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A new Project Meme is born.
Maybe they can take all the stages from the shittier half of the game and make a full version of the game playable on wiiu.
>make the game more competitively focused
Oh good unbalanced shit like Project M
>>338535312
I don't want another fucking PM. Just add a fan patch to buff the low tiers. THATS IT.
Remove downthrow combos.
>>338535312
>changing every single character in the game to make the game more fast paced and competitive.
I couldn't read that without chuckling
>>338535483
Yeah but first they're going to turn them all into shitty battlefield clones.
But the regular Sm4sh Wii U game is already highly competitive.
>>338536121
And Big Battlefield will be the same exact size as regular Battlefield because it was originally "too big".
>>338536121
>75m is a good stage.
>>338536962
>all stages are as bad as 75m
>>338537002
>I want to fuck Great Cave Offensive.
Fuck just when the first project meme finally died off.
>>338537089
My sexual preferences aside, Project M fucked plenty of perfectly acceptable stages and left the game with nothing interesting to actually play on.
>>338537153
Why do you think it died off?
>>338535312
Place your bets people, which characters is going to get butcherd like Olimar in Project M? My money is on Ryu
Nah, fuck off, the game is perfectly competitive as is
We don't need a third Melee clone
Now if it's just changes stage shit (like taking away stage hazards) and have shit like all characters unlocked, more like a 20XX, that would be cool
>>338535312
So when are they bringing Snake back?
>>338535312
Smooth Lander on everyone automatically.
>>338537247
I would really like to know what the people who made Project M were thinking when they worked on the Wario stage.
>>338537290
>project m olimar
>worse than sm4h olimar
>>338537247
>Project M fucked plenty of perfectly acceptable stages and left the game with nothing interesting to actually play on.
So don't install them
>project shit at it again
>>338537384
He didn't add anything that makes it like Melee. He just gave characters buffs and removed hazards from otherwise illegal stages.
http://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/4535
>>338537290
Anybody's who isn't Shiek, Fox, or Falco.
>>338535312
>No IOSU exploit
nah. I'll wait another 5 years.
>>338537705
>He just gave characters buffs
this seems like a really fucking bad idea right now
>>338537506
With that recovery? Yes
>>338537725
Forgot Marth
>>338537456
You want the game to turn into Smash 64, but worse? Shield breaker combos everywhere?
Why? The base game plays fine as is. Not the most hyper competitive game on the market, but it's not so bad that you really need to modify and change every character.
>>338535312
Brawl - >>>>>>>>> Project Meme
>>338538067
>Sakurai can do no wrong.
>>338537829
Depends on how much they will get buffed, I can name plenty of characters that are are still in dire need of help but have been neglected.
I'm sure there will be space for balences if anything gets out of hand.
>>338538067
>>>>>>>> tr4sh
>>338537863
Oh yeah, I knew I forgot somebody. And they\ll add momentum again so they can weird dash thing. I'm not talking about wave-dashing, but where they just go back and forth alternatively, just making a dust cloud.
>>338535312
>1.0.1 changelog : - Recloned Falco
>>338538067
I'm sad they got rid of Ganondorf's Sun projectile in favor of some weak-looking gay darkness shit
>>338538172
It seems like a really bad idea because the game is still getting patches and the meta isn't remotely settled
>>338538114
>Brawl -
>Minus
>By Masahiro Sakurai
>Project M 2.0
lets get this shit started
>>338538000
Yes, and someJump Momentumwould be great too.
>>338535312
I want a Ichigo mod with Clouds move set. It's pretty much perfect.
>>338538368
Literally scroll down the page and read.
"At this time, I do not want to start changing characters around until we know that they are going to stop patching Smash. Once they do stop, hopefully we will be able to do a lot more with characters, and I can start implementing the changes that I am planning on doing."
I don't want another Project M. I just want buffs to low tier characters and the removal of boss characters. Seriously, there should've been a way to trigger them off in the first place, they ruin perfectly fine stages like the Megaman stage and Pyrosphere.
>>338538623
I'm just going off what >>338537705 said, fuck off
>>338538524
That's not something you can do by just enabling specific custom equipment, though.
>>338538524
>Jump Momentum
>In the same game where Sonic is in.
There's a reason PMDT nerfed Sonic to oblivion. The only reason it's needed is for characters like Falcon, Fox, Marth and Mario but put on a character like Sonic and watch him open that game's asshole up like crazy
>>338538198
Dash dancing you uncultured swine, why are better movement options a bad thing?
