>haven't played tf2 in a couple years
>build new pc over the weekend, figure 'eh, why not?'
>hit up koth servers
>first one I join is literally the entire red team sitting in one place dancing and bitching at me for actually trying to play the game
>drop server, requeue
>I run into at least ten more exactly like this, over 50% of the servers I joined were this shit, the others were either shitty custom maps or the one or two actually decent lobby
What the fuck happened to this game? Why the hell are people loading this game up to not play it? Is this some retarded meme I missed or something?
Hats
"I don't know how to use the server browser" the post.
>every server gives me a does not respond
why can i even see them if they are all unresponsive?
Did you try matchmaking?
"Friendlies" are an unfunny cancer. Just kill them and enjoy drinking all the delicious tears.
>>337667734
Because faggots love to roleplay, that's why
>>337667848
Not OP but
>Try server browser
>95% of the servers are Orange pieces of shit
>Remaining are 24/7 2fort and Dustbowl
>Actually fun maps are all on Valve servers where most players literally have lastname.firstname as a handle and you get constantly scrambled
Better than what's been up for me
>other team always consists of some pocketed faggot coordinating personally with his medic, usually a kritz solly/demo
>see team/clan tags people playing with eachother or stacking teams
This shit gets annoying in pubs sometimes.
>>337667734
1. Valve are complete cancer. The CS, DotA and TF2 communities are all the same; a bunch of meme spouting faggots who think that children's games and microtransactions are fun.
2. They've started to go insane at the thought of Overwatch ripping TF2's tight little bumhole apart and fornicating inside of it.
3. It isn't 2012z
>tfw all your favorite servers are dead
I'd probably still play it once in a while if the people whom I played TF2 with in the past still played it
This game is only as good as the teams you're playing with
>>337668082
I love destroying tryhard soldiers as a soldier, specially gunboats faggots. I can almost feel their fear when I gib their medics.
>>337667967
The shitty part was every time I joined a server, I was on their team. The other team either ignored them and capped points or just tryharded and slaughtered us all and you can't do shit about it when the rest of your team won't even play.
>use official server
>play the game
Wow so hard to do OP
Anyone here play TF2 like they're NTR? I make it a point to stay in spawn, then wait while I exit my room for some time and sit outside it to leave the characters to cap the point together by themselves. It's rare for me to return the very moment the point is capped, but if I come back too early while they're still capping the point I make sure to whisper an apology and excuse myself again. I've thought about knocking on the door before I enter but I don't want the noise to potentially disturb them. A few times my mom has asked why I sit outside the door of my room and I tell her each time "It's my new meta" (she has no idea what that means).
>>337668649
I used official servers - that's the problem.
>>337668726
Then you are unlucky as shit because Ive never encountered that
>>337668724
Is this some poorly edited pasta?
>>337668052
You can still use the server browser to filter out all servers that aren't valve servers.
>>337669463
yes
>>337668052
>what is server blacklist
>>337671383
It's more about actually finding a server that hosts decent maps, I can just filter out the shitty ones.
>>337667734
Why does Soldier need pic related?
He's already tanky, with a good damage output, wide splash damage, long range equal to Sniper's, very high mobility with rocket jumps, knockback from rockets, and a shotgun hitscan to back himself up against threats that can dodge his projectiles.
He's a class with a tool for every situation. A master of all trades, jack of only a few.
So I ask you this: why is it okay for one of the best classes in the game to have a straight upgrade to stock?
Simply by existing it makes all the fun reskins of stock shovel like Conscientious Objector completely unviable on Soldier.
>>337668775
That's a paid Blizzshill, they have been swarming the board ever since the OW beta started. They will say anything and lie constantly in the vain hope of getting more attention to the game they are promoting right now.
>>337671756
>tanky
>long range equal to Sniper's
bad b8
>join a payload server
>decide to go full sticky demo
>dominate the server, have 4 blues dominated
>single handedly defend in the last possible second several times
>sticky bomb the shit out of fucking everyone
>we win because of me
Felt quite good man
Still pubs tend to have at least 4+ people who are complete newbs, barely do anything and just stand in one place or run into opponents without thinking.
