The patch is out now. Can confirm that Bayo was the only one touched.
Bayo mains dropping this character in waves.
Ding Dong! The witch is dead!
Press F to pay respects.
>User was warned of for this shoop.
Smashboards really is what people say about it.
My favorite time to play For Glory, right after a patch when all the tryhard scrubs are on. Getting a whole new slew of replays already.
Wow, she's got nerfed bad. She can still combo but her specials became trash now. Bayonetta now joins Luigi in the riches-to-rags department.
>>338240517
>Going to smashboards
You fell for the meme
Was there a system update?
>>338239390
Buff Shulk.
Did they patch in good single player content?
No? Then who the fuck cares?
>>338239909
Sleep tight, sweet princess
>>338241405
People who actually have friends to play this game with.
>>338241405
>good single player content
>party game
Pick one
RIP all my replays.
Who's number 1 now? Rosalina? ZSS? Cloud?
>>338241636
>>338241790
Why do I have to have friends to enjoy this game when past games in the series had competent single player content? Even the Classic mode/break the targets/Coin Launchergot fucked over, god dammit.
What if I get burnt out from playing online so much? What's wrong with variety?
>the launch angle of downwards AfterBurners
Kill me
>>338241975
Cloud because Sony always wins baby
>>338241975
Probably rosalina
>>338241975
>Cloud
what
is Cloud any good?
Did Bayonetta need to be nerfed as hard as she was? How would she stand in the tier list now?
>>338242205
He's Shulk if Shulk was stronger and had better frame data on everything. He's really good but his weakness lies in the fact that his recovery is ass outside of Limit UpB
>>338242205
Pretty great, I'd say he's the best character since his only problem is recovery but limit fixes that.
He still has to go through Rosalina so I'm not sure how that will go
>Don't have to update since the Wii U is offline and only local play is done
Nobody here plays Bayonetta anyway.
>>338241173
this
>>338242006
play a different game? no one gives a shit about single player in smash, i drop single player in every smash once i unlock all the stages, characters, and music
fuck customs
>>338242223
>Did Bayonetta need to be nerfed as hard as she was
She was literal bullshit. Beyond metaknight from brawl.
What a disappointment.
The worst thing is that she still works perfectly fine, they just made half of one of her moves useless.
And Cloud is still bullshit.
>>338242349
>limit fixes that
I wouldn't say that. It's not 'his weakness is fixed because of Limit,' it's more 'his weakness can be mitigated if you can manage Limit well.'
Phrasing is important.
>>338239390
Dont play online cause im not a faggot. Not downloadin the patch. thanks for the heads up.
>>338243403
>muh waifu
Pathetic.
>>338243403
>Dont play online cause im not a faggot.
But you clearly watch anime, so you are a faggot. Fucking chink
>>338242349
His recovery is not nearly as bad as Cloud mains make it out to be. His Climhazard is not good for recovering, yes, but there are more factors that you need to consider to judge a recovery.
Air Speed, Fall Speed, Air Jump, mixups, walljumps, ability to cover your own recovery, Cloud has/excels at all of these.
>>338240517
Smashboards is terrible.
>>338244049
I'm a Cloud main and even I agree with this. But probably because I clearly remember how shitty everyone's recovery was in Melee compared to this. It's like, it doesn't even matter how far you get launched.
>They'll never fix Samus' jab because that would mean they'd have to remove that loading screen hint that says her jab is shit
Lazy fucks. That's all she really needs at the point to make playing her fun.
>>338244371
I've gotten kills with her fucking jab. Nobody even expects you to use it.
>>338242908
>Beyond Meta Knight from Brawl
You don't know what you're saying, Bayonetta at least had openings and a little difficulty in neutral.
>>338240517
>smashboards
Just in time for the /v/eekend
>>338244580
To be fair, that Shantaefag was definitely pretty fucking salty.
But yeah, either way fuck Smashboards.
>>338242908
Tell me about all those tournaments Bayonetta was dominating, anon.
>>338244462
I still need to work on the crouch cancel for it. Sometimes I get it right and it's awesome, but others I end up doing one more than I should because I'm mashing too much trying to get it to work. I'm not good with fast motions.
>>338243403
>joshi fan
>not a fag
Lol ok
>people went from getting better and wanting stronger characters to whining and crying and demanding nerfs
Fucking pathetic.
