You've got to admit /v/
He had a lot of good points about Ocarina being overrated.
who
>>337875504
>Egoraptor
>ever right
Has he made any new cartoons recently or is he still doing that game grumps shit
>>337875504
not really. Have you bin watch his playthrough its sooo fucken bad....
He's so retarded he needs a guide to beat OoT.
>>337875621
CRYPTIC METAPHOR
>>337875504
just because he doesn't knows how to play, it doesn't means he's right.
Also, hes a transexual in denial
He does, but you won't see many people admit it.
Davepretendo's review was better than Egoraptor's.
his whole argument was "this type of game is bad because it's a type of game I'm not good at"
he thinks his problems are objective and that everyone experiences them the way he does, when really he just has some kind of spatial shortcoming in 3D environments. He doesn't seem to have object permanence or realize that things continue to exist when they go off-camera.
very little self awareness to talk openly about this like it's a common problem
>>337875621
>Making something that takes actual effort
>Making something that takes no effort and yields the same or more ammount of money
I wonder which one he is doing
You bring a lot of good points why you should be banned
>>337875504
He also contradicts himself on a lot of his "good points".
>>337875504
>This is Arin's serious attempt at playing Ocarina of Time
https://youtu.be/UApxizE-zVc?t=10m37s
>>337875504
I have never seen an Egoraptor video
>>337875504
Not really, he just has ADD and some weird depth perception handicap. Not to mention his combat arguments were straight up wrong except for the fact that yes, camera feels kind of weird especially after playing later more fleshed out titles.
>>337876482
is this what GG is about? One idiot playing games stupidly while saying retarded stuff? is this really what people spend their time watching?
>>337876952
No, it's aboutROB SCHNEIDER DERP DE DERP DURF DEPR DEE DRPERated PG-13
>TAKE TURNS TAKE TURNS
>YOU HAVE TO TAKE TURNS WITH THE 3D COMBAT
>WAITING
>doesn't use bombs
>doesn't use deku nuts
>not walking in then out to bait attack
fuck him I disagreed with almost every part of it
>>337875840
>millions upon millions of views
>tons of people agreeing with him
'kay
Ecelebs are for underage children.
>>337875504
It's literally the only thing he's ever been right about. If you can't see that LttP is the better game, you belong in a reeducation camp.
>>337875504
>Made one good point
>It was about chest animations
The rest was "I'm impatient and have REALLY bad spatial awareness in a 3D environment".
>>337875504
>Franchise about action puzzles
>Says he likes the puzzles
>in 3d the enemies are puzzles
>Now doesn't likes the puzzles
what gives?
>>337877243
Says the ESL faggot that can't even pretend to type English..
Just watch the video of him playing OoT in preparation for the sequelitus episode. The guy if absolutely terrible at the game and has no idea what to do half the time.
It's a defense used too often, but in this instance it's a valid one.
THERE IS SO MUCH
>>337877293
I think alttp is better, but Arin's points are still terrible and I still think he's a moron.
>making millions of dollars shitting out bad LPs
>not even doing your own editing anymore
>don't bother making basic animations for your AVGN ripoff-series
Fuck this fag.
>>337877423
OOT is fucking baby mode. There's literally no way that someone could be bad at it. It was designed for preteens to complete.
>>337877293
>If you can't see that LttP is the better game
Not only is it not, it's the worst game in the series pre-2003 by a mile. It has one advantage over OoT at best.
I wonder if it's hard for him to claim he likes Dark Souls/Bloosbourne. Sonyggers would fucking lynch him for saying they are anything less than perfect.
>>337877451
What was he wrong about?
>>337877578
>here's literally no way that someone could be bad at it
Except when there is literally evidence of it
>>337877605
Welcome to the reeducation camp.
I dont have to admit shit
absolutely none of his points hold water, and he's seemingly gone out of his way just to prove he's retarded
>>337875504
Is that the video where he starts out strawmanning the rose tinted glasses argument, then proceeds to do the exact same thing for the other side?
>>337877578
You would be surprised how fucking beyond stupid some people can be
>>337877743
Apparently he's been working on it even before Game Grumps were created.
>>337877743
Good argument.
>>337877820
I know. The amount of actual chimps on this board is astounding.
>>337876205
this.
