Alright, /v/. I'm torn.
I hit SL 120. I'm ready to start new PVP builds. The thing is, I started NG+ and I'm only to the Abyss Watchers. Obviously, if I level up anymore, people will complain that I'm not following the "agreed upon" SL cap for PVP. But I'm not sure I'll be able to get through the rest of the game at SL 120. Plus, I have no idea what to do with the 200K+ souls I have in my pocket. Any advice? Do I just stay where I am in the game and only PVP in the first few areas? Or do I just make a whole new Character and grind through the whole game again?
>>338100285
Invest your souls in shiny rocks and make your invasions beautiful. Finish it at SL 120, challenge yourself.
Or can't you do it, you colossal faggot?
>>338100285
stop playing ur done
Why did you start ng+ in the first place
>>338100285
how the fuck did you get to soul level 120 before ng+ abyss watchers
also i thought the meta was 125
>>338100531
My first thought was to just think of it as a challenge. Here we go, I guess.
>>338100965
Well, I was like 105 when I finished my first playthrough, and that's with minimal grinding.
>>338100285
Wat.
I'm level 90 NG+ and Abyss were piss easy.
Are you funposting or are you being serious?
>finishing game with SL105
>fucking being so bad he can't even finish NG+ on SL120
Either you leveled up like a retard or you need some getting gud. The difficulty in the game doesn't even go up until NG+6 anyways.
>>338101208
>>338101250
I'm not even stuck though. I've been FLYING through NG+ so far. I haven't even fought the watchers yet. I'm just saying that I'm nervous about the late game bosses, mainly Nameless and Soul of Cinder.
>>338101097
I finished my first playthrough at 91. No idea what you're doing.
>>338101807
I got a ton of extra souls with the White Soap Stone.
>>338100285
>invading for toblerone
>hosts always summon phantoms
>if they don't immediately summon more, blues rock up
>constantly get 1-2 hit, but my hits are doing fuck all
>bonus: see people with cosplay, but using the grass crest shield
How the fuck do I git gud at invading? Literally the only invasion I won today was someone getting rekt by the irithyll bridge dog
>>338101392
>complaining about something that hasn't even happened
stop being such a baby and just play the videogame
How about we see that qt first
The real meta is 100 kid.
What happened to the autists saying pvp meta sl cap was 60
>>338100285
How the fuck are you having troubles with NG+ at SL120? Literally nothing changes except the enemies have a tiny little bit more of health and do a tiny little bit more of damage. I'm on NG++ and it's piss easy. Lost at least 3 million souls from NG to NG++ because I stopped caring about soul leveling.
>>338102504
She is prettycute
>>338102660
There are people who think it's 60, 80, 100, 120 and 125. I don't get it.
>>338102770
I'm not having trouble at all, though. I'm not complaining about it being hard, I'm trying to decide what I should do in regards to PVP. Like I said, I've been flying through NG+ without a hitch.
>>338101392
If you're unsure, just summon and respect to use the Dragonslayer Armor Shield whenever you reach the Nameless King at NG++ (the time you need to beat him for that last ring)
>>338102365
Are you invading to be annoying to hosts or to farm items?
If it is to be annoying, you should probably join a gank squad. That is how you mess with people now in souls, you annoy people farming for covenant items.
If you are invading for aforementioned covenant items, there are people online who cooperate with eachother to get those. Try that if regular invasions are not doing it for ya.
Bonus option C and just invading for the fun of it? Aim for areas that are not that popular. So definitely no Anor Londo. Maybe the crypts? I had a lot of success there finding solo hosts.
>>338103127
All of these are good points. Thanks, chief.
>>338101097
>105
>with minimal grinding
what
>>338102132
>ton of extra souls with WSS
double what
I did a shitload of co-op on my first playthrough and still finished at like SL85, what the fuck are you doing
If I'm carrying a million souls, how much does the invader get of that when I die?
Also typically I just spend all my souls on consumables like rope fire bombs and green blossoms and shit.
>>338104913
>NG+
>Only want to spend my souls on chunks
>Can't buy them until Archdragon Peak ashes
>mfw running through NG+ with 2,500,000 souls and Dried Finger active
>>338104913
I heard its not based on your souls but something like 25% of the area boss souls
op give us qt character face
>>338105221
>lugging around 1,000,000 souls in farronkeep/aldrich zone
>pop dried finger
>1v5 against invaders with guerilla tactics until inevitably getting hunted down like the dog i am
>tfw everyone gets a fuckton of souls and i just have to go pick them up
its a nice feeling
>>338100285
Beat NG+ at level 60 and I only went to that level because I heard there was a pvp meta, most of NG+ was done at level 50 and NG was done a lvl 25.
>>338101807
I finished at 61, what's your excuse?
>>338100285
SL120 is more than enough to EASILY beat the game all the way to NG+7
Meta:
SL25 +2 - low level / watchdog
SL 55 +6 - mid level - aldritch shenanigans
SL 89 +10 - Invasion cap (last level before you start invading SL 120)
SL 120 +10 - FC/Duels
>>338100285
i'm at 125 and i'm on like NG+6, the game does not get harder other than small health and damage boosts.
as for the souls, spend them on titanite and consumables, that's about all there is to spend them on anyways.
