How does this hold up to tactical mainstays like Final Fantasy Tactics?
>>337921061
It has better titties
It's fucking retarded that you're graded on how many turns it takes to complete a mission, and not things like units lost, units defeated, etc.
Aside from that, it's pretty fun if you're okay with anime WWII
>>337921240
>It's fucking retarded that you're graded on how many turns it takes to complete a mission
You're pretty muched forced to min-max all the time because of this. Don't focus of killing enemies, just focus on sending your scout on a commando mission across the whole map so they can just rush in and capture the flag.
>>337921438
>>337921438
Yeah, if you want to fully upgrade your units in one play through, you have to do this for every mission. I found it way more fun to say fuck it and replay a few levels using sound tactics and strategy than to scout rush literally every map though.
>>337921630
Use sound tactics the whole game, and replay a few missions to level up, is what I meant.
So, remastered on PS4 or PC?
>>337921889
Do you prefer mouse or controller, and physically or digital?
>>337921061
>please wait for download to finish, to play episode 3
>estimated time: 220 minutes
>>337921994
no differences beside that?
If you do every skirmish tactically, can you make up what you lose for not scout rushing?
It doesn't.
>>337921061
fine until you learn about scouts
>>337922272
I don't think so. It's probably prettier on PC if you have a high end one, but I'm pretty sure the versions are the same.
>>337921438
> mission is to capture a point
> why aren't I graded better for wasting turns
>>337922272
>>337921994
PC also has gamepad support
>>337922667
???
>>337922773
>plot is to win a war
>flag hopping is somehow a victory
>>337922773
"You sent a single, lightly armed scout against four tanks, three machine gun nests, and 10 enemy troops, but you captured a flag half a second before you died so A+ brilliant plan."
It's just a dumb mechanic. You have to make terrible tactical and strategic choices to score well in a STRATEGY GAME and it makes every unit except the scout redundant.
>>337922882
If wars aren't won via flag hopping explain this picture.
I want a Valkyria Chronicles in non-Vietnam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLV4_xaYynY
>>337923016
>ignoring the millions of dead, thousands of razed cities, town and villages
Sure thing brah, it was all about the flag.
And by your logic the USA did not win WW2.
![WW2_Iwo_Jima_flag_raising[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YfbKpA3.jpg "WW2_Iwo_Jima_flag_raising[1].jpg")
>>337923016
Or this
>>337921889
PC pros:
cheaper
can use mouse(it works well)
144hz
high resolution(easy as fuck to run it at 4k)
shader mods to make it look like the PS4 version(they added emboss pass to textures)
AA if you like blurry FXAA
mods(rebalance mod, panty mod, high poly character swap, mod to remove the border, camo texture mods, mod to remove crosshatch shader)
PS4 pros:
1080p FMVs opposed to PCs 720p
>>337923207
>And by your logic
It was a joke you sperg.
>>337921889
>>337922272
If they haven't patched the 60FPS bugs on PC yet, go for the PS4 version. Otherwise, whichever.
There's no difference in content or visuals.
>>337923341
They fixed it.It's probably on the PS4 version.
And there is a difference in visuals.
>>337921438
How much does the grade matter? Does it give you more Exp when you get an A instead of a B? Haven't played the game in the while, but I do know it has a grading system like most Sega games have for some reason.
>>337923448
Only with mods, or if you have a 4K monitor.
>>337923583
Downsampling doesn't require a new monitor and mods count.
>>337921158
I like how this is the only post itt comparing it to FFT like OP wanted to know.
Anyway OP, it's a fun game, but has one of the most fucked balances in tactical/strategy rpg history. Even FFT isn't as easy to break.
Plus as other Anons mentioned, VC can be broken in ways completely devoid of actual strategy.
So from that standpoint it really doesn't hold up as an srpg. Still fun though.
As much as I liked the game, I feel the battle system could use some minor improvements.
