Now that the dust has settled can we all agree that Dark Souls 3 is by far the worst souls game?
not while Dark Souls 2 exist
No that's still DaS1.
>>338041827
That's not even debatable. It's painfully obvious they were completely out of ideas for this game. I really hope they move along already, 5 games is more than enough.
>>338044170
>>338042660
>>338041827
So they all suck. Gotcha.
>>338041827
I'm not sure yet but my reluctance to do a NG+ or even just replay it as a sorcerer or something is a bad sign. I was eager to do the same with the previous two.
>BBfags have been in damage control mode since DS3 release
>>338041827
We don't need to agree collectively. You can have your own opinion and decide for yourself. Don't subscribe to this group mentality.
It's the third best
>>338045262
I'm still eager to go into ng+ on a few of my characters. The main reason I stop myself is some of the bosses like soul of cinder, pontif, and aldrich. Feels like they are already incredible strong even on ng0. Cinder and aldrich feel like they would just get tedious to kill with all their hp unless I figured out a build to change to with rosario every time I fight them. I know all the games are like this in ng+ but this one feels worse especially in the upper ng's
>>338045598
ds3 is bad, but BB is even worse.
>>338045598
What does BB have to do with anything.
>>338049559
Disgusting taste. I bet you didn't even play BB
I will lay it out for you nice and simple, OP:
DS3 = BB > DS1 > DeS > DS2
>>338050120
3 is not as good as BB. Not even close. I wish it was.
>>338048226
Allegedly bosses are easier in NG+ so give it a try, you might be surprised.
>>338050071
I played vanilla BB, but didnt play the dlc, but I don't think that would change my mind either.
>>338050120
This
>>338050561
The dlc is the best part of the game
>>338050120
fixed
DS1 = BB > DS3 > DeS > DS2
>>338049559
not even good bait. Try again faggot.
DaS is slightly worse being the first iteration, not by much tho..
I enjoy 100% dark souls games. Not sure if I can do it on this one. Its so boring
>>338041827
>implying that any souls game is good
>>338050970
Funny, this is the first one i'm putting any genuine effort into 100%ing
3 isn't bad but like others have mentioned before it feels like it doesn't have its own identity. It spends so much time and effort trying to reference and be like the previous games to the point of almost being sickening at times. You can tell it was a knee jerk response to the criticism of DaS2 and they desperately trying to make up for it.
I'm not too impressed with the area design. A lot of boring areas both to go through and to just look at.
Mechanically the game feels better than 2 but the overall balance is a mess. Makes me particularly sad that they gutted magic so much.
>>338050837
not even bait it's my honest opinion
>>338050682
that seems to usually be the case with these games. Maybe someday I'll try it, but probably not anytime soon.
If anyone wants to know why BB is better than 3...Take walk through borreal valley and then walk through cainhurst. DaS3 literally feels incomplete compared to BB. The amount of love and effort that went into BB is unparalleled. Also..This is coming from someone completely unbiased. I was insanely hyped for 3. It just isn't on par with their best work.
>>338045598
>>338049559
>>338050561
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>>338051171
>insanely hyped
doesnt that usually make a game look worse than it is since they never live up to the hype?
DaS 3 > DeS > DaS > BB = DaS 2
This is objective and if you disagree you should kill yourself.
>>338050884
It's not and your writing is proof that you're retarded and probably didn't play or put more than several hours into it.
>>338051471
You literally haven't played BB
>>338050837
>opinions are bait
BBfags get so defensive over different opinions, it's hilarious
>>338051538
Sure. Everyone that has a negative view about Bloodborne hasn't played it.
>>338051471
probably one of the worst lists I've seen, good job.
>>338051592
>Cucked by Miyazaki
Its okay. Maybe your mommy will get you a Bloodborne machine for your birthday
>muh BB
Yeah, for one playthrough
DeS is the worst. It has aged terribly.
>>338041827
>/v/ does a thread like this about every new entry in every franchise
>People still reply
>>338051340
Well for while it didn't. For the first month i thought it was the best from game ever. Then I loaded up BB a few days ago and realized 3 was a step back in almost every way imaginable.
>>338051726
Not everyone. Just anyone who would put it on par with 2. Also, 3 is your favorite. That proves to me you definitely haven't played BB. 3 is literally BB lite.
>>338051726
Generally yes.
>>338050827
DS1 = BB = DS3 > DeS > DS2
does this settle any possible arguments?
>>338051949
I already have a Bloodborne machine, provided to me for free by friends. I bet you BBfags actually paid for you machine, bunch of friendless losers desu. The game is only worth one playthrough and the Old Hunters added only a few hours of extra content. Sorry your shallow game isn't liked by everyone.
>>338051949
But I own a PS4 anonand I like it.
I just think Dark Souls 3 is significantly better
>>338050120
FUCKING THIS
>>338052103
>Not everyone. Just anyone who would put it on par with 2. Also, 3 is your favorite. That proves to me you definitely haven't played BB. 3 is literally BB lite.
DaS 3 is literally nothing like BB, you are retarded. It's more like DeS if anything.
>>338052276
What about 3 is better than BB? I'd love to hear this.
>>338052236
that you are a fucking retard
>>338052103
>3 is literally BB lite.
Confirmed for not playing 3. Please spout your mindless drivel elsewhere.
>>338051928
You should probably kill yourself now.
>>338051171
Are you retarded? Cainhurst is literally the worst fucking location in Bloodborne, aside from the Lecture Hall. It's literally Chalice Dungeon tier and its outerior looks unfinished.
>>338052418
Haha? Really? I've beaten it twice? How is it so different? Enlighten me.
>>338052176
That's pretty delusional.
Fuck these neo /v/ fags coming out of the woodwork claiming that DS2 is one of the best games ever made ever.
DS3 IS A 10/10 GAME just get the fuck out guys.
DS1>DS3=BB>DeS>DaS2
BB+DLC=DaS+DLC>DaS3=BB>DaS>DeS>DaS2
Dark Souls 3 will be the best game in the series if the DLCs will be AotA/TOH tier.
