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>New game will follow suit with XIII, being 3 full size games
>One reason cited for multiple parts was so SqEn"did not have to cut any of the original content "
>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
>Gameplay in current trailers looks very similar and FPS looks garbage, much the same as the PLATINUM demo
It's what the people want, but is it what should happen?
Is this game going to be a total clusterfuck or will it make its mark, as many people want it to?
Anything I've missed about this game, post it.
it's probably gonna be a clusterfuck, but it doesn't really look similar to xv and i wouldn't judge anything based on the gameplay seen in the trailers, it's probably already very different.
they're apparently going to take liberties with it, which is fine, but if they put in genesis and angeal and shit i just don't fucking know mang. they were only necessary to fill out the prequel. they'll just turn the remake into a bloated, incoherent mess
>>338035604
I just meant the current trailers they have similarities. Its supposedly more like Kingdom Hearts. Which isfine
>>338035334
>It's what the people want
No. The people wanted a remake, not a reimagining. Its a different game with a coat of FF7 paint on it.
>>338035864
I would gather that most of the fans who saw it revealed got a boner.
Personally, I think nostalgia isn't always a good thing.
>>338035334
post content that you think will get cut off:
>fort condor, muh budget
>dating barret
>dolphin jumping in junon
>snowboarding
>plot attempt to impregnate aeriswith red xiii
>tifa's big tits
>swearing at shera
>orthopedic underwear
>submarine minigame
>>338036165
In addition to those:
>Swearing in general
>AerisITS BEEN RETCONNED GET OVER IT
>Gold saucer (?)
>Escape from Midgar mini game (?)
Athough I don't see why tits are a problem. JRPGs are usually consistent with that kind of thing.
THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN
>>338036729
it already did
>>338036858
You're a real funny guy...Was gonna use a movie quote, but that's shit
>>338036858
Better example
>>338036165
>No Nobuo on music
ATB sucks ass anyway
>>338035334
Unreal Engine
Still waiting for the "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series" dlc announcement
>Yuffie's short gets buttoned
OR
>Tifa loses her skirt, gets shorts instead and tits are slightly smaller
Pick one.
>>338037674Vincent and Yuffie will be dlc
>>338037674
Literally Lol'd
>>338036165
>plot attempt to impregnate aeris with red xiii
yo to be real though that always struck me as weird as hell. why the fuck would hojo, a man of science even think that'd work ever. i mean i get he's kind of insane but still.
>>338035334
>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
Shit thread you b8 is shit try harder 2/10
>>338037372
All they have to do is orchestrate the synth stuff. Do they even need another soundtrack for this game?
>>338037825
I did say "almost"
Not b8n m8,stay str8
>>338037776
Squeenix pls
>>338037797
Naw, he just wanted to splice em together in his big machine.
Right ?
>>338037797
he wanted to see how a dog fucks an alien, who wouldn't want to watch that?
>>338037674
>Featuring Dante from DmC: Devil May Cry
>>338035334
>play it first on playstation 4
god that was so pathetic to witness, sony is so poor they can't even afford exclusives anymore
>>338035334
Dropped.
>>338035864
>Faggots wanted a remake
Fixed that for you. How sad is a person who would rather pay $60 for a game he's already played over an entirely new game (or not buying anything at all)?
>>338037797
>a man of science
Science is literally putting things togheter until something happens with the experimental method, he had two alien species that had the qualities he wanted, if impregnation wouldn't work he would've gone with artificial ovulation or some shit, just going by stages man, you never know.
There's simply not enough original game to fill 3 full size games.
FF7 has always been the nostalgia cash cow that they refused to do anything with for a long time. Now they're finally doing it they're going to capitalise on that nostalgia cash.
I don't blame them for doing it this way. It's the smart business decision. Unfortunately they're probably going to VA everything to pad out disk space and attempt to justify the 3 game schtick as a data capacity issue.
The first will be decent but short, complaints of not enough content expected.
The second will be good on content but feel ultimately pointless in terms of story progress.
The last game and all the endgame content will be panned for being too easy as the difficulty ramp will reset with each instalment.
File continuation between games will be present but pointless with no real reward or reason to do so.
Will it be good by today's standards? Absolutely.
It can never live up to expectations though because what many would feel should be done with it, would not fly in current markets.
This game is not so much aimed at the nostalgia as it is those who could not go back and play it due to the dated graphics (as dumb a reason that is). Nostalgiabux are pure bonus to them, they're the unemployed marketing machine for it.
>>338039221
wasn't the original game 3 discs? I remember that the game was pretty damn long, if they want to 3Dtize the whole thing it would be pretty fucking huge, like a 180 gb game.
>>338039134
At least you're admitting it has nothing to do with the original.
>>338039134
but it's not the same game redone, they've said multiple times that they want to retell the story from scratch and not simply rethread it
>>338039356
Yes it was, but it was not a long/large game because of that. It was a pretty typical RPG length at the time.
>>338035334
fuck no, it's not what should happen, this game makes me so fucking mad, this is not FF7, this is an unholy abomination that is an ugly mixture of advent children and FF15 with all the little touch and funny stuff that made FF7 a classic in the first place sucked away in the name of pretty next gen movies
this is what the FF7 remake should have looked like
>>338039356
It only takes about 40 hours to beat the game on average. Most of the disc space went to the FMV's, the final disc itself was just the final area FMV's.
It would be hard to justify 2 full sized games, a set up like MGSV had is much more likely if we want to talk about all the content. First game is $30 and covers everything up the first Continent. The Second Game is everything else.
>>338039959
If they go the TPP/GZ route then they should logically end the first one with leaving Midgar/arriving at Kalm
>>338035334
Still gonna buy it. Stay mad
>>338039369
And you admit that you're essentially a graphics whore willing to pay full price for a game simply because it's shiny?
>>338039468
That's what I said.
>>338040159
Not mad. Generating a discussion on points that I have expressed as an opinion.
You seem cool. Don't become a shitlord
>>338035334
I don't care what they do.
I never wanted a remake.
I knew it would be action shit and retconned to suit the awful AWFUL spinoffs.
This game is for FF7 "fans" who never played FF7. The people whose first encounter with FF7 was watching AC or playing KH.
>>338035334
FF has been dead for a long time now, it died some time in between XII and XIII.
>>338040418
>And you admit that you're essentially a graphics whore willing to pay full price for a game simply because it's shiny?
There's a lot a proper remake could have done without relying entirely on graphics.
>>338041162
So you don't want to play the same game again, you just want to play mostly the same game again but with prettier graphics.
The point still stands.
>>338040981
>This game is for FF7 "fans" who never played FF7. The people whose first encounter with FF7 was watching AC or playing KH
I played it long before those, but I know I'd personally still like to see an updated version. Its just so memorable and I'd like to see the characters brought to life.
The spinoffs were by no means perfect, considering the addition of some questionable characters and themes. But it gave us a look at what the game could be in the future. Even back when the tech demo was teased, people went nuts.
I just thought they should save it for a landmark anniversary or something.
>fans ask for a remake
>literally get a remake
>fans get mad
>>338041529
You keep grasping but getting nothing.
>>338041690
It's not a remake. It's not even FF7.
>>338041552
>But it gave us a look at what the game could be in the future
Absolute trash?
>>338035334
Prease buy this game 3 times
>>338041552
>I just thought they should save it for a landmark anniversary or something
2017 is the 20th anniversary of the game.
>it's what the people want
>>338041730
Your response to me accusing you of wanting to play the same game again is "they could change up the game instead of doing a 1-to-1 remake". That is exactly what they're doing, but you're complaining that it is not 1-to-1 enough.
The only conclusion I can draw is that you are lying to yourself -- you do want to play the same game again, maybe with a bit of extra content. You want the developers to waste years of their time and millions of dollars to play 90% of the same thing again (that's being generous, we both know Square wouldn't add 10% new content to a straight remake) and then you want to pay full price for it (because if you don't want to pay full price for it, then you have no right to complain). All of those resources could be put towards new experiences (good or bad) but you want the same thing again no matter the cost.
"Proper" remakes have no place in the industry anymore. The purpose remakes previously served was
- making old games widely available again (we have emulation and digital releases now)
- improving the graphics (which now costs ridiculous amounts of time and money)
- adding new content (which is a good thing, but requires the new graphics part as well).
>>338042060
I mean that the updated graphics can give us insight into what the game could look like on modern hardware.
>>338042283
Oh... how nice that worked out then.
>>338042491
>play 90% of the same thing again (that's being generous, we both know Square wouldn't add 10% new content to a straight remake)
No, it's 90% the same ganme because they cut the last 10% instead.
>>338042351That was funny and I respect your opinion on the matter
>>338042717
All the more reason why a straight remake would be terrible. It would be paying full price for less than what you've already played.
>>338035334
Ok cool. That means that I can play up though Midgard and be done with it. Best part of the original game.
I always stop playing when I hit Kalm anyway.
I'm playing the game for the first time, disc 3 and chocobo breeding is such a pain in the arse
>>338036165
>>338036553
>Not mentioning Wall Market
>Not mentioning Honey Bee Inn and Cloud's totally homo gay orgy in the hot semen tub.
>>338035334
I just want some remake footage of the rest of Gaia.
We've seen Midgar in its HD, re-imagined form for years, years and years, game after movie after game, and that's all was in the VII Remake trailer too. I know how it's going to look.
I'm anxious to see how the gold saucer will look, the northern crater, the shinra building. There's lots of great locales and rooms that I'm anxious they'll not capture the feel of. It will feel like a very different game indeed if too many of the locations are designed differently.
>>338042491
>Your response to me accusing you of wanting to play the same game again is "they could change up the game instead of doing a 1-to-1 remake". That is exactly what they're doing, but you're complaining that it is not 1-to-1 enough.
No, you're just making assumptions in hopes of being technically right.
Also, there's a significant difference between fixing some things and making a new game then claiming its the same.
>"Proper" remakes have no place in the industry anymore.
Says you. Remakes of games like WC3 and KOTOR would be stellar.
>we have emulation and digital releases now
Neither of which fix everything and often times makes shit worse. That goes specifically for emulation which still has errors in some SNES games.
>>338035334
>>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
Not really. The fact that you have multiple controllable characters means it's different. Hell, it kind of reminded me of FF12's combat.
>>338043253
Wall market isn't that important IMO. Just Sector 5 and 6 in general, really. The park was more memorable for me than that,
The other scene is one that I've never seen before... let's leave that out....
>>338043563
Again... Almost.
>>338043253
I think wall market, honey bee inn and cross dressing will make it, but yeah collecting the items probably won't be due to hot tub and doing squats
>>338043447
>No, you're just making assumptions in hopes of being technically right.
Tell me where I'm wrong, then. About how different would your ideal FF7 remake be from the original?
>Also, there's a significant difference between fixing some things and making a new game then claiming its the same.
Exactly. You want the former, which would be a terrible waste of the developer's time and money, when any sane person would want the latter because they've already played the game.
If all you want are minor fixes to a great game as opposed to an entirely new game (because that is what you would be giving up), I don't know what to say.
No matter how the remake turns out /v/ will shitpost about itEven though 90% of /v/ is underage and hasn't played FFVII to begin with
I hope they dial back the combat if it's going to be like XV.
Playing the XV demo, the endless teleporting and weapon switching mid combo also removes that feeling of weight and consequence to combat in my opinion.
It's like, the first KH felt weighty as fuck, positioning mattered and it really felt like you were playing as a teenager throwing a big metal key around.
KH2 was slicker but ultimately went a little bit too far with Sora literally cutting flying skyscrapers in half.
>>338043929
>I don't know what to say.
That you have no argument other than your opinion.
>>338043929
Or to add, if all you want are minor fixes then there is even less of a reason to make a remake. We live in a time where these things can be patched in to a digital release -- you should be petitioning Square to fix their digital release.
>>338043929
>You want the former, which would be a terrible waste of the developer's time and money, when any sane person would want the latter because they've already played the game.
Market trend and sales data say otherwise. Remasters and proper remakes have all been wildly popular and here to stay.
So what exactly DO fans of FF7 want in a remake? I can hardly ever see anyone agreeing on whether this is good or bad
>>338044201
Obviously you are allowed to have your opinion. I'm not going to stop you from wanting to pay full price for the same game when you could have had an entirely new experience.
But you cannot go on to shitpost
>No. The people wanted a remake, not a reimagining.
where you assume the opinions of other people match your own.
>>338044194
My nigga, you know what's up.
>>338043038
>disc 3
it's literally just FMV's and a final dungeon
what's a pain in the ass about it
>>338041834
Is it FF8? then?
>>338043976I'm 19 and played it recently. It was okay
>>338044876
>Is it FF8?
I wish. That's the one FF game that could truly use an adaption like this considering how hit or miss it is.
I'm not particularly offended by it's existence or anything. I'm just not really looking forward to it in any way because I think it's pretty unnecessary. If I could love the original game as much as I do in it's current state, all this remake will do is provide things for me to nitpick at and dislike. So in that regard I just don't really care about it. If it turns out well, that's good for them, but the only way they could actually please me is to make a 1:1 remake with better graphics, which they've already stated they aren't doing.
To that effect I'm basically just looking at it like a different thing entirely.
>>338041834
It is though. You want a graphics mod, not a remake. Thankfully we're getting the latter though.
>>338035334
The battle system isn't even close to what XV is, are you fucking blind? Everything in 7R is entirely menu based with canned animations, there is no aerial combat, there is no jumping, there is no dodge rolls, there is no parries, there is no weapon switching, it's nothing like XV system.
XV is an actual Action RPG with direct button inputs mapped to different commands and fully action based combat.
7R is a real time menu RPG, it still operates through the menu while you run around in real time, all your commands are still through the menu.
>>338045171
REmake is the gold standard of remakes, update, improve and expand (on ideas that could not be implemented originally).
They're treating it like a do-over with their reimagining.
>>338035604
Angeal is long dead by the time FFVII happens anyway
Providing nods to the other Compilation games would be fine if you ask me. FFVIIR IS a Compilation title, after all (as in, not a replacement FFVII).
Like a Tsviet cameo, or some hints about theirs and Deepground's origins or whatever
Maybe some info on the time between Crisis Core and VII, or some more info on the Turks that could tie into Before Crisis
>>338039779
>with all the little touch and funny stuff that made FF7 a classic in the first place sucked away
Ah, you must be a time traveler. Welcome back to the past!
I'm sure that's the case, because you wouldn't make such a wide, decisive statement based on a teaser and about 30 seconds of combat footage, would you?
It must mean you've already played the game and seen this to be the case.
