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Working as intended, amirite?
>It just works differently, and more situational!
>It's supposed to affect bumblefuck something!
>You shouldn't min/max poise anyways!
>>"Have a set of heavy armor, a ring, a spear, and a shield that boosts this incredibly useless stat!"
-Miyazaki
This is bumblefucking stupid though, I expected some form or rework based off of DS1 poise because Miyazaki directed this. It looks like that game Bloodborne really brought some things over here.
>No poise, only naked Hyper Armor
>Magic is useless
God Damn, I want to go back to DS1.
I hope to fucking God that the new patch delivers Poise.
>>338262627
DELETE THIS HYPER ARMOR POISE IS HYPER ARMOR
>>338262627
>Bumblefuck
You have to be 18 to post here, sport.
>I want to go back to DS1
Fucking do it then. It hasn't been erased from history.
>>338262627
bravo miyahacki :')
bravo my friend :'~)
>>338262627
I really hope you don't want the dark souls 1 system back.
>>338262757
the stat in your character window doesn't affect Hyper Armor. so you're an all caps posting retard.
the poise stat MIGHT increase i-frames on rolls post-hit. that's still being tested- because it currently doesn't have an obvious use
Dark souls 2 was better
>>338262852
Being able to walk through Great Hammer R1's is retarded, of course I'd like a reworked system of it.
>>338262908
This poise system is more convoluted than the Gravelord Covenant was.
>>338262909
It was
>people unironically want das1's poise system back
>>338262909
>>338263009
I half agree, the DS2 DLC is probably better than anything in 3. Maybe the DS3 DLC will fix everything.
>>338262627
This meme stat deserved to die
What are you crying about? Not being able to play the whole game without having to dodge with your guitar hero controller for your twitch channel?
>>338263056
Read the thread, people want a rework.
>>338263056
Some of us just want to know why there's a poise stat if it doesn't do anything noticeable.
or ya know, acknowledge the community when they ask what the fuck it does
>>338263109
Read the OP
>>338262627
That thumbnail kinda looks like a giant disembodied horsecock rubbing against his head
It's funny how the three best games in the series by far (DeS, BB, DkS3) all had no poise
Take your poise and shove it right up your ass you fucking casual scum. Based Miyazaki BTFOing you fatrolling poise faggots
>>338263101
The thing I loved about DS1 that was lost in DS2 is that heavy armor actually made you feel like a big heavy tank. That's what I like to do in RPG's, see how indestructible I can make a character, and poise gave a real feeling of your character being a tank.
>>338262627
I have a brilliant idea on making this whole no-poise thing work.
>Vitality is a stat requirement for armor
>Failing to meet the req means you fatroll
It should make up for no poise.
>>338263101
>What are you crying about?
about a dagger staggering 300lbs of metal, leather, flesh, and bone. that shit is retarded.
it doesn't have to be DaS1, but make the fucking stat do SOMETHING.
how are you people this fucking retarded? jesus, stop eating the paint you shit sippers.
>>338262627
DS1 poise was cancer. If you can't see how, then you're absolutely retarded. This is coming from the guy that illustrated how it worked first.
>>338263140
I did, but apparently you didn't.
> I expected some form or rework based off of DS1 poise because Miyazaki directed this.
see also
>>338263001
>of course I'd like a reworked system of it
No one wants a straight port of the DS1 system, just not stripping out the feature entirely.
I suppose its a pointless stat like durability but whatever there are much worse problems in the game
>>338263274
>I want to go back to DS1.
Comprehension, mate. Read it in order.
>>338263193
>DS1
>made you feel like a big heavy tank
Dark Wood Grain Ring fixed that.
>>338263298
The only reason I think durability should be in the game is as fuel for the weapons that use it for special attacks, otherwise durability systems in games are retarded, pointless, and only add tedium
>>338263101
This dude fuck poise
If they reinstated this shit people would just stack Havels and spam dark sword/estoc with an offhand greatshield.
A fixed system WOULD be somewhat interesting but poise either exists or it doesn't. There's no way to not abuse it if it gets brought back.
>>338263190
>BB
Nice work, strawman!
There is no equip load in Bloodborne.
Nice try.
>>338263265
>>338263056
Can't you people read?
>>338263326
DS1 was brought up because it actually had poise.
Dark Souls 2 would also be fine.
Funny enough no one posts a video showcasing how poise is in DS1 but keep mentioning in when people want something in DS3
>>338263326
As in, the dark souls 1 system is preferable to NO system at all. That doesn't mean the ideal solution isn't a happy medium. You're just being obtuse, it's obvious what he meant.
>>338263329
I didn't use that ring because I wasn't into min-maxing, I just liked building a big golem and smashing things.
Several people did some testing, poise is literally an "on/off" thing.
