Should VAC bans be forgiven over time?
>>338042954
No, and they should be applied to all multiplayer games.
>>338042954
This thread again?
No. It acts as a deterrent.
If anything, maybe 10 years would be a good duration for them but it's plainly stated at just about every loading screen that cheating will result in a permanent ban an if you can't take a hint from that then I don't know what the fuck.
>>338043660
Retards cheat.
I don't want to play with retards or cheaters, now or in 10 years time.
Ban should be final and forever.
>>338042954
NEVER EVER
Fuck off.
Faggots crying about their bans because they dindu nuffin make me moist
Imagine one day someone barged in and slaughtered your entire family for no good reason.
Should he be forgiven? No?
Why should VAC bans?
>>338042954
I think there should be a rehabilitation project, after which they'll be forgiven.
>>338044948
>comparing cheating in video games with real life murder
>>338042954
since I don't have one, no
if I get one, yes
>>338042954
Should threads be reposted ad infinitum?
>>338044948
>Should he be forgiven?
Yes.
>No?
No.
>Why should VAC bans?
Same reason.
>>338042954
No. I can see that it must be quite suffering to have that shit on your profile forever, when you just made a stupid mistake or wanted to play around years ago and didn't think it through.
But at that point its not about you anymore, but the other Steam users instead. The time that has passed is a good way for people to estimate if they want to play with you or not.
But the important thing about the VAC tag staying is, that the counter doesnt say how long it has been since you've cheated, but how long it has been since you've been caught cheating. There are lots of non-VAC protected games on Steam, and as said, once you got caught, its not about you anymore, but the other users.
>>338042954
No, if anything, they should be broadened. If you cheat in one multiplayer game, say, Left 4 Dead, players who play with you on Counterstrike should know.
>>338042954
no you broke the bushido code. you need to be shamed for rest of your life.
personally i would like valve to ban VAC breakers completely. you cunts don't deserve to be in steam let alone second chance.
>>338045558
i'm glad christianity is becoming irrelevant.too bad islam is taking its place, which is even more regressive
>>338045405
>Not understanding that both are a case of 'breaking the rules'
>>338042954
>VAC ban for a game I don't own
I don't play multiplayer games anyway... so it's not a big deal, right?
>I cheated in a game
>I broke the code in the game to have a higher KD than someone
Of all the times that I've been killed by a hacker, a cheater, or abuser?
Fuck no. I think your hard drive should be fucking fried if you install a hack on it to cheat in a multiplayer game, like a god damn chickenshit coward.
>>338044948
I would ask him "How did you resurrect my whole family?"
>>338046009
>I think your hard drive should be fucking fried if you install a hack on it to cheat in a multiplayer game
this
>>338045886
If enough time and effort has passed, people should be able to be forgiven. People change, people make (one time) mistakes.
I'm not saying they should be forgiven all willy nilly of course, but if there's reason to believe he changed for the better in a way that makes him not harmful, then he should be forgiven.
>>338042954
how about you just don't use steam
problem solved
>>338046286
>If enough time and effort has passed, people should be able to be forgiven
>Being this much of a fucking faggot
Let me guess, no Dad around?
I don't care because it doesn't affect me.
>>338042954
No. You should be banned from any multiplayer content.
>multiplayer online game
>everyone having fun and enjoying themselves because the only thing separating each other is individual skill level
>guy with click2win cheat ruining everything aggravating everyone for no reason other than his own amusement
It's not like cheaters ever wanted to play the game. If they did, why cheat instead of playing it as intended?
>>338045748
>"v-video games arent s-serious guys, cmon!"
>makes the effort to install hacks in order to win in a video game
>>338046376
At this moment in time? No.
Should we forgive Emma Watson for tax evasion
>>338046681
>At this moment in time?
Obviously the damage has already been done.
>>338046714
Yes. Taxation is literally theft.
>>338046040
Aw, anon, do you need a hug?Because you're not fucking getting one
Why didn't the US forgive Osama Bin Laden instead of killing him? It's been a while he did 9/11 before they found him
Never forgive cheaters. Doesn't matter if you were young and dumb. Cheaters are like people who torture animals when they're kids. They're fucked in the head and no matter how much time passes, they'll always be cunts. I don't know a single person who hasn't thought cheating was the gayest shit their whole life.
>>338042954
Vac bans are the best concept in the history of videogames.
You deserve to be pointed as cheating retard for the rest of your life and im glad vac exists.
>>338047069
>he has never played SA:MP with sobeit in a freeroam gamemode
I see you don't know the true meaning of fun
Nope
>>338045405
>pulling the "it doesn't count" card
Answer the fucking question, should you be forgiven for breaking the rules?
>>338045649
huh?
I got banned as a teenager hacking on CS:Source.
