
>Team leader locks the sniper loadout before he can respawnhe's also the server owner
>Sniper ragequits
>>338730478
You can stack widow with a hanzo, just not two widows
normies love sniper for whatever reason. I have a normie friend and for whatever reason he immidiatly gravitates to the sniper class first when trying a new game. i'll watch him go 2 - 17 and still keep picking sniper.
>>338728356
>Hold off choke points
>Kill high priority targets like Zenyatta and Mercy and Lucio
>Body shot everyone and keep them suppressed
>Secure the game winning push
>PotG goes to a Bastion
>>338728356
Snoipn's a good job, mate. It's challengin' work, outta doors. I guarantee you'll not go 'ungry.
>>338729085
Just play winston
>>338731098
>he fell for the offense/defense/tank/support label meme.
>>338732978
Too bad that's not what most snipers do. They're only interested in their KD and usually let the team lose for it.
>>338728356
Hanzo and D.Va attract the worst people.
>Hanzofags just want to play Hanzo all day long and even if a team ends up having double Hanzo
>D.Vafags refuse to accept that she's a shit character and you're just dragging the team down by picking her over someone who can actually tank
>>338728356
Snipers are typically highly effective and don't really take as much skill as people think. Really, sniping in Halo is easy, sniping in CS is easy, sniping in CoD is easy,
A lot of kids thing they take some godly amount of skill to use properly but they really don't. It's funny telling people this and watching them get butt devastated over it.
Who is actually appropriate for a shitter to play?
Reinhardt and Mei, it seems. Though I've seen Meis miss headshots on frozen targets.
>>338733671
>Another sniperfag who only cares about KD
As long as you stay the fuck away from objective focused games I don't care.
>>338733757
Does her primary fire do actual damage or does it just freeze?
>>338733757
Reinhardt on Payload maps. Stand on the payload, hold M2, and you're helping.
>>338733958
It does damage too
>>338733757
Mei takes a crap ton of skill to consistently land headshots with the icicles, and map knowledge to take the most advantage out of walls. So no. She's the exact opposite of a shitter class. Although she does also have a generally low entry point. You don't have to be skillful to get a decent amount of effort out of Mei because of M1 but a skilled Mei player will generally have a shit ton more game control and get a lot more shit done than a shitter Mei ever will.
In TF2 I play soldier main and snipers and spies are basically free kills for me.
90% of them are shitters that end the game with 0 to 2 points and occasionally there is one that runs up the scoreboard but for some reason they're just as easy for me to kill as anyone else, they just chew up my own retarded teammates and I can't understand how.
Scout, and I feel like I can say this objectively because I can't play Scout for shit, THAT'S a class with a skill ceiling. I easily kill most Scout players, too. Then one comes along that just shits in my fucking mouth from orbit holy fuck it's like trying to catch a fly out of midair with chopsticks
>>338728356
edgy kids mostly
>>338734065
Like really low damage? Because I can't seem to even scratch the paint off an enemy's armour with that thing.
Maybe they had some ability up, I don't know i only got to play a few rounds.
>>338733862
you lack a noteworthy amount of reading comprehension.
>>338729085
>can't be countered by anything other than ANOTHER sniper rifle user
Hi I play Genji and that's bullshit
>>338734219
The freeze does decent damage. It won't kill anyone except very low health heroes or someone who's already very weak to begin with.
They're people who equate racking up headshots and coming out top of the leaderboard for KDR as being the best player, even if they underperform in every other area.
>>338728356
Because they want to sit in a safe spot in the back and get "easy kills".
They're just plain dumb. Simple as that.
Widowmaker will be nerfed, one day.
She is absolutely bullshit
>>338733013
He's the reason I started playing sniping roles in shooters. In games with multiple characters I always pick based on who I think is coolest and Meet the Sniper was my favorite intro video so I went with him.
>>338734564
Blizz has already said that they want to tone down McCree because he can deal too much damage at range. They might actually buff Bastion because he gets destroyed by good players.
>>338728356
>snipers require precise aim
>>338734092
>occasionally there is one that runs up the scoreboard but for some reason they're just as easy for me to kill as anyone else, they just chew up my own retarded teammates and I can't understand how.
I'd say that's more to do with general class hierarchy. The soldier is a much more well rounded "get shit done" class than a sniper will ever be. So when two players of equally comparable skill go against each other and one is soldier and the other is sniper than it comes down to who has the map advantage, for example does the soldier have the flank on the sniper? Or is the soldier standing in a viewpoint advantage for a sniper to take a headshot that will kill him? So when everyone else on your team is dying to a good sniper but you're not it's not because the sniper is shit, but because a good soldier is just generally a better class when he gets ontop of a sniper's shit (which can be ridiculously easy due to rocket jumps).
