Do you think videogames, i.e. first-peson shooters cause violence?
Naw, if a faggot kills someone after playing vidya he was already a psycho.
No, humans cause violence. The same way that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
>>337592350
Games were probably the only thing keeping those kids from shooting up their school sooner.
People need an outlet for their emotions, whatever that may be.
>>337593135
>guns don't kill people, people kill people.
but if there were no guns, people couldn´t kill each other that easily
no but violent video games enable violent people
Yes they do, but the modern liberal scientist will tell you otherwise in order to promote violence and degeneracy.
It's been proven over and over that if you surround yourself with negative hobbies you will be a negative person.
>>337593423
>This
plus mixing a shit load of guns in a country with a shit load of psychos, AKA america you have the country with the highest gun violence in the world
the problem is people who can't keep reality and media apart
>>337592350
They desensitize you to violence, so they do in a way
>>337593423
Knives, stones, hands, even shoving a foot down someone throat can kill him.
You are retarded.
>>337593423
What do you think the neanderthals did? Or the next couple generations of humans that evolved after them did? And so on. They used stones. Then spears. Then the bow and arrow. Life, uh, finds a way.
>>337593524
>videogames are a negative hobby
Nice meme.
No. I think you would have to be incredibly ignorant to believe video games cause violence. I mean, so fucking ignorant, you think eating your own shit is a good way to recycle.
>>337593695
>that easily
Please learn to read
>>337593423
If a person wants to kill a person he'll find a way to do it
Do you think the world was a peaceful place with no violence until gunpowder started getting used for weapons?
>>337593797
If someone has murder in their heart then they'll try to kill no matter what they have in their hands.
>>337593423
I agree. If everyone had to either punch each other to death or have fucking knife fights spree killers would be cooler.
Imagine if the columbine kids had to go around either chopping people up or punching their faces in.
I know it sounds edgy as all fuck but it would be metal as SHIT.
Anyone can point and shoot an assault rifle and kill 10s of people.
>>337592350
Most reasonable people know they don't but people here will claim they do since this being contrarian is ebin and super cool on 4chan
>>337593423
Conversely, if there were no guns, law enforcement would not be as effective. Can't have yin without yang, faggot.
>>337593797
Choking can be easier and even leave no mark.
A gun can brake in the wrong hands.
>>337593989
Yes I'm sure all the 14 year old mass shooters would've still tried shit if they were armed with only a knife
>>337593710
>Nice meme.
How surprising, a member of a videogames subforum is defending his "hobby". Videogames do cause violence and the pressure for their to federally regulate videogames is going to increase with the popularity of VR. Keep supporting the pornographers of violence.
>>337593480
Violent people are only enabled by means to cause violence. Games are not used to comit violence.
>>337594301
t. Manbaby who uses video game boards primarily for shitposting
>>337594301
>Keep supporting the pornographers of violence.
You just proved his point though, porn doesn't make you a rapist.
>>337594301
I'm sure Hitler played a lot of vidya back in his days
>>337594169
Just got the image of a cop chase and the criminal who is driving has a gun that flies towards the brake.
>>337594138
>law enforcement
good joke, most killings are done by cops
>>337592350
i've heard that multiplayer games cause more violence than singleplayer games
>>337594052
Called it
>>337594301
>>337593524
Yes.
Video Games have been the cause of all violence throughout human history.
>>337594301
Video games cause aggressive behavior, not violence
Know where that behavior comes from? The competitive aspects of games.
Should we ban sports because they're competitive too? Go look at any major sporting event and people get way more onto it than any video game
>>337593682
By this logic every single form of media with violent depictions desensitize you to violence. Even books.
>>337594220
Well knives are harder to detect, so they could have waited in empty classrooms or bathrooms and shanked anyone who passed by. And in this world without firearms you suggest, the authorities that would have been called would have been armed with knives as well, leading to potential further deaths as they would have to get close to neutralize the threat.
>>337594301
This is incredible bait, anon. You're outdone yourself this time and you rightly deserve every (You) that you get.
>>337594575
This. If all games, not only video games, weren´t allowed WW2 would have never happened.
Competition drives people crazy. Abolish Capitalism!
Viva la Revolucion!
>>337594456
Most murders, in the US anyway, are done by blacks
Despite the small number, around 12% of the population, they commit more murders than anybody else
>>337594456
good source, it still reeks of the ass you pulled it out of
>>337594661
Yes, and?
>>337594675
>And in this world without firearms you suggest
I wasn't that guy, and I think he just wanted firearms to stop being sold to the public, not removed completely
> they could have waited in empty classrooms or bathrooms and shanked anyone who passed by
There's no way they would be able to kill as many people
>>337594952
So you're saying all media is evil?
>>337594952
>Yes, and?
And you're a fucking nazi, my man.
I think violence is caused by the American high school culture.
That thing you see in American movies about kids being obsessed with popularity, it doesnt really happen all over the world, and in some countries only begun to happen due to the influence of American movies and tv shows.
The kids who shoot other kids in highschool should realize they are overrating the importance of that period of their life, and that in almost all cases they will never see their classmates again once they are done with high school.
>>337592350
Can we all agree that Dylan and Eric were the most /fa/ and based of all spree shooters?
>>337595028
What? Why would I be on a board about videogames if I thought they were "evil"?
