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>awkward as fuck camera
>disjointed z targetting combat makes me feel like i'm literally playing two different games at once
>simon says enemies; 50% of the game's length is literally just waiting
>bosses are just "stun with item from earlier in the dungeon, walk up and then mash B button"
>"open world" that's dictated by the pointless story that gets in the way of your exploration
>no exploration; every optional area is literally just you lifting/blowing up a rock, dropping in the hole, opening a treasure chest inside and then leaving
>puzzles are mindless "look for another eye in the room that you forgot to shoot your hookshot at!" garbage or worse; "look for the item in that treasure chest that you missed 4 rooms back, THEN you can solve the puzzle!"
>navi's entire character
>all of the water temple
>pointless minute long chest opening animations
tell me again how this is the greatest game of all time?
You know a game is great when autists are still getting mad at it 18 years later.
>>338366457
They never played link to the past and don't realize that everything OoT did good, other zeldas did better.
Ocarina of Time is a game that would go on to become pretty much the blueprint for 3D Action-Adventure/Open World games forward.
So yeah no shit it's kind of dated, almost every game released today was influenced by it in some shape or form.
>>338366945
So what you're saying is you and everyone else is aware it's a bad game, but we should keep pretending it's good and deserves it's 99 on Metacritic because of "influence" and other meaningless buzzwords? Okay. That's all you had to say.
I've attempted to finish a Zelda game multiple times. It has never worked out, and I always stop playing due to lack of interest. There's a reason so many gurrrl gamers love Zelda: it's easy, the puzzles can all be googled, and the story/setting are as boring and straight forward as it gets.
>>338366457
>50% of the game's length is literally just waiting
This meme will be Arins biggest contribution to the world
>>338367180
>it's easy, the puzzles can all be googled
Uh, what game has puzzles that CAN'T be googled?
>>338367110
Do you understand what the term "dated" means? It wasn't dated in 1998 you dumb fuck.
>>338367110
I mean what do you want? Game review sites to make a bunch of low score OoT reviews in 2016 to offset the score?
>>338367421
>>338367347
Okay but say it with me now, "I know Ocarina Of Time is an extremely bad game but it was good in 1998"
Just want you to make yourself clear because that seems to be the point you're making.
>>338367110
>Being angry at metacritic scores taken from reviews written almost 20 years ago.
Don't be such a fucking idiot.
People speak well of it because of nostalgia and remembering how groundbreaking it was. But most people who play it today know very well that it's a dated game.
>>338367323
That one where all the puzzles are connect the dots has puzzles in a few spots that randomly generate every time you try them
>>338367646
Again, say it with me, "this game is bad, but i'm pretending it's good because I enjoyed playing through it nearly two decades ago so you should stop criticizing my shit game"
game still good
>>338367880
Not really unless you have the mind of a child
>>338367815
>>338367538
It's dated, yes, but by no means a shit game.
I get you're just b8ing and all, but you can do better than this. OoT is an easy target for the nostalgia goggles argument. Try something harder for your b8 next time.
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>GOD TIER
Link's Awakening
The Oracle Of Seasons
The Oracle Of Ages
>GREAT/STILL ESSENTIAL TIER
The Hyrule Fantasy
Adventure Of Link
>PRETTY GOOD TIER
A Link To The Past
Twilight Princess
A Link Between Worlds
Minish Cap
>PLAY IF YOU MUST TIER
Ocarina Of Time
>BAD TIER
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
SHIT, SHIT, AVOID AT ALL COSTS TIER
Skyward Sword, the DS games
>>338367902
>Not really unless you have the mind of a child
If you're trying to come as 15 years old you're doing an amazing job.
You remind me of people back in high school who hated Wind Waker when it was released because it looked like a "kiddie game."
>>338368024
Compare it to the average open world action game or RPG in the last three years and tell me it does literally anything better than something like Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Xenoblade or even GTA V.
Nothing is wrong with Navi. How did this meme perpetuate that she was the most annoying thing in the universe? Her hints and tip came only at the occasional time. Hell most people didn't even open the prompt when she would say "Hey! Listen!" and she wouldn't talk for the rest of the time because she's stuck waiting for you to open her dialogue box up.
I swear I only see memeshitting normies treat her as annoyance.
>>338366457
It's the first and only Zelda game most N64 babbies have ever played. I refuse to believe people who played ALttP/LA before OoT and think the latter is better exist.
