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>>337954289
Pretty great until CD 2
Unfinished. Like most Square games on the PS1.
>>337954650
>>337955132
these
love the game
but fuck I wish it was finished and that disk 2 wasnt as shitty and fuck that back to back Ramsus/miang fight on disk 2
>>337954289
Personally it's a masterpiece. The best story ever done in a videogame.
Sure, CD2 was rushed and barely had any gameplay, but you should be playing this game for the story anyway, so I don't think it's that big of a deal.
A shame that so many subplots were left unfinished or undeveloped though.
best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqNi5_NPe0
>>337955480
>The best story ever done in a videogame.
Suikoden I and II had a better story. Not only in quality of writing and dialogue, but because the stories were actually finished. And that's only counting PS1 games. There's many other games better than Xenogears outside of the PS1 library.
>masterpiece
Something that falls apart can't be a masterpiece.
it's fun so far kind of hoping the mechs don't take over the rest of the game, haven't touched it in a few months
A incomplete masterpiece
>>337954289
I loved it... up until the second disk.
What I'd pay good money for is for Monolith Soft to revisit Xenogears and work on a remake that has all of the content they had to cut out. But given Monolith's current situation, such an animal would be Wii U/NX-exclusive and that's all the people here would talk about.
>>337956278
Nintendo would gladly sign a deal with SquareEnix to get a remake or sequel to Xenogears. They're desperate for third party games and Monolithsoft has already proven to be a good investment.
The problem is that SquareEnix hates Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo spent years offering to completely cover the cost of marketing, distributing and localizing Dragon Quest games. And SquareEnix refused. The chance of them allowing Nintendo to greenlight a whole new game are even lower.
This is also a company who won't even let a third Chrono game get made. Despite both Square and Enix being a combined company.
>>337954289
VN/100
>>337955661
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslx2n7tEw
>>337957873
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dKpeTEBYIA
>>337954289
it got a collaboration recently:http://figureheads.jp/collaboration/xenogears/
>>337957186
As much as I'd love to see the (up to) 5 other episodes of Xenogears get made there just isn't any way it would work at this time. Square doesn't have the talent or the drive to do it and Monolith also doesn't have the talent or the balls to really go through with something that intense.
>>337954289
Great game, one of my favorites, but it suffers from a bad translation and an unfinished second disk
Story
Xenogears>Xenosaga>Xenoblade Chronicles> Xenoblade X
Gameplay
Xenoblade X>Xenoblade Chronicles>Xenosaga>Xenogears
OST
Xenogears>Xenoblade Chronicles = Xenoblade X > Xenosaga
Mecha design
Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenosaga
>>337958748
>Square doesn't have the talent
LOL
>>337959156
Haven't played Xenosaga but I would agree with most of this. I would disagree with the OST though. While Xenogears has a great one, it has WAY to few tracks and it gets repetitive really fast.
>>337959301
They've all left.
Tried it and hated it. The gameplay was tedious and very unfun and the story took forever to go anywhere.
>>337959156
>Xenogears
>Not ultra god tier mech design
>Not 400 tiers above the rest in terms of OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqOWhstrffw
Mitsuda needs to come back to full size JRPGs and save us, maybe team him up with Go Shiina for some Tales games.
based
I heard the story was great, so I tried it.
It's not.
who is the artist?
>>337959756
They do have talent though. There is still some left.
That some just isn't allowed to work on what they want.
>>337958748
Well, the major talent behind Xenogears wasn't really Monolith SOft. It was Masato Kato as writer and director. And he still works with SquareEnix (he wrote the story for games like Final Fantasy XI and Children of Mana for example). Though honestly, if anyone has a reason to give SquareEnix the finger, it is him. No one, not even Sakaguchi, has been treated worse than he has.
Also, the XenoSaga games were suppose to be episodes I-III of the Xenogears story. But that was done so poorly, I think we should just put the series to rest.
>>337959871
Facia(s) looked better overall.
>>337960159
How was he treated poorly?
>>337960328
>>337960391
Both Chrono Cross and Xenogears were underfunded and rushed to release before they were done. He was then told that there would be no new Chrono games and he was shoved on various Final Fantasy/Mana projects. Aside from Final Fantasy XI, all the other games he worked on suffered the same low budget and rushed production of the previous games. And a game like Children of Mana didn't even need a story. Let alone one written by a guy of his talent.
And for the last decade, he's pretty much been ignored.
