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A very big reminder that Vanilla WoW is going to happen!
Lets talk about how great Vanilla will be!
BEEN THERE DONE THAT
JUST PLAY LEGION
Sunken Temple was by far the greatest dungeon of all time!
>>337415617
cant wait until ppl leave after 2 months
Can't wait to play my windfury shammy
>>337415415
wtf that map is completely wrong, doesn't even have globlins or the right layout.
>>337415832
I feel sorry for you.
>>337415832
>>337416008
me 2
>>337416008
nah that's Curse of Doom. One minute later he's dead.
>>337415415
>Playing Horde in vanilla
Enjoy your shitty ass tremor totems.
>>337415617
Legion gonna suck
>>337416008
I wonder how many people exist that don't know what to do if they see a fuckin' seizure occurring right in front of them. I chuckled the couple of times some kids just walks up and kinda pushes on his chest a little like he was doing CPR or something.
>>337416008
Loved my Tauren Shaman, but i've exhausted Vanilla content in Vanilla itself
I just want new content without some sort of instant-group party feature, cross-realm and hand-holding quests.
>>337416359
>playing alliance ever
>>337416359
Enjoy your racials i guess
Sorry you need fear ward as a crutch
Vanilla will happen after Legion is released.
>>337416359
>Binding totem
>Frost/fire resist totem
>Poison-removal totem
>All those different totems that was actually useful for the group/raid
There's a reason why Horde usually were first to complete content
>>337416687
>There's a reason why Horde usually were first to complete content
Skilled adults and non-cancer individuals rolled Horde. That's why.
>>337415415
>The Valley
>The Valley
>The Valley
>The Valley
>The Valley
Holy fuck Warcraft is a generic, shitty fantasy world. Why the fuck is it as popular as it is?
>>337416008
Did he died?
>>337416008
That's pretty sad..
>>337416846
I know this is bait but it still triggered me
>>337416901
I think so.
>>337416687
Sorry, but us Alliance players were too busy beating off to the dancing night elves in IF/SW.
>>337416687
Nigga the top guilds in vanilla were all alliance.
>>337417070
>
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Guild:Ensidia_(Tarren_Mill_EU)
>>337416484
>Fear ward
Man, i almost forgot about that despite being a big ass helper
>No more class quests
>No more race-class only skills
>No more partying it up like old times thanks to blizzard hand-holding retards
>No more one week long Alterac Valley
>No more proper pre-events before events for a patch that isn't pre-expension
>No more traveling with your bros to a dungeon
>>337416008
What's the story on this?
>>337416926
>Hurr le noble paladin medieval Europe analog
>Durr le honorable noble savage Orcs
>Herf le SUPER SCARY MONSTARS FROM BEYOND REALITY CUMMING TO KILL US!
The only unique thing in the whole franchise is the Caribbean Trolls, and they're like the least important race in the world.
>>337417242
darky is bad actor
>>337415415
Source that it's going to happen?
>>337417254
Oh yeah, and how could I forget
>EVERYTHING IS OVERDESIGNED AS FUCK AND CHUNKIER THAN DRIED SHIT
Warhammer is alright because its ridiculous overdesign goes along with its ridiculously bonkers setting, Warcraft is just lame.
>>337417375
Is not going to happen but the nost crew is going to work for blizzard.
>>337417397
>Warhammer is alright because its ridiculous overdesign goes along with its ridiculously bonkers setting, Warcraft is just lame.
At least warhammer geography isn't chunky.
>>337417242
Specifically, who knows.
Generally, you can shake a person's brain in their skull with the right angle/power in a punch. It kinda just sits in there, you know? Anyway, that's not good for it, and can cause a seizure.
That kid is experiencing a gran mal seizure. Full on, tonic/clonic, after getting decked in the head.
For the record, you roll him on his side during an episode and you call 911.
>>337417171
>2006
>friend applied to Ensidia
>got rejected
>then applied at Nintendo
>got rejected as well
>>337417461
>bitching about geography
/v/ never fail to make me laugh.
>>337417461
Warcraft's setting is literally just two bean shaped continents and an MMO DLC continent in the middle. Fucking Tamriel looks more organic than whatever they call Warcraft's planet, and it's pretty much just a parallelogram.
>>337415832
ST was my favorite as a leveling Warrior back then because it was the first chance I got to tank a big bad dragon in a group, She of Eranikus.
Made even more impactful by being a gnome.
>>337417505
>>337415832
Maraudon > ST.
>yfw they effectively removed the entire lower levels from ST in retail WoW
>>337417657
It used to be better, but it got more potato over time.
I blame WoW for needing to fit everything into neat square valleys.
If Vanilla servers do happen, what are you going to roll?
Fem Orc Fury Warrior master race here.
>>337417860
>expecting to dps as a warrior in Vanilla
>>337417860
Orc Enh Sham. Elemental every once in awhile after I get that ZG trinket.
>>337417657
>organic
What you talking about nigga look at earth, it's got a continent that looks like America
>>337417860
Female Night Elf Resto Druid~ :3c
>Alliance vs Horde shit posting
>play Alliance on Nost
>annoying autists
>roll Horde surely it will be better
>literal memes in all chats
>world chat is nothing but Trump arguing
Pick your poison
>>337417923
Warriors were the best DPS in Vanilla, followed by Rogues.
>>337417923
>le dps warriors were bad maymay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j394pECi_eI
>>337418102
>>337417923
No I didn't say they were bad I'm saying expect guilds to want you to want. All the time.