It doesnt feel that different
I'm still getting some asshurt on for glory so I dont really care
>>338245913
When you get a stronger character - one character that stands above all others - without giving compensating buffs to the rest of the cast, the game is broken.
Bayonetta was a great addition in terms of character and fighting concept. I'm glad she's in. She was just too borked. Maybe now I'll actually play her since I won't feel like it's cheating, hopefully.
>>338245913
They kept releasing more and more powerful characters with every DLC and did fuck all to the characters that were already shit. The only way to make the game not a complete mess was to nerf the overpowered shit (of course only after they cashed in on it) instead of buffing every bad character. I just wanted DDD to get some hitbox fixes, not even straight up buffs and they didn't even bother doing that.
Nintendo went full Nexon, you can't even be optimistic about that.
>>338240676
luigi still b tier, thinking about redownloading this game and pirating dlc, it works on 3ds right?
im on 10.3 rxtools, what cfw do i need to load to get the latest OFW?
>>338246435
he's already perfect tho
>>338246591
epic meme
>>338244836
No top player picked her up except in Japan where she was indeed doing very well.
The biggest problem was that she was fucking up mid-low level play
You can say "git gud" all you want, but when a character is ridiculously unbalanced at the level of 90% of the playerbase, something's not right.
>>338244580
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!
>>338246778
>Pink Fresh
>>338246928
>Pink Fresh
>Top Level
if anything he proves my point perfectly.
MD/VA is the most prominent example of mid level play. Dude did okay until Bayo came out, then he started dominating with ease.
Which characters stil need buffs and why?
Which characters still need nerfs and why?
>>338246994
Exactly. He started winning tournaments because of Bayo, and is non-Japanese. Which was my point.
>>338247078
Characters needing large nerfs
>Rosalina
Characters that could use small nerfs but are generally okay
>Zss
>Cloud
>Ryu (adjust shoryu in some way)
Characters that are perfectly fine
>Mario
>Luigi
>Ness
>Lucas
>Dk
>Peach
>diddy
>Pikachu
>Corrin
>Ike
>Yoshi
>Sheik
>Toon Link
>Falcon
>Fox
>Sonic
>Mewtwo
>Rob
>Meta knight
>Lucario
>Villager
>Greninja
>Mac
Characters that could use small buffs
>Megaman
>Pacman
>Kirby
>Falco
>Olimar
>Marth/Lucina
>Samus
>Robin
>Roy
>wario
>Game n watch
>shulk
>Doc
>Charizard
>The pits (they're not even bad, just outclassed and irrelevant)
>Palutena
Characters that need serious help
>Ganon (he's getting buffs anyway)
>Dedede
>Link
>Zelda
>puff
>Duck hunt
>Bjr
>Wft
Ding Dong the witch is dead
>Bayonetta
>>338247243
I don't get it, so are you agreeing with me or something?
Because the only things he was winning was Xanadus.
If Pink Fresh is a top level player, he should have no problem getting the results he had been getting lately with Bayo or a new character he switches to.
>>338247372
he's not a top level player.
>>338247405
I know. I just said that because this guy impied otherwise >>338246928
this is the only good thing to come of bayonetta being added
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBGohVRvxag
> release a new patch just before a major tournament
I guess GOML is still going to use 1.1.5?
>>338247249
Pretty much agree with this.
>>338247249
Wow, I actually agree with this.
>>338247569
>I guess GOML is still going to use 1.1.5?
Nope. Because half of the setups are from the community (No big sponsorships, sadly), there's no way to guarantee that people won't update.
Plus it kinda hurts anyone who relies on Wifi to practice because they wouldn't be able to go online.
Thankfully the patch only affects Bayo anyway, so whatever.
>>338247249
I want ROB's Upthrow to be somewhere between where it is now and where it used to be. As it is it's not killing until later than when Lucina and Marth's would.
And Link isn't quite that bad. Otherwise I rather like this list.
>>338247546
But that music has been around for years
This poster was the best thing to come out of it, shit's gorgeous.
>>338247960
>Moon and Clock Tower make the Smash logo
I agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDIkP9laFa8&ab_channel=imESAM
Am I a bad person for enjoying this?
>>338247960
this poster is fucking incredible
>that lighthouse and moon to make the smash logo
>that symmetry in everything
>Shulk fighting ROB
>Megaman fighting Giga Bowser
>>338248150
not at all
>>338246778
Cloud got much better results for more people in a shorter timeframe, but no one ever compared him to Brawl MK or cried for a ban.