>>337671756
I remember when the equalizer was one weapon.
good GOD was there ever not a reason to use it over stock?
>>337671756
>mfw i remember the time when equalizer was whole and not split in two shitty parts
>mfw rocketjumping to enemy base until your health is low and then running around at sanic speeds raping everything
>>337667734
Just play on the Valve servers.
>>337667734
you are missinghats
>>337672023
t. solider main
>>337672023
Second highest HP in the game. He's tanky.
Rockets can travel an infinite distance. Sure, they have damage falloff, but they still do damage similar to a flare even when fired as far as possible on any map.
>>337672057
No, not really.
There is still no reason to use stock over EP, though. Unless it's Medieval Mode and you aren't good at dodging.
>>337667734
play on the real servers and not on ass cancer servers
>>337672023
200HP (300 overhealed) is nothing to sneeze at
Rockets have no damage falloff.
>>337672164
>Rockets have no damage falloff.
They do.
>>337672164
Never mind they do have falloff, I'm retarded.I have only about 10 hours soldier in my 1500 hours of tf2, sorry ;_;
you forgot to mention how you tried overwatch and how it's the most epic awesome game ever.
>>337671756
>>337671756
>>337671756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CRz5RX3woQ
>>337667967
lmao i remember that one gmod video about a guy bitching about people actually playing the game while he is fucking around as a 'friendly heavy' or some other unfunny shit
>>337667967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlsSecuzE8
Its the same for CS as well now.
Hardly anyone playing vanilla just a bunch of shitty surf severs or gun game
Everyone seems to be afk or play very bot like.
Its a shame but valve just doesnt give a shit anymore.
>>337672259
Funnily enough the split didn't kill the EP, just the Equalizer.
Escape Plan is the most used Soldier melee, although now that Disciplinary Action is unbanned in matchmaking it's catching up since the team speed boost is also valuable.
http://tf2stats.net/weapons/?sort=equipped
>>337672161
this
>>337672443
Why was it banned? the bugged hitbox hitting people behind you?
>>337671383
>Blacklist bad servers
>No servers available anymore
T-thanks
>>337672565
Nah, melee attacks are rarely used by Soldiers so that part isn't too much of an issue.
It's for 2 reasons. 1, because the Disciplinary Action allows you to make Heavies move 40% faster, which means your team can have a Heavy at mid who shoots down anything that tries to move. 6s players to Heavies is like Hightower players to mini-sentries.
2, because the speed boost is so indispensable that both Soldiers are forced to run it at the beginning of the game (similarly to why they ban Darwin's Danger Shield).
What happened to all the arena servers? That used to be my favorite gamemode but now all I can find are these stupid Harold Saxton servers
Never forget the VAC-Lmaobox banwave, guys.
>Over 30000 players banned
>Over 100 UGC (competitive) players banned
>Team Captain Unusual of value of 8000 keys has been frozen because owner used Lmaobox. A key is 2.50 dollars
>Tens of Thousands of dollars worth of inventories have been banned
>Hack developer quit developing the hack due to crash of popularity and source code being revealed
>all of this because a guy stumbled upon the source code of the hack in a random thread and sent it to Valve
>mfw
>>337672926
>sent it to Valve
Not to defend the hackers but why does valvedrones do it for free?
>>337672926
>>Hack developer quit developing the hack
it's updated and vac-proof again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OH8Wh5AN74
>>337672926
unfortunately other hacking methods like lithium still exist, so the hackers are back and taking out their seething assmad rage on the servers, since they're mad about losing all their thousand dollar inventories
but at least they got shat on for that brief period of time
>>337672926
>hacking some casual shit like TF2
For what purpose?
>>337673043
The damage has been done.
>all those unusuals practically made worthless due to the VAC bans
They should have spent their money on something that wasn't stupid cosmetics
>>337673056
>>337673043
FUCKING
Why hack with an account that has valuables anyway?
>>337673413
Because TF2 players are retarded.
>get accused of cheating
>never actually cheat
I will always enjoy pubstomping
Especially if I wear the gibus
>>337672373
I haven't seen this many assbleeding underage faggot in one spot since 2007 4chan
>>337672926
When was this?
