So.. Was it really that good of a game? Does it deserve that spin-off?
Banjo 1 is really strong until the desert world, at which point the monotony starts to set in. Jak 1 is similar in that regard. It's a good game, though, and Hookah looks fun.
>>338377015
Tooie is better is every way.
>>338377576
Only retards who think Open World is the pinnacle of game design would agree with this.
Tooie is a bloated mess that lacks the strong design sense of the original game.
>>338377269
>until the desert world
Fucking this. I've tried to play through the game several times and every time I get to the desert I just get bored and give up shortly after. I think it's just a really shitty level.
>>338377576
I like Tooie but let's be real anon. Tooie is a convoluted mess.
That ham fisted jab at collectathons in Nuts and Bolts sort of holds true for Tooie. There is too much shit, the stages being interconnected is a neat idea but most of the time you are given no clue as to where a stage connects to another stage. Like in Terrydactyland for example, how the fuck are you supposed to know that Cloud Cuckoo Land is how you obtain that jiggy. And then there is the abilities and power ups on top of abilities and power ups. I like the idea of starting the game with all the abilities you got in the first, but there is just too much shit to manage. The stages in Tooie also aren't as memorable but that is just my personal gripe.
All Banjo Tooie did better than the original was having boss fights.
>>338377813
It's because the level severely restricts your movement and punishes you for minor errors when you're playing with fucking N64 controls. The others up to that point have strong gimmicks to keep the levels segmented (icy slopes, water, etc), but the desert is a real bitch and relies on too much trial and error.
This is why DK64 is such a pain in the ass: it starts dropping stuff like this by the SECOND LEVEL and has all the worst aspects of DKC3 and Tooie.
>>338377015
What spin-off? Grunty's Revenge?
>>338377269
>Jak 1 is similar in that regard
Jak 1 is monotonous from the beginning
>>338379694
It's...okay. It just goes downhill fast near the end, just like Banjo. The final tower in Jak was real fucking good and made me wonder why the rest of the game wasn't that tight, though.
Jak 2 a fucking shit and I'll never understand the praise. If I want GTA I'll play it, and if i want a shitty platformer I'll play Ratchet. Compared to 2, 1's gold.
>>338380107
>Shitty
Shooty.
A SHOOTY platformer.
>>338379401
>crying that DK64 is too hard
Jesus, I had no issues with this back when I was 8 years old.
>>338380267
>Being annoying = Hard
No anon, fighting the controls and playing bad minigames is not hard. It's boring and frustrating because you could be spending your time playing something that's actually good. DK 64 falls into the terrible "If you're jumping a lot, it's good platforming" fallacy and has some of the most drawn out, tedious levels ever.
>>338377269
>Banjo 1 is really strong
Desert levels in general are pretty shit.
Angry Aztec in DK64 is also really shit.
>>338379676
Nah, Looka-Laylee
>>338380662
Spiritual successor=/=spinoff
And Banjo is technically a spin-off of Donkey Kong, Banjo appearing in Diddy Kong Racing before Banjo-Kazooie. Conker too.
>>338377269
>not liking mad monster mansion
I'm nostalgia blinded hard by it, but I think it's a good game, yeah.
I never liked open world platformers. I don't see the fun in roaming around collecting things.
>>338377269
The only real gripe about Gobi Valley is that damned maze puzzle. Talk about trial-and-error, and God forbid you didn't know there were musical notes IN THE MAZE.
The real bitch about Banjo-Kazooie is Rusty Bucket Bay. Fuck that level.
>>338381926
After doing Grunty Industries basically every stage in Banjo Kazooie is a cakewalk.
>>338382146
That's just it, most of them are. Banjo-Kazooie just gets a little wonky with timed puzzles, but other than that, is reasonable to expect a child to be able to clear, with time. Click Clock Wood is fucking nothing.
Grunty fight is pretty rough, though. Shoot eggs into the statues, yeah, like I can do that when she's firing off a million projectiles.
>>338377269
Are you kidding me?
Freezeezy Peak, Mad Monster Mansion and Click Clock Wood are probably the best worlds in the game.
we all agree that Rusty Bucket Bay was the worst Bajno Kazooie world and that Cloud Cuckoo Land land was the worst Tooie world right?
>>338377576
You're entirely correct but autistics that want every level to be 100%-able in 10 minutes will try to tell you otherwise.
>>338382884
No, I liked it. Better than fucking Gobi Valley at least.