The difference between 0 and 0.1 poise has an effect on hyper armor with certain weapons. But as long as it's positive, it makes no difference how high or low it is.
>>338262627
>God Damn, I want to go back to DS1.
Remember to level up resistance when you do.
>>338263390
That also means dark sword and estoc will not do as well against heavy weapons with high poise as well. This works either way.
>>338263480
I get what you mean, but my own immersion was automatically ruined when I got invaded by a ninja-flipping Havel.>inb4 don't play online
Of course /v/ is full of not very clever people who thik that "poise working" must mean "it's as powerful as DaS1!"
There is a miggle ground you know, some people just want their heaviest armor in the game to shug off one dagger or rapier hit.
>>338263689
Didn't they fix that though? Where the DWGR only works if you're below 25% instead of 50%? It was definitely towards the end of the games life though.
i can survive a hornet yhorms parry and a bkglaive weapon art combo with 35 vig and the sunset set
im certain the heavy armor helps so at least its not completley useless
>>338262627
>wearing no armor
>die in one or two hits from bosses
>walk around at sanic speed and have fast rolling so can dodge everything with ease
>wearing heaviest armor
>still die in one or two hits from bosses
>moves slowly and fatrolls so cannot dodge well
Someone tell me what's the point of wearing heavy armor
>>338263857
Fashion
>>338263857
Fashion
>>338263857
Because Miyazaki hates Str users and always has, so Dex will always be dick sucked sadly
>>338262627
It's not coming back. Stop fucking crying and adapt to the situation.
Or just kill yourself? Would certainly solve a lot of problems.
>>338263563
You get the same thing in DS3.
You can actually have the Hornet Ring.
I like to use the Rapier over the Estoc, because it lets me spam more and it has a higher crit multiplier.
>>338263857
Fashion
>>338263857
You either leave PvP or PvE imbalanced, or make have two sets of stats and systems for every weapon and armor in the game that are in "PvE balance mode", and then when thrown in a PvP situation they take up "PvP balance mode" and remain that way for the remainder of the encounter.
>>338263857
Is there any difference between your rolling speed when you're below the obvious 70% line?
>>338263779
Yeah, 1.06 fixed that. But early on it was horrible. Every faggot run around in full Havels with a lightning zweihander, doing cartwheels like he's naked.
>>338263957
>adapt to the situation
You mean pick up on the fastroll dexmain faggotry?
Isn't that what we've all been doing
>>338263978
PvE is already unbalanced.
>>338262627
Bloodborne is the superior game though, so whatever carried over from it is a good thing.
Cry about your poor build somewhere else.
>>338264080
Or grab a big fag two hander and abuse the living fuck out of hyper armor.
Estoc fags fall for it every time. It's even more hilarious when they try to parry it.
>>338263957
You're coming at this from a PvP players perspective. Not everyone is crying because they can't make a havel-dad, most of us are just heavy weapons/armor uses that want to make a heavy tank character and can't do that as well without poise. Full heavy armor feels flimsy when you get knocked around by a strong breeze.
I just want my character to feel "sturdy", you know? Like a proud, unfaltering knight. I think that's genuinely fucking cool, fuck you.
>>338264162
Or a big fat two hander.
Not sure if there's any big fag two handers in the game.
>>338263952
>Because Miyazaki hates Str, Int and Faith users and always has, so Dex will always be dick sucked sadly
>>338264162
Do you mean carrying a Hollow Morning Star while buffing it with Carthus Rogue?
That's my meta right there.
Dudes get bled the fuck out, insta-poise, and all that good shit from being able to fuck up most turtles.
>You can wear full Havel's with Wolf Ring+2 and can still be stunlocked to death by rats
>this is somehow acceptable
Another case of PvP ruolining PvE, oh but enemy Poise works just fine.
>>338264162
>people parry spamming my 2h zwei attacks
>>338263079
Save that money you were going to spend on the dlc and wait for the re-release. Has there been a single soul game they didn't re-release anyways?
>>338264353
Maybe you shouldn't be wearing Havels in pvp you fucking fag
>>338264367
>dipshit tries to parry my astora greatsword swings
>he rolls away to estus
>L2+R2
>laugh maniacally as he hits the floor and turns to dust
>>338263408
This kid is retarded
Give heavy armor poise and make it so you can't roll, never mind ninja flipping, rolling at all in Havel's or Smough's is pretty dumb.
>>338263056
>people unironically keep posting this shit when weapons do insane poise damage in 3 compared to 1.
>>338262627
I agree, it's a nonsense stat, honestly it could be made up for by having poise tied to total armor weight paired with hyperarmor, with weapon weight tied to hyperarmor as well, doubling up but also being very costly.
The thing is heavy armor is so ragged weak, you'd have to make it stronger to be advantageous, right now everyone just dumps vig
>>338264367
>2 hand yhorm's
>dex shitter equips the buckler
>>338264445
Is there rat pvp?
