http://www.4gamer.net/games/120/G012039/20160519080/
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1somso0
Overall Directions
-Expand Tutorial for game systems
-Balancing difficulty, especially on prologue stages which gets too imbalanced
-Improve camera & controls
-Improve User Interface
-Optimize Graphic Performance
Detailed fixes
1. Tutorial
-Add training stage where tutorial on basic controls can be accessed
2. Action & Controls
-Improve camera & player movement during lockon
-Revise requirements on stamina stagger when stamina reaches 0
-Expand item shortcut slots
-Revise interactions & responses for long-held buttons
-Improve input for half-circular spin for levers
3. Enemies
-Rebalancing enemy attack & defense stats
-Revise enemies' pursuing ability
-Rebalancing super armor (flinching) for each enemy type & attack
-Rebalancing Revenant AIs
4. Level Design / Stages
-Improve exploration features like adding shortcut paths
-Add hints to signify you'll be approaching boss battles
-Revise methods to display objects that hide the player chara
-Revise damage in fire area
5. Interface
-Improve layout and contents displayed
-Revise font size
-Allow batch control of offering in Shrine
6. Online
-Improve synchronization during online play
-When having co-op with a Visitor, the host will be able to access Shrine menu
-Rebalance rate of enemy stats increasing in co-op play
7. Others
-Remove durability bars for weapons & armors
-Rebalance drop rate of equipments
-Add new control scheme
-Implement a flow to get out of missions
-Miscellaneous bug fixes
>Remove durability bars for weapons & armors
>>338139696
>Revise interactions & responses for long-held buttons
Good shit, that was my main gripe that I commented on in the feedback form
from day 0 to day never
fuck you all you fucking underage scrub
why do they control the demo?
it's a fucking demo, let people play it whenever they wish
because soon the demo won't reflect the true game and if pople judge by the demo the final product will be hurt?
are you a literal retard?
>>338140221
They will most likely release another demo later down the line, after they have adressed most points the players had.
>>338140195
>>338140221
>>338140373
samefag
kys
>>338140494
here is your (you) faggot
now kill you're self meme loving retard
>>338139696
>rebalance super armor
Hopefully they removed the katana super armor, it was incredibly obnoxious to see enemies use the same exact moves you use but magically not be staggered
>rebalance revenant AI
Hopefully this refers to mid stance katana memeing you out with safe attacks and reading button inputs
>we made it worse because our fans are idiots
>>338139696
>remove durability
THE CASUALS WON
FUCK
>>338140913
How did they make it worse?
>>338139696
>tl;dr we made the game much easier
Aaaaand dropped
Will get it when its on sale
>tutorial
Dropped
>>338139696
This is ehat happens when you let conquered give their feedback
Only people with the mark should have voted
>Japan's survey
Fuckin hell, what a bunch of casuals.
Two nukes not enough? Or did it make it worse?
>>338139696
>remove durability
>the enemy section
Why?
>>338141001
The durability system added absolutely nothing but tedium.
I just hope the difficult balancing is only really for the early areas. I was always expecting those to be made easier, I figured they were just testing the waters with how many people can beat things at that difficulty, but hopefully the later areas will be the same and harder than the demo
>>338139696
>Remove durability bars for weapons & armors
What the fuck?
>>338139754
Jesus christ Japan is full of casuals.
/v/ is such a fucking retarded place holy shit
>>338139754
>japan
Why are nioh fans annoying. I guess they think it is going to be the new dark souls and they are trying to get it on the ground floor of the fanbase so they can become millionaire youtuber / twitch celebs.
>>338139754
What the shit japan
>>338141093
tutorial in from games are just fking stripes on the floor they could do the same so just wait before lynch the game
There is literally nothing wrong with tutorials.
>>338141207
Square Enix would agree. Their FFXV feedback said that a huge chunk of Jap players thought the early XV demo was too hard.
The only things I would change is streamlining picking up loot, and giving the bosses less HP.
>people like what they saw and played in the demo
>some vocal minority complaining about the difficulty
>they end up listening to the minority
Fucking hell
>>338141001
>removing durability BARS
>>338139754
>Japan
Why do Japanese developers listen to this irrelevant country again?