I did it in surf maps, and would just spray headshots all day off the spawn ramp.
It was really fun for me, and I think it should be forgiven over time.
I haven't hacked in 10+ years, it was just new and exciting at one point much like game mods. I haven't touched game mods in about that long just as well.
>>338047387
>Play SA-MP Roleplay servers
>Join police faction
>Use no-recoil, player finder, and custom damage modifiers (can literally set how much HP I loose from a certain weapon)
>Didn't get killed for 5 months, win every shootout, find every suspect
>Been hacking on several servers for years
>Never banned
Feels good
>>338047764
>It was really fun for me, and I think it should be forgiven over time.
Who cares what you think? Cheater.
Also
>I installed hacks
>BUT ONLY ON SURF MAPS, HONEST
Nah fuck off m8.
>VAC banned for using FOV changer in MW3
>Permanently marked as a cheater
>>338042954
Stop making this thread on a daily basis you fucking cunt nobody fucking gives a fucking shit this is barely vidya related
>>338047952
owned lmfao
>>338047387
>>338047828
kys you guys are russian/algum br tier
>>338047952
>>338047764
>>338042954
Why don't you fags just create a new account?
>>338047952
>playing COD
>installing mods that give an advantage
>in fucking multiplayer
kill yourself
>>338048064
Yeah and lose 450 games.
>>338047952
Well yes, a FOV changer would allow you to see more and give you an unfair advantage over other players. It's on the same level as having a wall hack.
>burning team captain worth 8000 keys
>>338048064
DESU, I've lost that account, it was over 10 years ago, and what the fuck was I supposed to do with a VAC account? Of course I ditched it since, but if they ever did time forgive, I'd try and seek it out again, 'cause I had some games I wouldn't mind playing again.
Post yfw all those cheaters got VACed and lost thousands of dollars of items
>>338048243
maximum enjoyment
>>338048160
Why would you cheat and risk your account if 450 games?
>>338048243
>i totally wanted to get caught
>>338048160
Buy newest games on your new account, and switch to your older account for playing older games
Or even better, use family sharing to "transfer" all of your older games
There, was that hard?
Either that or stop being a little bitch and embrace your VAC
>>338048243
It was INTENTIONAL Anon for fuck sake.
No and they should be banned from posting here as well.
>>338046947
good thing you got fucking told for using such a shitty analogy
>>338048167
>make the screen slightly wider so I don't puke
>on the same level as seeing enemies through walls
>>338048243
Whats that one guy's steam ID that had 20k worth of items that got VAC banned?
>>338042954
If you cheat online, you deserve to get perma banned. Be lucky Valve lets you keep your games and let's you play on cheater servers.
>>338048160
>cheating on account with 450 games
If anybody should be forgiven it's not people who are stupid enough to do it on accounts worth thousands.
It's kind of pointless, really.
If someone is lame enough to use cheats, they're going to do it on a new account and when they get banned just make another one. Might as well forgive VAC bans over time.
>>338048406
>>338042954
>He thinks he can be forgiven
LMAO stay banned and mad cheating scum
>>338048393
>make the screen slightly wider so I don't puke
are you disabled?
>>338048325
>>338048450
It was just a FOV changer. How could anyone know that would lead to a ban? Its a similar thing in GTA 5, if you have slightly altered files that don't even change anythign in multiplayer you will get banned anyway. It's the developers making shitty games.
>>338048507
>People who are going to murder people are going to do it anyway, why not legalize it?
It'a a deterrent and a punishment you fucking retard, a big reason people don't cheat is because there's no chance of redemption.
>>338048583
People who play at 60 FOV are.
>>338048615
Changing FoV gives you a competitive advantage and you should have checked beforehand whether it'd get you banned instead being a stupid asshole. Even when I installed resolution mods for Dark Souls I made sure it was safe first.
I'm calling bullshit on your excuse anyway
Fuck Cheaters.
They ruined PSO
>>338048690
maybe i am but atleast im not banned :^)
>>338048690
>People who play Modern Warfare 3 are.
ftfy
>>338048621
You're the fucking retard, here. Nobody is going to cheat on an account with more than one game on it.
If I were to cheat I'd just make a new account and cheat, there's no repercussions.
>get caught and banned
>make a new one
WOW NOTHING HAPPENED. You could even get a refund if you put less than 2 hours on the game.
>>338048759
"My excuse" as if I would lie on an anonymous imageboard
>>338045886
Christianity is the reason we aren't all savages. I agree modern religion is an occult, but I'd much rather have a world full of Christians than a world full of atheists or Muslims or, god forbid, liberals.
>>338048615
>this character is underpowered
>I know, I'll give myself double damage, that's fair!