Are TBR servers still active? TBR insta respawn 2fort was comfy as hell.
why do people not play community maps that's not cp_orange?
>>337675489
Late april, this year
>>337676517
I've played a handful of these maps. Cashworks was fun. Swiftwater should go fuck itself and die forever. Twinfalls and Glacier are bad. Metropolis is p. cool but some portions are too cramped. I liked Antiquity even if last is kinda ass. Pier is blah. Croissant stalemates incredibly hard in HL, 6s, AND pubs, but I still like it, probably because of sentimentality.
>>337673018
A good bunch of the are fucking retards who gets wet with the idea that Gabe is going to appear behind of them and offers them a job at that hippy clusterfuck of Valve. You can see people translatin Steam for a fuckin icon in their profile even when Valve can make a shit of money by having an expansion of the people buying and using their products while they do nothing but sit on their asses.
https://translation.steampowered.com/
You als have people sending vulnerability probems about their games even when a dude who basically saved the shitty economy of the game got a hat for it.
Then you have the updates to see they don't try to fic the game. A bunch of times they updated saying how they fixed (not added fixed) something in their games and like a week or less after the update you would another message talking about how they actually fixed this time. tf2 is an example. They don't simply trow shit a their games and then have to use 100 updates just to fix what they broke, sometimes they don't check the game to see if their random code actually fixed it or not. And people keep praising them because they support the community even when the last time they tried to add mods to Steam they cleary show that had no idea how the mod comminity works. They fucking sucks and people keep licking their asses.
http://www.teamfortress.com/?tab=updates
Cheack march 22, and march 24. or the bugs that have been in the game for years. They fucking sucks.
>>337672373
Those comments
Yeah LMAOBox is detected still. (luv u mordx)
>>337673043
>Not even posting my best video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFf0EoYSa6w
>>337679483
Kill yourself
>>337679941
>Kill yourself
>>>/b/
>>>/middle school/
>>337680116
>Impersonating me
>>337680158
Stop pretending to be me faggot
>>337677468
>Swiftwater should go fuck itself and die forever
This. God fucking damn it's so annoyingly chokey in spots. ESEA fags for some reason spam it in every "what would you want added to TF2"? iscussion on tftv when it's barely better than a reskinned Goldrush with worse aesthetics
>>337673018
If I stumbled across the source code for any hack for a huge game, I'd send it into the devs no matter who it was.
A. The massive shitstorm after would be absolutely hilarious to watch.
B. Hackers are absolute scum
>>337672443
The split is what killed the equalizer. The escape plan and the equalizer were once whole, one weapon. You ran around at sanic speeds, while dealing massive damage.
I hate this faggots videos, but this is a good example of what it used to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEXLQ_cHDDw
>>337683997
Equalizer isn't even dead, it's just outclassed by "Gloves of Running Urgently for the Soldier" aka Escape Plan.
If EP didn't exist, Equalizer would be a perfect sidegrade to the Shovel and equipped a lot more often. Imagine it in Demo's inventory with its current stats and you'll get what I mean.
I wouldn't mind seeing Escape Plan and Equalizer fused back into one weapon, so long as it had some sort of major penalty to make it balanced. 2012 Equalizer was fun, but not balanced.
>>337685045
Every time I use the equalizer just to fuck around, I'm always disappointed at the maximum damage being so low and the minimum damage be too low.
>>337683997
I can't believe there's soldier's salty about this as if they think it wasn't desperately needed and deserved.
>>337676517
>The Japanese maps
>>337686073
It wasfun
>>337667734
You missed the part where you had to tell the main menu to fuck off because you dont want to watch streams of a game you are playing.
>>337686223
Of course being OP is fun.
The BFB was fun. Doesn't mean I dont' think it should have been nerfed. As nerfed as it got? Probably not, but, it deserved it. Shit was ridiculously strong.
>>337686354
>He can't hit a guy trying to melee people
>>337686667
Not at all anon.
But soldier doesn't need nor deserve that much utility considering rocket jumping.
