>FFXIII is absolute shit
>FFXV new gameplay is meh
>FF series is on its way down
>P5 release weeks before FFXV
>literally stealing "king of JRPG" crown
Really not saying much.
>>337988072
>literally stealing "king of JRPG" crown. That would've been noteworthy more than a decade ago
>>337988072
tries to steal crown with its 2 million weeb warriors ffxv has 10 million soldiers p5 crashes and burns can see it now
>>337989608
>warriors
>soliders
>>337988072
>Implying FFXV is going to bring the series down.
Have you been living under a rock for the last 2 years?
>>337990280
>4 men party for entire game
>only 1(one) playable character
>not bring the series down
i would have been better if they gave full control for other party member not just for some skill
whose not being autistic and buying both
>>337988072
Stop trying to force fights between fanbases you fucking faggoty LEGOLDENFACEMANECKSDEE poster.
>>337988072
>trying to force a company war for the fuck of it.
Wasn't Xenoblade suppose to be the "JRPG King"? Jesus you shitposters are pathetic.
>>337990851
I'm probably going to skip FFXV for a while. SMTIV: Apocalypse is probably coming out around the same time here.
I'll get XV after I'm done with it, and P5.
>>337991262
>Xenoblade
>king of anything
literally shitty clone of FFXII
>>337988072
>FFXIII is absolute shit
Except it is a decent game. Okay story, mostly good characters, good combat and fun gameplay.
>FFXV new gameplay is meh
I'm worried about the "OPEN WORLD THEREFORE IT'S GOOD" idea, but that doesn't mean you can say it's bad.
>FF series is on its way down
You do realize the only game of the series that went down was FF14? FF12 was forgettable, but FF13 fixed that up. That's why we got a subseries in the first place
>P5 release weeks before FFXV
They did that so that way they could get people to play their game first so it wouldn't be swept away from FF15.
>literally stealing "king of JRPG" crown
How do you know that?
"Are you a prophet?" - Juha Bach, Bleach.
Personafags are the worst. End yourself OP. No one is gonna by that shit game over FFXV
>>337992005
>FF13
>good combat
>ok story
hahaha
ahah
ahahaha
>>337992165
It is though. It's even the main consensus. Why do you think FF13's paradigm shift kept returning back? Why do you think people wanted to see more FF13?
P4G: GOAT Excellet english tier
>Yosuke
>Kanji
>Rise
>Dojima
>Nanako
>Adachi
Good-Tier
>Teddie
>Chie
Bareable Tier
>Yukiko
>Naoto
Not even a single bad performance by the main cast.
Can't say that for the shitty original dub
>mfw jap Kuma and Rise
Acting like not most of America are already fags and want to see the backsides of dudes for a whole game
>>337988072
Except Persona 5 is shit because it's a Persona game like 3 and 4 which are shit games, even worse than FF15.
>>337988072
It's not even the king of Atlus JRPGs.
>>337992337
>Why do you think FF13's paradigm shift kept returning back? Why do you think people wanted to see more FF13?
Toriyama.
So what's your guess for the NA release date?
We're only a few weeks away from the announcement.
I'm gonna say November 14th.
>>337993528
No, it was demand. Look up the development of FF13-2 on the Final Fantasy wikia.
>>337993936
25 dec
>>337988072
>P5fags are this deluded
>after the awful PV04
>after confirmed that party members are generic as fuck animu trais.
L O L
>>337994460
If you think that was awful, you really have some shit taste.
>>337988072
The Final Fantasy series died a long slow painful death with X, and XV doesn't look like it's going to make up for a full decade of disappointment from Square Enix.
I've never cared for weebshit dating sims but so far P5 is the lesser of two evils as far as I'm concerned.
i still dont even have a ps4. hoping to hear more ont he ps4k before either of those games to release to see if i should even worry about getting one in time for their releases
>clearly pabdering to waifufags
>king of jrpgs
Persona is dead. P3 was the last decent persona.
>>337995538
Better than pandering to fujoshi like Faggot Fantasy XV is.
>>337995538
idk man, it has quality waifu but it's not pabdering
the story seem to be pretty fun, Code Geass/Death Note style.
>driving with friend
>accidentally grab his leg instead of gearstick
>we both laugh and I unzip his pants
>park the car while fondling his balls
>start sucking his dick on the side of the road
>almost choke on his dick because I'm laughing so hard
>friend is also laughing his ass off
>he starts making train noises while yelling "BROJOB BROJOB! CHOO CHOO"
>he cums and I swallow it all like some stupid faggot
>kiss my friend and call him a faggot while laughing
Gotta love playing pranks on my friends.
I believe this is still relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEqkBcj5qlA
"King of JRPG" crown carries little meaning now. It's old and busted and lost all its jewels down the back of the couch.
It's been replaced by the "Coronot of so western you'd be forgiven it's not japanese rpg"
>>337996493
I want to fuck Noctis.
>>337991262
Xenoblade is still too obscure to have the crown.
Persona 5 is probably the most hyped I've seen normies for a JRPG in ages.
>>337988072
XV shits all over Persona "literally who?" 5.
>>337999887
Hi XV-kun.
>>337994460
Each PV somehow got worse and worse, though. Even if they were all good.
>>337988072
FF is the greatest example of brand fanaticism. The games have blown ass for so long now but people still suck its dick just because its FF. I'm 100% sure of myself if they changed the title FF15 would sell half as many copies.
>>338000420
Each game gets new fans. That's why FF fans are so divisive.
>>337993948
>Demand
>FF13-2 and 13-3 sold like shit.
So where did this demand come from if the first game scared off more then half the original buyers? Lighting Returns sold like true shit for fuck sakes.
>daughter of the president of a big food service manufacturer
Duck Burger?
>>338000601
Not really. Its new fans are always just normies who see "whoa its FF i heard of this series and never got to touch it this is my chance XD" then they beat the game or drop it and never talk about it.
FF survives off its false nostalgia for normies that wanna feel hip for trying it out. Its a series with braindead combat so that anyone can beat them. Without the name FF it would lose those normies because that feeling is the only reason they look past the Weebullshit in it.