>>337595068
>stating a fact makes you a nazi
Go read American Psycho and tell me how it wouldn't desensitize someone
The concept of violence in videogames is absurd for the simple reason that the concept "violence" is indefinable in the context of virtual worlds. It is a concept fundamentally linked to reality. It was invented to designate a process that can only occur in reality, and makes absolutely no sense outside of it. Outside of it, the word itself simply becomes illegible. Meaningless. People who use the word "violence" in connection with videogames, then, are either using it metaphorically, or, if they are trying to use it literally, are plain simply idiots.
>>337594952
>I wasn't that guy, and I think he just wanted firearms to stop being sold to the public, not removed completely
>but if there were no guns, people couldn´t kill each other that easily
I'm pretty sure the meaning is clear.
>There's no way they would be able to kill as many people
I'm glad you have psychic powers and can determine every possible course history could have taken through the power of your mind alone.
Video games caused the war of the roses we should ban them
Come on its 1461!
I fantasize about killing liberal hipsters en mass in San Francisco, but absolutely not because of violent video games. I just want those people to die.
>>337595093
I just don't get the fixation Americans have to popularity and violence and whatever. Is it just the rednecks and retards or are you all guys like this?
>>337594452
Well the next Hitler called Trump is trying to become president and is going to start WW3
sooo...
>>337595152
>Go read American Psycho and tell me how it wouldn't desensitize someone
Show me the number of deaths comitted by mentally stable people because of American Psycho
If someone decides to shoot up something because of a videogame.
The fault is on that person or the person who raised him/her/xe/zir if he/she/xer/kir is underage.
>>337595152
So you believe videogames cause violence and desensitize you to it, but you don't think they are evil? Are you a sociopath?
>>337595258
It's just dumb liberals trying to ban anything they don't like
Because to them progress is restricting everything
Madden didn't make me into an NFL-caliber football coach, or a pro-tier athlete
I can cook, but not because of Cooking Mama
I'm no closer to having all animals love me thanks to Pokemon and digital pets
I still can't double-jump
And my finger speed isn't as fast as Mike Tyson likes to claim
So why exactly would I be more violent because of video games?
>>337595303
>trump is going to start WW3
there won't be another world war in any of our lifetimes
>>337595303
Holy fuck this might just be the most Reddit post I've seen in a while.
How old are you?
>>337595207
>I'm pretty sure the meaning is clear.
>he wasn't autistically specific so I'm going to assume he meant something ridiculously impractical
>I'm glad you have psychic powers and can determine every possible course history could have taken through the power of your mind alone.
How the fuck could you kill more than a couple of people with just a knife, especially if you've never been in a fight before? Why wouldn't all the edgelords just use knives if it was that easy?
>>337595258
I am not American, but since I was a kid I have seen countless cartoons, tv shows and movies about American high schools and popularity and bullied nerds, and cheerleaders, proms and sport guys with jackets.
For me it is that high school culture what causes the school shootings, not guns or violent videogames.
High School students in the USA overrate the importance of their status and relationships during that period of their lives.
>>337592350
The game everyone sited as causing these guys to shoot up their school was Mortal Kombat. There aren't even guns in that game that aren't built into a robot, and it's not like they ran around freezing people with liquid nitrogen and ripping out their spine.
Video games cause as much violence as any other media, ie; not enough to matter. Older people just needed something new the kids were into to get mad about.
Research has long shown a cause-effect relationship between television violence and aggression among children and youth who watch it. Many social scientists expect video games to have an even greater impact for the following four reasons:
1.Children are more likely to imitate the actions of a character with whom they identify. In violent video games, players participate as a character, and even choose which weapons they’ll use while fighting other characters.
2.Video games by their very nature require active participation rather than passive observation.
3.Repetition increases learning. Video games involve a great deal of repetition. If the games are violent, then the effect is a behavioral rehearsal for violent activity.
4.Rewards increase learning, and video games are based on a reward system.
=Sources Listed on the bottom of the page=
http://www.pamf.org/parenting-teens/general/media-web/violentgames.html
>Remember you're on a videogame subforum so of course you'll be defending your games, stay unbiased.
>>337595439
Trump definitely will cause WW3 with his rascism and fascism .He needs to shut the fuck up and die already. Hillary has more experience and is better suited for being president unlike the communest Bernie or fascist Trump.
>>337595337
>Show me the number of deaths
Do you know what desensitize means
>>337595341
>So you believe videogames cause violence
Not directly
> and desensitize you to it
How would seeing shit like a guy's skull being crushed with bare hands not desensitize you to violence?
>but you don't think they are evil?
Obviously the benefit of the game existing outweighs this one small negative impact
>>337595303
You Americans always have to bring politics into everything.
related I guess?
valve/garry just removed columbine and and virginia massacre maps from garrys mod workshop few weeks ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWstY7gcFUE
>>337595525
My American highschool experience was nothing like what they show on TV, if you did anything remotely resembling bullying you'd get suspended or worse really fucking quick. Popular kids were often as smart as the 'nerds' and got along with everybody
I can imagine anime isn't exactly representative of Japanese highschool life either
>>337595662
Why even bother shitposting copypasta? Do you get off on being an idiot on a mongolian basketweaving forum? >>337594052
>videogames cause violence
>meanwhile there are African children literally cutting peoples heads off, shooting their moms, and inhaling glue
>>337595107
>share a coke with a walking sperm bank
>>337595212
>edgy
>>337595662
The main cause of violence and aggression is being restricted of things and being put in a corner.