>>337668052
>lastname.firstname
>firstname.lastname
I see this sometimes, why do people do that
>>337685173
Well personally I think that situation would be improved if Valve changed the way melee hit detection works to a more L4D system, then buffed all melees by 10 damage across the board (from 65 to 75). Soldier would get more mileage out of even his stock melee if it wasn't so low damage in addition to being point-blank range.
>>337686785
Because of Facebook.
>>337687128
Soldier's melee is the same as everyone else's and has rockets.
Your point is kinda invalid.
>Crates used to be mostly weapons with a chance to get a hat, with an even rarer chance to get an Unusual
>Then they became mostly stranges with a chance to get a hat or a tool, with an even rarer chance to get a unique tool or an Unusual
>Now they are mostly hats, but the hats are in different grades, and each grade has its own rarity
>Which means that now not only does the chance to get hats on the higher grades decrease with each tier, it's an even rarer chance to get them in strange or unusual, and an absurdly rare chance to get it as both strange AND unusual
Gotta love artificial scarcity.
>>337687128
Also a pointless amount of damage, it doesn't make anything die faster.
>>337686073
Solly mains are used to getting their way. The class has no hard counters, has mostly gone un-nerfed since 2007, has the most non-reskin weapon unlocks in the game at 26, and Soldier has even stolen the limelight in the comics/SFMs.
>>337687387
He's not supposed to have a hard counter, because he doesn't hard counter anything in turn.
He's the ultimate generalist. Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>337687243
>Soldier's melee is the same as everyone else's
I know that. He was saying that the Equalizer's damage both on high and low HP is too low. Buffing its damage would make Equalizer more satisfying to use, and buffing damage of melee across the board would make other classes who rarely use their melee weapons more likely to do so, rather than always swapping out to a utility option.
People frequently say we should add all sorts of gimmicks onto melee to make them used more often by their respective classes. I think just a 10 damage buff and some nerfs to the plain best ones will do the trick.
>>337687381
It does. With 65 damage/hit it takes 3 hits to kill a 150HP Medic. With 75 damage/hit it takes 2 hits.
>>337672373
This is a fucking thing? What's the point?
>>337687575
>because he doesn't hard counter anything in turn
Look at Engineer though. Soldier fucks him hard with indirect splash and bombing runs, especially when unlocks like Beggars and Air Strike that can wipe out a nest in one go are involved.
>top duel wins this season
>literally one season since 2010 or baka
wheow
>>337687575
"hard" counter is a loose term here.
considering how good soldier is against pretty much everything, it wouldn't hurt for soldier to have some weaknesses.
I say weaknesses. Not counters.
>>337687827
spy is a melee class that gets shat on by everyone else in melee. melee does not need a buff, it should be a last resort
>>337687972
Sentries (Denies airspace)
Pyros (Return to sender)
Snipers (Rockets do less damage at range)
>>337688117
And yet Melee gets to have a maximum 60% chance to randomly crit for 195 damage.
>>337688117
well obviously the buff would apply to the spy's knife for butterknifing as well
most classes don't fight spy with their melee face to face unless it's a botched stab or spycheck, so the butterknife doing 50 damage instead of 40 would make it more effective in such a situation to keep up with everyone else getting better melees
>>337667734
tf2 was killed almost instantly by overwatchs release
fact
>>337688208
i think spy should get a 60% to facestab, if they did that more people would be against crits
>>337688452
no point sooking about random crits anymore, they're not going to be a part of competitive matchmaking and they haven't been a part of esea/ugc/etf2l/ozfort since their inception
>>337686785
steam account name, and they don't bother changing it
>>337688575
>No point in worrying about random crits anymore, they're not going to be part of the small niche game mode that a small percentage of the TF2 population is going to give two shits about!
>>337688783
>competitive matchmaking will be a small niche game mode
Do people give no shits about CS:GO competitive? Dota competitive? League competitive? Do you think the majority of twitch streams are of pub play?
Comp matchmaking isn't going to be "small niche", you dolt.
>>337667734
This is bait, i join valve official all the time and never deal with people and never deal with dancers who refuse to play
>>337689024
The difference is that with CS:GO, DOTA and League, those games were set up to be competitive "eSports" types of games to begin with. Small teams were the game design from the start.
TF2 was designed as a 12v12 team-oriented first person shooter, not a 6v6 competitive shooter.