Finished Xenosaga Ep I just today. It was not good, there was no aspect to it that would make me want to play it over Xenogears. It wasn't as bad as Xenoblade X, and probably was pretty cool for the time it released, but I didn't like it too much. KOS-MOS and Ziggy were all right characters, everyone else though I could barely stand. It wasn't totally unenjoyable though, some scenes made me laugh and feel for the characters, mainly MOMO. Still going to play the next 2 episodes, from what I've heard Ep III is the best of them all.
>>337960328
>>337960875
Makes sense now why FF11 was such a good game. They could spin that into a single player game and have a wonderful game for all those that didn't get to take part in the MMO.
>>337960036
Kunihiko Tanaka
Yasuyuki Honne
>>337960159
>Masato Kato
it's both Takahashi and his wife who proposed this.
>http://xeno-underground.net/oldwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=wiki:history_of_xeno_part01.htm.pdf
The original concept was a story about "a young soldier of fortune with multiple personalities" that Soraya
wrote that year. Soraya have given at least two accounts of what followed:
"Takahashi proposed the plan to our boss. Though the plan was rejected because it was too sci-fi for RPG, the
boss kindly gave us an advice "Why don't you make it into a new game?". Then I came up with an idea about
a deserted A.I. with feminine personality who becomes an origin of new mankind in the unexplored planet.
Takahashi refined the idea into more deeper and mystic love story."
- Soraya Saga (Fringe FAQ, Mars 05, 2005)
"I and Tetsuya Takahashi originally submitted it as a script idea for Final Fantasy VII. While we were told that
it was too dark and complicated for a fantasy, the boss was kind enough to give Takahashi a chance to
launch a new project. Then Takahashi and I wrote up the full screenplay which contained cutscene-dialogues
in final form, thus the project was born."
- Soraya Saga (Interview with Siliconera, June 11, 2010)
>>337961914
>and Tetsuya Takahashi originally submitted it as a script idea for Final Fantasy VII. While we were told that it was too dark and complicated for a fantasy
>FFVII becomes an overly dark and cyberpunk style SciFi story, which fans love
>>337954289
it was ahead of its time. i wish the japs made more games as ambitious as xenogears was.
>>337962220
i know, it's like senior management brainwashes them. and since they are japs, they have to agree and follow in line, or risk dishonoring the company.
>>337962220
Imagine that setup, Xenogears as FF7 and FF7 as FF8. What a 1-2 punch that would have been.
I wonder if they would have made the other episodes of "FF7" if history went down that path.
>>337962259
>i wish the japs made more games as ambitious as xenogears was.
Shin Megami Tensei
Lufia 2
Terranigma
Dragon Quest V
Suikoden II
In other words. Actually play something besides just a Square RPG.
>>337962728
>Terranigma
My nigga. This game is so underrated and so many people haven't played it just because it wasn't released in the US.
>>337954289
First disk is god tier
Second disk is "we're out of money" tier
>>337962728
all of those games were made in the past. I have played them all, and loved them at the time. the golden age of the JRPG is over. no, i don't want to hear about persona, persona is shit.
>>337956006
Well I will warn you that the majority of disk 2 gameplay is in mechs. Theres only like one boss I can think of thats actually on foot in disk 2. But you can probably blame that on the budget running out.
Especially since there are 2 optional on foot dungeons in disk 2 that give you upgrades to on foot combat.
BUUUUUT they both are only accessible after you've already fought the final required on foot battle in the entire damn game.
At least one of those dungeons also has plot building for one of the best characters
>>337962728
>Dragon Quest V
this one got remade for DS.
>>337955837
>Suikoden I and II had a better story.
Better story telling, shit story.
>>337963147
>all of those games were made in the past.
That's the point? He claimed no one ever made a game as revolutionary or experimental as Xenogears. I posted examples of games that came before Xenogears.
>>337962728
>Terranigma
what happened near the end?
>>337963415
I guess that's up to your opinion. I think it also had a better overall story.
Maybe you're getting confused because Suikoden I and II didn't try to be overly convoluted and philosophical like Xenogears did. But this is also why Suikoden I and II was more polished and complete.
>>337963475
He said he wished they made MORE of them. Correct me if I'm wrong but all of those were made before 1998ish, has there been anything made in the last 18 years that you can put into that category?
>>337962220
FF7 wasn't really as dark as xenogears was. And it had a lot more light moments than xenogears did, even though xenogears had its fair share of light stuff.