Therefore, if you someone doesn't want their head and body separated by angry people, then they shouldn't do things to anger those people.
>>337595671
good meme, sir
>>337595898
>What, you said videogames cause violence? Oh, you must mean that videogames are the only cause of violence ever!
>>337595671
>Le ironic post
Stupid time-wasting cuck. Videogames are creating monsters.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/280812064539283457
>>337595503
>if
>there
>were
>no
>guns
You can assume he meant "if guns weren't as readily available to the public", but that's a lot more autistically specific than assuming he meant "if guns didn't exist".
Since you've determined that children with knives aren't as dangerous as children with guns, let me make my own assumption. What if those children were smart enough to know they would get caught easily if they attempted what they planned with knives. What if they grew up and refined the art of their killing methods- with knives. I would argue that an adult with a knife if the apex predator, much more so than an adult with a gun. They surely would have caused much more bloodshed if they had grown up and they psychotic tendencies festered and grew with them. Of course this is all just speculation, just like "How the fuck could you kill more than a couple of people with just a knife". :^)
>>337595671
This is bait, but I'd rather have a racist of a communist as my leader than a criminal shill who has no beliefs of her own.
>>337595791
>How would seeing shit like a guy's skull being crushed with bare hands not desensitize you to violence?
Because you're not seeing a guy's skull being crushed with bare hands, you're seeing a fictional, digital depiction of it.
>>337595957
>>337596031
Back to
>>pol
>play doom for 8 hours then finish with a nice hour long fap sesh to dank guro porn
when do I go crazy and start blasting normies?
>>337596143
Wouldn't the ideal president be someone who listens to the people instead of doing things they themselves want?
>>337596158
good one.
>>337596248
Hillary listens to us.
>>337596145
>game is designed to look as realistic as possible
>but not real so no effect!
>>337596248
I think you have politicians confused with real people, anon. I'm sure one day, this magical person will arrive.
>>337596248
This is why I am #cruzmissile now
>>337595107
>cutie
>>337596283
You're damn right, she listens so hard that she flip flops like a fish out of water on the most basic issues just because of poll numbers.
>>337596248
If we wanted a government that listened to the retarded masses we'd have a democracy
A republic is a good compromise
>>337596296
Yes?
>>337596176
My mommy said that it should turn you into a serial killer right away.
>>337593423
I think guns make it easier for people to one day go "fuck it" and go on a school shooting. I don't think guns is the only reason America has these shootings on like a yearly basis but it's a contributing factor for fucking sure.
>>337596470
We do have a democracy you idiot.
Yes they do, but the modern liberal scientist will tell you otherwise in order to promote violence and degeneracy.
It's been proven over and over that if you surround yourself with negative hobbies you will be a negative person.
How surprising, a member of a videogames subforum is defending his "hobby". Videogames do cause violence and the pressure for their to federally regulate videogames is going to increase with the popularity of VR. Keep supporting the pornographers of violence.
if there were no guns, people couldn´t kill each other that easily. most killings are done by cops.
Trump definitely will cause WW3 with his rascism and fascism .He needs to shut the fuck up and die already. Hillary has more experience and is better suited for being president unlike the communest Bernie or fascist Trump.
Research has long shown a cause-effect relationship between television violence and aggression among children and youth who watch it. Many social scientists expect video games to have an even greater impact for the following four reasons:
1.Children are more likely to imitate the actions of a character with whom they identify. In violent video games, players participate as a character, and even choose which weapons they’ll use while fighting other characters.
2.Video games by their very nature require active participation rather than passive observation.
3.Repetition increases learning. Video games involve a great deal of repetition. If the games are violent, then the effect is a behavioral rehearsal for violent activity.
4.Rewards increase learning, and video games are based on a reward system.
=Sources Listed on the bottom of the page=
http://www.pamf.org/parenting-teens/general/media-web/violentgames.html
>Remember you're on a videogame subforum so of course you'll be defending your games, stay unbiased.
Now give me them (You)s
>>337596540
I'm referring to a pure direct democracy, literal mob rule
>>337596143
>Since you've determined that children with knives aren't as dangerous as children with guns
Obviously it's a lot harder to kill someone with a knife than with a gun
>What if they grew up and refined the art of their killing methods- with knives.
Was this a joke post
>>337596616
Pure autism, kys
>>337596478
http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/07/28/video-games-desensitize-to-real-violence/137.html
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266396813_Playing_Violent_Video_Games_and_Desensitization_to_Violence
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/11/21/are-video-games-actually-desensitizing-us-to-violence/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103111000928
This Thread just shows how easily people get pissed, when they are confronted with the gun-violence issue, from which i conclude that videogames cause at least severe aggression
>>337596616
nigger what
here's your (You)
>there are people itt that don't know what fascism means
>>337596790
Can't rape the willing, so to speak.
>>337596709
It wasn't, but you seem to have missed the point of it. OBVIOUSLY the columbine shooters would have had a harder time with knives, so OBVIOUSLY they would have waited until they were adults to start committing harder to trace murder, in a world without guns.
Isn't rewriting history great?