>WOW WTF WHY AM I BANNED IT'S THE DEVS' FAULT NOT MINE
>>338043660
It's only a deterrent from cheating on your main steam account
10 years, forever, doesn't matter. The real ban is 0 seconds because you can just make another account and re-buy the game. Valve makes no attempt to ID those who are repurchasing after being banned because its about that $$$$$$$$$$$$
I got VACbanned from CS:GOy a year or so ago for triggerbotting. I got a laugh out of raping people by dak-daking the doors on Dust, and now I'm banned.
Fair's fair.
However, it's hilarious that you can get a shorter sentence for fucking murder than for cheating at videogames. If you're going to implement a crime and punishment system you should at least think about it beforehand so you don't get these ludicrous contradictions.
All things considered, I don't care. I don't hack in games that are fun, so I only get banned from games I don't really care about being banned in.
>>338042954
No.
i used a fov changer and got banned from playing mw3 and it didn't affect any other games, i could even play black ops. i like my vac stamp though, it's like that "extra touch" to my profile
>>338048916
>replying to a 40 minute old post to push your unorthodox views in a completely unrelated thread
>>338048853
Do you actually get something out of posting blatant bullshit? Assuming you were actually right about people not cheating on accounts with more than one game (you're not) then there's no issue with VAC existing.
If you legitimately believe deterrents existing don't change anything then I'm done arguing because even for this board that's a stupid claim
>>338049010
>>>>>MURDER IS WORSE THE CHEATING
YOU MAD MAN, OFCOURSE ITS NOT. ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
>>338049085
Only a fucking retard would use cheats on an account with games on it, idiot.
>>338042954
maybe after a set amount of time, and a public apology
>>338044948
So how are those recidivism rates compared to Norway, Clapistan?
>>338049010
>a ban from multiplayer video games on a single account is literally the same thing as imprisonment for murder
Do you give this same excuse to forum mods when you get permabanned for shitposting
>>338043660
>I am the same person I was 10 years ago.
>>338049212
And yet innumerable amounts of people do so anyway. Not everybody is a 13 year old who uses their mom's credit card to buy a new copy of a game every other week.
It's also a good mark of shame
>>338049067
Christianity is the opposite of unorthodox actually. It's the glue that held together a nation and kept us from being niggers or muslims.
You may think it facetious but just look at history. White people didn't surpass Africa and the middle east because of the color of our skin. We did it because instead of raping children all day we came up with a way to be kind to each other.
>>338049482
>every other week.
People don't get banned immediately. VAC bans aren't entirely automated, someone has to physically approve the ban for it to go through.
Why am I explaining this to you, you're a fucking retard.
>>338049327
I don't post on forums.
I just think it's funny that 10 years is long enough for someone to go from murderer to not a murderer, but there is absolutely no length of time, not even from the start of the big bang to the heat death of the universe, that is sufficient to make a cheater not a cheater.
Like I said, I don't care about the contradiction. I hack, they ban hackers, I get banned, fair's fair. I'm just pointing it out.
>>338049427
>I killed and raped 500 babies but it's okay because I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago.
Also there's a difference between a hyperbole to make a point and false equivelancies, my post is the former.
>>338042954
I don't care, there's a dude with a vac ban on my friends list and he's alright
>>338049651
I agree but this isn't the place to talk about it and it's why people complain about /pol/
>>338044948
If a killer goes to jail, he serves his sentence. That sentence is not always life-long, that's why different crimes have different punishments
Same should be with VAC. I wouldn't mind if they unbanned cheaters 5 or 10 years later.
>>338049680
>can't make a single post without calling someone a retard and making absurd assumptions that have nothing to do with how people actually behave
>>338049685
See>>338049709
>>338046547
Because it's novel and people get asspained about it
My friends used speed hacks in CS:GO. They unanimously agreed it made the game harder because you lost all control when moving. It was for shits. We lost more rounds than we won, and the other team still got assblasted.
I got suspended by association. What's funny is during one of those rounds, I've never had this shit happen before in CS, I killed 4 guys in 5 seconds by spraying a galil at medium distance like the pros that memorize recoil patterns. It was an act of god, but they had to think I was aimbotting.
>>338046286
But why?
We should let other players and server admins decide if they want to forgive someone with a single 1000 day old VAC ban.
The information should remain permanently so others can make their own decisions.
Besides, if anyone feels strongly about their ban, it's incredibly easy to make another account.
Permanent VAC/Game bans are the only logical answer. Anyone who disagrees is a filthy cheater.
/thread
NEVER EVER FAGGOTS
>>338042954
No, and they should be applied to the entire account. Just ban the cheating faggots.
>>338049859
>But why?
Because treating somebody like they're somebody who does not actually behave like the person you're treating is wrong, and leads to actions being taken that should not be taken.