>>338040981
>This game is for FF7 "fans" who never played FF7. The people whose first encounter with FF7 was watching AC or playing KH.
What if those people played FFVII after KH or AC?
Or is that just not possible somehow
Obviously if you didn't play FFVII in 1997, you've never played it!
>>338039779
First of all 7R is nothing like XV.
Second of all FF7 itself was ATB based, not turn based, being turn based like DQ is nothing like what FF7 ever was.
FF7R is real time movement with ATB and command menu, it's nothing like XV, the closest thing it is to is FF12.
>>338045604
>update, improve and expand (on ideas that could not be implemented originally).
From what we know so far this is exactly what they're doing. And to an even greater extend the REmake did.
>>338045762
>What if those people played FFVII after KH or AC?
You're a completely separate audience than the ones who played ff7 around its release date. Not saying you cant enjoy the game but I'd imagine what you would want it to be wouldn't be what older FF& fans would want if you favor KH and AC more.
>>338045604
To be fair RE is literally a game that can be beaten in 2 hours.
I guess for all of those who really don't have any love for the FF7 Remake, there are always PC mods.
It looks pretty ok, I suppose
I want to be able to share the FF7 I love with my friends through an updated presentation so that it is a bit easier for them to digest. FF7R will not even come close to fitting this bill. They're pulling a George Lucas, but worse... like they have no respect for the original expression.
Also, relatively speaking, it will fail by the multi-game model. You can't properly hype FF7 PART ONE the same way you can if you drop the whole thing in one go (which is what one of the greatest games of all time would deserve)
In short, as of now it's shit unless fans provide some monumental backlash
>>338046201
Well I would qualify as someone who prefers KH, and my first real FFVII experience was AC
Actually FFVII was the last part of the series I got toAnd I didn't actually get to finish the game myself because I stupidly used the PAL .iso which is apparently broken in emulation
And I do prefer action-RPGs, because I think they're more fun and engaging
But I wouldn't have minded FFVIIR being ATB
But, unlike a lot of the FFVII fanboys, even if it were basically just FFVII but prettier, I'd want there to be changes because I found the combat sorely lacking, and the game as a whole was just a bit too easy. The writing and pacing of the narrative in general, that could've used some extra work as well.
Overall my opinion of FFVII is that it's just alright. I don't think that I'd have a much different opinion if I had played it in '97.
First thing I thought when we had that teaser for FFVIIR was "thank God, a better translation"
'Cause dang, that first attempt was pretty rough
I'm mostly excited for FFVIIR because it's a fresh take on a game that had more potential than it lived up to, and I think they have the opportunity to do some cool things with it, for new and old fans alike.
>>338046156
>From what we know so far this is exactly what they're doing.
From what we know, it's a different game. It's nothing like REmake.
>>338035334
You can approach it in a more positive way by reminding yourself that it's technically a new game. There is only one Final Fantasy VII, and it was released for the PS1 in 1997.
>>338046156
>they've said multiple times that they want to retell the story from scratch and not simply rethread it
That does not sound like a remake. That's redo with their own spin.
REmake was a huge success because it was a more complete vision of what the creator wanted. Pretty much exactly what the fans expected and wanted.
>>338046558
Larger game doesn't mean less effort is acceptable.
So what does everyone think of no possibility of FF7R (or KH3, or Nier Automata) until at the earliest Summer of 2017?
Apparently during a shareholder meeting Squeenix showed the games coming out within the next fiscal year and none of the aforementioned games were on the list.
Wasn't the point of splitting 7R into multiple games to at least in part expedite it somewhat?
>>338045638
It's not a matter of whether or not Angeal was alive in the compilation universe during the events of FF7 - It's whether or not his character existed in 1997.
>>338047085
20th Anniversary of FF7 is next year, so that seems appropriate.
As for KH3, I don't know. I like the series. but I couldn't guess where it is in the release schedule.
>>338047021
...which is what literally no one was asking for and what only plebs will defend
I liked what I saw, and I can't wait for it. I still have yet to beat the original. Who cares what the minority says, it looks amazing and whatever they decide to put in or take out it won't matter since the babies will have their original game. So far nothing has been confirmed to be taken out but I hope they expand on the universe by adding elements from the compilation for the biggest fans of FFVII.
>>338047085
We won't see FF7R until the end of next year. KH3 won't be out till early 2018. I don't know about Nier.
>>338047332
My guess is that 7R will be their "big" title of 17 which means holiday or at least sometime in that frame.
>>338047406
I'm just mad because they keep delaying or witholding release dates for games that would make me actually get a PS4. Like shit at this point the PS4 will be 4+ years old by the time I actually get one. I guess I shouldn't dislike that too much but I want to play bloodborne without feeling like I'm wasting money.
>>338047406
>adding elements from the compilation for the biggest fans of FFVII.
You can be a fan and be cognizant of its faults and failings.
You don't need to like every aspect to be a fan.
We are most critical of the things we like.
>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
So one of the best games ever is now going to be made into a reskinned Kingdom Farts. Great.
>>338047406
>Never beat the original
>Wants to talk about and for "the biggest fans"
Leave
>>338046970
just like I thought the AC/KH generation pretend other genres don't exist. I didn't need to have FF7 be some crazy fast paced action game I play fighting games for that. Gameplay wise there are so many game outclass KH when it comes to 3rd person action that I question why it is popular at all. As for story the translation for FF7 could definitely use work in some places.
>>338047672
7R is nothing like XV or KH.
7R is closest to FF12 but faster, with the ATB working like a system similar to LRs one but in reverse, so it fills up when you input commands, but everything you do is still from a command from a menu and you only move around in real time.
>>338047004
>>338047051
Yes, REmake is a glorified graphics mod but thankfully the FF7 remake does even more updating, improving and expanding. They truly get to make the game they wanted to but couldn't because of technical limitations instead of just sprinkling some pretty grafix on the exact same thing everyone already played and can play right now. In fact, you can even download some graphics mods for the PC version so you can have your desired remake right now.
>That does not sound like a remake. That's redo
Hahahaha. You're a funny guy.
>>338039779
that picture looks like something I want to play
>>338039525
>It was a pretty typical RPG length at the time.
really? I got bored when cloud awoke from his coma, the game was getting too stupid to be entertaining at that point, I figured I was somewhat halfway through and couldn't be fucked anymore
>>338047879
>the AC/KH generation pretend other genres don't exist
Excuse me but when the fuck did I do that?
>>338047919
>improving
Nope. You're taking a top 20 game and making it worse.
>>338047919
>REmake is a glorified graphics mod
You're not seriously trying to insult REmake are you?
>>338045638
I hope there is no fucking reference to deepground and that shit is removed from existence.
Its so dumb.
>>338048078
Pretty sure that was after 7 and AC.
Game was basically a cash grab, but it was stillfun
>>338047589
I got a PS3 for KH3 and FFversusXIII but that never happened, I still ended up enjoying my PS3 with it's insane library of games. I bought a PS4 for KH3 and FFXV but there is still a bunch of games I bought for it. Mostly multiplatform because I don't play on PC.
>>338047607
I'm talking about FF7 purists. Most people here like to outright claim every other game in the series is "garbage".
>>338047836
No, go fuck yourself. I'm working on it. I have played all the other ones and put off beating FFVII for a long time because it was released on a ton of platforms and I wasn't interested at the time. Now I feel most comfortable playing it on the PS4, the only thing I use is the speed up button.
>>338047919
Shill go home.
>>338048232
It was mediocre to be honest, but it was great to see the old areas as 3D environments, pretty nostalgic.
I think thats the only reason I managed to plow my way thru the game
>>338036165
>>tifa's big tits
Going by Nomura's art for G-Bike I don't think so.
>>338048385
>Most people here like to outright claim every other game in the series is "garbage".
Again, you can be a fan and cognizant of its faults and failings.
Even the biggest fans may dislike the expanded universe of the compilation. THat does not make them less of a fan.
>>338048385
>I'm working on it.
But you haven't, yet you are somehow qualified to talk down to people that have? Go dig a hole and jump in it.
>>338048457
Like most games in that genre, it was a nice little 5hr romp in a familiar universe. That's what I liked about it.
As for the gameplay, the mechanics were flawed and clunky. Still went and finished it all the same.
>>338048681
Yes it does. It means they are purists who were never fans of the series, they are just a fan of the game, simply put.
>>338048695
I'm qualified to talk however I feel like talking. I am a fan of the series, bigger than both of you. I've beaten every other game in the series besides FF7. Why don't you check the faggot's reply above and apply it to your own?
>>338047983
I think KH/AC fans just think they have more control because of the direct control of one character but that is not what the main FF games have been about. If you honestly enjoy that kind of gameplay look elsewhere because it has been done better that what SE can put out.
>>338049168
Tell me a game that has KH-like combat but better.
>>338048990
>If you don't like RE5/6 you aren't a fan of the series!
>If you don't like Chrono Cross you're not a true Chrono Trigger fan!
>If you don't like every FF you're not a real FF fan!
Please, continue to be this retarded. It is amusing.
>>338049168
Fuck off faggot.
Some thoughts without much structure:
I think equating a new FFVII to a new game is fallacious and in fact disingenuous. FFXVI would be a new game.
In fact to illustrate the desirability:
God's Manna - - - - FFXVI - - - - - - - - - - FFVII Remake - - - FFVII Reimagining - Bubsy 3D (Do note that a single tick is a large distance.)
That being said, the reimagining is welcome in the sense that it's clearly connected to the Compilation and can be disregarded therefore very easily instead of trying to overwrite the original. The Compilation on its own is snack food melodrama, which can be fun, when approached with the respect it deserves.
There's no need to get disappointed or outraged. It's gonna suck and that's okay. The market will hopefully punish S-E, but even that's not necessary, since FFVII is going nowhere. Is it a shame we couldn't get a harder/more complex/better translated (Although that's useless now. We've all decrypted it already.) FFVII or just a graphics touch-up? Yes, it's a wasted chance and the only one S-E had but it's not the end of the world.
I get more positive about this every day. I'm rather convinced it'll be idiotic and therefore entertaining. If it goes hyper-serious and boring, then the entertainment will come from the fanbase.
>>338049323
I've expected nitpicking, mocking, and shit-flinging. Those exclamation marks really do their job too, don't they?
I'm talking about the FF7 series, not the Final Fantasy series as a whole. If you liked FF7 and nothing else, then you're a fan of the game, not the series, obviously. You can still be a fan of the Final Fantasy series if you like more than one of them, but that's hardly a fan. You just like two of their games, same for RE. CC and CT are pretty much treated as separate games anyway.
>>338049168
>If you honestly enjoy that kind of gameplay look elsewhere because it has been done better that what SE can put out.
I've never played or seen a game that plays like any of the KH games.
The gameplay system is pretty unique.
>>338047989
That's a great theory but nah, for all we know they are making it much better.
>>338049796
>If you don't like every aspect of the FF7 series you're not a real FF7 fan!
Same shit, still amused.
>>338050192
Great reply. You sure showed me(!!!).
It may be amusing to you because you're also a fan of mediocre entertainment, and a fan of the game, FF7, only.
>>338050382
>and a fan of the game, FF7, only.
That's not true, I said nothing of my likes and dislikes of the series. Just pointed out your retardation into No True Scotsman territory.Dirge is genuinely terrible though
>>338049251
>>338049907
I think the premise if fairly unique Disney/FF getting meshed together but it's still just a Hack and Slash and I usually group it with DMC and the like. I think games like DMC,Bayonetta, and Ninja Gaiden are close enough that I can group KH with them and all have given me a better experience. But this is not about KH it's about FF7 and since KH3 and FFXV are around the corner there is no reason for it to play like either which from what we have seen it looks like it does.
>>338050612
I don't need any underwear with my kilt.
If you're a FF7 purist, you're a fan of the game, not the series. I'm sure you're going to keep repeating the same things like a pretentious retard would.
>>338050935
KH is absolutely nothing like NG, Bayonetta, or DMC, especially combat wise. Kingdom Hearts isn't "Hack n' slash" either. It's an action RPG unlike the other games you listed.
>>338050935
>which from what we have seen it looks like it does.
No it doesn't at all.
>>338051305
>I'm sure you're going to keep repeating the same things like a pretentious retard would.
It's not my fault you're too dense to understand a simnple concept.
>>338050935
>it's still just a Hack and Slash
No, it's an action-RPG.
The combat is in real time and that's where the similarities between KH and DMC, Bayo or Ninja Gaiden end.
You're really simplifying all of these games and their core mechanics in order to make this comparison.
The function of KH's Command Menu alone makes it a completely different beast.
>>338039779
dragon quest is terrible
>>338050935
>Hack and Slash and I usually group it with DMC and the like
Going to stop you right there.
DMC, Bayonetta, and Ninja Gaiden are all 3D Brawlers.
>>338051960
Simple genre categorisation is made difficult when every game is taking aspects from many basic genres.
It's time to give up and embrace the Venn diagram.
>>338052362
>Simple genre categorisation is made difficult when every game is taking aspects from many basic genres.
Not really. Too many people just like to mislabel shit and expect people to know what they are talking about. Those games evolved from side scrolling beatem ups and should be treated as such.
>>338051519
This 'simple' concept needs to exist first for me to be able to understand it.
All you did was mock and nitpick me like any other useless 4chan browser; you're not special. My point still stands true, high, and mighty.
You're not a fan of the series, you're just a fan of the game, FF7. That goes for anybody who doesn't like the other games of the series. Give me the (you) I won't read and run off and play in the grass or something.
>>338051305
>>338051697
>>338051960
>>338052586
regardless of what genre they fit in I group KH with these due to how the mechanics in game work when fighting. The menu is nothing unique it's just an easier place to put magic and enemy specific attacks similar to Bayo's torture attacks and Dantes ability to surf on downed enemies and Hayabusa"s magic and items which all these games share an on screen menu for.
>>338051960
Going to stop you right there.
DMC, Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden are all Character Action Games.
Hentai games are why Yuffi has become my favorite FF girl, mostly due to the shit i have done to her.I turned her into a massive titted hypnotized exhibitionist slut, with a body that can't resist pleasure, who puts on dog ears so strangers will degrade her/monsters fuck her until she cannot help but strip down and masturbate
>>338052994
That's just a /v/ forced term that doesn't make sense.
>>338039779
>FFVIIR IS SO BAD TRUST ME I'M A TIME TRAVELER
>It should've literally looked like Dragon Quest XI which is almost complete contrast of VII
?????
>>338052960
It's literally a fucking ARPG no matter what you associate it with.