>>338052509
Agreed. And even though it's the worst area in BB, it's still miles ahead of borreal.
>>338052535
The burden is on you, why don't you prove why 3 is BB lite?
no souls game is bad
>Its an imp spam level
>>338052394
Bosses and overall build variety (hurr durr, I keep getting scrubbed out by Estocfags so that means my build is unviable). The bosses especially which in my opinion was the peak of the series, Dark Souls 3 just felt like an improvement over Dark Souls 1 in every wayoutside of its linear structure.
I completed BB and it was my personal GoTY last year but it felt like a one and done deal, my second playthrough felt no different from my first and the expansion pack felt mandatory due to how little content there was compared to Dark Souls 3. I mean, there was around 15 weapons (on release) in Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 alone has 15 longswords, the clothing attire count was around 20-30 (which all were some variation of cloth) whereas Dark Souls 3 has around 70~. The amount of content was simply too limiting and the unique setting (that I personally didn't find too unique as i'm a huge Lovecraft fan and that's literally all the setting was) wasn't enough to put it over Dark Souls 3 to me.
I rank it
Dark Souls 3 > Bloodborne = Dark Souls 1 > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 2.I also found it significantly easier.
>>338052760
It's not at all. You're a complete retard.
>>338052842
Because Das3 puts emphasis on speed but doesn't have the combat to support it. BB knew what it was and did it well. DaS3 is trying to be BB and DaS at the same time and what you get with that is just a less exciting version of BB. The world of BB is also designed waaaaay better than 3.
>>338053274
>doesn't have the combat to support it
Git gud. All these types of misinformed posts do is prove that 99% of Bloodborneshills never played Demon Souls which was essentially a faster paced Dark Souls 1.
>>338053104
Not him but the bosses in 3 are a complete joke, not a single one is hard. Their transformation mechanics are shitty compared to BB too. The only boss in 3 that can hold its own against the greats in BB Is dragonslayer armor. Nameless king was such a dissapointment, another Piss easy artorias with telegraphed moves being extremely easy to dodge
>>338053170
Yes it is. Borreal is ugly and soulless when you get close to it. It looks good from a distance though.
>>338041827
I think it's the best one tbqh famalam
>>338053274
>faster swings
>weapon arts
>hyper armor
>rolls cost less stamina
>equipment load is more lenient
>doesn't have the combat to support
Ok, you're just retarded.
>>338053430
>Not him but I completely agree with everything he says
Kek, everytime.
> not a single one is hard
DSP disagrees
>>338053462
Maybe you should learn to not have shit opinions.
>>338053430
>Not him but the bosses in 3 are a complete joke, not a single one is hard. Their transformation mechanics are shitty compared to BB too. The only boss in 3 that can hold its own against the greats in BB Is dragonslayer armor. Nameless king was such a dissapointment, another Piss easy artorias with telegraphed moves being extremely easy to dodge
Complete nonsense, literally the only two hard bosses in Bloodborne are the first two (Father and Cleric). The rest are a snoozefest, it's hilarious how pathetic the difficulty curve in Bloodborne is.
Gundyhr (second form), Nameless King, Pontiff all kicked my ass more than ANY Soulsborne boss period.
There's a reason the only bosses Bloodbornefags talk about are Ludwig (DLC boss), it's because the maingame bosses were a fucking bore whereas there are countless Dancer/CHAMP/Nameless King/Pontiff and Abyss Watchers threads and will likely remain as such for months to come.
>>338053350
What? 3 was super easy for me though, which is why it was so boring.
>>338053104
Well I can't really argue with that. We all have our tastes. The bosses of 3 were definitely the highlight of the game for me. They were way too easy but their design and music were pretty great, generally.
>>338053984
Darkbeast paarl would like a word with you. Btw pontiff isn't even as hard as the shadow of yharnam.
>>338041827
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that OP is a shitposting cancerous faggot that should fuck off forever?
Can we agree that these threads are absolute garbage and that neo-/v/'s shitty attempts at forcing new games to be considered "blunders" is one of the worst things to happen to /v/ of all time?
Don't reply to pcucks who claim to have played Bloodborne until they post their psn ID and trophy list
As for your question OP,no Dark Souls 3 isn't the worst in the series,but it comes pretty close, here's how it is
Bloodborne>DaS>DeS>DaS3>DaS2
>>338054218
>What? 3 was super easy for me though, which is why it was so boring.
Majority of what i've seen disagrees, it's easy if you played it as your last souls games but it's objectively harder than every other vanilla souls game.
>Darkbeast paarl would like a word with you. Btw pontiff isn't even as hard as the shadow of yharnam
See I disagree, Pontiffs range/speed and unpredictable nature on top of his second form were a complete nightmare to me whereas Shadow of Yharn was a complete joke when I played him.
>Darkbeast paarl
What about him? Stay underneath him and you're golden, Go for his back legs, drop him and watch for his AoE. He's literally a slightly more challenging Vordt (Dark Souls 3s easiest boss)
>>338054951
Screencap DS3 in your steam library with this thread in the background
>>338041827
>Bonfires teleportation from the get go
It just makes exploring that much less fun. Oh you're running out of supplis and the dungeon is still far away? Don't worry, you can restock on the next bonfire. Hell, each bonfire refuels your estus to full. Gone are the days where a bonfire only recharges 5 or 10 estuses and you gotta WALK all the way back to Firelink to get that 20 estuses. I've never ran out of estus in this game and I can just spam arrows since I know if I run out I can always warp back and buy some more.
>Bonfires EVERYWHERE
This just made the above points worse. At least in DaS2 bonfires are few and far between, here you can literally see two bonfires from one spot (one is a boss bonfire and the other is the beginning of the next area bonfire). It just makes exploration trivial and turns it onto bonfire hopping speedrun.