>>337416160
>>337416213
I bet you like BRD you fucking losers
>>337415856
Can't wait for the knuckledragging Nostbabies to still be bitching 8 months from now about how Blizzard is totally ignoring a gold mine and how WoW is totally going to die and how if w-we get the petition signed Metzen will HAVE to listen to us!
>>337418292
Tank*
>>337418320
>Blizzard is literally meeting with private server developers and an ex-WoW dev to discuss Vanilla servers
>>337418512
They already met and it resulted in the Nost devs announcing they wouldn't be releasing their source code.
>>337418102
>Naxxramas
>measure of Vanilla viability
You're telling me a class with a massive amount of gear did good dps?
>>337418591
DELETE THIS THEY'RE GONNA BRING VANILLA BACK AND I'LL GET BACK ALL MY CHILDHOOD JOY BY TALKING TO GOLD SELLING CHINKS WHILE I RUN MC 40 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>337418591
>They already met
try again fuccboi
>>337418591
How is your reading comprehension that bad? Oh right bait nice one roody-poo
>>337418591
1. Nostralius can no longer pay for their servers using donations, since the server host does not accept individual donations and if the Nost guys take it thats as if they're making profit from it
2. The only solution they thought up was for some magical Übermensch to pay the full price of the server hosting month per month, due on the 10th of every month. They announced this in the forums and had an open invitation for people to do it.
3. Nobody did it
4. Its literally time to pay up and they dont have the money
5. Nostralius magically gets "contacted" by English and French lawyers representing blizzard telling them to shut down their servers by the 10th. Quote: "or as long as the host lets us"
6. No images, screenshots, photos, copy-pasted text over these cease and desist "contacts"
7. Payday is up, blizzard shuts down their servers coincidentially at the same time.
8. Nost sends a sad letter to blizzard, riles up the fans, and promises to leak the source code for the servers.
9. To this day that hasnt happened. Its not like they're busy.
10. you're getting fucking played.
>>337418591
if that's true, why would they not release it?
>>337418664
Bring those goalposts back here. I'm saying that Fury Warriors did good DPS relative to every other class/spec with equally good gear.
These threads make me so happy. We know its coming and I love getting hyped up again for it.
Seems like Nostalrius gave us vanilla withdrawal syndrome. We have once again tasted the pure columbian cocaine and MUST HAVE MORE.
Fuck I want to get into world pvp shenanigans and just screw around with the other people on the server.
It's so easy to tell who the shitposting idiots that didn't play vanilla are.
>>337417923
I raided as dps warrior IN RETAIL VANILLA.
Warriors were one of the lucky classes to have 3 useful as fuck talent trees. Though deep prot wasn't that great.
Let's face it, vanilla servers will never be a thing because Blizzard is too fucking stubborn and retarded to make them a reality, all we are going to get from them meeting with the Nostalrius people is a big letter from them saying how it's not going to happen due to X reason, the only WoW you guys are going to get is either Current WoW or a shitty WotLK server that will die in 2 years.I really hope I'm wrong.
>>337418860
Because Blizzard got them into their office under the premise that they would be discussing Legacy servers, then hit them with an NDA and threats of legal action if they didn't sign it.
>>337416962
Struve deserves every loss he receives
>no flying mounts
>no dungeon maps
>no quest tooltips
>world pvp for actual fun and server noteriety
>no flying mounts
>farming for an epic mount was rough
>tradeskills weren't just another stat bonus
>quests like the gong mallet, sacrifical egg, and UBRS key set players apart from each other
>forming groups and rolling out of cities together, no auto-queue system
I mean, it was flawed, but vanilla was the single best version of wow.
>>337419015
The servers aren't going to happen because there's zero proof that people are willing to pay for it and releasing it for free is stupid business. That and Vanilla was fucking awful.
>Beta opened today
>It's complete fucking garbage as predicted
Can't wait for it to flop.
>YOU THINK YOU WANT IT, BUT YOU DON'T
>>337416448
Hey
Nothin wrong with being a Dwarf.
Dwarves are cool. Every other Alliance race sucks, though.
>>337417815
>>337415832
Original MC > Everything
>>337419094
It's a shame he can't develop a good jab. He'd be so fucking good standing at 7'.
>>337419270
I don't think he can uproot his entire style to just predominately feature jabs this late in his career. He doesn't seem like the type of fighter who can change his style on the fly.
>>337417220
But only Priest had Race-Class Only skills
>>337419175
>it's complete fucking garbage as predicted
t. Person who didn't play it.
>>337417435
Ha ha holy fuck they really won out in the end, didn't they
and the nostalrius fanbase gets fucked hard
I don't even care about Vanilla, but goddamn I miss old Org. Neo-Org is fucking terrible in pretty much every way except the zeps are in town instead of outside.
>>337419459
>It gets better at endgame!
>>337419541
Who are you quoting?
>>337419367
He doesn't need to change his entire style, he just needs to learn how to use his range so that manlet fighters like Mark Hunt can't just move inside at will.
What killed WoW for me was when they changed Alterac Valley
>huge, Elite guards in the bunkers/towers
>takes like 10 people to take them down, they will SMITE any solo attacker
>basically army against army
>devolves into limited skirmishes, Alliance turtling at their bridge, whilst the one bunker there rains down arrows of death from above
Goddamn was that ever fun. Week long AV's, you get off one day, go to school/work, get in the net day, and its the SAME AV you were in YESTERDAY, or TWO DAYS AGO
they KILLED IT, so that people could farm AV tokens/honor tokens, which they eventually abandoned
>>337419132
>no flying mounts
This is a good thing, Anon
>>337419583
People who tell me this expansion isn't garbage. Everything in the beta is more of the same shit as WoD, but now everybody is a speshul snowflake with their ashbringers and two button rotation demon hunters.
