>finally get all the evidence I need to break the Psyche-Lock
>character leaves the area so now I have to do other shit before I'm allowed to break it
I'm finally playing Justice for All
This game's hard as tits compared to the first one
>mfw the healthbar carries over between days of the trial and during Psyche-Lock sequences
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>a significant amount of the trial is focused on something that's either already obvious or completely pointless to the overall case
>>338046835
That's every single trial in the series. Focusing on the case is asking for a guilty verdict.
>>338046182
Justice for All is probably the best game in the series with the best last case
Why is Maya so best and why does she make the best coupling with Nick?
>>338047276
She's pretty much his only friend in the first 3 games, everyone else is an asshole to him unless they really need his help
>>338046973
Best last case, maybe. But best overall? Hell no. It contains Turnabout Big Top, which is considered by the vast majority of players to be the worst case in the entire series. In addition, the game's first case is the worst first case in the series. The 2nd case is average. Only having a stellar final case is nowhere near enough to make the game the best overall game in the series.
>It's a "Prosecutor called your client so they're giving testimony about why he's innocent, and somehow it's your job to cross-examine them anyway, which serves no point except to do the prosecution's job for them and help prove why they might be guilty" testimony.
that shit always made me rage hard.
>>338048279
Klavier LOVED doing this shit didn't he
>>338048116
It had best prosecutor, and most of T&T was shit because it focused too much on the Fey family, it was so bad that it was the only one not greenlit for an anime
>>338048417
I'm currently on Investigations in my replay of the series and am doing those before AJ, so I forget. But I know all Edgeworth, Fraziska, and Godot all did it at least once, though Godot did it a lot. Godot actually hardly does anything in his game really - most of his prosecuting is just bluffing and dodging questions - even the Judge doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of his skills.
>>338048572
Klavier did this with EVERY single one of your defendants if I remember right
>>338048429
>Best prosecutor
>Franziska
Yeah, we seem to have completely different tastes/opinions here friend. I absolutely hated Franziska. Also, T&T's Fey story was top-notch, and was greatly done.
>it was so bad that it was the only one not greenlit for an anime
Source? Are you sure that's not just because they aren't sure yet if the aniem overall will do well enough to keep making eps once they're that far? Have they greenlit making animu on cases from AJ or other later games instead? Because otherwise your argument that it's because "T&T was shit" doesn't hold water, especially since, as said, the general consensus among fans is that T&T is the best game of the original trilogy, and possibly best overall.
>>338048883
why would they animate the first two and not the 3rd one? The only good answer is that they acknowledge it's shit, considering What Morgan says at the end of 2-2 doesn't make sense without it. They're probably gonna cut that part at the end of 2-2 out and forget T&T existed
>>338049972
Again, where's your source that they're not animating the 3rd game? All I've heard is that they're not animating Rise from the Ashes, the extra case for the first game.
>Need to talk to defendant
>THEY ARE BEING QUESTIONED
>>338046182
Doesn't removing the locks restore your health?
>>338049972
They've said that they're saving the third game for a sequel series. They only got greenlit for a certain amount of episodes originally, and they could only fit enough cases from the first 2 games into that, or else if they tried to shove all 3 games into their allotted episode-count, it'd be way too condensed. This is also why they decided not to animate Rise from the Ashes.
You're one of the very few people who thinks T&T is shit, deal with it. JFA is the worst game in the series.
>>338048659
To be fair
Klavier warned Apollo that talking with Lamiror would be pointless
But that fucker waited until the last minute to go
>Lol she's the one whose blind
>>338050632
Even if you think JFA is worse than T&T, JFA isn't the worse, DD is
>>338048116
Turnabout Big Top gets more hate than it deserves. Most of the circus characters are fine, except for the ventriloquist. The killer's motive and plan and how his plan went wrong aren't bad no matter how you look at them. The part where you have to reveal where the bust is hidden was bullshit, though.
>>338050632
>T&T is shit, deal with it. JFA is the worst game in the series.
I'm not him but why do you think T&T is best and JFA is bad?
>>338049972
>The only good answer is that they acknowledge the 3rd game as shit.
Wrong again, bucko. Again, everyone generally agrees the 3rd game is the best. And there IS another good answer, which is the actual answer - They got greenlit for only 24 episodes, and that's not enough time to fit 3 games worth it. So they're hoping their adaptations of the first 2 games will do well enough that they can then do a sequel series, which would include the 3rd game - possibly entirely devoted to the 3rd game since it deserves a full 24-episodes to cover everything that goes on it that.
So really, the answer is the opposite of what you suggest. It's not because it's shit, but because the third game is the best one, and deserves an entire season to itself, while the first 2 games get crammed into sharing one season together.
>>338050930
He's going to mention Bigtop and pretend having the entire game circle jerk Maya's family being good
>>338046182
>be French
>be young
>not very good with english
>play Justice for All
>the French version is horrendously translated and full of typos
To this day, I'm sad my experience of JFA was butchered by some retarded illiterate translator.