>>337990638
>>337990638
You give menu commands with an ATB bar for the others while action RPG for Noctis; the system is called AXB because it's a cross between the two. And female party member was already confirmed as are others joining them, also FF1 and NES FF3 were male only party.
Also Persona 3 did that yet no one says shit so fuck off.
>>337995610
P5 is pandering to fujoshi hard as fuck.
>>337995074
>weebshit dating sims
The dating is a minor element. It's as much a dating sim as The Witcher.
>>338000661
FF13: 6.2 million copies
FF13-2: 3.1 million copies
LR-FF13: 1.4 million copies
FF10: 6.7 million
FF10-2: 3.4 million
FF10/10-2 HD: 1.6 million
FF7: 9.8 million
FF7 Crisis Core: 2.57 million
FF7 Advent Children: 2.6 million + ticket sales
FF7 Dirge of Cerberus: 1.2 million copies
That is what we refer to as 'consistency' dude.
Plus FF13-2 sold quite well for a subseries game like FF10-2.
>>338000420
The entire draw to FF is that each mainline game is a blank slate unencumbered by the previous entry, one FF being bad has no affect on prior or future titles, if it did then every FF would be as bad as 2 which is the worst one.
>>337988072
> FF series on it's last legs thanks to Squeenix incompetence
> Tales series ruined by Baba and currently on a low point
Persona 5 is the last hope to save JRPGs from years of mediocrity.
>>337996493
this board has changed
>>338000661
Lol LR was a low budget game made on reused assets and made in under a year yet it still sold more than any Persona game did despite being lower budget than P4.
>>338000847
Just stop posting, you don't know anything.
>>337988324
>SMT Nocturne TDE
>ends with Demi-Fiend leading the armies of Chaos against God
>don't get to actually see him punch out God
As a huge Persona fan, OP, I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's a niche series like most anime-styled JRPGs.
Final Fantasy has an incredibly broad demographic because it isn't alienating with Japanese anime tropes. Persona is for weeaboos.
>>337988072
>P5 release weeks before FFXV in Japan
FTFY
>>338001179
FF isn't on its last anything you clueless faggot.
>>338000859
Ff3 remake had a female party member didnt it? Refia or something?
>>338001297
>can't recognize satire
Underage or just new?
>>337996493
10/10
>>338001626
DS remake only which changed a lot about the game and characters, not the original NES version which was 4 orphan boys.
>>338001565
The FFXIII trilogy and the MMO was fucking garbage, that's more than 8+ years without a decent FF game.
>>338000859
>You give menu commands with an ATB bar for the others while action RPG for Noctis
Yeah because mixing action and menu driven combat feels so fucking great every OTHER time Square has tried it.Oh wait, no, it's that other thing
>>338001889
Yes it does because we've seen it in action and it's seamless.
>>338001829
FF13 is decent idiot. FF13-2 and LR are subseries. They are not main number titles.
>>338001979
Have you had your hands on a controller?
No?
Okay.We've seen it in action, it looks exactly as clunky as the description suggests.
>>337988072
Cool. Now make an actual Persona thread instead of a thinly veiled shit on Boyband XV thread,
>>337994460
>>after the awful PV04
What happened.
>>337988072
Sorry anon but no matter how good P5 is FFXV will "save" JRPGs because normies knoiws what a FF is while they think Persona is a Russian song.
>>338000953
>The dating is a minor element
Kek.
Nope you spend more time with the dating elements than fighting.
>>338001661
Yes haha...all just a few jokes...
>>337988072
I will never ever get tired of goldfaces
The difference between the two is Atlus will actually turn a profit from P5. Square has no chance in hell of making a profit off XV.
I kind of agree with OP. Persona looks hype, doesn't over promise and under deliver, which FF15 is 100% guilty of.
I was so excited for Versus and for characters like Stella. Now we have a full male only party and none of the atmosphere Versus had.
I know which one I'm buying at launch.
>>338002146
No we've seen it and it's seamless.
>>338002959
There's been an all male party since Versus. I'd just like to know why that's a slight against any game, though.
While Versus/XV doesn't have more than one gender, I think it's diverse in the sense that no other JRPG has a party like that. I've seen a party like P5's in dozens of other JRPGs, and frankly, it's a bit stale.
>>338002768
Yes they do, P5 also has been in full development for 6 years when it started back in 2010, while XV started full development in 2012, every mainline FF profited and so will XV.
>>338002768
The difference between the two is XV will be a good game.
>>338002959
Oh fuck off, it was male party with road trip since Versus as stated during the versus days, Stella was changed to Luna and the darker tonal atmosphere and political aspects is stronger now more than ever.
Meanwhile P5 looks like complete trash that is so devoid of any real content or depth that it hides behind flashy menus.
>People still trying to start faux-fanbase wars between franchises not even trying to compete with each other.
The last good console jrpg I played was Last Odyssey desu
>>338003193
So if you fuck pussy all the time will you take cock for "variety" sake?
Then fuck off and be gay somewhere else.
>>338003572
SE considers P5 competition.
>>338003575
Dude, we're talking about a video game.
>>337992480
The only excellent ones are Kanji, Dojima and Adachi. The rest are bearable.
>>338003575
No you fuck a woman analy or get her to give you a blow job, fucking retard kill yourself.
>>337994460
PV04 is still better than any FFXV trailer though, so that must say something.
>>338003748
Wanting only men parties means you like cock.
Its related.
>>338003775
SO if you have sex all the time with a women will you have sex with a man?
What a faggot.
>>338003193
Oh, I didn't mean to come off like that.
Its just that SE bothered to program all these features like camping, eating meals together, eating food in city side restaurants and buying food in gas stations. All for a full dude party.
Persona in P3/4 at least lets you choose who to bring with you you know.
In FF15 it seems moments you could have with a female party member are spent with effeminate dudes. Not that that's a bad thing but there are Four dudes.
Its good for the fujoshi market I guess.