>Linear path
Remember in DaS1 where you can start the game with Old Anor Londo? Or even DaS2 where you can go to the fire tower instead of forest of giants? Yeah forget about that. You have one path and one path only, and you even have a FUCKING INVISIBLE WALL that forces you from deviating from that path. No exploration, no different paths to take, no killing Aldritch before Undead Legion, no replayability. The game is no longer about exploring a dangerous and easy to lose oneself area and more about going from one boss to the next on a list. DaS2 may be a spider web, but DaS3 is a thread. You played this game once, you don't need to play it again.
>Everything is too centralized
I don't know who's bright idea was it to keep leveling up aspect of DaS2 but going back to firelink every time I want to level up is needlessly taxing. You're basically adding two loading screen in between level ups. Plus the fact that ALL merchants go to firelink makes exploration kind of moot. You will never pass through most areas since there's nothing of interest there anymore now that the merchants warp to firelink.
>>338055345
>when I played him
You haven't played BB
>>338054479
hear hear
>>338055432
>Bonfires teleportation from the get go
Dark Souls 1 was the only Souls game to not do this.
Way to debunk the rest of your post.
imo
DaS1 = DaS3 > BB >>> a stiff BBC in my boipussy >>> DaS2
>Dark Souls 3 isnt as bad as Dark Souls 2
At least the bosses in DS2 were difficult. They were cheap, but at least it wasnt embarassing whenever you won.
>>338055427
I play on PS4
>>338054218
>Btw pontiff isn't even as hard as the shadow of yharnam.
lmao
>>338055472
Not him, but shadow of Yharnam is a joke barely fit to be a mob enemy.
>>338054951
>Don't reply to pcucks who claim to have played Bloodborne until they post their psn ID and trophy list
My fucking sides
>>338055345
>hurr durr all these walkthroughs I read on bb I can use to trivialize and oversimplify boss mechanics ,you should too
>>338055472
I have played it to completion, you haven't played Bloodborne
>>338056007
Sure you have bud
>>338055952
>hurr durr all these walkthroughs I read on bb I can use to trivialize and oversimplify boss mechanics ,you should too
Name me a way to trivalize Nameless or Pontiff
>>338056105
Parry
>>338056007
>ps4
>no bb
Lol. Also clean your shit you dirty fuck. Figures someone with such shit taste would be a dirty mongoloid.
>>338056076
>>338056209
>Being this much in denial
You are truly pitiful.
>>338056209
>No BB
Don't have it on me. Completed it once, gave it to my lil bro.
>clean my PS4
Why, I have no use for it now that i've completed Bloodborne.I might pick up Uncharted 4 or Ratchet and Clank tho
>>338056317
I'm not the one lying about having played a game on an anonymous imageboard
>>338055345
Not him but paarl isn't that simple. His range is insane. Also his aoes are fast as fuck.
Bloodborne was good and I enjoyed it, but for some reason I never had the urge to play through it again like I do with the Souls games.
>>338056462
He really is if you're remotely good
>>338056381
So far, the other anon is the only one who has provided any sort of proof. Now's the part where you prove that you've played DS3
>>338056381
This
Continuation of
>>338055432
>Spells are useless and weapons are boring
They kept the bad aspects of DaS2 (above) but didn't even keep the dualwielding aspect of weapons. Plus magic, miracles and pyromancy feels underwhelming. In DaS2 hexes might be op, but magic now feels like a side arm instead of a main proficiency. You can't play as a mage anymore, you play as a guy swinging a (straight) sword who does magic. And with the removal of poise, there's no incentive to use slow lumbering weapon. You'd get stunlocked by enemies before the 1st swing because...
>The enemies came from Bloodborne
Someone had the bright idea of bringing the fast and overwhelming enemies of bloodborne here without speeding up the player character. What you have is now a couple of dogs that stunlocks you (no poise, remember?) and kill you before you have your first swing with your greatsword. This shit can fly in Bloodborne because dodging is faster and your attacks are quicker but DeS has always been about positioning and attacking at the right time. We now have the character using the short sword to deplete their stamina in a game of "stunlocking the enemies before they stunlock me". All in all, they sped everything up to be closer to BB without speeding you up. The game's not impossible to beat, just boring. The difficulty is now not on individual tricky enemies or difficult terrain, but how many enemies ganging up on you at once. Just switch your brain off and mash that R1 button without your straight sword.
>Relying too much on Dark Souls 1
There's barely anything original in this game. Nearly everything is a call back to DaS1 from armour to weapons to even enemies. DaS2 may have huge flaws, but at least it can stand up by itself. Here, everything feels like "REMEMBER THE FIRST GAME? WELL HERE IT IS AGAIN *wink*". And fucking mimic chests... It worked once or twice, not all the fucking time. Especially now that hitting chests don't break them.
>>338044870
??????????????????????????
DaS1 > BB = DeS > DaS3 > DaS2
>>338056364
>No reason to clean
Not him but fucking triggered. Clean your room you fucking slob
>>338056548
>no bb
>proof
Are you retarded?
>>338056638
Nah
>>338056668
Pic related from when I owned the game, I don't have it anymore because it's was a one and done deal.
Where's your DS3 proof
>>338056797
you know... if you actually did ever have it it would still be in you games list on the far right...
you could even post a new picture that shows it.
with the right date on and everything.
Finale
>>338056568
>Cheap and not that difficult bosses
Bosses in DaS2 were cheap, but at least they were hard. In here the bosses can be summed up by "easy while he still has 1st half of his health" followed by "hard when he's on the 2nd half but only the 1st time around." Sometimes it's different with them having two separate health pools. The only awesome boss was Champion Gundyr because he was legitimately challenging. You can't just roll to his butt and spam R1 till he dies. You need that timing and positioning to beat him. In fact, he's probably the best boss in the series with Fatty and Slim. But the rest of the bosses are "find his weak spot (usually his butt/back) and hit it before he slowly turns around and smack you or do an AoE attack on you." It's that or it's a gimmick boss like Yhorm (yes From, DeS storm ruler boss, we got it) or Wholnir. It's as if the people who designed the bosses of DaS2 made the bosses here.
>All in all, I gave this game9/10 would preorder twice.
>>338057151
>STILL no DS3 evidence
Nah, i'm done proving anything to you. You know I own a PS4, why would I (as a Soulsfan) have a PS4 if I didn't play Bloodborne on it.