>>338538959
What use is dash-dancing in a game with no momentum, or when you do it for no reason whatsoever?
>>338538198
get out of here you filthy casual
>>338535312
Please. No. Stop. I don't want anymore of this mod bullshit. The game is okay as is. I would go so far as to say it's good. Maybe some minor buffing to some of the lower end characters, fine. But, overhauling the entire cast? No. No. No. Noooooooo.
No mod will fix Sm4sh until debugging is possible.
>>338538959
I'm not sure what the big deal with dash dancing in Smash 4 would be anyway when the game already has perfect pivots
>>338537247
>>338537470
>I don't know about the hold L for alternate stages code they introduced
The last version has most of the original Brawl stages available except for the really shitty ones like 75m.
>>338537705
>Nobody modders thinking they know more about game balance than professional video game developers
Laughable.
Won't Nintendo stomp on them like they did with PM?
>>338535753
May as well make it like Melee, S4 is slow as molasses.
>>338539569
They didn't.
>>338539569
>this meme again
>>338539569
Nintendo didn't even do anything besides pulling strings to keep it out of EVO. They canceled it because the devs got cold feet.
>>338539569
Why would they? This will get more people to buy Wii Us if anything.
I find it quite amazing how fucking huge Smash 4 modding got in such little time
Skins are coming in like hotcakes on Gamebanana
>>338539987
We can also add our own music slots with replacing anything as well.
>>338539565
Professional video game developers are, usually, near the bottom in terms of how well they can balance a game. The biggest esports bucks right now are all in games that are derived from mods.
>>338540241
>those TF tracks
UUUNNNFFFF
All I want are reworked hitboxes so that they actually make sense
Seriously, just look at pic relatedJUST
>>338539987
>>338540241
Man, I really want to jump into modding this game but I also want to wait until after the NX has been out. It's suffering.
>>338539987
It's probably because 4 is basically just a retweaked Brawl.
I'm more happy for character mods than anything else.
>>338540241
I really need to figure out how to do this so I can add more Kirby music andPersona music.
>>338540306
Adding things is one thing, but deliberately fucking with the balance of a game is absurd because they think they know better when they likely just wanna buff their favorite characters that mean ol' Mr. Sakurai nerfed.
>>338535312
I wouldn't mind a PM styled mod but I hope it just isn't some random gameplay and character balance changes stabled together.
In addition to all that, what I liked about Project M was all the extra goodies they managed to stuff in. The alternate stage loader, the alternate costumes, All-Star Vesus, bringing back some old characters, etc Smash 4 has already been shown to be much more flexible and fluid to generally mod, so I'd want to see something take advantage of that. For example, not only can we freely add alt costumes without replacing anything, but we can have up to 263 for each character and each costume can have their own voice clips and sfx and shit. Imagine Project M's Fox and Falco costumes, but this time actually having their voice clips from Melee proper.
>>338539565
Even assuming the developers are perfectly competent, they're only going to put the balance work in if they have time and they're getting paid. Nintendo has better things to do than keep up with the Smash4 meta, so there's nothing wrong with someone doing itfor free.
And if any balance work is done by Nintendo, it would be to the four player, items on, casual players, whacky stages gameplay. Having several different versions of the game to cater to different demographics can only be a good thing.
>>338537247
You know they added an alternate stage loader, right? They also added a bunch of casual-aimed stages like the N64 remasters, unless you think people play on Saffron City competitively even without the Pokémon coming out of the doors.
>>338535312
I'm skeptical of this, though. If they get through a few versions with the dev team intact I'll be more optimistic, but I'm not sure yet. What's in the current release?
>>338540501
I'm pretty sure it's really because, unlike Brawl, this game was designed to get new content through DLC.
>>338540791
The idea is to play around the balance, not build the balance around the variables known as humans. You could spend centuries changing the balance constantly, and you'd never satisfy everyone. Even this isn't going to satisfy everyone, and they'll probably stop too when they also feel they've "perfected" it.
here's a bonus
I need to get around to add more tracks to Midgar.
If they don't fuck around with the game mechanics and it's just new or altered stages and new modes this would be really cool
Time to show off some alts.
>>338541051
what's the limit for these?
>>338541336
Some say 40 for each stage, but I heard it can go higher than that or something.
>>338540990
>The idea is to play around the balance, not build the balance around the variables known as humans.