Really, lets just compare the two
>FF7:One of your party members is dead and a meteor is zooming towards the planet, and itll wipe out civilization unless stopped
>Xenogears:None of your party members die, but the vast majority of civilization is either dead or mutated into horrible abominations
>FF7:Main character is a loser amnesiac who subconsciously adopted the life of his friend who died
>Xenogears:main character is a split personality of a psychopath who was tortured by his mom for much of his childhood until she died. And hes also the reincarnation of a man who has died tragically multiple times
I would say xenogears was definitely darker
>>337962503
Imagine if Xenogears was FF7 and FF7 was "Mako Chronicles: Legend of the Centra"
>>337959156
>OST
>Xenogears>Xenoblade Chronicles = Xenoblade X
kill yourself
>>337963635You get killed by your lightside half after your girlfriend dies
>>337963887
You can't hide your shame
>>337963742
Kill yourself.
>>337964048
me mistyping doesnt change your shit taste
>http://xeno-underground.net/oldwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=wiki:history_of_xeno_part04.htm.pdf (Xenoblade)
>"Most of the RPGs we've created had their main focus on story and cutscenes, but I think that approach has
reached a dead end," Takahashi said in an interview with Famitsu magazine in early 2010. "This project
[Monado] got its start because we wanted to return to basics -- we just wanted to create a fun adventure.
We're trying to give the player a lot of freedom without having them feel lost."
>This project [Monado] got its start because we wanted to return to basics -- we just wanted to create a fun adventure.
We're trying to give the player a lot of freedom without having them feel lost."
This is what we need.
>>337964218
>your shit taste
Irony
>>337963726
>i wish the japs made more games as ambitious as xenogears was.
He didn't specify games that came after Xenogears. And its far more impacting to point out games that were ambitious before Xenogears came out. Proving that Xenogears wasn't some fluke.
As for games that came after Xenogears, there's been plenty of ambitious games. From Chrono Cross to Ni no Kuni to Dragon Quest X to White Knight Chronicles to Demon's Souls and more. Now, are all those games good? Not really. But they were ambitious.
>>337963680
>overly convoluted and philosophical
Confirmed for never actually playing it or just really dim.
Either way, opinion invalidated.
>>337964232
>"I couldn't figure out why they would care so much about a game like Xenoblade Chronicles when they had so many superior RPGs to choose from in the West."
- Tetsuya Takahashi, Interview with Tetsuya Takahashi (Nintendo Power, 2012)
WEST MASTERACE OF RPG
>>337964378
>unironically believes XB's OST equals X's
i mean even Xenogears's ost was pretty bland
>>337964232
>Square making a game that puts exploration and a sense of adventure over cinematics and story
Not since Legend of Mana on the PS1. Only the Enix side really does this.
>>337964586
>i mean even Xenogears's ost was pretty bland
And you claim others have shit taste.
>>337954289
It's good, but the people who claim it's one of the greatest obviously never completed the game. It's waaaay too convoluted. Too many sub plots. Too much symbolism without context. No one can understand what the fuck just happened in one play through. And fuck fuel management in late boss fights. Some of the dungeons are easy to get lost in. Fucking chuchu. I appreciate the attempt and how grand it felt. There just should have been things cut out. It would have been fine without the past life bullshit
>>337964728
it had a bunch of original/great tracks, but XB's variety surpasses it
>>337964627
Man
Legend of Mana was kind of an anomaly really. I can't think of any game quite like it.
I love it to death, one of my favorite ps1 games of all time, one of my favorite games in general.
But its just such a fucking wierd game.
>tfw Monolith will never come back to Sony
God, fuck Nintendo.
They are less and less ambitious with the story nowadays.
>>337965109
Their best games were with Nintendo.
>>337964469
I hope I am Setsuna isn't terrible.
But I'm worried since we've seen jack shit about the game itself. They are advertising it solely on nostalgia which to me isn't a good sign.
>>337965109
>Monolith will never come back to Sony
Sony never owned them and you're a dumb troll.
>>337964627
>Square making a game that puts exploration and a sense of adventure
What is FFXII?
>>337954289
Good game
>>337965223
>xenoblade or x
>anywhere near as good as xenogears
Kill yourself.
>>337965295
>What is FFXII?
A game with the most boring characters ever made
>>337965362
>>337956278
>Monolith should do a remake
Nah. You don't move forward by going backwards. MS take everything they learn and apply it to their next project, always have done. What I'd like, if anything, is for Takahashi to supervise a remaster with some additional gameplay.
>>337965393
>>337965362
Xenoblade X has the best gameplay.
>>337965614
But it has the worst story.
>>337965524
People completely forgot this one. The origin improved the card gameplay.