>>337596616
I'm only giving you this (You) to let you know that you fucked up your meme arrows and I can't read this post properly. Do better next time.
>>337596798
>gun-violence issue
lmao niggers killing each other in droves isn't really an issue. anyways I'm out before I get squelched by jannies.
>>337596867
>so OBVIOUSLY they would have waited until they were adults to start committing harder to trace murder, in a world without guns.
Yeah you don't understand the motivation behind the attack at all
>>337596838
>Smug anime girls
That's how you know someone is mad
>>337596849
You want more studies to read? I just blindly posted the first 4 results
>>337596798
>>337597056
sorry i meant games-violence issue
>If they didn't have guns they would use knives!
Fucking retarded argument. You can make explosive devices out of every day household items. If your goal is to kill as many people as possible, it's more effective to use explosives. Banning guns would just make mass murderers use them more and it would only get worse. There are shitloads of ways to kill people.
>>337597249
I want you to prove to me that it's the video games that's desensitizing them as opposed to people actively desensitizing themselves.
>>337597346
This
Small arms kill jack shit in wars, explosions and artillery are where the body count comes in
Explosions will always be the most effective means of killing large amounts of people
>>337597346
>assuming that retarded edgelords would be smart enough to make a working bomb
>>337596158
>cant even board link properly
tell me more about how you're not from reddit
VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES ARE THE CAUSE OF VIOLENT BEHAVIOR AND AGGRESSION
>stop making violent video games
>world peace is secured
>no more domestic and international terrorism
>no more school shootings
>no more dad and mom fights
>no more gang violence
>no more sexual assault
>no more bullying
Prove me wrong
You can't.
>>337597612
There was violence before videogames.
>>337595303
Trump hates violent videogames.
>>337597509
http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Violent+Video+Games+Desensitize+Players+Cause+Heightened+Aggression/article21735.htm
>After 25 minutes of gaming, the volunteers were asked to view a series of neutral photos, such as a man on a bike, as well as violent photos, such as a man holding a gun to another man's mouth. While viewing the photos, volunteers' brain responses were measured by researchers.
>They also found that those who normally didn't play violent video games before the study, but did during the study, had decreased brain response to the violent photos. Those who did play violent video games before the study had "small" brain response to the violent photos no matter which game they played during the study.
>>337597819
I am #cruzmissile now
>>337597664
Since violent crime has actually dropped in recent decades in first-world countries, video games arguably prevent violence
>>337597875
That's not what I asked.
>>337598017
So you can't disprove the study? Okay
>>337598152
When the study doesn't prove anything, there's nothing to disprove.
>>337598242
And why does it not prove anything? You want another?
>>337598369
Because no conclusion was made on the result I asked for.
>>337598598
>after the test participants played 25 minutes they were less responsive to violence
>b-but doesn't prove anything!
>>337596616
But Trump openly supports banning violent video games
>>337598824
I asked if they desensitization was self-induced. No conclusion was made.
>>337598824
Not him but it doesn't. It merely desensitizes them. What we're looking for is if it will motivate them to react violently and will not hesitate to use physically abuse someone without a second thought.
>>337598948
Just keep ignoring what's right in front of you friend
>>337599008
>It merely desensitizes them
That's what I've been saying all along, read the thread before you post
>>337599162
>What we're looking for is if it will motivate them to react violently and will not hesitate to physically abuse someone without a second thought.
Finish reading the sentence before you post.
>>337599162
Keep ignoring my question.
>>337598898
this. vote for hillary or sanders if you want a world with videogames
>>337599485
Oh the ironing
>>337599518
>>337599316
Read this then log off for the day >>337593682
>>337599449
>before videogame, normal response to violence
>after videogame, weaker response to violence
Is this hard for you to understand or something?
>>337599619
then vote for hillary if you want a world in peace
>>337599518
trump haters btfo
>>337599647
>before study, normal response to violence
>after study, weaker response to violence
How do you know it's not the study itself? And you're still ignoring my question.
>>337599731
Based on her past record, Hillary is the last person to expect a world in peace from.
>>337599647
>They desensitize you, therefore violence
>>337599731
>implying hillary clinton isn't the most hawkish democrat in the race
also nice moving the goalposts
>>337598824
>implying being sensitive to violence is a good thing
>>337599879
You would be less likely to commit violence if you were still sensitive to it
>>337599932
Point out where I implied anything
>>337599813
>How do you know it's not the study itself?
How does that even happen in your head?
>stop ignoring me!
I've given you a study that proves a clear before and after change
>>337600287
>I've given you a study that proves a clear before and after change
Which is inconclusive due to the myriad of variables and the broadness of the results.
>>337593423
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED
If these guys had not killed with guns they would of used knives, hammers and all manner of other unregulated items.
We need to remove the vote from those that do not own property.
>>337600463
Please tell us about these magic variables anon!
>>337597612
All crime is slowly on a downward trend, violent crime, sexual crime, financial, theft. All on a steady downward trend.
YOU HAVE BEEN TRUMPED.
>>337600615
The study itself, the games being played, the state of the subjects before, during and after the study.
And none of what the study offers provides a conclusion for what I'm asking.
>>337600287
>I've given you a study that proves a clear before and after change
You've given us a study that shows correlation, not proof of a direct cause and effect relationship.