>>337419650
And I'm saying that he's not going to be able to do that at an elite level since he hasn't already
>>337419915
>People who tell me this expansion isn't garbage
Have you played the beta?
>Everything in the beta is more of the same shit as WoD
What is?
>two button rotation demon hunters
But they don't have a two button rotation, also rotations have never been difficult, even the retardation that was Feral Druid in WotLK wasn't difficult if you spent more than 10 minutes with your class.
I can't wait for Vanilla servers. Pushing Shadow Bolt and stop cast is absolutely amazing gameplay and I wish Blizzard would go back to such great gameplay mechanics.
>>337420002
Fighters evolve and adapt all the time. Good fighters do anyway.
>>337420113
someone was a shit warlock i see
>>337420081
>Have you played the beta?
Yes.
>What is?
Everything from Garrisons to no content and pruning.
>even the retardation that was Feral Druid in WotLK wasn't difficult if you spent more than 10 minutes with your class.
It was still better and more complicated than any of the current classes in Legion thanks to the retarded ability pruning.
>>337420283
>Have all that PvP gear with bonus armor
>Get jumped by a Dagger rogue
>Empowered Curse->Curse of weaknees (with talents)
>Or just be Demo in general
>Laugh at them while they tickle you
Being a Lock in Vanilla was so fun.
>>337420481
>Yes
Cool, go take a screenshot.
>Garrisons
There are no garrisons.
>no content
Got a non-hyperbole point to make here?
>pruning
Pruning has been done literally every single expansion.
>it was still better and more complicated than any of the current classes
"Not difficult" and "not difficult" are the same thing, plus WotLK's raid mechanics were far more forgiving than WoD.
>>337420481
You could have just told us you didn't play the beta anon
>>337420674
>There are no garrisons
Class halls are garrisons.
>Pruning has been done literally every single expansion
Not in Vanilla, BC, or WotLK.
>WotLK's raid mechanics were far more forgiving than WoD
You've never ever touched Sunwell or Ulduar.
Not the guy you're replying to, but you're a fucking idiot.
>>337420814
>You've never ever touched Sunwell or Ulduar.
Sunwell isn't a WotLK raid you dummy
>>337420814
>Class halls are garrisons
No profession buildings making professions obsolete, you aren't isolated from other players, you don't have to play Farmville to upgrade mandatory buildings, no raid rerolling tokens, etc. So no, not garrisons.
>Not in Vanilla, BC, or WotLK
TBC and WotLK both had ability removal, obviously Vanilla didn't because it was the first non-expansion iteration of the game.
>you've never ever touched Snuwell or Ulduar
They're objectively less difficult and mechanically intense than Heroic Archimonde.
>>337421127
>Heroic Archimonde
Heroic Archimonde is a fucking pushover and hasn't got a single difficult mechanic. My guild got him on our 8th attempt, after we wiped 31 times on Iskar. He's easier than Zakuun.
>>337421120
>Sunwell isn't a WotLK raid you dummy
It doesn't really matter because the point is to compare the older game to the newer game.
>So no, not garrisons
They're garrisons. You're isolated from other people, you play a gay little facebook game to have NPCs play the game for you. They're mandatory for progressing through the expansion. Spin it whichever way you want to, you're wrong.
>TBC and WotLK both had ability removal, obviously Vanilla didn't because it was the first non-expansion iteration of the game.
The overall complexity of the classes and abilities you had available to you went drastically up. That's the point.
>They're objectively less difficult and mechanically intense than Heroic Archimonde
The tools that individuals have in order deal with mechanics was significantly more limited. This ended up meaning that those "simpler" raids were more difficult.
>>337418102
>Literal Patchwerk fight
>basing dps on this
Nigga you are full fucking retarded.
Not to mention we had 4 mages doing double that retards dps.
>>337418892
the thing is a fury doing good DPS would die 30 secs into any fight at most except the gimmicky ones
>>337417435
>>337420113
Didn't Nost literally say that it's not happening but instead they said like "oh we made a replay tool its like da esports!!!"
>>337421680
A literal Patchwerk fight is the perfect metric to base generic, overall DPS on. Fucking idiot. Simcraft bases their rankings on what classes can pull on fucking target dummies. It's always been that way.
>>337421560
>you're isolated from other people
No you aren't, there are other people inside of it.
>you play a gay little facebook game to have NPCs play the game for you
NPCs unlock some missions for you, so no.
>they're mandatory for progressing through the expansion
No they aren't, they're there for cosmetics and for a class side story.
>the overall complexity of the classes and abilities you had available to you went drastically up
Just like now, then. Because every class went from "not difficult" to "not difficult but different".
>The tools that individuals have in order deal with mechanics was significantly more limited.
What? How?
>Those "simpler" raids were more difficult
But they weren't, which is why people were breezing through them on Nost. Don't stand in fart gas was only difficult for literal children.
>>337421805
>Didn't Nost literally say that it's not happening
No. In fact they said they're very optimistic about the future of legacy servers.
literally literally literally
>>337421820
Simcraft also said that you should max stamina as a feral druid in wrath for Ulduar.