>>338383112
>Bigger is better no matter what
>Not the viewpoint of an autist
Nigga, it is not a matter of speed, it's a matter of shit level design.
>>338382595
Thanks for reminding me. I'm going to play Banjo on my N64 now.
>God tier
Mad Monster Mansion
Freezeezy Peak
Click Clock Wood
Jolly Roger's Lagoon
>good tier
Mumbo's Mountain
Bubblegloop Swamp
Witchyworld
Hailfire Peaks
>meh tier
Treasure Trove Cove
Clanker's Cavern
Mayahem Temple
Glitter Gulch Mine
Terrydactyland
>shit tier
Gobi's Valley
Rusty Bucket Bay
Grunty Industries
Cloud Cuckooland
>>338377269
You couldn't be more wrong. The first 3 levels are by far the worst in the game, it only gets good in the second half.
>>338383467
I never cared for Mad Monster Mansion
>>338383604
It had a cool theme
>>338383224
Which Tooie does not have.
Witchyworld is better than any given Kazooie level and Isle O' Hags beats the hell out of Gruntilda's Lair.
>>338383748
>Isle O' Hags beats the hell out of Gruntilda's Lair.
>there are people that actually think this
wew
>>338383467
>god tier
Grunty's Furnace Fun
>good tier
Mad Monster Mansion
Freezeezy Peak
Click Clock Wood
Clanker's Cavern
Gobi's Valley
Rusty Bucket Bay
Jolly Roger's Lagoon
>shit tier
Mumbo's Mountain
Bubblegloop Swamp
Witchyworld
Hailfire Peaks
Treasure Trove Cove
Mayahem Temple
Glitter Gulch Mine
Terrydactyland
Grunty Industries
Cloud Cuckooland
fixed
>>338383467
Whenever I think about replaying it, thinking about Treasure Trove Cove is usually what convinces me to fire it up. I really like that world.
>>338383885
>grunt's furnace fun
>not shit
>liking rusty bucket bay
>not liking hailfire peaks
otherwise I gotcha
>>338383671
the level itself was annoying to me with the thorny bushes,cup spelling segment,and the stealth section standing out
>>338383974
I loved how it was just a beach level but then you learn to fly and get to go to that grassy place above the island.
>>338377015
Played it as a kid and then again a year and a half ago. It still holds up, same with Tooie. Still two of the best 3D platformers of all time.
>Tooie
>Mumbo sections
just kill me
>>338383112
when i wander around a level for an hour trying to figure out where that last jiggy is, only to find out i get it via some other world later in the game, im gonna be pissed.
>>338384332
IIRC the only section in the game where Mumbo was annoying was Terrydactyland.
>>338382884
I liked it more than Freezeezy Peak because it didn't have that fucking Boggy race.
>>338377269
I really like the music and aesthetic of the desert world, and the internal areas are great. That said, the layout of the area is cluttered and vertical, and I found it tricky when I was younger to navigate it well. Playing back, it's fine - I actually found it the most refreshing part as I remembered the least.
Mad Monster Mansion represent
>>338383868
>Small enclosed space with fuckall to explore and find other than 10 jiggies
vs
>Huge open world with collectables and secrets strewn throughout
Why was Tooie so much less fun that Kazooie?
>>338377576
I never played Tooie as a kid. I replayed Banjo about three or four years ago and had a blast, then went straight on to Tooie. The plot seemed engaging but the tone shift was poor, and holy crap the bloating. God. Enemies that respawn, and everything was a pain to get from A to B. Couldn't be fucked. That Mumbo stuff was just annoying as well, contrived and unfun in stark contast to Kazooie's transformations.
Still cry everytime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUqd1Y1p_Jg
Anybody else get this tape in the mail when they were kids? Whole reason I played the game.
>>338382459
You can repeat that again. Grunty was the hardest thing I ever had to deal with as a kid. I can beat her fine as an adult but she definitely requires more focus and coordination. The fact that I'm also better at the game in general as an adult and so enter the fight with a full doubled health bar and so on also helps. I'd practically have needed all those upgrades just to win as a kid.