>>338055432
You know you could kindle any bonfire and get 20 from every single one of them, right?
>>338057581
Yeah but you need to do that on each bonfire. So you designate one bonfire per area to be the "full" bonfire, instead of "buff once for all of them".
>Demons Souls
7/10, with a really good story/lore base, but now fairly dated and less challenging, which creates an overall less engaging and memorable experience, worlds 2, 4 and 5 are also fairly worse than worlds 1 and 3. It's worth noting however, that demons souls has spectacular level design.
Dark Souls 7.5/10
A good improvement on demons souls in terms of memorable boss design, and overall more challenging bosses. The area flow is also very nice, and the overall world design is unmatched by any game in the series in terms of verticality. The lore is also significantly engaging and works better than demons souls in terms of player discovery and theory crafting
Unfortunately, the second half of the game is significantly worse than the rest, dukes archives feels hollow and unrealised, the first seath fight is unnecessary, and should have been something else. Seath himself isn't great, lost izalith is unfinished with missing textures. And tomb of the giants feels less realised as well.
AotA: 10/10
A compliment world design to dark souls base game, feels very living and fleshed out with four fantastic bosses, not much else to say.
Dark Souls 2: 5/10
Muddy, broken and much less realised, with significantly worse level design and questionably simple boss design for 80% of the game. A story that relies on characters that were fleshed out after the game's release.
Shulva: 8/10
Although the graverobbers aren't the best boss, elana is fairly interesting mechanically, and sinh is great, but it's the level design which puts this above, it's utilises what the player sees fantastically, and genuinely feels like you are exploring a massive temple cavern with tons of shortcuts/interactive level design.
cont.
>>338057921
Brume Tower: 9/10
Vertical level design at it's peak, the logical realised lifts/giant chains, and two of the best bosses in it's game, fume knight and sir alonne, this remains some of the most memorable content in the series, a shame then, the challenge route was particularly bad, although not enough to distract the rest.
Frozen Eleum Loyce: 6/10
Although the large scale area design is certainly impressive after dark souls 2's base game, eleum loyce relies too much on similar enemie encounters to the previous 2 dlc's, and feels in many ways, like it's somewhat rushed. The challenge route is particularly bothersome, the respawning enemy shouldn't respawn, and should instead feel like natural compliments to the somewhat unique and welcome open scale level design, they could have expanded on the history here, but leave it as a challenge route instead, somewhat disappointingly. Aava is good, but visually uninspired, lud and zallen are awful and arguably define how not to design a dark souls boss. Ivory King himself is a visually outstanding and memorable fight, but the additional enemies gimmick does get somewhat tiresome.
Bloodborne: 6.5/10
Heavily frontloaded as a game, the first third up to amelia, including old yharnam is very consistent, and very appealing, but it's the areas after which never really evolve from bloodborne's horror aesthetic reliant game design, and never really evolve that much in interesting encounter design that detriment the game, the bosses along this way in addition are far less interesting, shadows, rom, the one reborn, hemwick witches, celestial emissary, micolash and mergo's wet nurse in particular being questionable choices for mid-late game additions. I feel the streamlined approach is both the games biggest compliment, but also it's biggest detriment, the faster melee, at the expense of large scale utility and offensive "magic", armour variety, armour use, bows (outside of the dlc), rings, and weight changes.
Cont.
>>338053984
Except that's wrong, ebrietas is harder than those 2 as well as any das3 boss, so are gherman and logarius
I'm not even gonna mention the defiled chalice bosses
>>338058008
The Old Hunters: 8/10
Two fantastic bosses, one great one, laurence himself is horrendous, and the living failures are mediocre. The are design is welcomed, but doesn't flow well (but this is justified in a way by the lore), and only the hamlet evolves BB's potential significantly.
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
Boss design that begins less challenging (but still mechanically complex and well thought), before testing the players with the abyss watchers, a well defined sense of structure that doesn't fall apart, with the early-abyss watchers, carthus-yhorm and lothric castle/archdragon peak 3 act like structure most players will play through, the area design remains strong and varied throughout, with tons of shortcuts and interesting pick ups that making exploring worth it. The world design is very strong in a sense of visual continuity, the point at high wall where you look at the entire world actually shows every single outside location in the game other than firelink, which is really quite unprecedented for these games, the constant use of sound visual references between areas is also very nice. but it's certainly not as interconnected as dark souls 1 or bloodborne, which is somewhat disappointing, although also somewhat contributes to why the game doesn't fall apart like Dark Souls 1 and bloodborne. The bosses generally all feel both purposeful in the world, and unique visually, mechanically, atmospherically and musically, which is a huge plus. While some of the games bosses are simple, like yhorm, deacons and the ancient wyvern, it feels like they made a special effort in this game not to make anything as shitty as the ancient dragon, rom, micolash, the one reborn, bed of chaos or dragon god.
>>338041827
Nah
It's fairly uninspired but most of the bosses are really good and the gameplay itself is great. Has a pretty great OST as well
From a pure PvE perspective I'd say it's better than DaS2 at least but I do like that game a lot as well
>>338058045
>Except that's wrong, ebrietas is harder than those 2 as well as any das3 boss, so are gherman and logarius
DSP found them easy enough whereas died to Gundyhr alone 50 times.
Way to out yourself as literally worse than DSP
>>338053984
Damn nigga nice joke
DaS3 bosses are a snoozefest after playing BB, and that's not even including how much harder Chalice Dungeon bosses are than anything else in the series
i think video game is the worst video game
>>338041827
Demons Souls - It was great
Dark Souls - Awesome
Dark Souls 2 - Has so much to it but does nothing great and fucks up on PVP big time
BB - Not played it but looks fast and fresh
Dark Souls 3 - Out of ideas, very short game.
>>338058045
Nameless King, Twin Princes, Soul of Cinder, Pontiff Sulayvahn and Champion Gundyr were all for me personally, far, far harder than anything in bloodborne's main game content.