Their "simulation dps" is always fucking retarded. It's never been a viable tool for anyone clearing current content at launch.
>>337417220
>Pre-events for an event that isn't pre-expansion.
AQ40 was the single greatest thing my guild ever did. We all banded together to farm the shit out of cloth and shit.
>>337421845
>No you aren't, there are other people inside of it.
People of your class only. That's still isolating you from a fuckload of people you would be seeing without garrisons 2.0.
>NPCs unlock some missions for you, so no.
You also play a gay little facebook game and have these NPCs play the actual game for you, just like in WoD.
>No they aren't, they're there for cosmetics and for a class side story.
They're mandatory. It's funny because before WoD came out, this exact same argument was had regarding garrisons. Shills and Blizzard were swearing that garrisons weren't mandatory. The game actually comes out and they're fucking mandatory.
>Just like now, then.
No, not just like now. Cata/MoP/WoD/Legion all pruned abilities and reduced the overall number of spells and abilities you had to work with. Class complexity has been diminishing since 2010. Classes in WotLK were so much more complex and varied than they are now.
>What? How?
Classes weren't homogenized. Every healer having a magic dispel as of Cata is a great example of homogenization that made the game worse/easier.
>But they weren't, which is why people were breezing through them on Nost
People were breezing through them on Nost because they're 12 year old raids that all have strategies datamined, the way to play your class has been figured out for you, and MC/BWL were the only raids that were available.
>>337417860
Subtlety Daggers Rogue.
>>337422089
It doesn't matter, the fact that DPS ranking is based on a Patchwerk scenario still stands.
>>337422364
>people of your class only
So you're not isolated, got it. You capitulated that point then. Look up the definition of isolation.
>You also play a gay little facebook game and have these NPCs play the actual game for you
But you don't, you press two buttons and it unlocks a mission for you, just like accepting quests.
>they're mandatory
[citation needed]
>classes weren't homogenized
You're right, they were all just extremely limited in what you were allowed to play because if you had a healing specialization, every other iteration you could have with your character was substandard. Warlocks were fucking abysmal and you couldn't have more than one, etc. "Homogenization" (which isn't true as classes all still have their own things they bring to the raid) is better than variety at the cost of balance.
>It's because of the strategy guides!
You don't need strategy guides for
>don't stand in this goop
>hit this one target
>>337422634
>You're right, they were all just extremely limited in what you were allowed to play because if you had a healing specialization, every other iteration you could have with your character was substandard. Warlocks were fucking abysmal and you couldn't have more than one, etc. "Homogenization" (which isn't true as classes all still have their own things they bring to the raid) is better than variety at the cost of balance.
You're a fucking moron. Consider the argument lost for yourself. Don't bother replying.
>>337422802
>getting blown the fuck out this hard
Wew lad, maybe you can start a petition to get the skin I just tore off your asshole grafted back on.
>>337419183
Excuse me.
>>337422905
You're right anon. Hybrid classes could only play healing specs. Warlocks were terrible and every raid only ever brought one. Having 1 semi-unique raid buff (which are completely gone in Legion) makes classes comparably unique to what they were in Wrath when they had dozens of unique abilities that set them apart.
Enjoy the rest of WoD and Legion anon! :]
>>337423419
>which are completely gone in Legion
Observably untrue.
>so asstoasted he had to take a 10 minute breather just to reinforce the fact that he lost the argument
Shaking my head.
>>337423419
>dozens of unique abilities that set them apart.
Spamming that rank 1 frost bolt sure was fun.
Love it when people shit talk others about the state of wow.
Vanilla was shit. People who actually played it know this. Most of us preferred TBC because it wasn't the stupid fucking grind fest that vanilla was.
>>337423528
>Observably untrue
And no, the raid buffs aren't becoming new active situational buffs, they're replace old situation buffs like rallying cry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3dBSHBbVo
This is some complex gameplay and class balance right here if I've ever seen it. Just look at all these intellectually superior boss mechanics. Truly more difficult that Vanilla/BC.
>all of these wrathbabbies and shills getting btfo itt
feels good lads
>Log into vanilla WoW
>All my attacks miss
>All +hit or spell pen gear requires level 60
>Talents don't change play style
>Talents are either mildly useful or terrible so everyone ends up with the same build
>Quest requires me to go to Ratchet then talk to someone in Undercity then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to someone in Ashenvale then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to a guy again in Undercity
>Travel speed extremely slow
>Mobs have slow respawn rates and low quest item drop rates
>Most dungeons are uninspired caves
>Mana costs of high level spells are so high healers cannot use them
>Gear is often bloated with useless stats for the only classes that can use an item
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
>PVE mobs barely do anything other than autoattack
>Log out of vanilla WoW
>log into warlords of draenor
>instantly hit level 100
>look around for things to do
>can't find anyone, everything worth killing dies in one hit
>cash-shop menu pops up offering pets and mounts for $25 USD
>log off, unsubscribe, uninstall
>>337425371
>try WoD during that 7 days free promotion they had last week
>at level 92 get elite quest with 3 players recommended
>solo it as a tank without needing any healing
>>337415415
someone explain.
Is WoW getting rebooted or something?
I don't understand how rebooting it would be possible, but it would finally convince me to play it.
>>337419270
i wonder how it feels to get destroyed in a fight after shit talking someone for so long
>>337415415
Oh God. I see a dinosaur clown being attacked by a bacteriophage.
>>337425452
>Level 92 elite quests
What quest was that? I don't remember any group quests until 96.
>>337425485
>Is WoW getting rebooted or something?