Which is why every competitive game features regular balance patches. Can you restate your argument in a way that doesn't make you look completely retarded?
>You could spend centuries changing the balance constantly, and you'd never satisfy everyone.
Balance isn't about satisfying anyone, it's about making all 1v1 matchups fair between equally skilled players. This ideal balance will probably never be reached, but there's no "satisfying" involved -- balance can be empirically measured.
>>338539565
>Pre-patch Bayonetta
>Hoo-Haa
>they know more about game balance than professional video game developers
>professional video game developers
>professional
>>338535312
I hope they get sued by nintendo
>>338539569
Nobody "stomped" PM Dev Team except for their own paranoia and shitty "video game lawyers."
>>338535509
What was so bad about project M more than any other smash at the time?
>>338535312
I've never seen a fanbase that not only hates themselves, but also dislikes the very game they play so much.
>Casuals constantly butthurt about 70% of the cast being flowchart and not fun
>Remainder of the fanbase tries to make the game play nothing like it's supposed to
>Smash "fans"
Does nobody see the irony in this?
>>338541661
>>338541231
is there a more greenish megaman
>>338541661
>the crooked part on the helmet
What a shame we could never get costumes like that officialy.
People are dumb
this means probably new content
Imagine if you could play the 3DS stages on the Wii U
As long as they don't fuck with the base game it's alright.
>>338536602
>tr4shcans actually believe this
>>338541831
I feel ya, but some characters are literally shit. People just need to leave the drama out of it.
>>338540241
>>338541051
I am super hype for the return of custom music, but not too thrilled with the idea of gameplay adjustment mods. Smash4 plays just fine.
>>338538870
Jump Momentum wasn't even part of a fraction of the reason why Sonic was nerfed. What in the fuck are you talking about.
>>338540990
A game will usually never be 100% balanced, but it shouldn't be unbalanced to the point where there are characters on the select screen that you don't even bother picking because it's basically an invitation to rape 8 / 10 times.
>>338537705
>removed hazards from otherwise illegal stages.
That's all I wanted. He's my hero.
>>338541831
Wanting a new entry into the series to play like your favorite entry in the series is now equivalent to hating the series.
Liking the series so much that you will spend hours and hours of free time perfecting it is now equivalent to hating the series.
The Warcraft and Elder Scrolls series were hated by their fanbases too, by this logic.
>>338541051
>>338540241
Is there a guide for custom music that are open to everyone or is it closed to a group of people?
>check it out
>literally nothing has changed other than removing hazards and changing the title screen
Why are you guys getting hyped? They haven't done anything yet.
And on the flipside, why do so many people want it to fail? If you don't like a mod, don't use it. They haven't removed the vanilla game.
>>338541831
Melee fans are different from Smash 4 fans. Obviously there's a lot of overlap and people who like both, but those two games are hugely different from each other. If you like Melee for its gameplay but hate Smash 4's gameplay, you're still a Smash Bros. fan, just not a fan of Sakurai's anti-competitive stance that he's taken for Brawl and Smash 4. If you just like Smash casually and like its roster, and don't like the high skill ceiling of competitive Melee, you're still a Smash Bros. fan, you just dislike competitive play and don't care for Melee because that's the crowd it brings.
>>338541920
BBA Mega Man's also a bit chubbier than regular Mega Man which is a nice touch.
So can they just turn the Final Destination switch into a Hazard switch?
Nobody likes being able to turn every stage into final destination, do they?
>>338535312
There are zero reasons to oppose this.
>>338535312
I was scrolling then i saw this image
Oh no.... was all i thought.
ADD RIDLEY
Are there any 3DS mods yet?
>>338542497
why do people hate hazards too much? for the most part they affect everyone equally and you can predict them. It spices gameplay other than just killing your opponent
or am I missing something?
>>338540241
THIS IS ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO SAKURAI
LIKE SERIOUSLY
YOU COULD PICK ANY TWO TRACKS FROM TF YOU WANTED AND YOU CHOSE TO MAKE ONE OF THEM ANOTHER FUCKING JUNGLE HIJINX
>>338542773
>muh competitive playing field
>muh RNG
>>338542773
Because the option to remove all hazards would be a million times better than turning it into Final Destination.
If that's what it did I'd actually use the fucking thing, if I wanted to play on Final Destination I literally just fucking would.
>>338542378
i would also like to know
>>338542773
They're fine in concept, but recently a lot of them have been really intrusive to the actual fighting. Yellow Devil would would be fine if he didn't show up constantly every two minutes to smear his yellow shit across the entire map.