By comparison in Bloodborne, Ludwig came close to some of them in difficulty, whereas orphan of kos exceeded them.
The Defiled chalice bosses I'll seperate though, because it is kind of unfair to compare them, as you are heavily gimped.
But generally, if you follow the strategy (letting amygdala jump, or circling without lock on with the hotdog) they become fairly trivial.
Although I imagine similar strategies would exist for dark souls 3 type bosses, should be put in a gimped state against them.
>>338058115
>bb 6
>Das3 9
>liking 3s world design
Gross.
>arguing which boss is harder when it's different for everyone
>>338058327
Dark souls 3 has the best world design of the entire series.
>>338058254
WOOWW
It was actually 43 whole attempts at pontiff, and 69 attempts with gundyr, ridiculous.
Nameless King was approaching the 40 mark or so as well including the attempts early in the playthrough and the later ones, but he eventually caved in and summoned.
It's important to remember that by comparison with ludwig in the dlc, he hadn't played the game for like 6 months, whereas in dark souls 3 he had the entire game to play and was still horrendous.
>>338058327
>gives actual detailed explanations and reasoning behind his score
>"Gross" is your refute
Bloodbornefags everyone
>>338051592
source
>>338058254
>Muh dsp
How about an actual argument? Dsp is autistic and uses summons to carry him
>>338058289
>Damn nigga nice joke
What's a joke is Bloodbornes difficulty. DSP finished it in under 120 deaths.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/03/02/dark-souls-3a-bloodborne-fans-perspective
"I eventually presumed my time with Bloodborne had mapped my brain irreversibly (I of course chose to blame everything but myself), and gave up."
TL;DR
>Bloodborne babbie tries out Dark Souls
>tries to button mash his way through the enemies and gets fucking rekt
>gives up
Lel
>Tfw going back and playing through SotFS
>Its better than 3
Man 3 just feels so uninspired
At least 2 has brand new areas and lore to explore
>>338057921
>Not liking world 5
M8 I'll fite you.
Valley of Defilement is amazing at being a shithole, has atmosphere approaching Latria, and 5-2 is an amazing level all around. It's also best in its class compared to the overly videogamey Blighttown and the borefest that is the Gutter.
>>338058254
Dsp quit TOH at ludwig, he got through everything else in souls
By your standard of DSP, you admit bloodborne is harder than das3 ( he didn't even do chalices btw)
>>338058570
He gave no reason as to why he liked the world design. It's ugly and boring. Literally every level in the game is a repeat of something from other souls games. It's a joke.
>>338053984
Those bosses are "hard" because poise doesn't exist in the game when it should
Also NK is fucking easy shit bruh. You forgort Orphan of Kos as well.
BB with DLC > DaS3 > DaS > DeS > DaS2
DaS3 will most likely be the best once its DLC comes out and they finish all of their patching
>>338058714
Why are you using some stupid e-celeb as a barometer for difficulty?
Especially one known for being "bad" and then somehow not being as bad the next minute
Fuck off
>>338058714
>What's a joke is Bloodbornes difficulty. DSP finished it in under 120 deaths.
after duping to level 90 in the beginning of the game
gave up on the first boss of the dlc and never finished it
>>338058905
see
>>338058115
>the area design remains strong and varied throughout, with tons of shortcuts and interesting pick ups that making exploring worth it. The world design is very strong in a sense of visual continuity, the point at high wall where you look at the entire world actually shows every single outside location in the game other than firelink, which is really quite unprecedented for these games, the constant use of sound visual references between areas is also very nice. but it's certainly not as interconnected as dark souls 1 or bloodborne, which is somewhat disappointing, although also somewhat contributes to why the game doesn't fall apart like Dark Souls 1 and bloodborne.
You just looked at the scores, didn't you?Fucking cuck
>you will never elect yourself the Rape Pope and mutilate entire nations for shits and giggles
>>338053984
I killed all 3 of those in under 4 tries, the harder bosses in BB killed me around 10 times in the main game (ludwig and orphan even more)
Nameless king is another artorias with Piss easy attacks to dodge, not sure why people have trouble with him
I guess I should mention I don't abuse parrying in BB because that's like using magic in souls, it just makes things too easy
>>338059054
>b-but the DEE ELL CEE
He gave up on Nameless King and summoned (even then he died 4-5 times). Nice one, confirming that you literally need the DLC to make the game even somewhat hard.
>>338059053
>take my anecdotal evidence
>don't use other examples
>>338051028
Because it's so fucking easy to do.
>>338059239
>I killed all 3 of those in under 4 tries
I completed every Bloodborne boss on my first try, SL1 whereas I died on every Dark Souls 3 boss 20+ times despite soul duping and summoning:^)
DaS > DaS3 > any of the others in any order > DaS 2
30 fps sucks dick but DaS 2 sucks dick much worse.
Game runs like shit on my pc, especially in the dragon aerie 2.0 area.
i'm a technological retard, how can I make sure the game is playing at 1080p or even 720p instead of anything higher? i have a hunch this might be why my performance is so shit.
I havent had problems with any other games that came out this year
>>338059115
Lol if you think any of that means anything. Everything there is vague meaningless bull shit.
>>338058470
That's retarded. Best world design goes to DaS. I think you're taking for granted what they achieved there. There's nothing like it, and they probably won't produce anything like it again.
BB w/DLC > DS3 = BB(base) > DS1 > DeS > DS2
>>338059310
You're ignoring that he used the dupe glitch to get to end game levels in BB in the beginning
>>338058637
>Being this new
>>338059527
Unless you have a monitor with a resolution over 1080, you would have to jump through hoops to get it to run at a higher resolution than native.
>>338059618
So does that mean DS3 with DLC > BB with DLC
>>338059426
Ok but I was being serious
I played normally with a faith build, using blessed rapier/lightning estoc
>>338059702
I'm trying to play on a lower one, though, to increase my fps.
my monitor is 1920x1200
I'll lay it to you, OP.
DeS=DaS=DaS2=BB=DaS3
>>338059892
if you're on 1920x1200 you do NOT want to play on 1080 or 720. Aspect ratios are different. either you will have black bars, or things will warp and look bad. either way, bad news.