>>338100285
I just got past pontiff at sl 100 on NG+ for pvp shit is easy.
>>338105631
89 mustard race
>>338102840
120 is the meta from the previous games that got carried over, however, there are some in the community that think the new stat and poise systems don't require such a lvl for unique and effective builds so lvl 100 was proposed. There has also been a lower lvl pvp scene and right now it seems to be at lvl 60, but some argue lvl 80 would be best for the real pvp meta.
Game is still newish so nothing has been settled yet.
>>338105631
>tfw went to 120 so my friend would shut up
>got an extra 5 to get Mornes blade from yuria
>sitting at sl 125 with 40 vig 19 vit 25 end 50 str
40 dex
>every weapons ar is 450+ and I use anything and just make it refined for mass damage
I feel like 120 is a tad to high but I can't im not enjoying it before I got the 5 extra levels I just had 35 vig instead of 40.
>>338105631
>tfw used to be 89 for a while
>just put one more point into vitality and set my SL at 90
am i fucked now
am i going to invade into sl 120 gank squads now
>>338105453
he right tho
>Get to SL 80
>Have all the points I want for everything
>Next levels require, like, 40,000 souls anyway
Why do people go to 120 exactly? It doesn't even really make you any stronger. You get miniscule benefits after you have 40 in health, endurance and your main stat. You want to wear heavy armour for 5% damage reduction? Cmon now.
>>338106435
It makes you a fuck ton stronger son. see >>338106218 I hit fucking 900 rolling r1s with astoras greatsword +10 refined. I should of never went this high it's intense.
Holy shit, why didn't anyone tell me how fun the Homosword was? I just beat NG+ Pontiff with only the Weapon Arts and Chaos Fireballs.
>>338106435
casters require more levels to actually be useful
>>338106601
with an off hand simple weapon you can lazerbeam shit forever.
>>338106435
ppl go to 120 becuase they can softcap virtually every stat they need.
It totally elimates "builds". It's alright for dueling and 1v1 but also full of reddit/twitch cancer using dark sword, havels GS, estoc etc...
>>338106491
The difference between SL 89 and SL 120 refined builds is about 300 more hp, 20 more stamina, and a few free points for vit/magic stat for buffs (shunned in most FC) big fucking whoop.
The fuck? I'm SL 85 at NG+ Archdragon Peak and am doing just fine, OP. The NG+ in this game honestly feels not much different than NG.
>>338106767
I just wish it had the real nigga Lorian Weapon Art. Hyper armor is cool, but sometimes you just want to flip people like pancakes.
>>338106702
They don't actually it's the opposite.
Casters are only viable sub 89 becuase once you get into SL 120 people have retarded amounts of HP and mitigation and the chances of you killing something go way down since spells are filled with RNG and are easy to dodge.
When you play caster at lower levels it only takes 2 or so spells to kill someone and that means they don't have time to sip and laugh at you.
>>338106825
Show me a 89 quality build with 50 str 45 dex without rings
>>338105221
>Dried Finger active
Fucking why?
>>338106435
Casters (especially pyros) need the extra levels to not be glass cannons.
>>338107056
I like smashing invadersand giving them a break from ganksquads.
>>338106601
What sword is that?
>>338106825
>It totally elimates "builds". It's alright for dueling and 1v1 but also full of reddit/twitch cancer using dark sword, havels GS, estoc etc...
That's funny because I have a 120 shitter and level 67 mound maker and I meet the same shit over over and more dank swords on the mound maker then 120.
I fucking hate Post-Pontiff Irithyll. I put on Blue Sentinels so I can help out people being ganked, and all I get is a red and an Aldrich. I put on WoB and nobody summons in to help me. This is fucking gay. I'm better off going red Sunbro if I want to help people in PvP.
>>338107168
Twin Princes' Greatsword. Fuse Lorian and Lothric's swords into one GS. Has two weapon arts.
>>338107292
>Red sun bros
Those are the most cancerous faggots next to mound makers though
>>338107038
>45 dex
why? dex soft caps at 40, any additional points only increases AR by a single point.
You could make a very effective warrior build at 24/6/15/15/50/40//8/9/11
>>338107426
Well, what am I supposed to do? Just get my brains invaded out until someone finally summons me?
>>338107459
>Why
To push the limits to see what would happen and it turned up the lurcrune damage by 4 the extra 5 points
>>338107181
low level is worse for variety because there are less viable weapons
If you want a "top tier" weapon at level ~60, you have the dark sword and the estoc and the lucern as options. Everything else requires higher stats or is way far into the game where somebody would level up more.
Once you're at level 120 you're fighting people who have access to other top tier weapons like the glaive, chaos fire orb, black knight greataxe, dragonslayer greataxe, Greathammers with the stats to use them, greatshields etc.
>>338107594
Exactly so wouldn't the lower level meta have more of the dark swords not higher level one? That goes opposite of what the anon was saying. also sl 67 40 dex +9 sharp sellswords have a AR of 386 and kill better then the dark sword. I don't know why no one uses these things.