>>338541661
IS THAT FUCKING GRAND DAD
>>338542773
Because Yellow Devil is shit
>>338543080
FLEENSTONES?!
>>338542916
well yeah I also hate Final Destination
>>338542901
RNG gimmicks make sense, but most hazards aren't like that.
Yeah Yellow Devil is garbage like >>338543067 and >>338543098
say though
I dunno, I never found hazards to be unfair, I'd rather have new stages layouts than just a copypaste without hazards.
>>338542773
Because some perfectly fine stages get absolutely ruined by shitty hazards.
Gamer is how you do hazards right.
>>338542773
This provides some explanation:
http://supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Banned_stage
>That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!
Does anyone know where I can find a dump of 1.1.6? I want to start adding music but I don't want to leave my Wii U on all night dumping it myself.
>>338543291
It's less about "all hazards are unfair" and more "why not take this useless feature and turn it into something many players will like"
>>338543303
>Gamer is how you do hazards right.
And yet every "competitive" (I'm using the word lightly here) fag hates gamer.
>>338539594
so was Melee, hald the cast were slow as shit.
>>338543475
Because they're massive fucking faggots.
>tfw none of this modding shit goes to 3ds
PLEASE
>>338543475
I never hear anyone complain about it on /v/eekend. Nobody on /v/eekend is a high level player of course but a lot of them are "competitive."
>another Melee clone
>again
Just balance the characters. That's it.
Will this ever get to the point where you can add all the 3DS stages to Wii U? If not I'm not interested. Being able to play everything on one system is all I need really. None of this muh balanced competition autism.
>>338543545
The 3DS is significantly weaker than the Wii U and you can't do as much with it.
I hope it fucking rots, it took away my Ice Climbers. Hell, if there was no 3DS version we'd probably have a better game overall because they wouldn't have to shift so many man-hours to making it.
>>338535312
Cant wait for the C&D from Nintendo.
Modding an old game is one thing, modding a game on their current gen?
Lawsuits incoming.
![0284[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PHpYJL7.jpg "0284[1].jpg")
>>338543545
>playing gimped Smash in the first place.
Do you play this, too?
>>338543741
There's limitless slots for stages and characters so probably.
It doesn't display on the screen though, but there exists autismal friends that are already looking into that anyway.
>>338543829
To be fair, the Wii U won't be their "current gen" for much longer.
>>338540417
>Meanwhile, characters like Falcon can kill you with the thin air round their moves
I didn't know DDD was -that- bad, though
>>338543829
Project M started when the Wii was current gen. Project M took a few years to get big, sure, but it's not like this is going to get huge overnight when they've done nothing but remove hazards.
Also why do you want it to be C&D'd? You can just ignore it. Do you want every other person making custom skins and music packs and stage edits to get C&D'd, or are you just angry because this is aimed at a competitive crowd?
>>338543947
To be fair, you're a fucking inbred moron who shoudve been aborted with a coat hanger.
>>338543303
The Wario stages are fucking based as a whole.
>>338535312
jesus CHRIST
>>338543845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feAWdXVvc0U
dunno senpai, seems pretty decent
>>338535312
just make Wario into PM Wario, he was perfect
>>338544145
>you can just ignore it
Right back at you autismo.
You can just ignore this game. No one asked you autists to turn it into a melee clone.
>>338540417
I understand that that hitbox is somewhat nonsensical, but the hammer goes by so fast, it doesn't even matter.
How come do Nintendrones on /v/ always get triggered by mods of games they don't even have to play?
Every other gaming community embraces mods as an enhancement to the exp, but Smashtards always throw a fit over how other people wanna play their game.
PM will never happen again because after that fiasco, no major tourneys are ever gonna host it.
Relax. And enjoy seeing Smash WiiU get good gameplay and new characters.
>>338544247
The difference here is people are taking constructive efforts to make it more like what they enjoy, while you want something destructive to happen to this mod (that probably won't go anywhere) because it doesn't suit you. People might want to play as Ryu or Cloud with more competitive gameplay, just look at how much people love characters like Ike and Wario in Project M.
if you have to mod this game to be more of a competitive fighting game then theres something wrong here
>>338544746
No shit.
Sakurai has openly stated Smash WiiU isn't meant to be competitive, and the game is lacking the proper mechanics to be so.