>>338730478
>try out widowmaker in open beta
>do decent
>get a couple PotG with her
>come launch
>try her out again
>can't fucking hit anything
JUST
>>338734649
why is hanzo soHOT
>>338734442
Because I'm sure you're pre-emptively casting reflect around every corner in the game to avoid walking into a headshot from a Widowmaker with her wallhack on.
>>338728356
ewww are her feet artificial limbs? looks a bit too small to fit a foot inside these things
>>338734564
She can fire too quickly when zoomed for the amount of damage each shot does. She should either have to charge to do respectable damage (so like 25 if uncharged, 150 if fully charged), or have a fire rate twice as slow when zoomed.
>>338734442
Genji vs Widowmaker is basically 50/50.
>>338735227
A lot of the characters in this game have robot amputee legs for some reason.
>>338735227
>ewww
>Not loving sexy robot feet
anon PLEASE.
>>338735249
Exactly this, they need to reduce her firerate and reduce bodyshot damage
Widowmaker is practically TF2's Sniper with a semi-automatic Machina and a fast recharge, it's ludicrous
>>338735205
That's actually the way to do it when there is a very good aimer. You use their strength against them, and they will start to kill themselves. Though you generally know where they are, and don't have to employ your ridiculous example.
>>338734564
>>338735249
>>338735482
I main Dva and have no idea what you babbies are crying about.
>>338731969
You can fly with the shield up to rape Bastion's omnic receptor even quicker
>>338735616
>maining in Overwatch
>>338735482
So many times...
>huh, got killed by Widowmakeror even Hanzo
>see the killcam
>the shitter is shooting as fast as possible, and misses 5 times before connecting a lucky headshot
>>338728356
>happened in CSGO
past tense
>happened in TF2
past tense
>happens in Overwatch
present tense
cerebral shilling right here, folks
>implying Overwatch is a replacement and the new thing that's here to stay
>used to be really good Crossbow medic and Huntsman sniper
>can't play Hanzo
I wonder if it's because I just haven't played any shooters since 2011
>>338736124
Name one game with snipers in it that all the shitters dont immediately pick sniper in
>>338728356
Snipers are pretty brainless in video games
>>338736263
Halo 2
because you have to go get the sniper rifle, and a better player is going to beat you to it or kill you
>>338736263
It's not about snipers, the actual discussion in this thread is completely seperate from the psychological micro-shilling taking place on this board. The grammar is what's important here.
>>338735563
How's that ridiculous? People walk into Widowmaker headshots around corners or out of doorways all the time when she's got wallhack on. It's not like it's impossible to do.
>>338734336
The moment you mentioned skill is the moment I realized you're a just a faggy KD whore. Snipers in objective games serve a utilitarian purpose. Then you cement this fact by mentioning deathmatch style games.
Stick to CS and stay out of objective games.
>>338736782
I would assume the purpose of using Genji to counter Widowmaker is to focus on rounding a corner in order to get shot, except you have your E on and you're looking at her, because she's only going to be in 1 or 2 places at any given time. So you don't have to use E for every corner, because she's not camping in close quarters like a McRee.
>>338733757
Lucio is super easy to use and helpful. Just run around firing at people, and hitting e when it's off cooldown and people are injured
>>338728356
I remember when I first started playing csgo how much I hated allied snipers
Always in the back doing jack shit and always missing and being gunless for two fucking rounds if we lost.
Shits gotten better now that snipers are good but I still hate snipers on my team
>>338732714
Two widows were used in comp 5ever, it's just that you need two godlike widows for it.
>Play against god tier twitch aiming Widowmaker
>No fun allowed with any class
>Popped in the head around the corner every time
>Even genji reflect is hard because of the distance she usually fires from
>Getting close as genji doesn't matter because unscoped shots to the head 2 shot you even when double jumping, dashing and wallrunning
Even with shields like Reinhardt you are basically just doing one thing to keep ONE of the enemies from killing you and everyone else on the spot.
>>338734631
McCree already got nerfed in the beta, so I don't think they're nerfing him again
>>338737497
>>338737504
Kill the SHITFAGGOTS players please.
>>338729085
>that can't be countered by anything other than ANOTHER sniper rifle user
Back in Battlefield 1942 I'd always hop into an arty vehicle 1/4th the way through the round and drop a single shell in a few choice locations. It ALWAYS dropped at least two or three guys on the other team playing snipers.
Heh.
>tfw when really REALLY good sniper in games
>never play it because any game that has the class has nothing but kids playing it and shitting up every team
>>338736652
not really, weapon spawn memorization isn't that hard of a thing to do and Halo doesn't have any advanced movement options so you can't beat someone to a weapon with skillful speed.
That and the Halo snipers have always been a bit OP.
>>338736792
Now I'm just confused. but nah, just stating that snipers are typically easy weapons to get kills with, and that most sniper "mains" think that the sniper is some masterful tool that requires godly amounts of skill to use effectively.