>>338107181
This desu
>Made a 115 (saving 5 levels for Yoel in NG+)
>Few dark swords/estocs in FC's/invasions only seen one Havel greatshield too
>Make a new char currently at 55 and do Aldrich covenant
>Everyone's a dark sword ganking shitter who camps water reserve bonfire
>>338107459
>24 vig
Enjoy being one shotted
>>338107556
>using 5 stat points to increase AR by 4
even vit would make better use of those points.
SL85 and I'm having the most fun of all my characters.
The only inconvenience would be the fact that there's a lot of people who somehow fail to grasp simple concepts like rolling
>>338107814
Literally just take those 10 points in STR and put them in VIG
>>338107841
I can always respec I guess they are just sitting there. I didn't even want to go that high my friend just wouldn't shut up about it so I said fuck it and made one character go that high. I'm not saying it should be the meta but you can have some pretty funny shinnageins at 120.
>>338100285
Finishing NG+ at SL120 is totally possible. If you're having trouble then maybe the problem is with your build, or weapon of choice.
As for extra Souls, buy consumables, armours for fashion and upgrade materials.
>>338108050
>upgrade materials.
INFINITE BUYABLE SLABS WHEN?
>>338107970
Then I would gimp myself of strength faggot. Why would I purposefully handicap myself to make autistic fucks happy when a majority of players play at 100 or 120 and 120 can hit from 100 to 160 depending on your covenant rune.
>>338108117
since the game came out?
Are you retarded by chance?
You'll be fine man. I was hoarding souls and leveled up to 112 and the beginning of ng+. I felt so overpowered so I just quit leveling and on nameless king/soul of cinder now. Felt way overpowered for most of the bosses in ng+ at 112.
>>338108405
Are you the retard the hand maiden doesn't sell unlimited. You only get 8 pre playthrough
>>338105609
I finished at SL -1, why are you so bad?
>>338108405
Anon, you can only buy, I think, 1 Slab from the handmaid.
I think there's only a total of 8 slabs per NG.
Making a heavy paladin, what's a good weapon to invest in?
Great Club, right?
>>338108575
>heavy paladin
Astora Greatsword
>>338108137
STR soft caps at 40 as well. There are no quality build weapons that require more than 40/40 stat requirements so there is no reason to push beyond the soft cap. At the very most you might gain 10AR from the extra STR where you can gain at least 200HP from the VIG.
>>338108575
Morns hammer or astoras greatsword if you want S lightning scaling
>>338108575
Astora GS
Lothric Knight GS
Morne Hammer
Great Club
>>338108656
Smoughs hammer disagrees with you faggot
Tell me how much of a faggot I am for preferring keyboard and mouse. I've played all the Souls game on a Playstation of some kind, and this is my first one on PC. I can't look back though.
>>338108608
>>338108672
>>338108738
>Astora Greatsword
Literally the best weapon in the game
>>338101392
I beat Nameless in 2 tries at like SL100 something. He's really not that hard as long as you stay calm and time your rolls.
I beat NG++ at 100. The hike in enemy HP and stuff is more significant from NG to +, than + to ++
>>338108575
Morne's Great Hammer. 50str30fth requirement but it gets B scaling at +4/+5 and it as a gerat AoE weapon art. Get yourself a simple infused shield and just spam Morne's Rage at everything.
>>338108575
>Paladin
>Club
Nigger, you're going Blessed Mace/Morning Star or Halberd or you're not doing it at all.
>>338108575
Great Club? What are you? A savage?
Use a big ass mace or hammer like a proper knight.
So what the fuck do I level now? I'm 77 or 78 and have 40 Dex, 40 End and 24 Vit. I might boost some more into vit for fashion and fast roll but that's literally it. Should I just dump points into Vigor or faith/int just to be another memer? Just beat Nameless King and not sure what to do.
>>338108765
Smough's hammer is not a quality build weapon, faggot.
>>338108869
>>338108884
>Not ripping a branch off a holy giant tree to use as your weapon
>>338108968
Quality build can use more then just Quality weapons. It's called being a blade master and being able to use strength and dex weapons together.
>>338108925
>24 Vit
Unless you want more than two weapons big weapons, you really don't need more than 20. Endurance and Vit go a long way, if you're going to be a pure melee build, you'll want some of that.
Why the fuck does these games only allow for 10 profiles? Fuck this shit.
>>338108925
What's your VIG? What's your STR?
Could always level up LCK and go for a Hollow infused Carthus Curved Sword or Anri's Straight sword
>>338108925
Vig is always good. Since you're a dex build you could start levelling Luck and get a hollow infused bleed weapon, you'll wreck shit even better than before.
Finished the Game at 46 , leveld up to 60. I dont see any point in going past 60 for me. Paladin build still viable for pvp.
>>338106976
Really, you'll still likely be able to kill in 2 hits no matter what level you go to between 80 and 120. If you can accept that as a caster you shouldn't be a tank too and ditch the health, it's a lot easier to deal with in general.
You just have to fall more in line on appreciating having some range, not being able to be parried (which is way too fucking easy in this game), working better in a team setting, and being able to use terrain or obscuring ring way better than any melee character can.
If Im sl 90 should I just bite the bullet and head to 120? I dont want to invade 120 cancer at sl 90, but I still want to sit near 80.