>lets take an OBJECTIVE VIEW on the game
>now here are all the reasons I dont like this game and they are all my personal opinions
The whole video is undermined when you find out the only reason he has a problem with the game is due his own ineptness
Sequelities on that awful Sponge Bob game when?
Just another e-celeb that got a little bit popular and let it go to his head.
This ability to play is about as good as his animation skills. BAD. We've seen his videos, he does some really dumb shit, worse than we seen demo players do when the game is being advertized.
All he's got is, oh look at my wacky humor, and that's it. He compeletly biased aganist 3D zelda while giving the 2d a free run no matter it's problems.
Bottom line is he's just a horrible player and not someone you should ever trust any review from.
"Overrated" is the most meaningless, empty criticism you can make, and exposes you as a wannabe intellectual with the mental maturity of a 17 year old.
>Too many people like this game
literal no fun alowed
>>337878134
Nah I'd say he's a good animator. Whether or not you find his animations funny is one thing. But his actual objective animation skill is good.
You're right about him being really, really terrible at 3D games.
His entire argument follows the biases he had from the beginning. It makes his entire point moot, unfortunately.
>>337878341
who?
I think it's fair to say OoT is "fine." It was revolutionary at the time it was released, but then again so was sliced bread. With both of those things technology has shot miles ahead, so what once was concidered "the best that has ever been" has been understandably surpassed. It doesn't make it a less important or more importantly ENJOYABLE game, but what it does make it is a product of it's time which has since past.
People that that lavish it with praise should probably calm down and remember that 1996 was 20 years ago and they're no longer 10, and people that get overly upset with them for putting it on too high of a pedestal might do well to remember that there was a time before it and it 100% shocked the world and changed gaming dramatically when it was released.
last "real' animation was 3 years ago
>>337878208
>have a show where you play video games
>be absolutely shit at video game
The only reasonable reason for hating OoT I've ever heard a person give is that it's not enough like Zelda 1. Which is fair, because they are extremely different games, and if you want the Zelda 1 experience from OoT you just aren't going to get it. But OoT is a damn good adventure game on its own merits.
>>337877659
Not being able to see the spike traps in rooms that have them. In fact the first room you encounter them in navi warns you of the sound and tells you to check the corners.
All of the waiting, most enemies have ways around blocking(nuts, hammer, din's fire you name it though at a certain point it does become more of the issue of is it even worth pausing the game to equip said item) and even then why is it a bad thing that enemies have ways to defend? He's gone on record praising the souls games in which a lot of enemies shield themselves. So that's completely hypocritical.
And what's with this disconnect he talks about with the z-targeting system? I've never once gotten myself lost inside a singular room just because I decided I needed to pay attention to enemies. This one is completely on a person to person basis and it leads me to believe Arin got lost in the transition to 3D in general.
What else do you need Arin? I could probably muster up more but I haven't watched your video since it came out.
>>337878395
But ALttP was still the better game.
>>337878385
You.
>>337875504
If you want to argue about Ocarina having flaws, go right ahead because it does.
But good god, don't use egoraptor's video as a source of evidence. It was awful and the only thing it highlighted was his inability to adapt to 3D games.
>>337875504
the only good thing he ever did was making game grumps, especially guests.
>>337877809
Yes.
>Look I know you played the game when you were a kid. But can't we take the time to analyze it?
>Oh man that thing in Alttp was so cool when I was like 8 or something
I was completely disgusted by how contradictory and unprofessional his views were.
>>337878395
This
The game is still fucking fantastic and I play through it every now and then, but every 3D Zelda sinceexcept SShas surpassed it in overall quality, I think
>>337876205
I wonder if he actually has some sort of brain problem.
Only people who never played 3D games before are excused for having trouble with them.
>>337877161
Deku Nuts work on that fucking stalfos? because the shield thing sucks desu.
>>337878504
The problem is you're ESL, and you're not making your argument palatable to people who have mastered the language.
>>337877226
I forgot about the spike trap room bit. Doesn't Navi specifically stop the player before they enter that room and tell them there are going to be traps to watch out for? I guess he doesn't fucking read?
>>337878395
Nah, I legitimately feel that OoT's design has yet to be surpassed. The linear yet non-linear progression, the complex and multifaceted dungeons, the well presented story with some real coming of age themes, the way the game hits a perfect balance between old-school "cryptic" design and new-school handholdy design, the rewarding sidequests, etc.
>>337878727
You can crouch stab stalfos through their shield so I usually just do that instead. IDK about using items against them cuz I can kill them quickly with no resources.