That's what everyone is hoping for. There's a decent chance it'll happen, but Blizzard might yet again be too retarded to seize a golden opportunity.
>>337425567
killing a talbuk it's not far from that worgen woman from cataclysm
>>337425567
There were elite group quests in every zone. I remember the one to kill that giant wasp in Shadowmoon Valley off the top of my head.
>Play on legacy WoW server
>Mobs can only have a maximum of 8 debuffs applied to them at a time
>Rogues instantly kill you if they get an opener from stealth
>Optimal damage rotation is just Shadowbolt
>Game is full of random chances to get stunned pvp comes down to RNG
>Most boss battles are almost entirely non-interactive for everyone except the tank causing each to feel the same
>Bosses are all gear checks there is no room for skill to trump gear
>Leveling comes down to autoattacking if your auto attacks miss while the enemy gets crits you die
>Talents are either things you have to take like 5% crit chance or completely useless like 5% more 5% more chance to block on a class that can't block leaving no room for unique builds
>Many specs are intentionally designed to be useless
>Talents barely change the way you play
>Items are loaded with useless stats such as cloth armor with strength and agility
>99% of players have no idea how to play the game every enhancement shaman stacks agi every hunter uses 2 handed warrior axes
>>337417860
Male orc windfury Imam/dervish shaman.
Too bad it'll be NEVER EVER
>>337415415
This is sad.
We will never progress in the vidya industry
People pick at straws to try to relive the glory days of our childhood of video games. And when they play those said games they don't get that magical feeling anymore
So they resort to remasters and HD collections.
This is fucking pathetic.
We're just going to get remasters and HD collections.
Fuck all of you.
>log into warlords of draenor
>instantly hit level 100
>game tells me what class to roll, what spec to choose, what talents to take
>look around for something to do or someone to talk to
>nothing, nobody
>can't find any reason to play the game
>log off, unsubscribe. uninstall
>millions of others follow suit
>subscriber count is lower than it's been since the first few months of Vanilla
>Blizzard stops releasing sub numbers
>wrathbabbies and shills on /v/ try to claim that this is somehow a superior game
>log into vanilla
>entire screen covered in endless tutorial messages
>log off play an actual hardcore game
>>337419015
>because Blizzard is too fucking stubborn and retarded
This describes blizzard almost as a whole. Reminder there STILL ISN'T A STRAIGHT PVP BATTLEGROUND. Reminder there STILL ISN'T A STRAIGHT PVP AREA FOR PVP WITHOUT FUCKING PVE OBJECTIVE BULLSHIT FORCED INTO IT.
Blizzard is full of stubborn assholes,and that's why I'm so hopeful for Overwatch, because the Overwatch team has shown themselves to the least blizzard-like team I've seen blizzard ever fucking have.
>>337427084
Why go into a battleground for that when you can just go to the opposing faction's capital?
>>337415415
>go on legion alpha
>talk in general chat about vanilla wow and how i used to love playing it back in the day and commented about how much the game has changed in ways i didn't like
>"who the fuck cares about vanilla"
>"lmao look at this grandpa"
>"oh look it's another 'i have played since vanilla' guy coming in with his nostalgia"
>"just play legion, fuck vanilla wow"
i swear activision blizzard has brainwashed more people than the catholic church
>>337427281
Because players don't go to their faction capitals. Orgrimmar is a ghost town.
>>337427429
Modern WoW players pull some crazy mental gymnastics where they will themselves to see Vanilla as negative to justify playing the current game.
If Vanilla was terrible, and the modern game is the complete opposite of Vanilla in every way shape and form, then the modern game must be amazing.
>>337427513
>Orgrimmar is a ghost town
Its not much compared to back when WoW was good, but this isn't too bad considering Org isn't the main city this expansion, and nobody is playing because there wont be new content for 3 months
Also there's always a lot of pvpers outside of Orgrimmar / Stormwind, and people come if an enemy raid shows up.
>>337415415
I never got to try WOW.
Will vanilla still be sub based? Or will it go free?
>>337427857
There is no Vanilla. People want it but Blizzard has basically told everyone to get fucked and buy their next shitpile instead.
>>337427964
>Blizzard has basically told everyone to get fucked
Where?
>>337427964
Hm, that is too bad. I;d really like to try it since I;ve never been able to get into MMO's so I thought maybe if they are going back to the beginning I might give WOW a shot since I always liked the other games.
>>337428235
Blizzard didn't tell anyone to fuck off. They're meeting with the Nostalrius devs in the near future and legacy servers are almost guaranteed to happen.
>>337428520
They already met you retard, they met last month. The only thing that came of it was Nost announcing they wouldn't release their source code and Blizzard posting "TLDR Fuck off" on the forums.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743584206?page=1
>>337428927
>They already met you retard
Already refuted in this very thread. >>337418767
My only question is, why lie and spread obvious misinformation to people just looking forward to playing games?
>>337429034
Mark Kern is not one of the Nost devs idiot.
>>337429187
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44031
>We saw the first official answer from J. Allen Brack on the topic of legacy servers, the petition reached 250.000 signatures, and we are currently scheduling a meeting at Blizzard campus!
They're meeting Kern and the Nost devs as one group.
>>337429187
Here's another. Do you cucks ever get tired of being repeatedly and egregiously BTFO?
>>337429615
>>337429034
>>337429187
>he's stopped replying entirely
>>337417171
Ensidia was WoTLK you fucking retard
>>337430568
Further down the page you'll find Nihilum's accolades. Nihilum was Vanilla fagface.