>>338264353
Don't forget
>Naked Caestus has reliable poise.
>Sacred Chime can be literally spammed for free health
>Simple Caestus
>>338264445
>>You shouldn't min/max poise anyways!
Straight from the OP.
>>338264481
Demon's and DS3 had equip load.
Bloodborne didn't have equip load.
How much more should it be spelled out?
>>338264490
No, not can't roll, that's dumb, you'd have no defense at all, although I liked how DS1 let you do a different roll using a ring, maybe heavy armor or weapons gives you a different roll
Like a side roll, little longer, fatter.
>>338263219
>about a dagger staggering 300lbs of metal, leather, flesh, and bone. that shit is retarded.
Did you play DAS1? End game was pretty much poise stacking with fast-hitting weapons. Literally the end game in DAS3 right now.
>>338264445
What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said you fucking dipshit.
Why the "A" team didn't just fucking port over DaS2's Poise system fucking boggles my mind.
>>338264737
Dueling is not end game, it's fag game, fagame.
>>338264737
The difference between DS1 and DS3 right now is that little Rapiers has the stopping power of a Zweihander.
>>338264750
I would've made Strength boost equip load.
ITT: people that think they're smarter than a top game designer
i like the new HA system and i have 900+ hours in DS1, mostly PVP.
Just go butchers axe and caestus guys
Get used to the controls
You will beat anybody, you just must get gud
>>338264916
Hyper armor really is better.
DS1's poise was fun but holy shit it was unbalanced and unfair at times.
>>338264470
Oh fuck I have to check out that AGS tonight
>fighting Katana run r1 spam
>smack him once and he backs up
>do a jump attack for bait
>he closes in
>stomp+r2
>fucker goes flying into the air
>mfw
>>338264818
Just give heavy armor Strength requirements
>>338264880
>waah dont criticize miyazaki waaaahh
>>338264972
Hyper armor isn't better because it only works for a specific set of weapons. Int and Faith are shit because poise doesn't exist.
>>338262627
I see no reason why they shouldn't bring it back. Have you seen how heavy is havel and how much poise it gives? With a little tunning a poise build would actually only endure lighter hits and fat roll, a nice trade and I doubt ut'd reach the point if DaS 1.
You want Poise? Use any weapon with Perseverance
If EVERYTHING was capable of that, the PvP would be even faggier than it is now
>>338264916
and the proof to show im a no-life virgin who knows what hes talking about.
>>338265038
Not only that but Hyper Armor is stupid in a game with shit netcode. This isn't fucking Street Fighter
>>338264984
Yeah, when does your game come out?
Right...
>>338264916
>Hyper armor is fair and balanced
>Literally only works on around 5 weapons
>All weapons that do shit all damage.
>>338263958
>because it lets me spam more
All the cancer of the souls series summed up right there, kill yourself
>>338262627
>bumblefuck
>twice
>>338265038
Int and Faith are shit because the weapons and spells are worthless and cast times too long even with 30 dex plus the sage ring. It's got nothing to do with poise you shitter.
>>338262627
It got reworked so it affects iframes on roll
Looks like adaptability never left
Glad i DaS3 is the first in the series i didnt buy at launch
>>338265465
HA works on every ultra class weapons.
light weapons dont get it because they're fast.
>>338265281
and I've got 3,000 hours
>>338265471
It's good as an offhand weapon, it actually lets me parry and attack. Great when I use a Dark Sword in my Right Hand if I need to spam attacks that are more damaging
>>338264880
Top game designers put a literally useless stat into their game with corresponding items that boost this stat?
Game studios are made up of people and people make mistakes.
So there are 3 camps at the moment right?
>battle scarred DS1 players that had to deal with flipping Havels and giant dads for almost every single match of pvp
>Don't want poise back for obvious reasons
>DS2 SotFS/DS3 only players that want to not get staggered by rats
>want to withstand at least a few r1 spam hits in pvp while attacking
>want poise so they could trade hits with people
>shitposters that just repeat what everyone else is saying
>>338262627
>>338262757
>>338262908
Poise is DaS3's ADP
>>338265650
No you don't
>>338262627
Why are you even playing this shit anymore? The online is already a barren wasteland, at least on PC, aside from fight clubs. This is the most unappealing souls game ever. I got 117 hours out of it and I'm fairly sure I'm never touching it ever again. It's broken on a fundamental level and it's too fucking linear for it to have any meaningful replayability.
I find it hilarious that Bloodborne's online got a little dead when dark souls 3 came out but now you can tell the activity is on the rise because people are already going back to it, just like I did.