All you've shown is that fictional depictions of violence make people less sensitive to violence. You're essentially arguing that people are less likely to commit violence if they are not subject to fictional depictions of violence in media
So the logical conclusion of your argument is to ban fictional depictions of violence in media.
>>337600287
I would less likely commit violence because I am aware of the consequences of my actions and how it affects people. I think before I act.
You ever thought that the reasons these boys shoot up schools is because of anxiety and the marginalization they face in their lives? That they have no where to turn to, and no one to talk to? They're frustrated and furious that no one tries to understand them.
And as time goes by they lose faith in humanity and feel as if they have nothing to lose. Kind of like the kids who want to join ISIS.
>>337593423
You ignorant fool.
>>337593682
Next you'll tell us black lives matter
>>337593423
Oklahoma city didn't use guns.
>>337600908
>All you've shown is that fictional depictions of violence make people less sensitive to violence.
Thanks for agreeing me, that's what I was trying to say all along
>So the logical conclusion of your argument is to ban fictional depictions of violence in media.
You'd know I don't want to do that if you actually read my posts
>>337600956
You also need to read my posts
>You ever thought that the reasons these boys shoot up schools is because of anxiety and the marginalization they face in their lives? That they have no where to turn to, and no one to talk to? They're frustrated and furious that no one tries to understand them. And as time goes by they lose faith in humanity and feel as if they have nothing to lose.
lmao is this projection?
>>337601071
nah we need to kill all the niggers, right guys? xd
>>337600890
>the games being played
Were violent games
>state of the subjects
Yeah I guess all of them happened to be in a bad mood that day right?
No, and it is not a matter of opinion.
This entire thread
>>337601385
So you understand that your studies aren't worth the internet they're printed on?
And it STILL doesn't factor in what I'm asking for.
A gun in the hands of a good person is a good thing.
A gun in the hands of a bad person is a bad thing.
It's not rocket surgery. Making firearms illegal won't be taking guns away from bad guys. They will be taken away from the good people that just want to protect themselves and their family. Remember when all drug related crimes were completely stopped when all drugs became illegal?
>>337601385
>You also need to read my posts
>lmao is this projection?
So in conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>337601268
For What?
To beat the Spurs?
>>337601705
So in conclusion, I never said games directly cause mass shootings, or whatever you were trying to say back there. Don't worry though anon, it gets better
>>337601676
>And it STILL doesn't factor in what I'm asking for
Yeah I already explained how it does
>>337602020
You don't even know what I'm asking for.
>>337602109
Okay
>>337599518
>this anti-hillary post gets delete for being "Garbage Outside of /b/", despite being 100% on topic and related to video games
>all the offtopic anti-trump shitposts stay up
wew jannies, really showing your true colors here.
Do action flicks cause violence? The killing is evidently presented as good, since it's the good guys doing it and the bad guys getting exterminated.
>>337602020
Assuming you are the OP, you were asking whether it violent videogames cause violence? Sure it desensitizes you but it does not necessarily cause it. End of story. How can you not grasp that?
>>337602225
So what am I asking for?
>>337601860
OKC bombing anon. Killed a moderate amount of people.
>>337602302
>Assuming you are the OP
Why would you assume that?
>Sure it desensitizes you
Thanks for agreeing with me again friend
>>337602347
>I want you to prove to me that it's the video games that's desensitizing them as opposed to people actively desensitizing themselves.
>>337594761
So ban blacks, and ban guns, then we can have utopia
>>337602547
And do you understand what that means?
>>337601385
I've already read your posts. You literally said:
>You would be less likely to commit violence if you were still sensitive to it
After posting a study suggesting people who are subjected to fictional depicitions of violence are less sensitive to actual violence.
Either you are pro-violence, or you think fictional depictions of violence in media should be banned.
>>337602020
>Inever said games directly cause mass shootings
Your entire arugment is that they indirectly cause violence. Don't be a pendant.
>>337601680
How paranoid can you be? The purpose of gun control is to keep them out of the hands of criminals and lunatics.
>>337602547
>Why would you assume that?
Why else would you be here? You persist in replying to us and offer nothing but deflection. It's a terrible bait thread but at least try.
>Thanks for agreeing with me again friend
agree to disagree
>>337602954
Which doesn't work because criminals don't obey the laws by definition.
You use parinioa as if that isn't the main drive behind gun control.
How do we know that the statistic you have posted can be reliable?
>>337602672
Yes?
>>337602779
>I've already read your posts
Show me the post where I said that I think the benefit of violent media outweighs that one negative effect
>Your entire arugment is that they indirectly cause violence.
Okay? I knew what my arugment was already
>>337603048
>Why else would you be here?
Would you like a screenshot that proves I'm not the OP
>and offer nothing but deflection.
You've been agreeing with me the entire time, what is there to deflect?
>>337603175
What does it mean then?
>>337603097
So how then is making it harder for criminals to buy guns a bad thing?
>>337603175
So you're literally admitting that you think fictional depictions of violence indirectly cause violence. Again, you said:
>You would be less likely to commit violence if you were still sensitive to it
After posting a study suggesting people who are subjected to fictional depicitions of violence are less sensitive to actual violence.
Either you are pro-violence, or you think fictional depictions of violence in media should be banned.