>>337965721
The story is great, what you on about lad
>>337965149
>Primarily aimed at a female audience
>>337965524
it has a FFX feel to it and it was a bit hard.
>>337965902
>great
It was shit.
>>337959156
Gameplay
Xenoblade X>Xenoblade Chronicles>Xenogears>Xenosaga
Probably the only change I would make
>>337966019
>*What Takahashi was implying is basically synonymous with "character study" earlier in the chart as he believes women are more interested in the characters personalities and "mental parts." We must also not forget the strong elements of romance in Xenogears and Xenosaga. With 'Blade being more of a shonen story (shonen = boy) there is less focus on characters personalities and their depth. Instead, as Takahashi assessed about the preference of male audience, there is rather a focus on characters external appearance
>>337954289
It's good, although I think it needs a remake, with all the rushed parts being fleshed out.
If it wasn't for the rushed parts, this game would most likely be in my top 10 games of all time.
>>337966243
Sounds about right
>>337966243
>Xenogears
>Good gameplay
It makes games like FFVIII look like masterpieces by comparison.
>>337966243
What about >>337965524
>>337965295
>FFXII
>exploration
Running back and forth between the same zones a dozen times isn't exploration. And FFXII has the most empty cities I've ever seen. Each city has 50+ NPCs. But only three of them have any interaction with your party. And there's nothing to interact with. You can't even fucking check pots, barrels or creates for items, despite the designers spending years making them look good.
So where exactly is the exploration?
>>337966334
"All the rushed parts" is basically just "All of disk 2"
And I dunno if I trust current squeenix to pull it off
>>337966380
No Xeno name and no robots.
>>337966374
Combos are fun and better than any system FF ever shit out.
>>337966616
Combos were fun, but its not like the system was deep or anything. I'll eat my shirt if you can honestly admit you did anything besides your best death blows outside of building the deathblow gauge or grinding to learn new deathblows
>>337966616
They're literally just mashing the same combos over and over and watching overlong animations for basic attacks you use every turn.
>>337965902
>X's story is great
I am 175 hours in and the story is awful
How can you defend the end btw im truly curious
>>337966770
You hold off from combos to build your action gauge and then unleash a linked combo when they're vulnerable.
You use the correct elemental combo to match the weakness of the enemies.
You switch to ground combat to conserve fuel on weak enemies.
It's as deep as any final fantasy.
>>337966440
There was a feeling of adventure to it.
Will monolith soft ever do a good looking game again?
>>337967193
I guess. But if you're lowering your standards of adventure that low, than basically any JRPG has some adventure.
>>337954289
Overzealous, pretentious, garbage.
Music is excellent, everything else sucks.
>>337967352
Will Nintendo?
They really can't do much with Nintendo's current strategy when it comes to hardware. X pushed the Wii to it's absolute limits and needed separate downloads packs to work around it's limitations.
>>337967352
Takahashi said he would focus more on story for his next game
>>337967130
Choosing not to attack so you can charge up a stronger attack is hardly deep
And enemies having elemental weaknesses is common in basically every rpg. Besides, only Elly and Billy even really bother with elements. The elemental deathblows come so late theres almost no chance you will get them unless you really grind for them. In my last playthrough, only Citan and Fei got any and only Citan got all of his.
And if you are playing properly you shouldn't need to get out of your mechs to conserve fuel. As long as you keep your mechs properly upgraded and don't use all your strongest fuel draining shit all the time, you should be able to get through without running out of fuel.
>>337965149
I didn't really see that many religious themes in Xenoblade Chronicles, and with the exception of all the names that were "localized" I didn't see many of them in X until towards the very end
>>337967352
Believe in Nintendo NX. They're working on the new Zelda right now with Nintendo.
>>337967639
So again, deeper than any Final Fantasy where all you do is chose basic attack every turn and win every fight by hammering x.
Glad we agree.
>>337967843
>new Zelda
People still expect something good from Zelda games ?
>>337967874
Id say FF10 was deeper than that.
But Id also say FF10 was the height of combat in the franchise, so I guess thats fine.
>>337967734
>I didn't really see that many religious themes in Xenoblade Chronicles
"you kill the god" at the end and the whole thing with Zanza etc
>>337967960
>FF10 was the height of combat in the franchise
absolutly
turn-based system is most-based system
>>337954289
>game
>>337967843
There's never been a source on that. They just said they'd be interested, during a random interview.
>>337968019
I think you and him might be thinking of different kinds of religious themes.