>>338109043
My endurance is at 40. It doesn't need to go higher, though I guess it could. My vigor is baseline for my class, which I think is either 11 or 12. I need the vit for fast roll with my fashion for pure nerd play. I'm literally 3% away when I wear all the pieces.
>>338109242
here's your pat on the back
>>338109041
Yes quality builds do have the advantage of a large arsenal to choose from, but only for what is within their range, it does not mean they should be able to use every weapon in the game. Smough's hammer is outside the range of a quality build.
>>338109512
Not the 100 meta like everyone else it's at it's not. Get over faggot the sl 89 meta is a small group of the players
>>338105631
Its infuriating that Rosaria will not allow us to reset SL. High level characters will be locked into the +7-10 weapon bracket anyways FROM. Come the fuck on.
>>338108765
Oh come on, you are never going to 1 hand that weapon to swing it.
>>338109083
Because Japanese developers don't understand computers.
>>338108531
Teach me your ways, sempai
>>338109624
It's one handed r2 gets more people then you'd believe.
>>338100285
Post your character's face
>>338109430
>My endurance is at 40
Oh, in that case, put your VIG at least over 20 or something. You could use havel's ring if you want more equip load for fast roll but if you want a free ring slot then go ahead, it's probably just 4 points in Vitality or something to get what you want.
>120
You fucked up.
Average stopping point is 99, so upper limit is 119.
>>338109107
>>338109175
They're both base from what I recall, with maybe two points in strength to allow for weapons and the like. Luck could be fun but wouldn't that require heavy investment?
>>338109769
>Average stopping point is 99
no it's not lad
I'm thinking between
>35/20/30/15/30/20/8/40/11 for a str-fth lightning build
>30/20/25/15/50/20/8/30/11 str-fth dark miracle build
What do you advice?
Is attunemet too little?
>>338109598
if you're building for lvl 100 pvp why would you waste ten stat points in something that offers very little benefit to your build just for the offhand chance that you may want to wield Smough's hammer sometimes? Those stats are much better invested in something else.
>>338109868
It honestly depends on what spells you want to use
>>338109847
>wouldn't that require heavy investment?
Depends on your starting class and for fucks sake put some points into VIG you 400hp cunt
NG+3 at the moment at level 53 with heavy +8 meme sword, game is so poorly balanced
>>338109893
100 meta can connect up to 120 without any conveant besides sunbro and up to 160+ with other runes. you can level all the way to 120 and still play at the meta.
>>338109756
Already using it. Sellsword gear weighs way too fucking much considering i'm wearing all but the fucking heavy part. I just want to be Sinbad fuckers.
>>338105631
>SL25 +2 - low level / watchdog
my SL25 with +4 weapons gets plenty of action in the Farron area and Undead Settlement, haven't really tested it in the High Wall of Lothric.
You can get a +4 weapon with the 2 large shards the lizards drop on the bridge above Farron Keep, and most anons will have at least a +2 weapon around Vordt, which is the min range for +4s
>>338110000
mostly lightning spear from the soul of cinder for the 1st and the dark weapon buff + dorhy gnawing for the 2nd
>>338100965
I did too
I'm 127 only cause in NG+ I did the Irina side quest and wanted to know if leveling from her would trigger new dialogue (it doesn't). Then on NG++ I got the free level from that pilgrim to try a luck build.
>>338110008
Yeah, getting phantom slapped is a cunt in pvp but its worked out okay for pve so far. Only thing i've noticed is that it seems to pretty much bar you from using the symbol of avarice effectively but whatever.
Do you think they'll add a dual falchion setup later?
>>338109019
>Defiling a holy tree
>>338100285
I didn't level past 120 until NG+7 (150 now). +7 is kind of a bitch; it's the first time I died to watchers.
Does a LCK build require me to level up DEX or STR beyond whatever requirements are for the weapon of my choice?
>>338110045
The original post was talking about staying at the lvl89 meta. Later posts point out that lvl89 is enough to softcap both str and dex and still have an effective pvp character, but then some other guy argued that soft caps are not enough for a 50/45 quality build even though qaulity is most effective at 40/40. It was then stated that 40/40 wasn't enough for a smough's hammer, but that hammer isn't a quality weapon so anyone building a lvl 89 quality character would never use that weapon (BKGA ihas better damage, less requirements, and scales well with a quality build). Then somehow the lvl got bumped to 100 which would be a stupid idea as like you stated it links up with the lvl 120 meta so all that happens is you end up under levelled.
>>338110543
>weapon of choice
If you're running luck, you are probably using Anri's Sword.
>>338110543
No, but when you infuse something with Hollow gem it usually keeps a decent scaling on str and dex
>>338101392
If that's all you're worried about, you're fine. You don't even have to beat Champion to have access to all the areas for PvP, nor do you have to beat Nameless or Cinder. You just have to beat UP TO Prince Lorian, and Ancient Wyvern for the optional areas.
I did NG+ on a Bleed build and also flew through the areas. You'll be fine.
>>338110076
That's because you're still hitting the level 30-50 range, but you've locked yourself out of the lower levels by going to +4.
>>338110619
I kinda wanted to go with bleed weapons, Warden swords and Carthus sword actually
>>338110543
You pretty much gotta use a bleed weapon if you don't want to level STR or DEX and go pure Luck. That or Anri's sword. Anri's Sword is one of the few weapons that still scales decent passed the 40 softcap.