>>338543475
The people in my scene love it for FFAs and some cheeky fuckers have even gentleman rule'd their way into it in pools matches or something, but I'm still fairly certain nobody would pick it in a tournament match they were truly determined to win because the prospect of getting fucked over by Mom at a critical moment doesn't sound too hot. That said our local scene is very lenient when it comes to stage lists compared to what you see in most tournaments around the rest of the world. When it comes to stage hazards, there are some stages where it is exactly as you've said (Halberd) and that's considered okay. (Although everyone hates picking Halberd for the low as fuck ceiling, lol.) Then there's stages that just totally change the game's focus into something else (Wrecking Crew) and that's not something you really want, is it? Also transforming stages are nice and that's why we currently play with Delfino, Wuhu, Skyloft and Siege (although again a lot people have misgivings with Siege for other reasons lol) but stages that have walkoffs at all times (WiiFit Studio) make for unfun matchups all around.
>>338535312
>Changing every single character in the game.
All 55? Are they stupid or something. Even being generous the next Smash Bros will probably be out before they finish even half the cast.
>>338544529
That's because no other modding community reached the amount of autism PM has.
Is this the birth of a new meme?
>>338544529
Either "muh original creator's intention" or "muh series's integrity". It's like mother 4, babies are upset a cool little fan project looks good. Not only but even if say mother 4 is shit actually what harm does it do? I understand if the product is shit ir uf it's being sold but it's mostly just idiots being buttblasted about something stupid.
>>338544681
>constructive
Nah, it is destructive.
Its a bunch of autists destroying an established game to reduce it to a shitty outdated version.
>>338544529
The gameplay is fine if you're not a competitivefag.
What pisses me off MORE is the absolutely atrocious single player.
>Ruined Classic Mode and Break the Targets
>No Adventure Mode
>No Board the Platforms or Race to the Finish
>Smash Run isn't on the Wii Version because "muh exclusivity"
>Smash Tour is a shitty version of Mario Party and makes 10 look like 6
>playing Smash for the singleplayer
That doesn't excuse shit, both 64 and Melee had god-tier multiplayer.
>>338545146
>>338545146
a slight change is still a change.
>>338541231
>>338541661
>>338541958
>>338543359
These simple color alternates are so perfect
Considering you can add a shit ton of costumes without replacing current ones, i'm hoping they throw in more official alts in the alleged NX port
>>338543529
>not wanting your skill to be the reason you win
Get away from here you massive fucking casual
>>338545298
>That doesn't excuse shit, both 64 and Melee had god-tier multiplayer.
single player*
>>338545346
>someone said there were around 200 extra costume slots on the disc
>the way they added characters in project m is by using the leftover costume slots + clone engine
>TWO HUNDRED SLOTS FOR CHARACTERS/ALTS
fuck me sm4sh modding is going to be incredible
>>338545118
That's more or less it
Some gimmics are fun and fair and shouldn't be deleted if there is an eventual M version of it. Shifting stages are also for the most part fine as well.
>>338545364
GO PLAY ON FINAL DESTINATION THEN YOU TRYHARD FUCK
>>338545146
Project M got to 3.0 (a.k.a. every character was rebalanced) before Smash 4 was released, and that's 41 characters, two of which weren't in the original game. This probably won't be that fast because Brawl modding had progressed a lot more when they started compared to where Smash 4 modding is, but this will probably be more like Brawl+ than Project M anyway, with the physics kept close to the vanilla game.
>>338545247
(You)
>>338545146
PM modded most of the already. Just port those over and work on the newcomers.
Just give us more costumes already. Even Sony Smash had plenty of them.
>>338545298
you're right
I actually really enjoy Smash 4 competitively, but its single player content is pretty abysmal
It's nice that they brought back event mode, but that's kind of all there is
Smash Run was fun but only for 3DS, and then there's some shitty Angry Birds clones
>>338545364
>Implying being able to easily adapt to your environment isn't part of having skill
>>338542653
>ADD RIDLEY
?
>>338545589
You know Final Destination, even in Melee, favors some characters more than others, right? Spacies in Melee have a huge advantage against non-spacies on FD. You need a set of stages so people can pick and counterpick based on what gives them an advantage, because there's no stage that doesn't offer some benefit to some matchup.
>>338545298
>Race to the Finish
That would be impossible to balance. Under what circumstances could Ganondorf beat Sonic or Captain Falcon in a footrace? Honestly something like that only works if there's custom stats.