Also, there's a glitch where crouch stab does the same damage as the last attack you did. So if you do a jump slash then run up and crouch stab, all the crouch stabs will do the same damage as the jump slash and kill it in 1/2 hits.
>>337878276
Doesn't he outsource his animation? I heard he only does the extremes.
>>337878772
Yes, that's literally what happens. Also in his current gamegrumps playthrough he goes "god damnit navi i know!" and immediately gets hit by one and says "HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO KNOW THAT'S THERE"
But the game really isn't a great as it you remember it was when you were 12. It has aged very badly.
>>337875504
It was a useless video to make for anything besides a circle jerk. It would be like making a Citizen Kane review and talking about how boring and outdated it is, while ignoring its place in film.
>>337878850
That isn't a glitch, that's just how crouchstabs work for some reason
The most OP thing is to use the Megaton Hammer before crouchstabbing
>>337878896
The only way you could argue it "aged" is with the frame rate, which OoT 3D corrected.
>>337878921
No. He pointed out legitimate faults with the game. Defend Hyrule Field. Just try.
>>337878845
I agree with most of this, especially the dungeons. Ever since WW, dungeons have been dumbed down so much. I thought OoT and MM did a great job and bringing the complex dungeons of aLttP to 3D.
The thing is though that people can't appreciate complex dungeons because it gets them frustrated. Great Bay Temple in MM is fucking amazing because it has a central gimmick that affects the whole temple and makes traversing through it so complex but people hate it because it confuses them. A dungeon should feel like a labyrinth. It should test your puzzle knowledge. And when it's complex, solving it makes it feel so much more rewarding.
>>337878896
The overall design is better then most adventure games today. It's pretty solid.
>>337875574
>talks about Super Castlevania being too fucking easy in sequelitis and being a dumbed down sequel
>can't beat in game grumps
Yeah he's a hack, he's just and "older games are better" fag (with the exception of Megaman X)
>>337878395
>It was revolutionary at the time it was released
It was, but that was always the least important and impressive part about it.
>With both of those things technology has shot miles ahead, so what once was considered "the best that has ever been" has been understandably surpassed.
This is largely irrelevant and no it hasn't. It was always miles ahead of everything, not because of technology, but because of design and artistry, at which it exemplified things few other games have even attempted.
>changed gaming dramatically when it was released.
Like I said, the ways in which it influenced other games are vastly overrated. It's the aspects of it which have barely influenced anything outside of its own series that make it truly great.
>>337878728
Okay Arin I know you dropped out of highschool, but you don't have to say others are dumber than you are. Everything there is perfectly legible outside of some admittingly spotty punctuation, but it's a casual image board so it is what it is. Maybe come up with actual counter arguments next time?
>>337879084
What exactly is wrong with Hyrule Field? It's just a way of connecting all the games regions. Sure it's empty but would you rather have had nothing there at all?
>>337879084
It masks loading screens, provides a hub linking all of the areas of the game, and gave a sense of scope within the limits of the N64.
>>337879228
Okay, here's an argument. ALttP is better than OoT in every conceivable way. OoT just gets fellated because of MUH 3D ADVENTURE MEME.
>>337877226
Arin did make one good point.
In most of the 3d zelda games you will rarely if ever be punished for just throwing your shield up and waiting. Almost nothing gets past your Hylian Shield.
>>337879084
Whoa, he pointed out some faults with a game that came out 18 years ago? Simply the pinnacle of video game discussion!
lttp had no z targeting
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>>337879427
they should make a zelda game with a shield that can break
>>337875621
He and most of the other animators who used to make youtube vids have explained why they don't really anymore, and/or have patreons now to make their money.
Jewtube monetizes based on views, period. Meaning that a short 1 minute video that took 20 hours to animate and voice will always get less money than ten 10-minute vidya segments that took 20 hours to shoot and cut.
Don't blame Egoraptor, blame Youtube.
>>337879298
It's pathetically empty. It was a joke.
>>337879342
There's no defending it. They tried to make it seem 'deep' with the secret holes and whatnot, but it's clear that the world was soulless.
>>337879409
>Guys I used a buzz words to describe OoT, I WIN!
>>337879409
That isn't an argument, it's an assertion. Back it up with actual points to support your position.
In what specific ways is ALttP better?