Currently at NG+4 with my Cathedral Night character. Having literally zero problem with enemies and very rarely die. Get gud is all I can say.
>>338110759
>you've locked yourself out of the lower levels by going to +4.
Are you retarded? +4 gets to play with +2 - +6
>>338100285
You honestly need to just play more.
I just hit the archives with a soul level 1 dude. It's taken me about twenty hours but I am near the end and I haven't even started doing the consumed king to learn his patterns. But I did it and all it took was fighting some bosses many many many times. This was without summons mind you.
I am sure new game plus at soul level 120 with summoning is much easier. It'll probably take you ten hours. It's not like you have to even get everything in the area or fight every dude.
>>338110834
2Kats also works. There's a good amount of bleed weapons this time, the bitch part is getting Hollow Gems.
The PvP is fucking trash anyway. You're basically restricted to a couple weapons because they completely outclass everything else and if you aren't using them you're guaranteed to lose.
>>338110941
>It's not like you have to even get everything in the area or fight every dude.
If you don't kill everything, everywhere, you're not playing Souls games properly
>>338102937
Then why did you even make this fucking thread.
>>338106976
i'm talking more for fighting people that aren't shitters and not invading randos and running and hiding. all of the spells are braindead easy to dodge.
>>338110045
weren't you saying your skilled 50 str 45 dex because you want to use all the weapons while going to extra mile with dex?
that's not a quality build anymore, that's now a jack of all trades build. also, you still can't use all the chimes and staves, so better go to meta sl 200 so you can rev up those mental attributes.
>>338104482
If you don't die, you're swimming in souls by the end of NG. It's easy to get to 100.
>>338111027
He already beat it once he just wants to get to an area to pvp.
Also play the game anyway you like wtf it's for fun bro.
>>338110759
The fights we're getting say otherwise, their weapons aren't hitting for a lot when we sit in the forest and get invaded. and phantoms have low enough health to be 2 and 3 shot by a lothric knight greatsword.
again, nearly everyone, save for people who don't understand the upgrade system will have at least a +2 by vordt, back up your save and reinforce your +2s and see for yourself.
>>338110543
No, but it doesn't hurt to add more.
Hollow infused weapons do maintain the vanilla stat scaling and because of this quality bleed weapons (such as: Barbed SS, Carthus CGS, and Warden TB) end up out damaging their heavy/sharp/refined versions.
NG+ is 1 billion times easier than NG as a caster because you start the game with Hidden Body and a long dick FP bar.
you can also do actual magic damage.
it only took me 5 attempts to kill Crystal Sage instead of 15.
How are people finishing ng at sub 95-100? Wtf are you nigs spending souls on? The game gives them out like candy and I can only buy so many consumables I never use until I'm forced to spend them on souls.
>>338111016
Nah, I've been doing fine with a lot of weapons.
>>338111281
>finishing NG over SL80
>overleveling this badly
>>338110902
At SL 120*
>>338111359
I finished NG at SL 100 but that's because I spent more time invading and hosting fight clubs for friends.
>>338111281
>he doesn't spend his souls on black firebombs and undead hunter charms
>>338111281
>He calls putting down summon signs for bosses constantly "not grinding"
>>338111281
Calm down their Pat Boivon.
>>338111347
Name a few. Bet they're UGS's, straight swords, or halberds.
>>338100285
you can absolutely make it through to NG+7 at SL120
NG+4 tarkus reporting in
>>338111506
>that pontiff """"""""fight"""""""
fuck the estoc and fuck him with the estoc
>>338111359
That's the thing though I never grinded for levels or farmed anything outside of some covenant gear. I just played the game, did some coop/pvp, and towards the last few areas was getting upwards of 500k souls just by clearing a level+boss.
>>338111583
>Tarkus
>no functional poise in the game
You will always be a pretender.
>>338111583
>35 VIT
>in a game where heavy armor is retarded
I get that you like cosplaying as BIGFAT MCCOCK but you should respec and get more VIG and a few more points into STR or DEX depending on what weapons you use.
>>338100285
could you post sliders and what stuff you are wearing?
>>338111674
You indirectly farmed by dying a shit ton and successfully recovering your bloodstain each time.
Sure you were just playing the game normallyand being a shitterbut you weren't not farming either.
My friend put down a summon sign before every single boss for the free ember on his first playthrough and he finished the game at around 85.
>tfw when smough build
>60 vit
>33 strength
>no upgrades to vig or ed
why is heavy armour so fucking useless. It says it has the highest poise and im getting fucken stunned by lil bitches twigs
>>338111975
>My friend put down a summon sign before every single boss for the free ember on his first playthrough and he finished the game at around 85.
>mfw when I died I would either co-op the area boss or invade to get embered again
>>338111512
BKGA
DGA
DSGA
Spiked Club
Witch's Lock
Avelyn
Sellsword Twinblades
Exile GS
Carthus CS
Ricard Rapier
Both set of claws
Pure Pyromancy
DSS
DSSS
>>338112040
This game has no poise.