The Bayonetta hate is just a meme at this point.
>>338248150
Can you get out of her jab now? That shit was a guaranteed 24-ish damage because it was impossible to escape.
>>338248329
Could also didn't have guaranteed 0-deaths and received a justified nerf to Finishing Touch.
>>338248379
I don't think there were any changes to that at all
>>338248329
Only thing cloud was hurting was doubles. And FT got nerfed.
>>338247249
Make another category that says "needs a super small buff" and put Falcon and Ike in there.
>>338248150
aw jesus that's awful
Give Mac his old recovery back
Who /despair/ here?
>>338248581
Falcon needs his Fsmash hitbox fixed so it stops hitting behind him.
>>338248802
Was the 10% decrease in length really that bad? Seems like it wouldn't change much.
>>338248909
>two annoying to fight characters not getting buffs
>>338241636
>Implying my friends care about playing a game that barely changed since the Brawl days
>>338249198
>Having trouble with the fat penguin
His hurtbox is the size of china what are you doing
>>338240517
>>338240750
>>338244165
>>338244580
>smashboards
I was a member there since 2003, the moderation is literally filled with thought policing manchild oversensitive redditors now. You have no verbal freedom there whatsoever. You so much as mention somethin even SLIGHTLY NONPC or something like that there, insta perma ban. No warnings, no mod pm.
it's literally only gotten worse with time and is probably as bad as neofag now.
>>338244580
>Messages: 1
pretty sure that's a falseflag
>>338250796
Not him but that made me laugh, dunno why. But yeah, he's kind of annoying because of planking tactics but hes very beatable.
>>338250809
It looks like everyplace of the internet that isnt 4chan is like that now
How did it come to this?
>>338251207
Funny enough, people used to make fun of GameFAQs for being like this a long time ago, and it's one of the few sites that actually has gotten more laid back and less mod happy.
>>338248150
Looks balanced now, not dead
>>338251350
Lets hope the tumblrmodnazism is like a swing that goes back and forth
>>338243686
>>338243759
>>338245831
You play smash bros competetivly. You opinion means literally nothing to me.
>>338248150
Seriously, I dont even own any tr4sh DLC let alone have played bayo but this community is a buncha crybabies. They didnt even give themselves time to build around the character.
It's about time. Bayonetta was cancer to Smash 4. Critics of Smash 4 often say it's a defensive game when it should be offensive, and Bayonetta was a strong reason for why the game was becoming more defensive. You can't play a game offensively when you have to be so defensive against a character that can literally land a single hit on you, even when you are at 0%, and kill you straight off from that with literally nothing you can do.
This nerf is a good thing for fans of Bayonetta as well, because people will be able to play her without fear of being a tierwhore. Legit fans can finally use her.
>>338244049
Cloud by far has the worst ledge magnetism out of all the characters. You pretty much have to be hugging the ledge for Cloud to grab it, unlike everyone else who can snap to the ledge with no trouble.
>>338250796
>gordo at every available opportunity
>ftilt and aerials if you get close
It's not hard but it's fucking annoying after the 50th Dedede in a row who does the exact same flowchart, even worse if there's lag
>>338251783
mfw i got a zero to deathpost patch.
>>338251554
You play smash bros. Your opinion means nothing to me.
I will never get tired of grabbing someone at the edge and pummeling them without throwing. They just kill themselves when they mash out.
>>338252048
>You play. Your opinion means nothing to me.
>>338241975
Rosalina is still inherently busted because her entire character is built around zoning and being as lame as humanly possible. If Luma didn't have so hard a knockback, the up air wasn't as good, or rolls weren't so OP in the game, then she'd be easy to deal with. Luckily, she seems to have been dropped for whatever reason, so we'll see very less lame-outs at EVO this year.
Cloud is broken in the same way Mac is "broken"; he's got stupid good frame data on shit and retarded knockback, but to make up for it, his recovery is complete garbage and his moves are generally easy to block; just sheild, grab, and then chase off the stage, and provided they don't got limit, then you're good. He's really not in need of a nerf, but I will say it is annoying when all the spergs pick him up because he's "OP".
>>338252234
Worst part about Luma is him being a literal meatshield. Projectiles already have her DownB to contend with, but Luma soaks those fuckers right up with no action necessary on Rosa's part.
Not to mention the space it occupies can mean the difference between your ground moves hitting her or being tanked so she can punish.
Poast mains.