>>338736263
nu-doom
>>338729085
>Tribes Ascend
>guy using the sniper rifle
>He successfully shuts down every one of our flag caps
>Enemy team wins hard, we can't score a single point
>say "wow snipers are OP"
>he counters with "dude they're hard to use it's balanced"
>continues to shut us down entirely on the next map
Shit was really bad. Granted sniping in Tribes was fairly difficult compared to other games it was still grossly OP and 1 good enemy sniper would require multiple teammates harassing him so a flag capper could make runs successfully. It's just something that had no place in Tribes.
>>338736124
>>338736658
I want this shill meme to end, paranoid fags need to end themselves.
>>338736782
People walk into pinpoint perfect headshots going around corners if she DOESN'T have her wall hack on because they know EXACTLY where you will be every time, I know because it's happened at least a hundred times to me now, walk around corner, die instantly, kill cam shows Widow sweeping about, no Ult on and then she just scopes in on a corner for a moment before I show up and instantly die.
>>338728356
She's confirmed getting nerfed soon.
Literally broken as fuck in every regard.
Especially her ultimate. I don't know who thought that was a good idea.
>>338738343
git gud
You need snipers to counter the snipers on the other team. Every map is a sniper's paradise.
>>338728356
It's a mixture of cowardice and wanting to still get kills. They are too afraid to commit to engagements and will try to play outside of them. Bad snipers will be useless and will be as far away from the action as possible. Good snipers will actually be involved and use their abilities to control space rather than purely for kills.
>>338739135
Link?
Cause her Ult is the least broken part of her kit, it provides a useful ability for her team, but when paired with 150 damage BODYSHOTS when most characters have 200 HP is horse shit.
And then, of course,
>Give a character with no mobility skills 150 HP and his only way to avoid death is an Ult that takes quite a while to charge
>Oh and his balls are line of sight only, so you have to see the Widow from a mile away, put a ball on her AND kill her to not die
>All while she needs to land one max charge hit with 0 travel time
>>338739135
When are balance adjustments expected?
>>338739418
While Widowmaker can one shot bodyshot kill Zen, Zen can also two shot a Widowmaker with discord and two shots from his M1. Discord orb shouldn't be underestimated that thing is absolutely broken.
>>338733562
>double hanzos
>feels like you're at Wounded Knee
>every 30 seconds you hear RYUGAWAKATEKINOKURAU
>dragons phasing through walls and into our dreams
Such suffering
>>338739418
I personally just cannot stand the fact that her ultimate charges the fastest in the game.
You get around 10% charge by just walking to the frontlines. It has a good uptime, it doesn't announce itself to the enemy team like EVERY ult in the game does, and worst of all punishes players for creative plays and flanking.
Good Snipers = Hanzos
Shit snipers who need wallhacks = Widowmakers
>>338739741I know, but that takes about 2-4 seconds to Widow's 1. If she kills you before you get 2 balls off AFTER getting a Discord on her, which has a longer travel time than your attacks, then you died and she is left unaffected and will be picking off the rest of your team for the next 6 seconds + travel time until you can try again.
The effort it takes to kill her as ANYONE is far greater than the effort she exerts to kill you.
>>338739864
I agree with you wholeheartedly, but you are slightly off.
Unlike every Ult in the game, it has an "audible range" when used.
If you're close enough, you hear it. Otherwise, you don't.
It's retarded and might as well be silent, but yeah.I also said it's the least broken part of her kit, she herself is easily the absolute BEST character in the game by a pretty sizable margin if you're a good sniper.
>>338739935
Agreed.
>>338729472
That's simply not true.
Looking at one of the core cases - the Battlefield series - you can look up usage stats for the most recent games (the four originals would need aggregate results from individual servers, but those too most certainty were also sniper heavy) and see that the Medic and Sniper class picks always outnumber the more utilitarian classes.
Both Medic and Sniper are favored because they have a playstyle of powerful survivability. The only BF game where classes were balanced were Bad Company 2. The rest was a Medic/Sniper party.
Medic with self-healing, the best weapon type in each game, and the ability to revive meatshields for points... I mean allies for cover.
Sniper because of distance and one shot kill weapons.
These classes are picked because they are "safe" and easy.
>>338739997
The if factor really depends on skill. If she's a shitter than she'll fuck up before a decent Zen can kill her but if she's not shit than yea Zen should just instantly die.
Why are the people that play
>Reinhardt
>Roadhog
>Junkrat
always bros?
Snipers are fun, and since they are fun they attract the people that play the game for fun and not as seriously as y'all try hards.
>>338733107
>just play a useless character that ruins your chances of winning!
Nice recommendation anon
>>338740401
>Reinhardt
Because they are willing to shoulder the load.
>Roadhog
Cause they are always bringing everyone togetherand then popping them fr 225 damage with a hook, left click, v.
>Junkrat
Happy birthday.