Imagine doing camping or going shopping in FF15 with a female party member included. Different banter and experience? Less questioning your own sexuality because you might end up being attracted to dudes instead because intimate moments like in camping, (not bro moments) in FF15 are "with" dudes.
>>338003885
Purely subjective. The TGS 2014 trailer and the Uncovered trailers have gotten a lot of attention, so they must be doing something right.
Heck, look at the likes:dislikes ratio if you want a better metric.
I don't know about you guys but I can't wait to play this game with my wife's son.
>>338003702
No they don't.
>b-but the survey
Which first, was a completely random survey asking a bunch of random things such as do your parents play video games or if you play video games while on the toilet, secondly P5 is the only other JRPG in Japan coming out in the same window as XV which is why they asked if people are interested in it, third that was specifically about Japan market and nothing else.
If anything SE feel sorry for P5 having to go up against FFXV, SE didn't intentionally want to destroy P5 but Fatlus putting the date so close in Japan pretty much sealed the deal.
>>338004082
can't wait for the doujinshis
>>338003885
No it isn't, PV4 was shit with nothing worth anything, fucking beach episode shit and nothing to care about, just flashy autism bait. Uncovered FFXV Japan trailer alone shits all over any P5 trailer, so does Niflheim trailer, JF15 trailer and E313 trailer.
>>337992165
>Persona
>good anything
hahaha
ahah
ahahaha
As shit as FF13 was, atleast the AI was competent unlike the garbage that is Persona 3
>>337988072
I will admit I'm not looking forward to FFXV, but I've decided I'm not going to shitpost about it. The game will sell millions and end up a terrible disappointment like XIII.
That said, I don't like how the two games are getting pitted against one another. Regardless of quality FFXV is obviously going to be the bigger game, and I'm fine with that.
>>338004197
>Random
Nope they included P5 for a reason.
Asking wether they will buy your or their game means they avcknowledge P5 as competition.
P5 has as much hype in the west as in Japan.
>>338004432
>he wasn't expecting Persona 5 to be generic anime shit
That's your own stupid fault really.
>>338004437
> atleast the AI was competent unlike the garbage that is Persona 3
I think you need to stop living under a rock.
>>338004437
A silent protagonist in that game is more memorable than any XIII characters.
Thats how shit XIII was.
>>337988072
no persona game has ever gotten a million sales before, how is it going to beat FF?
>>337988072
Can't we just not be autistic and look forward to both, or if you really don't like the look of one, ignore it since it obviously doesn't apply to you?
I don't see the point in arguing over 2 very different games. You get nothing out of it and chances are, you can play both anyway considering the platforms they're releasing on.
>>337993936
November is a sage bet. Sept it competes with SMT final. October is FF15
>>338003885
Nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7nyrNBFXA
this trailer alone is better than PV04.
PV04 was waifu crap + style and nothing more
They had a beach part for fuk sake.
If something PV04 gave more hype for FFXV than P5 , because the former looks like P4.5
>>338004635
>I cry like a baby over some poorly written power of friendship emo fag self sacrifice so it's a good game and not awful at all
Again, as shit as 13 was, Persona 3 is worse. Even FF13's hallways were better than Tartarus, because atleast 13 had pretty backgrounds/scenery that changes.
>>338003918
And yet XV has females in the party, girls who travel with them in the car, the game starts with Noctis going to marry his widehipped girlfriend Luna, Gladio and Prompto hit on women constantly along the way and both hit on Cidney multiple times, Aranea wraps her legs around Noctis and thrusts him into her tits while calling him a pretty boy and she's lusting after his dick. They are all adults old enough to drink and with actual manly men in the party.
Meanwhile P5 is all has 4 fuccboi faggots in the party all in highschool with twink bodies and face while the girls are all Lightning tier plank ass twigs that no one cares about.
>>338004860
>PV04 was waifu crap + style and nothing more
And FF15 is yaoi crap - style
Maybe you should develop taste and not play either.
>>338003974
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
One of the whole things in FFXV is about inserting a female character into the equation with the bro theme already established. Tabata has talked about this. We see an all-black dressed female character in the group.
And Persona and Final Fantasy games are very different. In P5, you are going to be a blank slate protagonist with choices. FFXV is different. You play as an already established character in Noctis, and you see his growth. You role play as him throughout the game.
His mother has been dead at a young age, he's only had three real friends his whole life, and most of his days in the kingdom as a kid is sitting around waiting for his dad to come home so he's not alone. The only meaningful relationship he has is with Luna, and even then they have a political marriage. He's a character who's had a heavy male presence before the story even begins. I'd imagine his growth includes confronting Luna about their weird political/romantic relationship.
>>338000859
>Also Persona 3 did that yet no one says shit so fuck off.
I think it's shit. Persona 4 ain't much better.
At least Golden was okay-ish.
>>338004860
Huh. Nobody told me the next Bamham game would have giant robots in it.
>>338004860
My main problem with FF is that you never know if the gameplay is going to be good. Some FF games had really fun gameplay, others left much to be desired. At least with Atlus I know that whatever I'm buying, its going to have solid gameplay that will continue to be enjoyable 50+ hours in.
>>338004752
I wanted a proper FF not that trash so im gonna shitpost about it.
>>338004879
>A silent protagonist has more personality than Lightning.
Thats how shit XIII was.
>>338004949
So? Yosuke flirts with girls all the time but he is a faggot.
Same with the XV fuccbois.
>>338005098
>what is Magitek
>>338004561
Holy fuck you are delusional, no one besides weebs and people who spend their time on video game websites even know what persona is.
>>338005269
>A silent protagonist has more personality than Lightning.
Not only is that false it's hilarious how you don't even try to discuss gameplay.
Face facts Persona fanboy. Your beloved series is garbage even worse than FF13.
>>338004635
Lightning is more infamous and recognizable than anything from Persona dude. I don't even like FF13 but seriously m8 what are you doing?
>>338005374
P3 has been praised for its gameplay while FFXIII has been panned for its gameplay.
Sorry fuccboi but your opinion is in the minority.