>>338265614
>Only works correctly on a few Ultra greatswords
>Doesn't work on Great Hammers at all
>Only works correctly on NKGA and Ghorms Machete for Greataxes
>>338265714
That would be Vit. Literally no reason to scale it.
>>338262627
Who gives a shit, PVP is just a dumb mini minigame anyway
>>338265713
>retard thinks that only Das2 players want poise back
I've been playing since the first released on PC and I dealt with Giantdads, poise still needs to come back
>>338265672
Just because you don't understated it, doesn't mean it's broken
>>338262627
Miyazaki is a fucking hack
But /v/ will never admit it.
>>338265861
>People claiming giantdads are "The meta and super strong"
>Dexfags dominated PvP since DeS.
>>338264384
DeS and DaS? The PtD edition was just the game with the dlc, hardly something like SotFS.
>>338265879
It is literally fucking turned off.
The line in the game files that refers to poise is literally set to zero.
>>338265861
Well for the most part yeah
Congrats you're an outlier and outliers exist
>>338262841
GOTTA EAT BIG TO TANK BIG
Oh well it was a shitty meme stat anyways.
Poise shitters need to stop complaining. Hyper armor makes heavy weapon the most viable yet.
What's the point of great hammers if there's no poise? You expect me to put all those points in Morne's Great Hammer only for the L2 to be viable?
>>338265421
Kill yourself you fucking moron.
Honestly though have magic/pyromancy/miracles been useful in any souls game?
If they tracked a bit, or could do reduced damage if it hit a rolling character, they'd be ok, but as it stands you might as well give up if you get invaded as a wizard
I have no opinion on whether poise should be in the game or not.
Mostly because I have no clue what the fuck it does, something like boosting defences I guess.
>>338265596
>>338266020
Or maybe people are criticizing a design flaw of having a stat that does literally nothing displayed in your character window.
Yes, flaw. It is not a design choice.
>>338266083
It makes you not flinch when you get hit.
>>338266020
>>338266020
Is that what poise is, the ability to teleport other players into your backstab?
>invade as a purple in grand archives
>his butt buddies chase me across the entire level up to the 3 NPC enemies
>end up dueling one of the buggers
>he swaps out for a caestus to try and parry my UGS two-handed attacks
>I cleave his ass in half
I don't care what they do with poise, as long as they don't shit on ultra weapons.
>>338266194
ability to eat a 2H ultra great weapon directly and still casually strafe back to back stab with enough points in poise. Good riddance
>>338266190
Okay, I didn't use anything that gives poise other than caestus WA when I played through the game. Seems like something you'd want if you played a knight.
>>338262627
Poise-breaking is still a thing though.
>>338266020
They fixed backstab chains in DS3.
There is no reason not to bring back poise.
>>338265596
INT and FTH are also bad because Adaptability doesn't enhance spellcast speed, Dexterity does.
The one thing DS3 failed that DS2 got right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWOuLjU_M2Y
>>338266260
That was a 1H longsword though.
>>338266072
sorceries and pyromancies have always been extremely useful in PvE and they do track targets
You're just shit out of luck if you're expecting to hit an actual player that isn't braindead
However because of the existence of Great Chaos Fire Orb, Pyromancies are the most PvP friendly magic
Miracles are almost borderline useless beyond utility though
At least they have the Swordspear
>>338262757
WTF DOES HYPERARMOR EVER MEAN?
>>338266020
Your webm is an example of backstab fishing though, which doesn't even matter in that particular case because neither character is decked out in Havel's with a dagger and DWGR. Poise is irrelevant in this case. From solved the backstab issue in DaS3 by making it next to impossible to actually land one in PvP and even when you do they only deal half of what a riposte would do.
>>338262627
As someone who jumped into DaS3 without ever playing the first two, what the fuck even is poise?
I feel like I don't understand half the shit and stats I'm looking at.
>>338266072
DaS2 had strong spells because you had a fast cast ring and some very unique spells that do a shit load of damage.
For example, stuff like soul vortex and shower can do chip damage and wear someone down (only DS3 equivalent are the farron versions, which are too easy to dodge.
Some spells were also designed as punish tools such as great combustion.
Lightning spears also used to track like crazy, but they were nerfed pretty early in the game's lifespan.
>>338266072
Check those nips with chaos fireballs. We just need to git gud.
>>338266447
Hyper armor is a period of time granted by some weapons when you're attacking, that prevent you from staggering.
>>338266447
When you swing a heavy weapon, there are a few frames in the animation where you can't get stunned by anything. That's hyper armor.
>>338264506
>>338263109
>>338263124
>people that haven't played Bloodborne
it's easy to spot them.
>>338266447
how do you not know what hyperarmor is? it's armor that activates in the middle of the attack, you take damage but your swing doesnt stop if you time it right. if you have wrong timing your swing will be interrupted by another's attack
>>338266551
Poise is your chance to not stagger when hit by an attack. So like if a zombie stabs you it won't interrupt your long attacking animation/spell.