>>338740512
Winston is nowhere near useless, unless you're retarded
>>338740401
Conversely, there are people that are just assholes and refuse to change characters or tactics no matter what
>>338740512
He's not wrong though. Winston can fuck a Widowmaker so she doesn't kill an entire team. The trade off is that you lose one member for essentially turning Widowmaker off making it a 5v5. Until the pocket Mercy strapped to Widowmaker's asshole revives her, then it's a 5v6 again.
>>338729085
One of the greater things about Overwatch is that Widow is countered by more than just Widow.
>>338735874
I have 3 friends I play with. One always plays D.va, one Reinhardt, and one as Mei. Sometimes they'll play Bastion. I play Genji, Tracer, Zenyatta, Junkrat, Roadhog, and others. I don't see how you can't want variety.
>>338740512
>Winston
>Useless
He's not a dedicated tank, similar to D.VA. His thing is to be as annoying as possible, he's not hard to deal with and deals low damage outside Ult, but nobody WANTS to deal with him because "Giant monkey man flying about at 300 miles per hour."
His job is to basically aggro the enemy and get them to be distracted for the rest of your team.
In Ult, you are supposed to push people off your allies, off cliffs and into death pits, and be even more annoying.
>>338740820
>Reaper
>Mei
>Widowmaker
>Hanzo
The majority of people play games for fun rather than competition, and even the competitive people might play for fun sometimes. Snipers are fun to some people, so people play snipers.
Sometimes I'm the same. I know I'm sucking more than if I played a different class, but it can be cathartic to play long range and slowly every now and then.
>>338735173
>>338740249
Yeah I got that. Also I don't have the soure on my phone, but if you do a quick search on their Twitter or forums I'm sure you can find it.
Basically they're looking at nerfing McCreed and Widow because their dmg output is too high. I think they mentioned a Bastion buff too.
I hope Zenyatta gets a rework or something. Maybe more HP or something. Also dva needs some abilities outside her Mech.
>>338740952
I think people tend to think he sucks because they under value his lunge. You can go a lot higher than you'd imagine, and often jumping up and then along is all you need to have everyone loose where you were. Like you said, he's not about tanking, he's about making the enemy team constantly fear having a fuck off giant ape fly into them.
>>338740980
>Reaper
"I can handle this." he says as he teleports right in front of their Widow.
>Mei
"Make Overwatch Great AGAIN!" she says as she walls you, Genji, in with their Bastion.
>Widow
"I'm carry you fags." she says as she does so until she dies, then your barricade is broken cause your Healer is playing Lucio when they asked for Mercy.
>Hanzo
"Yugo weki wo go fuck yourself."
>>338730202
Which is dumb because your kdr is hidden for the very purpose of avoiding that kind of bullshit in the first place.
>>338740512
Winston is a common pick in competitive teams.
>>338741236
Spot on.
>>338741195
Googling now, I am definitely hoping both of those first 2 things happen, McCree being able to do up to 400 instant damage by just E, right click is insane.
>>338741334
>Implying you can't find out if you're carrying through the "Most damage" medal.
>>338739935
Hanzo is casual as fuck, you don't even need to have the cross hair on your target to get a hitmarker
>>338741334
Hit tab mid-game.
>Kills first column, and it's actual kills, not just "eliminations."
>Deaths bottom of 2nd column
>>338728356
Because the people who roll snipers are children.
Kids play video games. Deal with it. It's the first class they try because it translates to every game ever. You don't need to know anything about the game if you roll sniper, you're this character that gets to chill in the safety and get free frags. This in turn makes sure there are a lot of children who consider themselves "sniper mains" in every game that has a sniper class.
The only way to solve this problem is by not having an outright sniper class.
>>338741195
I really hope they give that Russian lady a second longer on her shields, particularly for allies.
>>338728356
>stand back
>have big one shot gun
>point and click people
>they cant do anything to you
>>338738343
>something thats hard to use gets a free pass on being broken
who the fuck the brain damaged idiot that ever thought this was alright
>>338738343
>tfw pre speed cap
>tfw bad snipers saying "WTF CANT HIT YOU."
too fast niggas. Good snipers still raped me though, gotta abuse the hills.
I never understood this either.
I mean, I never really cared much for Sniper in Team Fedoratress because I wasn't that great, so I played Heavy. And now, I'm not that great at OW, so I play Mei. You'd THINK all the other suck players would want to play the class that doesn't die as easily, like tanks or heavier people.
I think all these sniper-type characters have that EDGY and \/C00L\/ appeal that makes suck players wanna choose them
>>338742312
>game about fast
>make things that stop you going fast
>make things that hard cap you going fast
>>338742527
or people want to just click on people and do damage
>>338736124
>Implying there is ever going to be popular discussion about TF2 or CS
CS has the worst active community full of Russians and TF2 it's fucking free to play.
There are hundreds of shitposters saying that Overwatch will go f2p without even understanding that their game already became f2p.
Fucking delusions man.