>>338384836
Nah I found about Kazooie when my family use to rent games form Hollywood Video and I rented it like 4 months in a row
>>338384974
>>338382459
Grunty was bullshit to 12 year old me and still kinda of annoying when I last replayed it a few years ago
>top tier
Witchyworld
Freezeezy Peak
Click Clock Wood
Hailfire Peaks
Grunty Industries
Rusty Bucket Bay
>great tier
Treasure Trove Cove
Jolly Roger's Lagoon
Mayahem Temple
Clanker's Cavern
both Grunty quiz levels
>good enough tier
Mumbo's Mountain
Bubblegloop Swamp
Glitter Gulch Mine
Gobi's Valley
>bad tier
Mad Monster Mansion
Cloud Cuckooland
>worst level tier
Terrydactyland
>>338383467
Clanker's Cavern has glorious music though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDlBHbf9C1U
I always felt sorry for Clanker. He's a cool giant sharkwhale pet.
>>338385106
>Grunty Industries
>Rusty Bucket Bay
>not shit tier
Opinion discared
>>338385162
Clanker was a bro, would save and chill with
>>338377015
No, it's even better.
Might be a top 5 game, and I've played everything there is.
>>338383974
It's comfy as fuck. TTC is a lesson in how to make a spacious level work, that Rare forget for Tooie and perhaps thereafter. It's a pleasure to navigate its every corner and cranny.
BK > BT > the GBA game > shit > Nuts and Bolts
>cuckstarter by Rare's leftovers
>spin-off
Nuts & Bolts was fine
>>338385194
I have a huge bias towards industrial levels and I loved the challenge of both of them.Grunty Industries is also one of the better done big levels in Tooie
>>338385568
Most of my hatred of Rusty Bucket was me being a retard as a kid and waiting tell the end to get the notes down in the fan room. I just thought Rusty Bucket Bay was too big
>>338377576
Tooie is pretty shitty early on. Its not until Witchy world that it starts to pick up but then it does a nose dive with terrydactyl land and finally is actually good when you have most of the abilities and only hailfire and grunty industries are left.
>>338385568
I meant Grunty Industries was too big
>>338383974
>>338384180
>>338385818
witchyworld and hailfire peaks are the only levels I enjoy
Banjo Kazooie is pretty great all the way through and I use to like Tooie more but in retrospect Tooie is filled with "fuck its time for that section" moments
>>338385893
I think the indoor setting helped ease the size issue of Tooie levels.It was all contained on a lot of floors
>Most of my hatred of Rusty Bucket was me being a retard as a kid and waiting tell the end to get the notes down in the fan room.
I'm sure most people have made this mistake once,myself included
>>338385915
He freaked me out as a kid, but I realized you could kill him as an adult. Every time I play it now, I make sure to do just that as soon as possible. Unfortunately, he respawns after a while (respawning enemies in Tooie were just the worst).
I remember that bull in Mumbo's Mountain being invincible. Even though as a kid, I was afraid to fight it for that reason, along with the fact that it was aggressive, it left me curious, making me wonder if there was a way to permanently beat it. It's such an outlier among enemies.
>that one jiggy you could never get as a kid
what's her name /v/?
>>338386516
YOU CAN KILL THAT PRICK!??
>>338386520
>not spoilering that
Triggered.
Let's see those rhymes /v/.
>>338385106
>Mad Monster Mansion
>bad
More like good
>Bubblegloop Swamp
>Gobi's Valley
>good enough
More like tedious
>Grunty Industries
>TOP
MY MAN, I DON'T GET THE HATE FOR THIS LEVEL.
>>338386557
Bring him near the shore and shoot eggs at him. You might have to do it a couple times, but it kills him.
Kazooie is great and I honestly still prefer it to Mario 64. The latter has better physics but BK beats in everything else and positively oozes with character.
Tooie wasn't awful, but the level design wasn't nearly as good. Too many big, empty spaces and not enough to do. Terrydactyland is the worst example of this.Fuck the canary too.
>>338386516
>>338386557
>spent so much time trying to kill him as a kid
this fucker was my mortal enemy
>>338386618
>>338386746
Can't you gold feather him to death?
>>338386857
You can gold feather him to submission, but he never dies, IIRC
>>338386857
I've never tried that to my memory, but most attacks will simply make him do an injured animation until he falls on the ground for a little bit.
>>338378165
>let's be real
>Tooie is a convoluted mess
pick one
Grunty Industries is the one level I hate playing through, but other than that I really enjoy the game. Tooie is garbage though, and that's coming from someone that got 100% on the game twice.