>>337877293
I honestly liked Zelda 1 more to be honest. (Note that this is coming from someone with no nostalgic connection to either game.)
>>337879409
>dungeons
>music
>storytelling
Literally all better in OoT. And before you argue against dungeons, I want you to go back to ALttP and realize how many of them were palette swaps of each other.
>>337879568
>anon defends it
>There's no defending it.
>>337879542
I know anon, but it's unlikely that that mechanic is going to carry on
>>337879568
>I defend it
>"There's no defending it"
>refutes nothing I said.
Are you actually this dense?
>>337879652
This is a fair opinion.
so are we allowed to compare super metroid and prime? or are they too fucking different?
>>337879672
>I want you to go back to ALttP and realize how many of them were palette swaps of each other.
This, good god. I can't even remember what half the dungeons in the game were like.
>>337879727
Are you mentally challenged? When I assert there is 'no defending it' it's because the concept at hand is indefensible. it doesn't matter if your chimp mind tries to defend it.
>>337879829
LOCK ON RUINED METROID
W A I T I N G
>>337879906
Then you should easily be able to refute every point I said, if I do indeed have a "Chimp mind" as you say.
I'll wait with baited breath.
>>337879898
You're a chimp.
>>337877293
>liking LttP
now that's a meme that never gets tired
>>337879906
Well it clearly is defensible, since he has defended it.
>>337875504
>good points
He had no arguments at all
His whole schtick was "Durr, I'm blind and can't play 3D games! SO THEREFORE IT'S SHIT!"
>>337875504
This is so fucking stupid.
Ocarina is a great game thats definitely aged. It's still pretty playable, but if you go into it right now without ever having played it, you can tell its pretty dated.
>>337879713They should literally just make it like Dark Souls and tie shielding to stamina.
mario world vs. mario 64
>>337880006
ALttP gave you freedom. It gave you options. The world was alive.
OoT on the other hand had a completely soulless overworld. It just served as a fucking diversion.
>>337879906
>he defends it
>you don't retaliate with anything more than your grade school insults
This is basically why I can't take people who like fucking ALttP seriously.
>>337880109
Mario World is more refined, 64 was more "fresh" and influential..
>>337880109
I like how pretty much everyone agrees both Mario World and Mario 64 are spectacular platformers (especially for their time) and they barely get compared at all.
>>337879906
Technically, it is defensible because he defended it and you didn't refute any of his points.
Just saying "indefensible" isn't a refutation, anon. Surely you've at least watched a debate or argument that didn't involve a woman.
>>337880153
I agree, ALttP has a good overworld. Now refute my three main points as to why the OoT overworld is serviceable.
>>337879568
>Hurr, all areas in the game should be cramped, twisted corridors like muh 2D games instead of having variety with varyingly dense and sparse areas
>>337880221
soo lttp vs. oot? same thing?
>>337880153
>ALttP gave you freedom. It gave you options.
As did OoT.
>The world was alive.
OoT's world felt more alive than ALttP's due to the inclusion of the day/night system, changing weather, NPCs, etc.
>>337880153
>Le Hyrule Field is the entirely of OoT's overworld maymay
>>337880312
I don't know which anon you are, so I can't specifically refute you. I will tell you that Hyrule Field is depressingly empty, and it's clear to this day. The best you can uncover is a shitty hole in the ground that gives you a Skulltulla.
>>337880370
Not really. Both ALttP and OoT use the same ass-tight formula, so it honestly boils down to personal preference between 2D and 3D Zelda.
I noticed that he did not once mention Majora's Mask.
Probably because MM fixed everything that was slightly off with OoT and became the perfect 3D Zelda game that even he couldn't possibly find anything to bitch about.
>>337880226
That's because Mario fans are people who actually like Mario games, and despite the 2D/3D split, their platforming elements mean the same kinds of people enjoy both.
For Zelda, it's a fractured and divided fanbase, with stunted manchildren decrying the 3D games as ruining Zelda, and retarded normies who have likely never beaten a 2D Zelda and don't like them because they're hard.
Those two groups are the most vocal, drowning out the rational Zelda fans who can appreciate 2D and 3D separately.
>>337880475
This is my post, the one you have yet to actually refute despite saying i'm retarded.
>>337879342
>>337876216
>yields the same
ahahaaaaa nah senpai
not even close.
>>337877537
>AVGN ripoff-series
It's nothing like that channel, what are you talking about?