MOLTEN
CORE
>>338742527
>You'd THINK all the other suck players would want to play the class that doesn't die as easily, like tanks or heavier people.
The problem is they don't kill people, most of the time all they do is get shot at until they die and when you try to fight back you lose. It's sort of akin to being the fat ass kid who got bullied in school, and I'm sure most kids/shitters who would play the game don't want to re-experience those moments of being a helpless retard in game.
>>338742852
>Implying there is ever going to be popular discussion about TF2 or CS
but there already is
and overwatch is f2p
it just costs 40$
>>338728356
>What is it about snipers that attracts the worst players ever?
Lack of confrontation with enemies and one shots appeal to people who want instant gratification.
>>338730801
dva gets fucked by bastions
i tried, i was full of hope, but yeah even at point blank range and with a few surprise hits he shits on you
Do you ALWAYS get a skin per box?
I'm level six and I've gotten a skin in every box. Not always good ones but I did get Mechaqueen Pharah.
>>338742631
tribes was about airshots nigga
fast was a side-effect
>>338745834
I got one skin from 10 boxes.
>>338745971
no, fuck you.
>>338732978
>playing as roadhog in capture the point
>flank and wipe out 4 members of their team from behind during their last attempt to take the point
>potg goes to bastion
He can't keep getting away with this
>>338740512
Winston is strong as fuck
you're just a scrub who doesn't know how to use his jump
>get a faggot named Kirito in my game
>on multiple occasions
>he goes Widowmaker every time
>>338746124
there's no reason to hate, fast was great.
but blue plates, hot air, air mails
that was life
>>338746802
i just want to go fast
is it that much to ask
>>338746429
>>338732978
Bastion is the favorite character of the main dev, he always gets priority for PoTG
Why does no one play tank or support?
I just want to try out more characters, damn it, but every game I have to be Reinhardt and watch over my team like they're retarded toddlers
>>338730801
D'va is the worst character on par with Zenyatta, shit pick no matter what, Winston does all she can but much better.
>>338747790
>>338730539
Guess I'm just too good. I dominated the beta with D Va getting most of the potg and pretty sure I'll continue that domination in the full game when I get the game later. Seriously, D Va is fantastic to use. Hit and run tactics all day. Characters like Widowmaker and Hanzo are easy kills. Even Bastion is as long as you don't charge at him head on.
>>338746908
no
no it is not
>>338731214
This really boggles my mind
Roadhog and Reinhardt are some of the funnest heroes to play yet the role is always open for me to take while theres a Genji every fucking game
Playing sniper removes all of the weaknesses of a shitty player.
A shitty player lacks map awareness, so they repeatedly get ambushed or run through Bastion/sentry guns/whatever other stationary threats a game has. By playing sniper, they can just stare at a choke point for 10 minutes and ignore everything except enemy snipers and "cheap enemies that only get kills because they snuck into my sniper nest."
A shitty player has bad reflexes and can't properly trace a target. Playing sniper removes the moving half of "move and shoot," and lets them just linger their crosshair over a chokepoint and take potshots at anyone that moves through it.
A shitty player will lose a 1v1 against a skilled player, even if that good player is at a disadvantage (ambushed/playing something that is countered by the shitty player/etc). Standing 3 miles away completely removes this.
The list goes on. It adds up to being a class that lets a terrible player avoid what would otherwise be a constant stream of deaths, changing their K/D from 1/12 to 1/0.
Snipers are just K/D faggots.
They care not for the objective. Care not for their team. Care not for fun. They only care about their headcount.
>>338747790
>Winston does all she can but much better.
Yeah, having a smaller crit hitbox. Otherwise, he has the same problems.
can someone please create a meme image for me.
Mcree saying "oh heavens just look at the time!" And in the background is a clock but every number 1-12 is replaced with "High Noon"
>>338734092
Scout definitely takes a little bit of strategy in that you have to be opportunistic but god damn nothing is better than being the annoying fly everyone can't seat away
>running behind lines and bonking medics who are about to uber their heavy
>cheesing scrub scouts who are just playing the class to get ctf points
>bonking snipers who are too busy lining up a shot to notice you're standing right next to them
>spraying gay porn by enemy teams spawn
Good times, also force of nature is easily most op weapon in the game
>>338731098
Zenyatta is best paired with another support.
>this whole thread
You scrubs wouldn't know a good unit class if it shot you right between the eyes.
>>338739135
the only thing she needs toned down is the charge up time of the sniper, it should be doubled at the least
>>338734442
also reaper
>>338736263
Played a match against 3 snipers. We lost in the end.
>>338736263
Final Fantasy: Tactics
>poison gas a capture point and smg 3 people to death
>potg goes to bastion who kills me and another player after we capture the point
>Pick D.Va or Winston
>Swooce right into Widowmaker's face
>Gee Gee
>>338728356
>What is it about snipers that attracts the worst players ever?