>>338050891
>The killer's motive and plan and how his plan went wrong aren't bad no matter how you look at them
Except for the fact that Acro acknowledges the fact that Bat's coma was just an accident but still tried to kill Regina just because she didn't know any better, he hated the fact that Regina didn't know what she did wrong more than what she actually did
>>338051131
The English version was riddled with typos as well.
>>338046182
(You)
>>338050930
I've already explained why I think JFA is, if not bad, at least the weakest of the original trilogy - it has the weakest opening case, an average 2nd case, a terrible third case (being penalized just for pressing Moe is bullshit), and then tries to make up for it with a stellar final case. The last case is oen of the best individual cases in the series, but it's not enough to redeem the rest of the game.
T&T is the best in the OT IMO because it does much better at the overall story. The first, fourth, and fifth cases all weave a compelling story together, Dahlia is a great villain, Godot is a decent character, and the 2 filler cases (Stolen and Recipe) are both pretty entertaining. I especially liked Stolen Turnabout's first half for actually not being about a murder for once.
tl;dr: JFA only has one very strong case and the rest are either very weak or average at best, while T&T has a much stronger overall story with 3 linked cases, and even its filler cases are average at worst.
Should I buy the trilogy collection on my 3ds
>>338050891
The clown is hated not because of his personality, but because he's one of only like 2 cases in the entire series where you can be penalized for pressing. The other one is Furio Tigre in T&T, but he's a lot easier to figure out what you're supposed to do with.
>>338051541
Do it before someone spoils you that Matt Engarde is guilty.
>>338051503
>Godot is a decent character
>irrationally hates Phoenix for not stopping Mia's death when there was no way he could possibly know it was going to happen
>>338051686
>hating a character for a temporary spike in difficulty
Fucking casuals.
>>338050839
Fair enough, I'll agree with that. Also I'll admit I have unpopular opinions on this series anyway as well - I like Apollo Justice a LOT more than most people in the fanbase to, at least, and Klavier is my favorite prosecutor.
I'm currently playing Investigations for the first tmie though, and overall I find this game stronger/better than anything from the "main" series. Is the sequel even better?
>>338051741
>schemes a plot to play hero and save Maya
>lets "Iris" testify against Maya and make her a prime suspect
The only time Godot was a good attorney was when he was still Diego Armando.
Apollo is objectively the Poochie of Ace Attorney.
>>338051741
>irrationally hates Phoenix for not stopping Mia's death when there was no way he could possibly know it was going to happen
>Even flat out SAYS he's being irrational in his hatred but couldn't get over it.
>>338051541
Be careful
Do not let anyone spoil you with the info that Maya was pregnant with Phoenix kid in 3-5 and she dropped it because Godot punched her in the stomach...
>>338052185
Just because he acknowledges it doesn't make it better
>>338052474
I was agreeing with you actually. I guess it didn't come off like that.
>>338048417
To be fair to him, he seems more interested in the truth than the verdict.
>post yfw ...I can prove it
>>338053129
>>338053235
>>338053129
>>338053235
>>338053325Time to fix the gayness in the AA fanbase.
>>338051741
I like him for his irrationality. Not everyone should be rational, and I liked the downfall of someone who, in flashbacks, was pretty competent, and who outwardly shows as cool and collected, getting so fucked by what happened to him that it pretty much fucks up his mind and gets him so irrational that he hatches this retard plan to be the hero, all while maintaing himself as this cool hero type. He's completely flawed and I like it. I enjoy it more than "LOL WHIP EVERYONE, ACT LIKE A TOTAL BITCH AND GET AWAY WITH IT WITH ZERO REPERCUSSIONS FOR NO REASON" Von Karma.
>>338050839
>>338051915
That's not AJ
>>338044373
>know that this fucking ring belongs to the ventriloquist
>have to jump through so many hoops just to get him to acknowledge it
Fuck Trilo. Fuck Ben.
IGIARI!
>>338054272
>>338050839
why can't people just accept that there isn't going to be a consensus on this on here already
I mean there's no actual discussion left to be had about it, it's been the go-to AA circlejerk topic for the past few years now
>>338048429
>It had best prosecutor
>le angry girl with a whip
Choose one. Holy hell, Fraziska was such a one-trick pony as a courtroom opponent: so much calling Phoenix stupid and whipping everyone, so little any competence.
She got better as a supporting character later, but in JFA she is just shit.
>>338055918
Still hoping the marriage hinted at in the AA6 DLC case is Gumshoe x Maggey.
>>338055995
The whole M thing might just be a bait.
It will beEdge xFran
>>338055928
The most competent actual prosecutor is Edgeworth by far, MAYBE Blackquill but I forget how he was since DD was kind of forgettable.
Klavier was my favorite though just because he was such a breath air in being a prosecutor who's actually an all-around good person, and the only prosecutor in the series to be 100% clean and caring about the truth (Edgeworth became this eventually, but he still had some shady shit and tactics in the first game).
I really like AJ more than most mostly because I really appreciated Klavier and Kristoph Gavin I guess. I will concede the third case was shit though. but I heavily enjoyed the first and final cases though.
