Why is Yhorm's face normal ?
He's a different kind of giant than the ones in ds2
>>338062732
Looks pretty damn hollow to me.
He's a giant in the same way Vendrick and Super Ornstein are giants. Just really powerful with a lot of souls.
He's a greatwood a hybrid between the giants of Ds1 and the Tree giants of Ds2
>>338063149
I can't even call this a headcanon, it's literal fan fiction.
because he's not hollow and has just risen as a lord of cinder by the awakening bell
the giants in ds2 are hollowed
the throne of want is effectively the kiln, so when vendrick stole it, he reduced the giants in ds2 to hollowing, falling to the abyss
to combat this, yhorm, a descendant of the dark souls 2 giants and his people he ruled over attempted to create flame with the abyss, the profaned flame
Karla, who is related to zullie and alva, was the instigator for the horrific events at profane capital, she knows how to use dark pyromancies, and andre explicitly describes the profane coal as having the abyss in it
alva, is looking for the spurned in dark souls 3, karla's ashes describe her as the "spurned child of the abyss", in addition one of her spells, dark edge, describes it being transferred from mother to daughter, therefore she might be zullie and alva's daughter
Karla herself is being locked in a jail cell by the last remaining vestiges of the profane capital, the aristocratic jailers, 8 of them guardian over her, seems fairly excessive.
So why?
Because she fucked it all up
Yhorm himself, is not hollowed because he is a lord of cinder as has recently risen like the player, he is related to the giants in dark souls 2 as the message in his room describes "only a storm can fell a greatwood, the dark souls 2 giants grow trees when they die, the londor pilgrims and pontiff sulayvahn grow tree branches as an effect of the abyss, and the dark souls 2 giants are seeking for the kiln, while hollowing and falling to the abyss therefore die and turn into giant trees
Yhorm's grave in dark souls 3, near iudex gundyr has a giant tree growing out of it.
>>338063259
The second part is yeah but there's a fucking dev message that says "Only a storm can fell a greatwood" so that's his technical race
>>338063123
why doesnt your character become a giant over the course of the games?
>>338062732
Is manus stronger than aldritch?
>>338063783
Those are metaphors, m8. Taking everything literally is a sign of autism, you know.
>>338063898
Gameplay constraints
>>338063898
I think that's because he's cursed
>>338063898
because you are absorbing souls and spending them, those huge fucks are just absorbing souls and never spending them.
also video games
>>338063898
I assume it's something that happens over a long course of time?
>>338062732
Having storm ruler in the boss room was fucking retarded. It should have been hidden somewhere in the area and require exploring.
>>338064274
This
>>338064274
DS3 is just a fanservice victory lap game for the SoulsBorne franchise. They wanted you to use the Stormruler the same way you did in DeS.
>>338064274
I thought it was pretty cool in a lore perspective, he realized he had a blaring weakness and thought that no one should have it but him.
But I have to agree, I actually knew about the Storm Ruler beforehand without knowing where it actually was, explored the entire area and thought it was in a completely different area, gotta say I was a little disappointed when I found out it was right there.
>>338064274
Profaned capital was so small and they had already run out of ideas.
>>338064274
The arena should've just been bigger like Ancient Wyvern's boss fight. Maybe the Storm Ruler could've been enshrined somewhere and not just sitting on the fucking ground at his feet.
>>338064274
Better yet, the fight shouldn't have required the Stormruler at all. Yhorm could have had a normal amount of health, but could still obtain and use a Stormruler under some circumstances and deal greater than average damage.
>>338064547
For a capital, it was very small. Profaned villa at best
>>338064274
To be honest, the profane capital itself seems to be somewhat rushed.
If you actually consider the geography, it's around about the only area in the game that doesn't make sense because of the giant crevice, which at certain angles shows a similar light to irithyll.
Although the area directly above it isn't directly explored by the player, being around about inbetween undead settlement and catacombs of carthus, there isn't a visible gap from atop anor londo to represent this crevice.
A minor inconsistency, but still annoying nonetheless.
Another area that doesn't match is the irithyll dungeon-distant manor view in smouldering lake.
Although somewhat interestingly, smouldering lake actually comes under irithyll, that small gap isn't represented at irithyll-distant manor, it's covered by rocks.
Probably a result of rushed development, but nonetheless, it's somewhat bothersome.
>>338063898
It's proportional to starting height and the main character in all the souls games is a manlet.
He's never going to get huge.
Farming yhorm is fun as fuck.
>get summoned
>he already has the storm ruler ready
>kill giant together in less than a minute
>get summoned
>nigga doesn't have the storm ruler
>charges the giant with a normal weapon
>at least he keeps his attention while i deal actual damage
>>338064734
>>338064547
This is exactly the problem I have with DS3. Fuck. Profaned Capital was so shitty. I was expecting a cool place to explore and a cool boss fight. But no. I get a small area and a shit boss fight with storm ruler again.
>>338065128
You don't actually need the storm ruler to kil him in a timely manner
>>338063898
Soul of Cinder got bigger
>>338063689
>the giants in ds2 are hollowed
So are giants in 3.