>>338251783
huh. rational and considerate thinking. must be a full moon out tonight.
>>338252573
I can't help but feel like they had Ice Climbers in mind when making Rosalina. Like they looked at it and said; "Alright, let's do this, and it'll be like they never left from the get-go." Only problem with that is that Luma respawns, pretty fucking quickly too, so unlike Popo having to go a match without Nana and forcing the player to get good, the general Rosalina main will opt instead to run away for 13 or so seconds until Luma respawns, bringing down the pace of the match.
When first revealed, people said she'd play like a JoJo character, so on that logic, hitting Luma or grabbing it should instantly mean you damage & knockback Rosalina too, as opposed to just tanking every single hit. It's a character who needs a complete rework just to be less broken.On top of that, it just feels insulting that a side-character who's entire gimmick is basically being Silver the Hedgehog in Mario got into Smash because of the Mario team's gigantic boner for her and Mario Galaxy. If Jr. never got in as a surprise newcomer, I'd definitely be more pissed off.
Overall, she's a character who just doesn't need to return for Smash Bros., but probably will in the end.
>>338252872
Not so much "mains" as much as "characters I really love using". In order of use:
>Shulk
>Corrin
>Ganondorf
>Mewtwo
>Lucina
>Robin
>Ike
>Palutena
>Grenigga
>Pac-Man
>Jr.
I'd kill for more Xenoblade in 5mash.Modders need to make Mumkhar playable with a Metal Face Final Smash.
>>338252957
As a Charizard main, I love fighting Rosalinas 1v1. She's one of my favorite matchups. I don't see anything wrong with how she is now.
>>338253119
>he wants more anime
>>338239390
Oh shit. Did Wii U also get a firmware update to patch the kernel exploit?
Good.
Also the people complaining about Bayo getting patched, or calling people cry babies or some shit like that are either tier whores / bayo users or Melee players who like games with broken mechanics.
In both cases: fuck off. I hope you burn in hell. Bayonetta was not even fun to play against. Her hitboxes and lack of knockback was absolutely ridiculous. Too much gain for such little risk...
Anyway, I'm glad is over
>>338251554
Ugh, don't use Asuka for shitposting
I will probably play her more now since I'm a try hard low tier hero. Not that she is low tier because of these changes.
She was retarded pre patch, but these changes were way too much imo. She didn't need more than something to not let her push the opponent off the top at even low percents. Combos were her main draw, the issues were that the combos made her completely broken because they were badly designed in relation to the rest of the game. But instead of fixing it they just remove them, nice job devs.
>>338250796
I have no idea why but I struggle so much with him. The gordo wall is annoying to deal with, and his attacks are huge as fuck as well.
>>338252872
Duck Hunt
G+W
Jiggs
>>338244049
Plus wall jump if you play on a stage with walls. Climhazzard goes high enough, the horizontal range is shit though.
But let's be real, there's a bunch of characters with way worse recovery than him, namely every single heavy, and they aren't CLOSE to being as strong as Cloud is.
>>338253570
List two non-anime, non-/v/-approved vidya characters capable of being in smash
>>338255327
DeDeDe has an excellent recovery, and Bowser's isn't terrible. Charizard, DK, and Dorf's are pretty bad, though. At least vertically in the case of the former two.
>>338255785
I'll give you dedede but apparently he is complete dogshit anyway judging by the amount of buff-wishers. Bowser's is okay but can easily be taken advantage of. Cloud's however is great offensively as well and super fast so it's a pretty decent recovery option if you disregard the lack of horizontal recovery. And if he's desperate he can easily spike with it.
>>338251554
I want Asuka to have my babies
>>338251647
Its almost kinda like any community with patched games.
Just look at project memes
>>338254858
Only thing im hearing is a tr4shfag who cant adept.
> Pac-Man and Mega Man will never be at least high-mid tier
It hurts.
>>338258625
It sucks that Mega Man shits all over slow characters with his projectiles, but all fast character shits on him since he can not space properly at all when they close in so fast. Fox is especially bad.
SSB4's balance is so fucked.
>>338247078
Almost everybody needs a buff. 3/4 of the cast doesn't have a combo game and rely on reads more than anything else.
Jigglypuff and Dedede need nerfs though. Rest is too strong for an attack that comes out instantly, and Dedede is OP in general, being perfect and all.
>>338258756
If you want a less polarizing character use Mario or something
No every character is good in every matchup even in the most balanced game ever
>>338247960
I just noticed that Palutena isn't wearing panties in this image. The fuck is up with that, am I right?