>>338056096
That seems even less likely than Phoenix & Maya, honestly. Not just because the two don't have that sorta relationship but they're not going to risk pissing off the fujofags by marrying Edgeworth off to someone.
It probably is a big dumb red herring of some sort though, yeah.
>>338056206
>who's actually an all-around good person
He isn't a good person. He knew full well how strange it was that Kristoph knew about the forged evidence beforehand and did nothing about it. He was plenty condescending to Apollo in court not completely unlike how Edgeworth used to be early on too.
>>338056096
Franziska fits into the M thing in her Japanese name, doesn't she? The clues we have are
>first or last name of at least one of the people getting married starts with M (in Japanese at least)
>appeared in Investigations in addition to Ace Attorney
So our potential people are, as far as I know:
-Edgeworth (Mitsurugi)
-Franziska (Mei)
-Maggey (Mako)
-Larry (Masashi)
Edgeworth and Larry seem to have been rueld out by that trailer, which means it's either Franziska or Maggey getting married, I'd say.
BUTZ
>>338051503
Also JFA has easily the worst OST, Announcing the Truth as the only exception.
>>338056592
>Franziska
Can Fran get even married to someone else, other than Edge?
For example for Maya, it is either Phoenix or no one else.
>>338056206
>MAYBE Blackquill but I forget how he was since DD was kind of forgettable
That samurai motif was a bit silly, but otherwise he actually felt quite sneaky and pressuring opponent. Too bad that the game was overall too easy, as he had potential to be one of the best courtroom opponents out there.
>>338057209
That's why I'm holding out hope that it has to be Maggey/Gumshoe.
>>338057240
He's on promotional art for 6, so the supposedly harder sequel may rectify this.
>>338056206
Edgeworth was better by the end of AA1 than Klavier was all throughout AJ though
He's hardly even "nice", he's barely anything at all. Surprisngly uncharismatic for a supposed rock god, had almost no reaction to all the shit going on with his brother (which he inadvertantly got mixed up in himself even), writes off everything Apollo says in court as something he knew already and didn't mention it before for no real reason (and the court always agrees with him?) which not only makes the player character feel irrelevant during court trials but frankly it's just a really fucking weird for someone who's supposed to "care about the truth" to even do
I mean, we already know what a co-operative prosecutor is like through Edgeworth's later appearances in the trilogy. Not only did Klavier not do anything all that unique, what they seemingly tried to do with his character wasn't even done all that well to begin with
>>338057209
>other than Edge
I could imagine her with Shi-Long Lang.
>>338056206
Imo AJ was probsbly the most boring game in the series, but it has the best music in the series. It was just the peak of still being bit on the electronic side rather than DDs orcestra type.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cofz_YxBXa0
>>338057572
This. Also, he's another "prodigy". How many of those exist anyway? Law school must be easy as shit in AA.
>>338057209Phoenix.I'm serious they should fuck.
>>338057679
AJ has 4-5 GOAT tracks, the rest I personally don't care much for
AJ's Investigation - Core is fantastic
>>338044373
Is real life court anything like AA?
>>338056468
>>338057572
Fair enough. I don't remember it well enough I guess. I'm currently on my replay through the entire series (finished the OT and am curerntly replaying the Investigations games before moving on to AJ), and I haven't played AJ since my first playthrough of it, so I may be misremembering things but I remember my first impressions of Klavier were good. I guess we'll see if things change in my replay of it. I just remember really liking Klavier, as well as liking Kristoph as a villain.
>>338057756
While it is not entirely impossible, it is even less likely than Edge x Fran.
>>338057887
no
>>338057887
No. Well, maybe Japanese court, possibly. But US court is nothing like that, especially because Ace Attorney seems to run on a "guilty until proven innocent" system where the burden of proof is on the Defense. Most modern legal systems, especially the US, run on an "innocent until proven guilty" system where the burden of proof is on the Prosecution.
>>338057887
No. Real court is boring.
Source: I worked at a law office for a bit.
>>338057903
It is just my opinion, there are people out there who seem to like Klavier. I personally can't see why but whatever
I did think that Kristoph was a pretty cool villain though
>>338057887
Absolutely not.
>>338058006
>>338058009
Man, why does real life law always have to be boring as shit? They don't even solve mysteries in there. Real life murders are also fucking boring.
>>338057240
I like how he felt like the few prosecutors out to actually capture the guilty parties, not the guilty verdicts.
He rarely suffered from first suspect tunnel vision, and was open to accepting alternate scenarios from what was first proposed. Plus, he seemed to hate lying witnesses more for lying on the stand than tarnishing his case, and despite his sneaky psychology tactics, he was a very fair opponent
>>338057887
I wish, but the truth is that lawyers spend most of their time doing paperwork instead of acting like some sort of detectives. The only part that actually relies on law in the entire series is the end of 1-5, where you use evidence law as a counterpoint against the villain.
>>338057887
These games have you play detective 90% of the time for a reason, real life court is mind-numbingly boring
I'm saying this as someone who worked as a court room clerk for a while, I'm pretty sure it's "considering suicide" level for a lot of actual lawyers
>>338058278
>He rarely suffered from first suspect tunnel vision, and was open to accepting alternate scenarios from what was first proposed.