>>338366457
>simon says enemies
That's not what Simon Says enemies are. If you want a really egregious example of that, check out Skyward Sword.
>>338368219
I was a poor kid who got hand-me-downs. I played LttP first before OoT.
I prefer OoT.
>>338367323
Even life has googlable puzzles now and women are complaining that it's unfair.
>>338368219
Why? Did you miss the part where OoT defined 3D gaming while ALTTP didn't even beat contemporary nintedo games like Yoshi's Island and Super Metroid?
>>338368270
>Simon says wait
>Simon says you can attack now
>Simon says wait
>Simon says you can shoot your hookshot at my eye now
>Simon says wait
>Simon says block with your shield to reflect my attack back to me
Sounds pretty 'Simon Says' to me pal.
>>338368053
>forgetting me
>>338368219
Fags like you will watch Egoraptor and pretend you know shit, but let me tell you how things really were.
Zelda was Nintendo's B-franchise. Hot during the NES days but fizzled out after the dreadful cartoon and alttp. Meanwhile Mario was getting bigger, Metroid was getting bigger, Zelda had already stagnated. You looked at the N64 lineup and figured, a new zelda, whatever. When's the new Metroid?
The OOT hit the scene and you'd think a bombshell struck.
>>338368384
You can do that for literally every enemy in every game, retard.
>>338368219
I had LA for gameboy and preferred OOT. You forget how important graphics and new play styles are in the moment.
>>338368509
Not that guy, but you're a literal retard if you disregard bullethell games.
Post the moment that made you realize you were playing a masterpiece.
>>338368576
I meant of the same kind of real time action genre.
>>338368053
>>PRETTY GOOD TIER
>A Link To The Past
What makes it so much worse than Link's Awakening/the Oracle games for you anon? I honestly think it's as good if not better.
>>338368509
>Skyrim
>literally attack at any moment and your hits will do damage
>GTA 5
>literally attack at any moment and your hits will do damage
>Fighting games
>literally attack at any moment and your hits will do damage, you can even string them into multiple hits to maximize your damage
>Deus Ex
>literally attack at any moment and your hits will do damage, OR choose to not attack at all and sneak past them to advance
Nope.
>>338368509
>What are SHMUPS
>What are typical FPS games
>What are racing games with bashing mechanics
OoT had it so it HAD to be the enemy to attack first.
Other genres make it the most important thing for YOU, THE PLAYER to strike first.
>replying seriously to a shitty bait copypasta
Why does OoT trigger so many autists? It's still a good game.
>>338368384
DMC is Simon Says?
>>338368628
>Okami
>Darksiders
>Kane's Legacy
Just stop, dude.
>>338368509
You're an idiot if you honestly believe this.
The only good enemy in OoT was the Iron Knuckle because you, the player, dictated the fight and his attack patterns.
>>338368628
So that applies to Dark Souls and God of War and Monster Hunter then?
>>338368785
>you can only attack when the enemy isn't blocking or hitting you
>>338368628
You don't actually believe this do you?
>people actually getting angry when every point in the OP was lifted from arin's shitty video
>>338368746
>The only good enemy in OoT was the Iron Knuckle
>>338366457
>>disjointed z targetting combat makes me feel like i'm literally playing two different games at once
Fuck off egoraptor
>>338368480
>The OOT hit the scene and you'd think a bombshell struck.
This.
Zelda was big before, with OOT, Zelda got absolutely huge. If you weren't around back then it's hard to properly grasp how big of a deal Zelda actually was.
It was basically what Skyrim is to the masses now. People bought an N64 just to play OOT, I know I did.
>>338368207
Ok, I think your b8 is a bit too stupid now. It's time to stop posting, anon.
>>338367110
>Influence is a buzzword
This is so much worse than 'fun is a buzzword' but it gets a free pass?
The thread should've just stopped there. There are no more mountains of retardation left to climb here.
Everyone here, even me, is posting too late to write anything insightful or witty and too early to witness the next great pinnacle of 'merely pretending.'
Granted, this means that this thread will be 450/90/30/1 when it starts to slide but god damn, people. Is this really the level of shit you're willing to put up with, even here?
>>338367180
My girlfriend hates zelda and i love it.
She beat ocarina of time but she needed google because she didnt know where to go.
