>surviving a barrage of bullets or literal meteors during gameplay
>dies from a bullet or stab wound during cutscenes
Why is this allowed?
Are there any games where gameplay mechanics remain even during cutscenes?
So, how's writter killing one of the story character then?
>villain A stab character B
>character A throw item/cast spell to revive character B
>not according to keikaku
*) keikaku means plan
Its a videogame you fucking retard
Welcome to jrpgs dude. Enjoy your stay
>>337676613
>Playing a JRPG
>Kill literally hundreds of enemy soldiers
>Cute scene happens in which you get surrounded
>Drop your weapons!
>"O-okay"
>Get thrown in jail
Nice, epic, I like it.
>>337676721
Maybe not having revival items in the first place? Maybe not having impossible attacks in the first place?
>>337676892
hahaha faggot stop playing games then
>>337676721
Send them "to the death dimension." A realm canon to the game's world where they send characters to a place of no return? Fucking be creative you retard.
>>337677078
>get sent to another dimension
>count as death
what the fuck?
>beat boss
>in the following cutscene you're defeated
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>337677208
>being trapped in isolation with no hope of coming back does not basically count as dying
You sound like a dense motherfucker who needs everything spelled out for them. Pathetic.
>>337676613
She had no materia equipped and isn't a super-soldier like Cloud or Vincent
>>337676613
Fuck this bullshit. Dead Rising 2 and DR2:OTR had a very bad case of this.
Just plain old guns aren't the main focus in the game, so they're all piss weak. Chuck can take 270 handgun bullets in the right conditions.
Yet they pull this shit in a cutscene
Worse still in DR2:OTR when Frank whom is even more battle hardened than Chuck gets dropped by one less bullet than he did in the same bad end.
>>337676613
magic
don't gotta explain shit
>>337680141
Magic also summoned that meteor storm you brushed off.
>>337676613
>fight a boss character
>uses a whole slew of devastating techniques and spells
>said boss character joins your party later
>knows three spells
Try Suikoden 2
>>337676613
MASAMUNE
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Activating the White materia required her to die, that's the reason the plot rolls with the explain it.
>>337680805
>Jumpy fuck that can't stand still and never lets up attacking
>Joins you and is so fucking tired that he just slouches over and constantly takes hits, only doing the most simple of attacks
Fucking arse I'm DYING
>>337680872
This, it's a cursed fucking sword to begin with.
Besides, all the typical blows are brute force impact, maybe dodged a bit. This time, the sword went clean through.
>>337676613
Because, in the game world you're never hit by any of the bullets or literal meteors. Your character is never damage. Your character never dies.
The only meaningful damage is done in cut scenes because that is the only 'cannon' time the character takes damage.
Just because you're an absolute shitter who can't do a 100% no damage taken run doesn't mean that is the 'cannon' for the game.
>>337677208
>He hasn't been sent to the shadow realm
>>337676613
That's one of the things that annoyed me about Borderlands 2.
>Jack shoot Roland
>He doesn't just respawn as I have been doing.
What actually annoys me is that it could have been so easily explained yet Gearbox is incompetent and Burch is a horrible writer.
>>337680872
>>337680995
>>337681253
I don't want to fucking discuss about FF7, it's just the most fitting image I could think of that even remotely relates to the topic.
>>337676613
Permadeath
>Andrew Ryan deactivates the Vita-Chamber in his room so he wouldn't resurrect after his suicide
This is why Zack's death in FFVII was the best. He gets shot and knocked down, but before he can get up, two soldiers lay into him with a barrage of bullets at point blank range until he stops moving.
>>337684732
nigga wiped out the whole army in crisis core until there's only two of them left to execute him
>>337684732
That's more like it, it's a start at least.What would make it perfect is seeing the damage numbers with every shot, with "critical".
>>337681582
DELETE THIS
BUY BORDERLANDS
>>337676871
It makes even less sense when they're "immortal" like in Lost Odyssey.
>>337685565
That honestly made it even dumber.
>>337685807
>That honestly made it even dumber
As tearjerking as it was in CC with him hearing Aeris's voice one last time, I agree it was dumb.
>>337681412
This. In Advent Children, Cloud blew through Bahamut's Megaflare and if Cloud can change a bullet's path by moving his giant sword in a angle, he can dodge the bullit even more easily.
>>337676613
>walk around a normal looking landscape
>be attacked by demigods and shit
how am i supposed to ever get immersed in this bullshit?
>>337676613
Devil May Cry does it pretty well.
Referring to Final Fantasy 7 though, which tends to be the prime example for this kind of shit, it's important to note that a lot of bullet "hits" or sword "attacks" are meant to be seen as just barely grazing the target. Same with magical attacks; the target does its best to get as far out of the way as possible in the small amount of time granted, but he'll still get hit a little regardless. This is where critical hits come into play in that the "dodge" had greatly failed and the accuracy and force behind the attack was more powerful than usual.