Too bad the rest of the series went full anime with high school soldiers on a handheld system trying to appeal to the Japanese market rather than turning to the Western market, where it did well, and playing up the strengths of the first one.
And fuck Konami, they should have ripped the gameplay from VC off for MGS:V's Outer Ops rather than turning them into pay 2 speed up smart phone game time wasting shit.
>>337921061
>tactical mainstays
>Final Fantasy Tactics
Nigga it was one gamethose sequels never happened
>>337923957
>Even FFT isn't as easy to break
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
>>337923315
Quality post. Good job.
>>337924001
>Western market, where it did well
No it didn't
>>337924001
>Too bad the rest of the series went full anime with high school soldiers on a handheld system trying to appeal to the Japanese market rather than turning to the Western market
It's not like they had a choice. Why would they appeal to westerners on the PSP, a console that they didn't buy?
>>337924216
By not going to the PSP? They went anime and handheld to try and raise Japanese sales, they should have stayed on home consoles and steered away from anime tropes to capitalize on the Western market.
>>337921061
Not well at all. Game has a lot of heart, but the gameplay is so barebones and unbalanced that there is very little strategy involved aside from sending your Scout out to destroy everything and occasionally your Lancer.
>>337924326
>>337924001
It's not so much that it was anime (the first one was pretty fucking anime), it's that it was really, really bad anime
Avan may well be the worst protagonist in video games
>>337924038
A VC scout could steal a flag out from under Orlandeau and Canopus.
>>337923548
Yes, you get more exp to upgrade units, and more money to upgrade equipment.
>>337923548
You get:
1. More EXP, so you can upgrade classes more
2. You get more resources
3. You get more special weapon rewards
>>337921240
>>337921438
It wouldn't be so bad if scouts didn't posses almost 10 times the mobility of the slower units.
>>337925575
It makes me sad Lancers are so fucking useless.
Anyone else here tried the demo for Dual Gear? It's pretty much VC with an Armored Core skin and a bit more customization.
I'm pretty salty that I missed the Kickstarter since it's one of the few projects that I'd actually be willing to support.
>>337925748
It is such a shame since their design is so neat. The medieval cavalry lance as an anti-tank weapon is just such a neat concept. Combined with all the early World War style technology, VC had a great art style.
>>337925748
It's a perfect example of shit game design. They basically have to make certain missions and a select few enemies solely designed for Lancers to kill so that they don't feel so worthless
>>337922565
Please respond
>>337926150
it's just a panzerfaust, why do people like it so much
>>337923548
A rank gives quadrouple base xp and money, B rank triple, C double, etc. It's a very significant xp and money bonus
>>337925748
Especially since Lancers were really the only unique sort of class in the VC world.
Even the damn valkyries had lances.
Lancers were pretty much intended to be the iconic VC class. And then they go and make them shit.
>>337926243
What do you mean by "tactically"?
Scout rushing is the most effective tactic.
>>337926439
I mean, can you make you what you lose by not scout rushing by playing the game normally using cover and shit?
>>337926624
You don't really lose anything.
Why don't you just play the game?
>>337921061
In terms of actual tactical gameplay, not at all since every mission can and should (according to the game's ranking system anyway) be blitzed through with a scout.
In terms of setting and flavor though, it keeps ups pretty well though. The world they created in just the first game was fantastic and left you wanting more.
>>337926269
It's not just a anti-tank bomb on a stick, it's a stylized retro-futuristic anti-cavalry weapon transcending eras, fighting off the iron horses of this war like it did the flesh and fur horses of before.
Forgive the /tv/ meme, but it's poetry.
>>337926150
>>337926180
>>337926395
All they really needed was a bit more health and normal movement speed, and I think they would have been fine too. Maybe more accuracy for the lance itself so you don't have to get so close.
I wonder if they made them shit because if they were good it'd be really easy for the AI to punk out the edelweiss.
>>337926701
I want to know before-hand so that I don't gimp myself mid playthrough.