I was just telling that she needs to read carefully, you literally cant get lost in this game. Both navi and saria tell you exactly what to do.
The dungeon formula is simple.
>get item in dungeon
>use item to get boss key
>beat boss using item
Egoraptor complaints against ocarina of time are dumb. That idiot doesnt use items like deku nuts in combat
>>338368682
Not really OoT had it so you had to. Bait the enemy into attacking first and then countering.
It's teaching you IRL combat strategy. You fake an attack, make the opponent loose his guard and surprise!
The whole eye switches and eye weakpoinys is again IRL tactics in 1 on 1 combat. Your eyes are your weakest point and if you can disable opponents sight they're no longer a threat.
Holy shit don't talk about combat if you've never sparred.
>>338368990
There's a reason fantasy exist as a concept. Because reality is typically shitty most of the time and attempting to apply real world rules to games also brings in the shitty aspects to it.
Making an excuse like "realism = better!" is literally one reason knee-jerk /v/irigins will hound you on for using.
>>338367180
>the puzzles can all be googled
back in 1998, it wasn't that easy for most of us.
>>338366457
>>awkward as fuck camera
it works perfectly
>>disjointed z targetting combat makes me feel like i'm literally playing two different games at once
what
>>simon says enemies; 50% of the game's length is literally just waiting
learn to use your items
>>bosses are just "stun with item from earlier in the dungeon, walk up and then mash B button"
forest temple ganon, bongo bongo, and others dont follow this formula. when they do it's done in an interesting way like koume & kotake
>>"open world" that's dictated by the pointless story that gets in the way of your exploration
it's not open world it's semi open world, more areas become available as you progress. this is a good thing
>>no exploration; every optional area is literally just you lifting/blowing up a rock, dropping in the hole, opening a treasure chest inside and then leaving
exploration isnt limited to just hyrule field, there's plenty of it
>>puzzles are mindless "look for another eye in the room that you forgot to shoot your hookshot at!" garbage or worse; "look for the item in that treasure chest that you missed 4 rooms back, THEN you can solve the puzzle!"
try playing the adult link dungeons. you know, the meat of the game.
>>navi's entire character
navi is a good and non intrusive helper
>>all of the water temple
it's anj amazing dungeon with a complex layout and great mini boss (even if its exploitable the atmosphere is amazing), try harder
>>pointless minute long chest opening animations
they aren't pointless, and theyre far from that long. play the game
>>338368906
This can still be proven. As mentioned earlier, OoT was most people's first Zelda - That's because it was only moderately big before.
I don't think SM64 was many people's first Mario.
>>338368990
Do you really think the skinny chinky eyed twink asians that worked on OoT had actual real life combat and boxing tactics in mind when creating their shitty babby's first dungeon crawlerf? The level of mental gymnastics with OoT fanboys is real.
>>338368625
I used to say oot was better and part of it was MM being an edgy game and oot coming out first, but now after replaying both 3ds version back to back i can say that majora's mask is the better game whose only fault is that there are only 4 dungeons.
I replay oot all the time, but revisiting mm really struck a chord with me
>>338368841
I don't get your point since that's largely true for OoT while there's maybe like 3 examples of that between all of Dark Souls and Monster Hunter; it does happen in God of War slightly more but still quite rare.
>>338368990
>>338368682
You fucks you can use items besides the sword in combat
Git gud
>>338368649
>Fighting games
>literally attack at any moment and your hits will do damage, you can even string them into multiple hits to maximize your damage
ahahhahahaha
>>338369216
>whose only fault is that there are only 4 dungeons.
That's not a fault, that's a shortcoming which severely reduces the overall worth of the game. Shit, even just the child segment of OoT which was basically the intro had almost as much content as all of MM.
>>338369114
Basics of combat are universal
>>338369216
MM's 4 dungeons never bothered me desu. There was so many long-running sidequests that took up the time of an actual dungeon I see why they did it.
>>338369304
Some enemies were immune to the Deku seeds.
And by the time they were vulnerable to them they already opened themselves up to the hit.
Stalfos were the worst enemies in the game and they became more frequent. They were fucking immune to bombs and din's fire too when they had the shield up.
>>338369204
They went for horse rides to get Epona mechanics right
So yes, they also had a real swordsman do Links sword attack animations
>>338368053
>The Hyrule Fantasy
...the what?