Now obviously everyone's just standing still but do you really believe that you'd just sit there while a big ass rock was falling through the sky? You start running for the hills. Granted, part of the explosion might still hit you but you can survive that and keep going.
Finally, no one ever gets killed in FF because as long as one protag is still up, he'll protect the others. Losing HP means falling unconscious or getting knocked out while a phoenix down only wakes you back up.
Pic very related.
My pals and I always joke that cutscene weapons were just more powerful.
Resident Evil in particular has a bad case of cutscene bullets. Bosses take rockets, grenades, shotgun blasts, etc. all day long, yet somehow those dang ol' cutscene handguns can shoot down helicopters and bring down bosses like its no one's business.
>>337676613
there's scripted events in oblivion that are psuedo cutscenes
It's because Sephiroth is a ridiculously higher level, has a sword that does 9,999 damage, and has a materia that adds +1 to the damage.
He kills Aerith by going over the damage limit and causing a stack overflow, which overwrites the memory value that sets Aerith as able to be revived with Phoenix Down.
Sephiroth basically hacks the game just to fuck with Cloud.
>>337690297
That probably sounded a lot more clever in your head but at least you tried
>>337681582
The respawn things aren't cannon. If you really wanted to play borderlands right you would play one life.
>>337677380
>you only get to beat the boss down to half health before this happens
>they steal the thousands of gold you've been hoarding and there's nothing you can do about it
>>337690297
>>337690417
R O A S T E D
>>337690297
to bad thats bullshit ontop of >>337690417 standing true
>>337676613
Tales of legendia
Same situation, someone had a lethal blow during a cut scene but basically wakes up later with no problem though there was a death earlier so its 50/50
>>337676613
Fallout: New Vegas.
You can survive a 9mm bullet to the face point blank in game, and you can survive it in a cutscene as well.
Of course this only prompts FO3 retards to whine it's unrealistic and that nobody could survive a bullet to the head (despite it happening all the time IRL)
>>337692563
>all the timemeant to write "many times", got carried away
as an addendum the fallout world also has more advanced medical technology
>>337676613
>Are there any games where gameplay mechanics remain even during cutscenes?
Dragon Quest
Here's the solution: Stop making story heavy games.
It's frustrating playing through FF7 and Xenoblade and Bravely Default because the gameplay is garbage and doesn't even try to connect to the story, which lasts for hundreds of hours and is just full on cringeworthy.
See, Mario doesn't have this problem. His game isn't story focused. Same with classics like Mega Man, Pac Man, Metroid, etc. The minute you decide to throw a big retarded story into it, you've essentially destroyed your product.
>B-BUT i NEED A NARRATIVE BOO HOO
Then please, go read a book and leave video games.
>>337676721
Phantasy Star 2 had Nei die because Neifirst's death also preventes Nei from reviving (this was butchered in translation)
Final Fantasy 4 had Palom and Porom willingly turn themselves to stone, so they couldnt be revived, and in 5 Galuf was fucking obliterated standing up do Exdeath solo
It's not impossible, but "stab to the chest" is pretty lame
>>337680805
Well perhaps when they are fought as boss they are more powered, then when you defeat them they lose some of that power
>>337693425
There's nothing wrong with story in games. Final Fantasy just sucks at implementing it as story trumps everything else. There's plenty of story based games out there where the story events are incorporated into the gameplay correctly. From other RPGs to Adventure Games to even some platformers.
Aside from this, the stories in Final Fantasy games themselves suck so there isn't even a point in playing the games for the story.
>>337693425
A story in a video is not bad so long as it connects to the game.
Metal Gear Solid (atleast the one I played) is a good example of this. In that game it almost feels as if the story persists the entire game and not just inside of cutscenes. In turn based RPGs its hard because you have no choice but to have your characters take massive amounts of damage every battle sequence. If there were a way to incorporate that into the story, than good.
>>337694242
>There's plenty of story based games out there where the story events are incorporated into the gameplay correctly.
This is only true for games where they know to keep the story on a tight leash so it doesn't constantly clash with the gameplay. Whether it means keeping the story from pulling obvious asspulls (a level 1 moon killing your level 99 party member because the plot demanded it, getting caught by guys yu were mowing down minutes ago, etc).
>>337694486
>Metal Gear is a good example
>8 hours of cutscenes and 5 hours of loading screens
>>337694495
Or where a game incorperates story events into gameplay. Have you ever played a SCUMM game? They're 90% story. But they go out of their way to make the events gameplay focused.
On the flip side, you have shitty games like TellTale 'Adventure' games. Which is literally just clicking all over the screen until you find the one item to set off the next cutscene. They don't even attempt to have gameplay.
>>337694728
I've only played the first one. I don't recall any loading screens. And even still its not like that can be avoided.
>>337679457
>gif
WHAT YEAR IS IT?