>>337592350
nah
>>337595102
i was just noticing how they're both wearing those john lennon style sunglasses
>>337603097
>Actual school shootings are now paranoia
But no, you're right, wanting to defend your home from blacks and the gubmint has higher priority
>>337603269
Because they won't buy them from gun stores?
They would buy them from black market dealers. Do you think Oxy addicts go to Kaiser to buy their shit?
If video games causes violence, then I would have been on CNN years ago for shooting up my neighborhood.
Oh wait, I didn't shoot up my neighborhood. Why? Because I'm not criminally insane.
Now! Take my video games away, and you'll see my ugly face on CNN guaranteed. Chew on that one for a bit.
>>337603269
That videogames are desensitizing people as opposed to any other factor, and I've shown you a study where people became less responsive to violence directly after playing a game, I don't know what else you want
>>337603298
>So you're literally admitting that you think fictional depictions of violence indirectly cause violence.
Are you only realising that I think that now? Amazing
> you think fictional depictions of violence in media should be banned.
All you have to do is read my posts
>>337603269
>making it harder for criminals to buy guns
It doesn't do that. It makes it harder for innocent people to buy guns. It's literally gun DRM.
>>337603175
>You've been agreeing with me the entire time, what is there to deflect?
>Me: It desensitizes you but it is not enough for them to cause violence
>You: It desensitizes you and therefore they will commit violence
>>337603460
>Implying buying guns from a black market is as easy as buying them legally
>Implying controlling guns doesn't also mean cracking down on the illegal trade of guns
>>337592350
>video game sales at all time high
>western violence at an all time low
>>337603562
>I've shown you a study where people became less responsive to violence directly after playing a game, I don't know what else you want
And how can you prove that this study can be relied upon?
>>337603562
>That videogames are desensitizing people as opposed to any other factor
Wrong.
>>337592350
I think so yes, just like other things.
I cant even remember the last time I hired a cleaning person or yoga instructor and didn't fuck them.
>>337603136
What statistic?
>>337592350
ITT: nobody understands what gun control laws actually mean and everybody spews NRA rhetoric
>>337603269
Because it doesn't, criminals do not obey gun laws to begin with.
Gun control only serves to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. aka people who obey gun control laws.
>>337603436
Actual school shootings make up a minute fraction of homicide rates.
Using them to justify banning guns is like using the paris shootings and UK bombings to justify banning muslims.
>>337596540
Don't forget to do your homework this weekend anon. Summer's almost here.
>>337593423
>people couldn´t kill each other that easily
Exactly, which would confer an unfair advantage to physically capable and leave women, cripples and the elderly unable to effectively defend themselves.
There is nothing more important than to ban all guns in the world right now. They can not be used for anything else other than cause harm.
NOBODY should have a gun. There is literally no reason. Ban TODAY.
>>337603829
Study, whatever. How can you prove that it can be relied upon?
>>337603562
>Are you only realising that I think that now? Amazing
No, we realized it from the start. You're just being pedantic and arguing semantics between direct and indirect causes.
>All you have to do is read my posts
I've already read your posts. You've literally admitting that you think fictional depictions of violence indirectly cause violence. Again, you said:
>You would be less likely to commit violence if you were still sensitive to it
After posting a study suggesting people who are subjected to fictional depicitions of violence are less sensitive to actual violence.
Either you are pro-violence, or you think fictional depictions of violence in media should be banned.
>>337603436
>wanting to defend your home from blacks and the gubmint has higher priority
according to the constitution it does.
>>337603990
What study? There is only one statistic ITT, >>337601445 I think it's reliable since it's from the CDC.
I bet half of you are scared to go in to a gun store.
>>337604048
Why are you just copy pasting the same thing over and over?
>>337603731
Google "videogames desensitize to real life violence" and find one you think is reliable then
>>337603624
Looks like I got an anonymous poster mixed up with an identical anonymous poster
>>337604387
I'm also scared to go into a liquor store, but that's because I know nothing about liquor.
>>337604517
>and find one you think is reliable then
That's not my job, you're here to convince us and you're not answering my question.
How do YOU know it is reliable? I "think" is not enough. How can this study/statistic support your argument? How?
So whats the problem?
Can´t we just all agree videogames are in some way bad?
Listen guys, I know our cushy lives kind of mislead us into thinking we're a peaceful species, but we're not. We're predators. Violence is inherent in our our very nature. Any one of us at any time can have a just bad enough day to cause violence.
Fear and stress lead to violent outbursts. That's why the most violence happens with people who are under educated, don't have access to resources, and don't have many opportunities: ie the poor. There are outliers, but for the most part, violence is caused directly by the amount of misery in a person's life. Take away the misery, and you take away the impetus to cause violence.
Media doesn't influence people directly. A game of Doom cranks the same chemicals as participating in any competitive behavior, IE watching sports, or gameshows. This is good, because in a world that has limited resources *life itself is competitive.* That is why we push to progress as a species.
Did the Columbine kids get influence by Doom to kill their classmates? I don't know for sure, but I know it's the social competition and pressure that caused them to pick up arms to begin with. I think ultimately, it's because they didn't have the mental fortitude to compete.
They were pussies, in essence.