Everyone always wants the instant kill shot from a distance. The closest thing to this without being a sniper is the Spy backstabbing people for 1-shot kills as well. Not to say nobody is good at those roles, as they can be useful if done properly, but the vast majority only play them for self satisfaction and the 1-2 shots every week where they can show off to friends.
If TF2 has taught me anything it's that snipers in every game are pure fucking cancer.
There is _NOTHING_ enjoyable about being 1 shot by some asshole sitting in spawn 10 miles away and there was nothing you could do about it.
The bad players gravitate towards him like flies towards shit and drag the average skill level down. The good players can carry their entire team single handedly and shutdown any push you try to do. The class encourages not working with your team and baiting your teammates for kills. It's piss easy to play since you don't have to get headshots to shit on people and there's NO movement required. It also attracts hackers because it doesn't require any game sense to do well and there's no projectile leading.
Snipers should be removed from FPS. There is nothing they do that can't be filled by another class and they ruin every game they're in.
>>338759684
playing active front sniper is fucking fun though
as is playing active front in bc2, or bf2
>>338759802
For you maybe, not for anyone else.
You cannot design a sniper class that isn't completely unfun to play against because it's built around never having to confront enemies and 1 shot kills.
>>338759684
I like how you can see a Huntsman tip in the bottom right. A sniper taking a picture of other snipers sniping from spawn.
>Want to practice spy
>We already have 4
>Well, I'm not the kind of idiot to make that 5, 2 is bad, everything more is unacceptable... I'll just wait
I still haven't played spy often to this day. Every time I do when I notice that no one else does, We have three spies in a matter of seconds.
less moving, more shooting while not getting shot at. simple.
>>338728356
I think it's more that you notice a bad sniper more than anything.
>stand in one place forever missing
You can't get more useless than this. Even a bot or a retard would do a better job capping objectives, doing some damage or at least being a decent distraction to draw bullets away from better players.
But even if you suck sniper can still make it feel like you're playing well because your kd ratio tends to be favorable due to the playstyle.
>>338728356
You got dominated in CS GO by an AWPer again, bud? It's okay, mommy's here.
>>338759939
You don't do that on battle wookie in BC2. You get in that shit and use your tracking ball to put people on the map. It's actually really good too because you can always spawn with a shotgun to fuck someone up with an assault rifle then take their weapon, drop an ammo kit, and supply yourself more motion sensors and ammo. And C4 was one of the most powerful weapons when used creatively which the amount of destructive buildings fostered.
>>338760164
>Always love playing medic
>Never have to worry about too many a class
>Especially since there are usually 0 medics
>the best when rolling through squishies with my ubersaw when they try to pick me
And then everybody starts to kite me because they don't want a random ubersaw crit to the face. Feels rough.
>>338760929
I used to love medic, but eventually, the average skill level of my team mates went from "retard trying his hardest to push the right buttons" to "cat runs over keyboard and accidentally hits movement keys".
I'm not lucky with crits, but generally, moving backwards and using the syringe gun is enough to kill pretty much anyone on pubs. I almost feel sorry for W+M1s (Pyros and butterknife-spies)
>>338759939
>For you maybe, not for anyone else.
My team\squad never complained.
>>338761263
This, medic is really fun when you have a pocket who knows how to get shit done but they're few and far between and it's usually better for me to play soldier/demo simply because nobody else is willing to push. Trying to attack without heals is like bashing your head against a brick wall, primary reason why I don't enjoy TF2 anymore.
>>338761503
I'm not talking about your team I'm talking about the enemy. Good class and weapon design is both enjoyable to play and enjoyable to fight. Demo vs scout is a good example, even though it's heavily in scout's favor the demo can still win if he's good and it's extremely satisfying to watch a scout strafe right into your grenades.
Sniper there is no fight, either he lands the shot or he doesn't. You never have any input over the fight and most of the time you won't even realize he's aiming at you either.
>>338761658
Yeah. I really have to wonder how those pubs go where not a single good player is on either team.
I bet that once someone on blu places a sentry on those servers, it's all over for the attackers.
I realized that pub-plebs have NO IDEA how do deal with sentries. Find a spot where the sentry cant' shoot and shoot it from there? (Yes, that only works if the engineer who placed the sentry is a fucking retard who doesn't know anything about sentry placement, but guess what).
Heaven forbid, play medic with a stock medigun and charge an uber? stickybombs around the corner? Possibly a bunch of them that you detonate at the same time so the engineer, who does nothing but wrenching the shit out of his sentry the entire game, can't do anything?
Play spy...decently?
Direct Hit suicide bombing?
All of those are IMPOSSIBLE for the pub-pleb. It's so fucking frustrating... He will run into the same sentry 8 times in a row and he'll still forget that it's there in the next life.
TF2 is the reason that I no longer believe that all humans are (roughly) equal. It's what made me realize just how huge the difference actually is. Not saying I'm part of the elite, just saying that the bottom is actually really, really deep.