They have actual holes under their masks.
>>338063898
You're already a giant. Everything else in the game is just bigger.
>>338064459
>They wanted you to use the Stormruler the same way you did in DeS
What? Is that what that sword was supposed to do? I just shot arrows at the boss till it died.
All of the Dark Souls 2 giants have normal faces inside their trunk holes
>>338065880
I think that might be it honestly. Yhorm having a face is just an Artistic Liberty
>>338065204
My ass
He takes forever without the Storm Ruler
>>338063940
Yes Manus is.
>>338066176
Not him, but isn't Yhorm's head his weak point? I remember I swinged once at his head when he was on his knees and did reasonable damage.
>>338066020
i call bullshit, since you can see a giants face in one of the giant memories in ds2.
If there is a time travel dlc, yhorm in his best mode better be in it.
>>338065204
What else could you use?
Bleed?
>>338064689
You can kill him without it. Blows to his head when he staggers deal a lot of damage.
He's clearly supposed to be the same kind of Giant as the Giant Lord. Otherwise they wouldn't refer to him explicitly as a giant.
That being said, I'm pretty sure the red eyes are a compromise by From. Who wanted to just give him red eyes, but couldn't make it work without giving him a whole face. The proof being that his skin is pure black, as in might as well be actual darkness. Why they wanted to give him red eyes, who knows?
>>338066382
Can you? Which dream? You got a screenshot of it?
>>338066176
>>338066676
You can hit his head during some attacks too if you free-aim, it takes a ton of damage
You can crit him if you hit enough times, he really doesn't take that long especially if you have a summon
>>338067109
im not sure which memory, probably the one where you fight the giant lord
>>338066619
He won't.
>>338066619
You're going to be the person mentioned in the description of his Greatshield.There's going to be a Sif-style moment.
>>338067332
Creepy, I wonder why he has a face but no other giants have one, and also if the Giants are going hollow, why they are still a competent war force, even so far that the Last Giant remembers the BoC and tries to kill him
>>338063898
>>338063123
>I may be but small, but I will die a colossus.
Deepest lore?
>>338063123
I think he already is a giant, by race...
The amount of souls doesn't equal size, maybe by a little bit.
The giants from previous and current games do look different, but there must be more giant species.
>>338065129
>Aldrich, Saint of the Deep
>Expect the Gutter/Black Gultch all over again
>It's a fucking rehash or Anor Londo
>>338063783
Wait. WAIT. Has anyone tried using the Storm Ruler against the Curse-Rotted?
>>338067850
DEEPEST LORE
>>338062732
Different race of giant. Technically speaking even Gwyn is of the giant race.
>>338063149
so like Hagrid
>>338063898
Humans are the descendants of the furtive pygmy who possessed the Dark Soul, players are those who possess parts of the Dark Soul, hence Dark Souls.
Humans are the living thing to most be feared, even just from gameplay reasons. A phantom invader is a human with the Dark Soul, and they are more of a nuisance than bosses.
Humans scariness and power comes from their ability to die and yet still remain undead and seek souls perpetually.
Besides, there's no frame of reference. The PC has yet to become a giant. One day they will become an entity of higher power. Just look at Manus.
>>338067646
I think power has a kind of trickiness to it, where the amount and potency of souls may make you larger, but the true absolute power is in being like the Furtive Pygmy, in other words, small humans are the most frightening monster in the series, at least to other races humans are the most threatening, hence the whole "everything wants to kill the player character." I don't think its just hostility, but fear. Only humans speak to other humans in these games about fear of dying. In other words, the fear of the PC is illusory; you know you will win eventually.
hey now
>>338068934
HOL UP
>>338063689
Plz stop saying bullshit
>>338063689
>the throne of want is effectively the kiln
Wait, so Vendrick, instead of rekindling the first flame, just stole the giants "kiln"?
So each area of the world has its own? This seems sketchy, but certainly interesting.
Can you elaborate?
>>338063783
Stormruler was originally used to crack open Curse-Rotted Greatwood. Then they changed it to Yhorm but never fixed the text
>>338064525
Yeah, this happened to me. I don't summon for boss fights, but I still like to co-op a lot. Fought him once and was doing no damage along with the host and the host died. Figured there must be some kind of gimmick so I put my sign again and got summoned to a guy who was using Storm Ruler.
I thought I "got" it and had to go find the super secret weapon and had done the areas out of order by accident. So I went back to Sullyvahn and on to Anor Londo (Had gone through Profaned capital first, obviously) finding Anor Lond and half expecting to get the giant killer weapon from the Blacksmith giant. Found him dead, finished up Aldrich and Anor Londo, no super weapon in sight. Confused as fuck and go back to Yohrm and get Onion bro cut scene and shit my britches a bit.
Kinda lame the weapon was sitting right in there the whole time, though. Not a huge fan of that gimmick.
>>338063898
Actually, I think your character might be an actual giant in DaS3. Everything in Anor Londo, the elevator and O&S's room seems smaller than in DaS1.