>>337604517
Because you just keep responding with "read my posts" over and over. I don't know what else to tell you other than what you've established in your posts:
- Fictional depictions of violence in media, ie videogames, are an indirect cause of actual violence
- People who are subject to fictional depicitons of violence are less sensitive to actual violence
- You are less likely to commit violence if you were still sensitive to it
The logical conclusion here is that fictional depictions of violence in media should be banned, assuming you are not pro-violence. Spouting "READ MY POSTS SHOW ME THE POSTS WHERE I SAID THAT" is just deflection at this point.
>>337604916
Video games themselves, no. Encouraging a lifestyle of isolation and low physical and mental activity, yes, but that's neither exclusive nor native to video games.
>>337604632
Then how can you possibly find out why people like it or even offer comment or critique? You are as bad as them stupid bitches that say comment on video games when knowing nothing about them.
>>337605089
>I don't know what else to tell you other than what you've already written
Are you autistic?
>The logical conclusion here is that fictional depictions of violence in media should be banned
And I've written so many times that I disagree with that
>>337604801
List your criteria for a reliable study
>>337605610
>List your criteria for a reliable study
You tell me! It took you 9 minutes and that's all you can muster?
>>337605610
>And I've written so many times that I disagree with that
And yet everything else you've written contradicts that. Unless you're pro violence.
Is this a ruse, or are you actually this stupid? I genuinely can't tell. I definitely clarified for people this stupid.
>>337605780
>It took you 9 minutes and that's all you can muster?
You think I sat there for 9 minutes thinking about what to write? I don't know what you want to hear - it's from a reliable source, decent sample size, what do you want?
>And yet everything else you've written contradicts that.
I said several times that the benefit of the violent game existing outweighs that one thing that I don't really care about
>guy who spent half an hour repeating my own argument back at me is now calling me stupid
Woah
>>337592880
This. If anything violent media can feed pre-existing disposition toward violence.
>>337605802
Sorry I forgot to give you your reply friend >>337606161
Read my links, no concrete connection found between violence and video games. Most of it seems driven on opinion.
http://www.apa.org/action/resources/research-in-action/protect.aspx
This one shows that it's actually on a case-by-case basis on whether it affects brain activity:
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/do-violent-movies-cause-aggression-answer-may-depend-n205556
Video games causing violence might be the "Tail Wagging the Dog"
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-out-outside-in/201212/violent-video-games-and-movies-causing-violent-behavior
>>337606161
>You think I sat there for 9 minutes thinking about what to write?
No I think you had your thumb up your ass?
Prove that it is RELIABLE! Why is that so hard?
>>337602954
Yes, because that worked perfectly, just ask Paris :^P
>>337606359
>No I think you had your thumb up your ass?
You know most people will be doing other things while browsing 4chan right?
>Prove that it is RELIABLE!
Because it comes from a reliable source and there are no problems I can see with the method? Neither of us know what would satisfy you
>>337605234
This is what the danger is, if you do anything from putting model ships in bottles or read alone for weeks on end it will be as dangerous. If not more so in the case of reading as you are actively imagining and self placement rather than just watching passively.
>>337606161
Yet you've spent well over a half hour repeating the same argument in favor of that one thing you supposedly don't care about
When you claim you don't want to regulate violent games, then spend nearly the entire thread arguing that violent games makes people more likely to be violent, even indirectly, people are going to stop taking you at your word.
Or assume you're pro-violence.
You repedetedly told me to read your posts, and when I pointed out your argument you accused me of being stupid and autistic.
So yes, you are fucking stupid.
>>337592350
Not directly, but they do desensitize people to violence.
That being said, It's a good thing, you cannot shield people from the knowledge of violence, which is what all these helicopter parents are trying to do.
The more you hide/forbid something, the more enticing it will appear.
We have guns because one day our government is going to turn to pure shit instead of mostly shit and we're going to need to burn it all down by force. That's why we have them and that's why need have to deal with all the shit that comes with that. Anyone who wants to totally ban guns either does not understand the way governments inevitably end up or is willing to take government dick up their ass until the end of time. This isn't a conspiracy theory or some redneck panicking on his lawn while saluting his flag, it's just the way it is. The founding fathers had to fight off a shitty government and they wanted to make sure we could do the same.
General consensus is they cause sexism and misogyny so why not
>>337607180
SJW drama queens and gaming journalists who need to justify their paychecks do not make up the general consensus
>>337606815
> You repedetedly told me to read your posts
Because you were finding it hard to understand that I don't want to ban violent games or whatever, I assumed you couldn't have read the thread
>Yet you've spent well over a half hour repeating the same argument in favor of that one thing you supposedly don't care about
And you spent over half an hour telling me what my own argument is, posting pictures from your Homer reaction image folder. So yes, you are fucking autistic, and a waste of my time
>>337606576
>Because it comes from a reliable source and there are no problems I can see with the method?
You are definitely retarded. You obviously don't know the difference between proving something and "well I think it is so therefore it must be".
>>337607142
No we don't. That was true 100 years ago, or even 60 years ago. Now the government is just too profitable to fail, it generates and conceals and pays out too much money for all. It is now too late to fight the government in any real sense because the media will turn anybody doing so in to a nutcase, IE Donald Trump.
We have guns to jaboot-shooti jamal when he tries to kick down your door and steal your Xbox and liquor.
We have guns to talibani-double-tap Ackh-ma-dick when he runs in to a store with an AK.