>>337880517
That's because MM fans are fucking nuts; they'll fling shit at anyone who suggest that the game has flaws.
>>337880592
Yes, it's serviceable. It's not good, though. It is thoroughly empty, and not fun to explore. It's just a blank slate with a few hidden holes in the ground.
>>337880517
>friend claims to have beaten MM
>asks me my favorite zelda game
>say MM
>he says MM is overrated, says all zelda games are good for different reasons
>ask him what he doesn't like about MM
>he's evasive
>MM 3D comes out
>he buys it
>he plays it
>he talks about it nonstop
>he says its his favorite zelda game.
>>337880698
MM fans are few and far between compared to the sheer amount of zombie followers OoT has. I can't even count how often OoT has been called one of if not THE greatest game of all time. Nobody even talks about MM outside of internet forums.
>>337880528
only sane person here
>>337880905
>zombie followers OoT has
Of course its an MM fan.
>>337879561
>people create content for YouTube because they enjoy it
>one day, YouTube decides to start actually paying them for it
>more people begin creating content because they're not doing it >for free anymore
>people realize they can make more money by quitting their irl job and out-Jewing YouTube
>this is somehow YouTube's fault
MM sucks
>>337881213
>>337880905
>>337880813
>>337880698
>>337880517
Why was MM such a failure?
>>337880806
It's purpose beyond just being a central hub was to instill a sense of adventure. Being a wide open area where you can see far off in every direction around you works for that. The music too. It actually conveys this feeling very effectively, especially considering the first time you see it is after leaving Kokiri Forest.
I do think it needed a lot more enemies though, especially in the adult world. It's ridiculous that Hyrule Field is actually more dangerous during the childhood period.
>>337881447
It's just an expansion man, calm down
>>337881636
>It's just an expansion
I don't think you understand what that word means
>>337881749
like loopy landscapes or majora's mask
>>337881534
>It's purpose beyond just being a central hub was to instill a sense of adventure.
But it failed to do that. That is where we are not agreeing.
>>337881961
did you not find the horse?
>>337882134
The horse is not enough to make the world seem alive. Hyrule Field is empty as fuck. There is no getting around this.
>>337881534
>>337880806
You guys are fucking idiots.
Hyrule Field is literally only there because they wanted you to be able to ride a horse. That's it. It's a place for you to ride Epona
>>337882272
did you try carrots?
>>337882345
Meaning spanking the horse to go faster? I have to assume you're a retard if you think that made the world more 'alive'.
>>337882489
did you try fishing?
>>337882293
That doesn't make it good, you dipshit.
How to spot a faggot nu-male.
He calls egoraptor, "arin".
>>337882578
Yes. It was boring as shit.
>>337882653
did you kill ganon
>>337875504
>lol fanboys just hate Egoraptor for telling le truth in his epic Sequelitis video, he totally knew what he was talking about!
We're still on this meme huh?
>>337880665
yeah, LPs bring in way more money for the effort put in compared to sequelitis or the awesome series
>>337882586
yeah but when you look at it that way then its clear why it is the way it is. It explains a lot.
Stop trying to drum it up as something it isnt. Or pretend it sucks. It does what its supposed to do. "World building" or whatever is a nice little side bonus compared to that.
>>337882714
is jon and jon still friends?
>>337882713
Yes.
>>337882293
I figured they put it in because it was the first 3D Zelda and they wanted to "wow" people with a big environment you could ride through so everyone can just be amazed at the size of it.
It feels like a really outdated thing, something that would have been cool back then but has been completely and utterly outdone that now we can all just see it for the empty and boring field it is.
>>337882780
No. You're everything that is wrong with modern game design. If you have an overworld, you make it lively and worth exploring. Like in ALttP. Somewhere along the path, people forgot what made games good.
>>337876205
He's mentioned this exact thing before in his ocarina play through either right before or after the ice cavern. He basically said he's shit at 3d orientation.
Okay now lets see him get good at Megaman games then I'll start to care for his opinion.
>>337882921
>I understand why a game was designed a certain way
>I'm whats wrong with modern game design
like 20 years is even modern anyway.
The developers thought it would be cool to have you be able to ride a horse in a big open environment. It hadnt been done before.
They're right. it was cool. People still remember it to this day. It's not "timeless" and its aged, but it did its job really fucking well.
You're ridiculous for getting angry about it.