>>337672373
Blu Soldier did nothing wrong
>>337689024
b4anny is a well known tf2 comp player and i rarely see more than 500 people in his streams. i don't think many people care about comp
>>337688128
airspace isn't necessary for rocket jumping as much as you think it is; rocket jumping and pogoing for speed doesn't require that kind of airspace. and splash damage fucks over sentries either way.
at close range rockets aren't getting reflected and pyros are still pretty much a joke anyway.
As for snipers: They're a problem for every class if they're either good enough or protected well enough.
This all is besides the point:
I said the class could use weaknesses. _Not counters_
Which you said the class wasn't hard countered, yes? Which those would be not hard counters?
>>337667734
I've been just doing Valve servers, and I rarely see these retards. If you see one just shoot them in the face and laugh at them
>>337667734
>not playing only surf servers
baka desu senpai
>>337689024
Comp will be a joke if they don't do anything against people like >>337679483
>>337672373
>Original
a true pro, probably a quake veteran
>>337672373
that ending
>>337667734
TF2 then:
>jacked up economy
>custom skins were allowed on pub servers
>custom sounds were allowed on pub servers
>easy to find a good community server with custom maps and decent players
TF2 now:
>economy is beyond repair
>custom skins not allowed on pub servers, only Valves MS Paint variants
>custom sounds on pub servers are now distorted mess
>good community servers are harder to find and usually full of forum related garbage
>>337690960
>custom sounds
Normally I'm not against customization.
And I'm not a spy player.
But people have often modified their sounds to have very loud, "SPY!" sounds instead of cloaked spy footsteps. That smacks of retard.
>>337690960
>economy
who cares about this shit
this is why you stick to valve servers
>>337691206
Didn't even know you could do that, I've only ever changed my hit/crit sounds, arrow impact, and cabinet noises.
>>337686785
Trying to look pro.
>>337690960
>custom skins not allowed on pub servers, only Valves MS Paint variants
Wait, does this apply to custom models too? I've had a Loch n' Load mod that I used for years.
>>337689151
>The difference is that with CS:GO, DOTA and League, those games were set up to be competitive "eSports" types of games to begin with
League of Legends and Dota 2 were not set up as an "eSports" type game, they were simply translations of the Dota fun map for Warcraft, just like TF2 is a translation of a Quake fun mod. Both Dota and LoL had to go heavy redesigning to become considered "competitive eSports". I'll give you CS:GO being set up to be competitive, but I doubt that has little bearing; Team Fortress Classic was a much messier game than TF2 yet had a thriving competitive scene.
The playercount makes little difference, once competitive is officially sanctioned by Valve lots of people are going to be playing it for that e-peen extending high rank and if you think otherwise you are either being disingenuous or stupid. It's not going to be "small niche".
>>337691854
Valve servers are so incredibly easy to stomp it's not fun.
>>337689325
well it doesn't help that he's a bit of a limp-wristed faggot, and has been a huge douche lately (basically called the entire EU scene shit) and is getting shunned by a lot of EU players as well as US players.
not many people care about comp now because the community is unwelcoming, there's shit all for a prize pool, and you have to jump through hoops to join. And finally it's not officially recognized by Valve.
When Valve legitimizes TF2 competitive, adds easy joining systems and adds prizes like with Dota, it will be a hell of a lot more popular.
>>337672373
>360 fucking p
>Video released in 2013
>It's not even recorded by a shitty camera
why
>>337685045
Really all they needed was the penalty to make you take minicrits with it out, not that and splitting it into two weapons. At the health ranges where the EQ is effective a single minicrit will kill you anyway.
That or make it like the Katana but you can't ever unequip it unless you die.
>>337672926
>Over 30000 players banned
I thought it was ~10000
>>337673043
VAC means nothing in pub serves because new accounts are easy to create. The banwave was so delicious because a bunch of cocky idiots people ran cheats on accounts that they had actually invested something into. They had an "undetectable" cheat before and got wrecked, most of them won't do it again any time soon.
>>337672373
>friendly servers
This HAS to be a joke.