True, he was almost always ready when Apollo/Phoenix/Athena thought that they could turn the case upside down.
>>338055995
>>338056096
It's already been stated to be new characters entirely
The bride is the victim
This is supposedly the husband, and it's somebody possibly related to Hugh O Connor
>>338057240
The games difficulty doesn't mean the writing and Blackwuild grip on everything doesn't exist
He had your back cornered a lot
>>338058242
I dunno man, real life murders are honestly pretty wicked shit. Sure, they don't usually have convoluted plots, but people can be real brutal when it comes to getting rid of evidence. It's just that those kinds of murders don't usually become public until years later.
>>338058242
No, there are plenty of interesting real life murders
the actual court room process is just boring as hell
>>338044373
Klavier>Edgey=Blackquill>Barnham>Godot>Franziska>Winston>Gaspen=British Payne
In terms of competence
>>338058293
Paralegal in debt collection/breach of contract law here, it sometimes can be fun, when you get some crazy asshole defendants you're up against. We've gotten some...interesting stories about why they think they don't have to pay, at last one person who signed all contracts in their own blood, and a few Ace Attorney-tier names (people we're suing for not paying their loans who have last names like Billsborrow or Cashdollar).
>>338058502
>tfw Apollo is fucked with every option thrown in the garbage
>Oh fuck, better start thinking, HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
>tfw he fucking figured out everything about Monstrous Turnabout by realizing thatTenma was Ninetails
>Proceeds to absolutely Rape Blackquil in stating his case
God that felt satisfying, Blackquil's strictness made figuring shit out better in a writing position
>Have item that proves someone suspicious
>there's a step before it's "use" so it doesn't work
>>338058946
Depends on which
Young Wingston is the best
But Gaspen was pretty competent, he was just being a real piece of shit
And an even bigger one in Spirit of Justice
>>338059068
Evidence law
Your supposed to make an assumption and situation where the specific evidence is crucially needed
>>338046835
I'm watching DGS and holy shit.
>half an hour spent to prove that two plates were swapped
>when one of the two has a steak with humongous bite marks on it that couldn't have possibly belonged to a woman
>>338044373
>spirit of justice is digital only
GOD
DAMNIT
>>338046973
That's a weird way to spell Trials and Tribulations.
>>338058946
Klavier was not that competent really, it was more that no one in the court room gave a shit about Apollo
Unless you're talking about the flashback case with Phoenix, though he only won that because of how Kristoph rigged it and then tipped Klavier off about the forged evidence
>>338046182
>healthbar carries over between days of the trial
Oh god, I'm gonna be resetting a lot.
>>338057887
Being a lawyer is a meme. It's boring as hell and you just do paperwork. That, on top of the stress you have over defending clients, can drive someone insane.
>you have to press every statement before presenting the right evidence even though you know exactly what evidence will work beforehand
Fuck Turnabout Goodbyes for this.
>>338059068
>the broken neck
It had to be a translation error right? No way it really was such a piece of shit.
>>338046182
>Who put the cloak on the bust
>>338059739
The safest thing to do in almost any testimony is just to Press Everything before you try any presenting, just in case there's an extra testimony that only appears from pressing.
The fucking worst though are the cases where
>Have to Press 3rd statement AFTER pressing the 4th statement, or else the extra statement won't appear
That shit always throws me off.
>>338059809
No
The police are really fucking retarded
>>338059739
Rise from the Ashes was way worse with this. At least 70% you have to press EVERYONE on EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT
Fuck Rise from the Ashes, seriously.
>>338047276
I want them to fuck just to piss off fujoshi.
>>338046182
>tfw you just found you JFA cart
I haven't played this game in years, can't want to jump into it again boys
>>338060123
Aren't there literally some testimonies there where you don't even need to present anything - you just have to press every statement to continue the story? Those testimonies always felt sort of pointless.
>>338060305
There's at least one or two instances of that, yes. God did that case drag like hell.
>>338044373
The Japanese court system is fucking garbage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta
>>338060218
I want them to fuck because I want Maya and Nick to be happy.
I also support Franzisca and Edgeworth as well.
>>338060123
>Implying you don't press every statement for dialogue anyway
Your not a fan of the series
>>338060419
Isn't Rise from the Ashes still the longest case in the series? It certainly feels like it. Though despite the length and all the shit mentioned, I still really enjoy it at least in terms of story - that may just be because I really, really liked Damon Gant though. One of the best AA villains.
>figure out who did it very early
>have to wait for the game to spell it out even though I already know
Case 2 of JFA sucks.This was also a huge problem for me with LA Noire, as soon as I saw the temp worker I know it was that fucker.
>>338058559
Nope
There are 2 marriages
One is of an M character that appears in both mainline and investigations
Other is the case you actually watched
Time travel is involved.
>>338060756
>3 investigation chapters
>7 trial chapters
>Most evidence in a single case
Jesus, that case was a monster.