>enemy specific attacks similar to Bayo's torture attacks and Dantes ability to surf on downed enemies and Hayabusa"s magic and items which all these games share an on screen menu for.
Literally only KH2 has reaction commands.
Do you people even fucking play the games?
>>338052994
stop using that fucking name asscancer
>>338045484
By your logic, all of Kingdom Hearts was through a Menu too.
>>338053249
>Literally only KH2 has reaction commands.
you mean menu based QTEs stop anon this is starting to sound sad
>>338053613
They're not QTEs you idiot.
QTEs are the shit that you see in Bayonetta. 99% of the time QTEs are forced upon you and you receive penalty for failing them. There are only very few QTEs in KH2 but reaction commands are NOT QTEs.
>>338053495
Except KH is literally an ARPG.
Being Actiony =/= ARPG like with VIIR
>>338053495
But it isn't because in KH you have actions mapped to face buttons, you have jumping, dodge rolls, aerial combat etc.
>>338052960
>I group KH with these due to how the mechanics in game work when fighting
You mean... that they all feature real-time combat.
Because as someone who has played every KH game, and all the numbered DMC games, I do not find anything beyond that which would warrant grouping them together.
And I assume you're only talking about KH1 and KHII.
Because CoM, Days, BbS, Re:coded DDD, and χ are all very different.
You would really have to either be very dense or largely ignorant of KH's mechanics in order to draw this comparison.
>>338037930
god i hope not
>>338039221
>mfw all of this true
just end it
>>338048990
>Yes it does. It means they are purists who were never fans of the series, they are just a fan of the game, simply put.
Yeah no shit. What do you think this is a remake of? So far I haven't seen anything called "Compilation of FFVII: Remake".
If you knew shit about the original Sakaguchi production, untainted by the garbage cash grabs that came way later, you wouldn't keep talking out of your ass like this. They are failing to make a remake that does justice to the original. Simple as that.
>>338043976
Anon, /v/ shits on literally every single gameexcept star citizen and loli waifugames
You shouldn't take any posts here seriously
>>338052691
>This 'simple' concept needs to exist first for me to be able to understand it.
You can be a fan and cognizant of its faults and failings. It's worth repeating, unfortunately it seems necessary in your case.
Expanded fluff isn't detached from the game it's derived from. Not liking the derivative has no bearing on being a fan of the series overall.
You insist on calling it a series yet RE is a series. You can be a fan of the overall series and not like the direction they took it in. Doesn't make you less of a fan of the series.
You seem to have confused a fan with a fanboi at some point in your life. There are fans that admire the work itself and there are fans that like everything with the name attached to it.
True fan/real fan is all just nonsense. We are most critical of what we love. It's not all malicious, it's mostly just 'expected better and was disappointed'.
I love the Shadow Hearts series but SH3 was an awful game and the series would be better off without it. You could say the same of Wild ARMs, Grandia, Suikoden etc.
Things we're a fan off can churn out bad products, or at least products we don't like.
Most of this is literally reiterating the same point because I cannot make it simpler and yet you still fail to understand it.
It's not even simply you disagreeing
>This 'simple' concept needs to exist first for me to be able to understand it.
you literally cannot fathom the exiastence of the concept. By your own admission.
>>338046970
you are what is wrong with rpgs
please take your adhd combat and kindly fuck right off
>>338035864
I never wanted a remake with the exact same shit gameplay that was shit in 1997 and is shit in 2016. I have no interest in trudging through a boring turn based RPG that does nothing interesting and plays slow as hell. Remaking it completely to have a Kingdom Hearts/FFXV battle system is one of the best decisions ever made by Square Enix.
>>338055281
>It's a if you like action combat you have adhd meme episode
>>338055368
Shitty bait. Doesn't even have the same combat system.
>this whole thread
>"theres nothing wrong with three separate games"
>"turn based is boring. it should be like kh"
>"lets leave out wall market"
>"i havent beat the first one but the new one looks a-mazing!! :^)"
>"i've played 7, 8 and 9 so I know what I'm talking about"
i hate you all
>>338055983
Kill yourself.
I don't want FFXV or KH's battle systems, because we have those already. I didn't want FF7's ATB system unchanged either. I wanted something that felt like an evolution of it, something that takes it and gives it more action. Basically I just wanted them to fix up FFXIII's shitty combat system and make it something good. I think that makes the most logical sense.
>>338055983
+1
It hurts not being underage
>>338037797
You're taking the evidence presented wrong. Hojo is a successful scientist. You see his work all over FF7. The Jenova project is largely responsible for all the weird ass shit you see in that game. This is a world with robot triceratops monsters. This scene is not Hojo's first rodeo. He knows what he's doing.
>>338036165
>orthopedic underwear
If they show up in the game, I'm wondering if they'll actually get the name right this time. They were mistranslated in the original FF VII and just had their name changed in Disidia.
but WHY the FUCK couldn't they just fix their already extremely unbalanced combat system that they already had?? If they put more emphasis on magic and materia and not just making physical teams absolute game sweepers maybe people wouldn't think that turn-based combat in this game was so fucking boring? Implement a random encounter controller? there are ways to make turn based combat interesting and engaging but NO they just hop on the action-RPG bandwagon because apparently they DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUCKING ACTION-RPGS PLANNED.
>>338056324
I'd expect ATB mixed with FFXII minus Gambits.
Auto-attacks to make the ATB build time not look dead, freedom of movement around the field and simple ATB on top.
Think like 30 damage AAs, then the ATB Attack option would be something like 100 damage. Something like 2 AAs per ATB fill.
That's the best I can really hope for at this point.
>>338055983
>FFVII
>Turnbased
At this point I'm convinced that ATB players have never even touched turn-based.
>raking in not just 70 bucks from nostalgiafags, but 210 bucks by cutting up a single game into three parts
GENIUS!
>>338057036
See >>338057176 also, your ARPG whining is unfound seeing as it is not one.
>>338057176
They probably left it on ATB Wait like the retards they are.
>>338035334
>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
It's not, though.
>Party Switching
>ATB element involved.
>It's what the people want, but is it what should happen?
Honestly, I'm just glad they're mixing it up a bit. Being an artist and being told to do something you did before again but to "Keep it the same just do it better!" must be fucking grating to deal with. I'm glad they're doing what they think works best this time around, even if I might not do the same in their shoes.
>>338055983
>"theres nothing wrong with three separate games"
This has yet to be proven right or wrong. It's going to depend ENTIRELY on what they do with this three separate releases and whether or not they actually take advantage of the fact that they're releasing three separate games and make the areas and content involved in each release expansive and fun to explore.
Judging from what we've seen of the first 30 minutes of the game, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing.
What everyone should REALLY be concerned about is the OST. So far, in every bit of promotional material released, they've just used bits from the Advent Children soundtrack, which, while not bad in itself, is a far cry away from the tracks in the original that were so classic. The approach to a movie soundtrack and a game soundtrack is very, very different, and if they just use the AC OST for the remake, then I expect a lot of poorly edited looping of music that isn't quite what they should have used.
>>338057493
Thing is it's a remake anon.
It's not meant to be something new or a refreshing spin, it's meant to be an enhanced version of the original game for the fans of the series and newcomers.
It doesn't mean it can't have new content like items, bosses, side quests, party members etc., just that the gameplay should be a refined version of what it was in the first place.
This is especially true for Final Fantasy when each game has varying mechanics and such that set them apart from each other.
>Being an artist and being told to do something you did before again but to "Keep it the same just do it better!" must be fucking grating to deal with.
Then they should be opposed to the idea of a remake altogether because regardless of how they change the gameplay someone is going to be told just to do what they did before but better.
>>338057981
>SE
>assume they know what they're doing.
A 2 step recipe to disaster
>>338057176
sorry, i didn't use the correct term
you're right though, ff7 combat would be much better if it were truly turn-based instead of atb-based or whatever the correct term is. might increase the difficulty a bit.ff4 was a mistake
>>338058168
Fresh memes as usual, /v/.
>They're adding stuff so it's not a remake!
Are you people literally retarded? Words mean things
>>338058479
It's unfortunate you haven't been around long enough to see it all happen in front of you.
Don't you have an FF7 game to finish?
>>338058154
>It's not meant to be something new or a refreshing spin,
Most Remakes are exactly this, with varying results. To their credit, Nomura's realistic take on the FFVII world seems to be keeping the aesthetic intact almost perfectly, so I guess so far, so good. The only thing they're doing differently is the gameplay, and I've always said that FFVII's battle system is inherently flawed in it's execution and the materia system would be put to far better use in a different genre, so we'll see how that turns out.
Only one I can think of that stays entirely faithful is REmake, but Resident Evil 1 is a game that strictly CANNOT be made any differently because of the way the horror was structured around the claustrophobic mansion, and even then, they added quite a bit of content.
>>338043253
Nomura explicitely stated that Cloud's crossdressing will be there
>>338058713
>Most Remakes are exactly this
They aren't really, they're usually just expansions to the world and such and up until now Square's own remakes were exactly the same barely touching the gameplay.
>Nomura's realistic take on the FFVII world seems to be keeping the aesthetic intact almost perfectly
That's fine, updating the visuals is one of the big things a remake should do along with delving deeper into the lore of the world and so on but if you go beyond that then you may as well just make an entirely new game because you've overstepped the boundary that makes something a remake.
>>338058697
I've played through it three times.
So tell me about your evidence about how SE is going to fuck this up. No, wait, let me guess: JUST LOOK AT FFXIII! Am I right?
>>338058719
This.
Nomura actually seems like the one person left in the original staff of the game that understands what made FFVII such a joy to play throughhence why he changed the gameplay, I guess. :^)Kitase is an idiot that aims far too high at elements that aren't quite FFVII-like (Advent Children's change from an action short to a full length angstfest is good evidence of this) and Nojima is a madman of a writers that needs people to reign him in (Cloud in the first half of Advent Children is also good evidence of this.)
Fun fact, it was Shinji Hashimoto that wanted the Remake to have Advent Children-like visuals; A decision Nomura didn't have much say in. Whenever he's given freedom to make things look how he likes, he always draws Cloud in his classic look. When he was sent to Team Ninja to ensure that the aesthetics of the characters, Cloud ended up looking like this. Same story with Smash.
>>338035334
>One reason cited for multiple parts was so SqEn"did not have to cut any of the original content "
What does that even mean? I still don't understand why the game is being split up. Why do they even need to do that in the first place?
Sounds to me like they bit off more than they could chew when they agreed to do this remake and realized what a massive project it was going to end up being.
>>338058713
>Only one I can think of that stays entirely faithful is REmake
The Pokemon remakes
The FF4 remake
The Etrian Untold series
The DQ remakes
Super Star Ultra
>>338059656
>Sounds to me like they bit off more than they could chew when they agreed to do this remake and realized what a massive project it was going to end up being.
They never actually agreed to do it, it's just that people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
This is more or less them going "FIIIIIINE."
>tfw it will probably run way better on PS4K
>>338060006
>it's just that people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
>get FF7 but totally different instead of a true remake
That's a monkey's paw situation if I've ever seen one.
>>338060116
When's that thing coming out anyway?
>>338060116
>mfw I held off on buying a PS4 specifically because the Remake was far off and then the PS4K was announced.
Made my day when I realized I wouldn't have to play FFVIIR at 30fps with drops.
>>338060209
>To /v/ true remake is the same fucking game but with better graphics
stop
>>338059292
>XIII
Low hanging fruit are no fun.
Try recent DQ, XIV, SaGa, Crystal Chronicles.
>>338039145
S-sauce?
>>338035334
>being 3 full size games
Its funny that you believe this.
>One reason cited for multiple parts was so SqEn"did not have to cut any of the original content "
Except they've already admitted it isn't going to be the same as the original.
FF7 was my favorite and I would've loved this but I am not buying this turd.
>>338060450
>Try recent DQ
?
>XIV
MMO that's pretty much just lacking in content, not necessarily fucked up.
>SaGa, Crystal Chronicles.
Can't say anything about these since I've never played either series.
>>338060396
You are aware that remakes aren't meant to drastically change the gameplay right?
Add content
Remake the visuals
Expand the world
All things that previous remakes have done even Square's own.
But you don't remove the gameplay people, that people wanted to see again, in it's entirety and replace it with something that isn't similar in the slightest, you fix the mistakes and enhance it.
>>338060681
>pretty much just lacking in content
Pretty much an expansion that changed nothing and maintained the status quo like a big patch.
There was plenty of 'it's SE, they know what they're doing' with that one.
>>338060897
>You are aware that remakes aren't meant to drastically change the gameplay right?
Completely untrue.
If the gameplay was severely lacking, like with FFVII it's perfectly normal to revamp it.
>But you don't remove the gameplay people, that people wanted to see again
The only way to "fix" the mistakes of FFVII's combat is to revamp it completely.
> in it's entirety and replace it with something that isn't similar in the slightest,
How isn't it similar? Just because ATB doesn't look completely the same now doesn't mean it's so much different.
>>338060314
No clue. We're probably gonna hear about it at E3 in a few weeks
>>338061297
>"I don't like it therefore it's bad and needs changing" - The post
>>338061525
Did you actually play FFVII?
>Get Enemy Skill materia - Trine/Beta/Aqualung being easy catches
Gratz, you won the game!
>Get cure
Gratz, you won the game!
>Start the game
Gratz, you won the game! Puzzled as to how? Because you already have attack which in conjunction of any sort of buffs and cure / items is already more than enough.
>>338061704
I don't know what your experience with the game was but what you just said sounds like absolute bullshit.
Some people didn't know everything about the game when they played it.
>>338035604
Angeal was fine and Genesis would have been tolerable if he ever got what he had fucking coming, e.g., an almost redemption ending in him getting BTFO'd
>>338060631
Nanaki Hatsujou!
>>338061297
>Completely untrue.
There are next to no remakes that change the entirety of the gameplay.
At the most it's a reboot or retelling, not a remake.
>If the gameplay was severely lacking
You improve it you idiot, magic isn't particularly useful in the original right?
Balance physical and magic and make it a viable option of play.
See what I'm doing here? That's fixing a game.
>The only way to "fix" the mistakes of FFVII's combat is to revamp it completely.
It isn't, there are so many ways you can fix the game without shitting on the fans and not giving them what they've wanted for years.
>How isn't it similar?
Have you even seen the trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMWEjWCwjzM
That's not ATB in the slightest, I mean there's a fucking combo/finisher system of sorts.
>>338061704
That's why you balance those options you retard.
>>338061843
>Some people didn't know everything about the game when they played it.