Congrats, bros. We're going to be among the small group who actually got to play Nioh the way it was intended. When it comes out, the Nioh Alpha Demo will become almost mythical.
>>338141264
>one thread about game with no shitposting and people discussing actual news about the game
EUGH YOU GUYS ARE SO ANNOYING NOTHING CAN BEAT DARK SOULS MUH E CELEBS
fuck off man, I'm sick of people like you posting in threads you have no intention of contributing to.
>>338141212
Took you long enough to realise.
The controls were kinda jerky, to be honest
>>338141462
>replying to fromdrones
>>338141371
Japan is full of casuals nowadays
Their arcade past is far past them
>>338141514
>>338141575
Subtle
>you will never be a beta nip
>>338141448
You're crazy if you think they actually intended for the early game to be that hard in the final product. They were always going to make the early stuff easier, the stuff in the demo was mid-late game difficulty
>>338141662
It wasn't even that hard.
I think removing durability entirely is a leap too far.
They just needed to make whetstones viable from the beginning
>>338141662
japan pls go
>>338141448
Gay. You'd probably say this about 90% of alpha versions of games if you had the chance to play them.
All they needed to change was a better explanation for ki pulse, and turning away for enemies when you are locked on but not blocking. People would realize the game isn't that hard once you get a hang of ki pulse, but so many people I saw play had no idea how to do it. Fucking casuals.
>>338141371
>>338139754
>japan gaming skills
>-Balancing difficulty
>Remove durability
How fucking bad are people? Jesus christ. Fucking hate these neo gamers who can't handle a little challenge.
>>338139696
>casuals ruin another game
>>338141758
What did durability add to the game other than making me farm for whetstones or going through 3 weapons per level?
The mobile phone casual games are killing japan gamer base, what a bunch of fucking noobs holy shit, even american niggers are better nowdays.
>play demo and finish it
>think "shit, this might be a little niche game with a strong community. hopefully they leave the difficulty as is."
>they listen to the neo-/v/, neogaf and reddit audience and turns down the difficulty
FUCK
>>338141371
>Game with hold O and L2 to win is too hard for japan
No wonder they only buy shit games these days
>>338139817
>SOULD GAEMS ARE LE PERFECT GIT GUD
it's over, literal shit eaters won.
>>338141696
It was too hard for a tutorial.
You all need to stop freaking out, the later parts of the game are still going to e plenty hard and no doubt harder than anything in the demo, but scaling your difficulty to let the player learn how the game works is how good game design works. Even games that are considered well-received and difficult like DMC3 and Dark Souls have easy starts
>Allow batch control of offering in Shrine.
>Implement a flow to get out of missions.
We could already batch offer with the touchpad and we could already use branches to leave missions....
>>338141752
>It's ok to be racist when they don't like my toys
>>338142151
I guess the second idea is to have infinite way to leave missions.
To be honest, i don't really get it why leaving out of a mission is an expendable item.
Wish I spent more time with the beta. Really hope they do another one for it.
jesus christ /v/ calm the fuck down, nowhere does it say they made it easier
>>338142157
Its always ok to be racist, nigger.
>-Revise requirements on stamina stagger when stamina reaches 0
This is the most important change of the game.
>>338142157
Japan is literally one of the most racist countries in the world. They can handle the bantz. Stop being a weeb
>>338142414
most people complained about it being too hard
they're "rebalancing it"
what do you think that means, genius
Casualfest: the game
Fuck everything
It's funny because the game actually has plenty of shortcuts you can unlock.
>tfw you will always be a conqueror
>>338139696
>americans eat shit and gulped too much of the Scamco "prepare to die hardest game ever git gud" koolaid
>>338139754
>BASED jap connoiseurs putting this average game in its place and demanding an actually enjoyable experience
sasusga as expected desu, americucks are too involved with marketing to even recognise when a game is good/bad anymore
>X to Dodge
>O to interact
>Japan rates the controls lower than the west
How?
>>338142827
Go back to iOS anon.
conquerors are talking here
>>338142113
>Even games that are considered well-received and difficult like DMC3 and Dark Souls have easy starts
I see you never played DMC3 Dante's Awakening on normal difficulty.
>>338142827
filthy casual detected
I doubt they're going to be making drastic changes to be honest.