I came into this thread to whine about how game was ruined by rushing bullshit
I am pleased i am not alone
>>337926624
No, but you can replay missions after playing them tactically and get full exp to make up for it.
>>337926894
Just picked it up, how badly will my playthrough be effected if I don't rush?
>>337926624
In most missions, you will have to do at least SOME 'tactical' play, if only to clear a safe path for your scout.
Snipers are your second-best friend.
>>337927023
What? Chapter replays are new game plus exclusive.
>>337927149
Is it? I could have sworn I redid mission after finishing them.
>>337927054
You won't get a gold star. You can replay missions afterword if you want, but playing the missions the fun way tactically combating enemies and getting a C in the end despite wiping out the enemy force and keeping all your guys alive and well is really the way to play.
A Ranks are meaningless outside of achievement hunting.
>>337926624
>>337922565
"scout rush" doesn't literally mean sprinting past everything to capture the enemy base on turn 1 (usually)
you do use cover, flush enemies out with grenades, etc, it's just that scouts are usually the best unit for those jobs because of their superior mobility
you'll find yourself using snipers to thin the enemy herd, then letting scouts do the bulk of the fighting, sending a lancer in when you need to remove a tank, and leaving your shocktroopers on the bench
the sequels are more balanced when it comes to classes
>>337927054
You'll just be wasting a bunch of time and not get rewarded in the end. Your troops will probably be underleveled too. It's just not fun when you spend a shit ton of time on a mission only to get an awful score and realize you could have done it in five minutes by blitzing everything with a Scout.
>run to where the flag is
>throw a grenade behind the enemies in the base such that it sends them flying out of it
>run in
>grab the flag
It's such a fucking stupid mechanic, but if you don't abuse it what you're left with is an even more shallow war of attrition or savescumming.
>>337921061
it's much more fun to play.
>>337921061
Before they ruined the PC version by removing the 60FPS bug, the game was really challenging if you played with 60 FPS/no upgrades/generic units only
Is there a way to un-patch steam games? I wanna roll back to before they fixed it
>>337928214
>I need to do a bunch of restrictions on my game to make it challenging
Just end yourself
>>337928112
I feel like the grenade thing was intended
They can't have expected us to spend an entire turn whittling them down with bullets
>>337928579
You have to do the same thing with final fantasy tactics, whats your point?
>>337926087
>only needed 30k to make a full multiplat game
Sounds kind of iffy.
Can I play 2 or 3 on PC? Or is it vita only
>>337929347
It was already mostly done (the demo came out before the kickstarter), my guess is they either ran out of money before completing all the planned features, or just wanted to advertise it
>>337929347
Maybe it was just kick starting publisher interest by showing fans were interested.
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/U2ZXh4z.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>Somewhat realistic attempt to re-create WW2 by adding not-so realistic shit but still somewhat logical
>What the fuck is this anime school setting bullshit
>What is edgy?
>Sega decide to scrap VC's engine, assets and material, shit perfectly ready to use to create VC1.5/TotallynotusingYakuza games as exampleand a fanbase ready on West, to create a fucking sequel on a fucking PSP to gather jap fans, with an fucking anime as side, only managed to sell less than the 1st, try it again with VC3 but managed to make even less.
And this is not even one the big bullshit things that it did.
>>337930835
why do people like you continually ignore that the sequels had better gameplay
>>337923315
>1080p FMVs opposed to PCs 720p
Once the PS4 is hacked and we can decrypt it's discs these will probably be modded into the PC version too.
>>337931085
That might be better gameplay but you can't ignore the fact that they wasted an entire new engine done for VC1, a shitalods of assets,model and everything about it, to re-create again, on low poly models and do it for PSP.
As much i liked the more balanced gameplay, the slipping map into smaller maps is still something fucking bullshit and i didn't liked how they splitted Engineer into a two-classes.
>Enginner, knowledge of weapony, can't fucking disarm mines