>>338112040
Have you been living under a rock? Poise in this game affects your i-frames during rolls. More specifically, how many you have after getting hit and how many you recover over time. It doesn't matter if you're wearing rags or the champs armor, you're going to get staggered to death by rats
>>338112103
How would you compare Ricard's Rapier to the Estoc? I've got a bunch of chunks and an extra slab lying around, but I'm not even sure if it's worth using over the estoc.
>>338112040
>Smough build with only 33 Str
>No Vigor
>Only 60 Vitality
talk about scraping under the wire, man, you'd need Ring of Favor and Havel's both +2 just to work with that.
>>338106051
120 was the meta in Dark Souls and Demons Souls because it let you hit the softcaps in your neutral stats while being able to invest into two offensive stats of your choice. The problem with a sub 120 SL meta in dark souls is that magic requires waaaaaaaaaaaaay more investment than melee for less payoff, a low SL meta makes an already painful playstyle outright impossible by not allowing hybrid builds that aren't utterly worthless.
SL 120 is probably the best compromise between quality shitters and magicucks. 150 is ideal for spellcaster hybrids. Anyone suggesting a meta below 100 is a faggot.
>>338105631
I fucking knew going to 120 was a mistake, fucking reddit fight club faggots FUCK.
>>338105631
>SL 55 +6 - mid level - aldritch shenanigans
>aldritch shenanigans
Literally the most fun I've had
>>338112374
Ricard's Rapier has about 30 more AR with a sharp infusion. You'll have to decide if extra AR is worth the shorter reach.
>getting tons of invasions and jolly co-op in irithyll
>finally upgrade my shit from +9 to +10
>not getting summoned anymore
FUCK. Okay, so how exactly do weapon upgrades affect matchmaking? If I box my +10 stuff, so I'm only actively carrying +9, am I back to where I was originally?
>>338112462
This, basically. Shitters cap around 50 and the rest is just fluff for them, but casters cap as high as 150, especially Pyros. Especially Hybrid Pyros.
-Hybrid Pyro
But making everyone go up to 150 isn't conducive since it's almost exclusively a luck dump for most Quality and equivalent builds, cause they need 0 Int, 0 Faith, very little/0 Vitality, soft cap on Vigor, Strength, and Dex, and that's it.
>>338112132
my suffering is truly endless. Fuck me this smough build is gonna be a bitch
>>338112242
fuck me with a 12inch spear. Sounds like the payoff for wearing heavy armour is just complete shit, so are you saying i get more i-frames with more poise?
>>338112457
nothing funnier than being dressed as smough with a buckler and dagger equipped and then switching to the hammer as the parry goes off
>>338112810
No, whatever is the highest weapon you've upgraded will forever be linked to the character, doesn't matter where it is or if you discard it. In any case +10 is still able to play with up to +7
>>338112820
I agree with that last line.
But the safe line for a Smough kit is 45 Strength, 68 Vitality, and 40 Vigor. Caps at exactly 119 as a Warrior.
>>338112980
No +10 can only play with +8 or higher. The weapon level range is -/+ 2.
>>338112820
>so are you saying i get more i-frames with more poise?
You don't lose as many as people wearing a bit less armor. We're talking about midroll having 13 i-frames. You might lose 1 or 2 with heavy armor, other people might lose 2-3. You'll recover them a bit faster. But we're talking about people wearing light armor or just clothes. 20 VIT and just carrying 2 weapons will allow you to use med armor and basically keep your i-frames as much as your retarded ass is keeping them now with fuckstupid high VIT.
Heavy armor is useless.
>>338112818
150 is definitely overkill for pure melee, unless you just want to start dumping points in VIT for fashion souls or luck for worthless gimmick souls. That being said, it seems to offer the most flexibility in builds at this point in the game's lifespan.
>>338112820
>so are you saying i get more i-frames with more poise?
No. Each equip level (>30, >70, >100) has a set number of i-frames. each time you are hit you lose some of those i-frames making it easier to get staggered while rolling away. Poise just reduces the number of i-frames lost and increases the rate at which they recover.
>>338113095
+10 are locked into a +10 only bracket actually.
+7 can play with up to +9, but 10 can only play with anyone who has gotten a +10 at least once.
Does anyone know why I hyperarmor when I get hit during rolls?
>First person Dark Souls
Huh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=nDShspLkux0
>mfw I'm SL 141
>mfw will continue to level so I can try out heavier builds
>mfw don't care about arbitrary meta caps forced to the players
>>338113240
>Each equip level (>30, >70, >100) has a set number of i-frames
Fast and midroll both have 13 i-frames, fast roll just has like 4 more vulnerability frames and longer movement.
>>338113057
cheers i was wondering what i should hit my stats to. Only SL 75 right now.
>>338113240
thanks for the explanation. Kinda wish i could just tank everything like in DAS1
>>338113253
Jeez that's really shitty.
>>338113375
It's a meta PvP cap, if you don't PvP then it doesn't affect you in the slightest.
>>338113375
>>mfw don't care about arbitrary meta caps forced to the players
I mean for all I care anyone can level up to SL800 and use everything ever. But you're going to see less and less invasions and multiplayer in general as you go up after 120.
1-120 is for pvp, for pve you can do whatever the fuck you want.
>>338113437
Yeah, it's not an issue in NG+, but beforehand, it's annoying for many.