>>338005439
Lightning is known to destroy the series while P3 protag is know for being likeable unlike lightning.
>>338005439
He said memorable. Lightning is infamous and recognizable because Toriyama kept shoving her in your face and you couldn't escape her even if you never played her games.
>>338005009
He's getting desperate boys.
>>338005563
>P3 has been praised for its gameplay
>>338004635
Lightning has become one of the main "heroes" from the FF series, taking center stage in spin offs like Dissidia, having bonus quest lines in FF14 featuring her as a cameo and more.
She's one of the most well known characters from the last generation of gaming. Nobody gives a fuck about Persona kid.
>>338005563
>P3 has been praised for its gameplay
>mfw
what's with purse owner fans and their insecurities?
we seriously have someone saying P3 MC is more popular than lightning
>>338005563
>P3 protag is know for being likeable
I still hate the cunt and still feel like he was a huge downgrade from past SMT/SMT-spinoff protags.
Fucking blue haired emo skeleton. Fuck that.
>>338005098
Looks and plays nothing like bamam, fuck off back to your DVD menus.
>>338005563
>P3 protag is know for being an emo looking fuckwit
fixed
>>338005269
No yosuke is just a faggot, nice denial.
>>338005709
>persona fan ever said that
You must be stupid to believe those are real fans. Even p3 diehard fans know Yu is exponentially much more popular than P3MC
>>338005269
FF13 alone has sold more than the entire Persona franchise, simple facts of numbers prove more people know who Lightning is than anything from Persona. Let alone a single character in a single Persona game.
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>>338005439
>>338005563
>>338005589
destroy the franchise or not
she is a real model for Louis Vuitton for fuck sake.
She is more recognizable than any Persona character.
>>338005563
Who is the persona kid?
>>338006103
No one said otherwise. Memorable and recognizable are different things.
If she wasn't a Final Fantasy character no one would have ever heard of her and no one would have played her game. If she wasn't forced by Square Enix she would not be well known.
>>338006103
Persona fanboys delusion is out of control ever since they thought they could play with the big boys.
>>338006207
>no one would have ever heard of her and no one would have played her game.
Just like any Persona character.
>>338005678
It has.
To the least people enjoy it enough to praise the game while XIII was aplauded for being the prettiest piece of turd out there.
>>338005691
The P3 is more well known despite only appearing in 2 games while Lightning needed to be spammed to get "over".
>>338005749
>>338005804
People like him enough to want him back.
>>338005843
Just like Noctis fuccbois.
>>338005709
He is, given the low exposure he got compared to Lightning who had to be hamfisted into stuff like Dissidia and XIV by his waifufag fanboy creator.
>>338006023
So? People bought it because they thought it was gonna be good like X but found out it was shit.
FFXIII killed the FF legacy effortlessly.
I was talking about likeability and personality.
>>338006103
>Going this far to push a character.
Damm no wonder SE went to shit.
>>337996493
Wouldn't fondling someone's balls hurt them? They're very sensitive after all.
>>338006207
You're dismissing her character design. Tetsuya Nomura and his iconic look is the reason why she's still relevant today.
Is Vaan still popular? No. Lightning is just well designed.
>>338006271
Nah. Persona has a sizeable fanbase.
If FFXIII wasn't called Final Fantasy XIII, if it had been published by another company under another name, it would be one of those JRPGs that sells a few hundred thousand copies and is forgotten in a month. No one would remember any of its characters. When I say no one I am barely exaggerating. There would be no fanbase period. Just a handful who played it and didn't like it.
>>338006390
>>338006301
Holy shit Persona kiddies are seriously mentally ill.
>>338006463
I'm not arguing in favour of Persona or against FFXIII. Just pointing out that FFXIII is a steaming turd and far worse than even the worst Persona game.
>>338006463
>Cant face the truth.
Kek you are retarded cuckboy.
>>338005009
>Anything with more than one male is yaoi
why are anons so socially inept?
It's like no one on here has ever had a group of close friends.
Do you all get your social interactions from this site?
>>338006207
See>>338006023
From FF13 alone 7 million people at least know and recognize her. Not counting re-release or ports or sequels or anything. Just from 13 alone 7 million people know who she is and recognize her.
The entire Persona series has sold 6 million meaning P3 sold less than 1/4 of that, meaning less than 2 million people know who the MC of a 20 year old franchise with multiple re-releases, ports and anime movies is.
>b-but if she wasn't ff then
Then you have no argument.
>>338006542
> FFXIII is a steaming turd and far worse than even the worst Persona game.
It isn't and you haven't pointed that out at all. FF13 is shit, and it's still not as bad as putrid garbage like Persona 3.
This thread is disgusting. Get over yourselves, you bunch of elitist fanboying faggots. Seriously, all of you. P5 looks good. FFXV looks good. Everything is good. Please, let's just stop for today, this is insane.
>>338006610
The issue with FFXV's cast is not that they are all male. I understand perfectly why the main cast is male and I think it was a good decision considering what the writers are going for.
The problem is that they're a bunch of all black wearing leatherclad fashion model faggots who look like they just walked out of a gaybar.
>>338006301
No you autist you talked about recognition, stop backpedaling.
Just to jump in here, but P3 and P4 are definitely better games that FFXIII. Yes I know XIII sold millions of copies, I was one of those millions duped by the Final Fantasy label printed on the cover. SE really hasn't given me any indication that they've changed their ways, so I'm not exactly excited about XV. I hope I'm wrong about XV, but I don't think I'm going to be.
>>338006390
And if Persona wasn't stealing theonly good part about it from SMT Noone would know what persona is.
I said memprable here >>338004635
YOU changed it into recognition because you know P3 MC is more loved than Lightning.
You are as delucional as Toriyama was.
undertale trash is more recognizable than p3 mc
what a weird hill to die on
>>338006696
Both are weebshit
>>338006610
Persona fanboys are closet homosexuals.
>>338006920
Meant for >>338006761
>>338006860
>P3 and P4 are definitely better games that FFXIII.
Yes because you are a virgin who came in his pants when an anime girl said they loved you.