I gave up a long time ago trying to make sense of anything in the souls series. If FROM themselves wants to pay out 10,000 for someone to explain the story TO THEM, that means the story doesn't make a lick of sense to begin with. Also, any shit you guys do pick up on and link together as possible clues to whats going on will be stolen by vaati
>>338062732
I think you mean why weren't DS2's giants normal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Eoe6MQRYo
>>338070662
This is the most believable explanation yet. Better than the memelore about him being a special giant and that is why it does't work on other giants in the game.
Because Dark Souls 2 is not canon
>>338064823
I still don't understand how Anor Londo is right next to Irithyll
>>338070662
This seems like the best answer. Reading that message though, I had to go try it on Curse-Rotted. Now my aim could just have been awful, but I wasn't appearing to do anything to the fucker.
>>338070662
>changed asset location
>modified damage mechanics
>put the message on it's new place
>designed bosses accordingly to the changes
>but never changed the message
Is this bizarro game development?
>>338072047
>make a stat
>make items dedicated to booting the stat
>disable the stat
>do not remove anything related to it
Yes,
>>338072047
Fun fact: The statue of Lothric in the beginning of the game is wielding the Profaned Greatsword.
That's pretty fucking bizarro considering Lothric's cut weapon was a scythe and then replaced by a sword VASTLY different than the PGS.
Fighting Yhorm with Seigward and three phantoms summoned, everyone weilding stormrulers. Holy shit the epicness of that is so timeless.
Never forget Seigward.
>>338066176
I went blind the first time and killed him on my first try with a dark sword, carthus flame and 1 phantom. It took some time but i didn't feel he was hard at all.
I used the storm ruler and killed him with Sieg on my second toon.
Most disappointing boss in my opinion, i have absolutely no idea what he does, what are his moves, etc. He felt like a mini boss.
>>338068934
I, no talk
But happy
Nigga
>>338062732
Miyazaki thinks the design in DaS2 is dumb as fuck
>>338072901
Too bad he's dead
>>338072326
>Stat doesn't work like the first game
>It's "Turned off"
This is what retards actually believe.
>>338062948
Are there different types of giants? Considering the Giant tree in 3 looks exactly like the ones in 2.
>>338072901
>Get his stormruler
>There's no special benefit to twin stormrulers
>Not even a special offhand moveset
>Even though the lore says Yhorm used to wield two of them
Storm Ruler 2.0 is so much wasted hype.
>Only works on one giant
>Charged wind attack does nothing
>Has no use when fighting the King of the Storm
>Moveset is a standard greatsword moveset and weapon art is just the longsword stance
>Off hand moveset is just a block and a regular R1
>Can't even have two wind attacks charged at the same time for more LOUD NOISES
>>338073626
The are tons of autists analyzing this shit nonstop. They did not find a single use for it yet.
>>338073765
Maybe. But that anon is wrong because Yhorm is hinted to be a descendant of the Giant Lord from 2 according to his associated items descriptions.
>>338073856
>can't drop storm rulers so if you picked up like 4 in NG+ it'll be in your box forever
>>338073918
Not to mention there is literal video proof that if a value is changed from 0 to 1, Poise works exactly as it should.
>>338067081
What if his title "Yhorm the Giant" is like "William the Conqueror" or "Alexander the Great"?
Yhorm is clearly supposed to have a face, you could easily put two red dots on a black space without modelling a head, but they also went so far as to model him with a huge human skull for his Cinders of a Lord.
>>338073918
Reddit boys cracked the purpose of poise. The more poise you have, the less i-frames during rolling you'll lose when hit, and your i-frames will recover quicker.
It's like your i-frames are a meter akin to stamina, and poise is the green blossom.
Pretty shit, eh?
>>338062732
>Why is Yhorm's face normal ?
Because he's related to a Demon Souls boss.
>>338074331
>ADP is back and it murdered poise
Jesus fucking Christ
>>338074254
There's some tutorial on how to do it? I'd like poise in my game.
These scholar statues seem to be all the Grand Archives. Is it supposed to be a man covered in wax, or growing roots?
>>338074549
Wax, presumably. As there is absolutely nothing to suggest roots other than people reaching to suggest that its related to Aldia, which again there is nothing to suggest.
>>338074318
Are you implying he isn't a Giant? Because he is.
>>338074768
So was Gwyn and Gwynevere, then.
>>338074531
Can't say on the tutorial, but the effects of turning it on are beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaoGYbK0fo
They better add in the wax head drop from the scholars when they release the DLC. Literally nothing goes well with the scholars robe
>>338074936
What? No, they were always called gods.
>>338074331
Are you talking about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCiVg5HqWLg
This video says that theory was a mistake.
>>338075021
So how do you know that Yhorm the Giant isn't just a title?
God is just a title too. And if Yhorm doesn't have a Giant's face he isn't a giant.
There's even a hole-faced Giant IN DS3 so you can't just turn around and say DS2 giants aren't canon.
>>338074718
This other statue looks like it could be covered in wax and also growing roots, unless it's dripping wax in two directions.