Where's a good place to invade at 120. And I don't mean laying my sign down and doing faggot pvp against metamemers, I want to invade people doing PvE so I can actually win.
>>338112980
Seriously? That's some fucking horseshit
>>338113253
Well that explains it. Wish I knew beforehand that going to +10 was automatic "SL120 honorable duels only"
Guess I'm going to download cheatengine back to +9 for everything.
>>338113609
>it's not an issue in NG+
People can play with anyone in the SL range, doesn't matter which NG+ cycle they're in.
>cant get through the game at SL120
bruh....im 85 @ NG++++ and its still a cake walk.
>>338113679
>cheat engine
In NG+ and NG+2, everyone is using +5 Twink/Boss weapons and +10 normal weapons (same thing.)
>>338113638
anyone at lvl 120 will have already beaten the game at least twice and are more likely just doing duels are aldrich invasions.
rate it
>>338113375
the only people you can play with are people your level so its not like it matters to the SL80's-120's
>>338112242
>Poise in this game affects your i-frames during rolls.
Wasn't this confirmed to be tied to total weight and not poise, or something along those lines.
>>338113167
Vit and heavy armor also gives more defense, but nobody ever says anything about it bc muh poise is all anybody cares about.
>>338114000
hes regurgitating busted memes, poise does nothing, its literally disabled.
>>338114051
>more defense
Having more HP is better than 3 more points in absorption. As long as you're wearing something in each bodypart the damage you receive is going to be similar.
>>338114051
The DEF gains from VIT are great, but STR also has very good DEF gains and it's a much more useful stat.
>doing coop at the kiln to grind enough souls to hit 115-120 before I move on to ng+, playing pokemon roms while I wait, with the occasional pvp
stay comfy my friends; and watch out for the onion-bro hacker
>>338114051
No one talks about it because they give an absorbtion % which soft caps at like 22, and when all invasions are rapiers or straight swords the benefit is astoundingly minimal for the weight cost. The only time you'd ever see a difference in damage absorption is against big ass weapons which are only hitting you because you fat roll.
>>338114181
>hes regurgitating busted memes, poise does nothing, its literally disabled.
It's already been confirmed though
>>338113638
SL120 is prolly too high for invasions but you might be able to find the odd SL140 if you walk through the whole map searching for invasions.
>>338113752
What's your point? I'm saying that I decided to finally upgrade my weapons with slabs from +9 to +10 and ended up getting cut off from all the multiplayer shit I was doing beforehand. This effectively gimps my fun and makes it so I'm basically only going to be able to play with high level NG+ SL120 people. No longer playing with other folk doing jolly co-op through levels.
>>338114346
no it hasn't.
>>338114346
Yes, confirmed to be literally disabled.
>>338114346
>It's already been confirmed though
I recall watching a video debunking the whole poise affecting rolls, turned out it was weight and not poise the thing affecting rolls in some way.
I don't recall the exact details, but let me try finding that video.
Where do I coop at level 50 +7? I made a new char and stayed embered/fingered was only invaded twiceand saw 2 signs the whole game.
>>338114401
Go to whatever zone comes after the one you're in, you fucking retard. +10 doesn't lock you in with 120 metashitters. If your weapon progression is natural to the game, ie. you didn't grind for +10 in an hour by beating dancer early, there'll be a lot of people following that natural upgrade level in the next zone
>>338114637
>Where do I coop at level 50 +7?
Area after pontiff, though you might want to level up just slightly to SL55 or so. You can do anor london or dungeon invasions. Don't level your weapon though
>>338114401
>>338114337
VIT increases your flat DEF, not DA. 10 points in VIT will increase your flat DEF by about 15 points, that's 15 points less damage from each attack.
However, 10 points in STR will increase flat DEF by about 8 points while also increasing fire DA, adding to weapon requirements and increasing strength scaling weapon damage.
VIT is a near useless stat.
>>338114643
+10 locks you to only those at +10. At +9, I was getting tons of people everywhere. Do the math; one inherently means you have more limited options.
And I've tried multiple areas and reached the same overall deal. Less multiplayer activity at +10 than at +9. And my favorite area to do multiplayer was irithyll, which is completely bust now.
So I'll be using cheat engine to fix this problem.
>>338114401
Placebo effect. The weapon range for +10 weapons is +7 to +10. The weapon range for +9 is +7 to +10. Then it checks for a flat 20 levels lower/higher and connects you to anyone meeting those requirements.
>>338114965
>And my favorite area to do multiplayer was irithyll, which is completely bust now.
You're fucking retarded, no one in that area has a +10 weapon when they're first going through it. I hope you get banned for using cheat engine
>>338114965
>do the math
You don't even know the actual summon ranges for weapon MM and you tell others that shit? Try spending 10 seconds in google retard.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Range+Calculator
>>338114803
>>338115282
>be player A
>can only invade or interact with +10 players
How can I be player B?
>>338100285
NG+4 SL120 here
Grow some balls you pussy.
>>338115412
Look at the pic again. You will be matched with anyone who's max upgraded (max upgrade) MAX UPGRADE is the number on the right.
>>338115645
So if I'm at +10, I can only be matched with other people whose max upgraded (max upgrade) MAX UPGRADE is +10 as well, right?