>>338761263
When I first started medic I always went for the blutsauger. And it made me go a bit more attacking battle medic.
However, when the crossbow got introduced I started using that instead because of the long range heal. And I've always loved using my ubersaw more in the first place.
Since I'm more restricted in fighting close range I usually restrict to a more supportive battle medic. If someone is close I ubersaw them. If while ubersawing I get uber and I need to use it I ignore the person I was attacking and pop uber.
Anyone here playing overwatch?
I want to know what you guys think of mercy. I've been playing her quite a bit and have gotten to the point where I can actually fight back with her instead of trying to run all the time.
>>338762480
This is the point where you have to consider that video games are also played by young children, especially free ones.
I'm willing to bet most of those extreme pub plebs are 10 years old or something.
>>338746739
explain how to Winston whack niggas when they are death balling? you jump into a full team and try to zap the med = you ded. also most sniper spots are further than the jump and past multiple turrets and junkrats and shit unless you play him only on D so they have no builds
>>338763507
Isn't TF2 an 18+ game?
That's why I find it ridiculous that so many servers are enforcing certain rules because "children play here".
They should just be banned ASAP.
>>338759684
>>338763714
No way is it 18+. Hell I said 10 but I have an 8 year old cousin that plays cowadoodies and other multiplayer shooters since he was 6 years old. I have no doubt he's total shit at them.
>>338763896
Then there should at least be a kids' league where they don't bother anyone else.
>your team's sniper is sitting at the very back of the map taking potshots at tanks or hitting air
>enemy team's sniper is fucking destroying squishy offense characters and raping your healers
I've been in one game where a Hanzo knew what he was doing but every other sniper I've seen may as well be afk
>Its a watch helplessly as your team repeatedly runs face first into turret Bastions episode
>>338762050
>I'm not talking about your team I'm talking about the enemy
Who gives a fuck?
>>338764950
You will when you have to play against it
Like pre nerf natascha
>>338740362
Medics were used so much in BC because they had a LMG sniper rifle if you added magnum ammo.
You weren't getting a health kit or a revive from any of those faggots.
>>338759939
The archer class in Pirates, Vikings, Knights 2 was pretty alright to play against, probably because you could put up shields to block projectile fire, the game was relatively close quarters and it wasn't built around instantly killing you. I'm not sure if you could count it as a sniper class though, but it was the long range specialist class.
Plus the class balance was pretty good, with the two enemy teams having either beefy and/or shielded enemies with secondary ranged weapons, or a fast scout-like class plus another class which could throw out an homing parrot which could momentarily distract people. The maps being three-way also meant that archers could be flanked more easily, if it wasn't just a pure deathmatch map swarming with enemies from every side.
I am really good at sniping in FPS's and like it, but the amount of butthurt snipers causes is just mind blowing to me. I just can't get over the amount of threads I see about people crying about them all of the time.
Watching bad snipers hurts me on the inside though.
>>338765583
Yes why would anyone get upset about a class that lets a shitter who you could easily 20:0 in a straight up fight now one shot you from the other side of the map in complete safety? That seems like a perfectly reasonable design decision.
>>338728356
It doesn't.
It just seems like it does because as a sniper you get punished harder for missing shots than you do with other weapons and the overwhelming majority of players across all games are bad.
Why is her ass dirty?
So today I saw a pretty awful tactic.
One bastion can be countered pretty easily, so the enemy team decided to put 2 bastions right next to each other, on elevated terrain.
If I try to hook one, the other one sees me and kills me.
What do you do about this?
>>338765843
If he is shit then flank and kill him.
>>338766527
Good luck doing that when he's in spawn or there's a sentry in the way.
>>338752807
>implying Marina can hit shit without the power of Save and Load.
>>338766858
I was talking about snipers in general, but for Overwatch they actually give you characters to counter her hard like D.Va, Genji and Winston
You are just bad.
>>338747251
My dad is activison and my mom is blizzard and they say you are lying and a faggot.
>>338766427
Have a Genji press E and kill one twice as fast as he would normally kill himself.
>>338739135
Wish Pharah would get a buff. She's countered by so many things
>>338767217
Snipers are the least of overwatch's problems.
>>338765843
It's like you don't even know that you're supposed to get close to them. Even "good" snipers have little success in stopping me when I get up close, I don't see the problem
>>338769158
Fighting any sniper requires you to over extend. How is that fair when he can one shot you at any time at any distance? Why should I have to jump through hoops to kill this one asshole just because he's playing sniper?
>>338751065
THIS shit is absolutely correct. I've been playing the game all day and I can't count how many times I've won payload games on defense because the enemy team is too busy sniping to realize that they don't have enough people to push the objective.
Good job, you got the most eliminations I guess.