I'm sorry you were stupid enough that you couldn't figure out how to use materia after being told how to use it. Since like I said, fucking attack + cure was all you pretty much needed. Once you got regen it was already over. Then when you got haste it was plain overkill.
And I fucking guarantee you, it didn't require ANY knowledge to pull it off.
>>338036165
You faggots act like EA is developing this shit. When the hell as SE removed things deemed weird or not PC?the shit that happened with BD was Nintendo
>>338062096
see >>338062040
Specifically
>That's why you balance those options you retard.
There's nothing that warranted a total cockslap to the face of your fans like that.
>>338062096
I'm convinced you're talking out your ass and you've only played some bullshit like the Steam or rereleases of the game.
So kindly suck a dick.
I'll buy FFXV and FFVIIR, I'm going to hope they are good, and possibly get my hopes destroyed, most everyone here is going to do the same thing but probably with more skepticism.
>>338062040
>There are next to no remakes that change the entirety of the gameplay.
What is White Knight Chronicles?
What is Yakuza: Kiwami?
What is Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir?
Those come in to mind.
>That's why you balance those options you retard.
Tell me then, how? Nerf attack to the ground? Make enemies have 10x more HP? Remove Enemy Skill?
>See what I'm doing here? That's fixing a game.
And again, how do you balance them? Make Magic deal absurd amounts of damage now?
>It isn't, there are so many ways you can fix the game without shitting on the fans and not giving them what they've wanted for years.
Don't lump everyone in one bunch, dumbo. I'd rather have this than the same shit but "now with less damage with basic attack :D"
>That's not ATB in the slightest, I mean there's a fucking combo/finisher system of sorts.
Of course it's not the same fucking ATB system because it has gone further since VII came out.
Just take a look at XIII trilogy or XII
>>338062393
Nah, I'm just going to pirate them when they're released on PC.
>>338062387
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess but I can guarantee you it was the PS1 version that I still have left. Stay deluded, though.
>>338062501
pirating... it's like you hate video games.
>>338035334
no matter what happens we will always have the original and they can't take it away from us.
all the spin offs and extended universe shit already crushed my soul. i don't care anymore. the only thing canon to me is the original game. nothing else matters. its all shit.
>>338062568
Oh no, I give money when I think they deserve it. Square doesn't deserve squat for these games.
>>338062652
I know I was joking, maybe they'll do something good with VIIR but XV is like XIII to me, last FF game i liked was 12, which i feel gets under rated.
>>338062652
The irony is that you're still interested enough in their product that you'll pirate it for free but claim that they don't deserve anything for it. Hilarious.Enjoy getting Denuvo'd
>>338062452
>What is White Knight Chronicles?
>What is Yakuza: Kiwami?
>What is Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir?
Good questions tbqh. What are they again?
>>338062992
Remakes that revamp the combat.
Enjoying getting proven wrong?
>>338062452
>What is Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir?
A shitty furry game that nobody will buy.
>>338063125
Your attempt at a joke falls flat.
>>338063223
You forgot to tip your fedora.
>3 games to include all the content
Have they not played their own game? It's one of the shortest post-FF4 games in the series. Unless you want to grind Materia for 50 hours for seemingly no reason, you can clear all the content in 30 hours or so.
>>338063319
>you can clear all the content in 30 hours or so
Yeah, but if you want to actually experience said content it takes longer, you fuck.
>>338062804
>recent actions and releases have made them more wary of purchases
>the interest is still there, the willingness to blindly trust is not
You can justify it however you want but at root the company is at fault for turning away a previously loyal customer.
>>338063297
>Has a character turned into an animal like in a fairytale
>HAHA FURRY GAME DAMN I'M ORIGINAL :D
>LE FEDORA TIP TIP
>>338035334
>>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
After that platinum demo.
No thanks.
>>338063514
I can understand not willing to pre-order. But if it's a good game why the fuck would you still go for pirate and claim it's not worth a dime?
I've got to ask, how much are you being paid per post?
There's either one pretty underage diehard fanboi here or a simple shill. I'm willing to believe the former but I'd rather rule out the shill first.
>>338063117
Explain. Did they change genres? I've never heard of these titles. TBQH I sort of doubt they're real but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
>>338063482
That doesn't make any sense, Famicom. By finishing all the content in a game, you have experienced all it has to offer. Nostalgia goggles off, please.
>>338063548
>LE FEDORA TIP TIP
Anon, euphorists love furry.
And that character plus the fairy faggotry.
That game stinks of gay bullshit and its the reason I'm not buying the game.
>>338063690
You can always pay afterwards if it did turn out to be worth a purchase.
I could probably just borrow it off someone. I treat piracy as no different. If I don't like it I wont finish it and then won't buy it.
>>338063774
>TBQH I sort of doubt they're real but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
What? Seriously, what the fuck?
Are you that incapable of googling?
>Did they change genres?
So when did FFVIIR stop being a JRPG, again?
>>338062452
>What is White Knight Chronicles?
>What is Yakuza: Kiwami?
>What is Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir?
Are you seriously trying to say that these can be considered remakes.
One isn't even called a remake of anything.
>Tell me then, how? Nerf attack to the ground? Make enemies have 10x more HP? Remove Enemy Skill?
>And again, how do you balance them? Make Magic deal absurd amounts of damage now?
You do realise that's what balancing entails right? Hence why it's called balancing. If something is over powered you make it so it's not and vice versa if something is weak.
>Don't lump everyone in one bunch, dumbo. I'd rather have this than the same shit but "now with less damage with basic attack :D"
Good for you but you're certainly in the minority here as far as things go.
People expected a remake, they haven't got it.
>Of course it's not the same fucking ATB system because it has gone further since VII came out.
Then where's that improved ATB system?
Why didn't they use it in this game?
Why did they go with a cheap KH copy instead of Final Fantasy 7?
>Just take a look at XIII trilogy or XII
Those games aren't even ATB games you retard.
>>338035334
Things that would make me drop the game
>Any reference to other spin offs
>Any reference to Advent Children
>Tifa's missiles being nerfed
>Don Corneo, Honey bee inn removed or changed
>Any game being less than 40 hours for the main story
>Cid not smoking and insulting his wife
Any of those and it becomes borrow day one.
>>338064014
Hate to break it to you but XII is ATB.
>>338057017
What were they supposed to be called?
>>338064001
>So when did FFVIIR stop being a JRPG, again?
:^)
Not taking that bait. You have fun arguing on the internets today, Anon.
>>338062804
Well of course I'm interested I just don't think I should shell out what's probably going to be a total of $180 for a product I may not even like because they've drastically changed it.
>Enjoy getting Denuvo'd
Well then I won't play the game ever and they lost a potential purchase.
Ironically anti-piracy hurts sales more than piracy does.
>>338037930
What about the covers Nobuo did in The Black Mages?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzQUkfnhP-E
>>338064125
That's ADB you tard.
If you're going to shitpost about Final Fantasy get your shit right.
>>338064014
>Are you seriously trying to say that these can be considered remakes.
Are you an idiot? Like seriously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza_%28video_game%29#Ry.C5.AB_ga_Gotoku:_Kiwami
>A high-definition remake, titled Odin Sphere Leifthrasir (オーディンスフィア レイヴスラシル Ōdin Sufia Reivusurashiru?, stylized as Odin Sphere Leifþrasir), was released in Japan for the PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, and PlayStation Vita on January 14, 2016, and will be released internationally in June 2016
As for White Knight Chronicles the combat was remade for the better and was included with the second game in one package.
>People expected a remake, they haven't got it.
Except it's a remake, dumbfuck. The fact that you don't acknowledge it as such for whatever autistic reason doesn't mean anything.
>Why did they go with a cheap KH copy instead of Final Fantasy 7?
This statement just shows how stupid you are, you haven't seen KH gameplay in your life, have you?
>Those games aren't even ATB games you retard.
All of them are ATb, idiot. They have the exact same fucking ATB line.
>>338037767
Button those shorts. I wouldn't be opposed to Tifa having some sweet ass hotpants (although her miniskirt is still best) but her breasts are fine the way they are.
>>338064343
Since you're a time-traveler, can you tell me the genre it was changed to?
>>338040731
Faggot.
>>338064532
They can rename it as many times as they like, it's ATB underneath with Gambits.
>>338064532
>The ADB system eliminates random battles; the battles take place on the field with no separate battle screen and as such there is no transition between exploration and battle.
This is pretty much the only fucking difference. It's ATB in gameplay and there's no way around that.
It pisses me off so much that people think this is okay because "turn based RPGs is outdated" and yet a shit ton of people are hyped for Persona 5 which is a turn based RPG.
All oldfag VII fans wanted was a graphics upscale and shit to get fixed, instead we get literally Kingdom Hearts tier bullshit. I bet 100% that the first Sephiroth boss fights will be a copy paste of the KH2 Sephiroth fight because of how they're structuring this game into installments and the budget constraints to maximize profits off of normalfags.
Nomura is a hack, fuck Square.
>>338053249
>Do you people even fucking play the games?
you are on /v/ m8.
FUCKING SHOW OFF REMAKE TIFA AND HER SWEET GAMEPLAY ALREADY YOU FUCKS.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>338064914
>because "turn based RPGs is outdated"
Who's saying that? Turn based games have always been popular, RPG or not. They'll never be outdated. FFVII is not turn based though.
>All oldfag VII fans wanted was a graphics upscale
Nah. Speak for yourself, you dumb cunt.
>>338064914
First off, ATB =/= Turn-based. It might be derivation of it but it plays drastically differently.
Second
> instead we get literally Kingdom Hearts tier bullshit.
You shouldn't claim it's things you have never seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN7GwIMlzIg
Point me to the part where VIIR was like this, please.
>>338064914
>It pisses me off so much that people think this is okay because "turn based RPGs is outdated" and yet a shit ton of people are hyped for Persona 5 which is a turn based RPG.
So much fucking this. Daily reminder the best JRPGS of this year are turn based/atb based.
>SMT IV Final
>Persona V
>EO games
>Fire emblem and Bravely Second (yes they are shit) selling like crazy for 3ds games
>But hurrdurr no one likes turn based stuff anymore! Its outdated!
>>338057176
It's timed turn taking with penalties for tardiness. It is not real time. You are retarded.
>>338065283
>Final
APOCALYPSE
>>338065389
>System literally works in real time
>It's not real time!
>>338065389
>>338057176
ATB Wait is literally trurn based
ATB Active is not
ATB covers both through options. If you're going to speg at each other over this do it properly.
>>338065586
>ATB Wait is literally trurn based
Except that if your outside menu Wait means nothing.
>>338064052
>Any reference to other spin offs
>Any reference to Advent Children
The worst they can do is reference Zack's new death scene. Everything else is either Genesis, who can't show up because reasons, or in the future.
I would like to see Cissnei, though.
>>338064587
>Two don't touch the gameplay
>one isn't claiming to be a remake
Are you retarded?
You're literally just proving my point here.
Also thanks for not giving the whole story there dumbass.
>Except it's a remake, dumbfuck. The fact that you don't acknowledge it as such for whatever autistic reason doesn't mean anything.
Except it isn't, a reHAUL of a battle system and a reMAKE of a battle system are two completely different things.
What they've done is make an entirely new game that borrows elements from a previous game such as characters and what not as opposed to remaking and improving the game like remakes do.
>This statement just shows how stupid you are, you haven't seen KH gameplay in your life, have you?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. What exactly separates it from KH here?
>All of them are ATb, idiot. They have the exact same fucking ATB line.
FF12 uses ADB - Not only do you have control over a single character in combat movement wise but your positioning actually matters here in the damage or whether or not enemies are hit with AOE attacks. Tell me where FF7 had that.
FF13 uses CNS which doesn't even work like ATB in the slightest because different actions take a certain amount of charge away from the gauge as opposed to any action taking away all of it. On top of that you can only control the leader.
13-2 and Returns uses SATB which is more akin to CNS than ATB
Jesus Christ it's like you people just eat up any crap without a care.
>>338065832
>who can't show up because reasons
What exactly are these reasons? I didn't pay much attention to his story in CC and DoC.
>>338065585
>The timers work in real time because that's how timers work
>Characters take turns
>I don't get it wtf help me 4chan
>>338066023
I think he was sealed somewhere and only came out at the end of DoC
>>338065906
>Two don't touch the gameplay
What the fuck are you smoking?
Odin Sphere regular and Leifthrrasir are like night and day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmbEVHI5_MQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyhf5Z7Uygo
It was pretty much the most prominent feature of the remake.
Kiwami is the same.
https://youtu.be/6oRtMeRJcY0?t=119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbERXmz1MDw
But please, continue being retarded.
>What exactly separates it from KH here?
If you'd actually fucking play videogames instead of speaking in memes you'd know.
Take a look at the trailer with VIIR gameplay, now take a look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zL7reMN_s
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJHaKg99Rak
Or fucking anything. If you think the two are even remotely similar you are blind as a bat.
>All those listed games
While they have fancy names and have some differences ALL of them operate like ATB does.
>>338066028
Meanwhile in a turnbased game:
Turns are determined by speed and nothing happens until you take your turn.
>>338066571
>nothing happens until you take your turn.
>unless the tardiness penalty is a soft turn forfeiture that doesn't reset your timer
It's clear you've not played very many turn based strategy games with timers, Anon. You might want to stop.
>>338064275
They're called ちょっと背伸びパンツ (chotto senobi pantsu). Senobi is a phrase that literally translates to "stretching one's back"; it's a reference to the fact that people will stand on their tip-toes to make themselves look taller. Ultimately it just means a person is trying to make themselves look like more than what they are. So in this case, Tifa had some sexy panties you'd associate with an adult, a bit much for a 15 year old girl. The translator took the name too literally and assumed they were for people who hurt their backs.
They appeared again in Dissidia 012, though in the English version they were called Stretch briefs, I think.
>>338066871
Thanks for the info
Orthopedic underwear always sounded strange to me
>>338066871
So they should be called "slightly risque panties?"
>>338066469
>graphical changes are the same as gameplay changes
Holy shit anon, this is a whole new degree of pathetic for you. Especially since you're claiming that the different battle modes are the same in FF yet different here.
> If you think the two are even remotely similar you are blind as a bat.
Between the trailer we saw containing gameplay and the KH videos you posted the only difference is that an unknown guage fills in FF7R. That's it.
>While they have fancy names and have some differences ALL of them operate like ATB does.
You haven't played these games have you.
They all operate differently from ATB.
>>338066871
>wearing clothes that make you look better than you actually are
Spanx?
>>338066469
Tell the truth anon, when was the last time you played FF7 and FF12.
ATB and ADB are two completely different things with major differences separating them.