It doesn't exist in 3, everything staggers you.
If poise was in 3 man gank squads would be impossible to outplay without use of pyromancies.
Its really a case of
>you think you want it, but you dont
Reminder Poise is working as intended.
>>338266761
The whole "4v2 thing" is retarded.
>>338265962
OK pal, miyazaki already said it's working as intended
>>338266598
>>338266072
Found it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RmvS96B2_xg
>b-but poise increases hyperarmor
>b-but poise gives armor in roll recovery frames
>b-but muh iframe regen after roll
keep the excuses coming miyahacki fags
>>338266923
>Miyazaki is a flawless director who makes perfect games.
>>338264025
Yes
>>338266923
A Bandai Namco community representative actually said that, and he actually tried to argue that Poise has worked differently throughout the games, so this one would work in a more "obscure" fashion; hence the "working as intended" excuse.
>>338265713
DS 3 right now is practically Bloodborne combat without any of the things that made Bloodborne combat fun.
Imagine playing BB without quicksteps or ranged parries + equip weight + slower stamina regen and attack animations + hyper armor on heavy weapons
The system is setup to basically incentivise trading hits with hyper armor using a heavy weapon (of which maybe 3 ar actually viable), or spam in enough damage with a quick (spell buffed, bleed causing, practically unparriable) light weapon before the opponent has any time to even react, both of which were niche strategies in any previous souls game, including BB.
Adding poise will make light weapons less OP, and make spellcasting (not just int/faith scaling) viable (for PVP and PVE) at anything under SL150.
If they then nerf hyper armor, maybe make it add a certain amount of bonus poise when you attack (instead of infinite poise when you attack) or something, the game will be better IMHO.
It's okay when Hackizacki does it.
>>338266447
>swing a heavy weapon (read: ultra greatswords)
>even if you get hit by another weapon mid-swing you won't stagger
>you get to bring down the full force of heaven upon the unholy foes before you
It lets you hit like a truck against anything you hit, regardless of whether you were hit or not.
>>338266040
>gets BTFO
Better tell him to commit sudoku
>>338266748
Poise in darksouls 3 is a shittier version of adaptability from 2
So there's poise from weapon arts but does that stack with regular poise from armor?
Like if I use the poise WA with havel's on will I get more than with the worker garb?
>>338267114
>DS 3 right now is practically Bloodborne combat without any of the things that made Bloodborne combat fun.
Accurate
>>338266923
No he hasn't, namco guys have both said it is and isn't working, and their word should be taken with a grain of salt considering they aren't part of the dev team anyways.
>>338267053
He made bloodborne, so your statement is true
>>338267331
perserverance gives you ~2 seconds of hyperarmor + damage resistance no matter what you're wearing
>>338267068
And that is...?
Oh right, you're lying
>>338267328
ADP actually did things.
>>338267114
They should make hand crossbows stun/parry, then it would be BB
>>338267496
What's the point of asking a question if you're going to answer it yourself?
>>338266247
Delicious anon
I agree ultra gs weapons are pretty fun as it stands
I heard that bows are way better in 3 how true is this?
>>338267328
I fail to see how they are even remotely similar.
>>338267496
But rolls are faster and further away if i am below 30, what are you on about?
Of course rolls are different.
>>338267719
The moment he pulled out the caestus I knew I had won, but I was still surprised he didn't know you can't parry ugs 2h attacks.
>>338267727
Arrows are faster
>>338267715
Why would you bother posting that?
Oh right, you're retarded
>>338268028
At least you answered my question for me. The answer is that you're a faggot.
>>338267727
The compound bow has a rolling attack, beyond that they're still just basically poison arrow catalysts for PVE
I hate how this happens with every game release that has online multiplayer
>release
>game runs smooth, no performance issues, however unsecure as a screendoor
>hackers throw a party
>patches come out
>game starts running like shit
>hackers are still throwing a party, just with less cheese and crackers
>Poise exist
>Only works for enemies such as Silver/Black Knights
>>338267876
I actually didn't know and I'm willing to bet a lot of casual party spammers don't until they look it up. I'm not one but I stupidly tried to parry a great axe and got smacked to death. I was wondering why the dude didn't stop attacking because sometimes people let up a bit when I attempt a parry but he just kept going.
Now I get the biggest shit eating grin when people pull out the buckler while I'm 2handing Zwei.
>>338268214
It's just the best feeling knowing that the person you're going up against has unintentionally resigned.
>>338268152
And Darkwraiths
>>338268359
>mfw darkwraiths ignore backstabs and grab you
>>338268115
Who's the real faggot here?
Oh right, it's you
you use "bumblefuck" twice in OP
>>338265929
S: Estoc, DBS.