>>337425839
You either never played vanilla or have a terrible memory. Stop repeating the "vanilla sucked" meme to fit in with other jaded assholes.
>>337430786
I have played vanilla and on vanilla private servers that post is 100% correct
If I were trying to fit in I'd be sucking vanilla's dick
>>337425229
this is all true
yet it still managed to be more loved and enjoyable than anything blizzard can make in 2016
>>337415832
Maraudon was one of my favorites, truth be told. If only because the ugly, fungus infested tunnels opened up into a massive, beautiful waterfall.
>>337425229
>All my attacks miss
How is this a negative? Yeah, your attacks had a chance to miss, so?
>All +hit or spell pen gear requires level 60
I'll agree this was a little annoying.
>Talents don't change play style
False
>Talents are either mildly useful or terrible so everyone ends up with the same build
Partly true, but more builds were viable than people give credit. Also, the old talent trees were great.
>Quest requires me to go to Ratchet then talk to someone in Undercity then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to someone in Ashenvale then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to a guy again in Undercity
But this is a good thing.
>Travel speed extremely slow
Another good thing
>Mobs have slow respawn rates and low quest item drop rates
Not a negative in my mind. You have to work for rewards.
>Most dungeons are uninspired caves
I know a lot take place in caves, but uninspired? See Mara or BRD. And you know shit like Deadmines was great.
>Mana costs of high level spells are so high healers cannot use them
You use multiple ranks of spells given the situation. I'll agree that this is an odd mechanic though.
>Gear is often bloated with useless stats for the only classes that can use an item
This was on all classes' gear, so is it really a negative? It was just weird.
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
False
>PVE mobs barely do anything other than autoattack
They have barely changed in retail. Most mobs had one or two abilities.
>>337431564
>You have to work for rewards.
How the hell is sitting there WAITING considered "work[ing] for rewards".
>>337431718
You don't sit there and wait in Vanilla, you go out and do things. In WoD and Legion on the other hand, you sit there and wait for your rewards after sending your garrison/class hall followers out to play the game for you.
can't wait to walk for 3 hours to finish 1 quest.
>>337431816
No, you sit there waiting for respawns
You are not doing fucking shit. You're just waiting for the goddamn mobs to respawn.
>>337431718
Time is simply one more form of investment in a game. When I kill some "boss" type mob out in the world do you really expect him to respawn 10 seconds later? No, you either group up, get their first, or wait.
Besides, you never ran out of regular mobs to kill except on extremely overpopulated servers like Nost.
>>337431564
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
I won't say they define the pvp. but people on private servers often go way overboard with the gimmick items and engineering.
Undead rogues and mages with engineering, free action potions, and sleeping dust are not uncommon.
>>337431930
When it's crowded, sure. So you group up to spread the quest credit around and go about your business actually playing the game.
In WoD and Legion on the other hand, you actually, literally, and unironically sit there and wait for your rewards after sending your garrison/class hall followers out to play the game for you.
>>337431930
This only happened on Nost where many other players were doing the same quests all the time. Even then, just group up man. It's a fucking MMO.
>>337431930
How would that be any different in any other MMO though? In vanilla WoW, you would pick herbs and lotus and take them to an alchemy table in order to make flasks that you could sell for a high price or use in raids. The part where you wait for herbs to spawn is just one step.
>>337431936
And that's not working for a reward, that's waiting for your reward.
Killing lots of mobs hoping they'll drop their shitty quest item is not working for a reward.
>>337432092
Define what working in an MMO means to you then.
>>337432092
What is working for a reward, then? Video games have not reached a level of interactivity where players can literally use their hands to craft items.
>>337432193
Ignore him, he clearly prefers games where the game tells you on the map where a quest is located and then wants the quest item to drop instantly. Then he wants to fly at 400% speed back to the quest giver, get his free purple weapon, and then go up 5 levels.
>>337431564
> Also, the old talent trees were great.
You sure don't know what the fuck you're talking about, do you?
>>337432362
>get his free purple weapon
um, anon. I think you mean legendary weapon. Check your privilege nostcuck.
>>337432193
Not fucking sitting around waiting for fucking quest mobs to fucking respawn because I've killed all of them and one of them decided that it didn't have a fucking heart.
>>337432470
That's defining what working in an MMO isn't. Define what working in an MMO is.
>>337432362
>Ignore him, he clearly prefers games where the game tells you on the map where a quest is located and then wants the quest item to drop instantly.
Having god awful drops rates, like 10% at tops, on some quest items was fucking awful and
> where the game tells you on the map where a quest is located
Is fucking stupid point when everyone used thottbot all the fucking time in Vanilla and TBC, when quest addons came out those were top of the list.
>>337432437
Do you? I can name like 8 diferent builds for a paladin.
>>337432538
Working together with 9-24 other people to kill a raid boss.
>>337432437
>implying
The old talent trees gave a real sense of customization, progression, and achievement. You wanted to unlock those OP sounding talents deep in the tree. Whenever I had some time to kill or I was flying, I'd be looking at my talent trees considering which I should take and imagining myself with all these cool abilities later on. Working hard and augmenting your abilities was just flat out fun.
>>337432692
What about 19-39 other people? Vanilla has that.
Strange parameters for what you consider working though. You have to be with that specific number of people, in a raid specifically, killing a boss specifically to be considered working in your opinion?
I guess you're just retarded and your point of view can be entirely dismissed then.