>>337672373
>blue soldier makes people actually play the game
>seen as bad
>Got massively nostalgic for the maps NOBODY plays anymore
>cp_dustbowl
>cp_gravelpit
>cp_well
>cp_granary
>Only found a server for gravelpit and it's filled with only the dumbest players
>Could not find anything for e.g. well
It hurts
Unpopular opinions coming throught:
> Tho I don't hate friendlies, nor I don't kill them; I try to tell our friendly hoovy that the team is fighting and struggling to win, and that he should help his team, because being friendly in a highly competitive game is very rude, and I don't approve it.
> I don't mind Furries/Bronies/Weeabos/any sort of fandom as long as they are not being obnoxious (Say, mic spamming)
> If I see a new player doing something wrong, I will try to advice him how to play right, and if his actually learning from what I'm saying/from his mistakes, then I have no problem on teaching said player on how to play
This also applies in Mann up, instead of straight vote-kicking, I will point out any mistake or error a player did.
> I'm not an asshole, most of the times.
> If it happens to have too much power classes, I frecuently switch to support classes, say Medic and Engineer
> I rather have a friendly duel with a player/friend, than being friendly. Being friendly is pretty boring, in my opinion, I rather have a healthy competition with a buddy.
>tfw my ping is beyond saving 90% of the time
>tfw when it's passable, my team is trash
Stopped playing this game for a good reason.
>>337699854
I know that feeling
Which country you from, anon?
>people seriously believe tf2 will survive a combined attack on its playerbase from overwatch and battleborn
>>337700042
It's survived despite literally dying, two games you have to pay for in different genres of exceptionally poor quality isn't going to change much.
Interested in what the next update is going to be however.
>>337699779
>playing Mann Up
>>337697324
"A tryhard is a guy that thinks this entire game is just about killing people. It is not. "
>>337699972
The good ole' US of A, but my internet provider is shit, but it's the only one in the area.
>>337686785
it's the wannabe gregor
>>337700229
What's wrong with Mann up?
Besides the stupid meta-gamefaggotry elitism.
>>337700314
Well, at least you can upgrade your ISP and get a better connection.
Me, as a southamerican, I'm doomed to stay in HUEHUEHUEservers or being laggy as hell in US servers.
>>337700676
>BR can't read
He just said he can't, most of the people in the US actually can't because of "it's not monopoly if we look at all 52 states being divided between us" agreements that won't ever change because they own the fucking government on such topics.
Where you live determines your service, end of story.
>>337701003
Yeah, and as far as I'm aware, Michigan is a shit
>>337701003
>1 ISP per state
>Can't change it
Hell
Well, suddenly my situation doesn't seem so bad
I'm tempted to reinstall it. Is the game even worth playing in its current form?
>>337701391
>game even worth playing in its current form?
Depends
In what you're intrested?
>>337673921
>Wear Gibus
>Everyone tries doubly hard to kill you to get gibus
>Become a walking trap, everyone going after me getting lit up by snipers/sentries/hoovies
Every fucking time.
>>337699523
>nobody plays anymore
>dustbowl
nigga u cray?
during daylight hours there will ALWAYS be a dustbowl valve server
and the other ones you listed aren't that hard to find
>tfw when Overwatch will never have dank memes
>>337702159
Proud gibus wearer here
That doesn't exacly happens to me, but instead:
>Enemies sees a little gibus/pyrovision engineer sneaking in the base
>Let him go
>2 minutes later
>The whole fucking team is spawn camping the enemy spawn, capping the last point with a level 3 sentry up
>Win the round'The little gibus engineer does it again'
>Watch the salt pour from the screen
In my second scenario, I go Back scatter/Bonk!/Fish Taunting laughing griefing scout
Hillarious.
>>337687128
No melee is just fine as it is, the reason stock is so bad on soldier is that he's so slow he can't catch up to back pedaling players. Random melee crits already gives players a reason to use melee occasionally they don't need a damage buff.
>>337703615
i have like 500 hours on spy and think gibus looks nice on him, i trickstab so many cocky cunts
>>337704142
So you play as spy with the gibus?
Well I find ironic the fact I get stabbed and fucked up by another good gibus Spy
A taste of my own medicine
Gas all the spies
TF2 from 2010-2012 is some of the most fun I have ever had with a video game
It's such a shame that the community went to shit instead of dying.