>>338047764
>I haven't murdered a puppy in 10+ years
Well aren't you a fucking angel
>>338049832
>make it obvious you're hacking
>get banned
WOOOOOOOOW
>>338049859
Or you could just play by the rules you agreed to instead of creating massive gray areas for no reason other than to make others deal with your poor choices.
>>338050024
>killing a puppy = hacking in a video game
glad I know your priorities.
>>338047952
>VAC banned for fucking the town preacher
>Permanently marked as an adulterer
>>338050024
>Comparing cheating in a video game to slaying an animal
>>338042954
Yes,a permanent ban is just a nice way for them to tell you to fork up another $60 to play again. Make the ban last a month and no longer than a year depending on the extent, with a three strike rule.
>>338050042
>Or you could just play by the rules you agreed to instead of creating massive gray areas for no reason other than to make others deal with your poor choices.
Quoted wrong post. Meant for this retard who doesn't feel he should be held accountable for his actions >>338050019
You agreed to the punishment for cheating when you made the account, you cheated knowing this and you get to deal with the consequences. This is not prison, you can make a new account if you want but there should be no redemption or forgiveness just because you're a manchild who thinks it's okay to ruin games for other people
>>338050019
Butthurt cheater detected. Don't cheat = no VAC ban.
>>338050042
You didn't even read my post, you dolt.
>>338049827
Read up about the goals of sentencing, memelord.
Sentencing has 5 goals:
punishment
deterrence
denunciation
security
rehabilitation
Raping 500 babies and getting a 5 year sentence might meet the goals of rehabilitation and security, but not punishment, deterrence, or denunciation.
What you seem to be claiming is that being banned for every single moment of time ever to exist is still not sufficient punishment for mildly annoying some people in a videogame.
>>338048192
god damn
>>338050234
>with a three strike rule.
But then we just get
>WAAAAH MY PERM PUNISHMENT SHOULD EXPIRE
>I ONLY HAD 3 STRIKES
>THATS HARDLY ANY
>I NEEDED 4 STRIKES
etc etc, you get my point
perm ban = best ban
>>338042954
This has got to be illegal somewhere desu. I paid for that game, so at least they should refund my money. There isn't anywhere in the world where cheating in a game makes you lose money, at most they kick you out. Someone should start a class action against valve for this.
>>338050234
Or don't cheat, end of story. Any sort of forgiveness means people will continue doing it and not be deterred, I don't expect you children to actually take responsibility for your actions but at least try
>>338042954
No. You fucking scum deserve this badge of shame till the day you finally fucking die.
>>338048759
>I'm calling bullshit on your excuse anyway
Why didn't I think of that. There's no need to argue if you just call the other guy a liar
>>338042954
no
cheating in multiplayer should ban you forever from all multiplayer games
>>338050274
Why do you think that I think that? I clearly said that it only applies when enough time/effort had passed.
Also, murdering a family will definitely get you prison. That was what I discussed with the post you're quoting. You can't make a new life dipshit.
>>338050393
>WAAAAAH stop enforcing the rules on me
How about you just don't cheat.
>>338050367
>>338050403
As someone who has been banned from 4chan for a week, I can tell you that it feels like a life-time and isn't worth the effort to wait it out just too troll again. Those that reach the three-strike rule will not be defended by society though and there is no worry.
>>338042954
Sadly there shouldn't even be VAC bans. They can sometimes tag innocent people as cheating.
Who wants to support a system that can fuck you over at anytime without any way to contest it other then hoping there is a slim chance that valve might catch the mistake?
>>338050505
>You can't make a new life
But you can make a new account, thus meaning there is literally already a way around perm bans, and yet cheaters cry and complain.
>>338050638
Okay? How is that relevant to my post?
The metaphysics of morals, applied to the concept of an online society of interacting, bartering and exchanging avatars would imply that the law is imperative to society, and that the state's punishment is both seperate by nature and design from natural punishment, and should not outlast or invoke permenance upon a just natural punishment.
id es, a steam VAC ban should be as long theoretically as it would take for a well-adjusted and contributing member of society to suffer the natural punishment (guilt at being a cunt) and to come through that punishment adjusted and learned from it.
Except that doesn't happen, because you cunts don't see a ban as anything but an inconvenience and if you had the opportunity to do it again you would in a heartbeat, so in theory you'd be indefinitely punished in an ideal system.
TL;DR A ban should hopefully go on exactly as long as it takes for you to stop being a cock-monging fruity-boy cakefag, so as long as you live.
>>338050303
The goal is for you to not ruin games for other players, nobody gives a shit about a 13 year old reforming themselves and it's not worth anybody's time, resources or ruined games because I TOTALLY CHANGED GUYS. Your second chance is the ability to make a new account
>>338042954
If there ever was a vote to apply death penalty to these fucking hack cheaters I would say yes, wholeheartedly. Cheaters in multiplayer games don't really deserve to live, much less ever be forgiven.