>>337694856
Because he probably played Metal Gear Solid 4, which is basically what >>337694728 said.
>>337676613
Chrono Cross, to a point.
There's one scene where a character is stabbed and "killed" in a cutscene, but it occurs after a fight with the PC and, if the PC wins, they're noticeably wounded in the dialogue afterwards.
>>337677404
Eh... pathetic... *unholster dual shotguns*... DIE! DIE! DIE!
>>337696179
Chrono Cross really isn't a good example. Its full of the same stupid stuff as FFVII. Characters can hit an enemy with meteor shower a dozen times in battle. Then a simple stab with a knife changes the destiny of the entire world.
>>337698116
As far as I remember, the only time a character takes a hit in Chrono Cross in a cutscene that you have controlled in battle was the aforementioned "kill" scene and whenKid gets poisoned.I think that's extremely admissible, however, since it's explained as a rare poison, and the injury that prompted the poison (dagger thrown) didn't really do anything to the character.
>>337690297
>He kills Aerith by going over the damage limit and causing a stack overflow, which overwrites the memory value that sets Aerith as able to be revived with Phoenix Down
Software dev here, cringed hard
>>337685807
>>337676871
this was a thing in blue dragon as well.
>>337689567
Fuggin cutscene powers.
>>337681225
I don't know man, he'd just been hunted through the universe, and if you actually sit and watch him for a min he does some cool stuff he doesn't do in his boss fight.
>>337676613
At least in Aeris' case the 0 HP status effect "Death" is really just a KO, and it was already established that a powerful guy with a sword, especially Sephiroth/Jenova, is way stronger than bullets in the prologue when Cloud took out those shinra guards, when he was by no means a super soldier yet. If you want to talk bullshit though, how about that time when Zack got felled by a sniper when his HP should've totalled in the thousands.
>>337693425
THEMING
>>337700947
>load Crisis Core
>Zack is dodging hundreds of bullets, can jump 100 feet into the air off a train, kill soldiers in one hit, etc
>game actually starts
>has 100 HP, takes 5 hits to kill a weak soldier and can't even jump over a fence
Its just cutscene bullshit right from the start.
>>337676892
It's sad when people have no ability to suspend disbelief
>>337677078
>thinks "le epic 4kids darkness dimension that also has big booby girls who only have sex with me" is "being creative"
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>Characters can literally die at any point in battle
>You stocked up on revives for this reason.
>Cutscene where character is killed
>Suddenly revives don't work anymore.
>>337701260
Or perhaps they're just sick of the bullshit that happens all the time? Why would I want a precious party member of mine to die from a fucking gunshot when we just survived a 99 hit world-exploding super attack, or even if one of us didn't survive it I'd use a revival item/spell? Fuck off.
>>337676613
In Final Fantasy 5 the party actually tries to heal Garafu with Raise, Phoenix Down, Elixir and CuragaNothing works ;_;
>>337701443
But they aren't dead in battle - just Knocked Out :^)
Didn't bother me when a weak flower girl got stabbed. But Sephiroth getting manhandled by a goober like Cloud while impaled was bullshit.
>>337701793
>people claim Final Fantasy is darker and more mature than Dragon Quest
>in Final Fantasy, characters get 'KO'd'
>in Dragon Quest, they flat out die, get stuffed in a coffin and need a priest to call to a goddess to return their soul to their body
>>337701626
You don't want it to happen you fucking sperg, that's the point. They don't want you to like Sephiroth. Are you retarded? Do you cry that you don't die irl when you die in game because it's unrealistic to be able to restart?
>>337685759
No Roland dying made no sense. Gearbox pulled some bullshit band-aiding the story by saying "oh the ressurection digistructors aren't canon" fucking bullshit, there are quests with characters acknowledging that you can respawn in both games. Fuck you Gearbox you dumb cunts. Pic related, treated canon game elements and death right.
>>337702470
That wasn't the point, don't you get it? Here's a hypothetical situation:
>"Sephiroth" has a move where he sends thousands of suns to your entire party
>we (barely) survive it, just heal up a bit and just keep fighting
>later on Sephiroth just sneaks up and stabs a party member with a fork
>party member dies forever
Okay, that's bullshit. Here's how IT SHOULD'VE WENT:
>"Sephiroth" has a really powerful move where he shoots a giant laser that attacks the whole party
>we (barely) survived it, heal up and continue fighting
>later on he does a desperation move or something, and does a ramped up super duper version of the laser and lays it all on one party member for 10 text boxes, IN THE FACE
>fucking face is obliterated, I don't think a "Phoenix Down" can fix that
Can you spot the difference? If your game has attacks where enemies sick LITERAL METEORS on you and you're totally fine, MAKE UP A MOVE THAT DIALS IT UP HIGHER SO THAT CHARACTER'S DEATH IS ACTUALLY PLAUSIBLE WITHIN THE GAME'S RULES.