I mean we are at a point where you need to specifically search for servers where people are actually playing the game instead of dicking around.
Also RIP to all those custom gamemodes that no one ever plays any more. Wackyraces and fuckhuge point capture maps were phenomenal
Play on furry servers. Skilled players, quality map rotation, "friendly hoovy" is a bannable offense. You'll probably want to disable all forms of chat though.
>>337705038
>You'll probably want to disable all forms of chat though.
Tho I can imagine a possible scenario; tell me why I should do that
Only to confirm what I'm thinking right know.
Just play HL/6s pickup games on center or whatever, it's the most fun you can have with any not-dead multiplayer FPS these days.
>>337676517
Most custom maps are unoptimized shit
>>337704119
You're right, but not all situations where Soldier has used up his primary and secondary clip, and needs to decide between swapping to melee or continuing to fire rocket launcher, involve the enemy being able to backpedal away from his melee range. If it's a Demo, another Soldier, a Heavy, or any class in a confined space like a last point control point push, then Soldier's melee is a viable option for catching enemies.
No, where it really falls down is that melee base damage is so low, and not worth the time taken to reload your primary or secondary. You could spend 0.5s to swap to your melee and swing it for 65 damage, or you could spend 1 second reloading your secondary for a 90 damage meatshot at the same range, even when the enemy is in range for you to hit them with your melee.
A small damage buff to all melees (after fixing janky hit detection) will help the melees of classes who rarely have a reason to use it.
>random crits
Aren't present in comp MM or normal comp. I want to see a little more melee choice variety in comp, instead of seeing all Scouts run Basher, all Soldiers run DA/EP, all Pyros Powerjack, all Heavies GRU, and all Medics Ubersaw.
>>337686785
All my nicknames pretty much everywhere is just;
>firstname
Simple and clean.
And I like it. Fuck you.
>>337706546
>If it's a Demo, another Soldier, a Heavy, or any class in a confined space like a last point control point push, then Soldier's melee is a viable option for catching enemies.
Yes but for the other 90% of the time that's not the case. Hell how often do you actually get melee kills on heavies? If somehow you both run out of ammo at the same time even if you ignored him that heavy is probably still going to get killed by a nearby teammate since he's a sitting duck now. Same goes for demo, if he's out of ammo scouts are going to rape him anyway.
>No, where it really falls down is that melee base damage is so low, and not worth the time taken to reload your primary or secondary
If you wanted to buff it you'd have to increase it to 90 so you could two shot 175 classes and that's simply way too much and if you only did 10 then things still haven't changed because enemies still take the same amount of hits in almost every situation. Valve already thought of this and it's why they went with a random chance to do more damage over simply buffing it and I have to agree with them, this was the smarter thing to do. Frankly if an enemy is able to get into melee range of you they deserve that chance. I think melee random crits should be given a chance in comp, just without the rampup from doing damage.
>>337672373
>play the game
>be labelled a tryhard
I don't understand the current community
>>337710097
you gotta go heavy and fuck around with them for a little bitand then kgb the fuck outta them
>im friendly stop shoot me!!
>>337672023
Soldier is tanky, given that he is the only class except fro Heavy that can survive melee crit.
And he does have the range of Sniper. The fact that he is not nearly as effective at that range is antoher matter.
>>337689132
>This is bait
No shit? Almost every single "i wanted to play TF2 but no one was actually playing xDDDD woe is me :DD" greentext story is fake.
>Try playing TF2 because my friend was bugging me to during the entire Overwatch open beta
>Only have fun on randomizer servers where you get rapid fire revolvers and one-shot rocket launchers and shit
>On regular game modes, just wish I was playing Overwatch instead
Am I alone
>>337712879
Im right there with you.
I stopped playing tf2 like a year ago because it just got too boring, all i did was just surfing and collecting virutal hats.
I look back and wonder what the fuck i was doing.
>>337672373
>creator's self insert saves the day to epic music
>>337713469
>too good at surfing to get any entertainment from the simple combat-surf maps
>too shitty at surfing to get anywhere on the skill-surf maps