A+: Katana.
A: Hammer, NR, Gaxe, Kilij.
B: Winged Spear.
C: BBS, Guillotine, etc.
?
>>338263056
I really liked the poise system on DaS1. A lot actually. I added a lot of stuff to the game that made it fun. It's by far the best PvP of all souls games.
People who complain about it are ALWAYS bad players who also not understand how it works and what poise breaks are. Ffs, most people that did play DaS1 PvP don't even know that poise works like a meter, like bleed, and that it also suffers from ghost hits etc etc.
DeS also had a hyperarmour system but it was 10000000000000000000x better than DaS3 will ever be because you could actually punish bad players that just r1 spam.
I refuse to acknowledge that DaS2 exists.
Dark Souls 2 still has the best pvp leaving out soul memoy
I don't understand how they decided to go completely backwards
>>338268563
No, because I'm not answering my own questions.
>>338264916
That looks like shit lad.
How can you defend a game that lets you one shot other players without them having a (skillful, like toggle) way to escape that?
And that is not fair at all, any dark sword r1 spammer would have killed you.
At this point I just hope for a mod that turns poise on and dedicated servers since it's "working as intended" just like the 60fps weapon degradation in 2...
>>338269295
>mod that reactivates poise
Are you stupid
>Thinking poise does anything but make r1 spam even more viable
>Being too shit to punish R1 spammers
>>338269384
It worked fine in Dark Souls 2
why can't we have that
oh right because From decided to remove every improvement the game made for no reason
>>338269509
Dark Souls 2 had its fair share of R1 spam but yeah, poise did help in that game (to an extent)
Also weapons didn't have the bullshit 360 tracking they have in 3 so rolling behind/to their side was, y'know, a possibility
>>338268770
Any small improvements DaS2 made to mechanics were completely thrown out the window. It almost feels like DaS3 is just a giant mod of DaS1.
>Powerstancing is out
>Back-step i-frames are gone
>DaS2's good Poise system is out
>Estus is nearly unpunishable now
>Casting is completely fucked because of the ridiculous stat investments you need just to keep up with a 40/40 Quality
>Most spells are complete shit
>Covenants that were worth a shit
>A Covenant dedicated for single-player
How do people actually defend this.
>>338269693
Because Dark Souls 2 is the worst game in existence, it's trash and it ruined the entire franchise.
Praise Miyazaki for making mechanics worse to the point that patches won't fix how shit pvp is
>>338269693
>>338269632
>>338269509
How did it work in DaS2?
This is what poise should do:
Low poise - shake off 2 dagger, 1 straight sword, 1 Katana, 1 spear poke r1 hits
Mid Poise - previous +1, 1 axe, 1 halberd/other polearms, 1 greatsword hits
High poise - previous +1, 1 of every other weapon type
People complaining poise would make havel spammers fail to realize that they have to invest into Vig, make most of their other stats sub-par for level 100-120. Havel mages certainly won't exist because magic needs a minmum 60 investment for proper damage output.
>>338269826
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/poise
>>338269632
Are you forgetting DaS2's tracking and hitbox/hurtbox issues?
>>338270085
>>338269879
Fucked up
>>338270106
The tracking was nowhere near as ridiculous as in Dark Souls 3
And the hitbox issues are the same (perhaps even worse because weapons have shockwaves even in single player)
So no, you could roll behind a lot of people without getting hit, assuming you had enough weight to roll far enough
>>338265796
this
>>338269904
This is what I really don't understand. Poise was understandably overpowered in 1 because Endurance was such a great stat for giving stamina and equip load. The separation of Endurance was a good move but I don't understand why they continued to nerf poise after that.
>>338268117
>poison arrow catalysts for PVE
But poison arrows are pretty much useless for PvE, I never managed to poison an enemy before the arrows killed him.
I like the system in place now, it makes combat revolve around timing and spacing. However there should be a reason to invest in heavy armor, the damage absorption needs to be increased on those sets.
>>338265421
>only master chefs can say a meal is shit
>only top directors can say a movie is shit
>only best race car drivers can say car is bad
Ect ect, kill yourself my friend.
>>338270363
Even with the current stats, Dark Souls 1 poise would be overpowered
At least they fixed the backstabs
>>338270559
get lost kid
Listening to these stories is really confusing when you use a keyboard and mouse.
>so I L1, then R1 and R2
Like, is that block, light attack and heavy attack?
For that matter what key translates to "B", because I still haven't found that.
>>338270559
Actually, yes. If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, then your opinionated criticisms mean nothing.
Thanks for proving my point.
>>338270601
Havel and other high poise armor give around a quarter, demands at least one ring to work (letting fap slide because it's good enough that many people not caring about pouse would still get it) and requires investment in a stat, which, against an opponent with less, would mean they'd have more HP, stamina or damage.