>>338369304
>if I let you swing a sword at me then you can
alternatively
>if i let you use a particular item then you can while I'm immune to every other item
wow...
>>338369337
> Someone actually believes this
>disjointed z targetting combat makes me feel like i'm literally playing two different games at once
fuck off egoraptor
>>338367538
>>338367180
>1998+18
>What it's like to discuss OoT with someone who was born in the same year the game got released
>>338368384
>Sword/shield fighting isn't about finding an opening in your opponents defense, it's about smashing buttons as fast you can like a retard.
>>338369451
>Stalfos
There is exactly 16 of them in the entire game and they serve as mini bosses.
>>338368384
Dark Souls is Simon says, too.
>>338369679
>Finding an opening in your opponent's defense
>Them literally lowering their sword or turning their back on you in the middle of a fight practically screaming YOU CAN KILL ME NOW
>>338369502
Real swordman don't fucking do jump attacks and swing vertically because you open yourself up to be pierced and quickly killed, dunderhead.
>>338369778
It is if you're a massive scrub I guess.
>>338368270
>>338368384
Git gud. You can cut down any enemy in the game in a few seconds provided you know what you are doing. Check out one of the speedruns.
Also
>Hating combat that amounts to more than just pushing B
>>338369204
Do you also think fighting game developers are champion boxers or something?
>>338366529
This desu
>>338369878
>Git gud
I'm saying Skyward Sword has easy combat you moron
>>338366457
Yeah, it's overrated as fuck, just like Half-Life.
Zeldafags will never be able to admitWindwakerwas best Zelda.
>>338369961
It doesn't. If you weren't bad at other games you'd realize this.
here's your "you"
>>338369878
>Speedrunners
>People who try to find exploits in the game's mechanics and typically aim for the fastest completion times
10/10 you're a fucking natural brainac Speedrunners spam the shit out of the deku seeds. How the fuck is that better than waiting when some enemies can't be paralyzed?
>>338370009
What? If I was bad at other games why would I find Skyward Sword's combat easy? Your line of reasoning makes no sense.
>disjointed z targetting combat makes me feel like i'm literally playing two different games at once
I get that you're just spouting off the same retarded shit from egoraptor's video, but you should probably leave out the parts that show how inept he is at 3d spaces.
The Internet generation's taste greatly differs with normal people because of what overuse and addiction does to their brains
>water temple
>hard
>>338370076
Think about what you just said, it makes perfect sense.
>>338370136
>water temple
>bad
Guess some people just don't like naked women, fighting a clone of yourself and the longshot.
>>338367538
I remember when people born after OoT was release weren't old enough to know about this place.
>>338366457
Egoraptor pls
>>338370045
we already discovered that your thread is terrible bait that's ripped off from the egoraptor video, why are you still trying in this thread? don't you have something better to do than shitpost about zelda?
>>338370285
Nice job not being to tell out who's the OP.
You keep showing how much of a fucking genius you are, my man.
>>338370186
>Think about what you just said, it makes perfect sense.
If you use autist logic then that might be true possibly.
>>338370186
>Think about what you just said, it makes perfect sense.
>if you weren't bad at games you wouldn't find SS easy
??????
>>338368053
You know a game is good when butthurt fanboys put it in the shit tier. Put ss in top tier and mm in shit and it's accurate.
>>338366457
It's aged a hell of a lot better than most N64 games, and even a lot of PC games of the time
>there are people on /v/ who enjoy flat blue fields and sandbars with 20 rupees
>>338368384
even when the stalfos has its shield it, it periodically drops the shield every once in a while for a couple frames that allow a good player a chance to attack while the weakspot is exposed
you dont even need to wait for him to attack to attack him because he drops his guard while he's defending too
its only as much a waiting game as you are bad at the game
>>338366457
The fact that it's the 2nd most popular speedrunning game to this day speaks volumes to the depth and complexity that the gameplay has to offer.
>Someone plays an old game
>They are legitimately surprised that it technologically flawed compared to modern ones in the same genre
>>338369994
You must be speaking to the wrong Zelda fags, a lot of them are BIG Wind Waker and Majora fans
Hell, there's even Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword sympathisers coming out of the woodworks. TP I can kinda get but the idea of people unironically thinking Skyward Sword is good by Zelda standards or otherwise is frankly mind-boggling to me
Edgy OP. Really edgy.