>>338074946
A walking tank. That's how i'd like wearing heavy armor felt like.
>>338075042
No. I'd link to plebbit, but it's flagged as spam.
>>338075252
That one is the one I noticed most in my first LP and I was and still am convinced that that's wax.
There's no reason that those would be pointing that way whether they're roots or wax.
>>338075042
It's talking about roll recovery, not iframes.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SWMHf5r.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>338071449
Irithyll is lower Anor Londo
>>338075250
Because he is killed with the famous "giantslayer" and he's a descendant of a Giant according to the same game.
Having a face doesn't deny the ones who doesn't. You don't know why those giants don't have a face. What if it's their form of hollowing?
>>338075306
It's how it really should be. And that's getting a bunch of poise stacked up, too. Only the heaviest of the heavy are going to be getting results like that or better, so if you're not stacking VIT you're going to be fat rolling, if rolling at all.
>>338074768
No fucking duh, he's literally giant. That's what I'm saying. What if he's not a giant in the sense of any giant race we've seen, but he's not "Yhorm the Giant" like "Yhorm the Human", more like "Yhorm the really fucking tall"? He certainly doesn't match up with any legit giant race we know of, due to his modelled face and skull.
>>338075606
>Because he is killed with the famous "giantslayer" and he's a descendant of a Giant according to the same game
Both of those are references to Demon Souls and aren't referring to the race of giants but A giant.
As in a person who was gigantic.
I honestly think you're just to stuck up on your own head canon to see it.
>>338071449
Did you even play the game?
>>338075796
I'm taking the word of the game for it. You're the one making assumptions.
>>338075960
>I'm taking the word of the game for it.
How can you do that when the game is literally contradicting itself by your logic since THIS >>338062732
is Yhorm's face and it is NOT THE FACE OF A GIANT?
You think they'd purposefully leave that in as what, a mistake?
>>338074331
>Poise is the new adaptability.
Holy shit this makes me madder than it should.
What was your reaction whenyou found the corpse of the giant blacksmith in Anor Londo?
>>338062732
Because time is convoluted.
>>338076098
Like i said, we know nothing about the anusfaces. Someone posted that some giants in 2 even had faces >>338067332
How it can contradict something there's no info about? They just expanded it.
The question is not why Yhorm have a face. It's why some Giants didn't had one.
I thought the giants in 2 were just golems created by nashandra so when she found a king she'd already have an enemy for him to fight. I know it's not explicitly stated, but it's heavily implied since the first thing she did when she met vendrick was tell him about the giants and the riches they hold. It's just another part of the reason vendrick gave up. Everything he did was a lie.
>>338075475
I think that the following might have happened:
>Gwnyevere literally took anor londo with her to lothric to marry oceiros
>took her weird little brother along for the ride
>some shit went down
>rosaria is somehow related to gwynevere through her soul giving bountiful sunlight and leonhard running off with her soul to gwynevere's chamber in anor londo
>the archdeacon royce notably worships rosaria, so there might be an implicit connection between gwynevere and the religion of the deep
>saint aldrich was described as a saint before he became a weirdo
>maybe he was a member of gwynevere's church
>another possibility then is that he's literally smough, a cannibal as well, but that's far too reaching
I don't think that anor londo is in the same place it was as dark souls, I think that rather as the opening cutscene states "the transitory lands of the lords of cinders converge" which means shit has been pulled together unnaturally
>>338076259
popped a feelie and moved on
I thought butthole giants in DaS2 were just a necessary last minute solution cause the giants originally had dangerously cheesy Disney level faces which clashed with the overall tone of the game?
From what I heard recently, DaS2 had suffered from massive mismanaged and even changed directors mid-development who salvaged the game from becoming something even worse than it ended up being. Hence the stark contrasts between the base game and the DLCs. Cause the DLCs were all made by the team that took over and did the salvaging.
>>338076259
Happy for the coal he left there.
>>338076563
Correct, they looked like shit out of World of Warcraft
How can braille tomes exist in Dark Souls if it's named after the guy Louis Braille? Did he exist in the souls universe? They should've just come up with a different name for the tomes desu
>>338076259
>Mng. Goodbye.
>Forge. I could!
>Strong. I was!
This place was one of the most unnerving areas I've seen in a game for a while. Worse than the abyss in the first game.
Are there other games that take you to the starting/hub area but in a darker and more hostile form?
>>338076854
Probably some translation bullshit
>>338076793
forgot the pic
>>338076524
>Princess (Male)
I like you.
>>338076973
Bloodborne, but not-hostile, just mundane compared to the fantastical Hunter's Dream.
>>338076259
Shiny, shiny.
Give me that.
The ds2 giants aren't canon
>>338077429
There's one of them in DS3 so, yes they are.
Here's an idea:
Getting a hole in their face is what happens to giants whenthey become hollow.
>>338077696
But anon!!!
Hollowing only happens to HUMANS!!!
ONLY HUMANS CAN HOLLOW! THE GAME SAYS SO!!!
WWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
>>338077546
it's just a reference like patches from DeS to DaS :^)
>>338077831
Gwyn went hollow.