Let's just ignore how the combat is worse, the music is worse, even Persona's rubbish excuse for dungeons are worse than FF13's hallways.
>>338006731
>The problem is that they're a bunch of all black wearing leatherclad fashion model faggots who look like they just walked out of a gaybar.
yeah I understand,I had that problem with it too and it bothered me for the longest, but I just decided to bite the bullet on it since their interactions and stuff do enough for me to look past that.
Hopefully we get some customization though.
>>338006657
>>338006542
>>338006860
>>338007035
Both of you are wrong
FF13 is a decent game that was rated well by both critics and fans, sold very well, got demand for a subseries and Lightning is the most popular female Final Fantasy characters of the entire franchise in Japan.
Persona 3 and Persona 4 helped build a great foundation for future entries. Something Persona 1 and the Persona 2 games failed to do.
>>338006731
Everyone in P5 is gay, XV cast look like yankii, delinquents and actual men.
>>338006696
>FFXV looks good
You didn't play the Platinum demo, did you?
I had so much more fun with FFXIII than Persona 3. That combat grew and grew and eventually became so addicting. Persona 3 never built on anything; we were just stuck with bad combat, and the aimless plot made me have to force myself to finish the game.
>>338007114
nuh uh ur a gaybo lol
>>338007114
The people who aren't in the main party look like actual men. I'd love to throw the party into a furnace and replace them with the guest members/NPCs.
>>338007096
>was rated well by both critics and fans
>Lightning is the most popular female Final Fantasy characters
Hi Toriyama. I see delucional as ever.
>>338007096
Isn't Persona 1 the best selling Persona game in Japan?
>>338007182
Maybe he actually experimented with the combat even if there's no tutorial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-ANQvMkXg&feature=youtu.be
This looks great to me. And this is only the basic combat! Think of how you started in KH2 and where you ended up. Gonna be so crazy by end game.
>>338007345
He's correct about Lightning being the most popular female FF character in Japan, but you need to understand that the Japanese always love whatever character gets the most attention and is the most forced. They're a hivemind race.
>>337988072
So why was FF XIII brought up in this post? It came out what, 6 years ago now. God I come on to /v/ to see this pathetic thread for persona
>>338007449
purse owner fans feel like they have something to prove. what is it exactly??
>>338007527
guess they do it for the (You)s
>>338006920
So again you do realize memorable is about recognition, memory places recognition as a crucial factor, which Lightning is more memorable and recognizable than anyone from Persona from the simple fact that more people played and bought FF13 than the entire Persona series, by virtue of objective numbers more people remember who Lightning is, can recognize her and have her as a memorable part of FF13 than anything in any Persona, she doesn't have to be a good character to be memorable you retard but the fact is she is more so than any Persona character just from hard numbers of 7 million FF13 alone to 6 million Persona franchise.
>>338007345
The game was rated well
Critic score: 83%
IGN user score: 8.5 by 6700+ users
Gamespot user score: 8.2 by 11000+ users
Metacritics user score: 7.5 by 2200+ users
>>338007425
You are partly right, but remember: Japanese audiences don't just magnetize to whatever character. Look at FF8, FF9 and FF12. None of those characters are even anywhere as well remembered.
In FF10, only Yuna gained that kind of equal traction to Lightning. In FF7 it was Tifa and Aerith. And Lightning has managed to beat out all of them.
>>338007387
>Think of how you started in KH2
Not holding a button to do a combo, that's for sure.
>>338007676
>None of those characters are even anywhere as well remembered.
No characters from those games were presented as the face of the series, floated around in demos for years prior to the release of their game, forced into every game in cameos or large roles, or made into virtual fashion models.
>>338007387
I'm still excited for XV, but the combat just hasn't done it for me yet. The enemies are all easy and require very little strategy and the harder ones are just damage sponges.
>>338007229
Gladio, Ignis, Cor are men, Noctis will rapidly age into an old man and look like Regis at some point once he's king because of the royal bloodline curse
>>338006301
>People like him enough to want him back.
Because Persona 3 fans are clinically retarded. Their taste is so shit not only do they worship this awful awful game, they even claim its shitty story is good while missing the entire fucking point of it.
You people are DUMB.
>>338007757
>Autists still don't know holding in XV is the same thing every smash game does
>>338007916
>while missing the entire fucking point of it.
What do you mean by this?
So ive only played P4G, and about 12 hours of 3 (cant really get into it). I know the basics of what happens at the end, but was it really as sad as some people make it out to be? I just cant see that happening for a character that looks like Minato and does not speak. I knew the ending of FF CC, fuck that was sad as hell, Nier, tears
Is the Persona 3 ending really as good as people say it is?
>>338007757
OK, so you mashed a button instead. YOu can do the same in XV. So what's the big difference?
>>338007813
The game definitely plays better on some enemies. I'm mostly worried about encounters against wildlife. The Magitek Troops were brilliantly designed and I'd put them up with my favourite enemies in any game.
>>338007936
So?
>>338007995
The entire final act is pretty fantastic.
Never understood Nier's reputation as a feel machine. There were a few sad parts but not that much, and all the really depressing stuff is not included in the game itself which prevents it from being depressing.
>>338007790
>No characters from those games were presented as the face of the series
Neither were Tifa, Aerith and Yuna. Remember, the face of FF7 was Cloud. The face of FF10 was Tidus.
>floated around in demos for years prior to the release of their game
What are you talking about? When was Lightning floating around in demos for years?
>forced into every game in cameos or large roles
She was the main character for FF13 (but not the central focus nor goal). She was only in FF13-2 for 15 minutes. In LR, she was front and center.
Dissidia is a game with all the protaganists and antagonists in the same game. Same thing with Theaterythem. ARR's event only lasted for a few days.
>or made into virtual fashion models.
Didn't Louis Vittoun go out of their way to get Lightning in the first place? I recall that the lead fashion designer Nick stated he wanted Lightning. Not the other way around
>>338007995
The end boss of P3 is amazing. But the plot before all that is dumb as all hell.