>Ego makes a video about how MMX is great because it doesnt have tutorials so you need to figure out the controls for yourself
>Every time he plays a game he doesn't pay any attention to the tutorials and gets lost as fuck
>MMX is a game with only like 2 movement based buttons in the first place
I can't beleve I keep giving GG a chance. It's nothing more than bg noise to laugh at Arin and his fuckups and the occasional story from Dan. Literally every game I like that he's played he has either hated or didn't even try, which for a show about 2 guys fucking around while playing video games, there sure is so much detail lacking in the videogame department!
>>337883221
I'm not angry. You're deflecting.
I'm asserting that ALttP perfected the formula, and you're going into hysterics to prove the opposite.
>>337875504
>People like it so I hate it
>a good point
>>337883239
You also forgot to add that he sucks colossal dick at it too.
>>337875504
who is fucking overrating ocarina of time?
I've never seen anybody on /v/ praising it you shithead
>>337883239
Why does it look feminine?
>Ever taking a perpetually shitty rage-quitter seriously.
>>337883239
He seems to be of the opinion that every game should be able to be played without any reading, so he skips all text and if he gets lost it's the game's fault for not being easier to grasp.
Or maybe he's illiterate.
>>337883397
>/v/ is the only forum that speaks about games
Kill yourself.
>>337883397
Isn't it considered /v/'s voted #1 game of all time?
>>337883447
maybe you're just attracted to it and assume something about it has to be feminine for it to give you a boner.
>>337883447
That's not important.
>>337883517
He probably likes MMX so much because it makes him feel smart for figuring out the controls.
Even though at the beginning of the game only like 3 of the buttons even do anything at all, not counting the D-Pad.
>>337883529
No. Go back to your hugbox. You are not welcome here.
>>337877434
GOD
>>337883397
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best
>>337883517
>Miyamoto panders exclusively to Egoraptor
>Egoraptor still sucks at his games
>>337875504
lel if this guy had any sense he wouldn't have played OOT on his let's play channel.
just proves he hates it because he's a bumblefuck idiot and terrible at video games.
>>337883565
>for figuring out the
and still managing to be shit at it.
>>337883526
then if it is overrated by asshats why do you care?
>>337883597
>>337883239
That's why he's a raging 2D fag, he wants to think he can just play the game from the get-go without any instructions and thinks tutorials are just hand holding but when shit gets more complex than a platformer, he starts throwing a tantrum about not knowing what to do
>>337883902
He essentially made an entire video about how all games should be hold right and press A to jump.
>>337883902
Gaming is dying, and you're the problem.
>>337884017
Are you serious? I need to watch that shit.
>>337884136
That isn't a real thing. You are a fucking chimp if you buy into this shit.
>>337884261
mega man sequelitis
>>337875674
he blew through the first 3 dungeons in like 15 episodes
>>337884136
No, I meant his video where he praised MMX to heaven for not holding your hand.
But the thing is MMX is a very simple game and he gets angry and confused when he plays anything more complex, even with tutorials. So its like, if you don't want videogames to hold your hand, why can't you fucking figure anything out on your own?
>>337876205
how can you be bad a waiting?
>>337884551
He gets upset with MMX in general. He's garbage at it in the first place.
When he played wind waker (fuck even Shadow the edgehog) all i could see was him being shit at simple objectives because he couldnt pay attention, and even when he did he still couldnt do basic shit.
All he had to do was jump down to a door in the wind temple and it took him 30 fucking minutes to do this even with a walkthrough.
I dont know how anyone can be so shit at basics like this
>>337884373
>comparing 2 megaman games
>complimenting the sequel for expanding on the formula of the first game
>in anon's mind = ALL GAEMS SHOULD MOVE RIGHT AND PRESS A
>>337884835
I can't understand tripfags. Not only are they notoriously wrong and stupid, they don't understand that 4chan has no need for this shit.
>>337884549
then gets to adult link and sucks dick
Refuses to use his shield, then says the game forces him to wait every 5 seconds.
Dies to the clams in Water Temple because he doesnt know how to counter them. But then its the games fault.
Still hasnt figured out that sword jumping is the strongest attack despite playing the game multiple times
hes bad
>>337885208
>Not only are they notoriously wrong and stupid
Was I wrong to put Battlefront 3 out for everyone?
Am I wrong to put out Mighty Number 9 if they miss the release date?