>>338059701
Everyone was new at some point.
>>338060571
I don't have a problem playing in a window if it means I can get above 10fps in combat
>>338041827
if I go by hours played on steam
Ds2: Scholar of the first sin > DS3 > DS1 >DS2 vanilla
>>338061371
By my hours then, it goes DaS2 > BB > DaS > DeS > DaS3
Why don't we do power rankings by hours instead in the future? That's a lot more interesting
The last 2 mini patch fucked the game, i ran it smoothly and now i get freezes and crashes. Fuck From after 4 fucking souls they still can't make their game working right.
>>338062672
Because if we do so, we lose around 90% shitposters.
DaS3 = DaS > DeS > DaS2
Haven't played Bloodborne because LOL PS4
>>338062884
LOL at this post
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Dark > Dark 3 > Demon's > massive powergap > Dark 2
Haven't played BB.
They all suck except for demons souls and bloodborne
>>338045598
(You)
DeS>BB>DaS2>DaS>DaS3
>>338041827
No, it's the best.
DS1>BB>DS3>DES>DS2
fite me
>>338041827
how about you enjoy a video game for its merits? or dont and keep your fat mouth shut because no one cares faggot
>>338041827
>need to plead with /v/ about agreeing this shitty boring game is actually just shit
>not realizing souls has always has been shit from the start
hurrrrr u good asian from war of many dying spirit.. so humble with overbearing darkness at great capacity. your soul is not the emperor to be allowed emotions without permission. but darkness in china is still everywhere around you
>u climb up ladder to next level
>suddenly a video game journalist appears
"10/10, MOST IMMERSIVE LADDER!! THIS TRANSIENT REALM OF WIND AND GHOSTS IS AMAZING!! ALL THE NPCs MUTTER RANDOM CRYPTIC BULLSHIT AT ME AND THE FOOTSTEP SOUND EFFECTS ARE REALLY LOUD (THIS ADDS IMMERSION AND IS NOT RETARDED AND ANNOYING) !!!" - IGN
>u swing sword at enemy
11/10, "GROUND BREAKING, AMAZING COMBAT MIAZAKI DOES IT AGAIN!!!! THIS IS TOTALLY NOT BASIC LOW BUDGET COMBAT WITH MINOR JAP SHIT THROWN IN " - Steam reviews + Neogaf
please stop this cancer of yellow asian piss
I'm not sure if it's the damage mitigation system or what, but the game should just be called "Straight Swords and Great axe." Why the fuck would you ever use a claymore or whatever to do 25 more damage as the straight sword when the straight sword uses less stamina and could have swung twice in the same amount of time? Absolute trash.
No, because it's not Dark Souls 2.
>>338063182
ds2 dlc gets bretty good m8
BB = DeSo = DS >> DS3 >>>>>>>>>> DS2
Bloodborne,Demon's and Dark are all equally amazing.
DS3 is a decent follow up.
DS2 is garbage.
Only arguments I hear against it are
>no identity
>no charm
>not connected
>no poise
Most of those are just buzzwords except the part about poise and maybe being connected but only one freaking game in the series did that.
BB with DLC is a better game than launch DaS3. However, launch DaS3 is a better game than launch BB. BB on launch was awful, had 1 min+ loading times, weapons with broken damage, and really useless magic. The PvE is great but the PvP feels even more tacked on than Souls games and BBs movement mechanics make all your fights feel samey. DaS3 pvp even with all its unbalance, is better than BBs pvp.
Everyone saying "it relied on DaS1 too much" or "too many references", well, unlike DaS2 this game is an ACTUAL sequel, and it is intended to be the last one. Therefor, they need to tie up lose ends and finish storylines. The fuck did you expect? It's not a new IP you twats.
dark souls 2 is the worst one and everyone knows that so stop fucking posting
ITT DaS3 fags trying to pretend their game is relevant in any way shape or form, even after only 1 month of its release
Yesterday's poll has proven everyone actually thinks DaS1 and BB are the best, they were on par even though less than half of Souls fans on /v/ have played BB in the first place, it's outstanding how well it did in the poll.
DaS3 is so fucking middle-of-the-road it makes me disgusted. DaS2 at least was shit enough to be the laughing stock of the series, DaS3 can't even manage to be memorable in that bad. But it isn't good either. It's just.... there. It's the unbuttered bread of Souls games.
It's not shit bread. It's just bread. It does it job at being bread, it might even be good bread in someone's mind, I don't know. But that's that, it's bread.
DaS2 is a piece of dog shit you step on while walking and get angry at. At least you remember the experience.
>>338065074
>Dark Souls 3 isn't memorable
I don't know why you'd feel that way when it actually had some of the most memorable bosses of the entire series, e.g. Dancer, Oceiros, Twin Princes and Nameless King.
>>338064941
Yeah, after both DLCs I think DS3 will be neat, maybe the best in the whole series. I just hope they don't rush things.
>>338064972
>Therefor, they need to tie up lose ends and finish storylines
But it doesn't do any of that. It's just brainless references to the first game.
>>338065074
This is what I mean by buzzwords. Nothing you said was a real argument.
>>338065074
>yesterdays poll has proven how sonyggers and pcucks will fight against eachother
>>338065000
Trips confirm
>>338065368
>Not muh large beast #6
Ludwig is only great because of the second phase, if it was only that shit beast phase.
>>338065656
I named Oceiros as memorable just because of all his inane dialogue. Very few Souls bosses say shit during their fight, so it's always interesting when they do.
>>338041827
Dark Souls >= Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 3
Dark Souls 2 took one step back for every step forward it made. Being a sequel of a great game, it had big shoes to fill and the lack of consistent improvement left people disappointed.
Dark Souls 3, on the other hand, took 2 steps back for every step forward. The amount of terrible design decisions is staggering compared to the amount of genuine improvements.It's still fun though, albeit less so than DS2
>>338065480
you already know the arguments, they have been made numerous times, it's just that you disagree with them and that's fine.