>>338077935
Yes he did.
>>338077935
He was just crazy and consumed after being fuel for the flame for so many years
>>338076259
You good friend.
I very sad.
>>338078076
No, he hollowed.
He looks like a hollow and he acts like a hollow and hollows are used to fuel bonfires which is essentially what linking the first flame is.
>>338076854
Well it's the same reason the game is in a real language instead of some made up one. Convenience for the player.
>>338076259
[How is this possible?]
>>338063898
Engine limitations
>>338077935
gwyn was a hollow that found a lord soul. eventually his lord soul faded away, causing him to hollow.
the dark soul (humanity) works in the same way, it just doesnt take as long to diminish in power and return hollows to their normal state
>>338076995
Yep, Japanese has a much more generic term for Braille.
>>338079316
It really doesn't matter either way.
Complaining about the name is absurd. What would you want them to have done?
Make up a different name for it and waste time explaining that its the same thing as Braille?
>>338063783
The dark souls fanbase, ladies and gentlemen.
>>338079453
could have used "book for the blind" instead and show the bumpy braille text in the icons
>>338079548
I blame Vaati and ENB.
Dark Souls never had complicated lore. Just look at enemies and read item descriptions and everything comes together.
Then these cuntfaces came along, realized how utterly buttfuckingly retared videogame players are and monetized lore speculation.
Have you seen some of the shit in the past? Some cuntfart on Youtube actually started analyzing what he thought was a mural in the lost sinner's boss room. As if it was showing anything of value.It was the edge where the wallpattern repeated.
>>338079453
>Waste time explaining
They could seriously just add a line of text into the tome descriptions. I mean giving books to a fucking blind girl is pretty obvious that she isn't going to be reading them. I didn't make a big deal of it, just something kinda funny I noticed when I picked up a tome for the first time.
>>338077935
>>338078291
>>338078553
Gwyn wasn't hollow, he was the first Soul of Cinder.
>>338079874
Blame Vaati but don't blame ENB.
Epic did his videos because he loved the games. It still shows in how he refused to get DS3 early because he wanted a genuine experience with it. Vaati however has a history of stealing content from others, denying it, refusing to apologize, doesn't see himself as a part of the community and only makes his videos for the money.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/qdm9dbd72y8ddhc/VaatiVidya_Patreon-supported_plagiarist_%28HD%29.mp4
>>338076259
Tears ahead
>>338076563
Is that why the reveal trailer looked like some dumb cartoony Dragon Age shit?Fuck off those masks didn't fit Dark Souls at all and the reworked ones are much better.
>>338080362
The DS2 "trailer" was proof of concept.
>>338079874
ENB was just having fun.
Vaati was the one who ruined absolutely everything.
>>338073984
He's not.
>>338079874
>spoiler
Please link it.
>>338080362
>Is that why the reveal trailer looked like some dumb cartoony Dragon Age shit?
Yes, partialls. The reveal trailer also had the original giant design as seen here >>338076998
But there other reason it looked like dragon age was... they hired a studio to do the CGI cinematic, the same studio that did the Dragon Age trailer cinematics.
>>338080362
>He didn't want the original manikin masks specifically for Vega cosplay builds.
>>338071449
Lothric is a magical land where things converge.
because From can't make a realistic world, they just mishmash different things together and say "yep this linear path of locations with the occasional offshoot is definitely realistic"
just assume that Anor Londo is a magical spaceship that landed in Irithyll
>>338080831
I'm sorry anon, but I don't recall Fromsoft ever claiming any of there games are meant to be "realistic".
In fact, I was almost certain they specifically meant for their games to be fantasy.
>>338080805
Oh fuck.
>>338074331
>wearing heavier armor makes your roll better
Am I understanding this properly? What sort of ass backwards system is that.
>>338080831
Realistic world means you have big fields of nothingness, paths leading to points of no interests and locations not relevant at all and generally worlds that are boring to trespass.
Realism is not the non plus ultra. A world that's fun to move around in and that is reasonably connected is though.
I don't want another boring piece of shit like Skyrim. I want more Lordran.
>>338081063
A false idea.
>>338081137
>>338080998
I think you two autists are taking the word "realistic" too literally. I mean realistic as a dark fantasy game.
Dark Souls 1 was a dark fantasy game, and to make an effective dark fantasy world, it can help to make a lot of the locations seem like real places that you could go to. DS1 did this quite well as a lot of the locations within the game are based on real life structures.
One issue with 2's world is that it was thrown together from scraps and it didn't work out too well and seemed like a high fantasy game
and 3 does a very similar thing
granted it makes more sense than 2's world, but it's still this weird mishmash of styles and areas that would make much sense if it was in any other dark fantasy game
>>338081839
that wouldn't make much sense**
>>338081839
DS2's world was perfectly fine.
I think you take more offense with the fact that unlike DS1 and DS3, DS2 had a wider range of environments / atmospheres.