Am I wrong when arin openly complains about the PSP MMX reboot and the capsule placement being different it "bad design"? Because he's complained about this before.
He;s just shit at games and any opinion he has should be disregarded until he can play any game in a competent manner.
Bloordborne and Darksouls dont apply. Shit's fucking pathetic
>>337885386
he did say that after the y link bits he forgot a lot of parts
>>337885386
>Dies to the clams in Water Temple because he doesnt know how to counter them. But then its the games fault.
I don't know how often you leave your house, but the Water Temple is legitimately a major stopping point for average gamers. It is needlessly complicated.
>>337885461
I don't even know what you're talking about, you crazy faggot. You take the internet so seriously that you're actually forgoing anonymity on 4chan.
>>337885461
Yes
>>337885590
He was using a walkthrough.
But before that he called out all the people that thought the water temple was hard.
Died to shadow link a bunch because he couldnt figure out that swinging his sword was bad
>>337885590
>Water Temple is legitimately a major stopping point for average gamers
Because there's always that one room they always miss, not because of the clams.
>It is needlessly complicated.
Ah fuck off, the only thing poorly designed about the water temple is having to go into your menu every time you want to change boots.
>>337885736
Well guess I'm wrong
>>337885590
He was using a walkthrough the entire temple.
>>337876482
How can you be that bad
>>337885804
>Ah fuck off, the only thing poorly designed about the water temple is having to go into your menu every time you want to change boots.
That's literally one of the most unacceptable things in gaming. The 3DS version is undeniably a better experience because of this.
>>337885590
Casuals can't figure out how to GET THROUGH the Water Temple, which he used a guide to do (can't blame him, he's got a show to put on). Arin, however, could barely even fight the enemies. He died to a clam because he couldn't hit it with his hookshot at the right time and did not once in 10+ times of being attacked try to block the clam coming at him, often times taking 2+ seconds to reach him from where it was sitting. That's how he died.
>>337879713
We don't know that yet
For all we know Zelda U might bring it back
>>337885847
Again, I question how often you speak to average people. I can name two normies that completely gave up at the Water Temple.
>>337879138
>with the exception of Megaman X
>he died to Spark Mandrill while using Shotgun Ice
>>337875504
He was right, but he took a very biased approach to his arguments. That's the nature of the show so what he argues will always be easily shit on.
Puzzles in Ocarina not being puzzles at all really bugged me so hearing him say it felt great.
>>337885590He's not supposed to be an average gamer, that is why the sequelitis videos originally had weight to them before it turned out he sucked dick at all games and doesn't understand what the design behind the games he praised is
>>337885948
I don't watch e-celebs. Kill yourself.
>>337886137
whats the "e" stand for in e-celebs?
>>337886598
I think it's "electronics", like e-sports.
>>337886598
Electronic. You stupid piece of shit.
>>337886598
Enternet, duh.
>>337886746
>>337886703
but all celebs are e-celebs then
>>337879561
It's based on minutes watched now. So a million people watching a two minute animation that took months to make will make less money than 10 minute videos posted daily that only get 100k or so views
>>337886918
No, you're a retard. E-celebs is an exclusive term that refers to YouTube and other such sites.
I wonder if they notice how every episode they put out with ayylmao in it has significantly less viewsi just want to see danny and ross play more sierra games
>>337887007
but you watch other celebs with electrical devices or listen to them correct? what makes a computer more electrical than a tv?
>>337887204
Do you not understand how language works? It's just the way it was termed.
>>337887305
so im just suppose to accept it because its the popular thing to do? just be a sheep to language?
>>337887305
also you avoided my question
>>337887442
You're either a troll or a complete retard. It's not an individual choice where language is concerned. The masses make it what it is.
>>337887583
about 50/50
trolling, but its an actual question i had
Hes right about the hand holding.
After your first zelda game the adventure dissipates and you see the formula. You just go from point A to B. for no reason besides the game telling you to.
Play zelda 1 to see the difference. You just go when you're playing that game, it's a lot more freeing and you actually feel like your exploring on an adventure.
>>337888892
DELETE THIS!
>>337889114
hello?
>>337889198
it was a joke, your post was a well thoughtout counter argument, but alot of people in this thread would be triggered by something like this because OoT was their favorite Zelda.
>>337889335
wait now I'm confused.
I thought we were running the gag, did I miss the memo?