>>337432613
I can name one that worked for PvE. Holy.
I can name one that worked for Mage once you were done with fire immunities. Fire.
I can name one that worked for Druids besides being an aurawhore. Restoration
I can name one that worked for Shaman. Restoration.
For Priests it was holy, maybe one shadow priest tops.
I'm amazed by the amount of choices each class could have!
>but moving around a point or two makes the build oh so much different and special!
>>337432912
See >>337432963
The only thing it actually did was give some form of "progression" for every level but that's it.
Vanilla talent tree was complete garbage. It got 10000% better in TBC when pretty much all specs became viable.
>>337432963
>le druids had to le heal maymay
you cucks never fail to make me chuckle
>>337432949
>39 people
Into the trash it goes.
>>337432949
Are you sure you're old enough to be on this website
>>337433049
I wasn't defending vanilla's trees specifically. Just the old trees in general.
>>337433146
22.
Nice argument btw.
>>337433259
So you just never aged beyond the age of 7, mentally?
>>337433146
Nice argument bro, you sure showed him!! Upvoted, my fellow Redditor!
>>337432949
>that ui
holy shit are you serious
>>337433324
epic
>>337433312
Nice argument.
>>337433351I play without UI mods
OP says that it is going to happen, but what have we heard last?
"Yeah we totally gonna talk about it... sometime"
Blizzard fucked you over, admit it. They will never start this project.
>>337433205
The thing about the talent trees was that they didn't really offer flexibility, they were always just cookie-cutter build after cookie-cutter build.
So yeah, while they gave the feeling of progression they offered nothing much beyond that.
>>337432963
Damn you like to move goalposts
>>337433390
Considering you got hung up on idiotic specifics instead of reading into the context of what I said, I can safely assume that I have no need to argue because it would be like arguing with a literal child.
>>337433476
>Damn you like to move goalposts
I've yet to move a single one, dude.
>>337415415
It looks like a man being fucked up the ass.
>>337433453
The new talents are essentially the same thing if we're talking "cookie-cut" builds though. Besides, leveling in retail is now so fast that these talents give no sense or reward or progression. Are you saying you dislike talents as a whole?
>>337433521
You're the one who resorted to semantics and set these extremely specific parameters for what you considered 'work' in a video game. You then resorted to calling me underaged when your pathetic argument got completely destroyed. All to shit on Vanilla World of Warcraft, a game that came out 12 years ago.
You sure you're old enough to be posting here?
>>337433641
> Are you saying you dislike talents as a whole?
I don't really care for skill trees one way or the other. They are just plain "progression" feeling every one level and that's that. Ultimately you'll work towards the cookie-cutter build simply because it's the best.
>The new talents are essentially the same thing if we're talking "cookie-cut" builds though.
Can't speak for WoD but in MoP you could switch around them for situational stuff on the fly.
>>337433701
I literally was saying that fucking raiding is actually working. Holy fuck, you're either literally underaged or ESL scum, either way you need to fucking leave.
>>337418892
fury warriors had a exponential curve for growth/gear in terms of dps in vanilla. You would be fighting on equal grounds/do better than rogues by the time your're at the end of AQ gearing. This is mostly due to how rage worked back then.
>>337433701
>>337433521
>>337433390
>>337433312
>>337433259
>>337433146
HUGE INTERNET FIGHT. EVERYONE COME WATCH.
>>337433593
I laughed. It's more like one of those oocoo from twilight princess being fucked with a crowbar. Nobody's dick is shaped like a Z.
>>337433701
And for the fucking record, I was talking about a very specific fucking problem with how the questing system was organized in vanilla and was criticizing the wording of a retarded anon who tried to fucking imply that fucking sitting around waiting is "work[ing] for rewards".
Literally fuck off you illiterate piece of shit child.
>>337415415
>Lets talk about how great Vanilla will be!
Yes I sure love taking 15 minutes to get a full group for a dungeon, only for someone to leave and then spend another 15 minutes to find a replacement.
>>337433770
>I literally was saying that fucking raiding is actually working
Then say that next time instead of trying to sound smarter than you actually are. Either way you're retarded and your point of view can be entirely dismissed.
>le vanilla questing wasn't work because it didn't happen in le instance!
fuck off
>>337433812
Fury Warriors competed with Rogues from Molten Core on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyEPdOFKiec
They pulled top 3 DPS on nearly every encounter.
>>337432963
>I can name one that worked for PvE. Holy.
>For Priests it was holy, maybe one shadow priest tops.
First it's one, then it's two. And you absolutely wanted a shadow priest for the debuffs, so it's not one tops, it's at least one. 15% extra shadow damage is pretty important for your warlocks. PI specs were also sometimes used. Basically, priests could use all their 3 specs in PvE, and each build had some small variations.
>>337419896
that's what he said..
>>337434090
15 minutes if you were lucky for some places and time. Not to mention people getting to the instance.
>>337417397
>Warhammer is alright because its ridiculous overdesign goes along with its ridiculously bonkers setting
Before or after age of sigmar?
>>337434150
Am I reading this right, people are doing +40k on golemagg? wat
>>337434541
It tracks overall damage done, not dps.
>>337418020
>>roll Horde surely it will be better
What on earth drew you to that conclusion?
>>337434150
>They pulled top 3 DPS on nearly every encounter.
The only fight where a warrior got to top 3 was Lucifron.
>>337434745
Most will agree that the Horde were generally more mature back in the vanilla days. He probably thought it would apply to Nost as well. That time has long passed though.