>>338060846
There isn't one anon
It was just a fucking skit joke
They do this shit every new game
>>338058946
MANFRED VON KARMA=LANA SKYE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>EDGEWORTH>KLAVIER>BQUILL>GODOT>YOUNG WINSTON>OLD WINSTON=FRANZISKA
>>338058946
Paynes>Edgeworth>Barnham=Blackquill>=Sebastian and Justine>Godot=Lang and Yew>Klavier>Franziska
>Game pretends that the plot is easy
>Game throws you a hint at the plot twist
>Figure it out too early
>Yadda Yadda court reveals it and they react accordingly
>Second trail, shit ain't right
>>>>>>>>>>>actually no the plot twist you first saw was the wrong one, it's the other way around
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
>give him a japanese name
>but he's from baltics
why case 3 in even numbered games suck
>>338061386
>Even numbered games
Your implying Edgeworths dad was a bad case
>>338060948
but has best girl and best villain accompanied by best detective and a new mechanic
>>338061195
>Lana Skye that high
>Never see her do shit other than throw a bitchfit from the defendant's seat
>>338061489
not AAI2, i'm talking about the main series
>>338061547
>chief prosecutor
>at fucking 29
big fucking deal
We need a prosecutor who is fresh out of law school
Like Debeste, except for the main series as your prosecutor
>>338061605
Same shit anon
You can't just omitt investigations, it still counts in the number formula
>>338061690
You know, it would be nice to have a prosecutor that makes dumb theories alongside the defense, then acts all smug about it
detective tiers, no spinoffs
1.Dick Gumshoe
2.Luke Atmey
3.Tyrell Badd
4.Ema Skye
5.Bobby
>>338061973
>no spin offs
>Tyrell is on the list
>The killer dindu Nuffins if he was trying to stop somebody else
Your still going to jail fuckface
The only person who it was justified for was Alita, because Meraktis was a fucking moron, he'll she even admitted and gave up
>>338062104
*diminishing health bar*
oops, sorry your anon
>>338051686
>>338048116
>>338051812
>So you went to your room at 10 o'clock, is this correct?
>LISTEN TO MY JOKE INSTEAD!
>That joke that the witness, prosecution's witness mind you, made? Terrible. That's a penalty, Mr.Wright.
>Can you confirm that you were tired that day?
>YEAH, I AM POOPED! GET IT? POOP JOKE HAHA!
>That's a penalty Mr.Wright
>The suspect flew away
>THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE
>IT'S NOT LIKE THE SUSPECT IS A FAMOUS MAGICIAN SPECIALIZING IN FLIGHT RELATED TRICKS!
Fuck that whole part. They should've done that kind of trickery for 1-2, 1-4, and 1-5 instead of this case. 2-1 was ok for me honestly, I didn't hate it and found it ok. Hated 2-2 though, only really liked the villian during the very last trial part out of the whole shitty case. Mystic parts worst parts of all AA games. Lotta parts worst parts of all AA games.
>>338062136
I feel it's justified for Dee Vasquez too. Self-defense is a legit justification for murder.
The Great Debate
Who caused accident
Was Dr. Grey in the wrong and put sleeping pills or was Mimi just incompetent
>>338062359
Hers was a complete accident
I'm talking specifically about those who purposely murdered because of somebody else being a douche
>>338058242
>>338058006
>>338057887
You still get a rare, exciting trial. Look at the George Zimmerman trial, skeleton lawyer completely destroying witnesses left and right.
>>338062417
dr.grey did nothing wrong, NOTHING!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME! NOTHING!
>>338062417
Why not use a spirit medium to find out?
>>338060756
I remember that the game catridge had a broken save function and I was over a relative's place with nothing to do so I just ploughed through the entire case in a day.
Perhaps my best memory playing AA by far
>>338062417
Mimi... had a hard life.
>>338062417
I doubt dr grey would get rid of her because of an accident she caused
She was clearly tired, but dillusional enough to believe he did it
>>338062849
no lets perform blood tests on the car crash scene!
and, lets have other nurses testify about the malpractice, with records of the chemicals inside the 14 victims!
moreover, whe must check the medicine in the hospital, and compare them with the patients' charts!
>>338062417
>>338062954
He overworked her to the point of causing the accident.
The whole incident made her even more tired hence the accident.
It's why I love 2-2 because both victim and killer are at fault.
>>338047446
>everyone else is an asshole to him unless they really need his help
I mean sure she needed his help, but she was friendly overall.Sucks for Nick that she was already taken
>>338061605
Wasn't she appointed by Gant?
>>338061690
why
isn't shifting to a "young, inexperienced hotshot" protagonist like what every other Japanese game ever has enough for you
>>338064920
Yes, appointed by Gant and blackmailed to keep her in place.
>>338064920
she would be appointed, sooner or later, just like gant's promotion.
>>338065148
Because the first four games in the series were inexperienced defense attorneys being put up against skills and highly regarded prosecutors. Even after all Phoenix has been through, he's still pretty much the same as he ever was, and putting the now experienced Phoenix Wright up against an inexperienced prosecutor would be interesting. I don't know that a prosecutor like that would be able to hold up the whole game, though, so perhaps it should be a one-case deal.