Removing durability is pretty odd though.
No matter what, remember that you conquered, and you stunlocked Nue into being a little bitch.
>>338142827
>When europeans attempt trolling
laughable
THEY DIDNT REMOVE DURABILITY
They removed the durability BAR
>>338142994
>I doubt they're going to be making drastic changes to be honest.
Those a pretty drastic changes
>>338139754
Pearls before swine. How does Japan consistently have such terrible taste in absolutely everything?
>>338142982
The first two levels are easy as fuck, don't kid yourself, anon. Sure, it ramps up pretty quickly, but it still starts easy
>>338139696
>>338139817
>west is full of 9/10 it's ok morons
>>338139754
>Japan is full of retarder morons
>>338143267
Obviously more shortcuts and a tutorial stage are a big deal, however the percentages surrounding "rebalancing" may be much more subtle than people are probably assuming.
Man I wish the Alpha was still up for the the full game comes out. Would love to compare it to the finished game to see what they changed
>>338139696
This seems mostly good.
... Am I meant to be outraged?
>>338143540
>... Am I meant to be outraged?
Yes
>>338143540
Not if you have any common sense
Durability adds nothing but inconvenience to an ARPG. It's only good in survival sims, survival horror, and turn based tactics. I beat the demo and still said it should be removed in the survey. Glad they listened to the people that are not retarded.
>>338143598
Oh.
... Well where are the jews / SJWs / "ban this, it offends me"s ?
I can't see them. How can I get outraged if there aren't any?
>>338143248
what did they mean by this
Why can't developers have bit of fucking faith in their own design?
Fuck this WE ALTERED THE GAME BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK culture, the general audience is full of fucking idiots.
You're professionals for fuck's sake, this whole NEVERMIND WE CHANGED IT just screams of insecurity and a lack of faith in your own product.
>>338141371
shit, what happened? Did all the people with skill move to Korea or something?
>>338143248
武器・防具の耐久度を廃止
no it means REMOVE DURABILITY
>>338143995
to be honest there's nothing good with the durability design in alpha version, if there's no way to repair them in mission, that's fine, but the repair kits feels cringe.
>>338144137
fucking faggot
>>338141170
All they had to do was allow you to pay to repair your gear at shrines. I would have never used the axe if my katana hadn't broken.
>>338144173
you...you too
>>338144173
Whine all you want. It's gone. Now my superb katana's mirrion times folded steel will never fail me. Never ever.
>>338144258
>I would have never used the axe if my katana hadn't broken.
That was the point
>>338144351
I never used the katana because the axes/hammers were nigh unbreakable. Literally no reason to use any other weapon. You had decent enough speed to still evade any enemy in the demo after getting off an attack and had superior damage and fatigue damage. Best weapon, no contest.
>>338143996
They've been playing mobile trash for so long they can no longer play anything else.
>-Remove durability bars for weapons & armors
Thanks god
Equipment durability is bullshit and artificial difficulty in any game, it's a mechanic that exists because of pure sadism instead of attempts at realism or anything of the kind, because real world weapons and armors don't disintegrate after a few minutes or hours of use
>>338141591whyboner.jpeg
>>338144675
even I support the removal of durability I have to say a real katana is really fucking fragile, hours to use could ruin it easily irl
>>338144995
5 minutes of use ruins it in Ni-Oh alpha.
>>338145036
you can do the whole first area of the demo with the starting katana without fixing it, you little babby
>dork soul babies ruin another game
fuck off back to your dudebrostier memes retards
>>338145191
Yeah, 5 minutes.
>>338141207
Which is why the core gaming market is dead over there. Japan is long past its prime gaming wise.
nioh is a mediocre game and /v/ only like it because its hard
it looks and play like a 2008 ps3 game
i forced myself to finish it for the free dlc but i wont buy the full game unless they really improve graphics/mehcanics
who kidnapped the real team ninja?
i want them back to make my ninja gaiden 4
>>338145582
Here's the reply
>>338143995
Because maximum sales.
The developers of this industry have no artistic integrity. They have no backbone.
Back then they used to teach how the players should play. It was the audience that should adapt and improve and this was perfect. Nowadays your crybaby audience throws their little bitchy baby tantrums they used to get throughout their millennial lives and the developers already come in droves to pamper their spoiled asses.