No one can say a word about DaS3 because it'll be a buzzword to you. "reused assets" "pandering" "fanservice" "80% of all equipment is the same"
It's like every single thing triggers you and we must step carefuly around such words in order to qualify as an argument
Any time a new game comes out, contrarian, cynical retards scramble to call it the worst thing ever and people who enjoy it dumb.
It's amazing how consistently pathetic you faggots are.
>>338066108
That's because the first three are actually buzzwords. DSIII feels like a true sequel because it references events from the previous game that's how a sequel works typically.
80% of all equipment being the same has applied to every souls game since demon's. There really aren't any good arguments against DSIII because it is genuinely a good game.
>>338065656
I would honestly say ludwig's first phase is somewhat overrated.
If it wasn't for his awkwardly delayed and camera wonky charge and jumping attacks, he'd be easier, but more importantly much more fun.
>even DS2 contrarians are starting to apologize for bashing the superior Dark Souls 2
Let that sink in...
>>338054479
Truth ahead
>>338066454
I didn't. Fuck DS2.
>>338066441
Sounds like you just need to learn him better m8.
>>338065074
There is not a single thing DaS1 does better than 3 aside from having a more interconnected world that is structured like a spiderweb, as opposed to 3's treebranch approach to level design, but that alone is not enough to make it a strictly superior game. DaS3 has just flat out better bosses with more elaborate and complex attack patterns It has more agressive regular mooks (save for those that were copypasted from previous games) that actually try to pose some kind of danger and are not just backstab pillows like the overwhelming majority of mobs in previous souls installments. While the levels are less interconnected between each other, they are far more interconnected themselves than areas from other games, namely because there are less areas in the game total, but they are larger. The post-release balance is also nowhere near as bad as other games after their release, the only outright "broken" thing the game had was the pseudo-infinite storm sword combo and it was fixed in less than a week. Baffles me how most people seem to have forgotten by now how horrible other games were post-release, especially shit like body buff SMS, binoboosting and such. Some of the shit (like most game-breaking stuff in DeS) never was fixed in the first place, yet people are remembering pushlocking, headbuttlocking and running firestorm shittery with a nostalgic smile, for some reason.
And all the arguments in favour of 1 end up being "well it had great atmosphere!" and "it was memorable, i liked it". Yes, DaS3 is a very "safe" sequel that did not deviate from the established formula to keep things fresh enough, but it is still a strictly superior game in terms of gamepaly and mechanics than DaS1/2. New age souls games (BB, DaS3) > Old age souls games (DeS, DaS, DaS2).
pve: DaS>DaS3=BB>DaS2=DeS
pvp: DaS2>DaS>DaS3=BB>DeS
>>338066573
Stop pretending, you're not impressing anybody.
>>338041827
It's literally my favorite out of the series, I started with DaS1 which I loved, I enjoyed DaS2 but 3 really blows them both out of the water.
>>338041827
We can all agree on this bait
>>338045795
hah, i bet you don't even support islam
>Some people still hate DaS2
Wow.
>>338064614
>no poise
Poise loonatics are by far the most deluded of the bunch, especially those vouching for FROM "turning on" the poise in the game files.
People don't understand that turning it on without a total overhaul/rebalancing of the system will just ruin the game, completely and utterly.
Picture related.
>>338067087
"B-but muh punishless r1 spam!"
>>338067087
Yeah and in my opinion hyper armor makes up for it. It's more fun.
>>338067069
>some people are mentally damaged
Wow.
>>338067087
It's retarded that they have an entire stat which is tracked and has items that specifically boost it, but does literally nothing. What's more, it reduces the entire appeal of heavy armor to just damage reduction, which is hardly worthwhile compared to reinvesting all those points you put in vitality to other stats.
You're right, reintroducing poise would require an overhaul, but that just begs the question of why they didn't just do that in the first place.
>>338041827
The only objective ranking is:
DS, DeS, DS 3, DS 2, BB
>>338063720
Anon are you okay?
>>338067879
Yes but remember next time, it's "<" not ","
>>338064240
You couldn't get more pleb if you tried
>>338050120
Overall:
BB > DaS1 > DeS = DaS3 > DaS2
Art design:
BB > DeS >>> DaS1 = DaS3 >>> DaS2
>>338067656
Why do you even post this
>>338067997
You meant ">" right?
This is the only right order:
DS > DeS > DS 3 > DS 2 > BB
>>338041827
Yeah, DS3 didnt bring much to the table in terms of innovation, it also undid a lot of the good that DS2 brought.
>>338044170
DS1 is good pve, but the pvp is unpolished as fuck.
>>338068476
BB being that low discards your opinion completely
bosses:
ds3>bb>ds1>das2>des
levels:
das3>des>bb>das>das2
world:
das>das3>bb>des>das2
magic:
das2>das3>das>des>bb
weapons:
das3=bb>das2>das>des
armour:
das2>das3>das>des>bb
healing:
das3>das2>das>bb>des
quality throughout:
das3>des>bb>das>das2
npcs:
das3>des>das>das2>bb
area variety:
das2>das>das3>des>bb
graphics:
bb>das3>das>das2>des
>>338068386
To trigger 'special' people like you.
>>338068941
>bosses:
>ds3>
Stopped reading there
>>338067832
>It's retarded that they have an entire stat which is tracked and has items that specifically boost it, but does literally nothing
Eh, From's incompetence is nothing new.
DaS1 had resistance.
DeS had luck, which was also useless aside from 1 (one) weapon.
>What's more, it reduces the entire appeal of heavy armor to just damage reduction,
That's the thing though with the Yhorm's Greatshield.
If poise was just turned on as it is, it would make heavy armor even less appealing because full havels grant you 37 (actually around 32-35 because of diminishing returns) poise for almost 60 points of weight, but Yhorm's gives you whopping 45 poise for 20 (TWENTY) weight units. It would shift the meta even more towards greatshield turtling, while heavier weapons would largely stay the same because they already have hyperarmour. It's absolutely busted and I hope FROM will never listen to reddit and turn it on.