Xenogears had plenty of parallels to real world religions and themes. Xenoblade was just "You kill God"
>>337968019
I should rephrase that; I didn't see too many things that were tied as deeply into judeo christian themes as the previous xeno games.
>>337968145
The 1st CD was a game and the 2nd was 4/5 VN and 1/5 game
>>337968019
Plus the end boss was literally called Yahweh in Japan. But stupid Richard Honeywood forced them to change it for the western release, claiming you can't reference God in a video game.
Yet he didn't seem to have any problem using the word god to describe all the Dragon's in Chrono Cross. What an idiot.
>>337967960
>Id say FF10 was deeper than that.
It's really not. Especially with the sphere grid. CTB is the best framework they've had for FF but it still wasn't deep.
>>337968340
Well theres a difference between calling something a god and directly naming it after a real world deity.
Its sorta like FFT. Its fine for you to kill Ajora, but if Ajora had been named Jesus, that wouldn't have flown.
>>337954289
didn't like it, and I'm a squaresoft fanboy
>low enemy variety
>high encounter rate
>story is badly paced
>boring dungeons
>slow text speed
>regular combat has potential but feels underdeveloped
>platforming sucks
>unfinished
>chu chu
the OST is great, the story is ambitious and that robot fighting mini game is fun
>>337955837
Just because a story is incomplete doesn't mean it is not as good as a completed story.
>A song of fire and ice is incomplete.
>But Twighlight is a better story cus its actually finished.
Good logic buddy...
>>337968445
I'm talking about the actual combat. Makes you regularly switch around your party members to fulfill different roles in battle.
I mean sure that goes away if you grind enough, but you really have to grind a lot to even reach that level, and by that point the game is broken anyway
If you aren't grinding a lot, you do have to use the system to use most of your party
>>337968569
Thats not really a good comparison because ASoIaF will actually be finished one day (as long as the author doesn't die first)
Xenogears will NEVER be finished.
>>337968709
But in its current unfinished state it is still better than twighlight is it not?
Would you rather eat cookie dough or shit? The cookie dough isn't finished as it needs to be cooked still, but the shit is in its completed state.
What would taste better I wonder?
>>337968526
>that robot fighting mini game
Since most of the enemy robots end up in the battling area why wasn't that the actual robot combat? They had such a good system there and it feels wasted as a mini game.
Would have made the robot fights far more interesting.
>>337968569
Your example is pretty bad since Song of Ice and Fire has the same problem Xenogears and the entire Xeno series has. It had too big of a scope, expecting to make the story span over half a dozen books. In the process, this has made each of the individual books full of padding and incomplete story arcs. In other words, bad planning led to bad books.
Xenogears as a stand alone game is incomplete. And the last half of it would have been bad even if it got 5 more sequels. Suikoden I and II on the other hand are good as stand alone games. While Suikoden as a series will never be complete.
>>337965524
Baten Kaitos 3 never
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B64f48ewdo
It's fantastic, one of the best soundtracks ever, interesting battle system great story.
Other than some budget and pacing issues it's one of the best on the ps1.
I'd probably say this valkyrie profile, Chrono Cross, Vagrant story and let's say FF9 are my favourites.
>>337969165
>But in its current unfinished state it is still better than twighlight is it not?
But in its unfinished state, Xenogears is not better than Suikoden II.
>>337958210
No sex in the poison gas chamber? What a fagget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3trGYO8POgo
Xenogears needs a proper reboot with the same combat system but with a fancier UI. I would fund the ever living hell for that and even quit school.
>>337969252
It was pretty damn shallow. Basically just run around and shoot fireballs until they die
Not that the actual combat was super deep but it was better than the fighting game. It was good as a diversion, but I wouldn't want it to be the main gameplay
>>337968325
>The 1st CD was a game
Not a very good one though. XG was the predecessor to Planescape Torment.
>>337969585
This was more hype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQi7vk9Yzdk
>>337966243
I love the gameplay in saga 3
>>337969585
Pft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3OJFPTbzO8
>>337969917
I thought it was kind of hilarious that even under water she rides on her gear's shoulder.
How does she breath?
>>337969585
>the same combat system
Why? It was shit.
>>337970009
the glasses on her head and she must have something with her gear.
>>337970009
Shevat hyper-technology, probably with nanomachines involved.
>>337970038
This way, you can see ID fuking you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cirQD3cIWa8
>>337970250
>Someone actually made art of it
That amuses me
this will be an unpopular opinion, but the combos would've worked better in an ATB battle system and if they were similar to Sabin's blitzes
>>337970290
You could have the same thing with any combat system.