>>338067198
They're not graphical changes idiot. How dense are you?
Did you even look at the videos? Of course there are graphical changes but if you claim that the combat is the same then you actually ARE a blind as a bat.
>Between the trailer we saw containing gameplay and the KH videos you posted the only difference is that an unknown guage fills in FF7R. That's it.
You're worse than a blind bat, it seems.
>They all operate differently from ATB.
Explain to me how the battle system itself (not the real time movement) is any different from ATB?
You get me at XIII since I've yet to play it, but XIII-2 was ATB with stuff you could queue.
>>338067350
Don't bother. He legitimately thinks cooldown timers are the same as timers counting up to your next action. He's saying with honesty that he thinks FF7 and 7R play the same, but Yakuza and its remake don't. You can't logically argue against a point that wasn't arrived at with logic.
>>338067538
Hello, another time-traveler.
Since you all are convinced that people hate VIIR so much, why the fuck are the videos almost completely positively received?
>>338067198
>They all operate differently from ATB.
SE have been modifying ATB for every game since its conception. They will add modules on top to differentiate and experiment, eventually deciding on a config they like for their game.
The underlying principles of them are ATB though.
>>338067153
Yeah, that's a good translation.
Would love to have some extra little details added to the story. Like the origins of Shinra. Maybe some Spira references as well, but that is just pushing it.
>>338066023
A. He's sealed away in Deepground, asleep during FFVII
B. While Gackt will probably be willing to do it, his contact with SE is expired by now and they probably would have to negotiate another one with his agency in order to even use his likeness. Too much hassle to get back a character that had no bearing on the FFVII story to begin with.
Only reference I'd be willing to accept is the ability to acquire Genesis's sword for Cloud as one of his swords you can acquire over the course of the game.
>"Cloud, where'd you get that sword?"
>Found it.
>"What do you mean, 'found it?' What if it belongs to someone?"
>Kyominane. Mine now.
>"It looks really fancy. Who do you think it belonged to?"
>Probably some wanker.
>>338067614
Life must be a confusing mess for you. I truly am sorry. I can't imagine what it must be like to have had your prefrontal cortex completely removed or what trauma would have necessitated such a drastic procedure.
>>338068794
You already claimed to know how VIIR seems to play.
Time-traveler, fuck off.
>>338067514
>They're not graphical changes idiot. How dense are you?
That's exactly what they were, they played the exact same way as the previous game.
>Did you even look at the videos?
Certainly more than you have if you think a bit of flash makes a difference when the gameplay is literally the same.
>You're worse than a blind bat, it seems.
Says the man in denial.
But yeah you still haven't shown anything that's different. Even the menu layout is strikingly similar to KH's.
>Explain to me how the battle system itself (not the real time movement) is any different from ATB?
>parts of this battle system are different so they don't count!
Again pathetic.
Seeing as you ruled out the other differences on a technicality then I suppose there's the fact that there's an attack queuing system of sorts, also "active" and "wait" have two different affects in each game.
>>338068987
Not him but we've seen enough from the trailer to know that it's nothing like Final Fantasy 7 at all.
At this point you're just in denial.
>Classic getting a revival
It hurts
>>338069265
How the fuck do they play the same when their battle systems got severely changed? Especially Odin Sphere.
>Certainly more than you have if you think a bit of flash makes a difference when the gameplay is literally the same.
Oh fucking hell.
>In Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir, you will collect Phozons that can be used to strengthen your skills. You can develop your characters skills from a variety of choices and customize your fighting style to your liking. Skill commands can be assigned to button combinations for smoother combat.
More moves in general and far better gameplay as a result. Original had fuckall and was the worst aspect of the game.
Kiwami on the other hand included Styles and general changes from past games. In Y1 you had only 1 set "style" and it was clunky as fuck.
> Even the menu layout is strikingly similar to KH's.
Now I'm laughing. Why? Because every fucking FF has the same kind of menu with some varying text. Also, FFVIIR has the thing at the bottom. Name one Action game with menu selected Defend.
>Again pathetic.
How? They have slight changes but they're the same fucking ATB more or less. The biggest change is in LR. But especially XII is literally just ATB with different name.
>>338068987
I am still so, so sorry for you my friend. I wish I could do something for you. Really. You have all my sympathies.
>>338069427
>Not him but we've seen enough from the trailer to know that it's nothing like Final Fantasy 7 at all.
Not him, but that's actually a point in it's favor.
FFVII is a great story and world, but as a game, it's pretty unremarkable and far too easy to break, though that has to do with the materia system making it so that the only difference between party members is stats and limits, which kind of harkens back to what I said >>338058713 here;
>and I've always said that FFVII's battle system is inherently flawed in it's execution and the materia system would be put to far better use in a different genre, so we'll see how that turns out.
The problem is that, beyond Aeris, you're not really affected much by your choice of party members. I honestly couldn't think of a reason to bring Tifa anywhere beyond tiddies, since her stats are so mediocre and her limit tends to be a bit of a wild card if you're shit at slots, but even when I did, nothing really changed much.
The only reason they're making it is for easy money. The entire game is being made on FFXV's engine so it will feel the same as FFXV.
>>338069427
>Not him but we've seen enough from the trailer to know that it's nothing like Final Fantasy 7 at all.
Based on...?
>“I can’t say the new game is completely action-based, but it has more of that element and real-time than the previous game,” Kitase said in a developer video
http://gematsu.com/2015/12/yoshinori-kitase-final-fantasy-vii-remake-not-completely-action-based
>>338069427
What I hate the most is how they changed the anime style and look from the original game into the advent children characters.
Cloud is now too tall. And barret is not an ultra nigga anymore.
>>338070041
>FFVII
>Anime style
>>338069756
>we'll never get the FF7 remake we deserve
>>338070001
>The entire game is being made on FFXV's engine so it will feel the same as FFXV.
But it's being made on Unreal 4 and looks damn near nothing like FFXV beyond particle effects (which are similar throughout every FF title.)
How are you not aware of this? Kindly refrain from posting about this game if you don't know anything about it.
>>338070186
You deserve nothing as you'll whine at every little change.
>3 full size games
Is that 3 official or just people assuming things?
>>338067350
>but you can move around while the ATB bar is filling up!
>but you can queue actions after the ATB bar has filled up!
Not even him but that feels like nitpicking. The function of the time bar itself remains unchanged. It determines when you get to take action. You don't get to take them at will and you it's not turn-based either, it's up to the time bar. So while the entirity of the encounter and battle system is different, he is right in that the games still use the ATB system in them.
This is like saying you can't control the direction of your attacks and you can't use different stances with the same weapon in Rune like you can in Jedi Outcast so one of them is not a real time action game. It doesn't matter that they do certain things differently, you still get to freely choose when to attack.
>>338070242
It's using the same combat system. It will feel like a reskinned FFXV.
>>338065585
What an underated movie
>>338070515
>It's using the same combat system. It will feel like a reskinned FFXV.
Hello, yet another time-traveler. This thread sure has many time traveleres.
>>338070186
people who want remakes get exactly what they deserve
>>338035334
already dropped when they announced it will be 3 games.
I still play the original sometimes, it was nice thinking someday we could have a HD version, but not like this.
and leave ff13 out of this, it did nothing wrong. taking one game and making it 3 is not the same as a trilogy.
>>338070186
Nigger I just wanted a new GEX game this year and Square-Enix is keeping it hostage
>>338070515
Demonstrably untrue.
>>338070041
>What I hate the most is how they changed the anime style and look from the original game into the advent children characters.
You can thank Hashimoto for that one.
At least Nomura made them look pretty good in their realistic depictions this time around. Cloud looks fucking fierce compared to his baby face from Advent Children.
>>338070702
Do you really want another mediocre 3D platformer where Gex keeps on repeating oh so funny popculture references non-stop?
>>338069997
>it's pretty unremarkable and far too easy to break
That doesn't mean you should throw out the game that people enjoyed though. It means you should use the input you've accumulated over the years from fan and worker alike to fix that gameplay and improve it.
If there's a problem with the Materia system you fix it. Simple as that.
>>and I've always said that FFVII's battle system is inherently flawed in it's execution and the materia system would be put to far better use in a different genre, so we'll see how that turns out.
Then they should have just made a Final Fantas 16 using the system they're using in the remake rather than call this a remake.
At this point it's an entirely new game that borrows elements.
>>“I can’t say the new game is completely action-based, but it has more of that element and real-time than the previous game,”
Ergo, it's fairly different and not the same as FF7.
>>338070589
>>338070704
The combat footage starts at 1:18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3sBZ5Nr4hc
It's literally the same as FFXV's combat.
>>338070843
Simply saying "fix it" and "balance it" doesn't balance them.
What if it is so completely fucked that it needs complete redo?
In the end, the combat was painfully mediocre.
>At this point it's an entirely new game that borrows elements.
Stop crying, please.
>>338070668
>thinking there's anything wrong with remakes
>especially when it comes to final fantasy a series that reinvents the wheel with each new numbered iteration
>>338039134
Not everyone played the original ff7. This shit "remake" is going to lead to retarded kids never playing the original. I don't want kingdom hearts fags to be able to enjoy the story/world if they can't also enjoy turn based gameplay. It will cheapen the original FF7s place in history.
>>338071003
You still haven't answered, diehard fanboi or paid shill?
>>338070945
That's funny because Kitase said it's (VIIR) not going to be a complete ARPG, there are no mystery meters in FFXV and you can control other characters than just Cloud.
How is it same again?
>>338070810
>Do I want another GEX game?
.....I just said yes?
>>338048056
to be fair, REmake is more of a REmaster and people want the latter.
a redo is literally a remake for the other anon
>>338071075
Let's get this started.
>FFVII
>Turnbased
>[Whining about Kingdom Hearts for whatever reason]
>Acting like an elitist over babby's first JRPG
>>338071125
Diehard fanboys are the ones who continuously jack off to VII like it's some holy grail where you're not allowed to touch anything.
Sorry.
>>338071130
Look right at the start of the footage and notice how ATTACK is blue. That's because the person playing is holding down X which is making Cloud autoattack just like in FFXV.
>>338071125
Oh and I forgot to ask, how would you balance the game, again? You seem determined that a simple balance would fix it, but how?
>>338071003
>Simply saying "fix it" and "balance it" doesn't balance them.
Of course it doesn't everything needs time an effort but it would be considerably easier than a total rehaul,
>What if it is so completely fucked that it needs complete redo?
Nothing is ever completely fucked that it warrants that. Especially since it was such a minor flaw in FF7 in the first place.
At this point you're just projecting your feelings about the original and passing them off as an objective view of it.
>Stop crying, please.
Who's crying?
This isn't a remake of Final Fantasy 7 by any stretch of the imagination because the brunt of the gameplay is different.
>>338071295
Jesus Fucking Christ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TEygjqrcYE
How is it the same again?
>>338071492
The UI is different but it is the same combat system.
>>338070843
>If there's a problem with the Materia system you fix it. Simple as that.
The problem with the materia system is the genre it's incorporated in. The only way to "fix" it is to "gimp" it, and if that's what has to be done, I'd rather than make an entirely different game that uses it, because for all it's problems, the materia system itself is actually pretty genius.
The rest of your post isn't really worth refuting, because we're not talking about FFXVI, we're talking about FFVIIR, and saying that FFVIIR shouldn't be FFVIIR because the combat isn't the same is a completely subjective opinion. If Nomura wants to make it an Action RPG, more power to him; I'm excited for what it'll entail and how it'll incorporate materia usage into combat.
I mean, shit, I was pretty pissed about the Syndicate Reboot being an FPS, but I actually ended up enjoying that game, so I'm not going to stay narrow minded about the FFVII remake.
>>338036165
Emerald and Ruby WEAPON won be nearly as fun
>>338071634
>we're going to have to stealth our way around Emerald weapon in HD murky, dark, deep water.
panic.ogg
>>338071287
Let's get this started:
>Taking turns as dictated by a timer isn't taking turns lel
>Wanting the game you like to remain the same genre when it's remade
>Pot meet kettle
>>338071487
See >>338071395
It's just pointless whining if even you can't think of anything to balance it. I don't mean it as something that it would happen but if you just say "balance it" and don't know how at all then doesn't that mean that it's pretty fucked up?
>Especially since it was such a minor flaw in FF7 in the first place.
>Minor
FFVII was piss easy game where you could get through with nothing but cure, haste and attack on your side. Or just plain the OP three enemy skills.
>At this point you're just projecting your feelings about the original and passing them off as an objective view of it.
Then give some ideas how to fix it.
>This isn't a remake of Final Fantasy 7 by any stretch of the imagination because the brunt of the gameplay is different.
REMAKE.
NOT A REMASTER. You whined about me not saying overhaul so I'm whining about you whining about this for the sake of whining.
Besides that you're equating THE WHOLE FFVII as the same as the barebones ATB combat system. If there isn't barebones ATB system then it's not FFVII. That doesn't make sense in the slightest.
>>338071589
I don't even know what to say at you idiocy.
Yes, I saw Cloud warp striking around while switching weapons on the fly and shit. It's literally the same, isn't it?
>>338071896
Except that the enemy doesn't take turns. The limitation is completely one sided.
>Wanting the game you like to remain the same genre when it's remade
Again, what genre is it suddenly jumping into? It's a JRPG.
>But this 5 second gameplay that is yet to be explained but has been claimed to not to be ARPG proves that it in fact is ARPG - trust me, I'm a time-traveler!
>>338037767
Honestly, I never noticed they weren't buttoned.
Suck it in, Yuffie.
>>338071287
So, you're a diehard fanboi of the series as a whole, the type that likes everything regardless of quality because of the name only? Good to know
>>338071395
That's a different anon. But what the hell.
>Balance
It's a SP game, it's incredibly easy to balance. How specifically to do it is not my job and would need specific imbalance examples to work from. You aren't balancing competitive advantages, you're balancing cheese with natural power growth and expectation. Balancing the grind to good shit with how good that shit is and how early you could possibly grind for it etc.
Balance was never that anon's complaint, it was yours. How would YOU balance your complaints?
>>338071613
Not him but you are aware that the crux of your arguement is
>Nope they can't do anything else but this one thing
>nothing at all
Also if the gameplay doesn't resemble that of the original game it can't be called a remake of said game because they've made no attempt to remake and improve the gameplay people relate with FF7.
They've essentially just slapped the story onto a completely different game and called it a day, if anything it's more of a reboot than a remake
>>338072042
>Yes, I saw Cloud warp striking around while switching weapons on the fly and shit. It's literally the same, isn't it?
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Thank you for finally agreeing with me.