Just look at what happened with the MMO market. Not ten years ago you had games that actually took effort to get where you wanted, but nowadays everything is on rails and automated.
>>338145785
They wanted people to fill out the surveys. They actively sought out the criticism and opinions of the alpha players. You make it seem like they caved into demands against their own will.
>>338143681
durability in the nioh alpha was good. it served as an indirect reward/incentive to play well. the flow is that as you learn the enemies and getting better at handling william you start getting hit less and less and after you set your path and find your style and what stats you want you start mass offering at the shrine and soon you find yourself always topped off on glue and whetstones. the game throws insane amounts of loot on you for a reason.
>>338145582
>who kidnapped the real team ninja?
Koei did and they just rent them out to other developers while not letting them work on anything they make.
They never even let them finish the steam version of DoA5LR, 12 months after launch and they haven't given everyone a completed game. I don't know why they even merged with them, they should have gone with square/enix.
>>338146004
And how does that contradict any of what I said, genius? A developer with artistic integrity would just keep the game the way it is and maybe just make a more fleshed out tutorial and that's it, not drag the whole thing down while removing things that might hinder the player altogether, like durability.
This place's reading comprehension is a disgrace, jesus.
>>338143681
It incentivizes you to atleast have a backup weapon
It would be no problem if you could repair at a shrine at a cost, whetstones for in field repair
>>338139696
That's pretty good. The only things I don't like that much is the stamina change and the enemy stat rebalancing. Other than that it's pretty much what I put in the survey. Glad that they listen.
>>338139696
>Remove durability bars for weapons & armors
Good.
Fuck that shit.
>>338146369
The game will benefit from this feedback and you can do nothing about it, pal
>>338146369
You realize artistic integrity doesn't have to exclude the audience right?
You're more or less right for Nioh, but your thought process is garbage
They didn't fix any of the actual problems like living weapon and sloth talismans making bosses a joke
the full game will be piss easy
>More shortcuts
Fucking Dark Souls casuals
>>338145785
>asking potential consumers for feedback is a lack of artistic integrity
Better they actually listen to people who can at least mostly beat the demo than have a few oversights blown out of proportion because of casuals who can't git gud.
>>338146505
FUCK YOU
>revise enemies' pursuing ability
Good, because the fact that I would throw a rock, immediately hide behind the corner, and they would still find me with zero effort and chase me down to the ends of the earth, was frankly some grade A bullshit
>>338145785
>The developers of this industry have no artistic integrity
>video games
>art
KYS yourslef
>>338146763
Why?
>>338146807
You are a casual little shit who didnt even beat the game
Kys
>Revise enemies' pursuing ability
Lol fucking babies.
>Murrica has better tastes than Europe and Japan
>>338146891
But I beat both stages multiple times. Also I don't see how any of this makes the game more casual.
>>338144137
Whetstones and glue.
Oh wait, that's in the game already.
kys
>>338139696
Watch how people still complain is too hard at launch.
>>338139696
graphics, chara design and area design are not good what the fuck
Can you play the first demo the now or was it taken down
>>338139696
From where did these "asians are good at video games" meme come from? Koreans and Chinese only play free to play MMOs and Japan phone games. Seems to me they are shit and their opinion worthless.
>>338139754
Japan is right, UI is bad, stage design is painfully average, chara design is shit while action is also average.
Thank the japanese overlords for ruining another fucking game.
>>338146983
KILL
YOURSELF
CASUAL BABY
Congratulations you turned an unique game into lords of the fallen 2.0
I hope you will be happy when it flops
Don't worry guys, the studio know it's shit. Just because they removed things won't make the game easier, they might add harder things.
>>338142157
WHITU PIGGU GO HOME
>>338141207
Did you just now notice will nearly every JRPG being easy as fuck and any modern game with challenging part having co-op for ez carries or the ability to grind.
>>338139696
>expand item shotcut slot
>remove weapon armor durability
We did it! How many of us sent that?