>Board the Platforms
>Break the Targets
Those were only feasible because there were 12 characters in Smash 64 and ~25 in Melee. Try making 55 personally tailored arenas each with their own assets.
>>338545298
>>338545829
remember how most people at launch fucking despised Smash Run
funny how it grew on most anyone I've talked to, hope it's not just a one-time mode
>>338546018
>that image
Wait, does this mean you can mod in DLC characters you don't own? Could I get Corrin this way (I already purchased every other character like a sheep)?
>>338546018
>playing as a bomb
>>338546338
Yes
stages too
Where and how can i mod my wii u? I never looked into it
>>338546259
>Under what circumstances could Ganondorf beat Sonic or Captain Falcon in a footrace?
Race to the Finish is single player, anon, it was in Classic mode for Smash 64 and I think Melee (not sure whether it was Classic or Adventure in Melee).
>>338535312
>make the game more competitively focused
>changing every single character in the game to make the game more fast paced and competitive.Can't you Smash players EVER be happy with what you got?
>>338546291
The only problem with it was the ending, it's not fun to randomly race 4 CPUs or whatever, it needed a proper boss
>>338545589
>FD
>not Battlefield
You really are a casual
>>338546018
MAKE THE 3DS MAGICANT PLAYABLE ON WII U AND MAKE FLYING MAN A PLAYABLE CHARACTER
>>338546474
I'm aware. In general I don't think Race to the Finish adds as much as the other modes you listed.
>>338546491
True.
>playing as Ganon because he is a WMD to mooks
>barely any run, everything else high as hell
>fucking race
>against Shulk
>mfw
>>338546480
They were with Melee. That's why they try to make every game like Melee but with more content.
>>338546018
>metal face
>>338546018
Probably a dumb question, but is that a real mod?
If so, what would happen if you selected one of the NPCs to play as?
>>338546430
http://pastebin.com/8u0WAyJC
I recommend doing the Loadiine guide first even if you don't want to pirate games just because it blocks updates on your Wii U (use 104.236.58.203 as your DNS though, not the one listed, Nintendo blocked the listed one), then follow the Smash guide.
Also you want to do at least the Loadiine part as soon as possible because Nintendo releases firmware updates on Mondays and there's a chance they could update tomorrow, in which case you'd be fucked.
Hopefully IOSU comes out soon and we don't have to be so fearful of updates.
oh boy this is gonna be trash
faster ≠better
4 easily has the best gameplay in the series
>>338545298
Don't forget Brawl too. Terrible gameplay, but the content was great, especially Subspace.
Smash 4's singleplayer content in general is pretty mediocre.
>>338546853
>4 easily has the best gameplay in the series
No aerial momentum.
Magnetic ledges.
There are other things but these two kill it the most.
Make him real and I'll take it.
Just bring back Wolf and Ice Climbers and put all the 3DS stages on the Wii U version, I don't give a fuck about anything else
>>338547148
>Wolf
Fuck yes.I wish he'd been added instead of Roy, even though I like the changes made to Roy.
>Omega Mode changes stages to be less bullshit instead of Final Destination variants so you can put all the 'serious' stages as Omega Mode variants and all the silly stages as non-Omega Mode
>More costumes/skins
>More music
>Custom characters and stages, eventually
Oh man. Maybe the Wii U won't be such a waste after all.
>>338547012
Nothing wrong with magnetic ledges. You just gotta learn to gimp better
>>338535312
Change the physics and ledges then we're good for now
>hit someone off stage
>they gently float back or go for an easy recovery
maybe bring back melee air dodges.
>>338547148
fuck the furries, keep wolf out
i still dont understand why people would want wolf in over any of the dlc characters we got. i even hear some people that wanted wolf over cloud, ryu, and bayonetta. wtf
>>338547057
JUST
DO IT
>>338547464
Why don't you run off stage and punch them out further?
>>338547542
he was cooler than all those except bayonetta
>>338541714
>>338539760
>>338539676
Fuck off kikes.
Oh god, I hope this doesn´t turn into PM again, Once they start changing shit, and the community (more like hive mind) embraces it, there is no room for opinion and no turning back.
Stage change discussion always ends in "muh competitiveness", new characters getting added is drama fuel for both the meme spouting fanatics and the detractors who think you can´t unironically like a character, and any attempt at having an opinion in moveset changes, ensures shitstorms.