>>338064352
Go to any Denuvo thread and say the exact same bullshit you said and see that you'll get burned. Fuck off with that shit, pirates that justifies their action with bullshit reasons are fucking worse.
>>338035334
>One reason cited for multiple parts was so SqEn"did not have to cut any of the original content "
in what world is this logical?
I guess I'll play Devil's Advocate here and say that a remake of FFVII with no cut content and modern crazy FF production values was never going to happen with just one game.
Games are way bigger tasks now then back when FFVII came out, which was already huge for its time.
>>338039356
actually, the entire game fits on one disc easily. most of the space went to the fmvs. the actual game is about 400~500mb, if I recall correctly.
>>338072317
>So, you're a diehard fanboi of the series as a whole, the type that likes everything regardless of quality because of the name only? Good to know
Baseless assumption. I don't like III, VIII and IX from those that I've played.
>It's a "dude it's so fucking easy to balance but I won't tell you how because it's not my job lol" episode
If you don't know how the fuck you'd balance it then why do you even whine about revamping the combat system?
>>338072385
Get your eyes checked, you might be going blind.
Not coming out before 2018. Give it a rest.
>>338072410
>go into a thread where pirates are always deemed as bad for reasons
Yeah because THAT'S going to get reasonable and well thought out results.
Needless to say that shit has lost sales especially in this day and age where more and more people are getting wary of their purchases.
>fps look garbage
Its alpha build. faggot
>>338072867
Pirating a game is not the same as purchasing it.
I will be able to sit down with this game with an open mind. Fact is, if I pine for the original, I can just pop that in and play it.
>>338073054
Ever heard of try before you buy?
>>338073150
""""""try""""""""
>>338073064
The problem being that people wanted an improved and enhanced FF7 remake with more content, not FFXV-Cloud Story
>>338047972
you were about done with disc 2, then (i.e right when it gets good again)
pick it back up you homo.
>>338072645
>how would you fix the balance problem?
>have no workable imbalance example to use and work on
>speak in generalities because of a lack of specificity
Gee, wonder how this happened?
>why do you even whine about revamping the combat system?
You really have to stop equatiing all replies as the same anon.
>Baseless assumption
>but I hope they expand on the universe by adding elements from the compilation for the biggest fans of FFVII.
>implying this isn't you
It's cute you avoided the FF7 series nonsense and just went with FF in general though.
>>338073276
I don't get what your point is here.
>>338073289
>The people wanted this and that
>Yet reception for the game so far is good.
You people really should stop being so salty.
> not FFXV-Cloud Story
wwwwwwwwwww
>>338073467
>fans should stop being so salty
>fans that have been teased with a real remake since the launch of the PS3 should stop being so salty
Video games are dead after this generation huh.
>>338071287
>Videogames
>real time
All video games are turn based, you take 60 turns a second.
>>338073352
>have no workable imbalance example to use and work on
I've mentioned many several times and so has the other anon. >>338071613 >>338069997
But as for me the biggest issue is that all you (literally) need to beat the game is Attack + Cure with some Regen / Haste for good measure. That's it.
Before you get Regen/Haste you can just replace it with Enemy Skill like Trine.
>but I hope they expand on the universe by adding elements from the compilation for the biggest fans of FFVII.
Yeah, this is not me, sorry to disappoint.
I'm a fan of FFVII but I'm not such a boring person that I think that all it needs is a shiny coat of paint (at which point it's just a remaster, really).
>>338035334
>didn't want to cut content
This is such horseshit. There are other JRPGS that are just as long as if not longer than FF7 in the modern era and they think they have to split it up? Tales games come out like clockwork and they have the same run time. Square just wants to milk this for all its worth.
>>338073716
>It's a "It's not a real remake because I traveled to the future and I saw what it was like and I don't like it" episode
>>338073747
Fair point.
>>338039959
Maybe if you're a casual skipping all of the content.
Kids these days, they don't know how to play RPGs.
>>338039134
>Faggots wanted a remake
>literally called a remake
>>338057981
why the fuck does Barret suddenly have glasses?
>people in thread actually defending ATB
>calling ATB wait turn based
>>338073848
>Tales games come out like clockwork and they have the same run time
Because they're games full of rehashing? Duh. Not to mention they're not nearly as graphically intensive as something like XV or VIIR.
>>338073789
>But as for me the biggest issue is that all you (literally) need to beat the game is Attack + Cure with some Regen / Haste for good measure.
Then you either buff the enemy AI so they counter that strategy or lower the usefulness of those abilities without making them entirely useless.
It's a simple solution anon.
>>338062387
not even that guy, but seriously, git gud. FF7 has MAYBE 4 or 5 bosses that are actually somewhat of a challenge, and 2 of them are optional (meaning you can go back when your higher leveled and 2 hit them)
>>338073789
>lower attack damage
>increase cure cost, reduce amount cured
>reduce regen duration, increase cost, decrease strength
>Haste
>reduce speed up, increase cost
>give enemies debuffing skills to remove them, like Slow or Stop
>make enemies target the one healing
>make enemies use zombie on somebody with regen so they're draining HP instead
>Enemy Skill
Pretty much all just strength nerfs so minor calculation changes
Like I said, balance is easy work in a non-competitive environment.
>>338074043
>Then you either buff the enemy AI so they counter that strategy
So how do you do that, again?
Have auto-counter for all regular attacks?
Have enemies reduce your healing taken all the time?
> lower the usefulness of those abilities without making them entirely useless.
Make them (regen/haste) even a bit worse and that's what they're going to be.
>>338072363
>Also if the gameplay doesn't resemble that of the original game it can't be called a remake of said game
People keep saying this like it fucking matters to the end product.
The only thing that matters is whether or not the end product is fun to play.
>>338073898
In any case ATB is as turn based as real time can get. The only real difference is you have to pick your menu choice quickly. Nitpicking when people call ff7 turn based despite its admittedly real time menu based gameplay that clearly resembles the original NES titles and is extremely far removed from true ARPGs and brawlers is disingenuous and adds little to the discussion.
>>338073989
>Because they're games full of rehashing?
This is literally a remake.
All they had to do was remake the game and add a large amount of new content and expand the story like every other remake under the sun.
>Not to mention they're not nearly as graphically intensive as something like XV or VIIR.
No one asked for that.
It's totally unnecessary and only serves to create the multiple release bullshit that has people wary of the game.
So, this came out and no one is talking about it.
https://youtu.be/CzIsbgDt5oM
Can VII:R overworld top XV?
>>338074442
>All they had to do was remake the game and add a large amount of new content and expand the story like every other remake under the sun.
Do you even know what a fucking remake is?
Remakes often make changes to combat because usually enough time has passed to make it something more evolved instead of literally outdated stuff.
>No one asked for that.
What?
No one asked for a graphical update for the game? So why are you here and not playing the current PS4 FFVII?
>>338074404
>People keep saying this like it fucking matters to the end product.
You do realise the GAMEplay is the largest part of a GAME right?
If the GAMEplay isn't the same as the GAME it's a remake of then it's not remaking the GAME is it?
This isn't a hard concept to understand anon.
>The only thing that matters is whether or not the end product is fun to play.
The problem there is that fun is a subjective term, what may be fun for someone else may not adhere to your definition.
>>338072867
Please, do justify your practice with bullshit claims even more. Lost sales are always due to bad marketing, bad release, or the game is just not good/glitchy. No sane person would skip buying a game they like just because it had a DRM, unless they can get it for free. (i.e : piracy) because free stuff always attract more attention.
>inb4 I always the games I like after I pirate
80-90% of you don't, so no. I'm not trying to defend corporates or developers or anything but never ever justify piracy. Just fucking keep it to yourself.
>>338073150
Borrow it from your friend or someone else or something or play a demo or something.
>>338035334
This video summed up my opinions well. Do try to have an attentionspan for it beyond "THIS SAID SOIMETHING I DONT LIKE, DIDNT WATCH UR A FAGGOT"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJHW-QvsUo
I will say, I'm not against change, even as a FF7 "purist". A remake should have some change to freshen the game, to breath life into it and improve the formula. There's few games in the history of the industry that give you such a rich and fertile ground subject to work with.
Instead of doing that though, what this "remake" is doing is is more like a complete deconstruction, and it spits on everything FF7 should be. From what we've been show already, not only does this game spit in the face of the original fans that wanted a remake for so long, the KH faggots it caters directly to are telling the original fans that "they have no right to it and that its their game now" with their words and actions.
Any concept of "What FF7 is", is being thrown out the window for that faggot Nomura's image. The video is completely right, while we might have never gotten a proper remake even if it was 1:1 the same team since those ppl are different people now, it woulda been better than what we know about this game now.
I dont think Squarenix saved this game's remake till now to have it BASTARDIZED like this. But please do the predictable thing, tell me I'm wrong, tell me that despite loving this game dearly that I'm wrong and "judging it too early" despite knowing the game inside and out. Tell me how modern squarenix who cant even crank out a new KH, TLG, or even a FF spinoff without renaming it to a mainline FF title to save face, is going to NOT BUTCHER THIS TITLE.
Fuck the incoming Squarenixdrones, I hope you all choke on barbed wire.
>>338070754
Isn't Cloud SUPPOSED to have a baby face.
>>338074361
>Nerf fucking everything to the ground
Damn. What a great plan, boss.
>make enemies target the one healing
Uh, all fucking characters could heal provided you had cure equipped.
>make enemies use zombie on somebody with regen so they're draining HP instead
Yeah, I can see everyone just magically using zombie because that guy just used regen.
>>338074816
>Remakes often make changes to combat
No they don't. It's extremely rare to see a game that changes the combat especially in RPGs.
>instead of literally outdated stuff.
There's no such thing as outdated gameplay. Stop thinking like that.
>No one asked for a graphical update for the game?
No one asked for FF7 to be on the same tier as XV especially with that extremely long development time. You're forgetting that a Final Fantasy 7 remake has been held in front of fans faces for about 10 years now.
>>338074935
> not only does this game spit in the face of the original fans
You're not speaking for me, faget.
>he KH faggots it caters directly to
Where is the evidence for this?
> are telling the original fans that
Considering I like both, what am I telling myself?
>"they have no right to it and that its their game now
Ok, what, who and where?
>Any concept of "What FF7 is", is being thrown out the window for that faggot Nomura's image.
You're a fucking idiot if you're actually crying about Nomura.
>>338072363
>Also if the gameplay doesn't resemble that of the original game it can't be called a remake of said game because they've made no attempt to remake and improve the gameplay people relate with FF7.
Sure they can! They're doing exactly that. :^)
Hell, outside of some errant youtube comments and closet casuals on /v/, there isn't even really that much bitching about it. People's main concerns is how they're going to handle the characters and story and whether or not they'll actually take advantage of the multi-release structure and actually fill it with worthwhile content.
Stay mad as you want, /v/; you know this game will sell like hotcakes and there's nothing you can do to stop it. All you can do is impotently shitpost while other people enjoy it.
>>338074935
Good god. If you hate the remake so much, just rip the HD models from it and mod it to the old game. Someone will eventually.
>>338075014
>these things are too strong, how would you balance them
>wow you nerfed everything
Er, no shit.
>>338075239
I already listed three, Yakuza: Kiwami (bringing it up to modern standards), Odin Sphere Leifthrasir (almost complete overhaul) and White Knight Chronicles (changed to what it is in 2).
Another example I can think of is Atelier Rorona Plus which is pretty much a remake of Rorona rather than traditional Plus title.
Can you name me some remakes that don't do anything with the gameplay?
>There's no such thing as outdated gameplay. Stop thinking like that.
Yes there is. Many early 3D games have really clunky gameplay. Another example is Kingdom Hearts 1. Hell, even ATB itself has gone forward from being just a meter.
>with that extremely long development time.
It wasn't in full development senpai.
>>338069908
>XII is literally just ATB with different name.
Learn a bit: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_system
>>338075014
>Damn. What a great plan, boss.
You do realise that nerfing and buffing is always part of the process in balancing right?
Well, unless you're gamefreak where you keep on introducing new elements while refusing to do actual balancing.
>Uh, all fucking characters could heal provided you had cure equipped.
Then add more enemies that throw out the silence status and decrease the effectiveness of cure.
>Yeah, I can see everyone just magically using zombie because that guy just used regen.
So what exactly is wrong with putting in more enemies that can stop an overpowered style of play exactly?
Seems to me you're just refusing perfectly good ideas for no reason.
>>338074834
>>338074834
>You do realise the GAMEplay is the largest part of a GAME right?
Yes, which is why I'm glad based Nomura actually went about making FFVIIR more of a game than the source material.Besides, no matter how mad you are at the Remake, you CAN'T be upset at the prospect of how much rule 34 is going to come out of this, especially with SFM being as big as it is these days.
>>338035334
>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
RIP FF7 Remake, 2015-2016
>>338075668
http://www.giantbomb.com/active-dimension-battle/3015-685/
>>338075625
That's like the laziest solution. Inevitably that would lead to other things becoming overpowered in comparison instead (that weren't particularly powerful).
>>338075668
Did you read the description?
>The ADB system eliminates random battles; the battles take place on the field with no separate battle screen and as such there is no transition between exploration and battle.
That's the only difference. Otherwise it's the same as ATB.
My only complaintgraphicallyis how Cloud's hair looks in the remake compared to the original.
>>338075672
>Just fucking throw status element inducing monsters everywhere
>In fact, just make everyone cast death
I fix'd it senpai
>So what exactly is wrong with putting in more enemies that can stop an overpowered style of play exactly?
it's not an overpowered playstyle. It's the fact that regen is OP. So now they inflict zombie, then what? You just don't either use regen at all anymore or get status immunity.
>>338075897
Yeah, it's ADB and the only games that use it are:
Xenoblade Chronicles X
White Knight Chronicles II
The Last Story
Xenoblade Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles: International Edition
Final Fantasy XII
>>338075787
Yes, that's how balance usually works after nerfing something.
Then the next overpowered tactic emerges and gets nerfed.
This isn't a competitive environment though so there is some leeway with balance based on the availability of certain skills and spells. The gradual power creep of the player plays a huge part in SP balance.
>>338035334
It's a modified Crisis core battle system nigger.
>>338045762
>>338046970
Good job proving me right you retarded child.
>hurr people wanted a 1:1 copy with better graphics
No, they wanted updated turnbased combat.
>>338076103
SE have been modifying ATB since its conception and has been an underlying principle for many of the subsequent variants.
You can pretty it up but it still functions like ATB at its core.