>>338044373
Just finished AA:Trilogy. Should i play Apollo Justice now? Is it good?
>>338065567
Phoenix was more unprofessional than inexperienced though
>>338057887
Studying law was a mistake.
Law itself and courts are great but all the legislation and paperwork brings it all down.
>>338065632
play in release order as usual and then make your own opinion
there's no consensus on AJ here, some people like it and others don't
>>338065632
How can I put it, It's different.
Don't expect the same kind of game but it's still very good.
>it's a victim wrote the killer's name episode
post the tier list please
>>338065567
It could work
The prosecutor can start getting smarter but still immature in later cases until he fully develops and ruses the entire courtroom
>>338065650
He was literally fresh from the law school. Mia's death was his second case, and he was handheld all the way through the first.
>>338065758
Don't investigation games take the place between AJ and the trilogy chronologically?
>>338064509
She always felt a bit like a golddigger to me.
I honestly am disappointed that they made Maya be accused of murder again in this new game.
Fuck their traditional shit.
I wanted her to be more of a partner to Nick than being his the constant damsel in distress all the time.
She deserved better. We deserved better. She has come back after those 12 years and this is literally the worst shit they could have pulled off on her.
How good are Apollo's and Edgeworth's games compared to the first three AA games?
>>338062573
I was actually caught off guard by that. They made it seem like he was responsible for the dead patients, and the car accident, then it turns out that was all the stupid nurses fault and he was completely in the right.
Aside from being a jerk, he wasn't bad or anything.
>>338065934
>>338066810
Yes, but since they're spinoffs it doesn't really matter when you play them after you're finished with the trilogy.
>>338066810
Yes. The Edgeworth games were released after AJ, but chronologically they occur in between the Original Trilogy and AJ.
>>338066915
>I wanted her to be more of a partner to Nick than being his the constant damsel in distress all the time.
I'm fine with it only because it looks like they use it as a setup to have Ema be Phoenix's assistant again for a case
also we do still get assistant Maya too
>>338065934
Not AA but 11037 was hilariously obvious.
>>338068264
The "twist" of that case was what the victim girl was actually planning though
I don't why AA games typically insist of having the 1st cases being so basic, the series has never been so complex that it needed an entire tutorial case in my opinion. The 1st case of AA2 was stupidly simple, for example
>>338068264
>"Hey hey, need a hint? Well too fucking bad here's it anyway, flip it around."
Literally made me think the game was trying to test my anger.
>>338068264
To be fair, this wasn't as obvious in the Japanese version.
>>338069232
It was, just not to Japanese people
>>338069532
Well, yes ,that's what I meant. The puzzle is the same, but that alphabet is not as immediately recognizable to the Japanese player.
>>338069620
Makes me wonder why they didn't change it to Japanese writing in the English version then, as a "Fuck you for calling it easy for us, how easy is it to figure it out for you now?"
>>338069620
The real stupid thing is the fact that a Japanese girl who lives with other Japanese people chose to write her killer's name in english
>>338069232
it was, I'm pretty sure Leon's name was shown in romanized format in the nip version too
like that other anon said, it wasn't the main twist of the case
I think we can all agree that overly easy first cases, regardless of franchise, aren't needed in general though
I finished all three and heard that 4 and DD are optional at the very least and to avoid investigation or rent if possible
True?
>>338069786
because the entire time they were trying to figure out the importance of the "11037" when it had no real meaning to it, if it was written in Japanese then the characters would have realized right away what it meant because it someone's name upside down
>>338048116
I literally just played Big Top and it really is not that bad. The investigation parts and anything to do with Trilo is its only downfall. 2-2 is the worst imo
>>338070352
>avoid investigation
What are the odds the gumshoe at least appears in AA6?
>>338070352
>4 and DD are optional
Honestly,DD was optional for me because there are no 3DS emulators, but there's really not a reason to avoid playing both investigations as they're really good.
Just pirate games you dont want to buy, my dude.
>>338070352
>and heard that 4 and DD are optional at the very least and to avoid investigation or rent if possible
what dumb cunt said this to you? Play through all of them and make your own fucking opinion
Most of the games in this series are very short and typically they're all atleast somewhat well-recieved, why are people so scared to play through them all?
Your daily reminder that PLvsAA is 100% canon
>>338070352
>4 and DD are optional
They're only optional if you're not planning on playing any of the newer games.
>avoid investigation
The first one is okay (the cases are pretty boring until the fourth one) and the second one is considered by many the best in the series.
None of the games are bad enough to be skipped entirely.
4-1 > 3-1 > 5-1 > 1-1 > 2-1
3-2 > 2-2 > 1-2 > 4-2 > 5-2
3-3 > 5-3 > 4-3 > 1-3 > 2-3
1-4 > 2-4 > 3-4 > 4-4 > 5-4
1-5 > 3-5 > 5-5
>>338070381
Not when it's transplanted to English and the characters are people who don't know Japanese.