>>338050615
>Being a novice shitposter
Proxy or reset your router = New IP = No more ban
Exactly the same as making a new steam account removes the old ban.
Perm bans are fine, and can be avoided. They serve as a "dont you fucking dare" and they do that job fine.
>>338050718
Exactly.
>>338042954
No.
It would defeat the purpose.
>>338042954
ITT butthurt losers who got rekt by a hacker
What's the matter, babies? Can't hack back?
I for one hope they remove VAC bans because they are absolutely retarded.
>>338049795
Man fuck that. /v/ needs a lesson in politics. Most of the posters here are still living with mom and dad and have yet to be faced with the real world. If ANIME can overlap into /v/, then so can politics ; especially once you realize game reviewers are just the same as jew ran media.
/v/ thinks /pol/ is full of lunatics when really it's only about 40% lunatics ;kind of like how /v/ is populated by waifu fags and weebposters. The rest of the poster base is just trying to share news stories and talk about the on going conflicts in national and foreign affairs. Which is especially important right now with the presidency. People still think their voice doesn't count. People still think that the white house is lost to big business. But the truth is right now we're on the way to the first presidency in 25 years to actually make America great again.
>>338050851
But that encourages further rule-breaking, a one-month ban can at least encourage the more reasonable to wait it out and never do it again.
>>338050403
>Any sort of forgiveness means people will continue doing it and not be deterred
You mean like making another account or rebuying the game? Forgiven ;)
Cheating is taxed, not banned
>>338051038
If I needed proof the people crying about bans are 12 years old here we are. This sort of idiot is why forgiveness is not an option
It's just a game. Only the police and the government has the right to fine someone for money, so it's definitely illegal that you lose money for cheating in a video game.
>>338051132
How is a tax not a deterrent exactly?
>>338051038
t. hacker
>>338051050
How about you redirect people to talk about politics on >>>/pol/ instead, anime overlaps simply because they're reaction images. Anime threads that don't talk about video games whatsoever tend to get deleted provided the mods aren't asleep.
>>338050728
>The metaphysics of morals, applied to the concept of an online society of interacting, bartering and exchanging avatars would imply that the law is imperative to society, and that the state's punishment is both seperate by nature and design from natural punishment, and should not outlast or invoke permenance upon a just natural punishment.
>>338050768
>Your second chance is the ability to make a new account
This is a license to cheat forever
>>338050768
That doesn't address the central point.
There is a contradiction between the punishment for cheating and the punishment for murder created by permanent, uncontestable bans.
Real sporting codes have already addressed this, and there is a whole body of law about what punishments private organisations can and cannot impose. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a suit against Valve for a refund was successful on the basis of a permanent ban, because "you signed the contract!" isn't a defence when the contract itself is unlawful.
>just make a new account and buy the game again
That's not how consumer rights work.
Private organisations are entitled to impose rules, but those rules have to be reasonable and equitable. Otherwise the organisation is in breach of the law.
>>338051189
I know you're trolling but actual law dictates a video game company can ban you for any stupid reason they want, you pay for the opportunity to play the game if the company feels like letting you, not the game itself, otherwise people would try to sue companies every time a game was down for maintenance
>>338049709
>cheating in a video game is comparable to mudering and raping babies
valvedrones, everybody
also i bet that VAC false positives are completely impossible, right? ;^) it's not like it used to ban for having faulty memory or anything
>>338051282
It would be longer in German.
>>338051117
In theory, however this means that they would need to make a new account every time they cheat
which means no collections of games, or that would mean a throwaway account every single time they cheat
The perfect solution to this would be that "you must have this many games or spent this much before multiplayer opens up"
That way, its costly to cheat and ban evade. Your one month idea, while it sounds good in theory, in practice would just cut down cheating, not stamp it out, or even serve as a "dont you fucking dare" as its not a perm ban, and thus, is a minor problem for a short time
>>338051038
>summer is coming: the post
>>338047525
if you jaywalk do you want to be imprisoned
>>338051368
See:
>>338051414
You have no rights or grounds to sue.
>>338051415
>DINDU NUFFIN
>>338051262
Because like any sin tax it's set just high enough to never deter anyone from sinning, thus maximising revenue.
Just look at smoking taxes or alcohol taxes, faggot.
>>338050631
The problem is if we had transparency, VAC would be even more useless than it is now
What annoys me is no one really cares how many false positives VAC has produced, because everyone who is VAC banned is cheating scum of the earth, cheating scum that is free to make another account and keep cheating and it's fine because your punishment was making another account.