>>338147369
tell me this is real
>>338142827
See kids. this is what a weaboo looks like
>>338147240
>devil's turd
stop posting that hack as if he's relevant
>>338139696
-Remove durability bars for weapons & armor
FOR WHAT PURPOSE
The game was good with those features. Fucking casuals who can't play a hard game. Fuck you underage faggots and fuck you NIPS
>>338147372
I want to hit you in the fucking face you cheeky fuck
>SE thinks westerners are stupid and that's why they don't like JRPGs
>Releases Mystic Quest and it bombs because it's too stupid
>Capcom realizes westerners hated DMC2 because it was too easy
>DMC3's normal mode is actually the Japanese hard mode
>It's a success
>Souls sells more in the west
>Ninja Gaiden sells more in the west
>simulators and tactical games sell more in the west
>Indiefags are constantly trying to make games with just the right amount of high difficulty
When will game developers realize westerners can handle hard and actually enjoy it? Git Gud is the dankest meme.
>>338147910
m8, how about you beat your snake instead of threatening people online to beat them?
>remove artificial difficulty bars from armor/weapons
this is a good change though you tedium loving pleb faggots.
>>338142157
>4chan laughs at tragic events where lives are lost all around the world
>anime girl photoshopped on top of numerous deaths
>nigger nigger nigger spic mudslime
>Hitler was right, gas the kikes
>cuck cuck cuck-a-duck
>manjaw roastie london die in a fire
"B-b-b-but don't say Japan can't play video games, racist!"
>>338148035
fuck you and git gud. The durability system meant you had to stay on your toes, which was a nice addition to the high risk-high reward gameplay.
>>338148154
They can't. Fuck them.
>>338148217
No it didn't, it just meant you had to use one of the millions of whetstones that dropped every now and then. Unless they remove the ability to repair shit altogether, having durability adds nothing to the game
>>338148364
>No it didn't
fuck off an die
>>338147935
Then why did they make NG3 a casual shitfest? And no Razor didnt fix it.
>>338148404
Or use another weapon, whicih you pick up a lot, and get good with a variety of weapons instead of sticking to Muh Katana.
Bet you only use the starter in pokémon, too.
>>338147509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9jajP3bi58
>>338148484
Because they're retarded
No one liked NG3 besides KTdrones. I hated it so much I haven't touched a Team Ninja game since.
>>338148469
Nice argument.
The durability system in the demo meant nothing but having to use an item every now and then, that was it. It added no difficulty unless you were so bad that you couldn't beat a single enemy, in which case it didn't matter to you anyway
inb4
>Durability bars removed
>All gear now has the effectiveness equivalent to the demo weapons/armor when they're below 30%
>>338148217
It was tedious. I always found a metric shitton of weapons and armors in every class that were better than my current equips or sacrificed wholesale to the shrine for extra elixirs
I never actually broke any weapon, and if you were attached to katana # 315, they let you repair it.
>>338148489
I didn't use the katana for 90% of the demo, but nice try.
The weapon drops just make the durability even more pointless because there's always another weapon that's only slightly weaker than your current to switch to if you do manage to run out of repair items
>>338148642
>Nice argument.
It is. Shut the fuck up already you fucking useless scrub
The game was too punishing. Sorry, not sorry.
>>338148804
For your sake, I hope this is bait
>>338148835
It really isnt. It would be a lot easier if they tutorialized chi pulse and stamina management
>>338148935
They did teach you the ki pulse. Too bad it was in a place where some fucker backstabbed you and you couldn't read the tip twice unless you restarted the level.
>>338149037
No i mean literally
>hit new game
>the video for chi pulse shows up.
>>338141207
>>338141260
>>338141287
>>338141438
>>338141752
>>338143307
>>338143338
>>338141371
>japan is the only plyace that that still makes difficult big budget games with depthful combat system, with these games having a bigger slice of popularity in the gaming market than they do in the west
>japan is so fucking casual unlike us, amirite guys? XDD
you can't even notice that for westerners 90% of the shit is good? They just have no fucking idea how to fill a chart in the first place. Balancing is not the game's strongest point, just because the "lol, prepare to die xD" meme got suddenly popular in the west they shouldn't encourage shitty balancing.
I liked the low durability.
>>338149314
Your weaboo ass is so mad you can't even type correctly. Pathetic.
>>338147707
There was nothing "difficult" nor engaging about Nioh's durability.