"New move is objectively the best, adapt motherfucker!". SOME of them, like Snake´s darts and Wario´s shoulder tackle, were good, but I´m still not a fan of Lucas´ shitty neutral B, nor Pit´s horrendous UpB (though that one was partially justified by him already having insane recovery and it acting as a decent offensive move). There are others like Ganon´s cape flip, aka the one projectile reflector that doesn´t reflect shit because of the small window it has (yeah yeah, git gud and all, though I´ll agree that the float was badass).
I just want to play Smash without drama, and the PM community kinda turned me off from it, even though the mod itslef was quite well done.
>>338539987
Because Smash 4 is basically just an edited Brawl. The modding is mostly the same iirc so people don't have to spend like a year or two figuring out how to do shit.
The issue was just waiting for Wii U hacking to get more accessible.
>>338547542
I want him along with the DLC characters. But he would've been a better addition than Roy
Alucard + Dracula's Castle when?
>>338547661
why is pac-man on the bottom ina kirby
ame?
>>338547148
>Wolf
I'd rather have more clones than a Frankenstein's monster character. Then again if anything he's already a Sonic clone.
>>338535312
Good. Fuck the crybabies itt that don't want a better game. It's all flowchart shit. Hopefully Reloaded fixes that.
>>338547542
His gameplay is fucking sex in Project M.
I mean if Sakurai added him officially he wouldn't play like that so I think wanting him to get in via ballot is misguided, but he has appeal.
>>338547148
I don't think the Icies or most 3DS stages will happen, not unless Smash 4 modding is REALLY open. It's already seeming a lot more open than Brawl but there have to be limits eventually, and making custom hazards can't be easy. At most we'd see some stages like Lumiose that are just platforms moving in and out, and as much as I love the Ice Climbers I'm not sure if you can get two AI to work at once.
>>338547752
Castlevania games are shit tough. Why would anyone want them?
>>338535312
>more competitively focused
But Sm4sh is very competitive already. Why is this needed? Why not just add more shit to Melee or Project M?
Just why?
>>338547982
Castlevania games are quite known for being tough.
>>338547989
>But Sm4sh is very competitive already
It's more competitive than Brawl but that doesn't say much.
>Why not just add more shit to Melee or Project M?
Because Smash 4 has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and so far seems like it's going to be a much more open modding base than Brawl was.
And, as sad as it is to say, Project M is a lost cause now that the PMDT disbanded, the community refuses to leave its corpse and play any unofficial versions, and all the main places you can talk about Project M have outright banned discussion of the 3.61 leaks or anything created from them like Project M Community Complete. I fucking loved Project M, it was my favorite Smash game, but it's dead, and a new project on the newest Smash game might lead to something as good as the glory days of Project M before everything died.
>>338548442
>It's more competitive than Brawl but that doesn't say much.
It's also more competitive than Melee. Any game that has only one viable character in a cast of dozens is noncompetitive.
>>338548516
>Any game that has only one viable character in a cast of dozens is noncompetitive.
We aren't talking about Brawl, though.
>>338548442
>It's more competitive than Brawl but that doesn't say much
Any game is competitive if people think it is, I mean look at Horse Racing. How the fuck is horse racing competitive? People treat it competitively so it is.
As long as people compete playing Sm4sh, it's competitive.
>>338545298
>leaving Brawl out
Brawl easily had the best single-player
>>338548817
>implying horse racing isn't competitive
Look at this casual
>>338548775
>Yoshi in mid B after a long period in bottom tier
reminds me, what the hell's aMSa doing these days
>>338547989
Because it looks prettier and is not Melee
>>338549004
That one is outdated
Here's the current one
Are there any added combos?
>>338547956
Dude we can literally change all Smash 4 filesystem by now, it's wide open, we can add or remove stages as we wish, hell there are already custom ones.
>>338549224
>fan votes
>>338535312
>Reloaded
AYYYYYYYYY
>>338549348
Yeah I don't get it either
Fox having his own tier shouldn't be a thing
>>338547785
This better be bait.
>>338548817
>How the fuck is horse racing competitive?
I always thought horse racing was popular just as a form of gambling.
But, while you're right that anything can be done competitively, I think there's still a crucial difference between being played competitively and being suited for competition.
Pokémon is a prime example of this. Pokémon is played competitively but holy shit is it a bad game to do so. It's filled to the brim with RNG, teams can be cookie cutter as hell depending on the meta (2014 was a better year than most but just look at the results for the 2015 VGC tournament), it's a fucking horrible system. Anything CAN be competitive but not everything SHOULD be competitive.