>>338051552
>DINDU NUFFIN
not even VAC banned, but nice try
>>338049709
Here I was thinking food analagies are the worst you could do on /v/
>>338051561
Sin tax isn't the same thing as paying $20-60 for new accounts relatively frequently. You're paying for the same product multiple times which under normal consumption is a one time purchase
>>338051552
The post you directed me to is factually wrong.
If you own a videogame what you actually own is a bundle of rights, and one of those is undisturbed possession. This is subject to certain caveats based on pragmatic concerns - servers need to be maintained, cheaters need to be punished - but nonetheless companies cannot arbitrarily deny you the ability to play your game.
Go ahead and look it up.
>>338051776
Again, it's a hyperbole which serves an argumentative purpose
>>338051552
>Ignores the possibility that valve has created anything less then a flawless perfect system.
100% valvedrone confirmed.
>>338042954
VAC bans don't go far enough. They should appear on your criminal record, give you jail time with no chance of appeal, require a fine of a billion shekels before you can play PC again, and also require to you have above average IQ, non mutant shaped bodily features, and a career level job and nontransracial family before they'll even consider reducing it.
Also your forehead will forever bear the branding VAC and in game your name will permanently have [VACTWAT] in front of it to ensure you never gain credibility again.
And you won't get in to heaven.
...and Satan said he doesn't take loser faggots who can't take whats rightfully theirs by will alone.
...and if you go through this process and do it again? Blinding and castration, followed by torture until death.
>>338046009
jesus christ i almost want to hack in-game just to piss you off
is it any wonder that there are so many trolls when people like this exist? just join another fucking server, fuck
>>338051795
It's a sin tax, and CS is like $5. Free, if you use the marketplace at all.
>>338048364
family share doesn't work with vac'd accounts
>>338051446
>The perfect solution to this would be that "you must have this many games or spent this much before multiplayer opens up"
Kek, that's a terrible solution. Nothing is a zero-sum game.
Cutting down on cheating, rather than turning Steam into an exclusive club is a better approach. As much as I'd love an authoritarian environment, I am not one to deny that an iron fist is not fun or healthy.
>>338042954
Yes.
>>338051552
A civil suit in nearly every 1st world country can be actioned at least once. It might be dismissed summarily the second the judiciary even looks at it, but until that time a suit is a suit.
The only time that isn't true is if the subject of the suit is immune from civil and/or criminal prosecution, or that the nature of the suit contravenes a suit-harassment law or ban.
I can sue your mum for being shit as sex. I'd almost certainly get absolutely nowhere (because of the wealth of witnesses to contradict me) But you could pussy out and settle with me before we got there. Hence: Ambulance chasers.
>>338051896
Feel free to actually cite something but I'm well versed in business law because I'm an autist who finds this shit interesting. Read the company's own ToS if you must, what happens when servers go offline? Do people file a class action against the company? Of course not, it would be laughed out of court
>>338048615
>use a hack to change how the game works
>"wow wtf why you ban me lol"
fuck off retard
>>338042954
No, I don't see any reason when you can just make a new account to get rid of it
>>338052057
>I am not one to deny that an iron fist is not fun or healthy.
Let me lube you up and I'll have you take that back.
But nah seriously, fuck cheaters.
>>338052116
I mostly worded that how I did because people generally aren't aware of what you posted but I agree with you entirely.
CS:GO VAC bans should prevent you from buying any other copies with the same credit card
>>338051603
I do get that, and would love further steps to stop cheating.
I just would also like a system to contest it. Some way to say hey, this was bs. There are problem hundreds of accounts out there that have a single vacban just because its a fairly automated system.
Yes I know its likely a small number giving them the doubt that its well maintained, but it sucks that people have zero way to object when targeted wrongly by it aside form paying out.
>>338051993
no, you fucking moron, valve's programmers are COMPLETELY flawless, automated hack detection done by computers makes complete sense, especially when it can ban you for faulty memory!
>>338052318
>prevent you from buying any other copies with the same credit card
That's actually a fucking great idea.
Even if you can get around it, it would be such a pain in the ass.
>>338050184
>continuing to miss the point
stop posting
>>338050638
>But you can make a new account, thus meaning there is literally already a way around perm bans, and yet cheaters cry and complain.
Because being able to make new accounts only makes habitual cheaters happy. People who didn't know something was vac bannable, or cheated once when they were 12 and learned their lesson, have a mark of shame stamped on their primary account.
The people who are actually continuing to cheat make new accounts. No one is complaining about them. Why? Apparently being vac banned is really punishment for being dumb enough to cheat on your main account, not actually cheating. Stupidy is the crime, not cheating.
I just wish people would be logically consistent. If you want to stop cheating, valve has to attempt to stop people from repurchasing games on another account by banning funds that are associated with a vac ban.