>>338259101
I don't even play Mega man, but from my observation he struggles against almost every top character maybe except for Cloud. I mean, most character struggles with the top tiers but MM even more so just because of the way he's designed.
>>338247249
Ganondorf gets touched up with every patch. I think hes perfectly fine considering his weight and power.
Dedede and Jiggly puff on the other hand haven't been touched in fuckimg forever
>fight a Bayo as Dedede
>she's still able to pull off long easy combos I can't escape from
Well at least witch time is useless against me now.
>>338255769
Dark Matter
>>338259642
>Well at least witch time is useless against me now.
You really think so?
>>338259864
I know so, she tried several times and clouldn't do jack shit before I rolled off.
>>338260046
so you met a terrible bayo player and think the move is worthless because of it
>>338260046
This is how I discovered that Rosalina's recovery is terrible. I played this one guy in For Glory who missed the edge both times, so I know for a fact that Rosalina's recovery is bad.
>>338259642
>Well at least witch time is useless
I really don't think there were any changes to Witch Time tho?
>>338258756
As a Pac-Man main, Pac is pretty much the same way. He's good against slow characters as his projectiles can keep them at bay, but fast characters that hit hard completely fuck him over.
And Rosalina...holy shit. Rosa is pretty much a hard counter to Pac. All she has to do is spam Gravity Pull, and there is literally nothing Pac can do, as Luma and her disjointed hitboxes make fighting her in close combat impossible. I might as well just SD twice if I encounter a Rosa in FG.
>>338260118
3, but that's possible.
>>338260319
I remember playing as Rosalina against a Pac-Man once. He was in the middle of his power pellet Side B move. I used gravitational pull right when he took off, and Pac-Man went hurdling sideways at top speed, heading down. It was hilarious.
>>338260347
I mean, FG Bayo's are all trash who are used to win against other trash FG players so they never learn how to actually use her
>>338247249
>pits
>outclassed and irrelevant
As a pit main this hurts me
>>338260389
Yep. It's almost as bad as Ness's PK Thunder. At least Pac has another way to recover with his trampoline, but that can easily be turned against him too.
Which heavy is the easiest to get into? I main Link, Ness and ZSS.
>>338259642
There weren't any changes to witch time, which means it is as good as ever, which is to say insanely good
I-it's fine. Her combos are still there like Falco's Dair. They're not absolute garbage.
>>338261076
Don't compare anything to Falco's dair
Nothing is that shitty
>>338255327
>wall jumps
Only a "problem" in the DHD stage
>horizontal range is shit
That's why its easy to gimp a great/good/bad cloud
>bunch of characters with way worse recovery than him
Nope. Only Little Mac.scrub
Do Lvl 9 CPUs perform SDI? Because apart from her downward Side B and not killing til at higher percentage, I haven't noticed much difference in Bayonetta, not the way I play her anyway.
>>338246541
>luigi still b tier
Try D tier
>>338247243
>He started winning tournaments because of Bayo
Really? Tell me who was it that won Pound this year? How about his placement at 2GGT: Fresh Saga, 17th spot sure is fantastic
>>338242908
>Beyond metaknight from brawl
>When Bayo struggled a lot against projectile characters and sword users
Sure she was anon
>>338261642
only on moves theyre programmed to do it on, like samus uair or luigi cyclone
if they always did optimal sdi theyd be fucking hell to fight with like half the cast
>>338261468
>playing only on tourney stages
Spotted the tryhard.
>>338261642
I don't main her but I noticed some combos were more consistent to me than before
Maybe because witch twist has less knockback
>>338247243
>Pink Fresh
>anywhere near that level
Oh boy can't wait for another Xanadu win from him and place lower than 15th in a real tournament
Bayo couldn't get out of a Top 16 if she tried and if she did, a Cloud or Mario player will knock her out of the tournament.
She's only considered Cancer on the same level as most faggots here consider Sonic players as the worst thing in the world and those fuckers can't make it out of Top 32 aside from one guy who knocked ZeRo into losers during his winning streakHave you notice that the characters Smash players hate so much are Sega characters? That Nintendrone bias
>>338262081
People don't just hate Sonic and Bayonetta. Some people also have a hard spot for Cloud too.
>>338261989
>talking about balance
>does not play tournaments or have an understanding of the competitive scene
>>338247249
>Lucas
He could use some buffs, his grab especially.