>but that just begs the question of why they didn't just do that in the first place
Because they cant.
FROM are a bunch of idea guys. Pretty much all their great decisions have been just a shot in the dark.
>>338041827
No, 2 was much much worse
>>338069040
>
Stopped reading there.
>>338069105
You obviously didn't, and your opinion is trash, you are also reading this
>>338050120
DS2 in last place is a surefire way to detect shit taste
>Boss, we have poise all set up and working and set up the proper values for armors and rings
>Disable it
>Wh... but...
>DISABLE IT
>>338068941
>Bosses
BB=DeS>DaS2>DaS3>DaS
>World Design
BB>DeS>DaS>DaS2>DaS3
>Story/Lore
DeS>BB>DaS2>DaS>>DaS3
>Music
DeS=BB>DaS>DaS2=DaS3
>Overall
DeS>BB>DaS2>DaS>DaS3
>>338068941
>demon's souls
>not first in world and NPCs
Say what you want about the rest of the game, it had absolutely godlike atmosphere, characters and art direction. Nothing has come close, except maybe BB but BB is grey and samey as fuck.
>>338069210
>Anonymous
Stopped reading there.
>>338068992
You are too mentally retarded for this, sorry
>>338069323
Defending DS2 is a sure fire way to get replies
DaS = BB > DaS2 > DaS3 = DeS
>>338069361
nice headcanon bro
>>338041827
offline DS1>DS2>DS3
online DS2>>>>DS3>>DS1
>>338068857
BB was such a downgrade gameplay wise.
They removed diverse builds and but them into a couple of blank archetypes that just spam r1 anyway.
It was babies first souls game so streamlined that doing something wrong is nearly impossible.
>Armour completely meaningless
>One way (r1) to play the game regardless of weapon
>No magic
>One monotone design for all areas
List goes on
I honestly can't believe anyone was defending that embarrassment.
>>338069480
Stop baiting or being that stupid, everyone knows that das2 has a lot of improvements and best pvp even for these days
>>338069472
Nah, it looks like I succeeded just right.
>>338069748
Here, another reply
>>338042660
This.
Ds1>Ds2=Demons>Ds3
I've put 100s of hours into every game other than Ds3. Ds3 to me is the shitty world design of 2, but without the great viable build variety, with less weapon classes, less bosses, less covenants, less zones, almost no new mechanics while removing old working mechanics, and while also being by far the most linear.
>>338069361
>not DISABURR IT
>>338069361
And thank fucking god for that, not only the game would be broken with enabled poise, but it just adds nothing of worth to the game. People keep saying retarded shit like "it makes heavy weapons viable", but ironically, DaS1 has the absolute worst greatweapons in the series in terms of viability, and is also the only game in the series with functioning poise.
>>338069942
Why do you lie on the internet? Ds2 is the only soul's game with a functioning poise system.
>>338069763
>Anime reaction pic
oh, i was right
>>338069942
>DaS1 has the absolute worst greatweapons in the series in terms of viability
hahahah what the fuck are you talking about retard
greatweapons are by far the best weapons in the game for pve and pvp
>>338066620
THOSE FUCKING GRAPHICS LMAO
>>338053984
Cleric Beast is a reskinned giant that can't hit you worth shit, and Gascoine can both be stunlocked with the axe, and stands completely still for 10 seconds after whiffing an attack.
That said though, none of the Souls bosses are actually hard, and the only reason they prove to be difficult is because Dark Souls 3 thinks it's Bloodborne, and bosses are designed around a fast stamina regeneration system similar to Bloodborne, which doesn't exist in DaS3.
>>338069942
>broken with enabled poise
>in the game where dogs and rats can stunlock you
>every single hit in PvP can be followed up with another, guaranteeing you taking at least one more hit
>the rock lizards in arch dragon peak, holy shit
Disabling poise was a mistake. It isn't as fast of a game as Bloodborne, I don't know why they made this choice.
>>338066620
>when you nut but she still suckin
>>338066620
s-s-so this is the power of ps4
>>338070484
inb4 >git gud xD
>>338041827
Nah. It's the best "Dark Souls." Not as good as Bloodborne and Demon's Souls, but better than the other Dark games.
I didn't think i'd prefer it over DaS1, but what it lacks in inter-connectivity, it makes up in not having Crystal Cave/Demon Ruin/Lost Izalith/Bed of Chaos/Nito/Seath/Tomb of the Giants/Royal Wood/ Oolacile Township. Dark Souls has a really strong first half, but it's second half has some of the worst shit in all of gaming, some of which is so unforgivably shit (Lost Izalith/Bed of Chaos) that it drags down the entire game by proxy.
>>338053784
DSP ragequit the chalice dungeons and ragequit The Old Hunters DLC. He didn't ragequit at all through DaS3.
>>338070118
It was there, but it was barely worth it because 2handing your weapon doubled your poise damage, and all players recieved x3 poise damage solely on the merit of being player characters, making it physically impossible to poisetank through certain weapons.
t. a haveltaur
Thankfully, UGS and a couple of other weapons had hyperarmour frames.
>>338070293
No, they were sightparrybait/bsbait and only useful for fishing and bullying pveshitters.
Factually, if you space yourself right, you can rollbs a zwei swing, guaranteed, 100% of the time.
>>338070484
>every single hit in PvP can be followed up with another, guaranteeing you taking at least one more hit
>every single
That's wrong though. Depending on your animation cycle you can escape the second hit. But besides that, yes, that is true. And why is that a bad thing? It can be applied to, again, every game in the series save for one.
>It isn't as fast of a game as Bloodborne
People overestimate how fast bloodborne is.
In fact, a basic longsword is even a tiny bit faster than the untransformed saw cleaver. And the main merit of Good Hunter's dash is having less wakeup frames at the end of the animation, meaning you can get in action slightly faster. Otherwise it's not that different to a roll, which is also present in Bloodborne.
But overall it's not enough of a disparity in speed to claim that the game is broken and not enabling poise was a mistake. Having it turned on would be far, far worse for reasons I've already stated.