>>338070983
>5-5
>worst
I really like how Phoenix is portrayed in the anime, he seems more naive then he does in the games and doesn't have to constantly rely on Mia
>completely innocent person hides the truth for a pointless cross examination
I never understood this. If you're clean why hide the truth
>>338071156
stiff competition i'd say
the real offender here is 1-3 under 4-3
>>338070492
>>338070626
>>338070669
>>338070816
A friend who got me into ace attorney
He told me how 4 and DD were too easy and investigations was tedious but I got hooked on AA and just wanted a second opinion before I buy them
>>338070381
Not to mention that most Japs would've assumed it was spelt "RIONU" in English because of the katakana used to spell it, not "LEON".
>>338071123
>NISA are bad at carrying things across from the Jap version
What's new?
>>338071191
most of the time it's because they just flat out don't like the defendant or because the prosecutor tells them to
>>338070964
I guess you can squeeze it in between the end of T&T and Phoenix's "last" trial.
>>338070964
Maya is canonically dead?
>>338071423
Your """"""<<friend>>"""""" has objectively shit taste.
>>338071539
Did you not finish PLvsAA?Because she's not.
>>338071423
He's not really wrong, Investigations 2 is great though and retroactively makes Investigations worth playing.
>>338071156
The poster is only comparing them to other cases in the same position. IE, they're not saying 5-5 is the worst case ever, they're saying it's just not as good as 1-5 or 3-5, so it's the worst "5th case".
>>338071191
everybody fucking hates defense attorney for some reason
I mean I know AA6 features a country with some sort of unrevealed plot reason for hating defense attorneys but it's already the unspoken truth of Japanifornia that defense attorneys are to be bullied for some reason
>>338071156
5-5 isn't bad, but it's up against the two best cases in the entire franchise.
>>338071227
4-3 is dumb, but it was interesting, had some great parts, and helped develop Klavier's character. 1-3 is a long, dragged-out snoozefest with an incredibly underwhelming conclusion and nothing to add to Edgeworth's character except some foreshadowing that he likes the Steel Samurai (that could've been in any other case).
>>338071889
Ah, now it makes sense.
>>338071985
that's so fucking wrong though
the entire day 2 court of 1-3 is really good, and has edgeworth's epiphany happening
Replaying the series to get myself hype for AA6. Finished the Trilogy, and before jumping to AJ and DD decided to play the Investigations games, as I had never played them before.
Just finished the 4th case and god damn I'm regretting not playing this earlier. I really love this so far, probably more cohesive than any of the main series games. About to start teh final case so expecting great things. Is the sequel as good?
>>338071985
There was no foreshadowing that Edgeworth liked Steel Samurai in 1-3 in the game, just in the anime. Takumi didn't make Edgeworth a closet Samurai fan until after the first game came out - it was a fandom thing that Takumi found funny and decided to make canon.
>>338071949
In real life defense attorneys at least in the US are a necessary evil
You don't see it until you have to go to court against one for anything really , they'll try to fuck you anyway possible and for the rare cases help you in anyway possible(zimzam case)
>>338071423
None of the games are optional. I suggest pirating AJ, AAI, and AAI2, though. Especially since the only way to play AAI2 in English is to pirate it.
>>338061354
>>338061195
Never make lists again
>>338072330
>it was a fandom thing
it's included in the official manga with the game
>>338072519
was that official manga made with the original GBA version of the game, or the later DS versions?
>>338072215
>Just finished the fourth case
On Investigations?
It's certainly not bad.
AAI2 goes a little heavy on the pop culturein the fan translation because I dont speak nip, but it's still really, really good as a whole game.
How is the anime and is it based on the games?
I just finished JFA, are there any spoilers for the future games in it
>>338072409
Shit taste
>>338072209
>>338072330
I always thought the reason he tried not to get Will Powers convicted is because he liked the Steel Samurai? I haven't seen the anime.
>>338046182
I sadly ruined my own experience of JFA, T&T and AJ by consulting a guide for all of them.
The first game wasn't too difficult, but it just came to me easier than the others, it's mostly the reason I consider it the best, and Case 1-4 being the best case of the series.
The thing that made those games harder for me were the Psyche Lock's. You had to explore a lot more in the investigations and then had to do small trials in hopes you can continue the story. I had trouble finding the right piece of evidence to show Lotta that Gordy wasn't real, and even that was just me pressing everything and hoping for the best.
As for AJ, I wasn't really into Apollo as a character and the second case wasn't as interesting as the first. I just looked it up to get it over and done with.
AAI, AAI2, DD and PWvsPL I didn't use a guide for though. I eventually completed the three games without a guide, only accidentally finding the answer to a trial in AJ.
>>338072682
The anime is covering first game and JFA, and it just finished 1-3.
>>338072682
It is based on the games. So far it only has 1-1, 1-2 and 1-3, presumably it will have the 2nd game too.
It's ok.
>>338072712
What? No
it's because Phoenix shows him what actual justice is or whatever
>>338062524
Do you know of a video or anything? I want to see some real life court action.
>>338072519
>>338072610
It was released with the first game's DS remake.