>>338262465
Cloud is a different beast since atleast it takes skill to do all of Bayonetta's combos but Cloud has insane hitboxes and disjoints.
He's pretty much a better Shulk and Ike with Megamam's D-Tilt. Plus it's because a lot more players got better because of him moreso than Bayo who at best can win locals and regionals, Cloud can easily take majors.
Plus it's mostly due to "MUH character takes skill but Cloud doesn't" despite the only character that takes skill to master in Smash 4 is just Rosaluma
>>338262960
Ryu is the hardest character to use in the game tho
>>338262960
But Cloud still wins with less effort
>>338263113
meant to quote >>338263069
>>338263163
Yeah but Ryu is still a better character when optimized
>>338263069
Ha.
>Get opponent on the edge
>Weak up tilt into guaranteed Dair
>-1 stock
>>338258625
Just wanted to finally have a reason to post this
>>338263503
Yeah.
Smash is not a demanding or particularly hard game
>>338263503
Good luck bitch I got a frame 1 up special.
You're telling me I can't press a button and win?
Where is Bayo at? Did I miss something?
>>338263929
You have to beat 100 dudes in cruel melee as kirby to unlock her
>>338242908
>Beyond metaknight from brawl.
This is the kind of uninformed opinion i would expect from r/smash. Let me help you >>>reddit
>>338247249
Where would Bowser be in this list?
>>338248150
I'm not a competitive Smash player. Does this mean Bayo is now a normal Smash character that actually has to chase their opponents and predict dodges to get damage? Because that seems totally fine.
>had a patch to take out 0-death combos
>they didn't
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJAJ-zpb1Zw
>>338265290
Pretty much, but her framedata isn't as good so she's gonna struggle getting kills now. The combos were supposed to make up for her "bad" neutral. Her tier positions will change a lot.
>>338264491
Not op but I'd say he's just fine. I'm a toon link main and I've been picking bowser up a lot as a secondary. He's pretty underrated. His moves are pretty fast for the being one of the heaviest in the game (I think he might be the heaviest)
>>338265435
That's what sdi is for and to be fair that was at the ledge. many characters can do stuff at the ledge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82norZ7TXIQ
>>338258756
>>338259206
Megaman is actually considered one of, if not the worst MU for Sonic.
He's also strong vs Diddy, MK and Ryu, does decent against Cloud, Falcon and Mario, absolutely destroys Villager and Luigi.
In the upper tiers, it's really just Sheik, Rosa and Fox that are troublesome.
I'm iffy about ZSS to be honest.
Funny enough, Scatt says he thinks Megaman might only have 2 bad MUs but I think he's exaggerating.
>>338252872
Mega Man
Samus
I don't have my Wii U hooked up atm so no pic.
>patch only mostly prevented her ability to 0-death
>all these players that think they're going to do any better in neutral since she has the same kit
>>338267335
I'd say Sheik and Rosa a bit more than troublesome. I think 70:30.
Fox though?
>>338265435
>No SDI
Well golly!
>>338268387
Fox is a pain in the dick.
Oddly enough, most megaman mains think Rosa isn't too bad.
I can't fucking stand her myself.
>>338268269
uhh you're 100% correct everyone will do great in neutral knowing you can't die off one fucking hit
now my sheik can really bully that shit frame data
>>338268530
You prolly play a more defensive MM then.
>>338268804
I do
>>338247249
this is mostly agreeable
I question putting zss on the same level as cloud and ryu didn't she get hit witht he nerfbat just has hard as sheik a couple patches ago?
Is it okay to main Bayonetta now
>>338269436
she got nerfs, but they really weren't huge like Sheik's.
>>338268545
You are still going to get witch timed and witch twisted out of shield, the difference is that now is less likely that you are going to die out of witch twist
/v/kend when
>>338269515Yeah
>>338269764
oh so you mean i have to be more cautious at higher %s? wow who would have guessed
bayo confirmed still broke
>Counter with Palutena
>would have done more damage with a jab
>Counter a jab with Corrin
>Kill Palutena in most instances
>>338269980
That will happen at all %. If you want Bayonetta to rack up damage on you at sonic speeds then go nuts on her shield
>>338269980
You have to be cautious at higher percentages regardless she's fine now
>>338270125
>counter with Greninja
>never get it because Greninja's counter sucks balls
>>338270193
i just said i play sheik
implying i won't grab that shit every time