And no, it's not that amazing.
>>338007995
Emo faggot is granted a deus ex machina device because HE HAS FRIENDS, he uses it to sacrifice his own life to block emo feelings from reaching a death god.
It's stupid
Reminder that all jrpg writing is absolute shit and with gameplay like that what else is there to play them for?
Literally only for autists that can't judge objective quality.
Literally only for people that like rwby.
>>338008052
No one complains about that.
>>338007995
Made me tear up, which is rare. Majoras Mask and Telltale TWD are the only others to do this. The last ~10 hours of the game are brilliant, but still probably not as good as some may claim.
>>338008078
>all the really depressing stuff is not included in the game itself which prevents it from being depressing.
For you, really? I played Nier first, without any Drakengard knowledge, and that it just had to do something with an alternative ending from 1. But post time skip, i was just crying constantly man. I think i just felt so immersed in the game, Papa nier just being a father in that kind of world, wanting things right again as things around you are slowly revealed to be not as they seemed. Then i went to play the drakengards, and everything just stitched together like a good book in my head
FF13 did many things wrong and there's no point pretending it was great, but it wasn't as awful as people make out and not by a long way. There was just a huge bandwagon of condemning it because it wasn't a traditional FF game, which also explains the popularity of the completely mediocre Lost Odyssey.
Compare FF13 to the FF15 demo. FF13 at least had similar gameplay to previous FFs. They took the turn-based/ATB system and tried to make it a bit more dynamic and exciting. That's the right approach to take when trying to bring a long-running JRPG series to a new gen of consoles. The wrong approach is to do what FF15 is clearly going to do which is abandon everything that makes the game what it is gameplay-wise. FF13 was at least an FF game despite all its flaws. FF15 just looks like Kingdom Hearts. FF games should not be ARPGs.
>>338008521
FFXIII was bad enough that it wasn't worth finishing. If that's not the ultimate condemnation, what is?
>>338008580
Hey guess what? most people don't finish games, let alone 50 hour rpgs.
>>338008521
I don't think we're ones to say what's a Final Fantasy and what isn't. They get to decide.
Just judge each game on its own merits. No point bringing other games down just because. That's why I don't get P5 fans.
>>338008580
FFXIII is decent and worth finishing.
>>338008692
Most people need to watch how they spend their money if they aren't even finishing what they play.
>>338008521
XV has ATB menu commands for your other party members while Noctis is action RPG system, its called AXB because it's a cross of the two systems , the entire point of FF is change and FF has been moving towards more real time focused systems ever since ATB was introduced. FF13 was the wrong way to advance the series while XV is the true right way.
>people who grew up with FFXIII are already posting here
>they're defending the gameplay being even LESS interactive than XII's gambit bullshit
>they're defending linear hallways with absolutely no side exploration for well over 30 fucking hours
>they're defending the story and characters being even LESS coherent than those of previous games despite borrowing so much from them to begin with
>they're defending a story that needs to use fucking datalogs just to explain what the fuck is happening
>they're defending Vanille, fucking Vanille
>they're shitting on games like Lost Odyssey which are more Final Fantasy than XIII ever was or will be
God damn it I knew this day would come eventually, but I still can't believe it's actually happening. This board officially has no standards and will gobble up anything that has their favorite brandname on it no matter how much of a crock full of steaming doggy diarrhea it is. These are the people FFXV, FFVIIR and pretty much every other Square Enix game from now on will pander to.
>>338009497
No, people are just saying it's not as bad as Persona.
Learn to read.
>>338009609
Explain this shit >>338008521 then.
>>338008521
They also took away direct control over your party members. They also made it so if the party leader dies it's an instant game over. They took XII's combat and dumbed it down to a ridiculous degree.
Well according to famitsu the P3MC and P4MC are more popular than lighting
>>338011098
What are you even talking about? Lightning literally won best character of 2014 in Playstation Dengeki. It wasn't even in her best game too!
Your argument is faulty.
>>338009497
LO was shit. Being similar to your favourite JRPG from the past isn't enough to make a shit game good, no matter how much you wish it were so.
And don't get upset because the /v/ gospel you're so beholden to is being trashed. Some people just liked the game. Is it that hard to accept?
>>338011098
P3MC is 14th
also i never really understood whats the point of compering the sales of the persona series to ff13? both persona 3 and persona 4 were out when people were moving to PS3. this will be the very first persona game that can sale more than the pervious games for being available for both Ps3 and Ps4 And with the spin off atlus been making movies and anime i wish it gets more love
and when it comes to ffxv i just cant care less about it.yet my friends know what ff is and will play ffxv just beacuse of that
if i asked them to play persona they will refuse.
>>338009497
No fuck off, FF13 was trash and XV looks like one of the best FFs ever.
>>338009823
That guy is speaking against XV illiterate shit stain.
>>338011254
That was in 2013 and look how less populor she is now
>>338011318
>Being similar to your favourite JRPG from the past isn't enough to make a shit game good, no matter how much you wish it were so.
It sure as hell beats being different to the point where you're pretty much giving the middle finger to its old fans.
And I'm sorry but I just cannot take you seriously for implying that LO is worse than a JRPG that is AT LEAST 30 hours of linear hallways with no side exploration, combat designed for dribbling mouthbreathers complete with flashy colors all over the screen, and what is easily the worst, most convoluted, poorly written, poorly told, self-important, sad excuse for a story since the Star Wars prequels.
>>338011509
>No fuck off, FF13 was trash and XV looks like one of the best Kingdom Hearts games ever.
ftfy
>>338011625
You mean how she was made into a Louis Vittoun model because the lead designer Nick loved her character and saw how much her character meant to others?
Oh yes, she sure is 'less popular'.
Hell, even during the Dissidia Arcade usage, She was used 19% of the time compared to Cloud's 20%. That thing also had the face of Dissida WoL and FF6's poster girl Terra.
Literally, she's quite popular
>>338001494
had to leave that for another game. don't you get to permanently destroy him in one of 4 final endings?
maybe it's a lead in for smt5 too. demi fiend, smt4 guys, aleph and such all come together to destroy the final manifestation of yhwh so humanity can finally be freed from his tyrany and return to the great will or go their own ways.