>>337888892
Don't deny that ALttP didn't capture some of the original magic. It truly was a magical game.
>>337889426
what?
>>337887204
It started with email being used to differentiate electronic mail from physical mail and people just came to associate the e prefix with the internet
It's not rocket surgery.
>>337889451
truely, but I still felt the smidge of the game guiding me and the story didn't feel like it naturally happened due to my actions.
I can't really think of a game to emulate this feeling well. Dragons dogma almost did it, I felt like I was exploring the land at my own pace setting up my own provisions before every journey and making sure to get there before dark.
It just felt so natural, testing herbs, talking to people, hearing the banter from pawns. I hope kids will get to experience that kind of adventure.
>>337889815
I feel you. But you can't deny that OoT and beyond was literally holding your hand the entire way.
>>337889958
that's why I made this >>337888892
post
anonymity has it's flaws
>>337889451
>Don't deny that ALttP didn't capture some of the original magic. It truly was a magical game.
It isn't. It tells you where to go and is more handholdy than OoTby a longshot.No other game marked shit directly on your map for years.
>>337888892
I mean that's absolutely true, it's ridiculous how people defend the Zelda formula being done exactly the same over and over and there needs to be more experimentation like ALBW
But Jesus fuck, you know the industry's gone to shit when the biggest "upgrade" faggots demand is turning Zelda into Skyrim
He once said he would do mass effect.
Eta of next sequelitis? 2020?
>>337890810
>biggest "upgrade" faggots demand is turning Zelda into Skyrim
If skyrim was good and had interesting stuff to explore it'd be fucking amazing.
>>337889335
>would be triggered by something like this because OoT was their favorite Zelda
No we aren't. OoT is by far my favorite, but making it more like LoZ would easily be a big improvement and there's no reason we would be loath to admit this.
>>337890748
OoT literally funnels you to the places you need to go, LttP makes you find the ways yourself, it doesn't matter that it's on the map when you have no fucking idea how to get there.
>>337890748
You're a retard. ALttP is infinitely more freeform compared to OoT.
>>337887006
Plus you're popularity and proportion of money earned is affected by the rate of views earned.
100k people watching a new half hour video every day will push you higher in search results and net more money than if you get 700k people watching a half hour video you pump out once a week.
This all pushes things towards let's plays because it's the best way to game YouTube's system.
>>337890810
I don't want Zelda to turn into Skyrim or Dark Souls or whatever the flavor of the month RPG is big at the moment, but there are plenty of lessons Zelda could learn from them, mostly because Zelda has just become so tired and traditional that it seems stuck in the past compared to most modern games.
Dark Souls and Skyrim still manage to feel adventurous and have far more stuff in them than any recent Zelda, even if Dark Souls has a wildly inappropriate atmosphere for Zelda and Skyrim basically has nothing but the same one or two bandit hideouts to find.
>>337882653
God you're a boring fuck.
>>337880528
I honestly had no idea the Zelda fanbase was as "split" as people claim online.
It's not like Sonic where the games are so vastly different from each other that you can't possibly please everyone. 2D and 3D Zelda share a lot of fucking aspects, so I don't understand how anyone could possibly hate one and not like the other.
>>337883517
>He seems to be of the opinion that every game should be able to be played without any reading
This isn't necessarily a bad thing though.
I know it's not always possible with every single game, but the more naturally you can teach a player how to do something the better.
I would much rather be put in an environment where I'm encouraged to do something, figure it out, and go "oh shit. that's pretty neat", rather than reading a wall of text about how to do something.
>>337883517
>people don't try things in games and see if other games do it
For me, I always test to see if I don't have to kill the guy that was my friend/lover turned. I think like only two games let me do that, but I test it for every game.
I also test for cancelling.
>>337891869
It's good when it's possible, but not every game is going to be as simple as Mega Man X. Sometimes you have to be given a hint to know what you're supposed to be doing or how to perform a specific maneuver.
What Arin does is take a simple and respectable belief, that tutorials and explanations should to kept at a minimum, to the utmost extreme by believing ALL tutorials and explanations are inherently bad. That's why he's a dummy.
>>337892217
I think the max should be
>press button to do thing
then
>smartly place enemies so the player learns the different ways button does thing
>trick the player into pressing button so they do special thing without even thinking about it and realize OH SHIT I CAN DO THING!
They don't have to do this of course, but it's pretty entertaining.