>>338271330
B is Xbox for roll/run.
L1 is shield, L2 weapon art, R1 weak and R2 strong attack for PS.
L2 R2 usually refers to a weapon art combo.
>>338271330
Yes. Unless it's a dual set (like twinblades) in which case L1 = light attack with both hands
I have yet to really want a poise system for anything other than gangsquads and pve. Heavy armor though needs a massive buff.
>>338271643
It's been the space bar this whole time?
I died a couple times because I had to right click and click "exit menu" to exit the gestures menu. Thanks.
So for anyone who was as confused as myself and uses a keyboard, let's translate:
L1 is right click (a.k.a M2), L2 is Ctrl, R1 is left click, R2 is Left Click + Shift.
Yeah, you gotta hold shift while clicking to do it strong, which gets pretty fiddly. So L2 R2 would be Ctrl + Shift + M1? Even fiddlier.
>>338272141
Hold on, I'm a moron. L2 R2 would be Shift + Click FOLLOWED BY Ctrl, not in conjunction with. That would have been silly.
>>338264353
That's what From wanted when you blindly run into a pile of rats. Play smarter and don't be an idiot.
>>338272141
Pro-tip anon: You can rebind any keys to any way you feel more comfortable with. I'm not sure, but I belive the default options for in and out of menu choices might change for PC.
I for one am a poorfag and have a very bad mouse, so I play with only the keyboard and just placed my attacks as some keys on the right side.
>I want hyper armor and poise armor!
Idiots.
>>338272536
>put in three (3) rings which increase poise
>they don't actually do anything
Because From's logic at all points in the game can clearly be trusted.
>>338272610
t. dexshitter
>>338272710
t.armorbabby
>>338272610
>I want to play a gimped version of bloodborne
Idiot.
I'll never understand the poisetards. Who fucking cares? Why would you want to play a heavy tank in a game like this anyway? The whole point is it's a challenging game and you need to learn when to dodge and when to block and when to parry.
Where is the fun in just maxing out your HP and tossing on a havels set and just tanking blows?
Estoc and the other weapons that benefit from no poise aren't even that hard to deal with. Get gud at parrying or dodging.
Also, magic always sucked in PVP. People dodge or interrupt your casts and that's pretty much that. Learn to use weapon arts, those are so much cooler and more fun than magic anyway.
>two hand Profaned Greatsword
>trade hits with a guy one handing Black Knight Greataxe
>I hit him for ~500 dmg, he hits me for ~400 dmg
>I'm wearing heavier armor than he is
>I get staggered, he doesn't
So the best way to play the game is to just play Straight Swords, Estocs, or polearms, right?
Since nothing fucking works or makes sense anymore?
>>338263857
this isnt necessarily true. armor can help you tank hits substantially, the problem is that not getting hit at all is ALWAYS better than "tanking" hits so a light, roll-focused build will always be better than a heavily armored one.
>>338273498
When it's big weapons like that the staggering is going to happen on whoever hit first. The skill is in getting in a hit without trading blows.
>>338272808
People who wear armor are playing the game hardmode. They can't minmax 40/40 stats with broken weapons. Dexshitters will NEVER be able to play the game without their easymode weapons.
>>338273426
>get good at parrying
>engage yourself in this stupid combination of mind games and autstic lag prediction with the added benefit of having to time your parries with imaginary swings that haven't really appeared properly on your screen
Parrying is fucking hell in DS3, why would you tell people to torture themselves like that?
As for poise, let them have their fun, this game is supposed to be a RPG, not a "fast guy with various weapons" simulator.
Why do you faggots call it weapon art when the game calls it something completely different
>>338273498
Even with poise you probably would have lost y'know, he hit you first and if you both have enough armor it would take a second hit to stagger.
He'd get the second hit before you and probably could have got another hit in
Don't blame the lack of poise for your mistakes
>>338270325
>the tracking was nowhere near as ridiculous as in Dark Souls 3
are you joking? I don't hate DaS2 as a whole, but the tracking was admittedly awful.
>>338262627
>Working as intended
Did he really say that? Why do people trust this lying hack?
>>338273863
Have you even played Dark Souls 3 anon?
PvP is an afterthought and if you play the souls games for PvP you're a retard of the highest caliber.
>>338273426
>The whole point is it's a challenging game and you need to learn when to dodge and when to block and when to parry.
Except that's wrong you fucking idiot. There's more than one way to play the game, and that's been taken from us by invalidating poise. What is it with you fags and this whole "Muh challenge" backdash whenever someone complains that a mechanic is busted?
>>338273641
>>338273827
So even if we traded hits, somehow he hit me...first? Yeah that totally makes sense. I mean, obviously. Yes.
>>338273962
Ah yes, because PVE sure is perfectly balanced with enemy having working poise AND fast attacks.