Shrine of Armana with its blue coloring and the singing from the Demon of Song, Drangleic Castle with its quiet halls and dark raining sky, the grey foggy dreams of the Giants, the over grown ruins of the Forest of Lost Giants. It all fits fine for a dark fantasy like Dark Souls.
>>338082225
I was referring to places like no-man's wharf which feels like it should have been before heide's and lost bastille, not in between them with various spatial oddities going on.
And how the lava castle is directly above earthen peak.
But I suppose the ones you mentioned are actually good examples of grounded dark fantasy areas.
>>338082225
My big problem with DS2 was how it didn't make any sense geometrically, with all these areas overlapping each other if you map out everything.
>>338067457
Well, I'm a little shaky on the distinction between undead and hollows (since the player character goes hollow in the games, right?), so presumably we can compare them to the Abyss Watchers if my presumption is correct
>>338082225
You made me just realize how bland Dark Souls 3's world actually is. Sure the connections between the areas are cool, but each place is just a mix of orange, blue, and grey. Especially after the later half of the game after the dark sun rises.
It's like they used Road of Sacrifice for all the quotas involving areas that weren't castle towns or cathedrals. Damn I miss the colors that DaS2 had.
Is SotFS worth it?
>>338082937
I think the idea was that, unlike DaS where everything was relatively close to each other and happening in one small area, 2 was supposed to take place over the entire continent that Drangleic was situated on. It's why that tunnel to Drangleic Castle is only 100 meters/yards long, but you can see it vaguely in the distance right before you go in. Everything doesn't geographically make sense like in the first game because they were trying to go for a much grander scale than Dark Souls did, so instead they opted not to worry about it. Though nothing can really excuse Iron Keep playing neighbor to Nimbus Land, but it's something that I really can't say particularly bothers me. Though it does make it kind of annoying to try and gauge where you are without running back to the giant map in the Majula house basement every time you kill a boss.
>>338062732
because DS2 wasnt cannon
>>338083391
>Is SotFS worth it?
Its definitely harder than vanilla, but I'd definitely recommend it if you feel like checking out DS2 again.
I only play on console and Scholar for PS4 has an amazing framerate.
And DS3 will probably get better with DLC like DS2 did.
>>338081839
It's why I said, a world that's fun to move around in as is reasonably connected is what you want.
Lordran from DaS1 did this best. It's by no means a particularly realistic world but it was cohesive. Cohesive meaning you didn't require warping to go to most places. You could traverse nearly all of it by foot. It's coherent. Tangible if you will. Interconnectivity is not requires but a super huge plus.
And it's exciting to move around it because it offered a lot of varied locations and you had no idea where you might end up next (on your first playthrough naturally).
You see these two points are what makes a good world.
And yes, DaS2 was very weak with that. As you said it felt put together without much though. The old sky-volcano debate comes to mind.
>>338083391
If you already have DS2 with all dlc, then nope.
And remember that areas in 2 aren't exactly well connected, rubble at shrine of winter etc.
>>338083391
>Damn I miss the colors that DaS2 had.
I disliked how ugly DaS2 was. Not necessarily graphically, but the game looked rough and washed out and gritty in the worst sense.
>>338064904
What do you mean starting height?
Your height never changes.
>>338073765
I think there are two different races of giants. The ones in 1 are like legit godly giants, the ones in 2 are tree-giants and came about as the world progressively got more fucked.
You can see it a lot in 3, things are reverting to how they were before the first flame. Hollows growing into trees, the pilgrims erupting into the butterflies which look like skeletal frames of dragons or something, some dark-infested beings bursting out into snakes which could maybe be the precursors to new primordial serpents. everything is falling apart in preparation of starting again.
Anyone else really annoyed by the camera in this game?
Its like the camera sits too close to your character and most of the time all you see is a giant monster ass when you're moving about so you can't see shit.
>>338082937
This.
There's so many bits in 2 which don't make sense and it's really immersion breaking.
The way that Forest of the fallen giants seems to literally be under majula
The way that drangleic castle changes angular position in the skybox when you go through a ten feet tunnel
The way that dragon aerie/shrine's huge pillars aren't seen anywhere
The way that the route to no man's wharf goes underneath and to the right of heide's tower despite being in a cave that go's out to see
The way that huntsman's copse is in literally tiny non existant gap between the cliffs to the right of majula and majula
Somehwhat famously, the way that earthen peek and iron keep "connect".
The way that things betwixt makes literally no sense at all
The unreliable skyboxes
>>338074946
>beautiful
Yeah I sure like the worst mechanic of DS1 that ruined the PvP and made heavy weapons shit
>>338062732
LISTEN
Giants are like Ents. They're tree-creatures, and as they get older, they get more and more and more tree-ish. They start off looking pretty god damn human, but as they age, they grow taller, stiffer. Their skin hardens into Greatwood, and their heads are engulfed by the growing tree trunk of their torso -- eventually becoming little more than a shallow hole in their heads. Death completes the transformation, and they remain forever as Giant Trees.
Yhorm, and the giants from ToTG, were young giants. The giants in DaS2 were old as fuck.
Search your feelings, /v/, you know this to be true.