>>338011509
Well we can agree on one thing at least.
>>338011585
DURRRRRRR really? So he never said anything about it being not as bad as Persona? Thanks for proving my point dumbass.
>>338001494
>>338011803
>what is SMT4F DLC
>>338011725
FF13 was flawed, but they did something no other JRPG had done before and it was enjoyable on that level. LO was literally just a low-to-mid tier generic JRPG. If it had offered something else, it might've been good. Some challenge for example, or a combat system that wasn't slow as fuck and broken by a retarded auto-res mechanic. How about a world and characters that weren't completely and utterly dull? The only thing that makes the game stand out in any way is the short stories. And so we're talking about a game that is completely unremarkable in every way except for what are essentially optional pieces of text. Lots of what you say about FF13 is true, but comparing it to LO which is such a nothing of a game is retarded and just sounds like the parrotting of endless internet criticism. If you hold LO up to anything like that level of scrutiny it all of a sudden doesn't seem that good.
Why are people constantly trying to bring down p5 or ff XV?
Just because they both are released in the same month?
That is really stupid you know.
>>338012057
yeah, but dlc. yhwh was killed several times, but it was incomplete or in a supplementary addon story.
he is the final big bad of the series, the insane asshole who went against the great will and imprisoned everyone, even lucifer, if they want smt5 he will need to remain around for one more round of beating.
>>338012324
>FF13 was flawed, but they did something no other JRPG had done before and it was enjoyable on that level.
That still doesn't make it good. I'll take a worn-out but safe formula over something trying to stand out purely for the sake of novelty only to flail about miserably.
>Some challenge for example, or a combat system that wasn't slow as fuck and broken by a retarded auto-res mechanic.
So your solution is a system where you barely have control over your party and have to autobattle to win?
>How about a world and characters that weren't completely and utterly dull? The only thing that makes the game stand out in any way is the short stories.
Or how about a world that wasn't all style zero substance and you could actually INTERACT with?
>The only thing that makes the game stand out in any way is the short stories.
I'd argue even the main story was better than FFXIII, at least it didn't need to rely on datalogs.
>And so we're talking about a game that is completely unremarkable in every way except for what are essentially optional pieces of text.
Again, it takes more than novelty to make a game good, especially in FFXIII's case which is a shining example of doing it wrong. I'm not going to give a game points just because "it's different" if it's going to end up sucking anyway. You want a game that does novelty right? Play TWEWY. It was fun, rewarding, challenging, addictive, and pretty much everything that FFXIII isn't, at least in terms of gameplay.
>Lots of what you say about FF13 is true, but comparing it to LO which is such a nothing of a game is retarded and just sounds like the parrotting of endless internet criticism.
Or maybe it's because of the simple fact that LO was far less flawed than FFXIII.
>If you hold LO up to anything like that level of scrutiny it all of a sudden doesn't seem that good.
If we're comparing it to FFXIII it's still a fucking masterpiece.
>>337988072
Keep dreaming Persona-fag.
>>337988072
P1 was shit.
P2 was shit.
P3 was shit.
P4 was shit.
P5 will be shit.
The same people who made P1-4 are making P5.
FF13 was shit.
FFXV will be good.
FF13 and FFXV dev team are completely different and separate teams.
Also FFXV will enjoy dual audio, actually being released in English this year, eventual PC release. P5 will enjoy not dual audio, not even in English this year.
>>338014379
Your opinion is shit.
>>337992005
>FF-XIII is a decent game. Okay story, mostly good characters, good combat and fun gameplay
>>337992337
>people wanted to see more FF13
>It's even the main consensus
You're mentally ill. No matter how much you desperately try to force this meme
>>338014610
A bloo bloo.
Persona 5 will destroy ff15. The final nail in the final fantasy.
>>338014956
In reality, nobody will notice Persona 5 even existed and FF15 will sell millions because marketing and its Final Fantasy.
Both are shit.
>>338014956
You mean be nailed by FFXV, in every which way. There is no possible outcome where P5 comes out on top. You are literally trying to compare some random weeb shit game that only 6 million people have cared enough to buy for the entire franchise, against a series who has single mainline games sell more than that.
>>338013208
No one's denying the problems with FF13, but there are many positive aspects of the game that get ignored and it's purely because of bandwagoning internet bullshit.
For example, FF13 had some of the best presentation of any JRPG. The environments, monster and boss designs were beautiful. That's kind of important what is, you know, a fantasy game.
It also had a battle system that stayed faithful to the traditional systems whilst adding a bit more action through paradigm shifts. Having to react in real time to events in the battle by changing paradigm is a feature unlike what had come before in the FF series and made combat a bit more action-based whilst still essentially being turn-based. That was an great development FF13 doesn't get much credit for because people instead to prefer to drone on about its problems.
LO on the other hand has literally nothing special about it to make it worth playing. FF13 has lots of problems, but it also has certain aspects which are amazing and make it stand out. It's better to have a game with tangible positives and negatives rather than a game that is flatlining throughout the whole experience like LO.
>>337988072
>there are people
>RIGHT NOW
>that unironically think P5 will outsell FFXV
My sides lads, you can't keep doing this to me
>>338014956
Did you just want some (You)'s?
>>338015094
It's fucking hilarious.
>>337992005
The only reason anyone remembers FF13 is because it was awful. And they somehow made 3 games, something that only the creator (fuck you toriyama) wanted.
FF13 was weak in every department. No likable characters, world was linear, combat was a joke, story wasnt awful but it sure as hell wasnt good, shit music.
Basically what the series had been known for was good music, good worlds and somewhat interesting characters.
13 was a shit game for a fan of the series, but a decent game for the new players.
>>338015303
>shit music
Then you have fucking shit taste.
>>338015081
>For example, FF13 had some of the best presentation of any JRPG. The environments, monster and boss designs were beautiful. That's kind of important what is, you know, a fantasy game.