>>338071423
I liked Investigations 1
1st case was standard overly-obvious-but-still-enjoyable-enough 1st case fare, 3rd case was a fucking chore as is standard 3rd case fare too (and it introduced some fun main characters atleast), and I liked the 2nd, 4th and 5th cases.
+
I think I preferred the gameplay in Edgeworth's spinoffs to the gameplay in mainline AA in general too
>>338072847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq_WaA5Vneg
>>338072931
Then my point still stands. It was a fandom thing in Japan, that Takumi made canon in between when the first game came out for GBA in Japan, and when the 2nd game came out. Which is why later adaptations of 1-3 like the anime and that manga include the "Edgeworth is a closet SS fan" thing, but it's nowhere to be seen in the original game version of 1-3. It doesn't pop up in the games until Justice for All.
>>338072519
These are pretty fanfiction tier but still kind of funny.
>>338073329
>>338073454
Who puts that much pork fillet on a burger?
>>338073114
Not what I had in mind but that's pretty funny.
>>338073454
Last one.
>>338073454
Those are some pretty nice burgers
>>338073521
Traditional American spirit mediums.
>>338072931
Really? I kind of assumed they were originals because the names were in Japanese and it's only case 1 to 4
>>338071949
>everybody fucking hates defense attorney for some reason
Not really, in the AA world people think that the defendant is ALWAYS guilty, so someone defending a guilty man and trying to pick every little thing you say even if it's not very important out of your testimony can piss people off and make you seem like an evil person.
It's stupid, but at least it's a reason.
>>338073551
Edgeworth hanging out with Nick and Maya should've been happening so much more often.
>>338073114
I'm surprised anyone even likes these games, considering threads about them always boil down to discussing which parts are the worst.
>>338073736
>These four two-page manga shorts were released with the GS:YG manual in Japan
http://www.court-records.net/manga.htm
The DS version has subtitle "Yomigaeru Gyakuten" in Japan.
>>338071751
Is Gumshoe blushing because Edgey is rubbing his weiner?
>>338074135
There's not much to really discuss other than what's coming in AA6, so we're left with tossing opinions at eachother, and even then we can usually all agree that one or two cases are objectively shit.
>>338074302
You stop that this instant.
>>338074135
There isn't much else to say. Until we get AA6.
>>338074135
There's so much good in Ace Attorney that it's just easier to pick things we don't like.
>>338066915
Maya's still your assistant you sperg calm down
>>338074135
>threads about them always boil down to discussing which parts are the worst.
So it's business as usual in /v/.
>>338070352
Play all the games anon
Form your own opinion
What happened to it, /v/?
>>338070964
That reminds me
AA6's DLC case is acting very laytonish
>Bride victim saw her own death
There's always bullshit in Layton, but not in AA, outside spirit channeling, there's always a reason for stupid premises
>that feel when you didn't like 2-4
I'm sorry but a lot of it was retarded.
>Franzisca gets shot
>Gumshoe has an incident
>the assasin was literally an assassin
>Andrews is super suspicious for /10 of the case
>"the stakes have never been higher" case
>stalling like motherfuckers to wait for Maya to be freed
>stalling like motherfuckers to wait for Gumshoe to arrive with the evidence
>how the fuck was I supposed to know I had to give Edgeworth the whit during the ending?
There were some nice things though.
>>338073329
>you will never be whipped into shape by Mia
>>338074945
Probably kept in his desk.Why does it look like the Cave paintings in Kingdom Hearts 1?
>>338074945
Unnecessary evidence
I'm looking forward to the interactions in AA6
>Older Ema gets to see Wright again as a Lawyer, especially since we didn't see her interract in AJ
>Older Ema gets to meet Athena and Maya
>Maya gets to meet Trucy,Apollo and Athena
>LARRY MOTHER FUCKERS
>>338074642
Assistant =/= Partner
I hoped her to be like a proper partner that gets her part done in the story, instead commenting on things a few times in the court or summoning Mia to give the answers to Phoenix like she did in the trilogy. Maya as an assistant wasn't really useful. Her forte is bantering with Phoenix most of the time, when she is not charged with murders.
>>338074995
what is the problem with any of these?
also you give Franziska the whip, and you know because... it's Franziska? and it's her whip? and it's a piece of evidence you get JUST FOR THAT
>>338074945
I like to think Franziska framed it or sleeps with it at night. Thinking about scoring with Phoenix.
>>338075801
what the fuck is with this horrible gif
>>338075164
Mei jerked off to it knowing Mayoi had hots for Naruhodo. She felt like NTR'ing Mayoi and enjoyed it immensely.
>>338075917
Yeah but you give it to Edgeworth during the after-trial party. Edgey then gives it to her at the airport.
>Edgeworth asks me to show my appreciation
>of course! i'll give im Franziska's whip
???
>>338071949
>unrevealed plot reason for hating defense attorneys
Kurain is more like how Japanifornia probably would have ended up if Edgeworth's dad knew Von Karma killed him. Everyone blindly trusts in the channeled dead people (except they are using the water mirrors instead of regular channeling) to correctly identify their killer, and believes that no defense attorney could ever refute such "decisive" testimony.