>>338549224
>the first list to ot be produced by the Smash Back Room, but rather by fan votes and feedback.
I'm skeptical of this list.
>>338549332
Have we seen things like hazards yet? Just asking, I was looking at the custom stages on gamebanana and one said they aren't even able to add animated textures yet. I've also seen people say they can't import new models yet. I'm sure both of these things will be doable in the future, but it doesn't sound like everything is cracked wide open yet.
What happened to Project M? I haven't been keeping up.
>we can have Snake and Ice Climbers back
this is all I want, don't touch the game otherwise
>>338547989
Better graphics,more stages and characters?
>>338549639
That's because there isn't a proper level editor yet and those things still take time to code
Technically speaking we have access to the entire Smash 4 filesystem and coding. This means that we can, quite literally, change stages at will, as well as characters, UI, etc.
>>338540241
>can add Big Top Bop
>CAN ADD PUNCH BOWL
>>338548775
7 or 6 viable characters out of 26 doesn't make it balanced too.
>>338547982
Look man, if you wanted a (You) all you had to do was ask.
>>338535312
>no mention of mechanics being changed
not pm
>>338545298
>The gameplay is fine if you're not a competitivefag.
Casual Smash player here
Sm4sh isn't fun unless you play with 5+ people and items. Pm is the most fun for me, even without items.
>>338549712
It died back in December, the dev team talked to an amateur lawyer and got super spooked and disbanded. Knuckles and Lyn were almost done too; they even got leaked (along with some extra costumes and bugfixes) and finished by fans, but the PMDT still feel the need to police the forums like Nazis and stamp out and ban any discussion of the characters, and the majority of the community refuses to touch anything not expressively approved by the PMDT, so the community is dead as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEqrFBw2C_E
It's a shame too because Knuckles is so fun to play, it's the Ganondorf version of Sonic.
>>338547989
Because Smash 4 has WAAAAY less restrictions to its engine than Brawl and Melee due to being created for DLC.
Hint: Each character has around 230 costume slots, but Nintendo still isn't making costume DLC for them.
>>338549848
That's a good argument, I'll try to remain hopeful for the future then to see if these get done.
>>338549712
Most tournaments dropped it since Nintendo was getting more involved in sponsorship
Then the devs themselves discontinued development because they where afraid of Nintendo. They're making their own game now or something.
>>338549712
They stopped development and no longer host the files themselves because they want a 0% chance of getting sued and are now working on a new IP that's likely going to be a Smash-like.
>>338550342
>tribal echidna paint from sonic adventure
Why can't we just have a Sm4sh expansion pack? with new stages/characters/costumes and shit? I mean, it's not like there will never be a way to do so, with DLC stages/characters.
>>338550452
The bad thing is that loading time is atrocious, so if you want a full mod that doesn't take ages to load stuff we still need IOSU.
How easy is it to setup? Do you need to be on an earlier Wii-U firmware and have homebrew, or is it as easy as Project-M was?
>>338535312
No Wolf, no care.
>>338550921
It's not as easy as Project M but it can be done on current firmware, see >>338546842
I again urge to block updates so this shit doesn't get patched.
>>338549224
Fox and Marth should be tied. Marth doesn't really have really a bad matchup, only loosing slightly to Sheik and Puff (but these are highly debated MUs
>>338548865
>less varied Classic
>replaced unique target test stages testing each character's abilities with 5 generic ones
>Homerun Contest's casual-safe shield
>less unique Event Matches
>removed Race to the Finish
>Adventure mode is a shitty beat 'em up with repetitive combat, shitty OC enemies, and generic, literally repeats itself halfway through for an uninspired Metroidvania
Yeah it's great.
How the fuck do tier lists keep changing for a 15 year old unpatched game?
>>338551296
players come and go, same thing for normal sports
>>338543730
Actually, I take that back. I didn't read the description until now.
>>338548775
>a character that literally hurts itself when doing 80% of it's moves
>lightweight as fuck and gets launched like 10 million times
>Not lowest
>>338551296
It's a deep game. Even though the code itself doesn't change any, the meta changes and characters perform better or worse as a result.
>>338551446
Kirby is that bad, anon.
>>338550342
>PMCC hasn't updated since early March
>>338551446
it's also got small hitboxes and a couple ok throws.
Kirby is really bad.
>>338544529
Because Nintendo fanbase is composed of babies who think that Nintendo can do no wrong.