We have guns so that we may all be equal in freedom and ability to defend ourselves.
Anything else is just not going to be possible, the Government is not the same one that the Founding Fathers envisoned at all, it can no longer be fought in a meaningful manner, all we can do right now is to be aware of its influence in media and recognise midirection and untruth when we see it.
>>337607580
I asked you to list your criteria for a reliable study and you couldn't even do it, fuck off
>>337593574
>you have the country with the highest gun violence in the world
That would actuality be Honduras, which also has very strict gun control.
>>337607707
Idk man if a couple of dudes ran into the white house, the senate, the House or the Electoral college and emptied the place it'd definitely change something.
>>337593423
Friendly reminder if live in any other place but America your opinion on gun control doesn't mean shit
>>337607921
Forgot the supreme court. We could probably get a lot of change out of just getting rid of those shitbags.
>>337607383
>Because you were finding it hard to understand that I don't want to ban violent games or whatever,
You refuse to clarify your position, despite logical conclusion of your argument is that you want to ban fictional depictions of violence in media. Or that you're pro violence.
>And you spent over half an hour telling me what my own argument is,
Because you repetedly accused me of not reading your posts. Even though I clearly did.
>I assumed you couldn't have read the thread
Even though I repetedly pointed out your argument, to the point where you even agreed with it. And now you're chastising me for doing so, on top of using reaction images on an image board. You spent the entire thread wasting everyone's time with your pedantic shitposts
How are you not a complete fucking idiot?
Bump for more /v/iolence
>>337592350
If i ever went on some psycho rampage I always planned to leave a note behind saying I was inspired by video games and used Weed to fuel my rampage.
>>337608206
You should say that 4chan made you do it.
>>337593423
>If there were no guns
That's the problem. We have had guns for around 1000 years, there is no way to just make them disapear.
Sure you could ban every damn gun in the US, but they are so pervasive that criminals will get their hands on them no matter what.
Also, more laws =/= less criminals, as, by their very definition, they break laws.
You want some /x/pol/ truth shit
There were more than two shooters at Columbine that day
>>337592350
>cause
No, they do not cause violence per se, but they do contribute to facilitating variables that increase the likelihood of a person being violent.
Don't feel like finding sources cause I'm on a study break, but I'm graduating summa cum laude with a bachelors in psychology, and I have come across a many scientific journal articles on the topic (though often not pertaining to video games, but violent media and images).
Google Bandura's social learning theory and his study with the Bobo doll. This is a well known study that is in every intro psych text book.
Basically people, children especially, are influenced by the things they see.
I know there are a couple studies on the topic of violent video games and actual violence that say otherwise, but they are very few in comparison to the body knowledge on the subject in general, and they are psychometrically crude.
I'm by no means advocating for removing violent video games, but I do acknowledge their harmful effects. As such I do no think children should be playing them, and if they do then they need to have parental guidance to help them understand their context.
>inb4 psychology is a pseudoscience
>inb4 angry opinions from /v/irgins
>>337608569
tell us more, anon
>>337608569
DELETE THIS
>>337607745
Which I said is your "JOB"!
Have you ever considered the methods they have used to end up with the conclusion they have? How can they be sure? Could they have been other factors that they have not taken into account? Such as social status, level of education?
Nothing is definite. Especially with something as complex as the human mind and nature.
It's merely all theory.
>>337592350
Hearthstone causes violence.
ASSFAGGOTS cause violence.
FPS is just plain patriotic, saving civilization.
>>337608630
>I'm graduating summa cum laude with a bachelors in psychology
>>337607921
Yeah, they'd be charged with treason, killed and be used as justification for tighter gun control. You can not 'kill' the government, all you do by attacking it is make yourself a target and scapegoat to hand over further power.
>>337608630
>cum
hehe cum
>>337608731
That's fine, I already have a job waiting for me at a big software company as a writer making decent money for my first job out of school. Maybe one day I will go back for my Ph D and make actual bank as a physiologist.
>>337608098
>You refuse to clarify your position
I love that I still have a valid reason to tell you to go read my posts
>despite logical conclusion of your argument is that you want to ban fictional depictions of violence in media. Or that you're pro violence.
Stop posting the same thing over and over, fucking autist. I already told you so many times that I disagree with that
>Because you repetedly accused me of not reading your posts. Even though I clearly did.
I'm actually impressed if you did read them, since you still can't understand my opinion after I wrote it out for you several times.
>Even though I repetedly pointed out your argument
You did, and thank you for that, but still don't understand that I don't want to ban violent games. Hopefully you'll read this and finally get it
>And now you're chastising me for doing so
Yes, telling someone their own argument is pointless and autistic
>reaction images on an image board
Organising your reaction images into folders is autistic, sorry
>You spent the entire thread wasting everyone's time with your pedantic shitposts
And I've wasted so much times trying to explain an incredibly basic thing to you
>guy who reads an opinion 5 times and still can't understand it calls me an idiot
Incredible
>>337608630
>Not a pseudoscience
>Just a really shitty career science
Enjoy your ramen and second hand couch.
>>337608731
Also, you seem to think philosophy and psychology are the same thing.
>>337608674
I'm too lazy to write a lot, so you should just read what both of these boards have to say about it
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.x/text/Columbine%20shooters/
This is such a videogame related thread already, though
A lonely heart kills people