If you're response to vac ban forgiveness is vacbanned users are dumbasses and they deserve it because they didn't make a new account. Admit it's not about cheating, it's about being a dumbass.
>>338048916
>Implying Christians aren't the most liberal people
>>338052318
>>338052456
Why? I've not played CS:GO so there might be something that I'm missing, but doesn't steam loose money that way?
>>338052247
Sure, I get you buddy, and you're right in pointing out that even if you COULD sue for almost anything, that doesn't mean it has a hope in hell of doing anything but being expensive for you.
>>338050631
>They can sometimes tag innocent people as cheating
ok
>i'm totally innocent i swear
>>338052536
>People who didn't know something was vac bannable, or cheated once when they were 12 and learned their lesson, have a mark of shame stamped on their primary account.
Good. This filters out retards, underage and cheaters all in one go.
Personally they need to do more. Do hardware bans, that way if the cheater joins with his acct or another its gets banned.
Let the bastard buy a new motherboard.
>>338049859
>/thread on yourself
>nobody calls him out
>>338052693
>VAC2: In June 2011, an unknown false positive detection caused a handful of Team Fortress 2 owners to become banned.
if I were in charge I would have them executed
tough but fair
>>338052139
>muh ToS
ToS that are unlawful are invalid, you dumb cunt. If you were anywhere near as well-versed in business law as you thought you were you'd realise that a dirty dog does not get justice at the hands of the courts, and you ought to fucking know that because it's a pretty damn important quote from a pretty damn important case. What it means in part is that contracts that are unlawful will never be upheld, and actors who act in bad faith - even with valid contracts - will also not have their shit upheld.
Videogames are a product, not a service, and multiplayer is part of the product. When you buy a videogame you are buying a right to undisturbed possession of a software license, and that software is capable of doing various things. When a company interferes with the functioning of your software despite you owning the license they are breaching your right to undisturbed possession of the license.
The license may come with certain terms attached, like, for example, "don't cheat". However, a court could very easily find that the contractual consequences of cheating are not fair and equitable and the term is invalid, because tricking someone into signing a shitty contract won't get any judges on your side when you're a multi-million dollar company and they're 11 years old.
Or, the court could view it as similar to sports like rugby, where steroid use is against the rules and private organisations are empowered to punish steroid users - but only up to a point.
>>338052704
Reread that post of his/hers idiot. It specifically does NOT filter cheaters.
Cheaters are really the only ones able to get away with it for a fee. Litterally pay to win.
>>338052657
Yeah that's basically my point, usually people just mad about semantics so I don't bother.
>>338052492
>still comparing killing an animal to cheating
stop posting
>>338051521
what the fuck is your post
>>338052791
Replying to /thread is in itself a refutation of /thread.
>>338052847
>Litterally pay to win.
I prefer to think of it as a cheaters tax.
>>338052889
This is one particular field in which semantics actually matter beyond basic pedantry.
Its not like VIDEO GAME GENRES YOU YOU FUCKWITS. NOT A FIGHTAN GAME BECAUSE THE CAMERA IS WRONG? WHO CARRESSSSSSSSS
>>338052962
he's comparing being the "victim" of a cheater to someone barging into your house and killing everybody
>>338052963
In English please
>>338051262
Ask the person I was replying to
>Any sort of forgiveness means people will continue doing it and not be deterred
You're forgiven for paying retail price again, therefore there's no deterrence
>>338042954
No. Please die.
>>338053128
You are and idiot.
>>338052797
cool story bro
>>338053212
know how i know you're underage?
>>338052929
:^)
>>338053060
Again I agree, was mostly trying to avoid getting bogged down by an irrelevant shitstorm
It's funny really, only one person actually even mentioned it in an argument I had.
About ~3 friends out of about 150 or so even asked what it was about, was just some hacking on CS:Swhich I now play on an alternate account just to surf, and when my friends ask me to play
IMO the CS:GO babbies are the most assblasted about the ban so I just play valve games on the alt
>>338053284
go ahead so i can laugh at you for being wrong
>>338051446
>Hey I just got a new PC, I'll get this steam thing my friends keep talking about
>Buy first game
>Can't play it
Anon did you think about this shit?
No dollcat you deserve your ban
>>338042954
>go to a subway
>sandwich artist makes me an awful pile of shit and calls it a sub
>see the guy a year later in a walmart
>he asks me to forgive him for the sandwich
uhhhh... no
>>338052382
Well with valve you can face your accuser by opening a support ticket
The problem is they don't show you the evidence that you cheated, so you have to take their word for it. It's a kangaroo court.
But if they showed you the evidence, cheat makers would use that information to beat VAC.