>>338076103
Actually the only game that uses it is FFXII.
https://www.google.com/patents/US5390937 (ATB)
https://www.google.ch/patents/US20070213107 (ADB)
Stop being dumb.
>>338075659
You listed three, two of which barely change anything.
Pokemon alone counters that number.
Then you have the various DQ and FF remakes excluding 7 for obvious reasons, Etrian Odyssey, SM64 DS etc. That add new elements and a large amount of content without changing the core gameplay that people enjoyed in the first place.
Oh and before you argue semantics with Etrian, remember that classic mode is still in the game.
You don't seem to understand what a remake and a retelling/reboot are. For reference it's not FF7R.
>Many early 3D games have really clunky gameplay.
You are aware that most 3D games use the same gameplay with slight revisions right as opposed to a rehaul. If anything that's just reinforcing my point that FF7R should have been an improved version of 7 as opposed to a new game.
>It wasn't in full development senpai.
You haven't been paying attention to the development cycle of the game have you.
>>338076405
Hiroyuki Ito created ATB and ADB. ADB is an evolution of ATB, he named them himself. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why is it so hard to understand?
>>338076467
You're a retard if you think that those game don't use the ADB or something that's is clearly like the ADB system.
>>338076601
>You listed three, two of which barely change anything.
What? Which two? Are you the same guy? If so, why the fuck do you insist they barely change anything?
>Pokemon alone counters that number.
How? Consider the fact that Natures, genders, eggs, IV/EV are added to the remakes it is brought to modern standards and gameplay is literally changed because of new stat growth and shit.
>Then you have the various DQ
DQ is a stale series to begin with, it barely changes at all in gameplay because Japan would explode if it did (DQIX) so it mostly sticks to QoL changes.
>You don't seem to understand what a remake and a retelling/reboot are. For reference it's not FF7R.
Why exactly is FF7R not a remake? Just because you don't approve of it doesn't make you right.
>>338076781
Because when core functionality is the same, the new name means nothing in this context.
Yes, various iterations of it exist but it's the underlying functions we are discussing.
>>338035334
>it's what the people want
maybe the casual faggots born after 1990
>>338076781
>Hiroyuki Ito created ATB and ADB. ADB is an evolution of ATB, he named them himself. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why is it so hard to understand?
That's not his point at all.
The system itself is LITERALLY ATB with the addition of real-time movement and overworld fights. The ATB portion doesn't disappear anywhere.
>You're a retard if you think that those game don't use the ADB or something that's is clearly like the ADB system.
They literally can't use ADB because it's patented by SE, idiot.
And seriously White Knight Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles don't play like XII at all.
>>338075719
what the fuck is wrong with Aeris face?
>>338077062
no, there is no point to discuss, it's ADB because it's different from the usual ATB. You can email Ito if you're still into this.
>>338077154
Xenoblade copied the Active Dimension Battle system and added some features. Play both games before saying this. Tetsuya Takahashi himself cited Final Fantasy XII in an interview as a game that showed an interesting new direction for JRPGs and added that Xenoblade Chronicles would be following in its foots
>>338077154
>And seriously White Knight Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles don't play like XII at all.
not him but what the fuck anon, those games play pretty similar and it is obvious they were inspired by ff12.
>>338077938
>no, there is no point to discuss, it's ADB because it's different from the usual ATB. You can email Ito if you're still into this.
For fuck's sake anon.
This isn't about the name or the movement but what it is at its core: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh__EhMck6s just look at the fucking ATB bars, it's the same shit as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BqI3y4uzF0 ATB.
There's no difference between the two.
>Xenoblade copied the Active Dimension Battle system and added some features.
But it's not ADB as it is patented.
>>338078201
I stand corrected.
Memory was playing tricks on me regarding WKC especially.
>>338076989
>What? Which two? Are you the same guy? If so, why the fuck do you insist they barely change anything?
I'm not but I think you know which ones don't.
And it's because they don't anon they flash it up but ultimately it's the same mechanics.
>How?
For starters the underlying gameplay has been exactly the same since the first iteration unlike FF7R which went from an ATB RPG to an Action RPG.
>Consider the fact that Natures, genders, eggs, IV/EV are added to the remakes
Consider the fact that these don't change the genre of the game you're playing and they're a prime example of the "improve don't remove" angle that I'm trying to explain to you these additions only enhanced the core game.
Every mainline pokemon game has been a turn based RPG centered around capturing beasts in the wild and battling and trading with your friends. None of the remakes have diverged from this and become, say a tactics RPG.
>DQ is a stale series to begin with
So don't you think that would warrant a reboot like 7? Especially since this series doesn't have the world wide fame of FF7?
>it barely changes at all in gameplay because Japan would explode if it did (DQIX)
I don't get what you're trying to imply here, are you saying that the reception was bad in Japan?
You are aware that they opened up a bar in Akihabara as a meeting place for people who played the game as well as the fact that it's one of the few games to get a 40 out of 40 in Famitsu?
>Why exactly is FF7R not a remake?
Because it doesn't remake the game at all.
It hasn't retained a single aspect of the gameplay seen in FF7.
>>338078204
yeah, you're proving that FFXII is ADB and FFVII is atb with this 2 video.
>But it's not ADB as it is patented.
>no argument
It is then.
>>338078204
>There's no difference between the two.
Dude, are you serious?
>>338076601
Are you retarded, VIIR is the definition of a remake.
>>338078556
>this
Those*
>>338078556
>modified ATB is not ATB but modified ADB is definitely ADB
There's really nothing more to say at this point.
>>338078389
>And it's because they don't anon they flash it up but ultimately it's the same mechanics.
I'm seriously not sure which two you're talking about because all of them made changes to the gameplay, whether changing altogether or bringing them up to modern standards.
>to an Action RPG.
Source for this claim? I've got source to counter your claim after all. http://gematsu.com/2015/12/yoshinori-kitase-final-fantasy-vii-remake-not-completely-action-based
But of course, it's better to believe an anon who has seen 5 seconds of combat footage, right?
>So don't you think that would warrant a reboot like 7? Especially since this series doesn't have the world wide fame of FF7?
Reboot, where?
>I don't get what you're trying to imply here, are you saying that the reception was bad in Japan?
Yes. Because originally it was going to be ARPG but Japan went nuclear and they had to scrap it all and just make it turn-based instead.
>Because it doesn't remake the game at all.
It's literally remaking it.
>It hasn't retained a single aspect of the gameplay seen in FF7.
Why are you amounting the whole of FF7 into its molded ATB system?
>>338078658
There is a difference, the real time movement like I've said but at its core, in battle, it's literally the same ATB bar - how many times do I need to repeat this?
>>338078556
Like >>338078781 said, you're insisting that, despite the fact that no non-SE games can be ADB because of patent, they're STILL ADB games for some reason. But for some reason ADB which is ATB with real time movement and overworld encounters somehow isn't ATB.
Either pick both or pick neither.
>>338035864
just like latest starfox right? :^)
looking forward to the remake.
love action
love FFVII
loving everything about this remake. yes, even the episodic nature.
>>338037123
For you
>>338036553
>the swearing.
It was added in my unprofessional translators and does not reflect the original text. Swearing will be gone and for a good reason.
>>338079113
i'm not insisting it's very clear. You should play them or replay.
>>338078781
"adding features" not modifying the whole thing. You should take FFX and FFXII/Xenoblade as an example.
>>338079689
localising =/= translating
>>338079751
>i'm not insisting it's very clear. You should play them or replay.
No you idiot, they cannot be literal ADB because ADB is -------patented----- by SE and as such nobody else can use it directly. If it was directly used they would get sued the fuck out of them.
Meanwhile ADB is literally just ATB with RTM and overworld encounters, like I've said like 10 times now. It's not completely modified into something unrecognizable, since the regular ATB meter is still there and prominent during battles.
>>338079751
The underlying principles of combat are still ATB
Adding a feature is a modification.
>>338077513
nothing.
She a cutie patootieWho I want to sit on my face and force me shilly her shally
>>338035334
Why FF7 REMAKE so soon? Are they afraid about FFXV failling?
>>338078906
>I've got source to counter your claim after all.
That's not a counter, if anything that's proof that it is because he says there's Action RPG elements within the game. Also here's your proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3sBZ5Nr4hc
> it's better to believe an anon who has seen 5 seconds of combat footage, right?
You mean the combat footage that proves the genre change?
>Reboot, where?
The FF7 "remake" anon.
>Because originally it was going to be ARPG
Can I get a source on that?
Because the results vary from POSSIBLY fan reception to Horii having a change of heart very early on.
>It's literally remaking it.
They're rebooting it, not remaking it.
A remake would imply that they're making an attempt to do the game again and improve it.
What we're seeing here is Square making a new game with similar assets to 7.
>Why are you amounting the whole of FF7 into its molded ATB system?
Because it was the gameplay people associate with FF7?
You can't exactly call it a remake if it doesn't even resemble what it was prior.
It's like breaking down a chair and rebuilding it into a bed but still calling it a chair.
>>338076103
>The Last Story
I don't remember this playing anything like FFXII other than having an optional auto attack
>>338080102
>>338080092
>>338076781
>Hiroyuki Ito created ATB and ADB. ADB is an evolution of ATB, he named them himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NscE_D7OqZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUrk2-bVn8
And we're done with this.
>>338035334
>>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
Aaaaand dropped.
Welp. It was fun while it lasted, guys.
>>338080279
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3sBZ5Nr4hc
>1:17 to 1:20 shows the attack button blinking in time with weapon swings, indicating feedback for individual button presses corresponding with weapon swings in real time
>At no point does the speculated "atb bar" play into what is happening on screen at all
Idk what you mean, Anon. This is /clearly/ atb at its core. You're just blind.
>>338035334
>It's what the people want
[citation needed]
>>338080645
For a minute there I thought you were the anon I was talking with.
Almost got me with that one.
>>338080334
Its core:
> the ADB system is a cross between a real-time battle system and the ATB (Active Time Battle) system used in past Final Fantasy games. The battles are fully seamless, with no battle transitions or separate battle screens. The actual gameplay mechanics of ADB are a mixture of MMORPGs and Vagrant Story. A prominent feature in games that use ADB is Auto-Attack replacing manually entering basic attacks.
it's a 'lite' version of Final Fantasy XII's Active Dimension Battle system, i didn't say it's EXACTLY like FFXII.
How will the battle system work?
Kitase: “Rather than a command-based battle ensuing when you encounter an enemy, we’re aiming for a seamless active battle, as you can see in the trailer.”
Nomura: “Regarding the battle speed and tempo, for the sake of a stress-free battle, we want to do something on the level of Dissidia Final Fantasy. As far as the degree of action goes, it’s Dissidia Final Fantasy, then Kingdom Hearts, then Final Fantasy VII Remake. There won’t be any actions that require a technique. By using the new system, we want to do action battles while also being able to fight while thinking strategically.”
What about the elements of the original battle system?
Nomura: “In the end, it’s based on Final Fantasy VII, so elements like the ATB gauge and Limit Breaks will appear with new ways to be used. Please look forward to how this game will evolve through the remake.”
>>338080279
Elements =/= it's literally an ARPG, idiot.
Game can use horror elements (or a horror level) but that doesn't make it horror game, does it?
A better example is that there are RPG elements in a game but that won't make it an RPG since every fucking game these days would be an RPG then.
>The FF7 "remake" anon.
How exactly is it a reboot? Do you even know what reboot means? Somewhat changed combat system =/= Reboot. Changed origins, character and such = Reboot.
>You mean the combat footage that proves the genre change?
No, that's literally your assumption and nothing more.
>Can I get a source on that?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/12/12/dragon-quest-ix-gameplay-details
This is the trailer with ARPG gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw95eMdbgLw
The game was repurposed into "Fantasy Life" afterwards.
>They're rebooting it, not remaking it.
See above.
>You can't exactly call it a remake if it doesn't even resemble what it was prior.
Because it's not the same battle system down to a Tee? Again, it's far too early to make any sort of assumptions. Especially based on 5 seconds of combat.
>>338080758
There's an overwhelming like for what the game is shaping up to be if youtube is an accurate indicator.
But the problem there is that the majority haven't played FF7 in their life so they think that's what it was in the first place.
>>338081048
Crisis Core Battle System
>>338080430
I give up, you're hopeless. The name doesn't mean anything: What it is at core is what's the point here. The point, which you ignore.
Another point you ignore is the fact that ADB is patented and can't be used by others. At best they can create copycat systems with modifications.
>>338081147
>There's an overwhelming like for what the game is shaping up to be
[citation needed]
>>338081147
>But the problem there is that the majority haven't played FF7 in their life so they think that's what it was in the first place.
[Citation Needed]
>>338080430
Nobody is arguing that it's not an evolutionread: modificationof ATB.
You are one dense mother fucker.
>>338035334
>It's what the people want
You think you do, but you don't.
>>338081361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3sBZ5Nr4hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kznek1uNVsg
>>338039468
Welp that's it I don't care for it anymore. They're going to retcon the story for all the retards who didn't understand it and cloud's going to be some mopey emo fucker rather than the sarcastic asshole he's supposed to be.
>>338055067
>/v/ shits on literally every single game
Undertale and Minecraft are universally loved on this board.
>>338081562
[Citation Needed]
>>338035334
It certainly is not what I want. Fuck Squeenix forever.
>>338081562
nomura is in charge. he knows cloud better than anyone.
>>338081092
>Elements =/= it's literally an ARPG, idiot.
The problem is that these aren't just elements are they?
It's redefined the entire game and how it's played, just take a look at the trailer.
>Somewhat changed combat system =/= Reboot
>somewhat
They rehauled the entire system anon.
>Changed origins, character and such = Reboot.
They've also stated that the story isn't going to be the same as it was before.
It's a reboot and you should have realised this a long time ago.
>No, that's literally your assumption and nothing more.
You do realise we have proof right?
>http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/12/12/dragon-quest-ix-gameplay-details
>This is the trailer with ARPG gameplay
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw95eMdbgLw
Not too big on reading are you.
I'm looking for source on the reason for the change anon not that it was going to be an ARPG.
As of yet there's no stated reason for the change back to traditional RPG.
>See above.
Learn the difference between a remake and a reboot.
Also see above.
>Because it's not the same battle system down to a Tee?
Because it changed the gameplay in its entirety and has already been stated to change the story.
> it's far too early to make any sort of assumptions.
We have everything we need already. They aren't going to discard the entire game at this point in time.
>>338081578
you must be new here.
FFVI remake when?
>>338081263
They can't be that dense without an agenda to push.
I really hope they're well compensated.
>>338081263
>>338081430
Learn to use the right abbreviation next time.