>>338382595
Freezeezy peak appears to be before Gobi's desert
>>338386634
>Mad Monster Mansion
>bad
>More like good
I'm willing to admit that the level isn't objectively bad,it's just not my kind of level
>Bubblegloop Swamp
>Gobi's Valley
>good enough
>More like tedious
thats why they are only good enough. I think the swamp might be bad tier thinking more about it though
>Grunty Industries
>TOP
>MY MAN, I DON'T GET THE HATE FOR THIS LEVEL.
nice to see someone who agrees with me on this
>>338383467
>RBB
>shit tier
TAKE IT BACK TAKE IT BACK TAKE IT BACK
>>338387582
see >>338385710
It was probably just me being dumb as a kid
>>338387513
I have mixed feelings about the swamp. Nice set pieces, the crocodile race is a cool challenge, good music, maze is a far challenge. But so much of the layout is bleck.
>>338385106
Swap Clanker's cavern and glitter gulch mine and that's pretty much the most accurate list ITT.
Now I want to play some Banjo Kazooie...that Rare Replay is about the only thing worth a damn on my Xbone.
What is everyones' expectations of Yooka-Laylee?
>>338388883
7/10 until proven otherwise
>>338388883
Not that great. Simply because up until now I've yet to see a "here's that game you've all wanted for years" that lived up to expectations.
>>338380906
>And Banjo is technically a spin-off of Donkey Kong, Banjo appearing in Diddy Kong Racing before Banjo-Kazooie. Conker too
So are all Mario games. I'm pretty sure every video game ever is in some way a spin-off from Donkey Kong.
Almost as if Donkey Kong is the evolutional primitive video games.
>>338388883
Good but won't match up to Banjo is what I'm expecting.
>>338388883
Looks good so far, but I won't be 8 like I was with Banjo Kazooie so the magic just won't quite be there. I expect it to be a fun game that I probably won't remember after a couple years
>>338388883
oh and here is the new information about it
http://www.playtonicgames.com/raising-the-curtain/
>>338388883
Compared to fuckall being released this year, Im pumped
>>338389737
>fuckall
>ignoring Persona 5 and Nier 2
>>338389115
Zelda isn't a spinoff of DK.
Pong predates DK.
Pretty sure most MUDs are older.
>>338389820
Those games dont interest me, Im sorry
>>338390181
fair enough
>>338377015
Yes. But then again 3D collectathon monotonous platformers are my favorite games.
>>338390339
You must be happy they are becoming relevant again
>>338391083
Very. Appeals to some kind of OCD in me or something.
>>338391254
for good reason
>>338381418
i havent even llayed them and i can see how stupid your simple thought is. Literally two posts below you they talk about puzzles, literally the only thing you would need to know.
>>338383467
>meh tier
>Treasure Trove Cove
You nigger.
>>338377015
>Was it really that good of a game?
yes
Does it deserve that spin-off?
in this day and age? dont, let it keep its dignetynuts and boltsDmC devil my crydungeon keeper
>>338386520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtN8XGuYM8
>>338392351
Where the hell is that scream from, anyway? It sounds like an exaggerated male orgasm.
>>338390027
That one flower boss in the first Zelda is a Piranha Plant from Mario.
>>338393172
Four heads going outwards rather than one head upwards, and a different design in every other sense. You can't just point to shared elements, it has to be literally "Ganon first appeared in Mario Bros 2".
>>338392530
It is an exaggerated male orgasm
>>338382595
this
gobi's desert was shit, but you were meant to skip most of it desu
>>338387582
>>338387803
yeah RBB was hard, but it was amazing
also for anyone else, watch the AGDQ 2014 and 2013(2015? It was 2 consecutive years) Grant Kirkhope calls in and talks about the game and it's amazing.
Like, he mentioned that the piano in mad monster mansion was keyed to play along with the BGM and that's fucking amazing
>>338380107
Ill admit Im a huge fan of Jak 1, so i honestly wanna know what egregious crime it committed to be considered "ok"
>>338386685
I think jumping on him while having wonderwing active also works.
>post yfw that kid at school told you about dragon Kazooie then you got it for yourself
>>338385162
The entire game has glorious music. It's what I'm most hyped about for yooka wee wee.
>>338392530
It's from a porno.
>>338386618
I hype so at least
>>338397314
Grant Kirkhope and David Wise working together. it's gonna be OST of the year it comes out in guaranteed
>>338397630
It's going up against the Persona 5 ost...
>>338394361
That was excellent. Grant is a legend, a prime example of northern english clout.
>>338398284
like I said,Yooka-Laylee is guaranteed to be OST of the year
David Wise>Robin Beanland>Grant Kirkhope