>>338084473
The distances between areas aren't accurate.
Proof is as simple as looking out into the sea in Majula where you can see Heide's Tower (you can also see the majula monument from Heide's) and the castle wall where you fight The Pursuer.
They could have added a 5 second cutscene where your character walks down a long hallway or forest path to illustrate that there's a long stretch between the areas but didnt bother.
>>338084880
No the giants in DaS2 were designs made up last minute cause the original ideas they had were dumb looking cartoon giants
>>338083954
The way the hollows turn into trees on the High Wall leads me to believe that they are the origin of the Butterflies, not the pilgrims that Yoel was a part of.
>>338085107
designs that are canon
>>338084473
You forgot
>Heide's Tower of Flame
>Below you the ocean's surface
>Go down to No-Man's Wharf, clearly deep below ocean's surface
>Now there's another ocean's surface
Reminder
>>338085236
por que no las dos?
>>338085236
No they both are. The tree hollows have started to "grow out", the pilgrims not yet.
Cause the pilgrims chained these heavy stone shells to themselves.
Take a closer look at Yoel some time. You can see that those nervous-system looking branch wings start emerging from beneath his stone plate.
>>338085337
No habla espanol, m8.
>>338085398
I've never looked closely at Yoel before, so I'll try that.
>>338076259
Literally
>>338079874
Oh man you're gonna love this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LueVmefY_Kg
LOOK AT THIS SHIT
ITS SO FUCKING STUPID
I'M ALMOST SPEECHLESS
>>338085651
>Thirteen minutes
That alone shows me the guy just liked to hear himself talk.
>>338062732
What's with him and Siegward? Literally how could they even know each other?
What was the Mensis Ritual?
What, exactly, were they trying to do?
>>338085236
>The Pilgrims of Londor travel a long distance to get as close to Lothric as possible, and die right at the foot of the High Wall.
>The Pilgrim Butterflies seem to spawn into existence just beyond the High Wall
I get that details are vague, but the two Pilgrims are too similar to believe they aren't connected.
>>338085916
Trying to make an Old One out of people.
>>338085871
Siegward is Unkindled, he was revived by the bell. Originally, he lived in Yhorm's time.
>>338062732
Because they come up with a broad generic name for things, but it doesn't mean that everything under that name fits into the same species. The people in Drangleic probably only ever encountered that one kind of giant, so they called them "Giants". Meanwhile, in Lordran/Lothric, they mostly encountered another kind of giant so they just called them "Giants."
Like how the Bed of Chaos is described to be the mother of all demons, but then you have things like the Bat-wing Demons, the Covetous Demon, the Smelter Demon, Demon of Song, etc. who don't fit into this definition. Chaos Flame demons are just one kind of creature, but they just give them the generic title of "demons."
>>338073984
If anything he's the son of Vendrick not the giant lord
>>338062732
Not actually a giant. He's just a big guy.
So, did Vendrick invade Lordran when he invaded the "land of giants" in the far north?
>>338085920
Weren't the High Wall hollows worshipping dragon corpses? Perhaps if they pray hard enough they turn into the Butterflies.
>>338085651
>philosophy of x
If you're gonna write something relating to philosophy and it it's not in text format it's bound to be shit.
I bet the youtube creator of that vid hasnt read a single philosophy book in his life. These types of videos are always stupid and point out obvious stupid "intellectual" shit.
Spare me the 13 minutes, what does he say?
>>338076259
Give me one, SINGLE, reason why I shouldn't link the flame in the end of DaS3. Go ahead, I'll waityou can't
>>338086523
Basically your being birthed in a new world, and giant father like figures holding phallus-like weapons are there to stop you from re-entering your mothers womb by castrating you. All the vagina like doors are guarded by these Alpha father males and the women like Quelana have vaginas with teeth because entering the womb is suppose to appear taboo.
>>338086782
The world has gone to complete shit. Might as well let it end or take over and try to change it.
>>338086897
>literary analysis focusing on sex metaphors
how to know someone's a complete fucking idiot 101
>lookie me ma! it looks like a dick! aren't I smart????
>>338085236
>>338085541
Pilgrims are Hollows. You overhtink this so much that you end up missing the obvious.
>>338087069
it's only going to shit because the Flame is fading. Link it,and your problems are solved.
>>338086107
I guess that actually makes sense
>>338076259
literally who?
>>338063002
The question was why he doesn't have the knothole face all the other tree-giants had. They go out of the way to show that there are still tree giants in the game so it's definitely an oddity.
>>338076259
not as strong as when handing the coal into Andre.
>>338085651
what is this weird incest shit fantasty.
>>338087220
Ach, whatever. The butterflies are creepy, shit's all fucked up, 'nough said.
>>338086782
Go ahead, makes no difference. Look at the sky and look how punny the Linking is in comparison to the first. Flame is dead buddy.
>>338087516
Ask Vaati
>>338086897
The literal fuck does that have to do with philosophy? Holy fucking shit. That's not philosophy at all.