>>337970038
Saying such heresy about a robust combat system; xenogears was literally the only turn base rpg besides legend of the dragoon that allowed you to feel like your in control of attacking rather than just pressing "attack" or "skill"
But fei and the docs special effects; oh shit nigger they dunk niggers johnny cage style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-_0Yo4ZMQ
>>337954289
Favorite game of all time. Even replayed it last year to see if it still held up. Was very happy when it did.
So, uh... Did they fuck?
>>337970740
I mean it was fun, but it wasn't exactly deep or anything. You just use the same deathblows every turn.
>>337955837
S1's story was nothing special at all. 2 was good for like 2/3rds of the game then dropped the ball even harder than Disc 2.
>>337970964
Yes.
Yes they did.
Fun fact actually.
Elly's gear is named Vierge
In french, Vierge means "Virgin"
After she has sex with Fei, she never uses Vierge again. Next time she gets in a gear, its her omnigear.
Shame you never actually get to use it.
>>337970964
Yes, in fact they did and you can even watch it in game.
>>337970740
except you had to get good at doing additions
>>337971148
You don't get to watch it. You just see them kiss
And then you see Elly naked in bed as Fei leaves
>>337970740
LoD's combat is also terrible. Both systems don't add any depth and only serve to pad out battles in an already lengthy genre.
>>337970740
Fukei is goat, the one with the dark fist too.
>>337971351
Did somebod ysay
MADNESS
HEROOOOOO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhX-zlwOpSA
>>337970717
it won't have the same feel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZODq_x_DRY
>>337970475
There is art of all the most memorable moments.
>>337970964
Obviously.
>>337970964
>>337971148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9m5dCKdtAI
>>337971601
triggered
>>337971601
So this is what they mean by triggered.
>>337971104
A shame indeed, i really liked the design and colors
>>337971601
just crucify my gear up
>>337959156
>Mecha design
Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenosaga
wat
more like
Xenoblade Chronicles X> Xenogears > Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenogears > Xenosaga
>>337972181
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
generic design
>>337972181
You put xenogears twice
>>337972181
Nah, Xenoblade is easily the top.
>>337959871
>the end of Xenosaga 3.
>with Maria and miniSeibzhen
>knew they wouldn't join but I wanted them to join so so so so bad
It still hurts.
>>337972413
>>337966243
>xc and xenogears
>good gameplay
None of those bar X has good gameplay.
I've only played the ones on the wii and wii u. Do you guys recommend the other xeno games and if so do they emulate well?
>>337972413
>>337972496
>>337972668
>muh creativity
>posts generic steampunck robot clocks
>>337972671
>Offline mmo
>Robot fights which boil down to waiting on minute long weapon cooldown timers
>Good gameplay
Nice try, they're all shit.
>>337972830
xenogears emulates fine, play it nigga
>>337972830
I recommend Xenogears. Though it has a pretty heavy Story to gameplay ratio, and the second disk kinda falls of in quality.
But the first disk is pretty god tier.
So I'd recommend it. And it should emulate fine. If you got a ps3 or psp, you can get it off PSN for like 10 bucks
>>337972830
Xenogears emulates well. Xenosaga I've had some issues with but should be playable.
>Xenogears
Worth a try if you enjoy PS1 era jrpgs. It'll leave a bit of a bad taste though on the grand scale of things seeing how the game is great but wasted potential due to being unfinished.
>Xenosaga
Play 1 and 3. 2 is shit in gameplay, plot, and art style change.
>>337972878
Must be hell being unable to appreciate thoughtful mechanical design.
Enjoy your generic Gundam and Transformer knock-offs.
>>337972830
the 2 Baten Kaitos on gamecube are 2 of the best RPG of this console. You can easily emulate it's but not a "xeno" game. It's made by the same team though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVrZoJkaz3k
They should port them.
Xenosaga II is shit.
>>337972830
I would recommend Gears first, it's more palatable.
If you saw potential in XCX's story, play Xenosaga.
Both of these games are dated, and having more more tedious gameplay or long cutscenes.
>>337972830
Xenogears is best when emulated.
That way you can hold down the fastforward button anytime you get to the boring ass combat sections with their insanely high encounter rates.
The monotonous combat isn't a problem at 10x speed.
>yfw Takahashi teams up with Yoko Taro in the next game
Singing robots!
>>337972939
>Robot fights which boil down to waiting on minute long weapon cooldown timers
have you even played x? it's a fact by now that the only reason people even play x is for gameplay. Sing how shitty it's story is, that says a lot about how much weight it holds if people like a jrpg with shitty story.