>>338082201
Apply context next time.
>>338081972
But it's already been remade, Anon. It's perfect and in glorious HD now.
>>338081793
>The problem is that these aren't just elements are they?
Again, baseless assumptions that you literally can't know about.
>It's redefined the entire game and how it's played, just take a look at the trailer.
Maybe, maybe not. Nothing is fucking explained yet. Crying ARPG at this point is useless. They want actiony elements in the game but they're not going to make it literal ARPG.
>They've also stated that the story isn't going to be the same as it was before.
They're going to expand on it, not literally change everything. Hell, the fucking trailers we have been shown are the same as the original FFVII beginning was.
>You do realise we have proof right?
You only have 5 second clip which you have turned inside in your head into proof of ARPG when literal devs have said it's not going to be an ARPG. Again, elements do not a genre make.
>I'm looking for source on the reason for the change anon not that it was going to be an ARPG.
You asked source for the ARPG claim, look for yourself and blame yourself >>338080279
>Learn the difference between a remake and a reboot.
No, you should learn the difference. Combat system has NOTHING to do with a reboot.
the design is garbage
>those hand
Also my autism is triggered. How can he wield that big sword with those tiny hand?
>>338082483
>>338081793
But if you insist on soos this is the closest I can get right now
>http://www.1up.com/news/tgs-japan-takes-dragon-quest
>When Square Enix announced that Dragon Quest IX would be a real-time action-RPG with multiplayer components a few years back, Japanese fans had a collective conniption fit; enough so that series mastermind Yuji Horii recanted and reverted the game to a more traditionally styled RPG. Last week's announcement that Dragon Quest X would be an online-only MMO didn't seem to spark quite so much anger, but I still get a sense of resentment from the Japanese online community at large.
>>338082483
Holy fucking shit you are actually retarded. I am seriously impressed here.
>>338082798
Well constructed argument, anon.
>>338081492
first 10 comments of first video
1.
>why is barret wearing sunglasses
>in a city where you cant see the sun
2.
>I'm just imagining how fighting a house is going to look
3.
>I want to cry but I want to scream with happiness too
4.
>where's Tifa, Aerith and Sephiroth???
5.
>If i die before the release i kill myself !
6.
>RIP xbox. This will put the final nail in the coffin for you.
7.
>Is this the new kingdom hearts?
8.
>I hope the gameplay is more Crisis Core than Final Fantasy 13! Other than that I hope it stays true to the original, making it episodic is totally okay if it's due to the size and wanting to include everything. (please keep the crossdressing scene)
9.
>And all the fanboys will be crying as this is not turn-based battle. I love it! Wow!!! Freeze-frame at 1:24. SUPER PARTICLE MAYHEM BEAUTIFULNESS!!! EYE-GASM!
10.
>Imagine Red XIII and Cosmo Cannon!, imagine bungenhagen floating!!! omg!
the only guy talking about the combat system is saying he doesn't want it to be like FF13
and when the trailer was released, people were still not sure about what the combat is gonna be like anyway
>There's an overwhelming like for what the game is shaping up to be
[citation needed]
>>338082738
he doesn't wield the sword properly. when he jumps off the train he struggles to pick it up off the floor.
also, nanom-i mean mako.
>>338082928
You do realise that the only comment in the ones you listed that can be interpret as negative is #7, right?
>>338082483
>Again, baseless assumptions that you literally can't know about.
We've seen everything we need to, like I said before they aren't going to discard that work this far into development to make it more a traditional ATB FF game.
>Maybe, maybe not. Nothing is fucking explained yet.
See above.
>They're going to expand on it, not literally change everything.
>expand
They have never stated that they're going to "expand" on it, they outright said that it's not going to be the same.
>You only have 5 second clip which you have turned inside in your head into proof
See above.
>when literal devs have said it's not going to be an ARPG.
They said it's not going to be entirely an action RPG, we've seen that it's predominantly an action RPG.
If you're saying it's going to have trace amounts of ARPG and be based more around ATB then why can't the reverse be true in the sense that it's going to be based around an ARPG and have trace amounts of ATB?
After all that's what the evidence has been showing us so far and it's in line with what the developers are saying about the game.
>You asked source for the ARPG claim
See
>Because the results vary from POSSIBLY fan reception to Horii having a change of heart very early on.
Learn to read.
You also seemed to have missed the "because" there.
>No, you should learn the difference. Combat system has NOTHING to do with a reboot.
Yes yes, Combat, story, world design, characterization all play into it and it's already been confirmed that they've changed in various interviews.
>>338082928
>There's an overwhelming of cautious optimism for what the game is shaping up to be
Not that anon but this is more accurate
>>338083101
His body proportions are all kinds of fucked up, not surprised those chicken wings have some trouble.
>>338082905
Arguments are wasted on you. No, I'll stick to laughing. Thanks.
>>338082767
Also this isn't a source or evidence of your claims.
There's no actual proof that the fans had an outcry, that said Horii would have still gone with the ARPG gameplay regardless because he's the type of person not to give a fuck about other people and do what he wants.
>>338082738
he was better in the movie
>>338082738
Smash Cloud a best
>>338083257
>We've seen everything we need to, like I said before they aren't going to discard that work this far into development to make it more a traditional ATB FF game.
Traditional ATB hasn't existed since IX, dude. Why the fuck they would they literally regress back to that barebones system?
>They have never stated that they're going to "expand" on it, they outright said that it's not going to be the same.
Which you interpret as reboot, which it clearly isn't.
>In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning
The fucking beginning is the very same as it was; it's not a reboot.
>They said it's not going to be entirely an action RPG, we've seen that it's predominantly an action RPG.
Again your headcanon is showing.
>Learn to read.
Man up to your mistakes, the only thing you put in the quote was request for ARPG claim, which I provided.
>Yes yes, Combat, story, world design, characterization all play into it and it's already been confirmed that they've changed in various interviews.
You're a fucking idiot.
Since you prbably missed it the first time, here is the definition again:
>In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning
DmC is a reboot. Ratchet and Clank 2016 is a degree of sorts, the new Mirror's Edge is a reboot, Tomb Raider 2013 was a reboot. This is a remake no matter how many baby tears you shed over it.
>>338083185
I wasn't the one that said that the responses are overwhelmingly negative, I'm just looking for that "overwhelming like" that is apparently there somewhere
can you provide proof that the overwhelming majority likes the direction that the remake is taking?
>>338035334
I just wanted FF7 to get an updated translation.
>>338083737
Whatever, this is a fucking waste of time and goes nowhere since you'll keep on insisting how it's not a remake because you don't like it and how it's ARPG because "that's what I have decided based on 5 seconds of evidence and nothing else".
>>338082928
>1 shows no direction either way
>2 shows no direction
>3 is a like
>4 is a question
>5 is a like
>6 is a like
>7 negative?
>8 hopes
>9 like
>10 like
That's half of the people you posted that like what it is.
Two are undiscernable
One is a possible negative
Two don't fall under it.
That's an overwhelming like anon.
>>338083291
more like
>overwhelming naivety
>>338083829
Again, take a look at the likes of the videos.
If they didn't like it, the dislike bar would look worse than the newest CoD video's.
>>338083737
>Traditional ATB hasn't existed since IX, dude.
When people mention ATB they largely aren't referring to the overall system, just the underlying principles they created that are part of most FFs since its inception.
What did I say earlier about applying context?
>>338083941
>wanting it to be good but expecting otherwise is naiive
Come on now. Everybody is waiting for the other shoe to drop.
>>338035864
>wanting to play the exact same game only with better graphics
People like you are the reason we get such awful hd remakes all the time.
>>338084294
Those aren't remakes, they're remasters.
I think you should learn the difference already.
the last good final fantasy was final fantasy 8
this is the funeral song for the franchise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvSYXdlGAuA&index=52&list=PLtfx2ncino2SUM9pKbZ6DlKSygSmna8jU
REST IN PIECES
>>338082928
>They actually think Sqaure is gonna invest millions remaking this game only to restrict it one system
>>338083940
1. half of the people is not "overwhelming", half is half, that's 50/50
2. those comments were made when the FIRST trailer was shown and NO ONE knew what the direction for this game was gonna be
some people after the initial showing of the first trailer even thought the game was gonna be ATB-based, cause it WASN'T ACTUALLY CLEAR FROM THE TRAILER
you can't take comments on this trailer and point to vague enthusiasm "yay final fantasy 7 remake finally" as evidence that people are 100% fine and excited about the direction the game has revealed over the couple of weeks and months AFTER the trailer was shown
if you want some better evidence, run a poll or something
as shitty as polls are, it's better than this
most polls I've seen people were split 50/50
>>338084453
>the last good final fantasy was final fantasy 8
>>338083996
means nothing
you think people go back weeks and months later and dislike the video cause they reveal things like episodic release, censorship, ARPG crap etc.
of course fanboys are gonna like the videos, people who don't want that kind of remake are not gonna bother disliking every FF7R video
>>338084475
>censoring a man's nipples
what has this world come to?
>>338081562
>cloud's going to be some mopey emo fucker
what? I'm playing ff7 right now and he is exactly a mopey emo fucker that constantly cries about MUH SEPHIROT and whimpers like an idiot, take off those nostalgia goggles faggot
>>338084475
>laughing girl.gif
>girl
kek
>>338084453
FF8 was indeed my favorite, but to say it was the last great FF game is an insult to FFIX and FFX
>>338083941
Not him, but /v/ is so convinced of their own shitty meme culture of perpetual disappointment and rage that they wouldn't even know if a game is good or not. It could be the best game since fucking Resident Evil 4 and people here would shit on it because nobody here remembers how to have fun with anything that isn't Souls. I can't remember the last time /v/ actually liked a game that wasn't a Souls game, and even their investment in Souls is kind of a meme at times.
So what you call other people being naive is just them not being faggots. If anything, /v/ is naive for believing so much in devs like Kojima when he's fallen for every bad gameplay convention and still somehow royally fucked up MGSV when he literally PERFECTED the mechanics for Ground Zeroes.
I'm actually pretty stoked for FFVIIR. Just the fact that it's happening. The gameplay looks like it's shaping up to be pretty solid, if unfaithful, and they obviously are invested in knocking the world and character designs out of the park. Fuck, when Jessie and Biggs showed up in the trailer, I nearly lost my mind at how great they looked, and beyond maybe his hair (which isn't really bad, just somewhat different) Cloud looks amazing and I can't wait to start playing as that one manlet army.
>>338082738
he looks like he is wearing a wig lmao, that hair is ps2 tier
So what is the best version of each Final Fantasy? I've never really bothered with the series despite how popular it is. I've only ever played the original remake on the GBA and the Tactics spinoff games
>>338084795
>Lets mosey
>one line of the game
>b-but he's not a mopey loser!!
At least Squall had some inner depth to his character and changes. Cloud is a fucking twit
>>338084859
IX was a complete rehash. 10 was utter shit, ya know?
>>338035334
>Incoming hate about the inital terrorist scene.
>They literally bomb a place.
>"Are they really not gonna cut this out with all the censorship we've seen lately?"
>>338084939
that was exactly my point you stupid retard, he is a loser and not a sarcastic asshole like he claims
>>338035334
If you loved the original, it will not matter how the game turns out. You will buy it. You will play it.
>>338083737
>Traditional ATB hasn't existed since IX, dude.
You do realise that Final Fantasy 4 had a remake in 2007 right?
While it was nearly 10 years ago it is still the most recent game with the system and is and example of what a remake should be.
>Why the fuck they would they literally regress back to that barebones system?
Because that's what the game was and what people expect?
>Which you interpret as reboot, which it clearly isn't.
It's not an interpretation, it's a blatant statement.
>The fucking beginning is the very same as it was; it's not a reboot.
The opening cutscene was the same, that's it. The game and what we've seen of the world has changed drastically along with the words of the developer it seems we have a reboot on our hands.
>Again your headcanon is showing.
"Canon" as a term can not even apply to this situation anon.
In any case it seems like you're denying their statements.
>the only thing you put in the quote was request for ARPG claim, which I provided.
The 'because' plays into the context of the quote you know as well as the following text.
Take your own advice and man up to your mistake.
>to reboot means to discard all continuit
Question, would you consider those revised Superman origin stories in the comics a reboot or retelling?
Also don't listen to wikipedia articles that aren't locked, because reboots aren't that black and white.
There's such a thing as soft and hard reboots, what we're getting falls under the former.
>This is a remake
We already have evidence that it isn't.
At this point you're just as bad as the owl kiddies on /vp/ that still believe in Roothoot.
>>338084918
check /ffg/ on /vg/, you're more likely to get a decent and complete answer
>>338085079
>implying FF7 was even good
FUCK YOU FANBOY FAGGOT
here is the official list
6 > 8 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 12 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 13 > > > > > > >> > > > x-2 > > > > > 5
>>338084939
I respectfully disagree with you on IX and X
>>338085251
>implying 8 is that good.
>>338084918
>>>/vg/142516752
>>338084571
>1. half of the people is not "overwhelming", half is half, that's 50/50
Dude do you even percentages?
You have five people that like it (50%)
Two that don't (20%)
Two that are undiscernable (20%)
And one that doesn't apply. (10%)
You can't just add up the ones that aren't a like or dislike as a like you retard, they're entirely different things on their own.
>2. those comments were made when the FIRST trailer was shown and NO ONE knew what the direction
Then shouldn't you have taken the samples from the one showing actual gameplay if you wanted to make a point?
Even then it's like several million likes to about 1000 or so dislikes.
The numbers don't lie here anon.
>>338085397
The only legitimate complaint against 8 is the leveling system which is not a legitimate complaint at all because it allows for multiple breakthroughs through different styles and extreme challenges.
The story. characters, music, atmosphere, dialogue, and overall game are deserving of that spot behind 6.
>>338084939
>10 was utter shit
Shut your mouth INFIDEL
>>338084879
>Not him, but /v/ is so convinced of their own shitty meme culture of perpetual disappointment and rage that they wouldn't even know if a game is good or not.
Last time /v/ recommended me a good game was E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy. I'm really looking forward to Space Hulk Deathwing, but I guarantee you no matter how much /v/ hypes it, they'll shitpost it to oblivion when it comes out.
I should really stop browsing /v/, you guys are the definiton of good for nothing.
>>338085760
To be fair, can you blame them?
This generation has been the most inconsistent in terms of overall quality and it's not helping that developers aren't actually saying anything concrete about the games anymore so it's easy for people to get skeptical
>>338057981
>first 30 mins
WHERE!?
>>338085397
things like the squall is dead theory automatically propel 8 into a high spot.