>>338769646
Fighting any <insert non-support, non-sniper class here> requires you to land hits perfectly each time in a short period of time. How is that fair when <insert above class> can kill you in a few seconds while taking little damage from you? Why should I have to jump through hoops to kill this one asshole just because he's playing <above class>?
>>338770104
What the fuck are you babbling about? A combat class vs a combat class is even and just comes down to aim as it should.
Everybody thinks Snipers just camp and get headshots, but nobody thinks about how real life wars are won by snipers.
Snipers have the highest KDR IRL, which ultimately is the leading deciding factor in a war. Snipers can also kill off generals and other important targets way better than a whole army can because they have stealth and range on their side.
Snipers are the most elite of the elite. Hence why only so few of them exist in the world. Not just anyone can pick up a sniper rifle and expect to be good at it. Just like in real life, a sniper rifle takes infinitely more skill to use effectively than any other gun like an assault rifle.
Also, JFK got sniped by a single lone shooter. Think about that for a second, m8s. They're simply the best of the best. Range and accuracy are everything in the real world. Just like how a spear is infinitely better than a sword, a sniper rifle trumps the assault rifle anytime.
If you're good with an assault rifle, that's great bud but just remember at the end of the day, you'll never ever even impact the game or real life as much as a top class sniper.
>>338729085
Lucio main here and you're wrong. Dubbin that ass across the map, wall skatan and right clickan her into pits.
Ye, na.
I'm attracted to that ass, that's for sure.
>>338737614
>SHITFAGGOTS
Why do you type like that, what are you trying to convey?
>>338728356
I can no longer envision Widowmaker as not being a futa with a giant dick
It's such a perfect match for her character
>>338770870
>Snipers have the highest KDR IRL
Drone operators probably blow up a hundred times more targets than snipers
when will FPS start to add drone operator classes
>>338734631
>buff Bastion
Yes, because he needs a buff.
>>338734092
>brags about playing shoot at feet and win man
lol, fucking loser
I like them because they actually require skill to play if you try to go for headshots. I don't like playing widowmaker that much though, I only pick it when there's a sniper eating my team's ass in the other team.
How the fuck do you get a kill with Symmetra's laser turrets?
>>338752251
>force of nature is easily most op weapon in the game
Really? I think the stock scattergun is much better since it performs so well in such a myriad of different kinds of engagements.
Although Force of Nature + Bonk + Atomizer is really fun for getting the entire enemy team to hunt you down instead of doing the objective.
>>338773805
Play against idiots or have teammates that bait enemies into them.
>>338770023
Not really.
A sniper on the cart is a sniper not doing their job properly. There are few times when a sniper has a good reason to sit on the cart.
>>338773805
Put the max amount on the trim on the outside of a door and watch as the first person gets instagibbed stepping out of it.
The problem with Widowmaker is that she has an instantly available rifle available to her that's actually stronger than Tracer's pistols. There's literally zero switch time, if a good player hears you approaching, they're going to outdamage, if not outmaneuver you.
>give players a literal wall hack
You can't make this shit up.
>>338728356
>tfw want to git gud at Hanzo and Widowmaker
>can't snipe for shit
>change out of shame to something more helpful after a few deaths
>never get time to practice them
>>338766907
You're supposed to level up your snipers and give them decent weapons if you want them to be useful, smart guy.
>>338774350
>Good players
I also found out that each hero has their own unique footstep your enemies are prominently louder
>>338774612
>shit as sniper
>look at my profile
>I have twice the ammount of time on snipers than any other character
>still shit
The easiest solution is to simply limit the amount of snipers per team. Being a sniper is meaningless if ANYONE can do it at once.
Take Rising Storm/Red Orchestra for example, the Sniper classes are balanced because there's only 2-3 per team, and they are absolute dogshit in close quarters. The upside to this is that a good sniper can shut down entire areas of the map (bunkers, chokepoints, road crossings)
So just limit snipers and they become balanced
>play as Mei
>protect and contest the payload like a motherfucker
>end up dying eventually
>by the time I get back, the payload has moved half way across the map because no one is contesting it
>mostly figure this is just because few characters can safely jump in on the payload and survive for a short while like Mei can
>Defending on Route 66
>pick Mei and rest of team decides to go full on 6 Meis
>they still aren't contesting the payload
Do people not realise that so long as there's ONE defender close to the payload, the thing won't budge an inch? Jesus fucking christ.
>>338731778
I wish. I'm so bad with her but I really like playing her. I went in expected something more akin to the Scout but I feel like I'm never doing any damage.
>>338774824
For most games yes but for overwatch having more then 1 sniper is detrimental to your pushing power or defense
Unless your hanzo then you can go ryuu waa go fuck the other team
>>338728356
Pick a perch
Point and click to win
They attract shitters because they are the easiest classes to play.
>mfw I played the beta twice and also just bought Overwatch and haven't played her even once, because I believe I am so shit at sniping I don't even bother anymore
>>338774176
Who cares? Play what you want.