>>337972939
Xenoblade has the best mecha rpg gameplay.
>>337973573
>a jrpg with shitty story
That's the grand majority of them.
Can you guys really say that the story was shit in X? I mean they reached their objective and found the lifehold core without straying from their goal. The story was consistent until the end. What did you wanted more?
What is the best party and why is it the loli party?
>>337973890
>keeping loli EmereldaYou're ok
>>337973823
yeah in your bubble of 3 jrpgs you played and dropped in 1 hour.
>>337973847
>ending on a cliffhanger for the story
>no sequel
>>337973573
Have you?
Mech combat in X is absolute shit. And the ground combat isn't much better, it's a slight modification of Xenoblade's shitty combat with a new overdrive system which means you don't get cool team attacks which was the only thing Xenoblade's combat had going for it.
What X has going for it is character building and mmo grinding for augments and mech materials which will keep the autistic busy for months as they fight the same shit over to get drops (or tickets with the online) to perfect their build.
>>337954289
liked the concept but the gameplay ranged from mediocre on foot and shit in mechs.
>>337973768
Front Mission 3
>>337974029
JRPGs are my favorite genre.
>>337974206
Wow, that's exactly how I felt about X.
>>337974237
>worst main Front Mission
Stop.
>>337968569
He's not just saying the story is incomplete.
Xenogears had a horrible plot.
>>337974379
>Best
>Worst
Kill yourself and save us for your shit opinions.
>>337973847
I had nothing against the premise and absolutely loved chapter 5. The direction they were going was great. The problem was the follow through.
I would even argue that the premise and implications of chapter 5 were far more interesting than XC, which was literally babies first jrpg.
The problem was what happened after chapter 5:
>goetia no back story or development
>dagaan ryz no back story or development
>luxaar no back story or development
>L no back story or development
>Celica no back story or development
And the millions of unanswered questions. They were interesting questions, far more than XC, but they were unanswered and incomplete, giving people the impession that the story had no depth even though Xeno fans know Takahashi had something bigger in store.
Story time
>>337974536
It's a big step down from the second game, features the worst (and youngest) cast, lowest amount of units per map, a gimmick that's very underutilized, and has a retarded ranking system. The only reason why people like it are nostalgia. It's even worse than the very first game in the franchise and has nothing on shit like 2 and 5.
>>337974237
You're implying that FM3 has a better gameplay than X?
This must be bait.
>>337974993
Why is Emeralda so cute?
>>337973847
X was fucking dull for a Xeno game up until that final chapter.
I mean a good Xenogame shit hits the fan and gets crazy at least 3/4ths of the way through, like mechonis core in Xenoblade or when they get to Solaris in Xenogears. X never had that moment and ends right when it started getting interesting.
Final chapter introduces the religious symbolism, final chapter introduces the fact that there is more going on than just the basic surface level, final chapter links X to Xenoblade, final chapter leaves us with a cliffhanger like who was that guy on the beach with Lao and how are they still alive if the lifehold is broken.
That's not the time to suddenly get interesting after spending 8 hours being boring predictable by the numbers crap.
>>337974993
>is you hair made of nanomachines
kek
>>337954289
Not a particularly good game, honestly. I know people will say "Dude, it's fucking awesome until disc 2 happens!", but I kind of disagree. I think the peak of Xenogears as an actual game was Kislev - even with the boring ass sewer dungeon, you still went through a very fleshed-out, self-contained arc about trying to break out of this cyberpunk ghetto prison - with a cool mech fighting mini-game to boot! But from then on, the gameplay quality just progressively worse as you go. The dungeons get more boring, shops and equipment become more sparse, and gameplay time overall starts to shrink, while cutscenes start getting longer. By the time to hit Solaris, you basically get stuck in this boring tech gauntlet with loads of copy-pasted rooms and forgettable enemies. I guarantee you the only reason anyone would like that part of the game is because of the story revelations that happen during that time.
And then the second disc happens and things really go to shit. Hell, even the plot becomes a lot less compelling since a good chunk of important events happen off-screen and get told to you via slideshow-esque monologues featuring main characters sitting on chairs with that weird Nisan cross pendant swinging in the background. Speaking of main characters - I hate how the plot just utterly shafts Rico, Billy, Maria, and Emeralda and reduces them to these taciturn nobodies who just nonchalantly follow the rest of the party. It's so lame. Anyway, the game then essentially becomes a bunch of long-ass cutscenes with a bunch of pissy-easy, barely consequential boss fights in between. By the time to overworld opens up again, the only things you have to do besides going straight to the main dungeon is playing the mech fighting game for shits and giggles, pulling some random katana out of a fucking dino fossil, and watching more cutscenes at Zeboim before grinding for hours without end to afford Joe's useless, overpriced crap.