>>338053439
well first of all you said "cool story bro", who the fuck even says that anymore? people who try too hard to fit in and look cool
second of all:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#False-positive_detections
and yes, its all sourced, happy reading
>>338053785
cool
story
bro
>>338053785
and what i'm trying to say with this is, valve will only pull back VAC bans when more than a few are affected by a false positive
what if 2-3 people get affected by it? they'll just have a bunch of valvedrones on them telling them that software CAN'T make mistakes, better spend more money xD
>>338052704
It doesn't filter cheaters
Read the whole post to get the point
>>338053925
>i was only pretending to be retarded xD
(you)
>>338054060
who's pretending to be retarded, you?
>>338053204
>>338054115
>no u
boy you sure are underage for real
>account over 9 years old
>play all the Valve games
>play all COD games
>play in many kinds of servers including idle servers
>not a single ban or warning
>mfw all the cheaters trying to claim false flag bans for "custom servers" or "mods"
Just fess up: you cheated and you got caught despite the many warnings Valve gives about not cheating
The best part is when they write a multi paragraph whine post on their profile about why they're banned.
This is reason why no one likes call of duty multiplayer anymore.
>>338053747
So there are two options really then.
>Accept it is okay that innocent people are banned.
>Accept VAC by itself will not be as effective a method.
The good thing, would be the first. Should always be the first when it comes to providing a service. You don't dump on paying customers doing the right thing but caught by a mistake of your own. You try and impliment other means.
I admit I don't know what those should be or even could. I just when you start putting people who did nothing under the bus in a nearly impossible to fight catch 22 like that, then there is something wrong and the system needs to be looked at.
>>338053747
>>338054593
Ment the second, but you get the point.
I always modded my games, but ever since I started using Steam I'm afraid I'll get a false-flag ban. I don't know if thats even possible as some people complain about it (which is most likely a lie). I'm not retarded, I get modding walls to be invisible is basically hacking, but what about changing character models or gun models?
but then again, if I DO get banned - Who'll believe me?
>>338048976
No shit sherlock, but really if you're playing in a game and notice some shitter only owns one game it just makes them a target for suspected future hacks, so you got socially ostracized too.
>>338053785
None of these are false positives
You deserve to get banned for faulty memory. Get a computer that works.
You deserved to get banned for playing on linux, don't know why they only banned cedega users.
You deserved to get banned for playing COD.
You deserved to get banned for playing COD and having a trojan on your PC.
The shitty players on TF2 and CS:GO got banned.
And the last 3 things are modding scum. Play the game the way developers intended.
>>338042954
I only got one ban, from MW2.
I used to host lobbies where everyone could jump like 30 feet into the air, everyone had infinite ammo and one kill was enough to rank you up from level 1 to 70.
It was fun, shame they don't allow unranked crazy matches like this.
>>338054163
????????
fucking shitposter
>>338054853
>????????
Yup, underage.
>>338054853
still didn't provide proof that VAC is 100% flawless software
>online game
>using mods or hacks at all
>using mods or hacks on your main account
>not doing your due diligence and researching if using programs or mods will result in a ban
Being young is no excuse. At least you should walk away with a lesson instead of crying about something that you willfully committed.
>>338054832
>Play the game the way developers intended.
>>338054824
Cheaters don't care if they are suspected. If they are never banned they can keep cheating.
In fact they love nothing more than you knowing they are cheating and you can't do shit about it.
>>338054832
kys
>>338054939
I'm 21
>>338055831
>i'm 21
im sure your fake id says that too
>>338055002
who has ever said that vac is 100% flawless software
Seems like you're just making up stuff that other people haven't said and arguing against it, when nobody has said the things you're saying they said
But you'll continue to shitpost about it
>>338044948
>it happened years ago
C'mon buddy forgive me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjwXI0n5-I
>>338055921
look here >>338052693
>>338055994
You quoted my other post, retard
>>338056097
dont be a dick to him
you know you're only proving me right, don't you?
>>338056236
who are you now?
>>338054702
As long as the game you mod isn't VAC protected you won't get the badge of shame.
>>338042954
no, but they should be contestable because you can legit get VAC banned despite not cheating.
You know what's really retarded? Game Bans. You can get game banned for literally any reason by the developer, even negative reviews.
>>338055935
>Pixy
Sure, I'll forgive you for only trying to kill almost everyone via some super nuke.
>>338057558
Talk shit, get hit.
>>338049819
If you slaghter his whole family you did it on purpose so you are murderer.
You are killer if you drove over someone when you were high or drunk or something like that. In which case you are right.
Murderer and Killer is not the same thing.
When you killed someone on purpose you broke that person's right to live so as a subhuman you should be killed as well.
Are you from Norway or something?
>>338044948
Gunna make a fucking summer hat with all that straw you just created.