I'm pretty fucking mad
>>338087590
can't fight entropy, Jack
Usurpation is the best ending, you literally cannot disagree with this
>>338088075
Ursurpation = become Vendrick
Linking = become Gwyn
Extinguish = roll back to DS1 intro
The cycle cannot be broken.
>>338086782
Make Londor whole.Unlike the Firekeeper endings the sun hasn't gone completely out, but takes on a stark white glow instead, looks sick as shit for screencap purposes.
>Soul of the Giant Lord, who once conquered Drangleic.
>yhorm:
>reclusive lord of the Profaned Capital". Yhorm is the descendant of an ancient conqueror
>looks like the giant lord
>giants in dark souls 2:
>no face
>have tree shit growing out of them
>yhorm
>coffin implied to be the one near iudex/champ
>huge tree growing out of it
>near an area with another giant tree, the only one in the game
>profane capital
>has laddersmith gilligan there
>he's dead
>gilligan who was known for "being on the run" but why?
>irithlyll dungeon also hosts an invasion with alva, seeker of the spurned, and karla, spurned child of the abyss, implied to be related to alva and zullie, the profane flame with the jailers of profane capital guarding over them
>a message in yhorms room describes "only a storm can fell a greatwood"
>"greatwood"
>one of the mimics in profane capital has the greatshield of glory, crafted for syan, vendricks knight, one of the first to fall to the GIANTS
>Pontiff Sulayvahn discovered the profane capital and the profane flame, and has drang mercenaries with him, as well as pictures of the kiln and nashandra
COINCIDENCE?
What's the meaning of the massive dark sign in the sky at the end?
Why are you offering the world's fire to it in one of the endings?
>>338076259
>>338088702
Where can Gilligan be found?
>>338088529
>the age of dark is the age of ancients
does this look anything even remotely like the opening cutscene of DaS1 to you?
>>338088817
The darksign has a correlation with hollowing/flames going
Notably, the pilgrims of londor come from a literal city of hollows in the abyss
It seems that the darksign sun is supposed to represent the world reaching "peak hollowing"
But I imagine there's probably a better reasoning for it that will never be told
>>338089023
Yes, it even says the world is dark and ruled by dragons.
>>338088817
the Darksign is an indicator that the Dark has overwhelmed the influence of light. It appears on the bodies of Undead, branding them, when the dark of their Humanity overwhelms the influence of Death (a construction of the age of fire, and of light) in them.
the flame is about to fade, and Darkness is snuffing out the very sun itself.
>>338062732
Because The Giant is a title, it was never implied that he was a member of the Giant race.
Also nanomachines.
>>338089004
profane capital
he's dead though
What I imagine happened, is that pontiff sulayvahn's research team hired out gilligan to put ladders everywhere.
Maybe the pontiff himself is from drangleic or something, who knows.
>>338089004
He's the dead body at the very start of the profound cap by the bonfire where you pick up the lay down gesture.
>>338089271
>>338089163
It said the world of grey faggot that's not grey
>>338089271
>more sully head canon
kys
>>338089163
get your eyes checked.
the age of ancients was grey, it was neither light or dark -- it existed before the First Flame brought BOTH concepts into being, simultaneously
>>338089378
>>338089287
>>338089271
That's neat. Can't wait to see what FaagiVidya will pull out of his ass with this one.
>>338076259
>>338088563
yeah, why DOES the sun do that in the Usurpation end?
>>338089805
Something along the lines of this faggot >>338089271 a lot of people seem to be pushing sully to be one of the biggest bads in the game witch is fucking retarded
>>338089805
Profaned Capital was in drangleic before the geography got all topsy-turvy, and it ended up underneath Irithyll. The world transplanted the tundra of Eleum Loyce elsewhere
>>338083749
Everyone knows the map was a cluster fuck of random areas. I just feel like DaS2 had a better variety in the actual levels. Each area had a color palette and unique geography to itself, where as DaS3 is just a collection of cathedrals and throne rooms.
Maybe I missed them all, but there wasn't a single area in 3 which wowed me like Ash Lake, the flight to New Londo, Aerie Peak, or the bridge to Dragleic Castle did.
>>338063689
you have literally no proof any of this is real. This is pure head cannon.
Why are there 3 Firelink Shrines?
>>338086782
Natural progression of the world. Keep linking the flame buddy, shit's just not gonna work one day.
>>338090023
>Walking into smouldering lake for the first
>it's just a ash fake on fire with all the water almost evapatoraed
>To top it off they also threw the demon ruin sin there
For the love god really from. Ds3 is a fun and good game but the shit they got away with and people will defend is fucking sickening.
>>338090145
hasn't NOT worked so far famiglia
>>338089919
>literally transforms his knights into beasts
>is the reason there are scattered outrider knights, the dancer and vordt in lothric
>takes over irithyll and anor londo when gwyndolin is sickly
>is obviously a high part of gwnydolins sect as his greatsword of judgement implies a relationship with the moon, hiding sully's true intentions as a sorceror
>literally fed gwyndolin to aldrich
>has a painting of nashandra in one of his luxury houses
>not the big bad