God, this game was boring as all fuck.
>>337975207
Chapter 5 was the high point of the game story wise. But you can't deny that the world building that the quests give you are pretty good
>>337973191
Baten Kaitos is a nintendo IP?
>>337975676
>Chapter 5
If chapter 5 wasn't the last chapter you're wrong.
Every story mission up until that point was fucking dull as shit.
Side quests were better than any of the story missions.
>>337975794
All the monolith shit is now.
>>337975794
Monolith Soft was fully owned by Namco when Baten Kaitos released.
Monolith Soft was fully owned by Nintendo by the time Xenoblade Chronicles released.
>>337973847
I thought the story itself was great, and the world building even better, I wasn't a fan of how the main story was poised, however
>>337975971
chapter 5 was the motivation for chapter 12.
Chapters 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and arguably 11, were all fillers with no development in the grand scheme.
If the game was chapter 1, 2, 5 and 12. It would be perfect.
I haven't played a JRPG outside of Tales games and I'm really skeptical when someone claims that some JRPGs have very good stories and writing.
Out of the many Western RPGs that I've played, I can count on a single hand the ones that have good writing and story telling.
I feel like that many of you rating writing don't read books. I'm not even talking about quality of prose since that can easily be lost in translation.
>>337976350
>I haven't played a JRPG outside of Tales games
Maybe if you stopped playing that crap you would enjoy a lot more jrpgs
>>337966838
Sequel bait?
>>337976350
except xenogears is literally compressed works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Jacques Lacan and Carl Jung, /lit/
>>337976350
If I had to pick a JRPG with a plot that's actually really good and not just good relative to video games, I'd go with Mother 3. Also, Tales games are known for being horribly cliched anime bullshit. Granted, it's pretty representative of the MO of most JRPGs, but there are some good exceptions to the rule.
>>337966838
well if you played anything outside XC, like gears and saga, the truth would be blatantly obvious why we are excited.
>>337976307
Wait was that the one with the mim reveal and the man-on introduction?
Alright I can see that, but it's still not the best the final chapter had so much more going on it felt like I was suddenly playing a good game for a change.
The mission in chapter 5 itself was so dull I don't even remember it.
>>337976557
I doubt JRPGs have writing that are much better than WRPGs.
>>337976603
That sounds like what a pretentious writer would do. Those thinkers are some of the most over referenced in modern media.
Let me guess, there's the overused "If you state into the abyss, be careful it doesn't stare back at you" Nietzsche quote as well?
>>337976787
That's arguable. I lean more to 12 as you say, but 5 is very impactful. Not just the reveal, but the first hints when Tatsu was asked what language he was speaking, and he answered Nopon, while speaking in english.
>>337954289
retarded
random stat level ups
not fun
mechs are somehow worse to play in than on foot
slow as fuck
i dropped this shit on cd 1
>>337973439
>grotesquerie queen is piloted by zero
this garbage writes itself
>>337977039
Why don't you go play the game and judge for yourself, instead of shit posting here, maybe then you will understand the difference between pretentious and ambition.
>>337976787
They dropped huge bombs on the last chapter that I genuinely felt that the game was starting.
Nice OP, probably the best looking indie game I've seen in years...
>>337977386
here's your reply
>>337977684
>tfw Margie will never be a party member
>>337974805
>>337974993
>>337975179
Are these done by Azuma Kiyohiko?
![latest[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KNWalcN.jpg "latest[3].jpg")
>you will never get a mech with matching armor plating and fighting style
Xenoblade spoilers for those who haven't gotten to the Sword Valley yet
>>337974379
What? No.
>>337974868
>2
>good
>Literally takes a minute to load the battle animations every time units fight
That shit was unbearable even in 1997
>>337978834
Give a good reason why it's better than any other main game in the series.
>>337979386
Not him but I found 4 the worst personally.
>>337954289BRRRRROOOOOOKKKENN MIIIIIIIIRRRROOORRR
Are they announcing something at the E3? Any hint?
>>337979551A MILLION SHAAADES OF LIGHT
>>337979551
A MILLION SHADES OF LIIIGHT
>>337979052
>>Literally takes a minute to load the battle animations every time units fight
No it wasn't.
Stop talking out of your ass.