Smash a couple boxes and you were then swimming in whetstones and glue. The only presence Durability had in the demo was making you stop for fifteen seconds every now and then to use an item that you don't have to worry about rationing.
It's not like Way of the Samurai 1-3 (Heat bar that builds if you swing over-aggressively or block too much in a short amount of time) nor Monster Hunter (Sharpness you need to keep in top condition to land blows against armored beasts) where you actually manage your weapon's durability in the middle of a fight.
Nioh's durability as it is was a pointless waste of time. Barring replacing it with something more consequential, getting rid of it was the best option.
>>338149314
The Witcher 3 is more difficult than Shitsouls 3.
>>338149425
>saying that on a weaboo site talking about a weaboo game
>>338149556
Maybe 5 years ago but not anymore.
>>338149486
shitty controls doesn't mean difficulty game
>>338149486
If you up the difficultly, sure, the enemies start doing huge amounts of damage. But the standard difficulty isn't hard and the higher difficulties are just tedious as it just comes down to using the shield over and over once you've taken a hit to get your health back.
Uncharted on the highest difficulty is stupidly hard, that doesn't make it well balanced
>>338141392
Welcome to the nowadays industry
I might not get this game anymore. Fucking casuals.
>>338147482
I just asked for slower weapon durability reduction
>>338149649
>Being delusional
>>338149649
Still a weeb game
>>338139696
>3. Enemies
>-Rebalancing enemy attack & defense stats
>-Revise enemies' pursuing ability
>-Rebalancing super armor (flinching) for each enemy type & attack
>-Rebalancing Revenant AIs
Why market the game as super hardcore and then nerf it after a demo? This just tells me the developers have no clear direction and the game is a mess.
>>338139754
>based japan want to make the game harder
>>338150902
You are dumb as hell mate.
>>338139696
>Revise requirements on stamina stagger when stamina reaches 0
>Revise enemies' pursuing ability
>Improve exploration features like adding shortcut paths
so it will be casualized to shit
Enemies following you forever is a good thing to do. It brings about frantic battles and the requirement to play smart. Dumbing down enemies because some people are fucking stupid is never a good thing.
Unless they do it in a smart way so you have to lose the enemies with skill instead of just running a specific distance.
JUST
ITS OVER NIOH IS FINISHED
DARK SOULS REMINDS THE HARDEST GAME EVER HAHAHA EAT SHIT
>tfw you voted with a bot to BTFO japan and didn't even play the game
>>338148519
>not available in germany
>>338139696
>beta test is actually a test/ survey to improve the game
>not just half assed marketing like overwatch
Color me impressed. I thought Team Ninja would shit the bed without Itagaki
"Customers never know what they want". Surveys are useless.
>>338151728
They're gunshy after ng3
>>338151728
wasn't the overwatch "beta" test just something to stress test the servers?
>Remove durability bars for weapons & armors
>>338149486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaeit-y-urc
>>338148484
>Then why did they make NG3 a casual shitfest?Trying to win over the Japanese audience once more since sales were tanking over there.
>>338144675
>Equipment durability is bullshit and artificial difficulty in any game
I bet you really hated Dead rising.
>>338147240
Oatmeal Cookie hasn't worked there in 8 years now.
> Just because they removed things won't make the game easier, they might add harder things.
NG3 says otherwise.
>>338153328
It's Blizzard. They know exactly what their servers can do. They left the game open just to distract people from Battleborn and give people a "demo".
I forgot to do the survey. I'm sorry /v/
All this tells me is that Americans are scared to demand better.
>>338154040
They got rid of healing potions, and the skulls were still challenging, even thogh Alma had been nerfed to shit, Vulf seemed harder in RE than S2
>>338154767
>They got rid of healing potionsNo, they were just repurposed as Ninpo
>>338154935
healing potions would let you heal instantly, even mid-battle. meditation needed you to find a safe place/time so wasn't always possible to use during challenges.boss fights
I thought the first boss was a lot harder than Nue. I even made a boss vid showing how easy it was to just spam triangle with hammer.
>>338139696
>difficulty and balance on the same line
confirmed trash
>>338155097
Ninpo gave healing if you didn't use the fireball one.
>>338141432
I don't even remember durability bars.
>>338155598
Wasn't that based on how many people you kill with it so useless against bosses anyway?