>>338100285
>"agreed upon" SL cap
I never agreed to shit, level up all the fuck you want, and roll'em. If you feel like gathering 110,000 souls to lvl up, do it.
I'm on NG+2 but my character is SL 235. How fucked am I if I decide I want to start PvPing?
>>338115873
>I WANT AN EMPTY WORLD WITH NO CO-OP OR PVP
k
>>338114620
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCiVg5HqWLg
I also recall some guy hacking and "enabling" it somehow, but I can't find that one.
>>338116258
Yeah, poise doesn't affect tanking shit during recovery frames. It affects the amount of i-frames you lose when getting hit and how fast your recover said frames. We're not talking about if you're going to get staggered or not when getting hit, since you will always get staggered the same since poise doesn't work the same as it did in DaS1. We're talking about you having 13 frames of invincibility during rolls. If you get hit, those frames are reduced for your next roll. So if you get hit twice with a FUGS while wearing nothing and then roll away, chances are you'll get shit since your roll has less i-frames. It's counter intuitive since heavy armor will likely make you fat roll, and poise has diminishing returns, so the amount you can stack becomes less as you stack more. The only way to not get staggered is using Stone Flesh, the weapon art from caestus/maces or Hyperarmor frames, all of which are not dependant on your poise stat.
>>338116737
is this just meme magic or do you have any video proof of this?
>>338116737
>It affects the amount of i-frames you lose when getting hit and how fast your recover said frames.
This is the first time I've ever heard of this, did you test it yourself?
Can you back it up with some data and/or video showcasing it?
>>338116893
>>338116963
http://pastebin.com/XhHRjKa6
Pretty long read
>>338116893
>>338116963
>WAAAAAAAAH IF ITS NOT DAS1 POISE ITS DISABLED YOURE LYING ITS NOT TRUE THAT POISE HAS A USE GIVE ME TIMESTAMPED EVIDENCE
>>338116893
Reddit had a thread where a guy tested poise to see what it effected. His conclusion was that poise was an i-frame defence.
I haven't seen anything confirming or denying the redditor's hypothesis, but this thread has suggested that it was a false conclusion, but I haven't seen proof of that either.
>>338106601
I found my weaponfu way late, but got to use it on Pontiff in NG+.
Capoeira Souls
>>338117306
It's fine for pve, but anime sword is so shit for pvp
>>338113850
howd you get the coatless sorcerer top
>>338106051
Those people are fucking braindead morons who have never tried to make a caster in DaS3. Any "meta" below 100 is impossible for Casters.
Why should I give a fuck about meta and not just max everything?
>>338117562
If you want to play with other people you want to stay within a SL to be able to be matched with as much people as possible depending on your area, equipment, build, type of fun you're looking for.
If you don't care about the multiplayer aspect fo the game, you can level everything up to 99. Just don't expect to engage in co-op or pvp
>>338117112
There's be so much misinformation and outright lies about poise since the game came out, why wouldn't you ask for proof about a new claim?
>>338117562
because after a while killing the same enemies at the same placement with the same amount of difficulty gets boring. doesn't help that the ng barely changes shit
>equip blue sentinels/blades of darkmoon
>wait around for 15 minutes with no luck
>say screw it and invade
>darkmoon joins in 10 seconds after I arrive
>>338117063
This is some convoluted shit, but interesting.
Doesn't lag come into play for those "roll catches" that guy speaks of?
>>338117879
BS/BoD have a ratio of 40:1 compared to WoB. When I'm way of blue I get a blueberry every time an invasion happens, but i've spent hours as a BS/BoD and only gotten a failed summoning, once.
>>338117879
It's cause there's SO MANY Sentinels and Darkmoon and SO FEW invasions in comparison.
EVERYONE wants a Sentinel/Darkmoon summon, but nowhere near enough people are Embered to allow for those Invasions.
Which is why Blue Sentinel and Darkmoon should have been 1 Covenant, Sentinels from Horace in Road of Sac., and gaining access to feather head in the tower being the way to spend those Concords, disband way of blue and make Sentinels a closed system with Darkmoon level help (cross-area.)
If you are Embered and get invaded as a Sentinel, another can come from anywhere to help.
Boom, THREE covenants fixed in one fell swoop.
Oh and give it the Darkmoon logo, cause that looks better.
It's strange they don't just come out and say what poise actually does, especially when it's an important mechanic that's changed between entries
>>338117879
There is basically no incentive to have way of the blue equipped, so almost nobody does. The few that do get blue pretty fast from desperate people like yourself.
>Stopped leveling at 105
FUCK
I messed up, didn't I? I had so many extra souls laying around after the SoC that I didn't check my soul level.
>>338118530
I need those fucking ears so I can get all the miracles and get my achievement trophy. I'm tired of farming silver knights.
>>338118530
This is why I hide in irithyll with dried finger and way of blue. Helping my blue Bros get fights.
>>338118426
Covs are fucked in general this time around
>Mound Makers just a better version of reds
>two area defence covs in areas that aren't designed for it (and no fun rat-like area)
>all shades of blue being all shades of fucked
You'd think after 4 souls games they'd be able to make decent covenants instead of tacking them on a week before release