>>337434798
Count multiple Rogues as 1.
>>337434949
That's retarded.
>people care about top dps
>not just fulfilling your goals
>>337434865
Chuck Norris XD roflcopter
>>337425839
>Talents are either things you have to take like 5% crit chance or completely useless like 5% more 5% more chance to block on a class that can't block leaving no room for unique builds
this is the dumbest thing i've heard from a legion fanboy yet.
>>337435147
Memes from a more civilized age
>>337435104
No it's not. Why would you count the same class multiple times?
If that raid had 20 rogues in it and they were all doing more damage than the Warrior, would Warriors be the 21st best DPS class in the game? No. Rogues outperformed Warriors so multiple Rogues will be ahead of one Warrior. Warriors are still the 2nd/3rd best DPS in the game.
>>337434259
>First it's one, then it's two.
Yes, you want a debuff machine that would be completely shit if it weren't for the debuff. Hardly a viable spec at that point.
>>337434150
First, im genuinely surprised that he is doing that well as a warrior, i suppose since its a "second" run people know better this time around. I did most of the things he did, lots of leather and mail replacements for higher crit value and AP.
That being said, is a pug, i don't know the relative gear levels of the rest of the group, i do know that even the best guilds on my server didnt run dedicated dps warriors seriously until late BWL into AQ.
Most my raiding time i was considered hybrid offtank, in the 10's for dps in dps leather and mail, could switch to shield and plate for tanking encounters.
The nost team will not be hired by blizzard.
There will never be vanilla servers.
Sorry boys but it's true
>>337435554
source?
>>337435583
Source, I'm a software developer
>>337435276
>would Warriors be the 21st best DPS class in the game?
Now you're making a completely different argument.
And if you had 20 rogues in the raid dealing better damage than a warrior, that would mean that warrior would be a pretty shitty dps class compared to rogue, considering all 20 rogues are outdps'ing it. "2nd/3rd best dps" doesn't mean much if you're heavily outdamaged by another class, especially when you only have 5 dps classes in the raid, one whose dps suffers a lot in several encounters because of decursing (mages) and one which simply sucks (hunter).
>>337435947
>Now you're making a completely different argument.
No I'm not. I said Warriors were a top 3 DPS class. You said "nuh uh! there were 3 rogues in the top 3 dps!". And then I told you why that's irrelevant when determining individual class/spec DPS rankings.
>that would mean that warrior would be a pretty shitty dps class compared to rogue, considering all 20 rogues are outdps'ing it
It would simply mean that Rogues are better DPS, but warriors are still 2nd/3rd.
You decided to miss the point entirely for the sake of shitposting.
>>337436194
You claimed that warriors competed with rogues. Being 2nd/3rd best dps class isn't competing, if that class is way behind the one that is 1st.
If you let Usain Bolt and a bunch of fat neckbeards from /v/ race, would you say that the neckbeard who came in 2nd was competing with Usain Bolt, if his time for 100 metres was 35.1 seconds?
>>337436432
>You claimed that warriors competed with rogues
And they did. That Warrior outdps'd several Rogues on each encounter. That and overall damage done between Rogues and Warriors was always very close.
>>337416962
Lanklets, when will they learn?
>rogue is the meme class in Vanilla
c-can we have TBC instead
>>337436829
>>337436572
>That Warrior outdps'd several Rogues on each encounter.
The existence of bad rogues who afk or die on fights being outdamaged by a warrior doesn't make warrior as a class compete with rogues. Your arguments are getting more and more retarded.
>That and overall damage done between Rogues and Warriors was always very close.
Try taking a look at how much damage the top rogue and how much the top warrior do in the fights. The top rogue does 24% (Lucifron), 43% (Magmadar), 59% (Gehennas), 37% (Garr) more damage than the top warrior. They are way behind rogues.
>>337436918
Glad that jumpy homosexual got rekt.
>>337437235
fag
>>337437272
He's goddamn wobbly like Eddie from Tekken 3
>>337437114
>The existence of bad rogues
For all we know, the Warriors might be bad. The fact still stands that Warriors went toe to toe with Rogues on the DPS meters in MC. That's the definition of being competitive with something.
>They are way behind rogues.
That Rogue might be super geared. Either way, Warriors are still competitive.
>>337437375
>>337418934
I wish i could like games again
>>337437408
what would a competitive raid setup even look like? every warrior weapon gets DEd because the only warriors are tanks and the 20 rogues can't use axes?
>>337438082
>what would a competitive raid setup even look like?
>>337432949
>>337419160
>there's zero proof that people are willing to pay for it
There's no possible way for people to prove they would pay for it though, other than for Blizzard to release it and test the market. "No one would pay for it" is the perfect justification Blizzard can use to never do it, because there's no way for the playerbase to prove otherwise.
>>337437408
>For all we know, the Warriors might be bad.
Prove it.
>The fact still stands that Warriors went toe to toe with Rogues on the DPS meters in MC
>The top rogue does 24% (Lucifron), 43% (Magmadar), 59% (Gehennas), 37% (Garr) more damage than the top warrior.
Again, that's not toe to toe. That's utter defeat.
>That Rogue might be super geared
There's a different rogue at the top of the damage meters on all 3 first bosses. Your claim would have to be "the 3 rogues are super geared compared to the warriors", which is honestly silly.
>>337438386
I claimed Warriors were a top 3 dps class. I was right. I claimed Warriors were competitive with Rogues. I was right.
No point in arguing further.