All flash, no substance. I know Final Fantasy has been on that trend for the last 20 decades but it reached its nadir with FFXIII. Also what makes the monster and boss designs so special that they haven't already been done but the likes of VII, VIII etc.
>It also had a battle system that stayed faithful to the traditional systems whilst adding a bit more action through paradigm shifts.
It tried to awkwardly fuse real time action with traditional ATB, two gameplay elements which do not mesh well together at all.
>Having to react in real time to events in the battle by changing paradigm is a feature unlike what had come before in the FF series and made combat a bit more action-based whilst still essentially being turn-based.
I'm no fan of FF12 but it did it before with the gambit system and much better.
>That was an great development FF13 doesn't get much credit for because people instead to prefer to drone on about its problems.
I'm sure a lot of heavily flawed games have "great development" but we can just let them off the hook if the final product is so ridiculously flawed.
>LO on the other hand has literally nothing special about it to make it worth playing.
Besides it being a JRPG that doesn't suck?
>FF13 has lots of problems, but it also has certain aspects which are amazing and make it stand out.
Unfortunately most of those amazing aspects are tangential to the game itself. Sure the music is fantastic and the graphics are top notched, but it's submarined by an idiotic story and gameplay which is barely worth being called that.
>It's better to have a game with tangible positives and negatives rather than a game that is flatlining throughout the whole experience like LO.
Well it sort of depends on what those positives and negatives represent.
>>337990638
XIII-3 had only one party member and it still had great gameplay.
>>337990638
>Full male party not being a positive
That's one of the main reasons I want the game.
>>338015851
>Besides it being a JRPG that doesn't suck?
Just to clarify that I'm not the person you replied to.
But he's right about LO, it seriously has fuckall to make you want to play it. The only good parts are the short story dream sections, beyond that it's a completely forgettable JRPG.
>>337988072
>implying FF was ever the King of JRPGs
>>338016209
Why'd you post a picture of Gohan?
>>338016209
>it's a DQfags think they're still relevant episode
>>338015851
The combat system was good though. They did manage to mesh action and turn-based together well. These criticisms are just wrong. And LO does suck and most people don't realise this because they didn't play it and never will play it. It's also more of a disappointment than FF13 overall because it shows how little ambition the developers had and how low certain people will set the bar on quality as long as it meets their specific autistic expectations of what a JRPG should be like.
>>338016196
Well that depends on what you're looking for in a game. Do you need a game to stand out just for the sake of standing out regardless of its actual quality? Do you need them to have more money pumped into the advertising than the game itself? If so then no, LO isn't going to do much for you.
>Final fantasy
>Character's clothing are utter trash
>Something that walked off a weird runway from Paris
>Persona
>Character's have good fashion sense
I know FF is set in a fantasy world but that is no excuse. They're not all bad though.
>>338016196
So is FXIII. It doesn't matter how amazing the story or graphics are. I've been 40 hours into that game for half a decade and I will never go any further because the gameplay is a goddamn pathetic joke
>>338016209
Oh great now the DQdrone is here.
>>337988072
just read the game informer shit about ffxv. some things have me concerned:
>magic has friendly fire
>it's not really "open-world per se"
>lack of information about actual rpg elements such as how your character gets stronger or what collectibles you can find
>the car sounds way too important to the story, i just wanted to ride a chocobo forever
i shouldnt have gotten the 300 dollar edition methinks
>>338016621
> If so then no, LO isn't going to do much for you.
But it's a completely mediocre game no matter how you slice it.
>>337988072
>FFXIII is absolute shit
meme
>FFXV new gameplay is meh
true
>FF series is on its way down
meme
>P5 release weeks before FFXV
true
>literally stealing "king of JRPG" crown
unlikely but P5 looks great
>>338016652
FFXV have characters are wearing literal expensive designer clothing by a real world high end clothing designer you fucking retard, meanwhile P5 cast all look like shitty edgy teens in shitty uniforms and shitty "thief" clothes and not a single one is well dressed.
>>338016652
Are you joking? FF is perfection in the fashion department
>>338016826
Be careful when using spells.
It's as "open world" as FF1-9 are.
Your characters get stronger by leveling them up via camping, you get EXP in battles and when you camp you level up, you can effectively do a level 1 run by simply not camping. There is an ability point system, magic synthesis system and some others.
You get access to Chocobos as early as chapter 1.
>>338016652
Is this nigger fucking serious?
>>338017131
Too many stripes.
>>337988072
>ctrl+f bravely
>Phrase not found
Fuck all of you.
>>338016589
>The combat system was good though. They did manage to mesh action and turn-based together well.
How is a JRPG where you cannot take direct control over your fellow party members good? How is a JRPG where if the party leader dies it's an instant game over for everyone even if the others are in good health? How is a JRPG where you have to constantly waste time switching entire classes just to heal yourself when you'd rather just simply pick it from a menu good? It's not. Also despite being real time and in 3D environments and all that shit you can't even move your characters about, which is something FF12 did fine but FF13 couldn't for some reason.
>And LO does suck and most people don't realise this because they didn't play it and never will play it.
So far your only reason for saying so is that it doesn't try being experimental even if it's unnecessary. Not every game needs novelty to not suck.
>It's also more of a disappointment than FF13 overall because it shows how little ambition the developers had and how low certain people will set the bar on quality as long as it meets their specific autistic expectations of what a JRPG should be like.
LO is far from a perfect game but it definitely is nearer the mark of what a JRPG should be than FFXIII. If Square Enix maybe devoted a little of that ambition on the gameplay and level design and less on the purdy graphics maybe it could have been better than LO. But as it is now, it is not. It is the epitome of style over substance more so than the rest of the series combined, and as a game it suffers for that. I prefer my games to have a little more substance to them and between these two I'm definitely siding with LO.
>>338016652
>Persona faget thinking that hipster look is actually good fashion sense
Pottery
>>338017202
>A kings pinstripe suit has too many pinstripes.
No.
>>338016842
That's just your opinion, and it's still better than a completely shit game like FFXIII.