DLC will have item that will activate poise.
Its the starting item pendant from the original.
>>338273962
I laugh at everyone who tries to be competitive in souls pvp, but it's still a pretty fun gimmick, damn shame it barely works.
>>338274050
>weapons have long attack animations
>Somehow trading means you hit each other at the exact same time
Are you retarded?
>>338273962
I used to think this until I got gud at pvp. Now I can safely say Dark Souls PVP is one of the most fun and interesting pvp experiences in gaming. The fact that I can have the "best" gear in the game and get butt raped by a guy with a shitty dagger is exciting to me.
Real talk, poise or lack thereof don't make the game all that different, it just means you need to adjust your strategies. Against fast spam weapons like estoc and dark sword, parry. Or use big weapons with hyper armor.
>>338273962
this.
>>338274116
if you think single player games require "balance", you are literal underage cancer.
see: homm3. timeless classic. horribly unbalanced multiplayer. people imposed rules to make it work, but only an underage dipshit would ever argue that the game would have been "better" if it was "balanced" (e.g. shit relics, no necro, etc etc)
>>338274286
>The fact that I can have the "best" gear in the game and get butt raped by a guy with a shitty dagger is exciting to me.
Too bad all armour is useless and entirely for fashion.
>>338274181
>the game lets people hit the air you were standing in 2 seconds ago and if you don't dodge an attack that very clearly is nowhere
near you on your end you will take the blow
>weapons regularly pass through enemies and nothing happens
>this same game is capable of deciding which player hit the other guy first in a situation where both participants got hit
I understand what you're saying, but holy shit it sounds ridiculous.
>>338274286
>Dark Souls PvP
>Skill based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb4IcVNMtBY
>>338266247
>people trying to parry my large club
>watching people try to parry my Smough while we're doing O&S dried finger PVP
it's delicious
havell or hayvel?
>>338262627
>I hope to fucking God that the new patch delivers Poise
>implying these japs actually know how to fix games
Just look at dark souls 2, lightning was overpowered, so they made it COMPLETELY useless, and iirc it was a mistake, they were supposed to increase damage by 25% and decrease charges, and instead they decreased charges and LOWERED damage by 25%, and then they never fixed it.
>>338274286
I can't even be bothered to learn parrying in DS3. If you whiff a parry you end up with no stamina and taking a huge chunk of damage, so I just roll with great weapons and trade hits.
It's scrubby but it works.
>>338274313
Another nigger who summoned phantoms to win the game. Typical
They're not going to change it.
It doesn't matter if it's good or bad or working or not.
>Literally all these retards who just want From to turn poise on
>They think it will make big weapons more viable and dank swords/estoc shit
>They don't realize you can attack and roll with dank/estoc before most great weapon swings
>They don't realize poise would make these pieces of shit even more fucking cancerous
From just needs to reduce the damage of these shitter weapons and/or increase the damage absorbtion of heavy armor to actually make them worth while. Just turning poise on won't do a thing to help balance, in fact the game is fucking better without it. With poise this game would turn into nothing but DaS1 backstab fishing, shit a lot of scrubs still do just that imagine it in every single encounter.
>>338275240
>playing Dark Souls 1
>parries are easy but not the end of the workd if you eat shit in the attempt
>playing Dark Souls 3
>you either get oneshot by the hornet rinv or survive to take an unpunishable sippy
Swing first.
The way I've noticed it works is that you get interrupted when you're not doing anything or if you've just started your swing. If you have poise and you're a way into the swing, you don't stop swinging.
What the fuck is complicated or difficult to understand about this. Swing first.
Did a great mace Cathedral Knight cosplay run for reference. As long as you swing first, not much will stop you.
>>338275895
>everyone uses a cestus for the instant parry frames since predicting the attack isn't enough anymore but you have to sync to the stupid fast animations of DS3
>I love how medium shields work but I can't for the life of me parry anything with them
The magic is gone ;___;
>>338276143
>If you have poise
this part is irrelevant
What you are experiencing is hyperarmor.
You know, as hundreds of posts have already tried to explain.
>>338276143
How do you people still exist?
Where is this ginormous fucking rock that all you people have been under for a month+ and keep crawling out of?
DaS1 poise was broken cancer
>waaaaa y cant i facetank your swings and circle into backstabs anymooore waaaaa
k y s t b h f a m
>>338276541
Reading comprehension, you fucking idiot.
Re-read the OP.
>>338276541
This thread isn't actually about DaS1.
i don't know about poise but using iron flesh for me in pvp let's me tank any attack from strength builds
>>338272808
>>338272710
>Caring how other people play the game.
You're both cancer.
>>338277052
Well, they're both right.
You have to be a retard go coddle up in armor
and you have to be a sack of shit to use DEX
